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#059_ STORY INSPIRE: Luke Grimes: Acting, Music, Hollywood, and the Journey Behind the Scenes · INSPIRE STORY

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: All day.
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  Speaker 2: This is a real deal.
• 0:14
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I've been watching your show for years.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are we rolling, Jamie? All right, beautiful. I love your
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: fucking show. It's great. Oh, thanks, man. It's really awesome, man. Well,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched Marshalls yet. Is it out now? It is.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: When did it come out?
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: March 1st. Oh, okay. So they just had the second
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: episode air.
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  Speaker 1: I like to binge, man. I like to wait. Wait
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Stay offline. I like to sit down
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: and binge them.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Yellowstone is fucking awesome. It's such a great show.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: Did you have any idea it was going to be
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: what it is? Not, no.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody did. I thought it would find
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: an audience for sure. I mean, Taylor was really, you know,
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: hot at the time. He'd been nominated for Oscars and
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: I was kind of like, surprised he was even writing
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: a television show he was just like so hot in
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: the film business.
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  Speaker 1: How the fuck does that guy even sleep i don't
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: know man where does he have the time every time
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: i look in the news or there's a new show
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  Speaker 1: that he's doing a new thing he's doing is like
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: how are you doing all this.
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  Speaker 2: It's impressive you know i feel like there's a lot
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: of people i've worked with where they do things that
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: are impressive but his is impossible right You know, like,
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  Speaker 2: someone would be like, could you direct a movie as
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: good as Unforgiven?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe. Maybe if I.
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  Speaker 2: Tried real hard. Like, could you write 10 television shows single-handedly?
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  Speaker 1: No. No way. Not possible. He directed Unforgiven?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like, people that I look up
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  Speaker 2: to that I'm impressed by. It's like his is a
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  Speaker 2: different level.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: His is like, it's like impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Who did direct Unforgiven?
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  Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood.
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time. It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best. Yeah. It's like, you know what it
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  Speaker 1: was like to me? It was like he was making
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  Speaker 1: up for all the silly Westerns and was like, let
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  Speaker 1: me show you what it was probably really like. Yeah.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: What was really like when a man was about to
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  Speaker 1: get shot? What was really like when a dude was
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  Speaker 1: a stone cold killer? What was it really like the
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  Speaker 1: hardships of living back then?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting too, because he starts out kind of
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: a loser.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Those first, you know, like the first three quarters of
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  Speaker 2: the movie, he's this sort of timid, guy who's lost
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  Speaker 2: his power you know and then he takes that one
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  Speaker 2: sip of whiskey and it's all over for everybody else
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  Speaker 2: it's a crazy premise.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a good movie it's such a good fucking
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  Speaker 1: movie man but yeah Taylor is a he's a real
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  Speaker 1: freak and there's not a lot of humans like him
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  Speaker 1: and it's his background story so interesting you know like
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  Speaker 1: he was just kind of scrambling around till he was
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: almost like 40 yeah It's like.
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  Speaker 2: A real-life Rocky story or something, like rags to riches,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I know, man. I guess that's why he has so
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: much ambition because he knows what it's like to be poor.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He knows what it's like to barely make it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden he's got a kid on
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  Speaker 1: the way, and he's like, oh, shit, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: buckle down and really get moving. He kept his foot
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  Speaker 1: on the gas.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Do you guys keep in touch?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: His buddies?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I love Taylor, man. I love him. He's an awesome dude.
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  Speaker 1: I just worry about him. You do so much. Don't
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  Speaker 1: have a fucking heart attack, man. Don't go crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's weird is he does have a good time, too.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family
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  Speaker 2: or friends. That's the craziest thing to me is the
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  Speaker 2: guy has a really fun life and is able to
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  Speaker 2: do all that. I guess the moral of the story
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  Speaker 2: is don't play golf. That'll take up all your time.
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  Speaker 1: No shit, man. Tell that to Jamie. If I can
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  Speaker 1: get out once a week, it's great. It's hard. He's
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  Speaker 1: an addict. Jamie's an addict. He's got a simulator back there.
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  Speaker 1: He's always whacking golf balls. Yeah, all my friends are
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: trying to get me to play. I'm like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: doing it, man. That's a six-hour commitment. Fuck off.
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  Speaker 2: No, man. The amount of time it takes to get
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  Speaker 2: good enough that it's not the worst thing ever is
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  Speaker 2: too much time.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And my problem is I'm an addict. Like when
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  Speaker 1: I start doing things, I just start like, okay. I
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  Speaker 1: need to play in the PGA. I start going crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start getting lessons and fuck that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it. We need your show, man.
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  Speaker 1: We need you. Well, I'm never doing it. We can
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  Speaker 1: do both. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We
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  Speaker 1: can try it. We can try it. Try it out. No,
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  Speaker 1: I know all my friends who play fucking love it.
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  Speaker 1: Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out every day.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's too much, man. I can't do it. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can't play golf and do what Taylor's doing. That's
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  Speaker 1: for damn sure. No way. How the fuck is Trump
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  Speaker 1: doing it? He's in the middle of everything. He's always
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  Speaker 1: playing golf.
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  Speaker 2: But that's sort of the criticism, right? He's playing too
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  Speaker 2: much golf and not running the country enough.
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  Speaker 1: But don't they say that about every president?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president.
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  Speaker 1: You have to play golf. Don't they all do it?
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  Speaker 2: I guess so.
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  Speaker 1: It's like one of those weird businessmen things. They make
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  Speaker 1: deals out there. They have a couple of cocktails. They
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  Speaker 1: talk a little shit.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Do a bump. Not my thing. Make some deals.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't– I don't know. Something about being on
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  Speaker 2: like a manicured lawn. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather be out in the middle of nowhere. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure I'd love it. I'm sure, which is why I
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  Speaker 1: don't do it. But I play pool, and I'm addicted
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  Speaker 1: to pool. Like I play pool all the time. It's
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  Speaker 1: a real problem. When I lived in New York, I
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  Speaker 1: was playing like eight hours a day. I was playing
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  Speaker 1: in tournaments. I was traveling around. I was like I
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  Speaker 1: can't get another thing like that in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Are you done playing pool?
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  Speaker 1: No, I play all the time. Oh, okay. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: you can play pool for like a couple hours and stop.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll try that.
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  Speaker 1: Pool's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like real pool, like tournament pool, you know, like competitive,
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  Speaker 1: like real tournament pool. It's legit. But it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: another thing. It'll get in your blood and then you'll
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  Speaker 1: be thinking about it all the time and watching videos
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  Speaker 1: and taking lessons.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready for something though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not golf. Pool sounds like.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have music and you have acting. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: that's got to be kind of hard to manage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult. And I have an 18-month-old
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  Speaker 2: in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: So no sleep?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting there. The music thing is sort of,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of nice because there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: pressure on it. For me, I have a day job.
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  Speaker 2: I have this thing that supports my family. And the
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  Speaker 2: music I can do to my passion level, And I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't do it to the point where I'm away from
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  Speaker 2: my family too much. I like making the music. Touring
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  Speaker 2: is kind of hard, and it's also new for me.
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  Speaker 2: So learning how to do that at 40 was kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting. I feel like in my 20s, that would
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  Speaker 2: have been the most fun ever. Sleeping on a bus
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  Speaker 2: with 12 dudes and just going from city to city
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  Speaker 2: and drinking backstage and playing country music. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been a blast, but I'm too old for that. To
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  Speaker 2: do that the right way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you tour, do you go out or do
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  Speaker 1: you do like a weekend and then come back?
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  Speaker 2: When you're on a full-blown tour, the way that it
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  Speaker 2: financially works the best is to just stay kind of going.
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  Speaker 2: So you're doing like three shows like Thursday, Friday, Saturday
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  Speaker 2: because you've got the bus rented. You've got all the
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  Speaker 2: equipment rented. You've got the guys on salary. So you
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  Speaker 2: just have to keep going. It's actually really hard for
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  Speaker 2: it to pencil out when you're just doing a show
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  Speaker 2: here and there.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, stand-up comedy is so much easier in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour. I did
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  Speaker 1: it with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron. We did this
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  Speaker 1: Bud Light Maxim tour back in 2007, and we did
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  Speaker 1: like 22 dates in a month. And so it was
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  Speaker 1: like I would wake up, and I wouldn't know where
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  Speaker 1: I was. I'd look at the ceiling. I'm like, where
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  Speaker 1: the fuck am I? I would have to think. Oh, Columbus.
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  Speaker 1: I'd have to go through my head and figure out
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  Speaker 1: where I am when I woke up.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: Was there ever a period of stage fright when you
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  Speaker 2: started doing stand-up?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. The first day. I was more
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  Speaker 1: afraid the first time I got on stage than I
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  Speaker 1: was the first time I fought. It was nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, why am I so nervous? I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about chickening out. I was thinking about not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I do that every time I play a music show, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, can I just call it off?
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: Do you still get stage fright right now?
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  Speaker 2: Really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, man. I'd always played music. And
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  Speaker 2: when I was playing in bands and playing out, I
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: was the drummer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: But I always wrote songs and stuff. But I never thought,
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  Speaker 2: I had never had ambition around, like, I want to
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  Speaker 2: be the guy in front of the microphone. That was never,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the plan.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know.
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  Speaker 2: To be able to make an album, which I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do, you have to go stand in front of
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  Speaker 2: the microphone. And that's the hard part for me. I
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  Speaker 2: love being in the studio. I love writing the songs.
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  Speaker 2: I love making the music, recording the music. But there's
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: something about knowing that all these people have shown up
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  Speaker 2: and bought a ticket to see you. And you're like,
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden this thing starts happening in me.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: They bought a ticket. Imposter syndrome. You're not good enough
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  Speaker 2: for them to have spent their money. It's just this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. And it's like, dude, shut up. I know
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: it's going to be okay, but it doesn't matter. Every
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: time I still get a little bit of the, you know.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: I think everybody who's sane gets imposter syndrome. Yeah? Yeah.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody that I've talked to that's sane. It's like the
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: really kooky ones. I don't think Kanye's ever gotten imposter syndrome.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm going to be, also,
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: he's a genius. But it's like the ones who are sane,
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Like none of it makes
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  Speaker 1: any sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I get it in droves and way more for
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: the music than the acting. But again, I've been acting
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: in film and TV for over 20 years now.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: When did you first get on stage to sing? How
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: old were you?
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: The very first show I played, I was 39.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: Like I had done karaoke before, right? But, you know,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: it kind of came about in the weirdest way. I
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: literally was on set one day and get a call
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  Speaker 2: out of the blue from this manager, this music manager,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Graham, who's a great manager and a really good
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine. But he called and said, hey. I
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: know you don't know who I am, but I know
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: that you're a musician and, you know, I love Yellowstone.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: I love you in that show. Is that something that
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: you would want to take seriously? And I was like, like,
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: what does that mean? He's like, I bet I could
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: get you a record deal. And I was like, no, man,
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: that's no, no, I don't want to do that. And
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: we talked for two years. And over the course of
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: the two years, I really started to trust him. He
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: sort of like explained to me what, you know, what
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: would be required. And, Long story short, my father passed
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: away somewhere in there. And sort of one of the
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: last things he sort of conveyed to me was like,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: if there's anything you want to do while you're here,
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: do it. And something about that moment, I was like,
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to fucking do it. I don't care.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor
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  Speaker 2: who made a goofy album.
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  Speaker 1: So what?
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: I got to do it. So I did. And then
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: immediately it's like, well, now you have to go tour it. Otherwise...
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to put up the money for you
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  Speaker 2: to make these things if you don't go sell it.
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  Speaker 2: So the tour is sort of to get the music
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: out there and get people buying it. And so, yeah,
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: first show, it was in Billings, Montana for I think
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  Speaker 2: it was 1,200 people.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: This place called, I think it was Pub Station.
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  Speaker 1: What was that like first time doing it? Dude.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I blacked out. Like not drinking. Like I just blacked
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: out on nerves, dude.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: Like it, you know, it started, my knees were shaking,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: my hands were shaking. This is before I knew about
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: like beta blockers or anything like that. And I, the
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: show was over and I was like, how was, was
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: that okay? How, how'd that go? And I was like,
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: it was good. You know, it was good. I was fine.
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: The fourth show I ever played was stage coach.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, that's nuts.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. I mean, it was earlier in the day.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like I had, you know, a hundred thousand
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: people out there, but still that's a big stage.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: That's a big stage.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, so– but, you know, little by little it
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: got somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kind
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: of– I know where I'm at and I'm there. But
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: it's still something I deal with.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: front of people was like 20,000 people. That's insane. It's
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: so nuts.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: That's insane.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it like that? It was huge, right? It was
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: like– it was a gigantic crowd. I don't think I'm exaggerating.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Because he got really famous before he ever went on tour.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: That one song, Richmond, North of Richmond, that song instantly
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  Speaker 1: made him famous.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: He wrote a rocket, dude. That rarely happens. Few people
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: know that feeling. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 1: He was freaking out. I became friends with him right
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: when it was happening because he was a little lost.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: And he said a bunch of people, I go, let's talk.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: So we got on the phone. It was before he
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: had gotten a ton of record deals and all these
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: different people were saying, hey, sign with me. We'll give
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: you X amount of money in advance. I go, don't
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: sign nothing. And he was like, everybody's telling me that
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: I got to strike while the iron's hot. I go, no, no, no, no, no.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I go, dude, you got talent. I go, you got
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  Speaker 1: real talent. You're always going to have talent. It's just
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: a matter of putting in the work and you're going
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: to be huge. You don't need these people. These people
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: are all vampires. They're all just trying to suck on
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: your neck. Don't let them. Don't let them. Thank God
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: he listened. Because he was getting offers like $ 7 million
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: and shit. And he was a fucking heavy equipment salesman.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: And so then all of a sudden, he's like, what
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? One song with him and
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: a guitar just standing in a field. And that's all
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  Speaker 1: it took.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. I mean, it's how it should be, right?
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: I have the complete opposite story. My story is not
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor and
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I got a record deal for no reason.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: to do it because you're interested in that too. Like
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: you can do anything you want to do. Like just
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do it.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: But I think, you know, a lot of the thing
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: with music is the story of the person. So I
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: knew going in, like I don't have story i i
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: i do come from nothing and i did work my
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: ass off to become an actor and all that but
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: you know the my way into the music was a
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: little wonky but well.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: prove to people that you're legit you know because you
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: have this thing over your head where they're like fuck
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: that pretty boy motherfucker tv star motherfucker fuck that dude
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck Casey Dutton.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: There we go. So the music's going to have to
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: be good enough.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: That's just sort of the thing.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: That's all it is. It just will force you to
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: work harder. But it's just everybody's story is different. That's
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: what makes it fun. If everybody had the same story,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right?
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: You've done that.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been super lucky, you know. I'm just lucky
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that there's a job for all these things I like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: you know. There wasn't. Well, there wasn't for this one. Yeah.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: This one, there was other people doing it already, but
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a job for the longest time. It's kind
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: of a fun story that me and my wife always
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: joke around about because, like, one time she was taking
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: the kid. We were all supposed to go to Disneyland,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: but I had to do this podcast. She was like,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: you don't have to do it. I go, but I do.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I do it every week. But it wasn't really making
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: any money back then. But I was like, I promise
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: people will be out. Like, I got to do it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: And now she's like, thank God you didn't listen to me. Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: It's just, I mean, I got lucky. I came in
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: right at the right time. There was only a few
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: people doing it back then. And I just did it
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: for fun. I just thought that would be fun to do. Yeah.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it became a job. Yeah.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And with the UFC stuff too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That too. That was fun too.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Did you think that would become what it became?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: No. When I first started doing it was in 1997.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And it was in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And we had to take a propeller plane to get there.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: And it was banned from cable. So you could only
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: watch it on direct TV. This is UFC 12. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: there was no one in the audience and no one
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: was watching it. And I was already on a TV show.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: It was on news radio. And the people on news radio,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the actors and the producers, they're like, what are you doing?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: You're flying to go do cage fighting? It was almost
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: like I was doing porn. Or fucking snuff films or something.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're going to ruin your life doing this.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what you guys are
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: talking about. This is what I've always wanted to see.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: of different styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: guys are doing it. I'm going to go. Yeah. Like,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I remember renting the, like, first few from Blockbuster.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: It was the best. It was like Bloodsport back then.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, it changed my life. I got UFC
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: 2 was the first one. The first one wasn't available.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: You had to get 2 was the only one. And
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: it was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: of mine who told me about it. He's like, dude,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: you got to see this thing, man. He goes, they
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: got these guys. They're fighting in a cage. And this
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: one dude's just choking everybody. And he's wearing a gi.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, really? What is it? And then I
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: watched it. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. I was
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: hooked like right away. I was like, they fucking did it.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: They actually did it. Cause like when I was a kid,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: everybody thought that what they were, if you did karate,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you thought karate was the best. If you thought judo,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: what was the most effective martial art. Cause nobody had
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: ever put together anything like the UFC. Right. So once
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: part of my life. I was like, I'm not going
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to not do this just cause it's bad for my
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: acting career. I'm like, if my acting career goes away,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I don't, Whatever. I'm only doing this for money anyway.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll just figure it out.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: You were the only person in L.A. with that mentality,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: by the way. That really served you well.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't supposed to be in L.A. I mean,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I only came to L.A. for money. And I would
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: have moved back. I was living in New York, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I did a show called Hardball, and that got canceled.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And the only reason why I stayed is because I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: got a lease on an apartment. I was fully ready
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to get out of there. I was like, I got
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to get the fuck out of this place. I hated it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and casting agents. I was like, these people are so fake.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I was used to being around fighters and comedians and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: pool players, like the rawest, funniest, like outcasts of society.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Like those are my people. I was used to like
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: each other and, Everybody had a great sense of humor,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: around these people that like all had these like predetermined
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: things that they thought they should say. So they would
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: say them, you know, and everybody had like, it was
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: all group think it was like, Oh, this is fucking horrible.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I always say that felt like when I lived
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in LA, I lived in LA for 16 years and,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and you know, I don't want to complain about it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I was obviously good to me. Like it helped my
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: life quite a bit, but it always felt like, Everybody
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: was trying to become the same person.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: But they don't know who that person is. I'm like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: can you just tell me who the person is so
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I can– you know what I mean? There's like a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: memo that went out that I didn't get or something.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And they were just– it was all dependent upon what
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So everybody would sort of adapt. Like whenever you got
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a good sign. Like something has gone wrong. And everybody
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: has these progressive left-wing politics, regardless of whether or not
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: any of their positions make sense. They all just sort
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: of spit it out.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just that there is sort of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a desperation that gets bred from– I mean these people
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: left their families. They moved away. They left everything they've
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: security and love to follow this dream. And so that
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: dream becomes more and more and more important. You need
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it more and more because now you have nothing else.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: You've given everything else up. And so I think at
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that point you can sort of mold people into.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Whatever you'd like them to be. Oh, for sure. It
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: ruins comics. Yeah. Because when comics start doing well, as
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: soon as they start getting on television, the first thing
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: they start doing is tempering their material. They tone it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: anything that can get you in trouble.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: You know, generally those are the funniest things. The funniest
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: things are the things that could go terribly wrong, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and get you in trouble. So they do that and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: then just, you know, they become like an, I always
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: call it the velvet prison because you get locked into
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that velvet prison. You get, you get on TV, you get,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: get money, but also you become just one of everybody else. Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's hard, it's hard not to do. I mean, I'm,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: that's where I'm at, you know, I still have a boss.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You know, My checks are written by a very specific
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: little bit. I don't want to do that to you
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and sit here and, like, police myself the whole time.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: But I got to be like, just don't say this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: come in here and I could see it in their face. Like,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: please don't bring up anything crazy. No trans talk. Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: For sure, dude. Let's stay away from that today.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean people– I mean it's a tricky situation.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And the thing about LA too is everybody has to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: get picked for stuff. It's not– like even like music.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like especially– look at Oliver Anthony. No music deal, no nothing.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Just put something on YouTube. Blows up. That's a real–
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in this day and age, that's a real thing. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in acting, it's still– you have to get chosen. You
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: have to get cast for something. And just that weird
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: thing alone where you're going into this thing and these
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: people have to approve you. And most of the people
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that get involved in acting in the first place, a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: large percentage of them, they did it because they didn't
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: get enough attention when they were younger. And this is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like they just want to make up for it. Well,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that's why I became a comedian, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: for sure. It's all the same kind of mindset. Like
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: there's something about you that wants to be famous, right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Unless you're like, someone who's just in love with the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: craft of acting, you know? Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Which, how could you be when, you know, I made
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the decision that I wanted to be an actor when
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I was like five years old.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what the craft of acting was. My
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: thing though, honestly, was I loved movies so much. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: think I just, because I, I, I liked them more
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: than my life. You know, I wanted to live in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the movie. I didn't know what making them would actually
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: be like. I didn't know what that career looked like.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what acting was. But I would go
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to the movie theater and want to be in it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And I'd also see the guy. And I don't know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: whatever the skill set was, I was like, whatever they're doing,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I think I can do that. I think I have
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: whatever that is. And, you know, thank God I was
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: at least somewhat right or I'd be waiting tables in L.A.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Right now. Well, it's an interesting thing, right? Because it's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life, right?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Like you're pretending. But you're acting and behaving in a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: way that people do act and behave. Like that's the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: key to it. It has to be believable. Yeah. So
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: most people watch it go, I can do that. Like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: this is normal life. They're just acting.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They're in normal life. Right.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But what you don't realize is that there's like a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: dude with a beard with a microphone in your face
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and 200 people standing around waiting for you to be
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: done so.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: They can do their job again. Sipping coffee, shaking their
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: head at their lot. Then if you fuck up a line, like, oh, Jesus.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Fucking guy.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Fucking unprofessional. Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's a weird gig, man. It's a weird gig. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it's not what most people think it is. And you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: could tell that by like the masters, the real masters. Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You know, when you see like Daniel Day-Lewis do it,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: That's a fucking totally different thing. Right. This guy's in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: some weird place where Gary Oldman becomes a different person
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: every movie and you believe it. Yeah. That's the real
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: craft of it, right? Where like I fucking know that's
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Gary Oldman, right? But he's different and now he's Dracula
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and I believe it? He's amazing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Both of those guys are amazing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You ever watch that show Slow Horses? I love it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It's a fucking great show, right? Yeah, it's really good.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I have a hook. Somebody told me about it, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I was a little skeptical at first. I was like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And you never see a lead, your number one, being
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a total piece of shit.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Right. Total piece of shit. Except Tony Soprano.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a weird show, right? A guy was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a murderer and a thief, and you love him.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You loved him. He was so good.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's another guy. Gandolfini man you fucking believed.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Him and there wasn't acting like that in television yet
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: no that was like the first of its kind yeah
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and even within that show he was doing something no
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: one else was doing right and that's hard to that's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: hard to keep up for you know you can if
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you do it for a film you're doing it for
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a couple months you know at that at that level
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of intensity but to do that for seven years for
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: months and months at a time is impossible well.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: There was a danger in his eyes Like a real danger.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Like there's something about that dude. That dude's got, or
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: while he was alive, he had demons in his brain.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Like you could tell.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Like there was moments, these menacing moments where he was
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like threatening someone or doing something. You're like, that's coming
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: from a real place. Right. That guy, you know, there's
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: some guys who play tough guys in movies. Like I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: not buying it. But with that guy, you're like. Oh, okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: This guy could kill somebody.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You don't want to piss him off in real life.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Well, he's also out of fucking control. You know, have
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you ever seen the list of the things that he
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: consumed before he died?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I have seen that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's bananas.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was just off the rails. Crazy. He
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: was out of his fucking mind.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the Hunter S. Thompson one?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. We narrated it. We read it. And then
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this guy, what was the dude? What's the guy's name
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that turned it into a song? There's a dance song,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like an electric music dance song.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons. We're reading off
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Hunter S. Thompson's, like, his daily routine. Beardy Man. Beardy Man, yeah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Beardy Man. It's pretty dope. Play it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Fuck it. Can we? Are we getting in trouble?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Can isn't the right word to ask.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We can. What would happen?
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: We lose revenue changes and stuff like that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, 100%.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Don't play it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'll listen to it after.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah. Well, I'll send it to you. But it's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a bananas routine. And at the end of his life,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I'm a giant Hunter S. Thompson fan, as you can tell,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: walking through all the artwork. But at the end of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: his life, he couldn't even talk. He did an appearance
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: once on Conan O'Brien. And to me, it was one
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of the saddest things. He could barely understand what he
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was saying. Yeah. He's just mumbling, and when he was young,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and it's just drugs. Just drugs and booze just cooked
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: his brain.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I've
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: never read any of his stuff. Really?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. Oh, just read, just start off with
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Fear and Loathing.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a, he got
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: an assignment to cover, I think it was a motorcycle race.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That was the job. So I think it was for
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrator or something like that. He got a job
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to just cover a race. And he goes down there
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and just brings every kind of fucking drug known to man,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and just writes this insane book. It's completely insane. It
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with this motorcycle race. It's just
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: all about the chaos of being out of your fucking
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: mind in Vegas. And it's brilliant. It's so good.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Check it out. Do you like Vegas?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm there a lot for fights. And when
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I go, we go to a restaurant. I go play pool.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I go to the fights. I don't do anything else.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So it's like but there's something about it where I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: ever every time I go there, I'm like, can I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: live here? Like I was actually talking to my friend
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend. We were just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: there for the fights. And I was saying like what
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: if– because Kill Tony is this gigantic show now. It's huge.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He sells out arenas all over the country with it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's on Netflix. And I was saying like what if
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Do you think you could ever live here? And we
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: were just sitting there. He's like, I don't know. I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think I could do it either.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Because I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire. Like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: even if you know that the vampire's in the other
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: room he's not going to bite your neck.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, he's right there.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's good for you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Vegas to me is like, you know when you have
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a big night out on a certain type of booze
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and you get sick? And then anytime you drink that
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: booze after that, that's Vegas to me.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Anytime I land in Vegas, I'm like, oh, I just
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: feel gross. Because I remember the last time I was
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: there or the first time.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the people that live outside of Vegas,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like people live in Henderson and places like that, they
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: love it because it's really nice out there. Like you
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: go out to the outskirts of Vegas, there's beautiful neighborhoods
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It's nice. But you're still next to the Death Star.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: money out of them.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I've never been off the strip. Maybe I should try
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that out.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. There's great restaurants and great neighborhoods. It's fine outside.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But the reason why they're there is because of the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Death Star. That's what brings everybody there. Everybody's there to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just lose all their money.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, make really bad decisions.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: All my friends who gamble, when I would go there
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with them, I'd go, look at this place. See how
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: big it is? How do you think they got that money?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Suckers like you. This isn't like a fair exchange. Like
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they're giving you goods and you're giving them money. No,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this is like they're giving you this crazy proposition where
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you think you're going to play blackjack and win a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: billion dollars. And if you win too much money, they
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: kick you out.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Did you ever gamble?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. Not really. I mean, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: bet some money on fights. I've played blackjack a few times,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: but I've never lost any real money. But my friend
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate. Like a crazy degenerate.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I heard. I went to visit him recently.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So he was at Red Rocks Casino. And a couple
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of my other buddies were there. So we showed up
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and went into the blackjack room and he was there.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And when I got there, he was down $ 600, 000. When
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I got there. And it was a normal night for him.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And he wasn't even nervous. He was like, hey, what's up?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, shake my hand. Give me a hug. All
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: these other people are there. And I got fucking massive anxiety.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy. How are you? And
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: then so him and Jamie was there too. And him
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and Taylor Luan, the football player, he coaches Taylor how
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to play blackjack. And so they got together. He tells
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: them when to hit and when not to hit. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: they did it right next to us. Within five minutes,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Taylor was down $ 125, 000. Jesus. I was like, what are
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you doing? Oh, man.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That makes me nervous just thinking about it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: He got up, and then they quit. So he quit ahead.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I think he won like $ 100, 000, and then he quit.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: You have to move on the backer out because you
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: can bet more per hand.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: That's what they're doing now? Yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: It's like up to $ 500, 000 per hand or something like that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Which one's Baccarat?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: How do you play that?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I've tried to watch it. I don't really quite understand.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It's apparently not hard. You're betting on the dealer or
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: the player.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Is that the big long table with all the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: It's not as long as roulette.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So Dana's on to that now or Taylor?
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I think that room they switched them all to Baccarat.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: So you can gamble more? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely more faster.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: He's mainlining the gamble now.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: He told a story on– I think it was– was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it Flagrant? It was Flagrant where he talked about losing
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like $ 6 million in one night. Yeah, what? Yeah. That's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: my theory about slap fight, why they're doing slap fight.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's Dana's gambling money. That's what I think.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's like it needs some source of revenue
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: outside of the UFC so it doesn't lose its UFC money.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's tough to watch, man. I don't watch it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of clips.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Dana. I know you. But it's tough to watch.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: People getting brain damage over and over again.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my thing. I don't get it. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: It's not a good thing.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Not good.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They call it fights, too. Like, okay. I mean,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I guess. You should come up with another name. It's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: kind of insulting to an actual fight. Right. But that's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: my theory. That's his gambling money. Because that fucking dude gambles.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Because I asked him once, I go, you like living here?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: He goes, I love the action. I'm like, okay. He's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, but he's a different person
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: than me.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not, that's not me.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And even then, I don't think I could do it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Because we've talked about, you know, we have a comedy
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: club in town, the Comedy Mothership. And we talked about
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: doing another mothership somewhere. And the two most likely places
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that we would be able to do it are New
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: York and Vegas. So we talked about doing one in Vegas,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but I was like, man, the only way it would
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: work is I'd have to be there a lot. Like
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: we'd have to be there a lot and we'd have to,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we'd have to make sure that it's run right.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: That let's like run with the same vibe that we
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: run it here where everybody's cool. There's no assholes. Everybody's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: real friendly and real supportive of new comedians. And then
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. Right. This is.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: your teeth or something? Is that where you started?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I started in Boston, but I did
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in New York. New York
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: would be a better option really because there's a lot
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: more talent there. And in order to have a really
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: good comedy club, you, you can't, you can't just start
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it out. Like you can't just go like to Columbus,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Ohio or Cincinnati, or I guess Columbus has like a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: little bit of a scene, but you would have to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have a real scene with like real headliners and like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: top level talent. Right. And the way we were able
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic. Like me and Tony moved, Ron White
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: moved here first and then me and Tony moved here.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And then once we started doing shows, we were talking
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to all our friends in LA and LA was shut
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kind of
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: moved out here at least temporarily because comedians are junkies.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Like they want to go on stage and it was
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: taken away from them for a year and a half
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: in LA. Couldn't perform. In L.A. for a year and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a half. Made no fucking sense. And out here, we
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: were just doing shows like in November of 2020. Like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it was indoor shows and super spreader shows. And so
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: because of that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that word.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Tom Segura moved here. Christina Pazitsky moved here. Tim Dillon
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: moved here. It's just like Shane Gillis moved here. It
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: was like we had so many like national headliners we
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: could pull off a club. Yeah. But you have to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: but you have to have, like, Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: It has to be, like, a lot of people around
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that you could have a show with.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: The infrastructure.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio. So we had
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: no connection. There was nowhere we were going to live
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: or it was going to feel like home. But we,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd lived in L.A. for 16 years. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was ready to get out. We wanted to start a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: family somewhere else. And we didn't know where to go.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So we came here in December of 2019. And we
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: had the best two months ever. And then everything shut
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: down and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody. And,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it didn't really get a fair shake. We
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: loved it while it was going. And then, yeah, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: did about two months of lockdown there. Couldn't do it anymore.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And then we bought an Airstream and just started traveling around.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And then I had to be in Montana for work
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: for Yellowstone. And we parked the Airstream up there and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: never left.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Montana's fucking awesome.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It's the best.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It's so great. It's so beautiful. Last time I was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: there was in the summer. Well, actually, last time I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was there, I was hunting with Bourdain. We went pheasant
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: hunting there. That was pretty cool.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of the last times I saw him.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: What part?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forget. Yeah. I forget where we were. I'm
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: were outside of Billings. Okay. I forget. But the summer
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: there is insane.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Perfection.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. Perfection. Everything's green. You see the mountains.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: We heard wolves howling one night. You see elk herds
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: just chilling on the side of a hill. God, this
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: place is magical.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't get dark until like 11 at night.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: because you're just like it's light for so long. But
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: then in the wintertime, the, you know, the exchanges, it
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: gets dark at 430 p.m.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we love it, man. It's the best thing
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that has ever happened for me. I've just sort of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: like all the L.A. stuff we were talking about.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite of that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The opposite. I have no FOMO about anything anymore, you know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I can just think and sleep and read and watch
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: films and it's the best.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Well, your show made a lot of fucking people move
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: out there, though.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah. And they're not happy about it. The
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: valley that I live in, we had some people come
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: visit us. Our friends from California drove out, and we
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: went on a hike. And we were in their car,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and they had Cali plates on. And we get off
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the hike and someone had written go back in the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: dust on their car. Like people are super weird about it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: because they would get really mad at me.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Dude, that happened in 2012. I was hunting in Montana.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: We went to the Missouri Breaks and we were going
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he had his car parked outside and it was like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a rental car. And someone had wrote, go back home.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: You know, like Montana is for Montanans or something like that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: They wrote it in the dirt. Right.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Which is dumb because if they have the plates, they
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: clearly aren't living there.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: They're visiting. They're going back.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just retards. You're going to get retards
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: in every state. Like if you have 100 people, one
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of them is a fucking idiot. Sure. Right. And if
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you got a town of X amount of 100,000 people.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You're going to have a good amount of fucking dumbasses.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: For sure. Those are the ones like, this is our place.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: We own it. This is our dirt.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: You know, somewhere along the line, someone moved there. And
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: all you did was stay.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You didn't do anything that cool.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And that one guy, I can't go to bars there
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: anymore because whatever that one idiot is, is at the bar.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: And he can't wait to start a fight with me.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Just like can't wait to do it because like it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a win-win for him. You know, he gets to sue
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: me or something. I don't know, you know, but it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a lose-lose for me.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just like his life is empty and it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden there's purpose and he's like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you ruined Montana. Fuck off. Right. Yeah. Or my favorite
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: is when they call people colonizers. That's my favorite. Like, bro,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: if you don't live in Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: was a colonizer. Oh, 100%. Period.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we all had to come from somewhere. Also, isn't
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: it like, The most American thing ever is that I
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: can choose where I want to live.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That should be celebrated.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It should be. Yeah. The idea that, oh, we were
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: here first. Those are the same idiots that hate when
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a band becomes successful. It's like, oh, I knew them
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: when they were underground. Now they sold out. Yeah. It's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: just a moron mentality. You're always going to have that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: no matter where you go. But Montanans are fiercely proud
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: of being from Montana.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: They'll always tell you what generation they are.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Third generation Montana.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: That's so silly.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm not Montanan, but my son will be.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: He can say that he is.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: This generation.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Right. It's like an anchor baby.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He can go fly fishing and no one's going
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to give him a hard time. That's right. I was
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: born here. Okay.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: You're good. You're cool.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You got a hall pass. Yeah. But like people that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: live in like that Yellowstone place, you know that- Yellowstone Club. Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: That place. Those are like fake Montanans to Montanans. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: have a buddy who lives up there and he was
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: telling me, I don't know. Fuck, anybody would live up there? Like,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: because it's awesome. What's wrong with you? It's still Montana. Like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: let it go. Right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: They just had some problem with sewage being dumped into
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the river or something like that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: The Yellowstone Club did?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: The Yellowstone Club.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: The locals were very angry. And I don't know if
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: that's locals, like, making some stuff up to sort of
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: cause a problem. But they were saying that they were
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: finding sewage from the Yellowstone Club in the local river there.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to look that up.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, whoa. Yeah, that's not good. That's the problem with
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: rich people. Yeah. Rich people are like, fuck everybody else.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And the views, I've seen photographs of it. God, the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: fucking views there are insane.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I have multiple friends that live in Montana. And the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: thing about it is, like, everybody will tell you, like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: at them every day, it, like, centers you and humbles you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to see. And it's around you all the time.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: window and it looks like a painting and it never
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: gets old. You know, if we need to go to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the grocery store, I'll do it because it's so fun
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to drive there. You know, you get out, you put
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: some tunes on. It's the best thing ever versus like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: living in L.A. to go anywhere was the worst thing ever.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Everything's a pleasure up there, man. It's really it's something.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But if you if you if you need any sort
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: trying to meet a babe or something, it's not going
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to happen. There's no people.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. There's a little of that in Austin.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: They're upset that the Californians moved here. Yeah, they're upset.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of people blamed me. And Elon. Sure.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: They blamed us for moving here and ruining Austin. Like, sorry,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: we made it more awesome. Fucking pussies. Shut your mouth.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: It's all the same thing. It's like people that want
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: credit for being here first. Like, fuck off. Now you
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: have more restaurants, way more comedy. There's like seven comedy
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: clubs on my street now. On the street where my
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: club is, there's seven comedy clubs now. That's amazing. It's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like one of the big hubs of live comedy in
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the world now.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Did it have it at all before?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: It had a couple places. There was a place called
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Cap City that actually went under before the pandemic or
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic. When
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I got here, it was for sale. And so I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was looking at that place to buy it, but it
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: didn't work out. And then there was another– there's another
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: place that's been around forever called the Velveeta Room. It's
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a real small room. I think it seats like 100
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: or so. And then– I think there was maybe a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: couple other bars that maybe had comedy, and there was
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a small scene of some comedians, but nothing like what
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: it is now. It's not even comparable. I mean, there's
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: like 17, 18 world-class comics that live here now. Wow.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: And talk about stage fright. I think that would be
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the hardest art form. You have no help. There's nothing
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to hide behind.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: There's no music.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: There's like, you know, it's just silence and you and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a microphone.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: close your eyes.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: No, there was a, there was a film actually one
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: time that I was attached to, to play a standup comedian.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And I, I promised the director that if we got
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: our funding and got the green light to go, that
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I'd go do it, that I'd actually go out and
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like work up 15 minutes and just, you know, do
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it until I understood what it was like. And that
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: movie fell through and I was very, very happy about
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that because I didn't want to do it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I bet, man.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's confusing because the people are just talking. You're like,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: why is that hard to do? Everybody talks. You know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like everybody could tell a story. Everybody could– and it
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: seems easy to do until you do it and then
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is– but I was hooked right
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: away because I sucked the first night that I bombed.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But I was like– I got a couple of laughs
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: on some things and I was like, I think I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: can figure this out. But I was– like I said,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I was more scared than when I was fighting. I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was more scared before like a big fight. It was weird.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, why am I nervous? It didn't make
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: any sense. My friend Whitney Cummings explained it to me.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: She said people have this fear of public speaking because
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: in tribal societies back in the day, the only time
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you spoke in front of a large group of people
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: was when you're being judged because they were going to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: kill you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Doesn't that make sense?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like if you're in front of other people,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: they're all like, what did he do? You know? So
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I never thought about that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's weird. That's what it is. Yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: No place to hide, man.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: That sounds scary. And especially if like it starts going bad.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Like if you start to bomb.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Is there any way out of that or is it–
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: People have recovered.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People have started off bombing and then pulled themselves
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: out of it. I've done it a couple of times.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Most of the time when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: You're going down. But there's a good to that, right?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: The good is you have to reexamine your material and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you– every time in my career in the early days
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards because
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I was like whatever the fuck that was, I don't
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: want to experience that again and I really focused and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: really– Really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around. You
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: need losses. Losses are very important. They're important in fighting.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: They're important in life. Like one of my kids just
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: had a breakup recently and I had a conversation with her.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I go, I know this sucks. But this is actually important.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Like it has to happen. And I told her like
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: about like first time a girl broke up with me
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: when I was 17. I was devastated.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, the worst. Oh, it's the worst feeling.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Couldn't believe my life was over. I'm only 17. I can,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to recover. I'm like, it's so important
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: because you realize like as time passes, you understand that
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: this is just a moment in time and there's other
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: people you're going to meet. And it's just, You have
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: And so you have to experience that. And you also
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: have to realize that, you know, people, they don't know
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: what they're doing either. Like boys don't know what they're doing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Girls don't know what they're doing. They're kind of figuring
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: it out as they go along. People break up and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: they make up. And these are these lessons that you
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: have to learn in life. And loss is important because
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it makes you understand, like, why did this person get
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: sick of me? Why am I annoying? Am I selfish?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: What is it? What is wrong with me? Why am
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I picking these people that are going to break my heart?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Why don't I adjust? Maybe I should spend some time
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: me or figure out who I am. Those moments where
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: you have to kind of go through things and figure
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: them out, they're so important for you in life. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best, like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: motivating factors to take you to another level in your career.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Or wreck your confidence forever. Right. Just like fighting.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say it happens to fighters
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Some fighters lose and they're never the same again.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And some fighters lose and then a new version of
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: them emerges in the next fight. You're like, whoa, this
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: dude dialed in.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Who would be a good example of that?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Charles Oliveira. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's the best example of it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter. Like,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: he would just break. And now he's, like, going on
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: a skid. motherfuckers alive yeah you know especially this last
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: weekend the fight with Max Holloway like good lord like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Max Holloway was a two-to-one favorite in that fight he
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: got shut out yeah like literally every round was a
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: dominant performance by Oliveira it was crazy.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: It's funny people complaining about that fight too. Because it was.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: On the ground.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: My daughter complained about it. Did she? She's like, me
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and Matt was so boring. You're a casual. My kid's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a casual.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: People love a slugfest, don't they?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. They do. They do. They do love a slugfest.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: But, you know, that's the sport. The sport is like
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's going to be exciting and sometimes it's just
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: going to be a ground battle. But for me it
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Max could get up, what he could do to prevent
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: from getting taken down and whether or not he could
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to reverse the position and get
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: on top. And, you know, when you're watching like a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just, you're
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: in Marvel. You're like, wow, this is crazy. I can't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: believe he's able to do this. This is nuts.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I wish I would have started jujitsu when I was small.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Because I tried, like, you know, late 30s, and I
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: was like, it was kind of like the golf thing
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: where I was like, well, first of all, it's way
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: cooler than golf. But I was like, the amount of
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: time it's going to take me until this doesn't feel
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: like being smothered is going to be a long time.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if I have, I don't know
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: if I can start now. It takes forever. I'm sure. Yeah, like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: how long would it take for, like, a grown person
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: until it's... Until you actually know what's going on intuitively
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't feel like chaos.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively. Like there's guys– like
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: even as a black belt, there's guys that I could
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: roll with and I would just get humiliated because they're
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: just so much better than I am. Like my friend
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi champion.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, cool.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He's the greatest of all time. Like he's 30.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: The greatest grappler that's ever lived.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: That looks like he, man.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He's a freak.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: He's amazing.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: But he trains– 365 days a year. He does not
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: take breaks off Christmas. Fuck you. It's your birthday. Fuck you.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Happy Easter. Fuck you. He trains every day and he
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: trains like twice a day, three times a day. It's like,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that is the only way to be the greatest. And,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's obviously a lot bigger than me,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: but it's not the best example, but he does that
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: to heavyweight black belts, just humiliates them. They have no,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: he writes down on a piece of paper, what he's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: going to do to them and hands it to the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: judges before the fight. So he's like, I'm going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: triangle this guy. That's crazy. And he's doing it to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: world champions. It's amazing. Like guys who have been like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: multiple time world champions.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And he's just predicting what he's going to do. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: then he passes on every submission until he can get
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: him in that. Like he's having fun. He's like he's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: playing with his food. So there's levels to stuff. So
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to be competent in rolling, you can get there in
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: a couple of years depending on how often you train.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Like Bourdain got really serious at 58. Wow. At 58.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: That's when he started?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: That's when he started. Yeah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: When I first met him, he wasn't training at all.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: When I first met him, he came to the UFC.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: His wife was really into the UFC. And she had
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: just started doing jiu-jitsu. And she was getting him into
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the sport and he really got interested in it. And
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: then she took him to jiu-jitsu classes. Like, fuck, this
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: is actually kind of fascinating. And he had never done
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: any kind of athletic things in his whole life. And then...
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like when he was six, there's a photo of him
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: like in his sixties and he's walking down the street
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: with his, he had gotten divorced and he was dating
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: some new girl and he's got the six pack and
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: he looks shredded. And when I, when I first met him,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: he was like doughy and he had a thumb ring
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, a chef and you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: it was into drinking and he just became a jujitsu
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: addict and he was training every fucking day and sometimes
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: twice a day. He would do a private lesson and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they would take a class every day. Wow. Yeah. He
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: got a, and then he would, he told me he
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: was taking his like, when we were hunting in Montana, he,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: we were on the ground in Montana. He wanted to
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like learn some stuff. So I was explaining him certain,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: but like, I'm like, when you go for a Darce,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: there's a way to get, there's a thing called the
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Japanese necktie. And I was explaining to him on the dirt.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, you guys all camoed out doing Jiu
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Jitsu on the ground.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: But he was like, he was so interested in it
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: that it was, he was like constantly asking questions. And
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: he had guys that were in the crew that had
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: also gotten interested in Jiu Jitsu because of him. So, Like,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: while he was there filming his show, he also went
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: down and was training. He found a local jiu-jitsu gym,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and he went down there and trained while he was there.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: He would train everywhere on the road. Yeah, he would
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: go to, like, foreign countries and train. Like, he didn't
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: even speak the language. And, you know, he's this fucking
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: famous guy from TV, and he's just rolling in there with, like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: normal people and getting strangled.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: 58, man. That's incredible. I have no excuse. I'm going
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: to start.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I want to put it in front of my kid
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, as soon as he can do it, I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: want him to try, you know, if he likes it
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: or not. But it's like, I feel like it's one
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: of those things. It's so good to connect with other
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: people in that way from such a young age.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It gives you confidence.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And then if you love it, if he has a
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: passion for it, you don't have to worry about him
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a few things where, like, you can't
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: be both. You've got to really connect. Give that everything.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Also, it becomes like a real source of confidence for kids.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: If they know that they can fight, like they can
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: avoid fights. People won't want to fight them because they'll
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: have a reputation. It's very good to know. It's also
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like you can get out of things just by knowing
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: how to fight because you know like what people are
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: doing and what they're not doing. You don't say anything
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: stupid because you're trying to trick a person into thinking
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: that you're a tough guy. There's a quiet confidence that
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: comes with these guys. And also if something does happen,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: most people have zero idea of how to fight. Zero.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And they think they're just going to swing and hit
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you in the face. And you see all this shit
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: coming way before it happens. You see them moving their
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: right foot back like, oh, God. Like, here we go.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It's like they're playing a game, but they don't even
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: know the rules. They don't even know the skill. They
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: don't know anything. But they've seen it on TV and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: they think they're going to be able to pull it off,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: especially if they're drunk. Oh, yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: There's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to fights on
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: 6th Street here. Have you seen this? It's amazing, dude.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. You can just watch it for hours.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch, yeah. A lot of them taking
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: place right in front of my club. Fights on 6th
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Street are so scary because guys fall and they hit
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: their head. That's how people die. People die where they
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: get punched in the jaw and they go out and
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: they just bang their head off the ground.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Or there's a lot of people out there that'll When
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: you're already out, step on your head.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Kick your head.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: You see that a lot.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. Like, if you've won the fight already,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: move on.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: That's scary stuff. That's evil.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I want some people that get red with rage, and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: they lose their mind, and then they wind up in
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: jail for the rest of their life, and then just
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: sitting in a cell going, what the fuck? One night, drunk,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: doing something stupid, and now I'm here forever. Yeah. It's crazy.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: And someone's dead.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And someone's dead. And someone's parents are crying and someone's
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: missing their father. Like, fuck, man.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Because he looked at my girlfriend.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I know. People are retarded. Yeah. The best thing about
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: fighting is it teaches you not to fight. Very few
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: of my friends that know how to fight have ever
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: been in street fights. It almost never happens. It's just like,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it's such a stupid thing to do.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: How many times in your life have you had to
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: use it, like, practically in a real life scenario?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Never. Really? Never. Not since I was in like high school.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I've never been in a fight fight, like an actual
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: fight since high school. I avoid them. Yeah. I'm not
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: like if I know I can fuck you up and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I could just get away. I'm like, I just get away.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I don't need to prove. What's the point? Also, here's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the thing. People always say, oh, if I could fight,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I'd fuck people up. Great. And then they're going to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: come back and kill you, you know, and then they're
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: going to run you over or shoot you or don't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: be stupid. Like it's pointless. It's pointless. It's pointless. You know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I've had situations where I thought I was going to
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: have to fuck somebody up and I didn't. But you
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: have to have self-control. You have to, you know, you
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: have to be able to know. And also, like, most people, like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: if they want to fight you, all you have to
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: do is kind of, like, put your hands up and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: move a little bit. Like, they're not going to be
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: able to do anything. They'll be swinging and you're just like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: come on, man. What are we doing here? What are
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: we doing? And it's– the only time people get hurt
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: is when you engage. Like, you're both swinging at each other.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: If someone's swinging at you and they don't know what
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: they're doing, they have almost no chance of hurting me.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Like zero– unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: have almost zero chance of hitting me. Unless you really
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: know what to do. If you really know how to fight,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: most of those people who really know how to fight
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: aren't fighting people anyway.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Aren't street fighting.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm not going to provoke anybody. I'm not
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: going to start a fight. So it's like– I mean
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I know a few of my friends that have had
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to fuck people up. Gordon had to beat the fuck
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: out of a homeless guy in Austin. What?
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: No way. Oh, yeah. Some homeless guy.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: He picked the wrong dude.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Boy, did he. And Gordon tried to get out of it.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: But the guy wouldn't. He put him to sleep. Wow.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Put him to sleep and then called the cops. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the cops came and picked the guy up. Humiliating. Oh,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: my goodness. The wrong guy. But that shows you how
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: fucking stupid people are. Because Gordon's a gorilla. He's this big, giant,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: 240-pound jack dude who's, you know. I don't know how
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: many time, jujitsu world champion. And then some fucking idiot,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: probably high out of his mind, picks a fight with him.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: i think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: another guy and just a problem just some guys are
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: just nuts man yeah and you know mental health issues
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: and but fights are stupid they're they're so pointless you
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: know organized fights it's a different thing i mean that's
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: High-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. That's what I call it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That's what a real fight is. Like we'll both agree
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to make a certain weight. We're going to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: meet September 7th. Here it is. That's a different thing.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing. It's like a chess match and
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you can't breathe. It's crazy.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. But in chess,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: the pieces can only move a certain way. In jiu-jitsu,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: what's nuts is there's like so many different variations. And
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: then you add in striking and wrestling. You're like, oh,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: my God. It's so– I love it. I'll never get
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: tired of watching MMA. It's the most exciting thing ever
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: for me. I like other sports. Like I've really grown
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to love football since I moved to Texas. And I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: can watch a good basketball game. Baseball is hard. But
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to me, it's all just downtime unless fights are on.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: If fights are on, I'm not watching anything else. Like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I've been at football games, like at UT games with
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the UFC on my phone sitting there while I'm watching
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the UFC. Right.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I have football envy. I went to a Christian school
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: in Ohio and we didn't have a football team. I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: feel like if you don't grow up around it in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: high school, you just don't understand the nuance. I understand
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: the rules and I get it, but I don't know.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I don't love it like people do and I wish
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: I did. The stakes, I don't understand it. I don't
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: understand the team sport thing as much as I do.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I love MMA.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I love watching UFC because the stakes are so high.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Something about One-on-one. Who's the better person today? You know, that's,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: you know, you can't, there's no one to blame it on.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: It's just one person.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It's a different thing. Like, I have grown to love
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it living here. My wife is a big football fan.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: And so she got me into it. And then I've
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: gone to a bunch of UT games, and they're fucking fun, man.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And it's like, when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins. Like,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the whole team, like, the whole audience, like, 80,000 people. Yeah!
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: And there's something to that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Because when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out, people
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: cheer and it's exciting. But you never know who's– if
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you're watching Justin Gaethje fight Max Holloway, I don't know
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: who's for Justin Gaethje, who's for Max Holloway. You look
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: out there, everybody's wearing UT colors, right? Or they're wearing
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma colors. It's like you've got your colors. You've got
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: your outfits. Everybody's pumped. They cheer when this guy scores.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: They boo when that guy scores. It's like more of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: a team. Everybody wins together. Yeah. Whereas like with MMA,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you know, there's– it's like you're just watching an individual.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being, type
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of human being that becomes a guy who could become
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: an MMA world champion. That is a truly special human.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Like the amount of dedication and the amount of focus
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: and discipline and the courage that That you have to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: have to get in your fucking underwear and stand there
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: with a cup on with little tiny pads on your
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: gloves in front of another savage, like another train killer
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: who's been training for 18 weeks for this one moment.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: And they bolt the door shut to the cage. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: then the referee goes, fighter, you ready? Fighter, you ready?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: And then the whole world is watching. You're surrounded by 20,000
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: people and lights and cheering. And you're trying to keep
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: your shit together and you're getting kicked and.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: How do you sleep the night before that? That would
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: be my thing. It's hard. I wouldn't be able to sleep.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: It's hard. I would always get sick. I would get
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping. Right. I was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: training really hard, and I didn't even take vitamins back then.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I was a dumbass because I was young. I stopped
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: fighting when I was 22. But for a lot of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: these guys, it is hard. It's really hard to just relax.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: And then they grow to learn how to relax. And
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: then it's really scary. And then it's really hard to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: they even get. Like Anderson Silva in his prime, he
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: like look at him. And he would be standing there
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: staring at you and you're like, oh, my God, I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: have to fight this guy tomorrow. Oh, my. What have
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I done? Why am I doing this in my life?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Imagine doing that stare down with Mike Tyson back in
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: the day.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: That would be the most terrifying.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. It was. It was. There would be guys
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: that looked like they were going to faint while the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: referee was giving them instructions. I remember he fought Bruce Seldon.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: And Bruce Seldon, who was a beast, man. He's a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: fucking tank of a man. And he looked like he
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: was going to faint during the stare down.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the scariest of all time.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: He was. He was absolutely the scariest of all time.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: The scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: And there was a period of time between 1986 and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: probably around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: It was so... You would buy the pay-per-view knowing that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: the guy was going to get knocked out and hoping
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: that you'd get your money's worth. Because the pay-per-view is
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: like whatever it was, 50 bucks or something. If it's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: like 30 seconds, you're like, aw, that's bullshit. People would
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: get upset that the pay-per-view was so quick. But, I mean,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that's what you were signing up for. And those kind
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: of guys, I mean, when you've got a guy that's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: got every box checked– Discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: He would beat guys like long before they ever got
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: in there because they knew that they were fighting this demon,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: this guy that just was so much better than everybody else.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: There's no way you could catch up to him.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Is it true about his– wasn't it like his trainer
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: died and then kind of he lost the.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Whole– Yeah. Well– His trainer was Customato. And Customato was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a legendary figure in boxing. He had trained Floyd Patterson,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Jose Torres. He trained a lot of legit world champions.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: And he was also a hypnotist. Wait, what? Yeah, he
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: was a hypnotist. Well, he was really into the mental
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: side of fighting. He was almost like as much of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer. It was
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: all about tempering their mind and getting them ready like
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: he would tell mike tyson you don't exist only the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: task exists he would say crazy shit to him and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: he adopted him when he was 13 so mike was
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: 13 and he came from bedford stye in brooklyn was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: a horrible neighborhood so his whole life was like crime
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: and violence and no love and just terrible and all
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: of a sudden this man took him under his wing
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: who was also a legendary figure in boxing. Legendary. Like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: he was like, he was the guru. And, you know,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: he basically, it was like the perfect storm. And then
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: he was also, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager. He was
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: an historian of boxing. And he had this incredible library
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: of all the great fighters. So he would watch film,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like fucking those. He like have a projection screen.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And he would watch film of like Jack Johnson and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Stanley Ketchell and Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: from back in the day, Roberto Duran. He would sit
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: there and absorb all these amazing fights. And when you
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: can watch– like that's one of the great things about today,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: like especially with MMA. Like if you look at the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: fights from 1993 and the fights from 2026, the skill
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: level is like magnitudes greater because all these guys have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: grown up watching– all these fights now because from the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: time that MMA existed, it was on television. You could
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube after that. And it was like,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: there was always fights that you could see. So you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: could see what guys were doing. So you had an
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: understanding of the level. So kids would grow up imitating
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: their favorite fighters. You know, they'd grow up, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: imitating John Jones and imitating Cain Velasquez and all these guys.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And you would, you, you, you could absorb a lot
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: just by seeing the elite level of these guys. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: that had that ability. Because he had this immense library
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: of the greatest fights of all time. And so he
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: would be training with one of the greatest trainers that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: ever lived, who was probably the greatest psychological trainer that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: ever lived. Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at 13,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: programming him to be this destruction machine. And then he
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: was watching fights. So he was watching all these guys,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Jack Johnson and all these, like, great old school champions
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: and Jack Dempsey and, like. And he just absorbed it all. Incredible.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: And he would get in that ring with fucking no
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: socks on and no robe and just like a throwback.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: He was like one of– he was like he absorbed
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the energy of those old great fighters, the Sugar Ray
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Robinsons and the hardcore old school guys who would fight
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: like once a week, once every two weeks.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Dude, is that how often they were doing it?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, they fought so many times. I think before– Sugar
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Ray Robinson ever lost a fight. He was 90 and 0.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Something crazy like that.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: 90.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Fucking crazy. Whoa. Just crazy. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: And to be able to watch that kind of stuff
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: when you're young, you absorb it, you know? Sure.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: It's like kids that play instruments now.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you'll see an eight-year-old online who's better than
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: any drummer in the 70s. Right. It's crazy just how
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: quick they can, how quickly they can get better now.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Because they have access to everyone all the time. So cool.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that's like that with all sports now.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: But you know, like you can, like you could go
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: back and watch, if you're a basketball player, you could
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: go back and watch Jordan. You can watch Larry Bird.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: You can watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe. You can watch
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: all these great basketball players and see what they're doing.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Whereas if you were young, you know, in the sixties
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: or seventies, like you only got to see the people
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you saw.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: You were as good as the people you were around,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: which is why it was so important to be a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: part of like a great program in high school and college.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Cause then you'd be around like, and then you'd go
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: to the States and see how these guys are doing. Oh,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: these guys are better than us. Like, I remember that
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: from wrestling. Like the only time when I was wrestling
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: in high school, the only time you get to see
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: like really good guys, you'd go somewhere else. Like I was,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I went to school in Newton, Newton South high school,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and we had good wrestlers in our program. And I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: thought they were good until I would go to the States.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: And you go, oh, my God. These kids are going
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: to camps every year. They were wrestling 365 days a year. They're, like,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: obsessed with it. And then if you go to, like,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Iowa or somewhere like that, like, good Lord, it's a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: fucking religion there. I mean, they've been doing that since
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: they were babies. It's like you absorb what you see
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and your brain rises to the level of the competition
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that you see.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I love watching him.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: He's got a cool story, too. Didn't his dad make
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: him do ballet.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: For a while? Ukrainian dance for two years. Pulled him
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: out of boxing for two years.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: That guy moves like it doesn't look real.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Like people shouldn't be able to move like that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: The matrix they call him. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, he would
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: do footwork that no one had even considered doing before.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: The movement, the slipping to the side and the angles.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: His ability to change direction was crazy. Because he would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: be here, and then he'd be here, and then you're swinging,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: and he's here, and he's hitting you. And he also
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: was way smaller than everybody. He was way smaller than everybody.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: He was supposed to be a 126-pound fighter, and he
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: went all the way up to the 140-pound division.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Are there a lot of younger guys doing that sort
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of style now coming up, or is that like a one-off?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a one-off. Usyk does it, but Usyk
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: was trained by Lomachenko's father. They were trained by the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: same guy. So Usyk is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: That's why he moves so much. That guy's a freak.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: He's a freak. He's a pleasure to watch. Watching that guy.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: than him. When he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: like 280 pounds. And he's like a cruiserweight. He was
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: really a 200-pound guy that blew up to compete against heavyweights.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: He's much smaller than those guys. But he was so.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: And just his pattern recognition, his understanding of boxing is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: just elite, like so many levels above everybody else. And
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: he's 38. Like at 38, you're supposed to be done. No, 38,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: he's in his fucking prime. Amazing. Also clean life, clean living,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: like serious Christian, like very, very religious, you know, doesn't party,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't fuck around, you know, and just trains with like
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: rigid discipline. That Soviet-style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline, like, those guys, like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: their program over there, like, you see it, like, in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Dmitry Bivol and a lot of the other, like, Soviet-style boxers.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: They have, like, a very comprehensive technical program that they
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: put their fighters under. There's a style, like, Bivol's the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: best example of that style. It's such a fucking difficult
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: style because it's so movement-based. And a lot of, like,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: moving forward, just trying to land the big shots. And, like,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Bival's just moving around you all the time, popping you and.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Like, ugh. Yeah. Sort of like the Dagestani guys in MMA.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Same thing.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: You're not going to beat those guys because it's all
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: They're in eat and breathe it. They're in Muay Thai now.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: There's this kid that I'm obsessed with. He's 22 years old.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: His name is Asadullah Imangazaliev. I don't want to fuck
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: it up. Asadullah Imam Ghazaliyev. He's a fucking freak, man.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: He's 22 years old and he's destroying world champions in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai. Just killing them.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: He's Dagestani?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, wow. So the Dagestanis are taking over striking
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: too now.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Well, this guy's nuts, man. He's so fluid too. It's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: nuts to watch him, man. He moves like nobody else moves.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: He's real tall for the weight class. So you can't
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: even get close to him. He's fucking you up from
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the outside. This is the guy. This guy is a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: fucking freak, man. He's just doing things different than everybody else. Wow.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: And he's destroying people. Just destroying everyone. Everyone he fights.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: He's so unusual, man. And again, he's from a hard
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: part of the world, man. You know, you grow up
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to karate classes. No chance. You got to fight this
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: fucking dude.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: This guy's fighting for his dinner.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: He's just murking people. And it's also he comes from
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: a culture that like reveres combat sports. You know, they
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: have their champions, guys like Islam Makachev, Khabib Nurmagomedov. Like
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: they're legends over there.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: And everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Where was Fedor from?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: He's from Russia. Is he? Oh, yeah. He was the first.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: I loved watching him growing up, man.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: He was the first.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I used to watch him before auditions. Really?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: There was just something about his mindset where he was
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: so even keel.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Stoic. Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: It's like his heart rate didn't change or something. Even
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: when he won, he'd just be like, meh, and sort
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: of walk off.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: That's so badass, dude. Yeah. His expression never changed. Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: He was one of the all-time greats, if not the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: all-time great. He was different than everybody else. And he
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: was a heavyweight that could submit you. He could knock
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: you out. He was fast. He wasn't big. I mean,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: he was like 5'11.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Very unassuming.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy in
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Belly fat. He didn't give a fuck what he looked like.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: He was all about how he could perform.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And he was a part of that era where MMA emerged.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: And in Japan, it was so much bigger than it
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: was in America. Yeah. During the Pride days when Fedor
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: was running shit, there was 90,000 people in those arenas. Whoa. Yeah.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: They were doing like the Tokyo Superdome. They were doing
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: these gigantic arenas and like everyone was a fan in
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the country. And then it all went away because the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal. Like
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the world and it just kind of like fizzled out.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Did you ever go to any of those in Japan?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I went to a UFC once in Japan. We did
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: one UFC in Japan, and I went there. It was
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: really cool. I was just really happy to be in
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Japan for a fight because I've been such a fan
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: of Japanese martial artists and Japanese martial arts, period. Look,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I have a Miyamoto Musashi tattooed on my arm. But
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: being in there in Japan was like– it was interesting
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: because they were so educated. Like they were really quiet
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: while the fights were going on. But then when something
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: would happen, even something really technical, like somebody passing the guard,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: they would go, oh, and they would all clap. I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: was like, whoa, this is interesting. It was like you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: could hear each corner yelling instructions. You didn't hear the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: crowd at all. There's 16,000 people in there.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: It was wild. It was a completely different kind of audience,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: like very respectful, very appreciative, and very knowledgeable audience. It
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: was cool.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think if you didn't do what you did,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: would you rather watch UFC in person or would you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: watch it at home?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: In person is the best. You want to be there.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: You want to feel the crowd. But I would want
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: to be there where I sit. I'm super spoiled.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got the best seat in the house.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I could reach up and grab the cage.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: It's right there. I'm so spoiled. But if you're in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: the bleeders, if you're in the nosebleeds, You're probably better
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: off watching it at home, honestly, because then you get
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: the commentary. You get to see replays. You get to see,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like close up. If you've got a big
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: TV at home, you get to see everything.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I just sat close for the first time. I went
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: to the Patty Gaethje fight.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, did you?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: That was a good one.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: It was amazing, dude. But, yeah, it's definitely different hearing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: the sound.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: It's like a whole. When you hear like bone on bone,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: you're like, whoa.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Well, my favorite was during the pandemic. We had fights
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: at the UFC Apex with no crowd. It was insane.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: It was so– because we had world championship fights with
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: no crowd. That's crazy. There was maybe like 50, 100
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: people in the room. Wow. It was like mostly just
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: staff of the UFC, the trainers of the fighters and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: some of the other fighters in the audience and some
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: friends in the audience. And that's it. And the UFC
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: apex has a smaller ring too, a smaller cage. So
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: it's like– I think it's like– I want to say
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: it's 40 percent smaller. It's a lot smaller.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's smaller.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: How would that affect– A fight.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Practically.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: You can't move as much. There's not as much distance
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: to get away. So a guy who likes to move
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: around a lot and get away from people. I saw
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic when Francis won the title
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: in the apex with no crowd.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: And when Francis hits things, it's like hearing a baseball
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: bat hitting a pumpkin. It's just whomp, and you're right there.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: You hear them breathing. You hear the grunts when they
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: get hit. You hear the coaches yelling out, hands up,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: hands up, move, move, move. Hit them with the one, one, two.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: They're yelling out instructions, and it's like there's no one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: else there. It's silent. Wow. It's amazing.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: So that's the way.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's my favorite. Cool. But there's something about an
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a big
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: world title fight in a, like in Vegas or in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: the Madison Square Garden, it's an incredible place. Just because
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: the history of the place, you feel it when you're
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: in Madison Square Garden. But, My favorite is the Apex.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling about this White House card? That's insane.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Makes me a little nervous. I don't know if it's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the best idea.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it would open some room for
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: some tomfoolery.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: It seems like it, yeah. The card is not what
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: they wanted it to be, for sure. They wanted it
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: to be like all world titles. But, you know, matchmakers
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: have a very difficult task. It's very hard to find
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: people that aren't injured... That are ready at this particular
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: time because the brutal aspect of the sport is that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: guys are always hurt. They're always training hurt. They're always
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: getting hurt. They fight hurt. Very rarely is anyone going
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: into the octagon 100%. Sure. There's always something going on.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Guys are dealing with staph infections in camp and they're
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and maybe
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: they've got a muscle pull or a knee that's fucked
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: up and When Francis Ngannou fought Cyril Ghosn, he blew
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: his ACL out. So he had to wrap his leg up.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: And he had one leg. And he beat him with
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: one leg. That's crazy. Crazy. Guys have fought with broken hands.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Alex Pereira, he's beaten guys with a broken foot. He
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: fights with a broken foot. Just stoic. Standing there. Knows
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: his foot's broken. Doesn't give a fuck. He fought with
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: a bad knee. His knee needed surgery. There's a fight
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: that he fought Yuri Prohaska. Where he's on top of Yuri,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: they stop the fight, and he does a forward roll
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: to get off of him after he knocked him out
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: because he couldn't stand on his left leg.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Was that like a known thing
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: while the fight was happening?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: No. Oh. No. He had surgery after the fight.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I remember that fight.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Pereira's really big in our house because Brazil, right?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Those Brazilians, man, they love each other. It's crazy. My wife,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even care about MMA that much. But if
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: there's a Brazilian fight, she's all about it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Very, very proud people. Yeah. And it's also
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: like Brazil is where it all started. They were having
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s. Really? Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Elio Gracie, who's really the founder of all this shit,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: he's the father of like the Gracie clan. The Gracie
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: family is like the greatest story in the history of
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: martial arts. That one family has changed martial arts forever.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Elio Gracie and Carlson Gracie. These three Gracies who competed
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: in these no rules fights. They didn't have time limits
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: back then. No gloves. No nothing. And they were fighting
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s. And
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: They figured out. They took techniques from judo. Like judo
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions. And
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: so they concentrated only on the submissions. And they created
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Like jiu-jitsu, which was a Japanese martial art.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: But Brazilian jiu-jitsu is far more technical than Japanese jiu-jitsu.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: And even Japanese guys now train Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, is there any... Are there
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: purists that only do the Japanese style still or not really?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: You can't really compete. Oh, okay. I mean, you... I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: mean you could because everybody kind of knows everything now
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: because Brazilian jiu-jitsu has made its way into every other sport.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Brazilian jiu-jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo, which
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: is another combat sport, which is also elite. But Brazilian
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: jiu-jitsu changed the game, and the Gracie family changed everything forever.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: And the guy who fought in the UFC, Hoyce, he
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't even the best guy in the family. He told everybody,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: my brother Hickson kills me. Hickson was the man. Like
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then. He was
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: a guy who did yoga. He was meditating. He did
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: this crazy thing with his stomach where he would do
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: this breathing where his stomach would suck in. He was
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: like a real freak and he was undefeated. Like nobody
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: could touch him. He would go and do these seminars.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: So he'd teach a seminar and teach it to all
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: these black belts and then he would roll with all
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: of them nonstop and just tap out everybody. Everybody. World champions,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: they all be like, ah, this is a bunch of hype.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: And they go in there, ah. They all get armbarred.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: They all get leg locked. Like, it was crazy. He
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: was so much better than everybody else. And so they
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: wanted Hoist to win because Hickson also was, like, pretty
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: jacked and he was, like, really fit. He was really
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: into strength and conditioning and, like I said, yoga. He
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: was incredibly flexible. Like, he could stand there and do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: the splits and, like, hold his leg up in the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: air on a balance bar.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Is he the one that wrote that book?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah. And he had that documentary. It's a
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: great documentary called Choke. Phenomenal documentary about his rise through
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Japan Valley Tudor. And then he was the guy they
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: based the first Pride event on.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: He was the champion of the first Pride event. He
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: was the guy that the whole thing was based on
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: because he was huge in Japan. I mean, he was
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: a superstar in Japan. But he was the champion of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the family. And they wanted Hoist to do it because
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Hoist was like smaller and he would show that jiu-jitsu
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: was about technique.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: And the plan was if Hoist ever got beat, throw
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: in Hickson. Oh, okay. Then everybody's fucked. But Hickson, like
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: his brother Horian started the UFC and Horian and Hickson
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: had friction and Horian really couldn't control Hickson. And so
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: they were like, let's put Hoist in and if we
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: need to call on Hickson, we'll call the boogeyman. Nice.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: He was the boogeyman.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Remember the guy, I think it was UFC 1, who
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: had the one glove, the one boxing glove?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Art Jimerson. Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: What was that about?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: to hold on to people and he wanted to punch
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: them with his right hand. Weird tactic, man. Well, no
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: one knew what the fuck they were doing back then.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: It was like Michael Jackson, dude.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Everybody had this idea of what fighting was, and
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: they didn't really know until they got taken down. Oh,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: there he is. Oh, it was his left hand. So
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. So I guess he wanted to pop him
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: with a jab. Hoyce just fucking put it to that guy. Amazing.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: But Hoyce was doing something that nobody had seen before.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: And that one event, when he was doing that to people,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: it changed everything. It changed my opinion of martial arts.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu. I was like, oh, my God.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: You were taekwondo?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I started in taekwondo, and then I did kickboxing for
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: a while. And then as soon as I saw the UFC,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu. I was like, oh, God.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, I know how to fight. And then
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I took classes. I was just getting manhandled and mauled
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: and tapped left and right. I was like, oh, my God,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a beginner. This is so humiliating. I was like,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I've got to get good at this. I couldn't believe
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: how helpless I was. I was running around thinking I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: was a badass and I was just a fool.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll humble you real quick.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, so humbly.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: I've gone through that. I did it for, you know,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: maybe a couple months. And I just never made it
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: past the hump. I should probably try again.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Get a trainer. Get a guy who can do drills
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: with you. That's really huge. If you can get someone
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: to do drills with you and, like, just go over, like,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: on a one-on-one basis the finer aspects of it and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: just do drills and drills, drills over and over again.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: And then slowly start working your way into group classes.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: That's the key.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: I think the thing is with, you know, if you
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: go to a boxing class, Muay Thai class, you get
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: to get some frustration out.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Because you're hitting something and it kind of feels good
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: on your drive home. You feel like, I just beat
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: the shit out of that bag, you know.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: But then you do, you roll with somebody who's really
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: good and you go home and you're more frustrated.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: But the first time you tap someone, it's like, it's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: such a revelation. You're like, oh my God, I got
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: an arm bar. Oh my God, I got a triangle.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Like the first time you actually catch someone something and
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: they tap, I'll never forget that feeling. I was like, wow.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: And then you have to just trust the process. Trust
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the process of showing up and realizing it is a
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: tall mountain to climb. You're not going to get there quick.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: It's a weird thing to do with your body. Your
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: body doesn't know what to do with it. That's why
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: drilling is so important. When you're drilling, you're going over
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: the motions without resistance. So your body... Sort of gets
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: programmed how to switch your hips and how to catch
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the arm and how to pull your body back and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: secure it with your legs and all the different things
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: that you have to do. Where if you're doing just
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: live sparring all the time, you're not going to learn
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: because you're all panicking and tight. You've got to be
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: able to train your body to move a certain way
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: so it becomes automatic.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: And is there a way to do it where you
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: can stay relatively injury-free while you're learning? Or is it
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: like that's just part of it?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: It's kind of part of it.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: It's kind of part of it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody just sort of assumes you're going to eventually get
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: hurt in one way or another. You're going to fuck
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever. Right.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: But the best way is to find good training partners.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Don't train with any wild people because some people just
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: yank on things. Those are dangerous. The really dangerous people
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: are like blue belts who are really strong. Who would
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: just like really spaz out on you. Sure. Kind of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: I've seen that a lot. Like I know people that
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: are really good that won't roll with people that are spazs.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: are like, they just wanted to choke out Casey dudden
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: of course like come on man i just started of.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Course i used to get that when i was on
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: fear factor a lot of guys want to choke out
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the fear factor guy yeah but you know that's just
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: part of the fun like fordane like he's 58 year
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: old white belt nuts wow if that guy did it
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: fucking kind of anybody can do it.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: What belt did he get to he might have got
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: to purple Uh, he definitely got to blue.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he got to purple, but he
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: won tournaments. Wow. He competed in tournaments, you know, you know,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I remember when he first started doing, he's like, I'd
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: really like to compete in some age appropriate tournaments. I
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: was trying to talk him out of it. I was like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: don't get hurt, man. We need you out there.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: He was obsessed. If he could do it like that,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: not a worker, didn't train, didn't, didn't do any working out.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Wasn't a runner. Didn't lift weights, nothing. And then at 58,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: he's like, all right, I'm going to get good at this.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Good for him, man. That's awesome.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: problems in his past. And the thing about being an
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: and get addicted to something really good, you can really excel.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: For whatever weird reason. Also, there's a flip side. So
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: people that are addicted to a sport or a thing
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: and they get really good at a thing and then
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: they become drug addicts, that same thing can kind of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: hijack your brain and then all you're doing is like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: chasing meth all day.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen that happen too.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: I should get back into it.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: It's a fun thing to do. It's good for your
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: It's so hard because you're essentially– the game you're playing
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: is I kill you or you kill me. So when
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: a guy gets your back and gets your rear naked
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: choke and you tap, you're essentially saying you just killed me.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for not killing me. I give up. And
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: then when you do it to him, he's saying that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: to you. So it's so hard that the rest of
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: your life is easy. Everything else becomes easy. All the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: stress of fame and success and Hollywood and the bullshit.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: It's nothing compared to some dude mounting you, trying to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: get in. You're trapped in an arm triangle. You're trying
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: to get your hand down to protect yourself. It's way harder.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: And that makes the rest of your life easier. If
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: way better off. Find a thing that's way more difficult
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: on your mind, way more difficult on your body, way
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: more difficult on your spirit than this other thing that
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: you do. So it'll like make that other thing like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: easier to tolerate. Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: And stay humble too.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Super humble.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: You're not going to think you're cool for being able
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: to say some lines.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Some people get– well, that's the other thing, right? You
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Easy, easy trap.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: We've all seen that. We've all seen actors are just
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: like inflated.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little blessed in the way that I've
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: never thought I was very great at anything. I enjoy
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: doing the things, but I've never really– I'm never good
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: enough for myself, kind of hard on myself a little bit,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: but I've seen it for sure. If you're waiting for
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: someone else to validate you, once they do, you're screwed.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Because you're going to believe it.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Well, there's the problem of being a star is that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: like all these people need you and the world, their
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: world of the show revolves around you. Yeah. So they're
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: reverent towards you. It's like, it's, it's a little weird.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And that's new for me too. You know,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: I'd never been in anything that was like a massive
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: hit before Yellowstone. And now at this new show, now
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: it's a hit and I'm the number one on the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: call sheet, which is very new. And so I'm like a,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm an asset to them in a different way. It
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: would be interesting navigating that.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: They'll probably try to talk you out of doing Jiu-Jitsu.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I probably have to sign something that I won't.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to ski. There's a lot of things
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: because of the insurance. If I get hurt and production
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: has to shut down, it's a lot of money for them. Yeah.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if that's one of them, though. But, yeah, skiing.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Don't ask.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: It's funny because horseback riding usually is, and I have.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: To do that for the show. That's the most dangerous. Yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Horseback riding scares the shit out of me.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Dude, me too. It was not. It didn't come natural.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: or had done before Yellowstone.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: California and she fell a couple of times. And one
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: time she hurt her wrist really bad. And I was like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: please stop. Don't do this. Because she was doing those
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: things where you'd like jump over stuff.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so dangerous. Because they stop. Just shy of
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: that thing and you go flying.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Her friend, she had a good friend that
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: was really into it and they started doing it together.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: And I was like, please don't. And she fell a
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: couple of times and she was okay. But one time
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: she really hurt her wrist. And I was like, please stop.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Because your wrist, they can fix. Your neck, you get
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: like Christopher Reeves, you know.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I get
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: on a list.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: I believe it. I wish I didn't. That was what
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: he did, right? He was doing the jumping thing, right?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Was it? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: I don't– yeah. I don't get it.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Do you ride motorcycles?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: No. No.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Almost did. Almost did. Taking lessons. Me and a couple
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: of the other guys that worked on the crew at
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Fear Factor, we all took motorcycle lessons together. We were
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: all talking about it. And so we took motorcycle safety courses.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: You're basically riding like– it's kind of like a dirt
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: bike and they teach you how to shift and all
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: this stuff. And I kind of got into it. I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: was like, ooh, this is really fun. And then– Three
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: of my friends had motorcycle accidents within a short time period.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: One of them wiped out, fucked up his shoulder. The
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: other one got hit by a car, broke his leg.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: And then the other one was actually someone saw someone.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident. He was there when
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: some guy got rear-ended. buy a car that wasn't paying
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: attention and just plowed into him and sent him flying
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and fuck this guy up. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: I had a bike for a couple of months in
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: LA and, uh, I went on a ride and you know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: it's like one of those things you, you have to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: have the bug. You're like either have it or you don't.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: I was trying to get the bug. I, cause I
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: wanted that to be a part of my identity. I
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles. So I
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: rode up the Pacific coast highway and I was kind
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: of riding up through like, Oh, hi. And going around
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: this corner, you know, this sort of like cliffside and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: that thing where if you stare at something, that's where
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: you're going to go. And I just kind of was
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: like zoned out and I almost ate shit right into
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: the side of this cliff. And I was alone. Like
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: if I would have done it, it would have been
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: forever until anyone figured out like what had happened to me.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: You know, and I kind of, it was a really,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: really close call. And I got off the bike and
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: I kind of sat there for a minute and I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I don't love it enough to die
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: this way. You know what I mean? I don't need
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: this in my life. And I never, never did it again.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I have friends that have never had a problem. I
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: have friends that ride bikes and have never had a problem.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Because there's just not that much traffic.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: No, but my 70-year-old neighbor just hit a deer.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Seven years old on his, like, you know, one of
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: the BMW, like, adventure bikes.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: And he was going 70 on the highway and hit
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: a deer. Yeah. And he's fine, dude. This guy's a tank.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: How old was he?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: 70.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Killed the deer. He had road rash everywhere and he
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: was kind of, like, You know, on the couch for
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: a few weeks.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: And he's fine?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Dude, he is a tank. This guy, they make him
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: different out there, dude. He's my next door neighbor.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: He's amazing.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Shout out Steve.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: He's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: And has every firearm imaginable and things you didn't even
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: know they made. And so anytime I can just, you know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: ride over there in the side by side, we grab
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: a few and go down and shoot in the back.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice. That's cool.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: You find people like that in Montana. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: He's the real deal.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Wow, but 70 years old, hitting a deer is crazy
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: on a bike.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, killed the deer. And about a month later, he
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: was all right. He was back on the bike.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Jeez. I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer. Like,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: you see, like, from their camera. And you see this
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: thing leap in front of the road, then bang. And
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: you see. Yeah. Yeah. Deers, they're everywhere out here, man.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: When I'm driving home, I drive slow. There's like a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: certain road near my house where they just pop out
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: all the suicidal deer. Yeah. Just pop out, especially like
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: around the rut. Yeah. The bucks are chasing the does.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: They're not chasing straight. They're just out there like fucking
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: pussy hungry, standing in the road, staring at you.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I love explaining to people how the rut works. Because
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: it works just like humans. I'm like, the only time
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: they're dumb enough that you're going to get one is
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: when they're horny.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Right. But for them, it's once a year, which is
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: way crazier than us.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if it all came on at once?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: vacation during that time. I'm like, I'm hiding. I don't
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: want to be anywhere near. It would probably be like.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Murders, car accidents. Lock me in jail for that month
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Like get a bunker. Get a bunker and lock down
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: with Netflix for a month. Fuck that. There is no way, man.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: That would be crazy. Imagine if the whole world had
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: their rut at the same time. Oh, my God.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: That's a good movie idea.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: great movie idea.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Just call it The Rut.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like human beings evolve or maybe there's like genetic
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: engineering because they decided there's overpopulation and the solution to
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: it is only have people breed at a certain time.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: And also like keep people from being distracted all the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: time because like how many people are on dating apps
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: and how many people are like, you know, Going to
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: bars and trying to find someone. It's like it's a
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: huge waste of your time.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. My 20s and 30s were just blown
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: because of it. It's all I thought about.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Massive, massive waste of your time. If there was like
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: a solution to that, the solution would be like everyone's
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: only going to breed only during November.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the best thing ever. It would be great
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: if there was like a switch you could flip. Like
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: a little boy, you flip it and then go out.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: And figure it out. And then the rest of the year,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: you don't even care about girls.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Because so productive, man.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Bucks just walk by a female doe in fucking June.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: They don't give a shit about her.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And they don't have their antlers, so they look the same.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I mean?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: They lose their masculinity entirely.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. They get it back pretty quick. Those
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: fucking things grow quick. It's like they fall off within
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: a month or two. They start growing nubs.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the planet?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: I think elk is. Because that's nuts. I mean, you
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: look at a 400-inch elk, like some of those antlers
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: that are out there. Imagine that that grows in a
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: couple of months.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: It's bone. It's crazy.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: And they fight to the death with it.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: We find elk that have been killed by other elk.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: It happens all the time.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Have you hunted in Montana? Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Not elk. I've hunted mule deer in Montana and pheasant
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the time I went with Bourdain.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: I'd never done elk until I moved up there. I
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: started hunting whitetail when I was like 10, like really young,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: because we have big whitetail in Ohio. And I thought
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: hunting elk would be similar.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: And boy, was I mistaken.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Bro, it is. Were you bow hunting or rifle hunting?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: And we went out there, we were camping out there.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Me and I just made friends with this, the contractor
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: that built my house in Montana. And he took me,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: we went public land around Dillon, Montana. And we went
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: for a week and I had to tap out day four.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: Like I couldn't, my legs stopped working. I didn't, I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: was like, I didn't know I had, it was like this.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: So the next year I went, I was like prepared
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: for it, but I didn't know, man, you really got
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: to go for it.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got to get in shape.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of shit before September. I do.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I have this crazy routine that I do on an
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: airdyne bike. I do these Tabatas on an airdyne bike
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: where you sprint for 20 seconds.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: You rest for 10. You sprint for 20 seconds. The worst.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: getting over a hill to get a shot. I mean,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: and then I do, like, box step-ups. I do all
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: these different things with weighted vests and farmer's carries with
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: fucking heavy kettlebells. All I'm doing is just trying to
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: condition my legs.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: You have to, like, those mountains are brutal. There's no
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: mountains here for me to practice on.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: But in California, I used to run hills with my dog.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: And you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: And a weird thing people wouldn't expect is like just,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: you know, makes it even worse. You get up in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the morning, it's zero degrees. Middle of the day, it's 50, 60.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: And you're hiking all day. So it's like, how do
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: you dress for that?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: You have to dress to be cold.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Like once you start walking, you have to be cold.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Like you got to get down to your base layer
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: and walk cold. And then if you ever have to stop,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: then you put it on. And the other key, merino wool.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: That's the key. Because wool is different than cotton. If
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: your cotton gets wet and then you're sweaty and then
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: you get cold, you're fucked.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: But wool's not like that. Merino wool is the best
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: because like if you have especially a base layer, because
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a little cool.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: And then if you get cold, it doesn't feel cold. Yeah.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Because it's not synthetic. It's organic.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Makes sense.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a weird fiber. Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: We used to walk to the deer stand kind of
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: in half of our stuff, keep the other half in
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: a pack. And then like once I got in the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: tree stand, I'd put everything else on so that the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: sweat wouldn't freeze to you.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: That's hard. Deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: It's like a silent retreat, and you're freezing.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're freezing, and you're sitting up there waiting for
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: a deer to walk by, and then you're so cold
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: that when a deer walks by, you go to pull
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: your bow back. You're like, oh, Jesus.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Like, why am I so weak?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: Like, you can barely pull your bow back when you're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: up in the tree.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but nothing. I mean, no challenge whatsoever compared to Alconi.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: That blew my mind how hard that was. And the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: guy I went with, you know, he grew up in Montana.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: He's like a mountain goat. I just couldn't keep up
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: with this guy, man. I'm like, how do you do this?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Just constant all day long.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: You can't just get off your couch and go elk
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: on the mountains. You can't do it.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: No, you got to get in shape.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: My friend Cam Haynes, that's why he started running. He
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: became an ultra runner.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing like 250 miles stuff, right?
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does like these three-day runs.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: He tried to get you into that? Have you done
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: any of that?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: No chance. I have one knee that sucks. I have
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: one knee that I fucked up in martial arts. It's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: missing meniscus, and I cracked it skiing, too. I wiped
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: out skiing, got a fracture at the top of my tibia.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: It's like if I started running, it would get beat
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: up real bad.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: But I do. There's plenty of conditioning you could do
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: without running, but it's the pounding of running. It's not
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: good for my knee.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: There's something so amazing, though, about getting to that first
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: thing in the morning when your son's coming up and
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: you're glassing And you're just like, this is what I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: always wanted hunting to be like. Yeah. It's the real thing.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: You're so far out there. You know, I didn't get
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: to go the last couple of years. My wife was
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: having our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: to be in the woods with no service. And then
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: last year I was shooting the show, but this year
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to go. I got a
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: good spot. And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: it's right there.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they have phones now that have satellite service. Does
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: T-Mobile have that now where you can get Starlink on
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: your phone? I know they're doing that soon. And you
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: can text message with iPhones. I've done that in the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: middle of the woods. And you know what the best
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: thing is, man? When we were in Utah last year,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: the last two years, I've had a Starlink Mini. It
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: is the shit. It's like the size of an iPad.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: You just lay it down on the ground. You use
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: the app. And the Starlink app will tell you which
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: way to point it to. And you get high-speed internet.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: I have one for when we shoot. It's incredible. Because
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: we're in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: It's so awesome.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: It's the best.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: It's so good. Here it is. T-Satellite. Yeah. That's the shit, man. Yeah.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: So you can... Can you make phone calls? Or is
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: it just internet? It's phone calls too, right? Texting and
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: select satellite-ready apps. Okay, just texting? satellite servers including text
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: to 911 may be delayed limited or unavailable so you
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: can just text and some satellite ready apps right now
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: so that's like everywhere that's cool yeah so eventually they'll
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: have it'll be like Starlink will be connected to your
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: phone and you'll be able to get high speed internet
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: everywhere in the world if we don't have World War
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: 3 blow everybody up but there's the elk hunting thing
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: that the The thing that makes it all the more
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: exciting is like they're moving around. You got to sneak
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: up in on them. You're playing the wind. And then
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: the sound they make when they're screaming. And you hear it.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: You're like, if you never knew what that was, you
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: would think there's demons in the woods. Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Demons are like T-Rex. Right. It's crazy.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: The sound is so incredible. It's so incredible. And it's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: so hard to do. It's like that to me is
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I love like every year
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: because– Everything goes away. It's so difficult. It's so difficult
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: to get in shape for it. So difficult to manage
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: your way into the mountains and and to be in
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: shape to be able to do it day after day
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: and then to be able to pull off a shot.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: You know, like, you know, like you have this brief moment,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: the thing 65 yards away and you draw back. Yeah.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Trying to settle your pin.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: And you could have done all of that just to like.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: mess it up yeah one little tiny yeah it.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Happens all the time but when you're successful oh my
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: god it's the greatest feeling of all time and then
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: when you're eating it and you're you know you're at
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk steaks
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: like I can't wait to do this again yeah it's
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: so exciting yeah and it's just but it's the being
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: out there it's like a vitamin it's like a vitamin
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: that you didn't know you needed it's like your whole
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: body's like oh this is so much better than regular life.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: You can't be mentally unwell No. It's like impossible.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. You just feel so much better. The air
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: is better. You know, it's like, and you're more focused.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: You're not distracted. And you just, you feel alive.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: And then it's also the majesty of nature. You're just
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: around these trees and mountains and you're catching all these
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: animals that are out there. And, you know, you see
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: eagles flying overhead. You're like, God.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: And like day three, you're like, I think I'm just
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: going to move out here.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to do this.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: And then you go back to real life and you're like, oh, yeah.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: I think that all the time. I think that all
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: the time that I like to live in the mountains.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: My wife is not down with it, but I love it. Yeah.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: I might get a place somewhere one day in the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: mountains just to retreat, just to be able to just disconnect,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: shut off for a while. I think that's probably a
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: good idea.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I love it. I wonder, though, now that I have
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: a kid, like we're going to have to start thinking about,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: you know, school for him and stuff. And there's really not.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't, you know. Once we
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: get there, we'll figure that out. But we're going to
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: probably have to get somewhere closer to some people.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Doesn't Bozeman have good schools? No. What are you near?
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: What's the town you're near? I'm about an hour south
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: To go home. Missoula has good schools, right?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: University.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: But I'd have to move closer to Missoula. And at
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: that point, I'm like, why don't I just move to
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a city, I guess.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Ew. I know.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: I think the move might be getting somewhere— you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: a little more populated and then keeping like a cabin
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: in Montana, like you were talking about, you know, and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: then taking him out there whenever we can. That'd probably
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: be the thing.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Do you have a place in your house where you record?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Do you have like a little recording studio or anything?
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like just for me to record demos to send
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: to people to actually record just to be like this
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: is something I've been working on or, you know, kind
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: of a setup like one of these and a computer. But, yeah,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: I do a lot of writing up there. It's a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: great place to write songs.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: How do you write? Do you write on paper or
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: do you just start strumming and.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: It's different every time. Sometimes I'll have like a, it'll,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: it'll be a melody. Uh, it'll be a guitar riff.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: It could be like a lyrical idea, some sort of hook,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: you know, it comes in a lot of different ways.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: And then sometimes I'll finish something on my own. Sometimes
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: writers that I like. And, you know, we'll kind of
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: like banging out together. And that's the coolest part of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: the process, man. There's something about Making something out of
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. It's like addicting, you know?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's really cool. Yeah, jokes are similar in a way,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: I bet. I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like creating something out of your mind.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden it's a thing, and then you're
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: performing it in front of people.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I've heard you talk about this, and
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: any good creative person talk about this, but it comes
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: to you. You can't really take credit for a good idea.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: I'll just be driving and be like, whoa, where'd that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: come from? Whatever that is, give me more of it.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Michael Pollan about that yesterday. We
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: were talking about consciousness. And we were talking about how
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: it just seems like you're not doing it. It's just
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: coming out of the ether. And you just have to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: show up and receive it. And if you show up
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: enough and you pay homage to the muse... And sit there.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Do you ever read War of Art? Steven Pressfield book?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: I got a box of copies. I'll give you a
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: copy of it out there. He always gets– well, I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: bought a box of copies. I bought a bunch of
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: them and I used to hand them out to comedians
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: and artists when I was on the show. I was like,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: just listen to me. You got to read it. It's
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: a really small book. It's easy. But it's one of
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: the best books ever about creativity. And it essentially just–
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: he tells you if you treat it like there is
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: a muse, like there is a god, a goddess that
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: will give you ideas– As long as you pay respect
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: to the muse, you have to show up on time
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: every day, sit there and do it. And some days
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: you get nothing, but you just got to keep showing up,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: keep showing up and trust in that process. And eventually
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my God, this idea is so good. Yeah.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Where did it come from?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: Where did it come from?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: When I'm, when I'm, when I'm in a really good spot,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually taking care of myself, sleeping,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: I get more of those.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: And I know there's this like mysticism around like people
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: who like, you know, Ernest Thompson or someone like that
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: who just kind of spent a lot of time being
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: fucked up and they still get it. That never worked
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: out really well for me. I've tried it. Trust me.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: It's not great.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: With those guys, they're trying to get out of their
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: own head. You know, they're just trying to get blasted
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: so they could just like just release themselves from their
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: life and then just obliterated. Just start writing.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: And then the muse starts talking to them.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: But Hemingway or there's a lot of guys like, Oh yeah.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Had to be sort of a little messed up.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Stephen King.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: To do the thing. That's right.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. His book on writing is fantastic too. It's called
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: On Writing. Stephen King.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: I read that one.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's great, right?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: It's really good.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: He was obliterated. Like most of his great work, most
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: of the great stuff out of his fucking mind on
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: And some of those guys, like once they stop doing it,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: they lose the thing. And I don't have to name names,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: but like, Him. There's some artists I love that they
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: kind of got clean.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: And you're like, where'd the thing go?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: Which is unfortunate.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens with comics too.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Does it?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Some of them, though, get better. Like Dave Attell got
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: way better when he quit drinking.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't always, it doesn't have to be that. But
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: for a lot of them, like that crutch, whatever it
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: is that connects them to the creativity, once they eliminate
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: that part and try to keep, try to stay alive, essentially,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: like Stephen King was like, killing himself, but his later
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: work is just not comparable.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: What's your process like writing jokes? Like how does that
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: start for you? Like how do you, it, uh, it, it.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Is a, it's, there's some ideas that just come to
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: me out of the middle of nowhere. Like I'll be
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: just hanging out and then I have an idea or
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I'm driving in my car and I have an idea
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: and I just have to write it down. And then
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting down and like what am I writing about?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: I'm writing about immigration. Okay, let me fucking– and I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: write in essay form. So I don't try to write
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: like a stand-up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: that never works. But what does work is if I
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: lose myself in just ruminating on an idea and just
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: explore it from every different angle– And then I'll find
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: one paragraph. I might write 2,000 words and I'll find
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: one paragraph. I'm like, that's it. And I'll take that
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: out and I'll put it in there and I'll try
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: to introduce it on stage. And then I try to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: figure out how to segue into it. And then I
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: try to figure out how to expand on it. And
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: at that one paragraph and go, what else? Like, what else?
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: What's the other angle? Like, what if I was not
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: like that? How do I feel about if I was
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: on the other side of that? What if I'm the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: person that's going through this? And what if I'm this
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: and that? And then I'll try to just try that.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: And it's like I always describe it as like you're
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: a time. And it's a long and– and then sometimes
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: it's not. Some jokes just come to you in full form. Oh, wow.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: Like the way I wrote it is the way I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: say it and it's perfect. But that's– you can't count
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: on that either.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't think they're mine. They're just coming
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: from somewhere. The key is just showing up. That's the key.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Or some guys don't like a computer. They want a notepad.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: They want pen and paper. They like it better that way,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: and I get it. But for me, I can type.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have to look at the keys. I
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: can touch type. So for me, I can write a
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: word out as fast as I'm thinking it, which is
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: way better for me than writing down because I write
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: slower than I type. And so I want to be
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: able to get it all out. I want to, to me,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, it doesn't, and then I write it on
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: paper eventually. But when I first write it, I want
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: to write it down on a computer because I can
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: capture it quicker.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: And you can cut and paste and move things to
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: another file and start fresh and like explore it again.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: This last album I did, we tried a really different
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: process than I'd done before. Usually you go into a studio,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of money behind it. You
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: got a big producer who has, you know, you're taking
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: up their time. You have everything ready to go. But
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: on this new one, we did every– there's only two
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: songs I had already written and eight out of the
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: ten songs we wrote either the day of or the
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: night before in the studio because I wanted to make
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: something as personal as possible because the subject matter is
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: stuff where I'm like if this is gimmicky or overthought,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: it's not– then I'm sort of trying to like capitalize
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: on grief or things I'm talking about.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: I want to go in and just be as open
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: as possible and just get what we get and just
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: that's the goal of country really, or it used to be.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, we would, um, we would cut and
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: then in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit and
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: try to write the song for the next day. And
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: if we didn't get it, we'd showed up early the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: next day and try to write the song for that day.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: And it was an amazing process. We called it the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: pressure cooker. Cause it was just like, you better get
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: something cause you're on the clock.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Man, I doubt I'll ever do that again. But what
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: a cathartic, amazing process. Because usually you'll write a song,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: you'll have a demo for it, something where you just
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: sit down and play guitar on your phone or something
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: so you'll remember the melody, remember the chords. And you
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: listen to it so much that you get sick of
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: it before you've ever even cut it. And with this,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: there was never a demo. It was straight from heart, brain, tape.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: It was pretty special.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for pressure like that.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Where it forces you. It forces you to come up
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: with something.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: The pressure cooker, man. We just, we had to, you know,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: it was, it was amazing.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just like forces your synapses to fire. Yeah. There's
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: something to be said for that. Like there's a, that's
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: the thing about comedy too. When you, when you have
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: a new bit, like part of the thing is like,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: take that bit when it's not really done yet and
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: just throw it out there in front of a crowd
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: and find the beats, find where it is. And sometimes
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: have a new idea. Like, what the fuck is this? Like,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: why are we doing? And then that'll be the biggest
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: part of the joke. Like everybody will laugh harder at
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: that part than anything else. And it just comes to
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: you because you're under pressure. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: there's something about forcing your brain to do things like
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: forcing your, like you just like, you like, you have
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: to do it. Like you can't just dilly dally, no procrastination.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: It's right there right now. Let's go.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, cause you're, You're directly connected to whatever
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: the thing is.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: It's like a flow state.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: And then there's stuff that just comes to me. Like
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: John Mellencamp told me he wrote Hurt So Good in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: the shower. Really? It was just in the shower. Come on, babe,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: you make it hurt so good. And he's like, it
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: was done.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: Best shower ever.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Crazy. Sometimes love don't feel like it should. Watch his armpits.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: It was cool. He was an interesting guy to talk to, man.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Fucking dude just chain smokes. He's in his 70s just
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: chain smoking. He was so happy he could smoke in here.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you're not going to quit that ever?
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is what he said. He goes, find
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: something you love and let it kill you.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if I'll let that one kill me.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: That's a rough death, dude.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: That's a rough death, man.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: I've dealt with smoking for decades. I always promised my
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: wife that I would quit when we had our kid.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: And we're almost there. We're getting close.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: You got the nicotine pouches?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: I got the Zins.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Do those help?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: They do help.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: It's a different delivery. When I have a drink, though,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: it's like I can't do one without the other. To
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: quit smoking, I'm going to have to quit drinking. Really?
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Have to. Wow.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: I just can't imagine one without the other. It's like
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: a package deal for me. But I'm okay to quit
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: drinking at some point. You've quit, right?
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I quit and then started again.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: You're back? I'm back.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: I quit for like eight months. I didn't miss it.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: But then when I had a couple glasses of wine
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: with dinner, I was like, ooh, I like this. This
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: is nice.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of missed it.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: How was that first sort of hangover?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't get hungover. I haven't gotten drunk. I haven't
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: gotten hungover since.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: And I've only been drinking again. And even when I do,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: it's rare. Like, I don't. drink every night I go
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: on stage I might have like a drink before I
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: go on stage or I'll have a drink with dinner
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: or maybe a second glass of wine but that's it
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't been drunk that's perfect yeah the getting drunk
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: is the problem yeah and the real problem with me
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: was like I was I own this comedy club and
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: I was with my friends and they're all animals and
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: And they're all just like, let's do shots. And we'd
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: go downstairs to Mitzi's bar and we'd be doing shots together.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: We'd have so much fucking fun. And then I'd wake
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: up in the morning to work out like, oh, fuck.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: And I was just hurting. So I'd be guzzling water
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: and electrolytes and I'd get in the cold plunge. And
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: it was just this struggle to try to get back
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: to normal. Yeah. And I'm like, I hate that. I
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: don't like that. Yeah. But I don't feel that with
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: a glass of wine. I have a glass of wine
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: or two and I feel great the next day. It
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: does not. It doesn't bother me at all. As long
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: as I drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: night's sleep, I feel totally normal in the morning.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: Getting drunk is the problem.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: It is fun though.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: It's the best.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Getting drunk is so much fun.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Getting drunk with buddies.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, the best.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: It's the best.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite things is like going to a
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: bar in the middle of the day and meeting everyone
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever. And
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: just like, getting to know people I would never have
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: talked to to begin with, because why would we talk?
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: I love that. But again, I'm 42 now and the
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: hangovers are starting to, to really smart, you know? So
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: it's not, it's not really worth the price of admission anymore.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: It's, it's not worth it when you get aware of
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: your body, especially if you're a person like, you know,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I work out all the time and I'm 58 now.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: So as you get older, it's like most people at
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: 58 are Half dead. They're kind of falling apart. And
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: I've managed to stay healthy and fit. And I don't
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: want to fuck that up just for booze. But, you know,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard when you're with buddies and
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: they want to do shots. Like Shane Gillis is the worst.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: He's the devil. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's like,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: come on, we're doing shots.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: Fuck. How can you not get drunk with that guy?
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: He's like the most fun ever.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: And you're having so much fun. When you're drinking with him,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: it is just like, Your face is red. You can't breathe.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone's laughing. You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing. And it's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: just like you call each other the next day. Like,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Oh, my God, I'm dead. Like,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of times where we went out drinking
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: and we have a gym here. And, you know, we'd
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: have these comedian workouts the next day. And he'd be like, dude,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: I can't make it. I'm like, come on, pussy. You
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: made me drink last night. But he's just he's the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: life of the fucking party, man. And it's just. It's fun,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: but it comes at a cost.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: That cost is rough, man.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: Especially with the kid now and him being the age
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: he is. It's just nothing makes you feel like a
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: bigger piece of shit than being hung over in front
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: of your baby.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: And you're just like, sorry, dude.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm your dad. I'm sorry. Right. Your kids want
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: to play. I'm going to just sit here.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not all right.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though. Glutathione
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: Glutathione actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker. So
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of strategies if you're a drunk. A
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: lot of workarounds. Yeah. Liposomal glutathione in high doses is
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: really good. Electrolytes are huge. Like a lot of the
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: hangover feeling. There's two things that are going on. One
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: is that's why they say like hair of the dog
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: that bit you because you're actually craving more alcohol. That's
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: why people like Bloody Marys the day after they're hungover.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: That's not a great strategy, but it really does do
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: a little something. But electrolytes are huge because another part
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: of it is you're just dehydrated. Your brain is dried out.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: It's a dried out sponge because you're out getting hammered
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: the night before. So you got to drink a lot
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: of water. A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: Damme once, and he said it was nuts. He goes,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: he's so disciplined. He said the dude had a gallon
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: of water with him, like a jug of water.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: Like people take to the gym.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: And with every shot he would take, he would fucking
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: chug water. And he just was just super concerned with
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: keeping his body hydrated while he was boozing.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Got to do what you got to do, man.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, credit to him.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: This is the way to go. He goes, I never
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: saw anybody do that before. I'm like, well, look at
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: the guy.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: Kind of makes sense.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: Have you interviewed him in here?
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: That'd be a good one.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun. He's kind of crazy. He keeps talking
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: about having a fight and coming back. Oh, damn. Bro,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: you're like 70. Yeah.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's just a little nuts. He's also, he's
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder. Uh-huh. And I think,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes guys get ideas.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: That aren't really tenable.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: Thank God I never had the taste for that.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: I never even tried it.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: Have you never?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: Definitely done it, but it's just, yeah. I have friends
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: that they can't have a drink without wanting to go
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: get a bag, and I'm like.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: And those guys have to get sober, like stone-cold AA sober,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: because they'll disappear.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: Well, they'll also die today, because you can get a
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: bad bag, and it's got fentanyl in it, you know?
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I just never... It's like five
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: minutes of feeling good for, like, three days of feeling terrible.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: It's not... It doesn't pencil out for.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Me, man. I got lucky that when I was a
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: kid in... high school I had a friend and his
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: cousin got addicted to coke and I watched what happened
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: to him he was selling it too and I watched
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: him completely fall apart it was like it was like
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: he had been haunted like something had taken over his
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: body like a parasite he lost all his weight he
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: got super pale he got real sketchy and weird and
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: would just hang out in his apartment and they would
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: just watch TV and do coke all day it was
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: nuts it was horrible it was dark and I was
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: a loser That was my number one fear when I
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: was a kid. I don't want to be a loser.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: And so like, I'm like, okay, stay away from drugs.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: Cause that, that'll turn you into a loser.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: There's sort of like, there's some sort of gift in
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: like having some ambition.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Like wanting to be somebody. Yeah. You know, they can
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: come with, uh, there's pros and cons to that. But
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: one of the big pros is like anytime anything would
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: get a little too dark. And I realized I was
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: losing my grasp on like what I was after, you know,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: professionally or whatever. I would, uh, I would course correct
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: pretty quick.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: just about whatever is fun. And what's fun is continuing
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: to chase whatever high or whatever drunk or whatever it
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: is that your demons are. Yeah. That's rough. I've seen
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people lose their life that way. I mean,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: they lose their direction. They lose everything. You know, it's
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: just substances can be fun, but they can take over. Yeah.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: And they can become your whole fucking life. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: not good. No. Yeah, I'm so happy I avoided Coke.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: But I am interested.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: We're too late, dude.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: When I heard Hunter Thompson, not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: excuse me, talk about smoking crack, he did this interview
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: where he was talking about how amazing smoking crack is.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, maybe I could.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: Try it once.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody try it once, though.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: No, that's famous last words, man.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: No one's done it once.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody who tries it gets hooked. It seems
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: like that's a problem.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: Must be pretty awesome.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: It's got to be the best thing ever.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: And he said, like, it's way better than cocaine. Like,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: the guy who's interviewing him, what's that guy's name again?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: Andrew Callahan? When he was interviewing him, he was like,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: what is the difference? And he explained, like, the delivery method, like,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: how it affects you. It's so much different. Like, the
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: difference between, like, a Zin pouch and a cigarette. Cigarette
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: hits you way different.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: Than a Zin.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: Cigarette's, like, instantly, like, oh.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Apparently that's what coke's like, smoking it. It was Richard Pryor, too.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was essentially smoking crack. They didn't call
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: it crack back then. They called it freebasing.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: Heroin, too, is another one. It's like those are the
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: two big ones they tell you when you're like, you
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: do this once, you're done.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Your whole life's over. Yeah. I would imagine. Yeah. I've
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: known people that have tried heroin once and be like,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: I can't do this again. It was too awesome. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: I do that with like painkillers and stuff. You know,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: I've been prescribed and I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: I had a knee operation. I do that. I have
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: multiple knee operations. The first one I had was in
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: the 90s. And they gave me a morphine drip. And
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: they give you a button. and you can press the
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: button to get more morphine when you needed it. Oh,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: my God. I hammered that button. I was lying in
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: this bed and my knee had just been cut open
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: like a fish and there's screws in there. And my
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: ACL had been reconstructed. And I was on this perpetual
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: motion machine. So the idea is to keep your knee
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens your
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: leg out and brings it back and straight. So I'm
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: lying in this bed. My leg is– and I'm hammering
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: that button. I was so happy. I was like, I
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: get it now. I get it. But that was only once, luckily.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: And they didn't give me– they gave me some painkillers afterwards.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: I think they gave me Percocets, but they were so–
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: I took– whatever the dose was, and I only did
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: it once. It was so bad. I felt so dumb
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: and so dull and so stupid. I'd rather be in pain.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: So I sold all my pills to this dude at
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: the pool hall. I gave him my pills. I'm like, T.R.,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: you can buy these from me.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: One of my buddies was telling me he's in the military,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case he
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: ever got shot, and you just pull it out, and
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: the moment you start sucking on it, it's just like
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: a morphine high. I was like, I kind of want
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: to get those to fly with. Because wouldn't that be awesome? Like,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: if the plane's going down, you just start sucking on
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: that thing, you'd be fine.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just put on the headphones. Do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: It'd be amazing, dude. Anytime I fly over the ocean,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I freak out. I don't like the idea.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: It's actually now a fentanyl lollipop. Oh. So.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it was. Gotta be strong. Either way, though,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: wouldn't that be, I mean, that's like, biggest fear, number one,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: is plane going down.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: Because you have, like, Five minutes to think about it,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: and you're hearing, like, everyone's screaming, everyone knows they're going
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: to die, too, and you're stuck in this tube with
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: a bunch of strangers knowing they're going to die for
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: five minutes. I mean, that is hell on earth to me.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine anything worse.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: That's a rough one. I think getting eaten by a
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: bear might be worse because there's no one around you.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: I wonder, though, for the bear thing, if you're in
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: so much shock, like, are you feeling it? I bet
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: you are. You think so?
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: Especially if they start legs first. Because the thing about
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: bears is they don't kill you. They just start eating you.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: Like a salmon. They don't kill a salmon. They just
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: hold it down and pull chunks off of it.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yikes.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: Apparently, that movie Grizzly Man, the audio was so bad
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: burn it. Because they had a cop. The guy's Timothy Treadwell,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: his ex-girlfriend. Got a hold of the camera. So the camera,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: apparently the lens cover was on, but the camera was running. Oh, right.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that. He listens to it in the documentary.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: He's like, burn this. Don't let anyone listen.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: Would you listen if given the chance? Oh, yeah. I
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: think I would listen. Yeah, everybody would listen. And then
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: I'd hate myself for having to.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: There's a fake version of it online.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: I've heard that.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not real, though. It's pretty obvious that it's fake,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: but people believe it's real. But it goes on for
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: five minutes. Oof. Five minutes is a long time. Like,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: think of a round, an MMA round. It's five minutes.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: And all that time, you're just getting chunks pulled out.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Of your body.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Alberta. Yeah, it was very scary. And it
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't a big one. It was like a six-foot bear.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: But it looked at me so different than any other animal. Like,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of black bear. And black bear
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: look at you like this, like. What are you doing
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: over there? They look at you sideways and they're like,
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: I want to get out of here. Grizzly looks at
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: you like this.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: Like locks on you. Yeah. Like, am I going to
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: eat you? And I was with my friend Jen. She's
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: a guide up there. Jen and John, they run a
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: hunting outfit up in Alberta. And as soon as she
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: saw it, she screamed. She screamed, get the fuck out
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: of here. Shh, shh. Racks her shotgun, cracks a stick
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: against the tree to scare it off, and then we
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: immediately bailed. We're like, let's get the fuck out of here.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen one. Don't want to.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: They see big ones up there sometimes. And John, her husband,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: he sprayed one. He was in a tree stand, and
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: he sprayed it with pepper spray, and the thing didn't
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: even react. He's like, you think you're going to, oh,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: bear spray. I'm like, shh. And it was like, fuck you. Yeah.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: It's just like this fucking nine foot bear, this huge
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: wild dog, you know, this fucking immense, super powerful thing
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: that can run 45 miles an hour.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: Apex. Fuck that, man. There's, they're terrifying. Montana's got a
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: ton of them. Yeah.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio is like
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: in the woods and it's dark and you're walking through
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: the first time that, that, bowhunt i was telling you
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: about i you know you bring a sidearm when you
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: all you have is a bow in case you do
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: see some mountain lion or something grizzly bear and my
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: buddy was like what do you got on you and
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: i was like it's a nine millimeter he goes well
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: if you see one shoot yourself.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah you gotta bring a 45 i.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: Guess there's a there's a 10 millimeter with a special
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: round you can take but yeah nine millimeter bounce off.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're going to hurt him. I mean,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: you've hit him in the face. Maybe it'll do something.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: You're not even going to get through that skull, probably.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: No, they say it won't. It'll literally bounce off his skull.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's so crazy. And Cam hunts them with
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: a bow.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: Hunts grizzly bears?
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies with a bow.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: Does he hunt out of a tree? How do you
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: On the ground.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: No, dude.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: Spot and stalk. Oof.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: I'm good on that.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. And his attitude is, well,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: if this is how I go, this is how I go.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: I go doing what I love. He's got some crazy pictures.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: See if you can find some pictures of Cam with
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: a grizzly bear. He's got one where he killed this
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: massive one and he's holding up its paw. And its
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: paw is like as big as my torso.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: It's fucking huge.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's fucking huge. There's such a, some guy recently, I
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: I sent it to Cam. Oh, damn.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: Look at that paw.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Look at the claws.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: Look at the claws on that thing. No way. Yeah.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: And there's a photo of him with the bear on
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: the ground. Click on that. Look at the size of
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: that fucking thing, man.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: Do you know what state he's hunting in?
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: That was in Alaska. That's the only state you can
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: hunt them.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say it's probably illegal in Montana.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: It's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason. It
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be in like Wyoming and Montana. It's gotten
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: to the place where they really probably shouldn't.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: I would imagine. I mean, I don't think so. I
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: think the real problem is once they're not listed, it's
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: very difficult to get them on a list, you know,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: to get tags allocated for them. There's the video of
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: him shooting it.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: Look at the size of that fucking thing.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. What if it just right there
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: gets pissed off?
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: It can. Well, there's a guy right behind him with
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: a gun. There's a guy right behind him with a rifle,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: which is also weird. Like anytime you're bow hunting and
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: a guy has to have a rifle, I think you
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: should probably just use a rifle. Right. This is my perspective.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: Just wait a few months.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: would definitely bring a rifle. I just don't see myself
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: doing that. But I know a lot of my friends have.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: And you have to kill a certain number of them
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: just to keep the populations of the moose and the
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: elk and everything else in check because otherwise there's nothing
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: going to stop them. And then you have a situation
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: like you have in Montana or like you have in
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: Wyoming where there's a lot of interactions with people. People
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: wind up dying. And there's no fear because in Alaska,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: they're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: And that's the better relationship.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: The relationship where they have zero fear of people, that's
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: not good. And that is Montana, and that is Wyoming,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: and that is Idaho. Look at that guy. So is
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: this the largest one? 1,600 pounds. It's the second biggest
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: ever taken by a hunter. It's 1,600 pounds. Look at
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: the fucking size of that thing. Dude, that's terrifying. Yeah.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: Good Lord. That is immense.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 4: Have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: Ohio recently?
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: A bunch.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 4: I kind of think it's someone fucking with people, obviously.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: But maybe not.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What are they seeing? Are there bears?
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: There's bears in Ohio, I guess.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: There are. And there are black bears in Ohio. And
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: they do walk upright sometimes.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: It's probably a dude in a suit, man.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: It's probably meth. I've seen various sizes.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: I've seen up to like 11 down to 8 feet.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're just guessing. You don't know how big
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: a thing is. You have a fucking tape measure. Excuse me, Mr. Bigfoot.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: Stand still for a moment here. Okay, stand up straight.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: Put this under your heel.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wish so bad. I had a dude at
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: a show last night who told me his dad was
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson Gimlin footage.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, so his dad was that guy.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like we know now that it can't be
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: real because of how many trail cameras there are in
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: the world. We would have seen him a few times.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: I've never met a hunter that's seen one, including guys
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time. Although
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: I did a show back in the day with my
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: friend Duncan where we went looking for Bigfoot. We went
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: to the places where Bigfoot's normally– It's a person in
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: an island. A person in a Sasquatch costume. obviously.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: No pictures, please.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: probably someone fucking around. Six different sightings. March 6th, 7th,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: and 9th, and 10th. Wow. All different people? Yeah. Huh. Boy,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: I hope it's real. It would be awesome.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: That's what I'd also be like. Maybe it's just a
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: group of friends that are high. I'm like, you know,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 4: we're going to do every night for the next fucking week.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: We're all going to call this fucking number and see
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: what happens.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: Or we're going to run around the woods. But that's
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: a good way to get shot. Like some crazy dude
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: is like, I'm going to prove Bigfoot's real.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: And he just fucking blasts you.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: Don't do it during hunting season.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: Big mistake.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: I think it used to be a real thing. That's
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: what I think.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot?
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: You think it was actually here at some point? Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's too many Native American words for it.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Native Americans, I think, we looked this up, didn't they?
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: They have dozens of names that different tribes have for
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: the same thing, a big, hairy wild man that lives
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: in the woods. I think it was a gigantopithecus. I
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: think at one point in time it was a real creature.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Have they found any bones or anything?
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the gigantopithecus bones. They've only found them in Asia.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: They've never found them in North America. But when the
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: Bering Land Bridge was attached— A lot of animals came
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: across from Asia and made their way into North America
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest. And a
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: lot of people have seen them in Alaska. Alaska is
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: like a hotbed for sightings too. I think those people
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: are cracked out. I think that's probably bears. But I
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: think the Native American stories, I think it's a thousands
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: and thousands of years old thing. I think way back
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: in the day. Like I was watching this guy named
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: Michael Button. He's been on the podcast before and he's–
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: A historian who really focuses on ancient civilizations and he
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: was doing this whole video on YouTube about how little
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: is left over, like how rare it is to make
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: a fossil. I think about how the dinosaurs were around
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: for literally like hundreds of millions of years and yet
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: we only have like thousands of fossils. What are the–
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: What's the possibility of a fossil existing from a civilization
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: like fossilized human being from a civilization 200,000 years ago?
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: It's almost none. Most things never become a fossil. It
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: And so we don't really know what animals did or
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: didn't live here other than fossilized ones. And that's a
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: tiny fraction of what we find. And so if there
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here–
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Because we know there was humans that were living in
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: North America. Now we know that they were here at
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: least as far back as 22,000 years. Because of White Sands,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: New Mexico, they found footprints. And then they do carbon
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: testing on the seeds and the different organic matter that's
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: in those footprints. And they get a carbon date of
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: like around 22,000 years, which is pretty crazy because they
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: used to think it was like 13,000 years ago. And
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: now they've pushed that back at least another nine years.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: And they think it's probably– These weren't the first. There's
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: probably people there even further than that. So if humans
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: were here, let's say they were here 50,000 years ago,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: that puts it in the timeline where Gigantopithecus could have
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: been alive. Because I think the fossils that they found
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: of Gigantopithecus are 100,000 years old, which is just fossils, right?
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: Like you never know. And they didn't find that until
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: the 1920s or 30s. They found teeth in an apothecary
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: shop in China. And this guy was there who was
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: an anthropologist. He's like, where did you get this? Because
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: they were primate teeth, but they were fucking huge. And
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: so then they took them to the place and they
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: found jaw bones and a few other pieces. And this thing,
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: they've determined because of the shape of the jaw bone
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: that it was bipedal. So it stood up on two
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: legs and it was like 8 to 10 feet tall.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: It was a giant primate that was in the orangutan species. Wow.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: So that could be Bigfoot. Yeah. That could be what
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: these people saw.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: So it probably existed in North America at one point
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: in time. But around the time of the Younger Dryas
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: impact theory, which is 11,800 years ago, somewhere around 65%
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: of all North American megafauna was eliminated. All the woolly mammoths,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: giant sloths, American lion. We had a lion that was
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: bigger than the African lion that was in North America.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: That Younger Dryas thing you're talking about, that's it. comet
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: hitting there?
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And that's what ended the ice age
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: and that's what created the great lakes. And that's what
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: melted all the ice that was, that covered most of
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: North America back then during the ice age.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: what happened?
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely debate, but, uh, there's a large group
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: of legitimate scientists that are a hundred percent convinced that
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: we were hit. It's a matter of what impact did
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: that have? And was that responsible? Cause there's a berserker
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: theory that The berserker theory is that humans just killed
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: off everything. We got so good at hunting. But the
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: problem with that theory is back then, there's not even
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: evidence that they had bow and arrow yet.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't be that good at it.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: No. Especially like the American lion and like mammoths and
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: the giant sloths. And there's so much shit that we
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: don't even know how many people were here back then.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: And this is like ice age people. Like with stone
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: tip spears? Yeah, I don't buy that. Did they kill
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: these things? All of them? They killed all of them? Right.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: They weren't even riding horses? They were just on foot? Like,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. It's much more likely that they
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: all were wiped out by this fucking comet. And if
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's my favorite one out of all of the like.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot's the best one.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: He's awesome. It's just, it would be a crazy thing
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: to see, you know? Have you ever heard the recordings
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings? No.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: I think they call them samurai recordings because it literally
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese. It sounds so fake.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: It sounds so fake. But these people are– there's groups
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: of people out there that you'll tell them this is
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: fake and they want to fight you.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're all in. They're so committed to Bigfoot. The
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: hunting– They're so possessed by it.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Where did you go? Where was that?
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. It was like right outside of Seattle up there.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: I met this lady that was really convincing. She said
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: that she saw this thing. She's like, why is there
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: a gorilla in the woods? And she's like, oh, my God,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: it's Bigfoot. And like she didn't seem kooky at all.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: But I think what she saw was a bear and
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: a bear standing– like black bears stand up on their
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: two legs and walk all the time. Especially if they
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: have a hurt paw, they'll walk on two legs. I
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: think she probably saw it. But Pacific Northwest is so
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: crazy because– I'm sure you've been up there, right? Yeah.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: The woods are so dense that it's like a box
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: of Q-tips. That's how I describe it.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't hardly see anything. So if you're seeing
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: some tall thing move between trees just for a few steps,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: that might be the only thing you see. Right. And
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: your head just starts spinning and you start creating this– Yeah.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: This imaginary narrative. Here's the recordings.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: Right there, right?
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: Right? So this guy's talking. Oh my God, it's Bigfoot.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: It sounds so fake.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: I don't buy that for a second.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: Not a second. But man, people, the Bigfoot dorks. Like
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: that show Finding Bigfoot. I had that dude. What's his name? Bobo.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: Is that the dude's name? We had him on. And
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: He's like, no. He's like so upset. It looks so fake.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: And then the dude that they think that was wearing
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: the suit. What is his name again? I forgot the
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: guy's name, but. The dude who they think was wearing
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: the suit, he looked like Bigfoot. He walked like him.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he walked like that footage, right?
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a big old cowboy. Big
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: old fucking tall-ass cowboy. And he had to walk like
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: a fucking gorilla. Roger Patterson. Roger Patterson. Well, Roger Patterson
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: was the guy that filmed it, right? That's right.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 4: Patterson-Gimlin footage.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 4: I thought one of them was the one in the
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: suit and the other one filmed it. Maybe I'm mistaken.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: But there's a side-by-side of the actual stupid video that
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot and then this guy walking.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: And I think it was a different guy. Yeah, it
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: could be. I forget his name. But it looks– I'm like,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: that's him.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had a flat earther on here?
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: Sort of. I've had some people that, like, want to
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: dabble in it and, like, shut the fuck up.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: That's the craziest one.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have that conversation with people. And
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: people are like, yeah, because you lose. Because the Earth
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: is flat. Listen, everything else is round. Why would this
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: place be flat? Why would everyone be lying?
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: Why would the people that get up in the fucking
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: space station be lying? We know it circles.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: We've seen it.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: It spins around.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: We have pictures of it.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have satellites. They think all the
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: satellite images of Earth are fake. They think everything is fake.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that's schizophrenia.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: And then a lot of it is like somehow or
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: another it's biblical. it's people believe that it's that we're
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: trying to hide it from us because they don't want
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: us to know that God.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: Is real oh like the firmament and all the stuff
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: that the Bible says is above us yeah but you
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: know what the Bible doesn't say it doesn't say the
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: earth is flat right never never talks about it being
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: flat you know like they figured out the earth was
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: round thousands of years ago like snipers have to calculate
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: the curvature of the earth when they're making shots.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: There's too many things against it. Like the fact that
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: we've seen it.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: It's the biggest one. We know exactly what it looks like.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: I had Roger Avery on the other day. The director
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: is really interesting guy. And he, he went down a
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: bunch of, uh, maybe too many flat earth rabbit holes.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: And he was like, well, you know, pilots don't have
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: to adjust for the curve of the earth. And then
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: I talked to a friend of mine who's a pilot.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: He goes, you know why autopilot? He goes, the fucking,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: it keeps you at an altitude.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: That makes sense because you always– you're the same distance
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: from the earth. So that would make sense that you
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: would go on the curve.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Fucking derp. It's just that being something that
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: people would– what's really interesting is there's this one guy
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: that the earth is round and like this idea that
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: there's a– so he like takes– and there was one
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: guy and he flew him out there. He's like, I
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: can't believe I believe this.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's amazing.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: He spends money. He spends his own money taking these
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: guys up there for free, educating.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: How does he prove it from up there?
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: He just flies them up there and shows them. You
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: actually can fly over Antarctica. They don't want you flying
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: over there because if you crash, no one's going to
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: come get you. You're dead. But people do fly over it.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: The idea that you can't is stupid.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: There's no secret World War II base there.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: There's no wall there. They're probably doing some weird. experiments
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: and shit up there though i do think that's true
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: like there's there's some people that have some pretty convincing
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: stories of direct energy weapons and things that they're developing
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: up there and there's a neutrino detector that they have
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: up there that a lot of people think does a
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: lot more than that they think it might actually be
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather and it's
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: a it's a weird rabbit hole to go down sure
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: but i'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit that
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: we don't know about.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: Up there yeah man it's so weird like In this
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: time that we have all the information or like nobody
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: trusts the government anymore. Has it always been like that?
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: It has been a little bit that nobody trusts the government,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: but now there's reason to not trust them because we've
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: seen what they've done with real events like the Epstein
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: files and a lot of other stuff where you're like JFK,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: where you're like, why don't you just fucking tell us
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: what you know? In the interest of national security, some
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: things must be redacted. Right. There's a reason to not
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: trust them.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Growing up, you see older guys are always, they
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: didn't trust the government. The world's going to shit, all
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And I'm like, am I just getting old?
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: Or is this happening to everyone? Are we all doing
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: this now?
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: I think as you get older, you also take in
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: enough information that you know that they're not being straight
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: with you about anything. Right. I mean, that has always
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: been my argument about the moon landing. You think that
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: they're going to not lie about this one thing. When
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam,
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks. Everything in the 1960s
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: they lied about. Sure. Because they could.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: There was no– Exactly. They controlled all the information. Yeah.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: But that's what's interesting about today. Like that's why there's
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: less trust in the government than ever because we have
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: more access to information. So there's more reason to not
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: trust them.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a squirrely time. Right. Yeah.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: That's why I like living in Montana. Yeah. And it
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: all goes down. I'll be way far away.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: You ever seen anything in the sky that you say like,
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is that? Um, see anything weird?
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: Nothing crazy.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: Um, when we did decide to move there, my wife
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: the sky put on a little performance for us. That
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: was part of the, like, I think we're supposed to
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: move here.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: It was, uh, you know, it was a little induced, but, uh, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we both saw it, and we were with people
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: who didn't see it that were also on mushrooms.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: Interesting. So it was a show just for you guys.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like. Yeah, and we both were like,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: we were making sure it was the same thing, and
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: our friends were like, what are you talking about?
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: Did they take the same dose?
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I think that was like— Maybe they
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: weren't supposed to go there. That's right.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a fate thing.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we felt very spiritually connected to it after that.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a good place to be spiritually connected to.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: It's one of the last places, like Wyoming's like that
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: as well, it's one of the last places where it's
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: not tainted. Even though there's cities there, it's settled, it's
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: like it's so much more wild than it is tame
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: that you still get this feeling of like humble. You
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: get humbled by just the vast spectacular nature of it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like We feel like nature is the
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: novelty these days. And it's like, no, man, that everything
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: on should be the novelty. The nature is the actual thing.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: That's the way we're supposed to be.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: You know, we've all kind of like flipped that in
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: our head. And obviously I'm not, I have the luxury
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: to be able to live out in a place like that.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: But the more I live there, the more I feel
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: like this is how I was meant to live. You know,
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: me personally, I can't talk for anyone else, but I'm
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: just in a way better place mentally and otherwise.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic,
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: like above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: They filmed him this Vice documentary called Heinmo's Great Adventure.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: And this guy has been living there since like the 1970s.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: He moved up there and he's got a log cabin
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: and he just lives up there. All he does is
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: hunts caribou and goes fishing. And he's a really smart guy.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: And this like nerdy reporter with glasses goes up and
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: hangs out with this guy for a few days. And,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the guy was really like, really compelling in
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: the way he was described. Like, I think this is
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: how people are supposed to live. Like I'm so much
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: more calm and at peace. It seems natural and normal.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: Like this is how you're supposed to live. And all
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: he does is just like hunt and fish and, He
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: gets like some supplies dropped off to him, like canned
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: goods and shit, baking soda or whatever. But most of
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: his life is just living off of the land.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: The proof's in the pudding, man. When I'm in a
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: city for a long time and I'm on my phone
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm looking at Instagram and all that stuff, it
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: takes a week before I feel insane, like completely crazy.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: And if I just put that stuff away and go outside,
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: even in a city, like if I just put that
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: stuff down for a little bit and go outside and
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: connect with a person, I feel insane. You know, infinitely better.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: And if you just look at, you know, the stuff
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: on your phone and you're so sucked into that, you
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: would believe this is the world is a shitty place.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: But then if you don't look at that and you
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: go outside and you live your real life, it doesn't
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: take long before everything feels good again.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: Like you have hope again. You know, you're you're. Meeting
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: to the post office. Like, everything feels pretty good out there.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: It's just your phone telling you that this place is terrible.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is the big bridge to crazy. Much more
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: than cities is these fucking things. Oh, yeah. They're the
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: bridge to crazy.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: And, like, that's what AI is learning from. It's only
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: learning from all this terrible information we're putting online.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: And it's accelerated.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: It can't learn from the real world.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: It can't go to the grocery store and see that
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: everyone's actually pretty good for the most part.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: 99% of what you do out in your real life
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: is fine.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: Right. You know?
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: But it's only going to see the worst of all
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: of us and then show us that even more, show
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: that back to us because that's all it knows.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: That's really scary to me, man.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: It is scary. And it's never going to really appreciate
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: a great song. It's never going to really appreciate art.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 1: It's not going to appreciate love or– community or friendship
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: or any of those things. No. It's not going to
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: appreciate the feeling that you have. You could just call
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: your neighbor up and go over to his house and
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: shoot 500 yards in his backyard. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: It's not going to get that. Right. It's not going
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: to get how cool that is that that guy's 70
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: years old. He hits a deer. He's like, brushes it off.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: Fucking 70.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: 70 years old hitting a deer. You're supposed to be
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: dead as fuck.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: No, man. Not him. He looks like John Wayne.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: That guy's crazy.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: I and you, we can appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. That
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that. They go,
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: get off the motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave. Yeah.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: And dude, dude, talking about music, it can make good
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: songs though. I've heard you play someone here and I,
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: my friends will just, you know, whatever apps they have,
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: just give it a prompt and the song is incredible.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: It does it in 10 seconds.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: It's spooky.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: It's really weird, man.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: But it's only doing it derivatively. Like it's only taking
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: the songs that other people have written and And just
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: making sort of a– some sort of a conglomeration of
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: them spitting it out. Or it's redoing like an old
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: hip-hop song in like a blues style or something like that.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's 99 percent of what humans do too.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: Right. It is true.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: It's all derivative anyway.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: I know. But at least it's a person.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: Like something to me about– even if it's derivative, if
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: dude and his friends did that.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: And you can get behind a person as an artist
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: and like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore. You know?
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: That's the silliness. That is so silly, isn't it? Like,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: if you really start to take off, someone's going to
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: eventually go, fuck that guy. I knew that guy when
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: he was just fucking just starting out. Yeah. pretty good.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: His songs were good. And then he made it.
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's going to be controversial, but the first Coldplay album
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: is still amazing. You know, but they got so huge
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: that everyone hates Coldplay now. And you're like, but they
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: are really good.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: I like Coldplay. I do, too. I like some Nickelback songs.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: Music nerds are like, they can't do Coldplay because they're
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: doing stadiums and... And your mom likes them now.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: I think that was one of the things that people
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: didn't like about Nickelback. Because Nickelback was almost like the
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: first A.I. You know what I mean? Like that Rockstar song,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: that was like an A.I. version of like a lot
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: of like. Like Cypress Hill had a Rockstar song. But
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: Cypress Hill sounds so much more genuine. Whereas the Nickelback
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: one is almost like these guys are just too A.I.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: It was the beginning of sort of like auto-tune and
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But really good auto-tune that you couldn't tell.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: Not like the auto-tune that's in rap where you know
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: they're auto-tuned on purpose. It was like everything's so perfect.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music.
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: Right. And the subject matter is like I've heard all
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 1: this stuff before. Yeah. That's a problem.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: Right down the middle.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: Yep. It was AI. Nickelback was the first AI music. Yeah.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. People are weird with their taste and
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: they want you to like what they like. That's what's
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: really weird. Like you have to like what they like.
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: Or they get mad at you.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do? Well, listen, man, I
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking to you. It's a lot of fun.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: I love your fucking show. I can't wait to watch
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 1: Marshall's because I love you on Yellowstone. It's a fucking
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: great show. I'm really bummed out that your wife's dead now, though.
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: That sucks.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rough.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: I love Kelsey, and we love working together. But, you know, ultimately,
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: you don't want to just sit and watch a guy
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: be happy. That wouldn't be a very good show. You know,
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: he needed a motor.
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: You guys had a cool relationship, though.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: It was fun. But he had his dream life, and
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: they were happy together. So you can't watch that for
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: 50 hours or however long this ends up going.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: Well, he knows how to mix it up, I'll tell
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: you that. That dude knows– Taylor knows how to fucking–
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: Make it interesting. So I can't wait to watch it.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: All right. Bye everybody.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 3: Bye.