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5-07-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/Pick an Avs concern/Broncos sign Justin Joly & Miles Scott · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: Ramoslaw dot com. Jeff Legwold of ESPN dot com joins us,
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  Speaker 3: as he does every Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: Hello Jeff, good morning fellas. Hey, I was reading you
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  Speaker 4: at ESPN dot com. I like your stuff. When you
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  Speaker 4: talk about the biggest upgrade, you couched it pretty well
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  Speaker 4: about the Broncos wide receiver cor right, you know that
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  Speaker 4: will it open up downfield for Bonnix's completion percentage of
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  Speaker 4: what thirty eight point seven? Am I getting this right?
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  Speaker 5: At some point we'll get a question.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like your stuff. On the defensive side though,
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  Speaker 4: right defensive end? Is that a really concern for the
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  Speaker 4: Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 6: Well, MOS always look at it as like what snaps
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  Speaker 6: do that? What you know, what play count do they
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  Speaker 6: have to fill? And John Franklin Myers, you know, didn't
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  Speaker 6: make a Pro Bowl here, but he was a very
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  Speaker 6: very good player that impacted Zach Allen's ability to lead
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  Speaker 6: the NFL and quarterback hits to nick A Benito's ability
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  Speaker 6: to sack the quarterback. He impacted things.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's several hundred snaps that have to be replaced
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  Speaker 6: in some way, whether that's somebody in house like Juasa
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  Speaker 6: Rique or the young rookie uh but that you know,
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  Speaker 6: the concern is those snaps have to be filled. And
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  Speaker 6: on a team that won fourteen games and went to
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  Speaker 6: the AFC Championship last year, the only real snaps that
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  Speaker 6: have to be filled are insidelinebacker where Greenlaw was Franklin Myers.
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  Speaker 6: Those are the significant areas and they're both on defense.
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  Speaker 5: Why did the Broncos sign Nathan Peterman a quarterback?
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  Speaker 6: You know, Vick, I think this time of the year,
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  Speaker 6: especially for rookie mini camps, because the rules allow you
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  Speaker 6: to bring the tryout players in for some of your
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  Speaker 6: offseason stuff and they need arms. You know, you just
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  Speaker 6: got to have people to chuck the ball around a
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  Speaker 6: little bit too.
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  Speaker 2: So, and.
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  Speaker 6: I think Sean Payton always likes the idea of the
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  Speaker 6: veteran quarterback having a place in the quarterback room, no
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  Speaker 6: matter who the other one, two or three are he
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  Speaker 6: did keep four quarterbacks on the roster one year in
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  Speaker 6: New Orleans. That's a very rare thing, So he does
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  Speaker 6: value the position. You know, Peterman has had plenty of
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  Speaker 6: ups and downs in the league that have been well documented,
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  Speaker 6: especially with interceptions. But I think this is always sort
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  Speaker 6: of the mold. I think the successful teams do you
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  Speaker 6: bring in a veteran guy for the tryout and then
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  Speaker 6: a young guy, you know, Kurt Warner's son, a player
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  Speaker 6: like that. Yeah, you would bring you bring in the variety,
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  Speaker 6: and if one or both, you know, have a shot
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  Speaker 6: at coming back, that's a good thing. But they just
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  Speaker 6: need arms to get through some of the the work
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  Speaker 6: this weekend, and then you know, if one of them
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  Speaker 6: gets to stay through OTA's and the rest of it,
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  Speaker 6: that's just a chance for them to show what they
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  Speaker 6: can do.
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  Speaker 5: I guess the underlying question might be, is this also
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  Speaker 5: insurance in case Bo can't be where BO needs to be.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't think this is any impact on beyond
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  Speaker 6: June like that. I think the still the clock I'm
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  Speaker 6: hearing is not much if anything. In June, you know,
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  Speaker 6: ready to go in training camp, you know, does that
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  Speaker 6: mean first day of training camp, third week of training camp.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know the answer to that yet, but I
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  Speaker 6: think that's always the case. They're gonna need arms to
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  Speaker 6: throw when you're at you know, ninety players, you got
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  Speaker 6: to have people to throw the ball. That's why you
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  Speaker 6: always see a lot of receivers on off season rosters,
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  Speaker 6: because that's a high, high volume running position, and you
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  Speaker 6: always see one or two more quarterbacks than they probably need.
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  Speaker 3: All conversations with Leggie or Rotchi about the International Brotherhood
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  Speaker 3: of Electrical Workers IBW Local sixty eight start with the
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  Speaker 3: job and with the career Legy. Is this, maybe, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, put this least newsworthy off season of the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos in a long time. You had obviously the pop
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  Speaker 3: from the Jalen Model trade, but with the lack of
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  Speaker 3: first round pick and no real free agency moves to
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  Speaker 3: speak of, can you remember one that.
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  Speaker 2: Was maybe this lacking in news for the team?
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  Speaker 6: I guess I would always right, I would always say
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  Speaker 6: that when we start talking about how exciting you know,
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  Speaker 6: a team was in the off season, it's usually inverse
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  Speaker 6: proportion to how good they were.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I'm not saying that the Bos messed up.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, but.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just saying, this is the cycle. You know, when
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  Speaker 6: you're bad, you're making big moves in the off season.
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  Speaker 6: When you're good, you're just trying to hold it together
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  Speaker 6: and you know, whatever fashion you can. And I they did.
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  Speaker 6: The surprising thing for me, and I have not seen
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  Speaker 6: it in my time cover in the league, is how
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  Speaker 6: internal they were in their approach they I mean, when
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  Speaker 6: you sign you know, the numbers are well documented, seventeen
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  Speaker 6: of twenty one sort of you know players that all
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  Speaker 6: the levels of free agency that they had, that that's
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  Speaker 6: that's almost unheard of. I mean they basicly he made
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  Speaker 6: two moves Jalen Waddle and the safety Tyson that basically
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  Speaker 6: made two moves that weren't players from their roster and
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  Speaker 6: other than the draft picks. But that that is very
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  Speaker 6: very rare. But you know, again, I think this is
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  Speaker 6: you have a head coach. You thought this was a
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  Speaker 6: super Bowl team last year and he's he has clearly shown, uh,
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  Speaker 6: they believe it it is that this year as well,
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  Speaker 6: because they kept it intact.
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  Speaker 4: You know, vict knows people it's always this time, but
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  Speaker 4: he does know he does those lots of people. It's
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  Speaker 4: always this time of year when Victores huh, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: got the Bronco schedule. I can't release it. I can't
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  Speaker 4: tell you what's going on, but I got the advanced copy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, and then I go through when it
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  Speaker 4: comes out and do my wins and losses. When don't
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  Speaker 4: we get into Jeff, what's the schedule coming out? When
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  Speaker 4: do I find out what the heck is going on?
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  Speaker 4: It depends who you ask.
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  Speaker 6: Some people say next week, some people say the week
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  Speaker 6: after so, but uh, it'll be in the next two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: By all accounts, do you do you book everything? Like
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  Speaker 4: right when the schedule comes out? Do you book the
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  Speaker 4: entire season? We?
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  Speaker 5: Uh uh?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I am part of a large corporation, so
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  Speaker 6: you you get green you get green lighted to book
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  Speaker 6: you know certain components of the season. They tell you when.
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  Speaker 6: So I wait for the word and then I jump.
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  Speaker 5: We are also part of a larger corporation and we
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  Speaker 5: do the same thing. Hey, in regards to mini camps
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  Speaker 5: and all this stuff. I see that the Broncos already
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  Speaker 5: signed their rookie tight end, the guy they drafted Mentley
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  Speaker 5: how to Utah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, tell me how this work.
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  Speaker 5: So he's a seventh round sixth or seventh rounder seventh, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: what if you can't play and you already agreed to
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  Speaker 5: sign him to a four year deal, you just I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they got to be some provisions in there. What you're
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  Speaker 5: rolling the dice here? What if he shows up a
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  Speaker 5: camp and and I mean this for all late round picks,
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  Speaker 5: what if they can't play, you just eat that money?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean that the guaranteed money is all you
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  Speaker 6: would really be eating, so the signing bonus essentially, which
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  Speaker 6: was like.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred and twenty seven dollars.
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  Speaker 6: For a seventh rounder. But okay, you know there are
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  Speaker 6: there are some minor cap implications. That's why every year,
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  Speaker 6: if if you had the full list of dead money
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  Speaker 6: in front of you, every season, you would see like
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  Speaker 6: thirty names of guys who had been signed for training
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  Speaker 6: camp or to the practice squad and had moved back
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  Speaker 6: and forth, but they had gotten some amount of guaranteed money.
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  Speaker 6: There are some cap implications, and some they do have
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  Speaker 6: provisions and NFL contracts about how much you get paid
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  Speaker 6: if you're if you're hurt, or if you have to
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  Speaker 6: go to the practice squad. You know, there are provisions
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  Speaker 6: like that, so there are some guardrails in there for
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  Speaker 6: the team, but it's really just the guaranteed money and
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  Speaker 6: it's yeah, it's just part of the part of the equation.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, we were just talking about the story from Jake
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  Speaker 3: Trotter that he said back in twenty twenty one, Matt Campbell,
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  Speaker 3: who was then the head coach of Iowa State, agreed
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  Speaker 3: to become the head coach of Detroit, but then changed
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  Speaker 3: his mind and that led.
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  Speaker 2: To Detroit getting Dan Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: How often does this happen, because we know the famous
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  Speaker 3: stories of like Josh McDaniels agreed to be the Colts
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  Speaker 3: coach and then backed out last second went back to
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots. Does this happen a lot where coaches initially
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  Speaker 3: come to terms or agree verbally on something and then
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  Speaker 3: back out.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know that you know that come
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  Speaker 6: to terms part of it. I it happens a lot
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  Speaker 6: where the team or the coach will think they've reached
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  Speaker 6: some kind of verbal agreement and now the attorneys are
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  Speaker 6: just gonna hammer out the paper, you know, the contract,
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  Speaker 6: and something happens. I think that happens. I mean, the
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  Speaker 6: most famous story in my career for me, i've heard
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  Speaker 6: is or the funniest is you know. The late Dave
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  Speaker 6: McGinnis heard on he was at the hotel after finishing
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  Speaker 6: his interview with the Chicago Bears and heard on the
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  Speaker 6: radio he had been hired by the Bears, and that
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  Speaker 6: was not the case he had so his joke was
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  Speaker 6: always I was coach of the Chicago Bears for six hours.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, he heard on the radio at the hotel
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  Speaker 6: that he had been hired by the Chicago Bears and
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  Speaker 6: he had not been They had even prepared the press conference,
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  Speaker 6: that there were reporters waiting and the banners were up
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  Speaker 6: and all of it, and he had not been hired
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  Speaker 6: by the Chicago Bears, and he walked away from it
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  Speaker 6: and they had to go hire somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Wait wait, so the hang on he walked away from
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  Speaker 3: it or the Bears did not agree to it.
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  Speaker 6: No, he walked away. He went he heard on the
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  Speaker 6: radio he had been hired by the Chicago Bears, went
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  Speaker 6: to the facility and is talking to the mccaskeys and
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  Speaker 6: the people in charge, saying, hey, what's the deal. We
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  Speaker 6: have not agreed to a contract. How's this gonna look?
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  Speaker 6: And he He always told me his feeling was he
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  Speaker 6: didn't like the answers he got in that thing and
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  Speaker 6: he walked away. Wow from that, And that's that's the
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  Speaker 6: all timer to me. To hear on the radio you
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  Speaker 6: have been hired and you haven't. That's that's the all timer.
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  Speaker 4: That's great, That's that's pretty crazy. Hey, Jeff. As we
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  Speaker 4: sit here now beginning of May we get through the
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  Speaker 4: mini campusls, can the Broncos bringing any more players before
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  Speaker 4: training camp is or what are the odds of that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure they'll pick some guys off the scrap he
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  Speaker 4: wants cut start that where once the cuts happened or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But where are we right now in terms of bringing
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  Speaker 4: in more guys that Peyton may like or whatever the
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  Speaker 4: case may be.
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  Speaker 6: They can bring in guys, motion mean, they can have
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  Speaker 6: tryout guys at these events. Often you'll see a few
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  Speaker 6: players released, like they have the rookie Mini camp this weekend.
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  Speaker 6: Often you'll see, you know, three or four players are
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  Speaker 6: released after that and replaced by others that you know,
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  Speaker 6: they just can't pass the roster limit at this point.
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  Speaker 6: But within that number of roster slots they can still
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  Speaker 6: do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 4: I know, there's just some guys still kicking around that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, haven't agreed with any teams or that kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing, and I'm just I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 6: Well, a lot of veteran guys at this point are
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  Speaker 6: in the mode of, unless it's a perfect situation, I'm
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  Speaker 6: not real excited about going through OTA's and mini camps,
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  Speaker 6: so they they kind of waited out to the older guys.
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  Speaker 2: Is that Aaron Rodgers territory right now?
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  Speaker 6: I think the Steelers are Look, you know, I preface
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  Speaker 6: this by saying I don't cover the Steelers anymore, and
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  Speaker 6: and all I'm not as in tune as as the
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  Speaker 6: people who do that every day, but I know the
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  Speaker 6: organization and there's no way. Uh, they're happy about how
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  Speaker 6: long this has taken. I think their understanding was they
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  Speaker 6: would have an answer by now, and I think they
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  Speaker 6: certainly want one before the end of the month.
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  Speaker 5: Do you get as an employee of ESPN? Do you
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  Speaker 5: get free ESPN Plus?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Can I get them codes?
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it depends. Maybe we can work, so
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Give you some altitude plus for me. Let me tell
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  Speaker 4: you something, man, there was time I want.
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  Speaker 6: I want I went a long time with other guys
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  Speaker 6: on my cable and I'm still a little bitter about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff, I would get like an alert your account
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  Speaker 4: has been access from Golden Colorado and I'm like, what,
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  Speaker 4: dude had my code for like two and a half
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  Speaker 4: years and just I had them codes code. He's got
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  Speaker 5: Leggie, tell tell me if you've done this because you
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  Speaker 5: have kids, that just goes. I've been double pain on
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  Speaker 5: some comes without any knowledge for the last.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, you gotta have a you gotta have a review
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  Speaker 6: of the finances. Occasionally we gotta have a breakdown.
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  Speaker 4: Hate that.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, leg you appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks Fellas, You're awesome.
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  Speaker 3: To Jeff Lagwell the ESPN dot Com, You're awesome. Le
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  Speaker 3: to the af next Game three on Saturday and you
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  Speaker 3: Pipes starting at five and DMAC hosting the party. It's
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  Speaker 3: at Stony's on Lincoln on Saturday for Game three.
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  Speaker 4: You know what they have there? That'sruly good, guys. Their
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  Speaker 4: pizza is pretty dang good. Yeah, and those loaded nachos
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  Speaker 4: are pretty If I was if I was not going
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  Speaker 4: to be in beautiful Saint Paul this weekend, when, uh, tomorrow,
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  Speaker 4: what time? I'm not even sure. The Nunish maybe something
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 5: Why I'm coming to studio tomorrow. I just want to see.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I'll be here. No, we'll be able to hold hands.
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  Speaker 4: It's all good.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But but Stony has they got some good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I like that place. I'd be there if I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to Saint Paul, I would be there.
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  Speaker 3: I'll ask the question when we started this morning, if
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  Speaker 3: you had to pick a concern, and you can't say injuries,
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  Speaker 3: what is it?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's just.
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  Speaker 5: Not a lot to choose from. Yeah, I mean there
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  Speaker 5: really isn't. Can I apply the concern to the opposing
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  Speaker 5: team if they get ericson eck back and all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden they get that other brodine. You notice yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if and if all of a sudden they find some
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  Speaker 5: inspiration and it helps their cause mightily, that would be
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  Speaker 5: my only concern.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's not There's gotta be a little
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  Speaker 4: doubt inside Minnesota because they've played two different kinds of
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  Speaker 4: games and they didn't win either one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, yep, And.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm sure there's there's gotta be some okay, you know,
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  Speaker 4: back to the drawing board type of stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the series is far from over, but now they have
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  Speaker 4: to win four out of five games against the best
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  Speaker 4: team in the National Hockey League. But that's no easy task.
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  Speaker 4: Not saying they can't do it. They're gonna get a
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  Speaker 4: big bump at home, for sure. They're probably going I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they hear what people have said about game two in
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  Speaker 4: this series. Hey man, the Abs are paced in their butts,
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  Speaker 4: you know that kind of thing. Yeah, they've heard all
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  Speaker 4: of that. They're probably gonna try to get physical. I'm
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  Speaker 4: guessing the Felino bros A, you're gonna start flying around
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  Speaker 4: Marcus Felino especially, he's the big hitter of the two.
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  Speaker 4: But McCarran will I mean, I'm not looking at a
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  Speaker 4: little Yohansa to come and smoke somebody. But I think
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  Speaker 4: everybody's gonna pick up the physicality to some degree, and
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  Speaker 4: you got to be prepared for that. But what I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying right now, guys, the Avs know every single bit
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  Speaker 4: of this. They are prepared for anything that is thrown
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  Speaker 4: their way.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually says penalties are my only concerns. Stay out
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  Speaker 3: of the box. I I would agree. It doesn't help
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  Speaker 3: anybody if you're playing at a disadvantage.
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  Speaker 2: But Minnesota special teams have been garbage.
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  Speaker 4: Their coach. Their coach admitted it after Game two that
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  Speaker 4: you know what special teams is what let us down.
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  Speaker 4: That's why, that's why we're where we are.
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  Speaker 3: Like both I mean power play, they've been terrible, and
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  Speaker 3: not just during these first two games. Even against Dallas
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  Speaker 3: they weren't great. They're facing a little bit of what
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  Speaker 3: the Avs did last year.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit. Yeah, they certainly are. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 4: I I know you know they're gonna give it. They're
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  Speaker 4: gonna give it their victim. They have to give it
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  Speaker 4: their best shot in Game three because if they.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Lose downsatday correct, I think the winner of Game three
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: wins a serious Okay, I think the blatant any blatant
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: overconfidence is a concern, sort of like our co host
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: who's already talking about the round three opponent, that kind
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: of overconfidence is not to be had, and I guarantee
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: they're not going to fall for it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Brett, what's your problem?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I just I don't I don't feel the need to
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: defend something I didn't say.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Blatant egregious. Egregious is the word. That's the word of
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: If you are watching egregious overconfidence Anaheim and Vegas and
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: you don't have in your head, hmm, I wonder who
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I'd rather have the Avs face if they were to
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: make it to.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: The next round. Then you're lying, You're a liar. How
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: does that sound.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I don't like being called a liar.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Even if it's true. But all right, can I give
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you an example.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example of somebody who did not lie,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: and he's catching heat for it, and I don't think
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: he should be at all. Michael Porter Junior, when asked
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: about the Nuggets being eliminated in the first round, said
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I actually.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Spoke about that the other day.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: You almost kind of feel like a hater I'm watching
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the game, and I'm like, why am I cheering for
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: the Wolves like that? I think it's that human nature.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: But I mean, obviously I wanted my guys to do well.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't like that AG was hurt. I didn't like
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the pee watt they couldn't do their thing. I was
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: talking to Christian Brown during the series. He said, it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: he hurt his ankle in the first game, and he
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: played through it the same way I played through the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: shoulder injury last year. And you know, now he's getting
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: killed on social media, especially since the comments he made.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Those are my guys. I wanted them to do well,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: but I just think they might miss me. I don't know, probably.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Not all right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: So he confirms then two things, Two things I want
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: to talk about that. I'm glad you brought this up.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: It's perfectly acceptable. It's human nature right to think the
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: way he did. You know, you get traded by a
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: team and part of you wants that team to lose
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: because you're no longer there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You're ex dumpt you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm if for
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: you holier than now. Folks are like, oh, how dare
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: he no that's pretty common, right, Am I cool with that? If?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I think it would be really weird if he didn't
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: feel that way, To be exactly, it'd be fake.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be fake, right, fake enthusiasm. So that that
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: doesn't bother me one bit. Now, if Michael We're still
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: on the team. As much as I love him, I
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: don't think it makes a difference one iota in the
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: outcome of that series. If you replaced m Cam and
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Mike switch, it wouldn't It wouldn't. Probably right, it wouldn't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't make a difference at all. That to me,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: it's a bigger problem than that. But the third thing
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: he mentioned, which should gather more attention in my humble opinion,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: if Christian was indeed hurt again, if he hurt his ankle,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: what are we doing? This goes back to what you said.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: What if he's hurt and can't play to his standard
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: and his standard is to explode, to move, what are
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: we doing? Why?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Is correct?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this again. Christian Brown at times during
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: that series looked unplayable. He did nothing on offense, He
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't a threat, he couldn't drive to the rim, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: he couldn't cover anybody defensively. And now obviously this stuff
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: comes out. He was very clearly hurt by It sounds
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: like multiple things. Whether it's a calf and an ankle
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: or just an ankle or whatever or both. He was hobbled.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And if there's any position in which you had the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: depth to not force a guy to play through it,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: it's the two. You had Bruce Brown, you had Tim Hardaway,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you had Julian Strather. The fact that Julian Strather got
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: no minutes when Christian Brown looked like he couldn't play
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: is crazy to me.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: I don't disagree. I mean, there's got to be more
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: to that story, and it's it's a question that can
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: be raised tomorrow at the Nuggets press conference, which will
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: be held at eleven o'clock carried live by Altitude TV.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Mind you, and certently it's a question that needs to
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: be asked. How hurt was he? How hurt was he?
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Was he too hurt to have subbed doubt? Now I'll
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: also want to jump on something else. There's just real
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: quick vic to answer that question. If Christian Brown can
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: barely get above the rim to Donkey's very hurt.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the why is he But again, why is he playing? Then?
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to that question. I do
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: know this. There's an article today Troy Rank wrote something
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: in the Denver Post, and he did a great job
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: writing it. I disagree with this premise though. Christian Brown
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: is getting a lot of heat from people because he
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: came out and said, you know, I consider myself the leader.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I've got to do more.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: The vocal leader.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the vocal leader of this team. It's on me.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I've got to do more. And there are a lot
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: of folks out there bashing Christian saying ah stop when
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: they should be doing the exact opposite. This kid, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I'm a kid. This guy goes out of his way
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: and takes accountability when he doesn't have to, takes responsibility
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: publicly when he doesn't have to. He shouldn't be ripped
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: for that. He shouldn't be I don't understand why people
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: are mad at him. That's somebody that's going out of
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: his way to accept the responsibility when he doesn't have to.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: There's I don't why would you rip him? He is
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: publicly stating it's on me. I'll take it. You should,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: hey man, good on you, Christian even though it wasn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: on you, even though it shouldn't be on you, even
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: though other players on this team should be the ones
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: stepping up taking that accountability. You did that. Good on you,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and and people are mocking it for that. What do
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: we doing?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm just gonna say, if you've played any sort
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: of organized sports at a quasi decently high level, you
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: know that this is the case. Sometimes I think people
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: took offense to the fact that he called himself a
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: vocal leader of the team, and they're like, what do
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you mean, Nikola Jokic is there? Your best player is
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: not always your vocal leader. There's a lot of players
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: that are quiet guys that just go about their business,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: like moj I know that in the Avalanche terms, the
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: best players are McKennon and mccarr. Guess who McCart isn't
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: a yeller end screamer on that team. The captain, the
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: guy who's the vocal leader, is not the best player.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Guess who the vocal leader is for the OKC Thunder.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: It ain't one of their starters. It's Alex Caruso. Yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: he's their vocal leader. It doesn't and that's just the
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: way it works. So I guess I'm not mad. I'm
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: mad because two things. More players didn't take public accountability
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: like he did, and the fact he stepped up and
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: took it that shouldn't be mocked. That shouldn't there's missionel
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: mocking involve that should be encouraged respected. Yeah, he put
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: himself out there.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: But people, I think, way too often get confused with
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: the idea that the leader is always the best player
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: on the team, and it's not. In some cases, you
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: can have a leader who is barely playing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, how about this.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: The leader of the Miami Heat up until recently when
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: they were still, you know, trying to conjure together teams
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that can make NBA Finals runs like they did against
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the Nuggets. He was forty forty, he was Eudonis has
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: He and he didn't even play.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Let me read this text, Texter two nine five six,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Place your name on your text. I don't like referring
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: to people as numbers, So put your damn name on
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: your text.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Texter says he's not a leader, and you know it
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: vic fits his job to have a team ready. Then
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: we're cooked exactly. Yeah, And that's what I'm saying number one.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: He is one of the leaders inside the room. That's
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: number one. You may not think that, but he is
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: number two. If no one else steps up in that role,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: it's why the Nuggets are where they are today.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Well, there's something vic This is my perception. I guess
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I could be completely wrong, but my perception from the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: outside looking in. And I hope this is a dress
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: tomorrow in some capacity. Something is funky in there. Now,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: what is it? It's maybe not funky, but it's not
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: It's not this. It's not totally cohesive. And why is that?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Not not not that anything's bad,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it's just not as good as it could or should be.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Again, I don't know where everybody lies on this, and frankly,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: it's up to you to determine who's at fault here,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: because there are a lot of people that fault for
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: why the Nuggets season is over. And as I watch
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the Spurs and the Tea Wolves, not a minute goes
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: by where I don't think, gosh darn, the Nuggets should
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: be still playing that. You know, you should be seething.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: That's fine, but I'm gonna tell you something. If somebody's
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: gonna go out of their way to take public accountability.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna slap that person on the wrist, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: thank you.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna say, you know what, that's that's somebody's
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: still being mature.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: That's noble of you. Whether it's whether it's true or not,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: he's willing to take it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I totally agree. You know, I am curious for tomorrow's pressure.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: There's two ways that this can go to me. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: they aren't going to reveal all of.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Their cards, I don't think tomorrow.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: But there's I guess two tones I guess I should say,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: which is we need to change a lot within this
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: team and we're going to do it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And the other one is this, this is a possibility.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's right, but this could very well
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: be an argument that you hear tomorrow, especially from the
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: first press conference, which is Kronky, Tenser, and Wallace. They
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: could tell you, Vic, we do feel like our team
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: was good enough. We just had the most crazy injury
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: riddled season we've ever had. That could be an option
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that they go to.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: But the reason I'm not saying that's correct.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's correct.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And if that's said. If the retort tomorrow, and I'm
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: gonna be overly blunt here. If the excuse is the
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: injuries cost us, and I know the injuries cost us,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: you know why that excuse doesn't work in this case
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: because the team you played had more than you did. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: exactly right, That's why it doesn't work. Sorry, you could
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: use that excuse if Minnesota's whole and they beat you
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: with a team, that's fine, But by god, that was
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: a shot. That team was a shadow of itself in
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: the last two games and they still beat you.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They're really Yeah, that's.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Not gonna work in this It just that argument doesn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: work here.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I really don't see any excuse as to why you
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: lost Game six.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: You might have had injuries, but what it's not even
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: just Anthony Edwards being out of the lineup and Dante DiVincenzo.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It was also di soon moved, the guy who stepped
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: in and dropped a forty piece when those guys left.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He was also out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You were favored in every single game.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: You were the favorite to win this You were even
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: when you were down three to one.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: You were favorite to win this series.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: You were favored by over ten points in the final
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: game by the time the injury list came down.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: No, man, listen, the injury thing. I get it. It's
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: it's viable. It's a big reason why you know, you
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: love to have everybody. I get it, I really do.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: If that team is whole, lookout, they'd still be playing it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Pick. It's just so disappointing as we see here today.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Just I guess I'm gonna get off it because the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: abs are making me happy. It's just really disappointing way
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to end.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course, yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: You you had the most anticipated Nugget season in a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: long time given the roster before the season started, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I kind of go back to what mcpickle said after
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: their season. We were an average team within artably high expectations.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: This is how you're gonna feel by the end of it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: You're talking about me. Yeah, I'm going to make another case.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: And this is where things happen in sports. Decisions are
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: made in sports. People change roles in sports, and sometimes
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: it's fortuitous. Sometimes you don't expect it. I think we
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: can all agree Tim Conley is very good at what
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: he does. He's one of the best in the game
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: and losing Tim Conley when he left here, it hurt.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: It hurt.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: You didn't want to lose him to a similar job elsewhere.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: And I would be lying if I said I want
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: you I wish he was still here.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I wish he were.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: But when people go back and in hindsight, and you
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: got to look at it this way, if Tim Conley
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: doesn't leave when he did, does the roster change. Does
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: the roster change enough to get that championship in twenty three?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Will Barton does?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I mean you're just asking.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Do you do the two little things, the necessary things
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: to adjust the roster to get over that last level,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: because I'm not sure if those things change, you might
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: be really, really, really good at your job and not
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: achieve a championship.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: The interesting thing, and he talked about this with us
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: when he was in studio. He came to studio with
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: us multiple times, and I remember he said once, it's
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: really hard for me to trade my own guys. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: said it, and that's the truth. Then he goes to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Minnesota and he blows that roster up. He goes and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: he gives away four first rounders. He had no loyalty
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to those players, but that's it. Like he was new there,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: he didn't have loyalty to anybody. He was able to
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: go out and kind of blow things up.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: So I think sometimes when we go back and we
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: wish things, you have to look at the bigger picture.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Things happen, man, Things happen, And in this situation where
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: the nuggets are right now, to put this all back
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: together again, and to do it quickly, it's going to
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: be the hardest thing they've ever done. Be full on
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: financial ramification.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: It's full on humpty dumpty.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be tomorrow starting at eleven with Cronky Tenser
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and Wallace, and then at eleven thirty will be David
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Adelman taking the podium as well.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: By the way, that whole humpty dumpty thing, when I
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: think about it, so strange. Man, guy's a freaking egg
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: with arms and legs and whatnot. A dork.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Wait till you hear about the big bad wolf.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: See, I grew up in a different households. We didn't
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: have all of those ridiculous stories told to us. Nobody
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: sat at my bedside talked about humpty.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's because they hung a goat from the rafters
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: in your garage.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: We had real things happened in my life, one of
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: this fake crap, these fables.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So what did What did they say to you before
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you went night?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: They said go to sleep and then when you're done
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: with the school, go to work. You got to put
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: some money on the table.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Did easy? Did easy?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Just kneel by your bedside and start talking about how
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: you change out a water tank.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Hey, let me read a book at your bedside that
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: makes me laugh. Go to sleep?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Uh fact check your next do the humped it hull?
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: But uh burger kidding? Bathroom? All right?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: So no Avs game until Saturday. So we awaits and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: awaits and await.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: What's going on tomorrow on this program? If I have
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: to fly to Minnesota, do I have to be here?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Do you have to be on the show tomorrow? Is
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: what you have to do? Your job? You're asking me?
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: If you don't want to be here, nobody's forcing you
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: to be here. You could choose to not be here
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: regardless of you flying. You know what is well?
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I could I could show up tomorrow morning and then
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: get on the air at seven am with you guys.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: You can tell me I don't have a brain still
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: that's great, What a lot of fun.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: What is it's this show great? You always need the
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: brainless guy.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And is the key to any good show. Seven thirty
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: tonight is Lakers in thunder, and I'm just curious. Do
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you care it all? Nope?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: No.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I tried to watch the first game and it was
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: relatively close. But it just seems so if if the
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Lakers had Luca, They're just not gonna do it with
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: They just can't. They have to play perfect.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: What's happening there by the way, Luca just gets to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: stay in Spain during this entire playoff run not be
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: around the team.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Does that seem weird to you?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I like Spain pretty good. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: had a good time there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: But if you got hurt right before the playoffs started
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: and the team was just like, yeah, go go to Europe,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: it's fine, awesome.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I can't the injuries. They're so personal. Obviously, everybody's got
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: a different form of it. But you know, last night,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Minnesota gets Io desum new back. He's got a calf.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: He got back in a week. Yeah, I mean he
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: injured his heel.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Landy's was different because this is years off that we're
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: talking about did Landy come back for the playoffs and
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: just be around the team?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I thought yet at times, yeah he.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Was, but he was really back East a lot.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But he's doing treatment and stuff.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's correct. Yeah, I mean I think he was
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: around what he could be, but he did a lot
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: of stuff out of Colorado a lot.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I do find it funny that every day on First
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Things First, Nick Right is now talking about Shae flopping
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: because he's playing against the Lakers, and now it's.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you put the Lakers on in front of somebody
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: that you've accused of whatever, and all of a sudden,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: it's a magnifying glass in the world. Everybody pays attention.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: We've seen, we've seen listen. Oh maybe his next tape
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: will be lou Dort does some crazy things out there.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll hear that one next.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: It is like I, I really think, and I can't
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: keep doing this.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: But the whistle that OKC gets as far as.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: What they're allowed to get away with defensively and then
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: what they're called with when they're on offense is it's
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: really one of the biggest contrast seen long time.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Because they set the table. The reason OKASE gets away
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: with what they they from the very beginning of the game,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: when the ball goes up, they forced the referees to
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: make a decision. You're gonna call this every time? Really,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: because we're gonna do this every time, and they set
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: the stand. They are the aggressors.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of Draymond how he would not get
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: technical fouls when a lot of people would easily get attacked.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Is because to a certain extent, I think a ref
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: is just like, that's Draymond being Draymond. I can't teae
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: him up every thirty seconds when he's barking out me.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Like that, Hanny, Who's gonna do that?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I don't because who's gonna be the one responsible for
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: kicking one of the important players for Golden State out
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: of the game all the time? How do you change?
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: But then how do you change behavior? Vic?
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: What official is going to enforce all that stuff against
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Okac from the onset?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Who's that guy in the NHL that you would say
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: he might get away with some stuff because people are like, oh,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: that Wilson, that's just that guy being that guy.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I think probably Tom Wilson. He's right up on that
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: edge man right up there on that right right there,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: teetering on. Uh yeah, yeah, I think I mean, we
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: should have gotten suspended for cross checking dude in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: neck the other probably last series.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, most are you worried, speaking of retribution and repercussion
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: a word you've heard on this show, Are you worried
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: that a Minnesota player may take a run, may make
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: a run at McKinnon.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know why they would. He didn't do
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: anything dirty. They made they made they making the question. Well,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: they may be in their fields, but let me explain something. Well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: they're gonna They're definitely gonna they're definitely gonna try to
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: get a body on him big time. He can take
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: care of himself.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: That right now. Nathan McKinnon can take care of himself. Well,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, so dirty, what would be dirty?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: The boldie thing?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what they even Minnesota, even the Wild
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: don't think it was a dirty play. The Wild don't
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: think it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean again, you don't have to do something dirty.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: I mean in the very first moment, I'm.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, Vick, I'm sure they're gonna change their two
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and they're gonna try to get physical.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying the car right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, I am sure they are going to go that route.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be as desperate a hockey club as you
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: will find. Because if they know, if they lose Game
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: three at home and they're down three to oh they
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: eight went and four straight against the Colorado Avalanche, they
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: know that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Uh. Some Broncos news here in the last fifteen minutes,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: fifth round pick at tight end, Justin Joe Lee. He
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: has agreed to terms on a four year contract, as
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: well as seventh round safety Miles Scott, so two more
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: guys under contract. Jolie is interesting. He's not like a
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: prototypical tight end. He's not that big, but he's thick.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Some people have questioned maybe he can be a slot receiver,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: like a big slot sort of guy. Get a decent
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: matchup against a nickel or something.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Now, isn't that what Evan Ingram is?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Well, he plays on the scrimmage.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: They've got seven flipping tight ends in the room. They're
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: gonna full good. They're gonna find one to do something good.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: That room sucks, well, yeah, one of them pops. That's
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: that's like me and my quarterbacks bring a billion of
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: them in until you find one that pops.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: You know, if you're not gonna play your tight end
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: tight to the line, then you have to change the name.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: It's not a tight end anymore. I don't want to
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: hear this y and f crap. If your tight end
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: lines up outside all the time, it's not a tight end.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: A tight end definition is tight to the line, tight tight,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: tight on the line, flanker, that's what you want. I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: we keep talking about tight end.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe this is more accurate that you say split end,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: because he is split from the line, but he's still
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a tight end.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's more accurate.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Branella and I like being I like him being tight nailed.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Flanker's flanker, tight ends, tight end.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Well you got fifteen from somebody said, how about a
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: loose end?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Some of those terms are are no longer used, like
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: the flanker term, the how about halfback? Anybody a half
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: back anymore?
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: We've already talked about this a billion times. I give
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: my Kingdom for a tailback, a tailback, and we went
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: through this before running backs half back's tailbacks.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: There's a difference, Okay, running back, half back, tailback. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: throw out name, you tell me which category I'll.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Go with it. Go ahead, all right.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Just let's start with a couple of big ones. Barry
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Sanders running back.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Running back. Yeah, he's neither of those. None of those.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Charrel Davis running back, running back, running back.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Pollyan Kaufman tailback, half back, yeah, half back, yeah, Christian
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Nakoye running back, almost a full back.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: You gotta go. If you want tailbacks, you got better.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Allen's a tailback.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Eric Dickerson running back.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I'd almost call him a tailback because he would stand
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: up in the backfield.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: But his but his size was huge. He was gigantic.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Darren Sprolls, Yeah, half back.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Here's here's your here's a you're you're you're.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Giving me guys that are too young and what tail
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Smith kind of a little deeper I'm looking at.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Walter Payton was a tailback, exactly Dickerson.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I give the tail back.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: He could be a tailback.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Ricky Waters when.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: He played for San Francis tailback, Thurman Thomas running back.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you that I can't. It's hard to even
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: explain it, but but you know where you.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Know, I think it was an era from like the
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: mid seventies to the mid eighties, where tailbacks were pronounced.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: That was the position.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: USC was tailback tailback. Trying to think, by the way,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: every time you say justin Jolie, I can't get it
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: out of my head. I get dully parton rattling around.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: I can't help Jolie, Jolie, Jolie, Jolie. Can you catch
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: the freaking ball?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, it could be something I suppose we use if
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: he scores a touchdown.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Ricky Williams tailback?
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Who who was?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Uh? Who's Oh wait, Ricky Williams. I was just thinking
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Ricky Waters. I'm sorry, Ricky Williams running back?
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Who's Eric Dickerson's running made at smu he Smith.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was also a tailback then tailbacks, two tailback system?
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: You got two tailbacks, Brett.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Dude, you ever been at the two tailback system? You
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: don't even know what.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You know? You are upright and you are running like
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: the wind. Hey, do you know what it's like to
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: set up like this?
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Look look at me.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Do you know what that's like? You are upright and
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: you're running like the wind.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: You don't see this anymore?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what every running back does?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: But not like they did.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: What does that mean they all look like that, they
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: don't look back.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Is flat.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: There's two exceptions to that. It's Ashingenti and Jamier Gibbs.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: They stand straight up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: And and to add to this, it's always a mid
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: drift jersey.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Always always you always see some skin. Charles White was
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: a tailback, always skin. They go full You gotta be
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: full on, Shania Twins.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, you don't wait, Hey, there's none this delay crap.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: As soon as the ball snap you go. There's no Hey,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: let's hang out and and fake pep people. There's no faking.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: You just go full on, Shanaia.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks for the history lesson.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Well you're welcome. See this is why I took so
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: much offense to the to the frigging Wizard of Oz thing,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: because tailbats are in my brain, They're not in your brain.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Who would make the best tailback out of ten man
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Scarecrow in the Cowardly line?
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Definitely the Scarecrow Scarecrow.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: He was the most nimble a million miles. The line
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: was just a little fat dude burning around all I.
• 44:28
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• 44:33
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• 44:35
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• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Here's a fact checker for you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Who's Craig Smith. It's Craig James. That's who I met,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Craig James, I said, Craig James said Greg Smith Smith
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Smith smooth smoth.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: Go ahead, No, Smith's moth, smooth sauna. Here's the cool
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: thing that can happen to you if you get a
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: sauna from Flat Iron's Fire.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: According to Vic, but you have to buy a sauna,
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: and you can get one at flatirnsfire dot com. They
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: build the best. They come out and put them together
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: for you. You don't have to touch a finger.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: And now, Vick, if I may, I'm gonna go back
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: in the fossil record to April sixteenth. Here is your
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Flat Irons Fire live read from that day.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: And they put it together right in front of you. You
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: don't have to touch a finger. Oh what are you doing?
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: You look got you've got a finger touching. Uh.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: I do a little bit too much touching and.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: There your touch your your finger touching back.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one question.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Wow, Nellie, good give me the first finger. Lift a finger.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to say.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Give me the first half back that comes to mind
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: for you. First one, Mark first half back? Yeah, just halfback.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Go Rob lidel Brod Lidol's Denver Broncos halfback?
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, what is a half back?
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: What if Rob Lydele actually had a tail? Does that
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: change anything?
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Oh you mean like from uh shallow howl?
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: What if he actually had a tail? Does that make
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: him a tail? Though?
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Man, sometimes I'd like to think I'd like to have
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: a tail. Be kind of cool.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: All right, And with that, we'll talk to you guys tomorrow. iTunes, Spotify,
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• 46:14
  Speaker 5: You have a great day.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: See it