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Hamsters Can't Laugh (S1 E11, “Paris Is Burning”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in, kiss you, I am all in
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Everybody, it's uh,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Patterson here with the I Am all In Podcast
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  Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio. Man, what an episode. Paris is burning.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot more burning than Paris. I would say,
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  Speaker 1: Max Medina and Laurel I are burning, Emily is burning
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  Speaker 1: down at Laurel I. Rory is burning down at Paris
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  Speaker 1: and burning her down, and man burning down Laureli. It's unbelievable. Listen, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I hate to tell you. I told you so, and
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  Speaker 1: I warned you about this, but um everything that I
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  Speaker 1: thought would happen happened. It happened in one episode. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't expect it this quickly. But my god, it was
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  Speaker 1: like getting in the ring with Mike Tyson and you
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  Speaker 1: just keep getting slugged and slugged and slugged, and there
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  Speaker 1: it is. I mean, it all just came apart, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful thing to watch, wasn't it. It
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  Speaker 1: It was just it was just lovely. Um I I
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be right. It pains me to
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  Speaker 1: see this very And here's the thing about Rory. She
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  Speaker 1: is such a strong, young woman. That's the thing for
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  Speaker 1: me that came through in this episode is her strength,
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  Speaker 1: her strength that she has had to deal with all
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  Speaker 1: of this, and especially it's sort of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you put a cap on it at the end when
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  Speaker 1: she comes in and and and cuddles her own mother.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who is the child? Who is the daughter
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  Speaker 1: who's raising who? Here? Um? But I get I really
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  Speaker 1: like the way this episod so uh really portrayed a
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  Speaker 1: single mother who needs to have a life outside of
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  Speaker 1: this because of course it's all been set up that hey,
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  Speaker 1: she's you know, Rory's going off to Harvard or Gale
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  Speaker 1: wherever she's going to go off to and what about
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  Speaker 1: your life? And it was really good dramay, it was
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  Speaker 1: really more drama than comedy. But it was, my god,
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  Speaker 1: that was powerful, powerful episode. I knew this was gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: I was it just it just seemed like perfect set
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  Speaker 1: up for something like this to happen. And it all
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  Speaker 1: blew up. Boy did it blow up? And the moment
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  Speaker 1: the Paris came by and and saw those two you know,
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  Speaker 1: neck in in the classroom. Boyn um. Anyway, Um, we
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  Speaker 1: have a very very special guest and she's waiting in
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  Speaker 1: the waiting room, and let me read a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Marrow Wilson. Okay, and you know her and your
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  Speaker 1: love her. Marra Wilson is known for her childhood roles
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  Speaker 1: in Mrs doubt Fire and Matilda. Mara's first book, Where
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  Speaker 1: Am I Now? True Stories of Girlholding Accidental Fame, is
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  Speaker 1: available from Penguin Random House. Marra Wilson will be joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Can't wait to talk to her. She is a Gilmore
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  Speaker 1: Girls super fan and we will be back after these messages. Yeah, okay, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: We're back. Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: heart radio. We are going to bring in Marrow Wilson here,
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  Speaker 1: who is a Gilmore Girls super fan and um a
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  Speaker 1: very successful actress in her ow right. And there she is. Hello, Maura,
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  Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Hi, Nice to meet you two.
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  Speaker 1: I am so excited about that. I am very excited
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  Speaker 1: about this too. After reading your resume and being aware
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  Speaker 1: of your my publicist emailed me and she knows me
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  Speaker 1: very well, and she was immediately like, I assume that
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do this, and I wrote back
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  Speaker 1: like yes in all caps. Immediately she knows, she knows
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan, We're glad to have you, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're a Gilmore Girls super fan. What was it that
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  Speaker 1: initially captured you. You're a writer of some note now,
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  Speaker 1: so I imagine the writing grabbed you immediately. Definitely. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm usually either I'm usually very behind the curb
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  Speaker 1: on things, and I was kind of on Gilmore Girls too.
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  Speaker 1: I I didn't start watching it until like the fourth
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  Speaker 1: or fifth season, and my brother John was a huge
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  Speaker 1: student of it. Though he loved it. And John liked
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  Speaker 1: a lot of of the like c w w B,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ABC Family, free Form, Fox Family kind of shows.
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  Speaker 1: He liked a lot of them, but Gilmore Girls was
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  Speaker 1: was always like it always had a special place in
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  Speaker 1: his heart. And I think at that time, I think
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  Speaker 1: that I was like when at first from here, I
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  Speaker 1: think I was like, uh, you know, I was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like too much of a tomboy, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is and going to be something I want to watch.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be too girly. Later on I would realize
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  Speaker 1: that I actually love girly stuff. But um, I started
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  Speaker 1: watching it with him when he would like he was
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  Speaker 1: he was in college at the time and he would
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  Speaker 1: come home, and I would watch it with him, and
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  Speaker 1: just the witty banter and just the way that everybody
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  Speaker 1: talked and how fast it was, And it felt kind
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  Speaker 1: of similar to my family because there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of in my family. There was a lot of talking
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  Speaker 1: over each other and dropping all these references and dropping
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  Speaker 1: all these quotes, and so that felt very familiar and
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  Speaker 1: it felt very fun. So yeah, I think it really
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  Speaker 1: was the dialogue, I think, and and writing dialogue is
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite things ever, probably because I grew
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  Speaker 1: up on film sets and I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time listening to adults talk, so good dialogue really gets
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  Speaker 1: to me. It. Uh, I absolutely love it. So that
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  Speaker 1: that is something that I think is very important to
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  Speaker 1: me and something that I I gravitated to right away.
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  Speaker 1: So many great characters, so difficult for a writer to
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  Speaker 1: create so many distinct, unique voices in one care amazing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many. There's it's it's so interesting because the
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  Speaker 1: rhythm is all very similar, I think, but everybody has
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  Speaker 1: such a distinct voice, and there really isn't like a
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  Speaker 1: weak link in in any of in any of the characters.
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  Speaker 1: Like you, you love all the characters, even even the
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  Speaker 1: ones that you hate, you kind of love because they're
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  Speaker 1: just so fully formed and they're so they're so fascinating
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  Speaker 1: and they're so interesting in their own way. So I immediately,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I started watching it, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is really good, and I don't know what I
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  Speaker 1: was expecting. But I also love drama tase. I think
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  Speaker 1: that I think that kind of and I write like
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  Speaker 1: the stuff I right tends to be kind of drama esque.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there really isn't such a thing in
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  Speaker 1: life as like a truly comedic or truly dramatic moment.
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  Speaker 1: There's like a seed of of you know, you find
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  Speaker 1: the comedy in the sad, and there's always a bit
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  Speaker 1: of tragic in the comedics. So I think drama tas
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  Speaker 1: are are are like the sweet spot. They're very true
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  Speaker 1: to life. Let's break down the episode a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So you watched you watch the episode, yes I did.
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  Speaker 1: I did, And you know that the previous two episodes
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  Speaker 1: I think are are like some of the best episodes
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  Speaker 1: I think. So, so I watched those. I went back
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  Speaker 1: and because I went to watch it, and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I need to go back and watch these two first,
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  Speaker 1: because I love these and uh. And my sister was like,
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  Speaker 1: can we just watch Guilmard Girls from the beginning again?
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  Speaker 1: And we might end up doing that. We might end
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  Speaker 1: up doing that. Uh. And she was hesitant to get
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  Speaker 1: into it too, but as soon as she got into it,
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  Speaker 1: she was like, Oh, this is the best show. I
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  Speaker 1: love it. And so it's something that means a lot
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  Speaker 1: to both of us. Uh and uh. And but but
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  Speaker 1: I think that that this character, this show, it's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: this this one episode has it focuses on one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite Gilmo Girls characters and one of my least
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  Speaker 1: favorite Guilmo Girls characters. I don't like Max Medina. And yes, yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because because he suffers from a terminal case of not
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  Speaker 1: being Luke. Um, I am Luke and Laurela all the way. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And and but also for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: because I've seen Scott Cohen on other shows and I've
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  Speaker 1: loved him on them. I loved him on The Americans,
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  Speaker 1: and and so I was like, well, I know it's
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  Speaker 1: not the actor. He's a great actor and the writing
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  Speaker 1: is good, so what is it? And then I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, he reminds me of my ninth grade English
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  Speaker 1: teacher who was always kind of he tried. He this
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  Speaker 1: was a guy who loved to talk about like how
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  Speaker 1: nice and kind and emotional and enlightened he was, but
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  Speaker 1: he was actually just kind of a big jerk and
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  Speaker 1: he was and he really didn't like me. And I
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  Speaker 1: really loved his class, but he really didn't like me.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, he gives me big Mr you know,
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  Speaker 1: Mr h feelings. He he reminds me of him, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I was. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was like going through a tough time, which honestly,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody is when they're fourteen, but you know, like
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  Speaker 1: like things, there were a lot of big changes in
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  Speaker 1: my life, and I was kind of struggling with my
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  Speaker 1: identity and I I was I was a bit like
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I. I was loud and I was obnoxious, and
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  Speaker 1: I was always talking over everybody, and I would blurt
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  Speaker 1: things out in class and I would embarrass myself and
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  Speaker 1: I would embarrass my friends. And I think that I
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  Speaker 1: was just too intense for him, and he didn't he
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  Speaker 1: he didn't like that, and so he remember he kicked
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  Speaker 1: me out of his class once because I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: out of turn. Like too much. And he told me,
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  Speaker 1: he said, has anybody ever told you that you rubbed
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  Speaker 1: them the wrong way? And I was like, what a
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  Speaker 1: thing to say, And especially when it's especially when it's
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  Speaker 1: coming from somebody who who's like all about psychology and
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  Speaker 1: all about Freud and will be like, tell me about
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  Speaker 1: your parents, tell me about your life, and like being
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  Speaker 1: insulted by like a sensitive, a sensibly gentle person is
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  Speaker 1: like the worst thing that can happen. And I had
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  Speaker 1: a bit of Luke and me too, I was also
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  Speaker 1: kind of I was also kind of grumpy, so uh
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  Speaker 1: so I think that kind of that kind of put
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  Speaker 1: him off, and you know that puts some people off. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so Max reminds me of him. But also he's just
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  Speaker 1: not Luke. So so it's just like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: watch these episodes and and and Luke is like a
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  Speaker 1: part of them, and and then oh and and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then here's here's not again, So that
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  Speaker 1: I think was part of it. And but Paris, Paris
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  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite characters. She is so entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: So I loved I loved the Paris moments in this one,
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  Speaker 1: plenty of them. Uh yes, yes, what a what a
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  Speaker 1: mean girl. But you know, and I know how they
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  Speaker 1: try to justify it through the divorce, The horrible divorce
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  Speaker 1: has a family in Paris and a second family in Paris. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think some very famous people had second
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  Speaker 1: families in Paris. Buck Fuller, I think had a family
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  Speaker 1: and another family. There's you know, a lot of writers
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  Speaker 1: had second families. I mean, it seems to be a
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  Speaker 1: theme amongst the tortured creative souls. Yeah, they all had
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  Speaker 1: like their their wives and their mistresses and yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them were in Paris, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that that was kind of more that was that was
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  Speaker 1: seen as like even more acceptable. Like here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they would they would shame you for that, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: but but in in France, you know, that was you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was seen as as acceptable. And and excuse me
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  Speaker 1: to hear that, like like, um, amongst the royal family
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  Speaker 1: and aristocratic people, it's considered kind of cool if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you're like partners having an affair with somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: like more aristocratic or more royal. Like some people said,
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  Speaker 1: like about Camilla Parker Bowls, like her husband was like
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, she's sleeping with the prince and that's
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  Speaker 1: cool because he's so high status. So but things are
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  Speaker 1: very different in the US. But I love Paris, and
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  Speaker 1: I just love seeing and I mean, this is one
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  Speaker 1: of the few times that you see her mom and
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  Speaker 1: and you kind of get a feeling that Paris was
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  Speaker 1: actually raised by her nanny, you know, And and she
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  Speaker 1: is very lonely. And and I think people who are
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  Speaker 1: kind of born into chaos, they tend to maybe not
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  Speaker 1: thriving chaos, but they're used to chaos, and they kind
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  Speaker 1: of create chaos around them because that's what they're used
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  Speaker 1: to and what that's what they that that allows them
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  Speaker 1: to kind of have the upper hand. So really, one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite lines on the show ever, I think
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  Speaker 1: is in a later season, uh, when Rory and Paris
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  Speaker 1: are getting along and Emily says, now there's Paris. Are
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  Speaker 1: you two friends? Never can tell? So I saw a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of Emily in Paris's mother. Oh yeah, for sure,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. And there's a lot of there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of of there's a lot of oh my gosh, i's
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  Speaker 1: gonna quote the show. There's a lot of Emily in Paris. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there is, though, there's they definitely and they understand each other.
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  Speaker 1: I think when they get together they kind of understand
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  Speaker 1: each other. And Emily sometimes finds her I think a
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  Speaker 1: little annoying. But I think it's that thing where you
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  Speaker 1: can see another people what you don't like in yourself.
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  Speaker 1: You know, It's like looking in a mirror, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that that's kind of what it is. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I found really interesting about Emily scene with Laurela
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  Speaker 1: when they come over for dinner and she wants to
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  Speaker 1: confront about the kissing Maximndina, she was incredibly restrained. She
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  Speaker 1: ramps it up, you know, something big is happening, but
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't abuse the scene. As an actor, she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: abuse that scene. She she really plays the exasperation beautifully,
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  Speaker 1: like I just don't understand you. Are you insane? Please
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  Speaker 1: explain this to me, and gives her a chance to explain,
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  Speaker 1: and she listens. She does listen. I think you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Bishop is great with that. She's very great with
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  Speaker 1: with restrained, restrained emotions and restrained scenes. And that's something
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  Speaker 1: I think I feel like you cadn't see in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of her performances. You know, you can see that
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  Speaker 1: in Dirty Dancing, to where she she always has a
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  Speaker 1: look on her face like she wants to say something,
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  Speaker 1: but she won't. You know, she wants to do something,
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  Speaker 1: but she won't. And you can hear that on you know,
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  Speaker 1: the chorus line cast album, just talking about her family
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  Speaker 1: and things. So she think, I think, is she as
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  Speaker 1: an actress is kind of a master of restraint and
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  Speaker 1: she wants to do these things, but she she doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the difference between the difference between her
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  Speaker 1: and Laura Lae is Emily sees all these restrictions in
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  Speaker 1: place as an important thing and they are the way
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  Speaker 1: that things are and you have to live by them.
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  Speaker 1: And Laura just hasn't. She hasn't ever seen that. She's
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  Speaker 1: she's never understood why do we need to do this?
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  Speaker 1: She's never understood the why of it? And Emily, Emily
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  Speaker 1: is like, there there, there isn't a why, you just
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  Speaker 1: do There's so much and and and I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's it's such a great restrained scene,
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  Speaker 1: I think, And I don't know. You see, you see
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  Speaker 1: one thing that's really nice about this episode as you
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  Speaker 1: see these two you see Paris kind of having to
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  Speaker 1: admit that she did something wrong. And you also see
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  Speaker 1: you see Rory and and Laura Lee relating what you
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  Speaker 1: see Rory having to take care of Laura Lie. I
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  Speaker 1: think at the end of this episode, which is really interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that this early in the show, that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the first time you see this. It's the
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  Speaker 1: first time you see Paris sort of admit to to
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  Speaker 1: a fault, to a flaw and be vulnerable. And it's
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  Speaker 1: one of the first times you see that. And and
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  Speaker 1: you know that that Rory sometimes take takes care of
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  Speaker 1: Laura La, but it's one of the first times you
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  Speaker 1: actually see it. What really shined through for me was
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  Speaker 1: was Rory's strength, her her role, being able to stand
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  Speaker 1: up to Paris in such a cool man, and being
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  Speaker 1: able to stand up to her own mother, bargaining at
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  Speaker 1: the table with her says well, I'm not returning the
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  Speaker 1: book and screw you, and I'm going into my room.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing yourself. Yeah, she's a tough kid. She is
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  Speaker 1: a tough kid, and and it you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: that as she gets a little bit older, she kind
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  Speaker 1: of she loses her way a little bit. She gets
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  Speaker 1: she gets more anxious about herself and she second guesses,
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  Speaker 1: but at this age, she she has that and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, and I feel like I had a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that. I think a lot of people do.
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  Speaker 1: And I've actually seen interviews with like Lisa Whiles she said, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when I was young, I was very outgoing and believed
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  Speaker 1: in myself, and then as I got older, I got shire.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like Rory kind of does that as
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  Speaker 1: a character too. But she is she's so strong and
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  Speaker 1: it's not just taking care of her mother, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's also just it's also, yeah, her standing up for herself.
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  Speaker 1: She's a very strong sense of self at this age,
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  Speaker 1: which which is really remarkable. And and Laura I did
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  Speaker 1: do Laura La, Laura La knew who she was. She
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  Speaker 1: you know, she she you know, she she probably did
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  Speaker 1: some things that you know, changed her life, and she she,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she did some things. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: say it made a mistake because Worry is like a
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  Speaker 1: wonderful child and she's and she always says like, look,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really make a mistake. This is something that
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe I shouldn't have done, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sorry that it happened. But I think that she uh
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  Speaker 1: that she I don't know, it's it's uh, it's she.
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  Speaker 1: She also has a very strong sense of sense of self.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and and and so this, this whole this whole episode,
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  Speaker 1: I think and like, yea, so maybe I do like
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  Speaker 1: this episode more than I thought, because it is it
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  Speaker 1: is all about, uh, sort of having to come to
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: terms with who you are and your identity, especially with
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: with the idea of lore La letting Max into her
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: life and how resistant she is to that, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: seeing how Rory turned out in the Revival, but she
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: was doubting herself, second guessing herself, not really her life
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: not working out. Do you think those seeds were planted
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: in this series right away? I don't know about right away,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: but I mean in some ways, I also think that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a generational thing because I do know that a lot
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: of you know, because an extraordinary precocious beginning she had,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and now she's in this fancy private school, she's going
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to Harbor you and what happened? I mean I think
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, a lot of kids. You know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of kids like when they're told that they're
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: gifted when they're young, or when they're told that they're
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: talented when they're young, and I've experienced a bit of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: this myself, because you know, I was sort of h
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I started acting as a child, and I was kind
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of it's a smaller pond back then. And as I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: got older, you know, there were fewer and fewer roles,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and part of it was just well there was more competition,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: but and also and also it's harder to be an actor.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I think for me, it was almost easier to be
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: an actor when I was younger, because children are afraid
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: to be vulnerable, whereas adults learned to be afraid to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: be vulnerable. And I think that that is something that
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that you know. But but I do also think that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it's a sort of generational thing. I'm not sure what
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: it was exactly, but I do feel like most people
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I know, like in their mid thirties, are very unsure
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of themselves. And I don't know if it's the world
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that we grew up in or if it's the way
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you know, but but I do feel like, like Rory
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: is um, there's a story is kind of what we're like.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Sixteen year old girl who obviously is academically gifted, she
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: is psychologically prepared to deal with somebody in such a
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: cool manner as Paris. Who would have the wherewithal and
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the psychological power and the skills to deal with the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Paris at sixteen years old. You have to be a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: very smart, very cool character with a ton of experience
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: dealing with this kind of thing. And what she got
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: from dealing with It's like, how did she go wrong?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: How did it go bad? How did she not? I'm
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: not saying it went bad, I'm just how did she
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: get lost? You know? It's interesting. I feel like, like
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: maybe because because Rory is very interprustionally smart, and I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: think that she's smarter with other people than she is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: with herself. And it makes me wonder like if she
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: had if she had like become somebody who helps other people,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: if she had focused on that, you know, she had
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: studied psychology or something instead of instead of journalism and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: kind of like wanting to be a star. I feel like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that would have changed her. That would
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have you know, that would have been it. I also
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: think that there was there were some men in her
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: life who kind of steered her wrong, which which you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and I have my opinions on this too, and I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: will admit I used to hate Jess. I used to
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: really hate him. I was like, you're so mean to Luke,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: You're so men to Laura, like you jerk Rory around.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And I liked Dean at the beginning, you know, Uh yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I liked Dean and exactly. I think one of the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: first episodes I watched in full actually was the pop
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It episode, and I remember being like being like, why
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: is Luke so mean to him? And my brother was like,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you have to go back and watch and find out
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the sort of ups and downs that that happened there.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, okay, that's that is
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: reasonable for him to hate him, and Lucas protective. But
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: but yeah, but but I felt like Jess kind of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: came off the best in the in in in the Revival,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that he came off the best because he
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: has found him helf and he's not as angry anymore.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And Dean is Deana is very sweet, but Diana's very
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: much I think a lot of us have like that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: first boyfriend or that first girlfriend that you know, meant
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a lot to us and really showed us a lot
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of things and we learned a lot from them, and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and but we're glad we're not with them now, I
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: know that I do where I'm like where I'm like
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that was. That was a lot of fun, and that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was a great time and we both learned a lot
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: about ourselves. But we wouldn't have been happy if we
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: got married, you know, we wouldn't been happy if we
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: if we decided to stay partners. And I think that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what Dean is, and it's nice to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: see that he and Rory are still friendly. Um Logan
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is uh, Logan is the type of guy I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: where um and these people are dangerous. When you're around them,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you feel really good and they're very charismatic, and you
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: get kind of sucked in, and then when you're not
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: around them, you're like, that person is kind of weird.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should really be friends with them.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That's the feeling that I get from Logan. Very very charming,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: but also when you're not around them, you're like, huh,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I have kind of a weird feeling in my stuff,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: like like should I trust this person I didn't trust
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in the minute he called her Ace. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I felt. I mean, I've felt, you know, and I've
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I've definitely had you know, friendships and relationships with people
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: where they're very charming and they come up with little
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: nicknames for you and they say funny things to you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and it's so much fun. And then when you're and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: then when you're not with them, you are constantly defending
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: them to other people. It's a control thing. It is,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it really is, and it's it's kind of scary actually,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So it's a little strange. So yeah, I didn't like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: when he appeared in the revival. I was like, shut
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a flogan, go away, yeah, posing, posing, Yeah, I was like, wow, yeah, great, great,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Look we're talking about the characters here. We're not talking
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: about the people. We love the people. Well, the act
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of the place isn't Matt, Matt Supreme, Matt zu Cree.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I saw him on the street like ten years ago,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: walking down the street, and and um, I also saw
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Danny Strong walking down the street I think, like in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that same neighborhood. And afterwards I was like, I was like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: is this like a Gilmore girl's neighborhood? But I saw
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: him walking down the street and he looked looked like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: very handsome and nice, and I remember thinking like, oh man,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I feel so bad that I hate this guy's character.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He seems like a nice guy. Yeah he's got he's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: gotta walk that Razor's edgy, you know. And I've loved
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I've also loved my Loventimilian everything that I've seen him in.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And but but Jess, Jess, I struggled with. But don't
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: ever say that to a Jess fan, because Jess fans
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: are hardcore. Cut your head off. I think I also
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was probably too old for Jess, Like I think if
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I had seen him in UM, if I had started
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: watching the show when it first came out, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: when I was thirteen fourteen, I think that I probably
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: would have loved Jess. But by eighteen I had By
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, when I started watching it, UM, I had
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: been in an arts high school, and I knew a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: lot of guys like Jess, and I had dated them,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and I was done with them. You know. I was
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just like, you like poetry, maybe you have a guitar,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like I don't care. I was just like I was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so over it, so over it, but yeah I was.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it wasn't that's great,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that's great. So I was like, I was like, you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: had all that and you played baseball too, man, Like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I played through my sophomore year and I was so
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: annoyed by the coach. Um, yeah, I wasn't like a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: jockey jock guy. Yeah, I enjoyed. I loved playing. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was very good at it. But it just I just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be that person that the coach wanted
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: me to be. That makes sense, That makes sense. Baseball
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: players and baseball coaches can be so hard. So yes,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're in a discipline where you know
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: your body is your instrument. It's it's tough, like acting.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: As we break down this episode, as we talked about
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: this episode a little bit, where do you think it's going?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Where do you think? Uh? I mean, I can't even
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Here's what I like. Here's here's what I started liking Max.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I like the way Max suffered. I like the way
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Max faced his consequences. I like the way Max said,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: we need to take some time apart. This was devastating
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: for him. He almost lost the woman of his dreams,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and he almost lost his livelihood and he still might
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: lose his livelihood. Um, and as I stated earlier in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the podcast, this is this relationship between these two is
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: going to cost, could potentially cost him everything, and the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: school could be liable, and it's just a giant mess
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and what is going on and why is she doing this?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Can you justify this on any level? Can you explain
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: this to my dumbhead why anybody would do something like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this and put their child at this much risk in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the middle of this much of a maelstrom. Um, I mean,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like and it's weird because honestly, I feel
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like if it were if it were like a public school,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that happens, you know, that happens like, um, you know
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: where we're teachers, teachers and you know, parents and teachers,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: they date like that. I've seen, you know, I've seen
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that happen. People married, h you know, somebody married the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: coach or the this or that that. But at someplace
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like Chilton, I feel like there's this sort of and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a class based thing or what,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: because while I was watching this at first, I was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like, I was like, what's the big deal, Like, Okay, yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been making out at school, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it could influence are grades and also but also it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a it's a class thing. I think there's there's definitely
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like you guys kind of can't mix and and for them,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's probably a bit like a doctor dating a patient,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: which you know, which really is like unethical. I mean,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: it's not like a teacher dating a student, which is
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: you know, unethical and illegal. But but although that happens
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to um, but um they were, I think, like, I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I also think sometimes people people are
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: very good for each other, but it's just not the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: right time, it's just not the right place. They're kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of star crossed. But the thing is that I I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: personally believe and I don't know if this is just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: because I'm a Luke and Laura La kind of person,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and and uh, I think that like there was something
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that just wasn't right with it. And I feel like
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you can see it with Laura La. She keeps talking
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: about what a good guy he is. She keeps talking
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: about you know, she's like, he's a good guy. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and I think that maybe she's even using Rory as
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: an excuse. I think this is happening to me too,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: where you meet somebody and they're really wonderful and they're
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: everything you want on paper, but there's just not the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: comfort and the connection that you can see with her
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and Luke in the previous episode where they understand each other.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And and that's the thing too, Like how comfortable Rory
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is with Luke is one thing as opposed to um too,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Rory being announcing you know, I'm comfortable with Max. I'm
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: totally comfortable with Max. You know. It's it's if you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: really are. Do you feel that kind of comfort? I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: think you don't really need to say it, and I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: feel like that. So I feel like that is it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: is is different. You know, that is something different. Um.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But then I'm also a big fan of stories where
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: people are like best friends and they go on to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: UH to get married. And I've also seen that happen
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in real life. It happened to a family member of
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: mine and UH, and it's very cute when that happens.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So so I like that narrative. I think a little
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: bit more than like this person is perfect on paper,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: but you know, or or or we can't be together
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: because of you know, class reasons or job reasons or
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: something like that. I you know, I like the I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like the best friends slowly realizing their in love, you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: because there that that comes with the foundation of trust
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I think, as opposed to just kind of liking what
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the other person stands for. Let me, and that's just
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: popped in them. Do you think that there's a part
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of Lauraae, there's something inside her that longs to go
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: back to Hartford, longs to go back to the country club,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: longs to go back and be accepted by her family
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and live that life. Do you think that she has
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: any even a tinge of regret at what she did
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: at sixteen? What happened her at sixteen, that's a really
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: good and maybe that's why she's sabotaging the Max thing,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: knowing full well it's not going to work out, because
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of course it's not going to work out, And maybe
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's why there is this sort of undercurrent of I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: don't know, sort of a sec there's a sort of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: a hostile superiority, and you know, I don't I don't
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: want I don't want to mislead our listeners. I'm not
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: saying that she's hostile towards Luke, but she does have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: this kind of way of I don't know, joking with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: him that's a little too familiar sometimes, and that she
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: she hates herself for loving Luke and doesn't want to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: admit it because he's too low down on the on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the class side for her. Well, that's something you see
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: because because Emily, I feel like, you know, and you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: were talking about this in the last podcast episode, Emily,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like she does like Luke, but I think
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: she feels like she can't like Luke and that becomes
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a source of conflict later on. She can't like him. Um,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But I think that I don't know, I don't think
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that she wants to go back to it necessarily, but
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I do think that she realizes in some ways that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: she is dependent upon it in some ways, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And and that's really the struggle for her is sort
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of and that you know, and that can be kind
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of that is something for a lot of people who
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: come from a privileged background. But don't you know, people
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: who like like people who who are very against how
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you know, their families made their money, maybe their families
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: made their money doing something unethical, but they're you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the kind of kind of like meato soprano kind of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: thing where it's like, I don't like where this money
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is coming from, but I need it so I can
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: go on to to uh, you know, to to to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: become a lawyer or become a doctor, become whatever it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is I want to do. She she does sometimes she
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: needs that money, and especially for Rory, I think, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I think in some ways
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: she does want Rory to live that life, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: she she struggles. She doesn't want her to be a debutante,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want her to be doing all those things.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But I do think that she wants Rory to still
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: have those advantages. She wants her to go to Harvard.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Uh and and she knows that she's going to need
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that connection. So I don't know if it's a want
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so much as a need. I think subconsciously she knows
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that she needs through her, she's going to should have
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: happened with her, Yeah, I think so. I I do
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: think that she does. And that's one of the struggles
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I think in in the show too, is is you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: know her her kind of and and I think that
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: she knows that in some ways that she's living vicariously
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: through Rory. And I think that's one of Louralie's biggest
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: internal struggles is trying not to do that so much,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: which is you know, which is something I understood because
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: my mother had been an actor and then she you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: later on I I when I started acting as a child,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: my mom struggled every day to not be seen as
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a stage mother because she was terrified and she was like,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I know, somebody's gonna be like, oh, you majored. You know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you were in Northwestern theater major and your daughters and actress.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Are you living vicariously through her? You know? So, so
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that's something that I recognize. I think, Um, and uh,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's it's um, I don't know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's so I do think that she probably
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: needs it. She knows that she needs it. Rory very
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: strong kid, very strong. Yeah. Um, And isn't it It's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: interesting how all of these people's home lives are playing
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: out in dialogue and that the writing is paying attention
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to this and how much it influences all these interactions
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: at children with these kids, because it's really just all
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: about what's going on at home that I've always said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: because I really like it's so funny because if you read,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like the first play that I wrote when I was
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in college and like in graduating college, it was called people,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and you can see I think more girls and women's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: there because the way that references are dropped and the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: way people are talking over each other, and the way
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that people are are doing these things. My my, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: remember my playwriting teachers even saying and like my progress report.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: She's like, I know, we tease you a lot about
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: all your references, but and uh and it was true.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It was just but that was that was really so.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So it was a really big influence. But I've learned,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I think because I like, I saw a lot of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: plays when I was living in New York, and I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would see some where they would be really clever dialogue,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't good dialogue. It didn't reveal anything about
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: about these people. Like, um, I feel this way a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: little bit about like Cole Porter songs, like all cool
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Porter songs are incredibly clever and funny, but very rarely
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: do they reveal anything about a character the way that
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like a Sandheim song does, or even a Rogers and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Hammerstand song or Rodgers and Heart song does. I'm a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: big musical theater, so um so that's the kind of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: thing or or like or like a lot of jazz songs,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: do you know um so, so I think that that's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and and and it's okay if you're writing is just clever,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you know. But but Gilmer Girls, I think is is
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a level of writing where everything, everything reveals a character
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and everything, you know. Another one of my favorite lines
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: is when is when uh, Laura lies like you you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't assume, because when you assume, and she's gonna say,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you make an ass out of you and me, But
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: then she realizes she can't tell that joke to Emily.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So she's just like, because you just shouldn't and she
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: holds back. And and that's the thing too, is that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is that so much of dialogue and I think you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: see this with Luke, and you see this see this
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: later on with Jess. There's also what you're not saying,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So so that's that's another thing. There's there's it's something
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that you're not saying that you're not saying, And I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: mean the Woody banter. I love it. It's like popcorn
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to me, but but you know, you have to be
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you you. I don't know, there's there's so much sense
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: revealed in it, and that that's really what I love
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: about this show. What is your I'm gonna ask you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: if that's okay, here we go. Who's your favorite character
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: who you relate to the most? Oh? Okay, um, let's see.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I I I don't know really who my favorite character is.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I I think I love Lane. Lane is great. Um,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I love Luke, but there's uh, I don't know. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: really love Paris. I think Paris is like one of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: my favorite characters. But I feel like a lot of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: my favorite characters and things are really like the most
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: earnest ones, you know. I think the most earnest ones
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: are always are always the funniest and and sometimes it's
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: characters who are very earnest and sweet and open, you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's earnest characters who are a bit too
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: too harsh uh and and uh. And I think Paris
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: is kind of one of those. Paris can't be anything
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: other than who she is, and that's really why I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: love her. I I kind of have like a love
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: hate relationship with Emily because I I I hate the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: way she upholds these like archaic things, you know, But
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but I also I also love who she is as
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: a person, and I love the way that she loves Rory,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: so you know, so that's really a thing. Uh Suki too.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Suki is another earnest character that I really love. I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I love, I do love the earnest characters. And and
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy is also a genius. So I loved seeing
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: her in this and then you know, ten years later
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: seeing her in Bridesmaids and can you ever Forgive Me?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And all of these things, and I'm just like, I'm
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: just like, gosh, she can do anything anything. Isn't it
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: amazing that Hollywood took this long to discover her when
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: she was doing that work one years ago? She was
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: doing that level of work years ago, and nobody cast
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: her in a film. Yeah, and you can, yeah, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: she does and she can. Yeah, she can do everything.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So I I I absolutely adore her. Um, I love
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I love Lauren Grandma's as Laura la I think and
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and and I also love Edward A. Grahaman is as
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like when he when he died, I I think I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: actually said out loud, oh no, grandpa died like he
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he felt kind of like everybody's grandpa. So so I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: can't really choose. I can't really choose, Like, who do
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I relate to? Um? I don't think I relate to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Rory that much because I felt growing up like I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was kind of a screw up, like I was more
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I think that I and that's probably not true, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I was always told you have so much potential, why
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: are you wasting it? And I think that's because I was.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I was a very scattered brandchild. I I like, you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I I in college they told me, you know, you
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: have a d h D. That's why you relate to things,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That's why you lose things, you know, So maybe that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: was what was what it was. And I was very
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I was very anxious. I was. I was always nervous.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I was always anxious about it. So I think there's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Laura Lae. I think that I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: also can do sort of the gruff but loving thing. Um.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I definitely have a besides. So I think that there's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: especially as I good older, I relate to Luke more
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and more. And I'm also very pragmatic and I think
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Luke is too, you know, whereas Laurelai, I think is
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: like more whimsical. So UM, I don't know, maybe maybe
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like the child they would have had. Uh yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I but but because because I think I have kind
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: of both the the you know, the passionate aspect of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: me and the loud, talkative thing. Um, I'm not a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: coffee drink grama to drinker. But but yeah, but I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: but I do also have a little bit of of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Luke's practicality and roughness and uh, we're not gruffness, but
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: but grumpiness and uh and complains like I have. I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: have both sides in me. I think a wide array
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of character personalities to choose from. We can pick a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: little bus is out of out of all of them.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's an amazing array, it really is. Um.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Another fan question, You're ready? Um, okay, So we're going
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to get into this. Well, I think you've already expressed
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: how I probably have. I tend to I tend to ramble.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: How you've you've expressed how you feel about Max Medina.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I have been very clear about how I feel about
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: even though we love Scott Corner. What is your favorite
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Kirk Mick odd job. Oh my gosh, Um, I love
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: when he plays Jesus and he's so rude to Judas
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: in the in the Festival of Living Art. That was
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: his favorite character played by the way he came on
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the podcast, he said he favored Jesus over everybody. I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: love I love Sean Gun. Yeah, I love Sean Gun
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in this um. One of the first episodes I watched
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: is the one where he's the projectionist and he they're
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: trying to show cool hand Luke but they can't. Um.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: There's I love him as the as the dj at.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It was this wedding, yeah, where where he's just playing
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like Kajagugu and and like wangng and and just like
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: all the Terrible eighties one whit wonders. Yeah, I I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: loved I love him as. I love that too. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: think that's yeah, that's that's those are probably my favorites. Um,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I see what haven't we covered in the episode? Who
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: is your favorite character? Do you think right now? Emily? Yeah? Yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Emily and Rory Yeah, Emily and Rory. I think I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: think I kind of I don't know. I I think
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that as I as I get older, I sort of
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: relate to Emily a little bit more. I mean I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: think that she kind of when you grew up in
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that kind of culture, I think you also there's a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: limit to how much free will you have? Uh And
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and I also think that I also think that Laura
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I probably takes after her father a little bit more
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: because her father is somebody who takes risks and does
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: big things, whereas Emily isn't. Emily's like, Nope, there's a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: code and I have to live by it. Um so
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: so that I think is something. You know, maybe that's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: where Laurea lies, you know, impulsiveness and creativity comes from that,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: even though you know, even though corporate she's a corporate wife.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I mean he's uh, what is He's a VP of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a huge insurance company. I mean this guy is uh,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he does he does so much. But yeah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I think I also love and maybe it's because I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: love Kelly Bishop, but I do feel like, like when
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I was younger, I think I was like I was
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: like Emily so mean, but now I'm like, no, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: understand her more. I think, yeah, I have a question
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: for both of you. Yeah, okay, So it's a two parter.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Was Laura lia doing the right thing for herself for
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Rory for whoever? When she was sort of pulling back
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: from Max and not returning his calls, and then they
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: have the incident in the school room where she's sort
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of trying to break up with him by giving him
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: back the book. That's part one. Was she doing the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: right thing? Part two? Did Max do the right thing
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in the coffee shop at the end of the episode
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: by telling her or they need to take a break,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Because that was heart breaking for me. After she's now
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: endured all this embarrassment and he breaks up with her,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god. So I'd love to hear
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: both of you talk about both those sort of those
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: those moments. I think she might have been doing the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: right thing, but she didn't go about it the right way.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you have to be honest with somebody, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and and she just kind of wasn't. I think she
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: wasn't as upfront about it as she could have been.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: You know, she she wasn't as as honest as she
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: could have been. And I understand that why she wasn't,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: because that's a hard thing to do. That's a hard
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: thing to tackle. I I do think, Matt, I do
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: think Max did the right thing. But I don't know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And I guess it's because maybe because I know where
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's going. But but I do think that I don't know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Like in my experience, anytime somebody says and then my
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: friend's experience. Anytime somebody says we need to take a break, Uh,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that means they are breaking up for good. But but
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I think that uh, I don't know. I wonder if
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: she thinks maybe they will get back together or they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: won't like and maybe he does need Sometimes sometimes people
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: do need time. But when they say, I don't know.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: For some there's something about, you know, when they say
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a break, that that it's not it's not working. So
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But but also but also in some ways,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares, you know, just see where it goes.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: She chose him because she knew it wouldn't work out.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: She did it subconsciously. She knew that it was going
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to cause problems. She knew she would always have an out,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: She would have several people chewing her face off. Her mother,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: uh first and foremost her daughter. I mean she she
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: did it to sabotage she she did it to get
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: out of it. And um, yes, I think Max did
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the right thing. I really do. I think Max looks
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: relationships in the beginning, the first flush, which is what
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: they were, still in the midst of a very delicate things,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and they can I mean, you popped the balloon like that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's tough to go back from that. I mean, he
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was deflated, no pun intended, like a pop and you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: he had put so much effort into it. So I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: really gained a tremendous amount of respect for him as
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a man who had made a horrible decision. But now
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I see how overwhelmed he was with his adoration of Laurela.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And he wanted it all. He wanted a family, wanted kids.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. That's what he had the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: blinders on. And she burst the bubble and he's gone.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He was like, gosh, you know, it was supposed to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: be perfect. This wasn't supposed to happen. And so now
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: he's questioning his own judgment. So it's it's it's just
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a double negative for him, and of course he has
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to retreat and sort of sort of feelings out. Now
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I have two follow ups. Now I have two follow
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: ups because you guys are making me think. So my
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: first question is and and I'd love for both of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you to analyze it, because you both sort of have
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: suggested you don't like Max, where I love I like him. Now, yeah,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I think I do like him. I do I do
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: like him more but but in some ways it's just
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that he isn't Luke. So in the scene where Laurel
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and Max are on like the cute date, they're at
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Max's house and they've obviously had like this cute dinner
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that he cooked and they're like making out. Do you
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: feel the chemistry between them? Do you think they're a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: good couple if you're just isolating that date? I feel
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it from him. I think he Scott, we just I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: think we just made the same face. We just made
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the same were just made the same, like, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: kind of face. Earlier when he tried to put her
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: up against the wall and be passion I'm like, that's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: not passion Yeah, I mean that's not at a level
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of Luke and Laureli, because that's I don't know, Luke.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like Lucas, a passionate person who
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: has to try not to be passionate. I think who
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: who hides it behind this sort of gruffness? And I
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: think that that's true of a lot of people who
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you know, especially people who have experienced a lot in
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: their lives or who had you know, Lucas the whole
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: thing with his dad and his sister, like he you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: have to hide that sensitivity and that passion behind, but
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: behind sort of this layer of if not cynicism, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like toughness. Whereas Max, I feel like, is is kind
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of heart on a sleeve kind of guy, but he's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: not super passionate. Max's Max as somebody. Yeah, Max isn't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a very passionate person, and Laurela is. Uh So then
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I need to know what you guys saw this because
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: this because I'm like, I'm I love Max, So I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: come from a place of like, he's doing this great.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Except I do think he had one major misstep, although
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I felt his pain, which is why he did it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: What did you guys think when he talks to Rory
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to find out is she coming to parents night? And
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: she hasn't called me that? I was like, that demonstrates
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that for me, just demonstrated how enamored he is of her.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, he cannot control himself. He puts her up
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: on a pedestal, I think, and that is dangerous. You can't.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: You can't put someone up on a pedestal. They'll they'll
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: immediately fall or or or maybe they never will, but
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but they will start to feel uncomfortable with it. And yeah,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and she did and she did, so I think that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that is something. Yeah, Max, Max gets kind of helpless
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: around her, and and I think that that's that's not good.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people see that as
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: as love, but I don't think that it is. I
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: think it's sort of I think I think love needs
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to be more mutual and on the same level. Right,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: But I think he knows how to love. I think
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: he's a loving guy. I now get Yeah, I think
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I think she needs to create conflict in every relationship
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: she has, or she gets board or that's just what
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you may be right there. I felt more love when
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you we're in the diner and said, drink your hot chocolate.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: You lock up, we're going, let's go to the hospital.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: To me, that was that was love. Yeah, it's I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think Max knows how to love to I just think
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that ultimately it is a like on paper situation. He
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: should be everything that she wants, you know, but but
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: but she isn't. And and yeah, Marline maybe a little
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: bit immature at this age and and still thinking like
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that she wants something, you know big, and I mean
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: she went for Christopher, and Christopher is is you know
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: hectic and all over the place and and inconsistent. So
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: we know that she she likes a little bit of
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that because that is exciting to her. I I think
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that she also matures, She also grows up a little
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: bit and blamer I mean, you can, but but you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: can't blame her for wanting to have you know, dipper
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: tone in the water. She hasn't been in a relationship
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: for a while. It's true, why why can't she have it?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: But my god, I just think Max was just sort
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of a a test balloon or training wheels for Luke
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to be able to ride. Luke. I could see that.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I think that he was great on paper. I think
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that he was a I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think that that he was that he
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: was a Yeah, I don't know. I think that he
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: was great on paper, but but ultimately not what she wanted.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that with her and Luke, they are
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: on equal footing and they they you know, they kind
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of respect each other. They do respect each other, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: they trust each other and on some level understand each other,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and they understand there's an acceptance of who the other
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: person is. There's an understanding and acceptance of who the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: other person is. You don't have that really with with
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Max and Laura because Max is putting Laura lay up
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: on a pedestal, and he's giving a lot, and he's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: he's getting more than she's comfortable with, I think, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: she really likes him and really likes who he is,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: but maybe doesn't particularly want it. So you don't have
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the same the same thing that you have in the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: live in Morelie relationship. I totally agree. Um, I just
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: think Max is uh, he's a mature, psychologically orientated her
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: human being. He's a challenge intellectually for her because he's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: on the same level and he's probably more school better read. Obviously.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: You know, she she went through her whole Michael Crichton thing.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It was a funny bit versus prost and and I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: think she wasn't up to the challenge. So she sabotaged
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and she chose him because she knew she wasn't going
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to swim in those deep waters, because those are deep waters,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Max women, and he's a that's the real deal. That's
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a that's a man in love laying his cards on
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the table. And if it's mutual, it should be tough,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: and it became not mutual, so anyway, very interesting. All right, Mara,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: are you ready for rapid fire? Yes? Okay, where god
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you rapid fire? And here we go. Ready? Countdown, ladies
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen, one, two, three to one. How do you
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: take your coffee? You don't drink not at all. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: drink tea. When I do drink coffee, it is dec espresso. Okay,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: can you smell snow? Um? I guess smell a lot
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of weird things, so yeah, I can't. Actually, Okay, you've
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: already answered this, but i'll ask it anyway. Are your
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: team Logan, Jesser Dean and Jess when he's a grown up,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Dean when she's young? Not Logan, I might I'll ask
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: this question. Who's the daddy? Oh? What does that mean? Exactly?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Just the knocked up Rory? Oh? Unfortunately, unfortunately I think
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it's Logan. Unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, I was. I was, Yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I was, I was like, oh no, not Logan, Please
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: don't please, don't be Logan. But I think it probably is.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately Netflix has him all over there, you know, like
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: with the Gilmore Yeah, Logan together, yeah, best memory of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Gilmore girls. Oh? Um, I don't know probably watching it
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: with my brother and uh and us talking about the
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: strummy La La music Sam Phillips. Uh, show you're binge
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: watching right now? Show I've been watched, show I've been Oh,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: let's see, Um well, I just finished The Sopranos, Uh
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: and Hacks. I loved Hacks. That that is a great,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: great show. I really loved that show too, so um
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: so yeah, those are mine. But we might start up
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls again. I'm doing it. Yeah, first time.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'm loving it. Okay, are you ready to do a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: re enactment scene? Did you know that you were going
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to be asked to do this? I did not know.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I did not know. You want to just wing it?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: You just want to go for it? Yeah, sure, that's cold,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: cold ride. Yes, right. So what are your plans tonight?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going over to my friend Lane's house. Sounds good,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and you guys are dinner movie the usual? Right. This
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: is a little uncomfortable, Yes it is. But the thing is,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: if things go well the way I hope things they're going,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: we might do this again. Sit uncomfortably seeing seeing each
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: other outside of school. That's okay, I'm fine with this
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: whole you and my mom thing. I'm glad. Well, better go.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you, Rory, you two. Mr Medina.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Oh why don't you call me Max just when we're
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: out of school? I don't think I can do that?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Why not? It just sounds wrong, disrespectful. I mean, you're
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: my teacher, Mr Medina, and if I start to think
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: of you as Max, even as a part time Max,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it just seems like it would get too confusing. How
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: about then we'd come up with the non children names
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: for each other when we're not in school. I'll call
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: you Rebecca Rebecca, and you'll call me well, I look
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: like a Norman to you. I'm sorry. Psycho was on
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: earlier and it was just the first name that came
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: into mind. I'll think of something else. How about Alfred?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You know what? Norman's fine? Are you sure i'll make
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: a legal change? Okay? Well, I better go? Okay, I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: hope you and Lane have a good time. Thanks. I
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: would you give this to my mom for me? Absolutely? Thanks?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Oh a Norman have her home by ten? I thought
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that was excellent. That's a cute line. That's a cute
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: line there by the end. I like that. I like that. Yeah, yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and I think uh, I think we're I think thanks yeah, yeah,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, this has been so fun. What
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a great guest. You're fun to talk. Thank you, thank you,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and thank you for your time. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: get your books and I'm going to read your books.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. I'm very interested in
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: your perspective on things, and you were a very interesting guest.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on. Thank you. I think
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I even referenced Gilmore Girls a couple of times in
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: my book. Yeah, I think I did. I know I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: did at least once. All right, thanks, it was the
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: light meeting you. I hope you come back on. I
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: would love to. Oh, please have me back on. I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: would absolutely love that. I think we're already sort of,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of texting back and forth. We're gonna
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: have her back on. Yeah, yeah, please do it, please
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: do and yeah. And in the meantime, I think my
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: sister and maybe my brother on the other side of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the country and I will will start watching again because
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: because we love it, we really do. I know, I'm
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: having a great time watching. I've never seen it. I
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: saw the pilot, and I saw Winter at the premiere
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and I've never seen the episode. People never believe that
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that actors do that. But I know when I was
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: a screen actor, like, it was so hard for me
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to watch myself. I got so insecure. But and I
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: can do it when I'm doing like animation because because
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking at myself, but I'm not judging the
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: face that I've made. But but yeah, but it's hard
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to watch yourself. But this is such a great show.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I don't mind it. Twenty one years later, I'm far
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: en off away from it now where I can actually
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. I feel that too. I definitely feel that too.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I feel that when I look back on can you
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: watch Mrs Doubtfire now? Because the whole time, all I've
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: been wanting to say is goddamn kids too. I can now,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: But I used to be. I used to be. The
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: only time I ever I think, voluntarily watched Mrs Doubtfire
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid was it was on TV
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and I had the flu, And that was the only
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: time that I wasn't like being like, oh my gosh,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have made that face. I shouldn't have done that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have It was the only time I wasn't obsessing.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I was on and I watched it and I had
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the flu and I was like, this movie is wanted
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to watch. I wasn't that bad A hundred and three
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: degree fever. Yeah, so so I totally get it. So
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: lovely to meet you, Scott. Yes, and we'll hopefully yes, yes,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: all right, yeah, thanks so much to all of you.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I had a good day. Yeah, all right. She was great.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: She's so smart. I like her heart, I love her
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and Mrs Doubtfire. I love Mrs Dolfire. She's so like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I just want to keep listening to her talk. You know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It was smart. She's smarter than the three of us,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. Not you, Scott, just the three of us.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: So Danielle spotted the clown pillow. I did not see it,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: but Danielle said she saw it. And I'll tell you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the exact time code it was at. You nailed it
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: down to the second, right, what's seen, what was happening.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It's when Max came over, uh for the date, and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: he was talking to Roy the scene that we just
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: re enacted. He was literally the clown pillow was literally
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: right behind Max. Minta. You should get all of the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: time codes for all of the clown Pillow appearances and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: see if there's some kind of pattern. Oh, we could
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: start something right now. And well, we could start something
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: when you get the info. You know, I actually texted
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Riley the last time code of the last episode to
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: give me one second. Let me snutes that would be
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: creepy clown Pillow. There's there's a weird, maybe magical configuration
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: about this. Maybe we could we could glean some secrets
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: from the the creators of the show. Maybe we have
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to add up all the numbers and it comes to something. Well,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go crazy trying to figure it out. It's
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna yes, we're gonna just it's like a rube excuse.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: We've gotta figure it out now. Mind's on fire. I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: think there's no connection. It's just don't know until we
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: get the numbers. We gotta get the numbers, and I
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: gotta sit down late at nights and how many times
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: we have seven seasons to look for that clown. Okay,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: so we don't have to do it today or next week,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: but we gotta get all the time codes on when
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the clown Pillows appear, because there's something to this I'm
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: telling you there's a secret that we could uncover that
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: could be the whole clue to this thing moving forward.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I will make sure to jot down every time code
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: of the clown fellow. Good more work. Was there anything
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: we missed in this episode? I feel like you and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Mark covered pretty much everything. There was one big one
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to what Suki and Jackson. Yeah, the love connection. That
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was a funny scene. Yeah, wasn't going to start. Wasn't
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: that a great reaction on him and then his slow
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: walk away? Have to re agrees to it? What that
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: was brilliant? Great? I love them together. I love them together.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And her what was she doing Ricky Martin? Oh yes,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that's what she's That was justice with her little movements
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: with her hands. Oh god, that's that. She is one
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: of the best physical comedians I've ever seen. I mean,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable. What show can she can make you laugh
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: with a couple of different hand movements and a and
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: a voice inflection. It's it's it's amazing. Um. Yeah, I
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: think we pretty much covered the big moments. Yeah. I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: do like that we're seeing sort of some change in
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Paris and Rory's relationship. But that was so harsh when
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Paris starts whispering it in the lunch room and you
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: hear it and you feel it just like going across
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the tables and just like it was like a wave
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: coming at you, like a tidal wave coming at you. Um. Yeah,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I would say this is like the episode that you're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, I get why Paris is super mean,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like you get it. But but what's interesting
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to me about Paris is she knew she was facing
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a stronger person in Rory. Rory who was trying to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: make friends with her and offer her friendship if you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: ever want to talk, And yet Paris continued continued to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: be mean and nasty, and I know it's going to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: take a while for her to break that down if
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: she ever does. But it's like, it's it's kind of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: beyond beyond. It's like, yeah, when, when when do you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: stop blaming the mommy's divorce and then start realizing that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: this is a truly disturbed individual. Totally wait. Fun fact
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: fact that Paris's mother is played by Anne Gilles, who
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: is also Kelly Taylor, Jenny Garth's mom on Beverly Hills
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: nine O two one. Oh yep, I got that fun
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: back for you, leaving us into culture. But I mean, truly,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a real it's a real
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: balancing act for Paris, because you start to she starts
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to soften, you start to understand, or you start to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: your heart goes out to her a little bit, and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: then yet she she comes back with the nastiness and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: you're like, wow, Okay, maybe it's not the parents. Maybe
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: maybe she's just maybe they're divorcing because they want to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: get away from her. I don't want to say the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: word that sometimes comes to mind with Paris what starts
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: with a be Oh, She's just beautiful, beautiful child. There
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you go, that's it, Riley. Riley knows right, what do
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: we got? Riley? All Right, I'm Riley and this is
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: your pop culture for the episode. So first we have Rory.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Arrigan, Ora, I said, and I'm Tanya Harding.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do the whole shoelace coming, untied, nervous breakdown,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: let me start again, act in everything. Nancy Karragan is
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a form of figure skater and actress who won a
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: bronze medal at the World Championship in the Olympics. Nancy
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: was attacked in nineteen by Shane stant who was allegedly
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: hired by her rival skater Tanya Harding's ex husband. She
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: has a movie about her called Tania, played by Margot Robbie.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Remember the famous or the infamous Nancy Karragan video post
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: knee bashing, Why Why? The whole thing was just a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: hot mess, what a mess? And figure skating in figure skating,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: it was a hot, hot mess, the whole thing, Louise
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: dumb girls, craves, smart men, it's the whole Marilyn Monroe
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Arthur Miller syndrome. So we've actually talked about this on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Before Marilyn Monroe married Arthur Miller on six
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the two were known to having a or lived relationship
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and people saw their marriage as a mismatch. Marylyn was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a sex symbol and Arthur was an aloof intellectual who
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: had thick glasses and unfortunately lost his hair. He finally
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: had to google him to see what he looked like,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: because we've talked about him so much. She's not unattractive.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: He was a large, balding, commanding genius um, a man
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: of letters, and they both had something that they wanted
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: from each other. He wanted her because it was I guess,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: you know, she was actually a remarkably talented person. Um.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: She was very good with comedy, She was very she
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: was a really accomplished actress. Uh. And I think he
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: recognized it. I mean, she left Hollywood to move to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: New York to get involved with Lee Strassburg in the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: actor's studio, and that's where they met. And something kind
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: of cute about him holding up a picture. He's kind
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of cute, and they you know, I think she was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: underestimated by the studios, and you know, she really wanted
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to be taken seriously as an actress. And and and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what she nominated for anything, but did
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: she ever win any Oscars or not? What she ever nominated?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Did she did? She was in a movie called I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: think Giant. Was that James Dean and maybe you know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: maybe it was Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. I forget
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the name of the movie. But but I mean, really
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a very very skilled, uh and very intuitive actress. She
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: really was. She could do anything. So I think, you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: obviously he was the leading intellectual in theater circles in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: New York at that time. Uh a much uh revered playwright.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I mean he was Arthur Miller, for God's sake, a novelist,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Wasn't you know? He was a novelist as well. Um,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: death of a salesman, that's no, yeah, that's nothing to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: scoff that it's nothing to you know, my god, Riley,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: what what what came next? Rory says, well, it's not
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the Rick James incident, but Hugh Grant should be feeling
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: pretty good about himself. Two good ones nailed it so.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Rick James is an American singer, songwriter, and record producer.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: His real name is James Ambrose Johnson, Jr. He started
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: singing on the streets of Buffalo, New York at a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: young age, and James was arrested on charges of holding
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a twenty four year old female hostage for up to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: six days. Yikes. But Hugh Grant Hugh Grant is award
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: winning English actor known for roles in films, television series
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and more. He studied English at Oxford University before pursuing acting.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Hugh Grant was caught with a lady of the evening
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: named Divine Brown, and the incident got even more notoriety
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: when he went onto The Tonight Show with Jay Leno
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and said, what the hell were you thinking? So that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: that was a real coup for Jay Leno. Some the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: most famous films include About a Boy Notting Hill, Love Actually,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and Four Weddings in a Funeral. And he was known
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: for his nonchalant touch of sarcasm. What was that show
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I just watched where I was certain Hugh Grant didn't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: do it? But he did it. It was it was
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: It was a guy Ritchie movie. No, this was the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: HBO show that was just on the undoing, the undoing.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: You've got to watch the undoing. He was a Chie movie,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: a wildly different character than he said. Yeah, you didn't.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: You barely even recognized him. I just ruined the ending
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: of the undoing, so well, now I don't need to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: see it. So he saved me time. You're good, Laurel.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I says like a normal hello, not a like a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: here's Johnny kind of hello. So this catchphrase was made
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: famous by Jack Nicholson in the film The Shining Jack
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Nicholson shouted here's Johnny at the burst through a bathroom
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: door with a fireman's acts. This scene is known to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: be the most frightening scene in movie history, and the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: crew used sixty doors while filming this scene. Yeah, but
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: where did it's referring to Ed McMahon and the Tonight
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Show with Johnny Carson. You know that. Oh my god,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: there's two. Here's Johnny. That's the original one. He's Johnny.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Is the context of it? Yeah, that's Doc Severnsen and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: his orchestra. That are Which one were they referring to?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: What's the context of the quote? No, No, I think
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: you're right, Riley. I think it was. I think it
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: was maybe the Jack Nicholson one. But the original is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Ed McMahon. But yeah, wait, read us the context that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: we can read us, a context and context oralized clote
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: is like a normal hello, not like a here's Johnny
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: kind of. So I think Scott's right. Think yes, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: think Scott's right. And we're not mad at you Riley
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: for this, because we're not mad at We're not mad
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: at you. But I think I think Scott is right
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: that it's not a normal hello, it's a here Johnny.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was paid millions of dollars per
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: year to say, here's Johnny. Best sidekick in the history
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: of television. Yeah, Riley, you do it. No, you don't know.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: That was mannk and Crazy do the Ed McMahon. Here's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Johnny not bad, here's Johnny. Oh my moving on, lorrel
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I says, while you're the new Heather. Heathers is in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: comedy teen film. The film portrays four teenage girls, three
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  Speaker 1: of whom are named Heather. Famous actors in the film
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  Speaker 1: include Shannon Dougherty, win An Own, a writer, and Christians. Later,
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  Speaker 1: they brought the Heathers back in two thousand eighteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do what It didn't work that the reboot.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay because the o G. Heathers was solid.
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  Speaker 1: Rory says Felix, referring to The Odd Couple. Felix is
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  Speaker 1: the main character portrayed by Tony Randall in the American
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  Speaker 1: sitcom TV series The Odd Couple. Felix had PTSD from
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  Speaker 1: his time as the Navy seal. The character is known
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  Speaker 1: to be a neurotic, obsessive, convulsive nut. In two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen, The Odd Couple was created as a reboot
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  Speaker 1: with Matthew Perry's Oscar and Thomas Lennon as Felix, based
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  Speaker 1: on the originals play Broadway smash hit that Neil Simon wrote.
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  Speaker 1: And there was nobody, you know, Neil Simon is uh.
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  Speaker 1: All comedy writers even working today worship at the altar
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  Speaker 1: of Neil Simon. There was nobody that wrote whittier, funnier,
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  Speaker 1: more heartbreaking dialogue than Neil Simon, the king of comedy writers.
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  Speaker 1: Did knowledge Scott and Well, I mean I I performed
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  Speaker 1: him in New York. I studied Neil Simon. Uh. I
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  Speaker 1: think he wrote The Out of Towners too, that film
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  Speaker 1: that wonderfully hysterically funny film with Jack Lemon, And I
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  Speaker 1: mean Neil Simon, Plaza Sweet, all these great great old movies,
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  Speaker 1: Walter Walter Math. Now, oh my God, doesn't get better.
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  Speaker 1: Neil Simon doesn't get better, Laurel I says, Look, I
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  Speaker 1: know it was bad, but this was a vicious hamster.
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  Speaker 1: This was like Damian Hamster. So Damien is referring to
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  Speaker 1: The Omen, a horror films starring Gregory Peck. There are
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  Speaker 1: many incarnations of the Omen. The film's title was changed twice.
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  Speaker 1: It was first called The Antichrist and then The birth Mark.
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  Speaker 1: They thought production was cursed because of the spooky events
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  Speaker 1: that would happen while filming like plane accidents and dog attacks.
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  Speaker 1: You know what they they stole that stuff from The Exorcist,
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  Speaker 1: which had real issues after, during and after filming. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an Exorcist guy, right, Damien came after Exorcists, so
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  Speaker 1: I grew up. My first real movie scare was my
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  Speaker 1: mother allowed me to go see The Exorcist by myself
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  Speaker 1: with my friends in an afternoon matinee and we were
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  Speaker 1: green turned green with scared. The one so I was
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: of the Poulter geis Friday the thirteenth era. But the
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  Speaker 1: one that really got me sideways recently, not that recently,
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  Speaker 1: but like to the point where I couldn't breathe almost
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  Speaker 1: how to leave the theater was saw Oh my God
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  Speaker 1: original song. Oh but yeah, the Exorcist was messed up
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  Speaker 1: on her head spinning. Yeah. But a great film because
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  Speaker 1: it was really was a structured it was it was
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  Speaker 1: it was the scary. The reason it was so effective
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  Speaker 1: is because The Exorcist was based on a relationship between
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  Speaker 1: a mother and a daughter and a mother losing her
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  Speaker 1: daughter to the devil, and that was heartbreaking and it
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  Speaker 1: was scary to watch. So Ellen Burston had this you know,
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  Speaker 1: real Bravora performance in that watching her daughter turn into
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  Speaker 1: a someone who possessed what what a what a horrifying film?
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  Speaker 1: My god. Anyway, it was grounded in Mommy Daughter. It
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like Yrmore girls crap out, So our
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  Speaker 1: next one was actually referred to in our scene reenactment.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Psycho was on earlier and it was just
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  Speaker 1: the first name that came to mind. So Psycho is
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty psychological horror thriller film directed by ALFREDY Hitchcock.
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  Speaker 1: Alfred financed the film himself since Paramount was not into
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  Speaker 1: the project. There's an iconic shower scene with Janet Lee
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  Speaker 1: and Psycho was remade in shot for shot. It was
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  Speaker 1: also Freddie him Mort played Norman Bates and the TV
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  Speaker 1: show Bates Motel, and this was a prequel to Psycho. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the original extraordinary black. I love them all, I love
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  Speaker 1: them all, I love bas Hotel. I didn't even mind
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  Speaker 1: the Vince von remake. I love it all. I love
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  Speaker 1: it on the Universal back Lot Tour total it's so good,
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  Speaker 1: so good. The guy runs after you with like a
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  Speaker 1: fake knife when you're on the tram. He ever for
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  Speaker 1: Bates Motel, and it's always so scary. And you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I know he's not going to actually stab me, but
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  Speaker 1: you still freak out. I love it all. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: So the title of our episode, Paris Is Burning, is
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: also a pop culture reference. So Paris Is Burning is
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  Speaker 1: a American documentary film based on the dragball culture in
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  Speaker 1: New York City. The film documents the origins of Vogueing
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  Speaker 1: It dance, inspired by model poses inside the covers of
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  Speaker 1: Vogue magazine. Can we play our game before we do
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  Speaker 1: our favorite lines? Because I've been pretty pumped about this
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  Speaker 1: game the whole show, because I feel like I might
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  Speaker 1: I might, I might win. I have a chance. What's
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  Speaker 1: the game? We don't don't even Warren Scott. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: do it. Oh, I know what you're gonna do. Alphabet
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  Speaker 1: dog names whatever ye dog names? Alphabet disease dogs they
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  Speaker 1: were doing. I know Riley wants to do dog breeds,
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  Speaker 1: horns and rainbows, but we need to do what was
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: on Gilmore was diseases. I'm ready for disease. I think
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: you'll go, So it'll go meet Scott, Danielle, Riley and
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  Speaker 1: back around arthritis, um arrhythmia. No, you have to be
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  Speaker 1: you have to do give you one more try ronchitis, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: crowns dementia e oh god, um oh no, how much
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  Speaker 1: time you go to me goes to me? And demetriosis? Um,
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  Speaker 1: I was prepping te stuff, stalling, stop buying time? Um out? Okay?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: So is it on me? Riley? Riley bs? I thought
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Daniel just did she she didn't get anything. You gotta
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: do it now? You inherited f s hard fever a fever?
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  Speaker 1: Dude sasease? What are you doing? Oh? Nice? Good? Save
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  Speaker 1: gastritis age? Riley? Riley? We got out? Okay? So this
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: is a championship? Can I can I pinch it for Riley?
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  Speaker 1: Hunts disease? What's it? What did you say? Hunt? What disease?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's called Huntington's. It's not Hunts disease. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm the winner. I'm the champion. Cannot get it away
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  Speaker 1: with Hunts disease. I'm looking up Rain. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: Huntington's Huntington's great game, though bad, I got my favorite
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  Speaker 1: line ready. Though normally I would do a funny line,
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  Speaker 1: but in this one, this is more emotional. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: try and deliver it. Well. Do you have any idea
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  Speaker 1: how many people you've hurt. Forget me and my mother.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: But what about Mr Medina? He likes you, Paris, he
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  Speaker 1: compliments you, He holds your papers up for everyone to see,
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  Speaker 1: and then you turn around and do something like this
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  Speaker 1: to him. What is wrong with you? Forget it? I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to understand. So good. Mine's also from Rory. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I take some dance lessons because the way you express
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: yourself needs a little work. That was mine, You took mine? Yeah, Riley,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: um mineus from your favorite character of all time, Max
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and so loyal. Lie is describing her past men in
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: her life and uh he says, oh, so you have
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: a thing for pirates. Yeah. Um, I guess I have
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to do a new line now since Danielle took my line. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's got to be rare. He had some
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: great moments on the stairs in the argument with her mother.
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  Speaker 1: What does she say about help me out here? I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I have one other sidebar one. Emily
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  Speaker 1: says kissing a teacher in a classroom on parents Day
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  Speaker 1: and Laurel I says, well, they wanted us to get
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  Speaker 1: more involved in school. Yeah, that's a good one, okay.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Scott we have a little bit of exciting news for you.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me. Oh my god. And all I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: say is one word, what Rune r Max Perlack. Oh man.
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  Speaker 1: The guy's genius. He's funny, he's funny. He was great
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  Speaker 1: on set. Guy. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah, run a
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  Speaker 1: couple episodes and I think three. I think Max. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a Max. That's so. Everybody watched Double Date. Watched
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  Speaker 1: Double Date. We'll do okay, everybody. That's it for uh,
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  Speaker 1: Paris is burning. Thanks everybody. This is Scott Patterson and
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  Speaker 1: this is the I Am All In Podcast, I Heeart Radio.
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