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Mega Edition: Breaking Down The April 9th 2025 Kohberger Hearings (9/20/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger made an appearance in court yesterday where both sides
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  Speaker 1: were making their argument over the motions that they filed
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  Speaker 1: in Limine. And while we expected it to be a
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  Speaker 1: rather lengthy proceeding, it ended up running around seven hours.
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  Speaker 1: So in this episode, we're going to recap what went
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  Speaker 1: down during that proceeding and see where things stand as
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  Speaker 1: of now. This article was published by the Daily Mail
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  Speaker 1: and the Headline. Brian Kohlberger makes bombshell claim about two
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  Speaker 1: Idaho murder killers as judge considers if family will testify.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Rachel Sharp. Brian Kohlberger plans
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  Speaker 1: to claim that two killers and two murder weapons were
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the brutal murders of four Idaho students. In
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  Speaker 1: a bombshell revelation in court Wednesday, the accused killer's attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor, said the defense will argue at trial that
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  Speaker 1: more than one person slaughtered Ethan Chapin, Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: and Kaylee Gonsalves back on November 13th, 2022, in a
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  Speaker 1: crime that shocked America. We have produced an expert that
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  Speaker 1: believes it likely there were two people, two weapons, she revealed. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: if the experts are anything like your buddy Cy Ray,
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  Speaker 1: you should probably go back to the drawing board. Because
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  Speaker 1: the judge is not happy with your expert Cy Ray.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get to that a little bit
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  Speaker 1: later here in the article, but You should have seen
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  Speaker 1: the judge's face yesterday. And in fact, he went so
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  Speaker 1: far as to say that people could be disbarred over
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  Speaker 1: the things that Cy Ray is claiming. He told the
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  Speaker 1: defense that they better come correct and they better not
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  Speaker 1: have any of these crazy ass weird conspiracy theories inside
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  Speaker 1: of his courtroom. He's not going to have any time
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  Speaker 1: for it and he's not going to put up with it.
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  Speaker 1: And he was basically admonishing them, telling them, that everything
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  Speaker 1: their boy Cy Ray was saying was not backed up
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  Speaker 1: by truth. And for me, I think that was the
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  Speaker 1: biggest takeaway yesterday. I know other people are talking about
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  Speaker 1: how they can't use the word psychopath or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sociopath or whatever, but that was never a point of contention.
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  Speaker 1: If you read the court documents like we did, you
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  Speaker 1: know that the prosecution, they never planned on using those
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  Speaker 1: words in the first place. So it was a non-starter.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, I think my biggest takeaway is the
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  Speaker 1: way the judge absolutely slapped down Cy Ray and his
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  Speaker 1: work when it comes to the AT & T authentication records.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's going to loom large moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: Because as much as Brian Kohlberger's team wants to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how this isn't a battle of the experts, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. There's a lot of evidence that's
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  Speaker 1: going to need to be broken down by experts, right?
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  Speaker 1: By expert witnesses, by... you know, forensic people, etc. So really,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to. And if Brian Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: is bringing these experts in that are using wonky science
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  Speaker 1: and being admonished by the judge, it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: play out so well for him in front of the jury.
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  Speaker 1: And while I'm certainly open to whatever sort of evidence
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger says he has about two people being responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the murders, I have to tell you, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen any evidence pointing in that direction. The defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: provided no further details about the expert, the theory, or
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  Speaker 1: the evidence pointing to this conclusion. Yeah, that's kind of crucial, right?
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  Speaker 1: Gotta have some evidence of the stuff that you're saying happened. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, again, the burden of proof is on the prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But as the defense, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to say that Bigfoot showed up with a
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  Speaker 1: chupacabra and they're responsible for the murders, you better have
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  Speaker 1: some evidence of that. However, it comes after the defense
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  Speaker 1: previously revealed plans to present alternate suspects at his murder
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  Speaker 1: trial and to claim that he was framed by the
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  Speaker 1: real killer planting his DNA at the crime scene. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was Mr. Mustard with a candlestick. Maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: the Odinites. I mean, it won't be long now before
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  Speaker 1: we hear that it was the Alberts and the McCabes
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  Speaker 1: who killed these kids in Idaho too. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: how absurd things are getting, right? But this is the
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  Speaker 1: way it goes. Anytime you have a case like this
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  Speaker 1: where you don't have anything to go on as a
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney, you're stuck using the loopholes and technicalities strategy,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where Brian Koberger is. We're talking about Hail
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  Speaker 1: Mary territory here, folks. The latest shocking claim came during
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  Speaker 1: a day-long hearing in Ada County, Idaho Wednesday, where the
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  Speaker 1: defense and prosecution went head-to-head over critical evidence in the
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  Speaker 1: high-profile murder case. The 30-year-old criminology PhD student is facing
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty for the murders in Moscow, Idaho. The
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  Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students were brutally stabbed to death
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  Speaker 1: in the early hours of the morning in the off-campus
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  Speaker 1: home the three women shared with two other roommates. The murders,
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  Speaker 1: the first homicide in seven years for the small, tight-knit
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  Speaker 1: college town, plunged the community into fear and sent shockwaves
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  Speaker 1: across the country. Not just across the country, but the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that has to do
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  Speaker 1: with this being so relatable. How many people have college-age kids?
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  Speaker 1: And how many of those kids are away at college?
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  Speaker 1: So people could relate no matter where they were in
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  Speaker 1: the world. And when a story like this happens where
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  Speaker 1: there's no rhyme or reason to it, people certainly pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: Then you add to the fact that you have four
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  Speaker 1: young people murdered with a knife in a town like this.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, not just the country, but the whole entire
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  Speaker 1: world was drawn into this horrible situation. And when things
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  Speaker 1: are more relatable to you, they're a lot more real.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things that drew
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  Speaker 1: people to this case. And then of course there's always
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  Speaker 1: the morbid factor. People are just interested in things that
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  Speaker 1: are absolutely insanely morbid. So there's a lot of that too.
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  Speaker 1: Around six weeks later on December 30th, 2022, police swooped
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  Speaker 1: on Kohlberger at his parents' home in the Poconos region
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  Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania and charged him with the murders. A not
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  Speaker 1: guilty plea was entered on his behalf at his arraignment.
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  Speaker 1: Now staring down the prospect of the firing squad, The
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  Speaker 1: two sides are sparring over what evidence jurors should be
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  Speaker 1: allowed to see at trial this summer. The evidence at
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  Speaker 1: issue includes DNA found on a knife sheath at the
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  Speaker 1: scene and under the fingernails of one of the victims,
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  Speaker 1: the relevance of Kohlberger's autism, the testimony of one of
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  Speaker 1: the surviving roommates, the panic 911 call, and the use
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  Speaker 1: of terms including bushy eyebrows, murderer, sociopath, and psychopath. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot made of the term psychopath and
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  Speaker 1: murderer and and sociopath, and I think that was all overblown.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecution isn't going to use language like that and
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  Speaker 1: throw their whole case into jeopardy. That would be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And there's rules that bar them from doing so. And
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  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor knows that. So what this was was nothing
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  Speaker 1: more than narrative building, right? With the gag order in place,
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  Speaker 1: they can't go out and do a, you know, media blitz,
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  Speaker 1: but they can make these sorts of statements inside the courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: and they could put them in court filings, and then
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  Speaker 1: that creates a narrative in the public sphere. And in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, that's certainly what Brian Kohlberger's team was attempting
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  Speaker 1: to do here. Dressed in a pale shirt, the suspected
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  Speaker 1: mass killer sat silently at the defense table next to
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  Speaker 1: his legal team including lead attorney Ann Taylor and new
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  Speaker 1: addition DNA expert Bicca Barlow in her first day of
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  Speaker 1: a two-day hearing. During the hearing, Judge Stephen Hippler said,
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  Speaker 1: weighed up what role Kohlberger's own family members will play
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  Speaker 1: at his trial after they were listed as possible witnesses
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  Speaker 1: for the prosecution. Attorney Alyssa Massoth told the judge that
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  Speaker 1: the suspect's family has no interest in helping the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: in its case against the 30-year-old, as the defense argued
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  Speaker 1: they should be allowed to be present for the duration
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  Speaker 1: of the trial, even if being called to state witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: Brian's family has no desire to be used as witnesses
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  Speaker 1: against him, Massoth said. Well, when it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: Amazon stuff, unfortunately, Brian Koberger's lawyers have put Koberger's family
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  Speaker 1: directly in the crosshairs. They're saying that the knife was
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  Speaker 1: purchased on a family account. So that means that it
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  Speaker 1: was somebody else who purchased the knife? Okay, cool. We
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  Speaker 1: have to subpoena everybody and we have to see. And
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the points that the judge brought up. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that I don't think Brian Koberger's family
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  Speaker 1: should be manipulated as a tool here. But if there
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  Speaker 1: is something relevant that they might be able to offer, well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: so be it. But the prosecution was pretty adamant that
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  Speaker 1: they have no plans on using Brian Korberger's family against
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  Speaker 1: him as witnesses. His family loves him and supports him.
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  Speaker 1: He is absolutely dependent on them having been in isolation
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  Speaker 1: for almost two and a half years since his arrest,
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  Speaker 1: she said. She said that if it wasn't for financial
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  Speaker 1: reasons due to the need to travel from Pennsylvania, they
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  Speaker 1: would be in attendance for every court hearing. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about you folks, but if my kid was
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  Speaker 1: charged with murdering four people and I thought he was innocent,
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  Speaker 1: there isn't a financial barrier that would stop me from
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  Speaker 1: going up to wherever the trial was being held. If
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  Speaker 1: that means I have to get a job while I'm
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  Speaker 1: up there, so be it. but I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: around to support my kid, especially if I think he's innocent.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, we have to remember that
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  Speaker 1: not everybody is built that way. Maybe his family just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to deal with all the nonsense, right? The
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  Speaker 1: whole circus that's certainly kicking off. I get that. And
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  Speaker 1: I certainly don't hold any animosity toward Brian Kohlberger's family.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just speaking from a personal perspective. There's no
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  Speaker 1: way that I'd be able to sit home while these
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  Speaker 1: hearings are happening, especially if I think my kid's innocent.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's lawyers urged the judge to find some humanity for
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  Speaker 1: the accused killer's father, mother, or two sisters. Massoth also
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  Speaker 1: argued that due to his autism, Kohlberger needs his family
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  Speaker 1: here to support him. And I have to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa Massoth was throwing a little bit of sass at
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  Speaker 1: the judge, and it's not going to work out for her.
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  Speaker 1: It is not going to work out for her at all.
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  Speaker 1: She better rein that shit in real quick, because I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what, the hammer is coming. You could see
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  Speaker 1: the judge getting visibly annoyed yesterday with her, bringing his
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  Speaker 1: hand up to his face. At one point, it looked
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  Speaker 1: like he was blinking his eyes in Morse code. hoping
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  Speaker 1: somebody would rescue him. Prosecutors said they plan to call
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  Speaker 1: some of the suspects family members, but not all. It's
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  Speaker 1: not clear which family members or for what reasons. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: it is clear. They said so yesterday during the hearing.
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  Speaker 1: It has to do with the Amazon stuff. The shared
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  Speaker 1: account that Brian Kohlberger is saying was shared with his
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  Speaker 1: family members. That's what they'd be bringing them up to
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  Speaker 1: to testify about, at least according to the hearing yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, that's fluid, and things might change, but as
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  Speaker 1: of yesterday, that's what they were talking about. But the
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  Speaker 1: defense told the court that all of his immediate family
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  Speaker 1: members were interviewed at the time of his arrest, and
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  Speaker 1: at best, they believed the state would only call one
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  Speaker 1: of them as a witness. The defense also did not
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  Speaker 1: reveal who they were referring to. The judge seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be swayed by the defense's plea to find a level
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  Speaker 1: of humanity for Koberger's family, but said he would rule
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  Speaker 1: at a later date. I can only imagine what the
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  Speaker 1: family of Mr. Kohlberger is devastated by these things. It's
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  Speaker 1: nothing that they did, and their ability to be here
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  Speaker 1: to see the trial is important, he said. And I
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. There should not be any kind of
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  Speaker 1: impediment holding Brian Kohlberger's family back from going to the trial. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: this man is still innocent. The evidence might be stacked
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  Speaker 1: up against him, but as of right now, he's still innocent.
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  Speaker 1: So he needs to be afforded those rights. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that when Judge Hippler does make his ruling, it
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  Speaker 1: will be favorable to Kohlberger and his family when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to them attending the different proceedings that are going
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  Speaker 1: to pop up. The Kohlberger family has been silent about
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  Speaker 1: the case for the past two years. The only public
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  Speaker 1: comments ever made in a statement released in the days
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  Speaker 1: after his arrest were where they said they care deeply
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  Speaker 1: for the four families who have lost their precious children,
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  Speaker 1: that they were cooperating fully with the investigation, and that
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  Speaker 1: as a family, we will love and support our son
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  Speaker 1: and brother. Exclusive Daily Mail photos captured his father, Michael Koberger, 69,
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  Speaker 1: tending to the garden at the family home in Albrightville,
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in late March. His wife, Mary Ann, 65, remained
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  Speaker 1: inside their home. In Wednesday's hearing, the judge heard arguments
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  Speaker 1: on a string of other motions after the two sides
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  Speaker 1: have submitted a flurry of court documents and requests with
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  Speaker 1: the trial date looming. Brian Koberger's Autism Diagnosis During the hearing,
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's defense brought up his autism diagnosis, something that the
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  Speaker 1: team has argued as a reason for the death penalty
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  Speaker 1: being struck from the case. Koberger's defense told the judge
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  Speaker 1: that if convicted and facing capital punishment, the team will
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  Speaker 1: seek to use his diagnosis as a mitigating factor that
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  Speaker 1: means he should not be sentenced to death. I don't
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  Speaker 1: buy that for a second. If he had the capability
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  Speaker 1: to go after his Ph.D., then he certainly has the
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  Speaker 1: capability to feel the wrath of the people of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: if he's convicted of this, and also with the Dunlap
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  Speaker 1: ruling in Idaho. They've already addressed this sort of issue,
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  Speaker 1: and the Idaho Supreme Court basically laughed it out of court.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to be very hard-pressed to push this
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  Speaker 1: narrative and get it to hit home. His attorney Ann
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  Speaker 1: Taylor argued some of Kohlberger's behavior, such as the way
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  Speaker 1: he sits and how he talks for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: And that these autism-related characteristics should not be used by
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors as reasons he should get the death penalty. That's
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  Speaker 1: all a moot point. The prosecution was never going to
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  Speaker 1: use his autism as a factor when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty. So again, his team is just trying
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  Speaker 1: to build a narrative here and trying to set things
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  Speaker 1: up for later on down the road when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to an appeal. According to Taylor, the state has hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of hours of interviews with people Kohlberger knew at Washington
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  Speaker 1: State University, and that many of them are saying unkind
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  Speaker 1: things about him. Well, maybe that's because he's unkind, right?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never met the dude. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to say it's because of the autism, then
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  Speaker 1: the defense is going to fire back and say, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's just the kind of character that he has, and
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  Speaker 1: he's a, you know, repugnant individual. And of course, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be up to the jury to decide what
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  Speaker 1: they believe. Prosecutors told the judge they didn't plan to
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  Speaker 1: do so, saying that the state has a lot better
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  Speaker 1: evidence to argue that aggravating factors amount to capital punishment. However,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution argued that they should be able to respond
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  Speaker 1: if the defense tries to bend Kohlberger's actions and behaviors
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  Speaker 1: on his diagnosis 100%. If they open that door, then
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution can walk through it, so they better tread
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  Speaker 1: very lightly here. The judge went on to issue a
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  Speaker 1: ruling around Kohlberger's autism, ordering the state cannot use his
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  Speaker 1: diagnosis as an aggravating factor if he's convicted, and the
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  Speaker 1: trial enters the death penalty phase, which again is a non-starter.
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  Speaker 1: That's nothing more than clickbait as a headline for these outlets,
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  Speaker 1: because the prosecution was never going to use that in
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  Speaker 1: the first place. Due to changes to Idaho's death penalty procedures,
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  Speaker 1: the 30-year-old could face the firing squad as a method
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  Speaker 1: of execution, a prospect that has been welcomed by some
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  Speaker 1: of the victim's families. Well, I'll tell you what, if
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  Speaker 1: it was my family member, I would think that the
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  Speaker 1: firing squad is too humane. Helicopters, volcanoes. Later in the hearing,
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  Speaker 1: the defense and prosecution sparred over Kohlberger's team's argument that
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  Speaker 1: they should be able to cite his autism as an
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  Speaker 1: explanation for his demeanor in court. The state also hit
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  Speaker 1: out that the defense claims in a recent filing that
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  Speaker 1: he has a physical condition that would have made it
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  Speaker 1: impossible for him to kill four in the roughly 13-minute
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  Speaker 1: time frame. The defense, meanwhile, argued that jurors should hear
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  Speaker 1: about his autism because they also offer an explanation for
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  Speaker 1: some of his behaviors, both in and out of the courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything because those behaviors aren't being judged.
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  Speaker 1: So again, moot point. For example, Kohlberger was allegedly wearing
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: gloves and placing trash in baggies when police raided his
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  Speaker 1: parents' home and arrested him. The defense argued that rather
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  Speaker 1: than trying to hide his DNA, Kohlberger was wearing gloves
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  Speaker 1: to avoid germs due to his OCD. Come on, that
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  Speaker 1: stuff is just ridiculous. So he's sitting around, putting stuff
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  Speaker 1: in his neighbor's bin, wearing gloves because he has OCD?
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  Speaker 1: Did he wear gloves in class? Was he wearing gloves
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: when he was doing his labs? To say that the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: defense's arguments are thin is an understatement. Arguments were also
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  Speaker 1: heard over whether his autism diagnosis means the death penalty
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  Speaker 1: should be taken off the table. The defense claimed his
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  Speaker 1: demeanor would place him at greater risk of being sentenced
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  Speaker 1: to death, arguing that every move Kohlberger makes is scrutinized,
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  Speaker 1: and claiming he has been presented in the media as
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  Speaker 1: evil and soulless. Well, here's an idea. Petition the court
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  Speaker 1: to drop the gag order. You want Brian Kohlberger to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: get such great media? Well, here's your chance. They won't
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  Speaker 1: do that though, right? Because again, it's all about the narrative.
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  Speaker 1: They don't mean any of this stuff they're saying. The
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  Speaker 1: state pushed back, arguing that the precedent previously set are
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  Speaker 1: for intellectual disabilities, which autism is not. The judge plans
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  Speaker 1: to rule on both of these matters at a later date.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to wrap up episode one right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. and finish off our recap of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: what went down during Brian Kohlberger's court appearance yesterday. All
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  Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the program. In this episode we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get right back to the article from the Daily Mail
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  Speaker 1: that was authored by Rachel Sharp detailing what went down
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  Speaker 1: during Brian Kohlberger's appearance in front of Judge Hippler yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Banned words at trial. The hearing got underway with the
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  Speaker 1: judge agreeing that the terms psychopath and sociopath should be
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  Speaker 1: blocked from the trial, providing a minor win for the suspect.
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  Speaker 1: But not really. Maybe a Pyrrhic victory, but that's it,
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  Speaker 1: considering the prosecution said they were never going to use
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  Speaker 1: those words in the first place. And I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: to keep bringing that up, but I keep seeing that
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  Speaker 1: as if it's some kind of big victory for Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger when it's certainly not. Kohlberger's defense began by arguing
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  Speaker 1: that the terms murderer, psychopath, and sociopath, and so-called inflammatory evidence,
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  Speaker 1: be struck from the trial. Taylor told the judge that
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  Speaker 1: the defense wants to prevent excessive use of emotional phrasing
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  Speaker 1: where it puts Mr. Kohlberger in a position where the
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  Speaker 1: jury is already inflamed. I mean, we're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: brutal quadruple homicide here, and the facts that are surrounding
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  Speaker 1: this murder, or murders I should say, are absolutely brutal.
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  Speaker 1: So the pictures are going to be brutal, and the
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  Speaker 1: terminology is what it is, at least when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to murderer. Now, I agree with psychopath and sociopath. Those
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  Speaker 1: terms should not be uttered by the prosecution, unless, of course,
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  Speaker 1: there's a medical diagnosis that says that's what Brian Kohlberger is.
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  Speaker 1: But we haven't had any of those medical diagnosis, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there is any place for that kind
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  Speaker 1: of terminology anyway. And that's basically what the judge told
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  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor. Judge Stephen Hippler quickly made clear that he
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  Speaker 1: did not see the purpose of the defense motions because
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  Speaker 1: they simply point to standard courtroom conduct that he expects
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  Speaker 1: both sides to follow. And this is what I've been mentioning.
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  Speaker 1: This is all baked in, right? You have certain rules
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  Speaker 1: you have to follow as a lawyer. You can't just
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  Speaker 1: come out and start, you know, popping off at the lip,
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  Speaker 1: doing whatever you want. But I see people making this
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  Speaker 1: big deal out of the terms not being used at
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  Speaker 1: the trial like it was some kind of gigantic victory.
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  Speaker 1: where Judge Hipler right here himself is telling you that
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  Speaker 1: he expects both sides just to adhere to the Idaho
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  Speaker 1: state rules of evidence. And of course those safeguards come
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  Speaker 1: baked in. And that was the point that the judge
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  Speaker 1: was making to Brian Koberger's team yesterday. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I need an order as the rules apply that they
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  Speaker 1: are rules, which means they will be followed, he said.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor argued that it was preventative, something that the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: argued isn't necessary. When it comes to inflammatory evidence, such
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  Speaker 1: as crime scene photos, Judge Hipler pointed out that the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene photos are particularly graphic. And of course, that's
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  Speaker 1: all part of what Brian Kohlberger is trying to avoid.
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  Speaker 1: If he can get those photos not being shown in
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  Speaker 1: the court, great, he'd love that. But that's never going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. Now his team had to take the shot.
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  Speaker 1: They have to do whatever they can to try and
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  Speaker 1: get their guy off. But there's no way that the
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  Speaker 1: judge is going to bar those photos from being in
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  Speaker 1: the court. Now, we might not get to see them
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  Speaker 1: as the public, just like in the Lori Vallow trial
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell trial. We didn't get to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those photos. But they were shown to the jurors,
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  Speaker 1: and they were shown inside the courtroom, and I have
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that the same is going to occur here.
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  Speaker 1: But make no mistake that these murders, whoever committed them,
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  Speaker 1: were brutal and were horrific, and so I suspect that
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  Speaker 1: the evidence reflects that. While the judge did agree that
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  Speaker 1: the words psychopath and sociopath could not be used at trial,
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  Speaker 1: he said this is because Kohlberger has not been given
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  Speaker 1: a diagnosis as such, so it wouldn't be relevant to
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  Speaker 1: the case. He told both sides he simply expects them
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  Speaker 1: to follow the courtroom standards. So, a real big win, huh?
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  Speaker 1: How is it a big win if you're told to
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  Speaker 1: follow the standards? Doesn't seem like a gigantic win to me.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, I think the bigger issue that we
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  Speaker 1: saw here was the back and forth between Elisa Massoth
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  Speaker 1: and Judge Hipler. And I think that we're getting set
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  Speaker 1: up for some possible fireworks come trial time. Because it's
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  Speaker 1: obvious that Elisa Massoth is the attack dog for the defense.
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  Speaker 1: And she went on the attack yesterday. But Judge Hipler
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  Speaker 1: really wasn't having it. So she's going to have to
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  Speaker 1: find a way to toe the line. Because if she doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: she's going to run afoul of the judge. And that's
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  Speaker 1: never a good situation. A shotgun approach to alternative suspects.
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  Speaker 1: The two sides also sparred over the defense plan to
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  Speaker 1: present alternative perpetrators to jurors at trial. Latah County Prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: Bill Thompson told the judge that the defense plans to
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  Speaker 1: throw out a shotgun variety of persons' names. He argued
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  Speaker 1: that there must be a threshold for pointing the finger
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  Speaker 1: at other potential suspects and that the information be shared
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  Speaker 1: with the state so they can prepare for it at trial.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's attorney Massoth insisted that the defense will not take
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  Speaker 1: a shotgun approach or throw spaghetti at the wall and
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  Speaker 1: see what falls. What she means is what sticks, not
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  Speaker 1: what falls. Judge Hipler said he would set a date
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  Speaker 1: for a hearing to go into this matter more. And honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see what they come up with.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see what sort of alternative narrative
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  Speaker 1: they have about who did this. Now look, I'm receptive
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  Speaker 1: to all evidence that's backed up by fact, that's based
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  Speaker 1: in reality. So if they have something, I am more
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  Speaker 1: than willing to take a look at it, and you
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  Speaker 1: already know we're sharing it here on the podcast. However,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is, I don't think they have anything. Just
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  Speaker 1: like their ridiculous partial corroboration when it comes to Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's alleged alibi. Breaking news, there is nothing in the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho Rules of Evidence that has to do with a
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  Speaker 1: partial corroboration, okay? It's either corroborated or it's not. And
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  Speaker 1: when we're talking about Brian Koberger's alleged alibi, well, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors say DNA under victims' nails is not Brian Kohlberger's.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors told a judge they do not believe the DNA
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  Speaker 1: found under the fingernails of 21-year-old Mogan belongs to the
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  Speaker 1: man on trial for her murder. Prosecutor Jeff Nye revealed
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  Speaker 1: that the state's belief is actually that there would not
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  Speaker 1: be DNA from the suspect on the victim. And that's
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  Speaker 1: because of the way that the suspect was dressed. And
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  Speaker 1: then you go back and you look at that DeSalle's
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  Speaker 1: paper that Brian Kohlberger wrote, and it puts everything into context, right?
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  Speaker 1: He obviously knew how to clean up a crime scene,
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  Speaker 1: and he also knew how not to pollute one. And
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  Speaker 1: that's not just circumstantial. We read it in his own
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  Speaker 1: words in that essay. So that's going to come back
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  Speaker 1: and play a big part when we're talking about building
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  Speaker 1: the case against Kohlberger to the jury. The theory here
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  Speaker 1: is we would not expect the perpetrator's DNA to be
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  Speaker 1: under her fingernails due to what the surviving witness saw
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  Speaker 1: a masked intruder inside the home wearing moments after the murders.
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  Speaker 1: And that would certainly make sense if the killer knew
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing. If they had a background in, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, say criminal sciences, that might help out, huh?
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  Speaker 1: The lack of defensive wounds and the toxicology results of
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  Speaker 1: the victim also supported this, he said. We will actually
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  Speaker 1: be arguing. You would not expect the perpetrator's DNA to
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  Speaker 1: be under the fingernails, he added. The prosecutor made the
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  Speaker 1: comments after Kohlberger's defense lawyer asked the judge to block
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  Speaker 1: the use of the term inconclusive about the DNA, saying
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  Speaker 1: it suggests that it could be Kohlberger's DNA. While it
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  Speaker 1: might be technically true that Kohlberger cannot be excluded, it's
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  Speaker 1: not an accurate statement, Barlow said. A court filing recently
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  Speaker 1: revealed that DNA evidence from three unknown individuals was found
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  Speaker 1: under Mogan's left fingernails. A DNA expert previously told DailyMail.com,
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  Speaker 1: It's quite common for people to have a mixture of
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  Speaker 1: DNA under their nails, especially from people they live with
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  Speaker 1: or are close to. Forensic DNA expert and John Jay
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  Speaker 1: College of Criminal Justice professor, Dr. Methchild Prins, explained that
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  Speaker 1: people pick up unexplained DNA under their nails by simply
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  Speaker 1: touching items. So there's really not much for the defense here.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to say, well, Brian Kohlberger's DNA wasn't found
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  Speaker 1: under her fingernails. How could it be him? But the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution is going to counter and say because he was
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  Speaker 1: dressed properly and he knew how to protect himself from
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  Speaker 1: shedding those cells. And it's not like they're just going
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  Speaker 1: to say he taught himself on the internet, right? They
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  Speaker 1: can point to his whole entire background and his scholastic achievements. Separately,
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  Speaker 1: the judge struck down a defense motion seeking to ban
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  Speaker 1: the use of the term TouchDNA, a term that one
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  Speaker 1: of the defense's own expert witnesses has used. Kohlberger was
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  Speaker 1: allegedly tied to the murders through DNA on a brown
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  Speaker 1: leather K-bar knife sheath found next to Mogan's lifeless body
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  Speaker 1: in her bedroom on the third floor of the home.
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  Speaker 1: Touched DNA on the sheath was traced back to Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: using investigative genetic genealogy, according to prosecutors. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: that was a big point of contention because they knew
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  Speaker 1: that it was a devastating piece of evidence against Brian Kohlberger.
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  Speaker 1: So they went bananas trying to get that excluded from
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  Speaker 1: the trial as well, and of course the judge ended
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  Speaker 1: up admitting it. Surviving roommates for liability text a 911 call.
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  Speaker 1: Other evidence in dispute in the hearing included the panic
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  Speaker 1: texts and calls made by surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen and
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Funk after Mortensen came face to face with an
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  Speaker 1: intruder inside their home around the time of the murders.
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  Speaker 1: The two sides also battled over the gut-wrenching 911 call
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  Speaker 1: made by the surviving roommates and friends after Colonel's body
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  Speaker 1: was discovered just before midday that fateful day, as well
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  Speaker 1: as the reliability of Mortensen's crucial testimony. The defense wants
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  Speaker 1: to block the term bushy eyebrows from the trial, the
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  Speaker 1: term used by Mortensen to describe the masked intruder she
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  Speaker 1: saw in the house. Kohlberger's defense reeled off a list
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  Speaker 1: of factors that they argued shows Mortensen is not reliable
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  Speaker 1: as a witness, including that she admitted she was drunk
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  Speaker 1: at the time, told police she was in a dreamlike state,
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  Speaker 1: and had drawings of people with prominent eyebrows on her walls,
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  Speaker 1: and that she had not separated from other witnesses following
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  Speaker 1: the discovery of the murders. They also argued that Mortensen
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  Speaker 1: did not mention eyebrows at all during the first three
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  Speaker 1: police interviews, only mentioning them when asked by officers. The linchpin,
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  Speaker 1: the reliability, is not there, the defense said, and I
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to have a hard time with that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to cross-examine her when she
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  Speaker 1: gets on the stand. but I highly doubt that the
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  Speaker 1: judge is going to exclude her testimony altogether. That doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sound very likely, does it? Prosecutors, however, argued that her
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  Speaker 1: account and description of the intruder had been consistent in
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  Speaker 1: every interview. The man was white, a few inches taller
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  Speaker 1: than her, dressed in all black, wearing a mask, was skinny,
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  Speaker 1: and had a voice she did not recognize. The state
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  Speaker 1: also argued that the focus on eyes and eyebrows was natural,
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  Speaker 1: given that was the only facial feature that she could
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  Speaker 1: see beneath the mask. Dylan Mortensen is the only living
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  Speaker 1: individual who saw the person who was responsible for these homicides,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor said, adding that makes her relevant to identify
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  Speaker 1: the killer. And look, 100%. However, I don't think her
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  Speaker 1: testimony is going to be a home run. There are
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  Speaker 1: factors here, but it's up to the jury to decide, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think the jury should hear what she has
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  Speaker 1: to say. A chilling selfie captured by Kohlberger around six
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  Speaker 1: hours after the murders has been presented. by prosecutors as
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  Speaker 1: evidence of the suspect's bushy eyebrows at the time of
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  Speaker 1: the murders. The defense is also looking to ban the
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  Speaker 1: 911 call from the trial, claiming it is hearsay and
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  Speaker 1: pointing to the eight-hour gap between Mortensen's encounter with the
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  Speaker 1: intruder and the call. Taylor argued that a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: more went on between those two moments, arguing that Mortensen
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  Speaker 1: was editing photos on her phone, using Snapchat, and calling
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  Speaker 1: family members. She pointed to the cell phone records of
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  Speaker 1: the two survivors, something that the defense wants to include
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  Speaker 1: at trial. This is not someone who was asleep and
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  Speaker 1: woke up startled, Taylor said. The judge agreed that some
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  Speaker 1: of the 911 call could be hearsay, and that not
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  Speaker 1: all of it would be allowed to be presented at trial.
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  Speaker 1: And while certainly confusing, I don't see the 911 call
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  Speaker 1: playing a big part here moving forward. And if pieces
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  Speaker 1: of it are kept out as hearsay, then so be it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to affect things one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other for either side. Munin stars alibi in
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  Speaker 1: cell phone data. Prosecutors, meanwhile, want to ban Kohlberger's team
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  Speaker 1: from presenting his vague alibi for the night of the murders.
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  Speaker 1: claiming he was driving around alone looking at the moon
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  Speaker 1: and stars unless the accused killer takes the stand to
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  Speaker 1: testify to it himself. In the hearing, Thompson said the
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  Speaker 1: only person who can testify to an alibi, if there
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  Speaker 1: is an alibi, is the defendant himself. He argued that
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  Speaker 1: a cell phone expert put forward by the defense, Cy Ray,
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  Speaker 1: cannot show Koberger's whereabouts at the time of the murders
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  Speaker 1: because his cell phone was turned off. The judge ruled
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  Speaker 1: that Ray could offer a partial corroboration by presenting evidence
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  Speaker 1: of where the cell phone was before and after it
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  Speaker 1: was turned off. In a testy moment, Judge Hippler scolded
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  Speaker 1: the defense for suggesting that the prosecution had not handed
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  Speaker 1: over cell phone evidence, AT & T timing advance records,
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  Speaker 1: from November 2022. And this is a lot more than
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  Speaker 1: they're letting on here. I couldn't believe what I was watching, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: And when a judge says that people could be disbarred
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  Speaker 1: for this, you better take notice. And if the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: wants to take it a step further, and they can
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: try and claim that Ann Taylor committed fraud on the
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  Speaker 1: court by allowing that affidavit to be filed, because that affidavit,
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  Speaker 1: at least according to the judge, was nothing more than
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory and a bunch of nonsense. Judge Hippler
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  Speaker 1: absolutely ripped that whole entire affidavit due to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he omitted a bunch of things, including the seven-day
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  Speaker 1: rule that was discussed by the judge, by the prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: and by AT & T. So the judge was not
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  Speaker 1: happy at all with the defense here, and he let
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  Speaker 1: them know it. And I think that if the defense
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  Speaker 1: tries to go this route, they're going to find themselves
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  Speaker 1: in big, big trouble with Judge Hippler. Koberger was not
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  Speaker 1: a suspect at that point, and so the state claims
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  Speaker 1: it does not have such evidence as the data is
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  Speaker 1: only available for seven days after the fact. You've made
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  Speaker 1: some serious allegations against the state about hiding evidence, yet
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  Speaker 1: you've provided no evidence, zero, the judge warned Taylor, adding
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  Speaker 1: that such allegations get people disbarred. This is what I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: talking about. This is the kind of narrative building that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor's been doing this whole time. Firing off these
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: motions with nothing to back them up. And then there's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: people out there that run with it, right? Oh, well,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger is obviously getting jobbed. Did you see what
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor said? Meanwhile, everybody who understands what's what knows
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  Speaker 1: that you can file whatever motion you want. Doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: until you argue in front of the judge. And well, folks,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: how did that work out? The defense also argued that
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  Speaker 1: body cam footage from a traffic stop carried out by
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  Speaker 1: police on Kohlberger in the months prior to the murders
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  Speaker 1: was should be struck from the trial claiming that the
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  Speaker 1: state is trying to use it to show a pattern
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  Speaker 1: of bad acts before the murders. The prosecution countered that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the body cam is evidence to show Korberger's ties to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the white Hyundai Elantra, which matches the vehicle seen speeding
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: away from the crime scene after the murders. The judge
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: said that he would watch the footage, but likely would
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: want to redact some of the footage but not exclude it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: The defense also argued against the use of surveillance footage
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  Speaker 1: which captured a white Hyundai Elantra driving around the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene at the time of the murders. So the interaction
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  Speaker 1: between Kohlberger and the cop, that's going to be redacted.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But the actual stop itself, we're going to get to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: see that, I think. Amazon purchase of K-Bar knife and sheath.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: The defense also wants to block Kohlberger's Amazon records as evidence,
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  Speaker 1: which allegedly show he bought a knife matching the murder
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: weapon months before the slayings. The records show that Kohlberger
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: bought a K-Bar knife, sheath, and sharpener from the site
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  Speaker 1: back in March 2017. of 2022, eight months before the murders,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: according to court documents. Kohlberger's Amazon history also reveals that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: he searched for a replacement knife or sheath in the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: days after the murders, according to prosecutors. His defense is
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: arguing that the account was used by multiple people, including
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: his family members, and that AI prompts people to purchase
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  Speaker 1: certain items. Oh yeah, that's exactly what went down. What
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch of hooey. A whole bunch of nonsense. The
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: judge cast doubts on this argument and revealed that the
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  Speaker 1: account had tracked the shipping of the item after the purchase.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Two days, Wednesday and Thursday, have been set aside by
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the judge to hear arguments. The judge's rulings on the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: matters will play a huge role in the evidence presented
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  Speaker 1: by both sides at trial when it gets underway in August.
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  Speaker 1: It's unclear when Judge Hippler will hand down the remainder
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  Speaker 1: of the rulings. Family members of 21-year-old Gonsalves have traveled
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to Boise for the hearing, facing their daughter's suspected killer
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Part of getting justice for you includes
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: being part of the court at hearings. We are heading
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: down to Boise in the morning for the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of days. Please pray for us, the family wrote on
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: their Facebook page. Kohlberger's trial is expected to last around
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: three months. Alright, so that is a lot to digest.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And obviously, there's going to be some rulings coming our
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: way within the next few days or the next week
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  Speaker 1: or two. And once we have those rulings, obviously, they'll
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: be added to the catalog. But all of these topics
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that we discussed in this article are all topics that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: have been discussed previously here in these motions in limine
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  Speaker 1: that we've been going through. And that's why we've been
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  Speaker 1: going through all of those documents the way we have been,
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  Speaker 1: that way the foundation set, so that when we have
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  Speaker 1: hearings like this, we all understand what the hell they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, instead of just relying on snippets and dumbass
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  Speaker 1: headlines that don't do anything but just, you know, scratch
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  Speaker 1: the surface. And if you do that, then well, you
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  Speaker 1: only have a surface understanding of what's going on. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to continue to dive into the deep end
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  Speaker 1: here on the podcast and swim through all of that
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  Speaker 1: murk as we continue to look for some clarity. All
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