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WHO Sold Us Halloween? A History w/ Christian Kenny & Nick (Occult Rejects) · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going.
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  Speaker 2: To happen.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: What's going to happen? Something wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: I understand how you feel.
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  Speaker 4: You see, Ladies and gentlemen, Halloween is upon us almost.
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  Speaker 4: Just a few more days. Welcome back to Divulgence.
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  Speaker 2: We have a kick-ass episode here today for you guys.
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  Speaker 2: We have Christian Kenny from Courage Over Comfort.
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  Speaker 4: And we have.
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  Speaker 2: Nick from The Occult Rejects who's been doing all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of awesome Halloween episodes during the month. So I want
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  Speaker 2: to welcome both you guys to the show. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: both for being here. I think this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a kick-ass episode Um, I wanted you guys to
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  Speaker 2: meet and the topic you're both obviously, uh, very in
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  Speaker 2: the mindset of the topic we're going to get into.
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  Speaker 2: So it, it just felt like the perfect time to, uh,
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  Speaker 2: to bring you guys on.
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  Speaker 4: So, so here we are. Um, firstly, Christian, thank you
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  Speaker 4: for coming back. Good to see you. How are you,
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  Speaker 4: my friend?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Doing great. Happy to be back here.
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  Speaker 4: Good man. It's good to see you. And Nick, always
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  Speaker 4: a pleasure to see you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Good, good. Thank you. I'm extremely excited for this.
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  Speaker 3: Cause, uh, I was going to cover this topic myself
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  Speaker 3: this month for Halloween, obviously, but I never got around
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  Speaker 3: to it because I recorded so much other shit. I
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  Speaker 3: think I have Baphomet, the history of Baphomet, dropping on
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  Speaker 3: Halloween instead.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like the devil, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So this is perfect. I can stream this out and
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  Speaker 3: record it, and I ended up getting it done regardless. Awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Beautiful. Yeah, it worked out great.
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  Speaker 3: And plus, not to keep going on, but Christian's got
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  Speaker 3: some wild shit with his tarot cards.
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  Speaker 5: So I want to get him on the show. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you got me a guest too. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 5: this is great.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted you guys to meet. So this is, this is great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really pumped up about this. Um, so Christian, um,
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  Speaker 2: where would you like to start? Should we just, I
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  Speaker 2: know you have a bit of a history written up.
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  Speaker 4: Should we just start with that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Let's start with the history. So the history
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  Speaker 1: that I came up with is basically just on either
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  Speaker 1: like culture or tradition, um, And there's a couple of
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  Speaker 1: ones that actually like stand out more than the others
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  Speaker 1: because there actually is quite a lot that could be
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  Speaker 1: tied in. So ancient Mesopotamia around like roughly 4,000 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: they had a tradition where families would come and bring food,
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  Speaker 1: drink offerings. And it was like honor the deceased relatives.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of repeated deceased relative honoring in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these traditions. In ancient Egypt, they had the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. It was where they would basically go to
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  Speaker 1: the tombs and bring offerings, divine images, jewelry, food, drink,
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  Speaker 1: same situation. Then you have ancient Rome. And in February,
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  Speaker 1: they had the same type of observance. It was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more cleaned up. It was more of just
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  Speaker 1: honoring family and honoring ancestors, but same principle where they
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  Speaker 1: brought food, offerings. Those offerings could be pretty much anything.
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  Speaker 1: Food kind of overlaps a lot on these. And then
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  Speaker 1: we have Ancient Rome again in May. That was the
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  Speaker 1: three-day festival. It was the 9th, the 11th, and the 13th.
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  Speaker 1: And that was household rites and tombstone observations. And it
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  Speaker 1: was more towards like addressing troublesome spirits and so on
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  Speaker 1: and so forth. So a lot of different overlaps throughout history.
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  Speaker 1: I think the closest one, which I'm going to butcher
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  Speaker 1: this word right now, Just warning you, it's pronounced so
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  Speaker 1: many different ways, but it's Samhain, S-A-M-H-A-I-N, which is the
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  Speaker 1: Gaelic traditions, which is probably the closest, which is November 1st.
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  Speaker 1: And it has to do with Irish folklore, and it's very,
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  Speaker 1: very similar to what we celebrate as Halloween today. There's
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  Speaker 1: also Christian tie-ins. So the Christian religion had All Saints
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  Speaker 1: Day and All Souls Day on November 1st, November 2nd.
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  Speaker 1: And I think at some point that's what Halloween turned into. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with corporations because
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  Speaker 1: Halloween really wasn't what it is today. If it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: for the lobbying and all the corporations and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: capitalism trying to make capital. Um, that's just a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of, of, of the, of the history leading up
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  Speaker 1: to Halloween. Um, you know, I also want to throw
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  Speaker 1: out Chinese traditions. They have the Hungry Ghost Festival. That's
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  Speaker 1: another thing that they do. Japan has, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: butcher this word, Uban, which is a Buddhist ancestor remembrance.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mexico, of course, I'm going to end with
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  Speaker 1: that because that's the most popular one, which is Dia
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  Speaker 1: de los Muertos, which is a day of the dead,
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  Speaker 1: which is a lot more structured than a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them and what we do. um it has a lot
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  Speaker 1: to do with you know direct honoring of ancestors with
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  Speaker 1: you know food candles offerings and stuff like that and
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  Speaker 1: that's a very very very very important holiday to that culture.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting that's interesting i don't even mention that uh that
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  Speaker 3: ghost that feeding ghost or whatever the hungry ghost yeah
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  Speaker 3: the hungry ghost yeah yeah because i even connected not
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  Speaker 3: that i connected that but i was like trying to
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  Speaker 3: uh one time show, just like maybe where people got
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  Speaker 3: ideas of vampires before we had vampires.
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  Speaker 5: And I threw that in there because it's like, it died.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't come back, but there's still, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: still got to whatever, you know, they're still feeding, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? But, uh, yeah, that's fine. I
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  Speaker 3: haven't heard anybody mentioned that in a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Is this it here? Uh, mid August.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, so that's actually like a summer month for them. Um,
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  Speaker 1: which is weird. Cause like we do it ours in
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  Speaker 1: the winter. Um, but yeah, it's called like, it's called the,
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  Speaker 1: I believe the official title is like, uh, the hungry
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  Speaker 1: ghost festival.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You got it. There it is. The hungry ghost festival.
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  Speaker 4: Zong Yong. Or do you, or no, do you pronounce
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  Speaker 4: the Z or the H?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe it's Hong Yong maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: One thing that I do want to add that is
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  Speaker 3: also interesting, you know, you mentioned how like Christianity kind
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  Speaker 3: of had a tie into it. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: even helping commercialize it to an extent, uh, Even in 609,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was up to, at least up to
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  Speaker 3: 609 and 610, the Roman Pantheon was dedicated to Mary
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  Speaker 3: and the martyrs on May 13th. So they even eventually
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  Speaker 3: changed the date. It didn't even match Halloween. They ended
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  Speaker 3: up changing all Hallows' Eve to the first.
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  Speaker 1: I think that might have something to do with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they were using the Gregorian calendar.
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  Speaker 3: That could be it too, but it wasn't even originally
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  Speaker 3: whatever that date. That's all I wanted to add that in.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And as we know, especially in this day and age,
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  Speaker 2: companies and corporations and anyone, they'll try to monetize and
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  Speaker 2: corporatize just about everything, right? People in the chat are
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  Speaker 2: mentioning Mother's Day. We have Indigenous Day now. Here in Canada,
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  Speaker 2: we have Truth and Reconciliation Day. I always see you
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  Speaker 2: wear an orange shirt on that day. to remember the
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  Speaker 2: lost indigenous children. And I just see, I never saw
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  Speaker 2: it before, but now over the last two years or so, um,
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing companies or sorry, stores stock these orange shirts
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  Speaker 2: beforehand and, and, and promote these days more. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just a matter of time before there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: greeting cards and what have you. But I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: would say that, um, it seems maybe Christmas and Christmas
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  Speaker 2: probably be the biggest one I would think. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Halloween seems to be pretty close, especially these days with
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  Speaker 2: like the more expensive lawn ornaments and just the more
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  Speaker 2: intricate how, uh, costumes and, uh, just how I think
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  Speaker 2: decorating for Halloween is becoming more important to certain people. And,
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  Speaker 2: they're definitely willing to spend on that passion. Um, so
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  Speaker 2: I mean, would you guys agree that Halloween's pretty much
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  Speaker 2: up there pretty close to Christmas?
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  Speaker 4: You'd say, I don't have any numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Numbers wise.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's, it's up there.
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  Speaker 5: I think, I believe, um, probably second Halloween is.
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  Speaker 1: 13, uh, $ 13. 5 billion. Oh, it's spent. Yeah. And, uh, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, since we're getting into numbers, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: go straight into this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys know what spirit Halloween is?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. There's one right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There's one right there. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So first off incredible business model, right? You have no
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  Speaker 1: real stores. They rent out old stores and they pop
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  Speaker 1: up all over the place. This company itself makes roughly
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  Speaker 1: 3 billion out of that $ 13. 5 billion pie. every year
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  Speaker 1: for halloween and and and a lot of that is
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  Speaker 1: profit they have some of the best profit numbers as
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  Speaker 1: far as halloween industries because they have no overhead almost
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  Speaker 1: zero over wait did we.
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  Speaker 3: Just lose him yeah i think he just knocked himself
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  Speaker 3: up oh yeah that's funny let's wait for him to
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  Speaker 3: hop back on that's crazy so spirit halloween you said
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  Speaker 3: makes what 3.5 out of the 13 billion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so their estimate for last year was anywhere from
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  Speaker 1: $ 2 to $ 3. 5 billion, and that was quoted by Fortune.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes a lot of sense. No, it really
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  Speaker 1: does because they have almost no overhead. If you think
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  Speaker 1: about it, they're just popping up at abandoned stores, throwing
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  Speaker 1: Halloween costumes, like shitty ones, you know, that are probably
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  Speaker 1: close to a dollar to make. They're selling for like $ 40, $ 50.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, I was thinking about that yesterday because we passed
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  Speaker 3: by a Spirit of Halloween that just opened up over
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  Speaker 3: here not too long ago.
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  Speaker 5: And you're right.
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  Speaker 3: Any of the Spirit Halloweens that I've ever seen, they
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  Speaker 3: always pop up in stores that have been something else.
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  Speaker 3: They're closed down. And I was even thinking, I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: I've gone to them before. I think I have. I
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  Speaker 3: think I got it from them. It was like a
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  Speaker 3: Jason hockey jersey. I think only because it was on sale,
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  Speaker 3: but honestly, those stores are fucking way overpriced, I think.
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  Speaker 5: For that shit that's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Because they know you're going to buy it. Because they
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  Speaker 1: know that if you're in that store, that means that
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  Speaker 1: you need a costume and you need a costume now
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  Speaker 1: because you can't wait two days for Amazon. So they're
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  Speaker 1: going to charge you double the price.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It sucks because so many people go to those stores now.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, now it's a thing to pay $ 50,
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  Speaker 3: $ 75 for a Halloween costume.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: So here's a perfect example. So my viewers know, and
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  Speaker 2: one of you guys, I don't know if you guys know,
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  Speaker 2: I love turtles.
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  Speaker 4: I own turtles. I love turtles. I'm crazy about turtles.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So a couple years ago, I got some of, you
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  Speaker 2: know how there's like skeleton versions of animals. Now you
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  Speaker 2: can get them at the dollar store or whatever. You
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  Speaker 2: couldn't find turtles anywhere because you know, it's makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Spirit of Halloween. They had the turtles this year.
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  Speaker 2: They have this kick-ass, double-headed, skeleton, like a kick-ass freaking
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  Speaker 2: turtle thing, right? So I'm like, okay, well, I need
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  Speaker 2: at least three of them. And it was almost $ 40 Canadian.
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  Speaker 2: So for you guys, you're looking at close to $ 30.
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  Speaker 2: That's like, this.
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  Speaker 4: Should be $ 5. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they probably cost them about... $ 1. 30 to make.
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  Speaker 4: It's just one material. It's just painted a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of paint.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have a 10,000-year-old actual sea turtle that was
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  Speaker 1: taxidermied that a friend of mine gave me from China.
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  Speaker 1: Super cool, super expensive. I can't bring it in here
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  Speaker 1: because it's on my wall, and it's super, super, super,
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  Speaker 1: super delicate. I'll send you a picture of it for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Remind me. I'll send you a picture.
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  Speaker 2: I'll remind you. That is so sad, but that is
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  Speaker 2: so cool. A little off topic. Real quick, I saw
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  Speaker 2: an article about this 198-year-old tortoise. And they found that
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  Speaker 2: it has about 286 unique genes. So they're thinking that
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's genes to longevity in this tortoise. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: it was showing pictures of this tortoise.
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  Speaker 4: Back in 1882. And it's... Or, sorry. Sorry, 19... 1916.
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  Speaker 2: Or, no, it was 1892, I think, actually.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it looks so healthy as it did today. And
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  Speaker 4: it's just... It's just crazy. But, anyways, I love turtles.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get back to Halloween. The point was is that
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  Speaker 4: the cheap turtle toy, right? Like, I paid... over a
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  Speaker 4: hundred bucks for the three of them.
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  Speaker 1: And you could probably get that next month for like $ 8.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to, the thing is, I, I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I knew I was getting ripped off, but I, I
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  Speaker 2: love turtles. So that plays into it a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but I also know I'm not going to find that
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else. Unless someone buys it and puts it on eBay,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm seeing certain things, but then the shipping cost
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, and then it's just as expensive.
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  Speaker 4: So I bit the bullet. I went for it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy with it, but the point is that it's
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  Speaker 2: so expensive. So I'm not surprised that they make $ 3.
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  Speaker 4: Billion out of a $ 13 billion pie.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy. That's a huge chunk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I even remember if you guys saw the,
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  Speaker 2: it was terrible, predictably, but the newest Naked Gun movie.
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  Speaker 2: They were closing down the police station and they're walking
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  Speaker 2: out of the police station and they pan up.
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  Speaker 4: And it says opening soon. Yeah, that's a long joke.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that business, it just speaks to that business model, right?
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  Speaker 2: And they kind of play a joke on it. But hey,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're cutting costs and you're upping prices. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: you're freaking, you're going to be doing well, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, out of that $ 13. 5 billion, costumes only accounts for $ 4.
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  Speaker 5: 4 billion.
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  Speaker 1: So- Realistically, they are the kings of costumes. And I
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  Speaker 1: think they do something with Amazon, too. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Amazon costumes, if they're not Chinese dropshipping, they're
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  Speaker 1: usually from Spirit Halloween. Usually. Out of that, also, candy
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  Speaker 1: is $ 4.
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  Speaker 5: 1 billion.
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  Speaker 1: Decorations are $ 4. 3 billion. greeting cards is 800 million, which
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  Speaker 1: I've never gotten a Halloween greeting card.
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  Speaker 4: I've never gotten it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That must be something different.
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  Speaker 2: My mom, my mom likes giving cards. She's giving me
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  Speaker 2: a Halloween card, but, but she's, she's an outlier for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then out of the population, this is a crazy
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  Speaker 1: one because even I was kind of shocked about this.
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  Speaker 1: Approximately 74% of people participate in one way or another
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  Speaker 1: in Halloween, which that's a pretty high number if you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, you know, that's a, that's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, 74%. And of those 74% of people on average,
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  Speaker 1: everybody is spending a minimum of about $ 115 and 14
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  Speaker 1: cents on something related to Halloween, which is a hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent doable. Cause like My costume was probably like $ 50.
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  Speaker 1: My wife's costume was $ 50. That's $ 100 right there. I
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  Speaker 1: bought the big size candy bars to give out to
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  Speaker 1: the kids. So that's another $ 50 right there. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: like I'm at $ 150 just by myself.
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  Speaker 5: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. What did I buy this year? So I
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  Speaker 4: bought the three turtles. I got a couple more of
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  Speaker 4: the skeleton turtles. So that's $ 130, $ 140. I bought the
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  Speaker 4: Overlook sign.
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  Speaker 2: And then I bought, I didn't buy it from Spirit, though,
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  Speaker 2: but I bought Eyes Wide Shut Mask.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 2: And that was very expensive, though, so that's, oh, shit.
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  Speaker 1: Where'd you get that, on Etsy?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, from Venice, Shop Mask Venice, out of the Netherlands.
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  Speaker 5: And, oh, dude.
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  Speaker 4: That's a nice one. That is very nice.
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  Speaker 5: That was 20 bucks in Venice. It's actually Venetian, like
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  Speaker 5: it came from Venice.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't see the problem, though. I can't find that.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get that mask anywhere else, right?
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  Speaker 4: That's the only seller.
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  Speaker 2: And they do it like the Venetian way with the
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  Speaker 2: paper machine and all that.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So let's not count the masks. And then I bought
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  Speaker 2: a cloak for the costume. So I've spent about, let's say, $ 200.
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  Speaker 4: Canadian. So about $ 150.
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  Speaker 1: And then are you going to go out for Halloween?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going, so I'm going to Ottawa to visit family.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I'll probably take the kids trick or.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Treating and the, my cousin's, uh, neighbors are having a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Halloween party the night before. So yeah, I'll go out
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the night before and then probably take them trick or treating.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So for me, I'm in, I'm in New York, right?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So we have the city. I'm actually doing, uh, a show,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the 29th, the 30th and 31st in the city. But
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: after the show on the 31st, we're going to, we're
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: going to go out. But in the city, it's like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a really big deal. Every, everybody has a costume and,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and the name of the game is basically from bar
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to bar, to bar, to bar, everybody's bar hopping with costumes. So, um,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys ever been to the city,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but I used to live on Long Island. It was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: like 15 bucks. So, That adds up.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: So a beer is $ 15? It's about $ 15. On Halloween?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: No, just in the city. It's very expensive.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, because I didn't drink in the city.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: A mixed drink on average is like $ 30. Fucking crazy.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: There are some bars that are going to have it cheaper,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but the average is about $ 30 for a mixed drink.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So it's very expensive to– and plus on Halloween, you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: can't just really walk into most bars. It's, oh, you
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have to pay a cover trip. So it was like
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a $ 15 cover charge to get into the bar and whatnot. Um,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I used to love it, but nowadays it's just, um,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it's too much. It's absurdly expensive. And every bar you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: go into, you're just like a sardine, you know?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And, and I mean, at that point, I mean, personally,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I would get some enjoyment out of it if I'm
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: out with my friends and stuff, but I mean, like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you're paying all that money and it's just crowded. Like
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I got a bit of anxiety. So I'm like, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you're getting some beer spilled on you maybe, and it's crowded.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, so this dude stinks of BO and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that's throwing you off.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: And I mean, like, I don't know, man, like, i
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: don't know next year it's not it i should come
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: hit up new york i have the.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Same thing i know i have i have like the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: anxiety too i just i hate the feeling of uh
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: being in a super cramped room like and then like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you know trying to get a drink When there's so
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: many people in a bar, oh, my God. You have
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to wave 100 to the bartender just to get them
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to pay attention to you.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. And I'm Mr.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Nice Guy, so, like, where you're supposed to be, like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: fucking right in there and give me a drink. I'm
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: kind of like if someone, like, kind of shows some
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: more aggression, I just back.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Off a bit.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And then so it's like, okay, I'll go next, and
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I'll go next. And I'm like, okay, no, now I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: want a freaking drink here. So, yeah, I feel like
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I'd never get a drink.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Crazy christian where are you from uh are you from
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the city you know i was.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Born in brooklyn but i live in staten island now
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: oh okay i'm all right i'm always in the city
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: i'm always i'm always doing things in the city we're
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: doing a huge pop-up event um for the for halloween
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: three days we're gonna show some art have some tarot
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: cards out for display do some tarot readings um.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Is this for courage over comfort.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yep i'm doing a collaboration uh with my company and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: my friend's company And we're just going to be hanging
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: out at this pop-up shop and like selling art and, um,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you know, giving out candy. I, I, uh, I made
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a big, huge 12 and a half foot skeleton that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put in the front that I painted
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: up a little bit and made like cool designs on it. Um,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it should, it should be a lot of fun.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun. I like handing
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: out the full size candy bars to all the kids
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: because whoever had the full size candy bars, like, yo,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that was the house because like little pieces. You get
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the full-size, like, oh, we're coming back here next year
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and next year and next year.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: That's right, dude. Absolutely.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And you just, like, you feel so good when you
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: get a full bar or, like, a full bag of Skittles,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the full-size bag of candy or whatever.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: If it's full-size, it's like, holy crap, I just, like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: can we come back here? So, Nick, what do you
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: have planned for Halloween? You mentioned a few things last
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: time we spoke, but what have you got going on?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, just probably going out with my girlfriend and her
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: daughter and her daughter's friend.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. And her, and her friend, uh, her friend's parents.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Have you spent any additional money on Halloween this year?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Uh, no. Well, I mean, I'm probably, uh, I'm just
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: going to, I might actually wear that mask, but then
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: if I do, I'm going to have to get something
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to go with it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: So I don't know. Okay.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: So you're not handing out candy.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Fuck that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: No.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Hey, I'm not, no, I'm not answering the door.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I don't even know who the fuck is in this
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: apartment complex.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not big on, you know, when I
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: was a kid, I used to love going out trick-or-treating,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but I'm actually not too big on answering the door
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: and handing out shit. Not that I don't want to be,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: you know, being cheap. I just find it fucking annoying
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: or just uncomfortable. I think it's really just probably social anxiety.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, fuck it, I gotta keep answering the door
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and give a motherfucker shit.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You guys want to get into some of the conspiracy
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: theories on Halloween?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Sure. Of course I do.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so claim number one. Candy companies invented Halloween. Now.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We've already went over a lot of the traditional stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Okay? Businesses did heavily influence the modern shopping experience and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the modern experience of Halloween.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: But.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: they didn't exactly invent Halloween. They definitely made it what
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it is today. And there are some other conspiracy theories
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that we're going to go over that'll kind of like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: shock you a little bit on how much they tried
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to push for things. But they definitely had a huge, huge,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: huge role in shaping Halloween to be what it is
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: with the candy and whatnot. I mean, Kellogg's at one
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: point was made like mini uh, cereal boxes. And they
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: were like, this is the best, you know, best thing to,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to give off, uh, to your Halloween guests and stuff
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like that. Like all the companies, you know, the mini
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: size candy bars, this all came about for Halloween. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: then the next one is, uh, candy companies created the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: campaign that people were poisoning candy.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Uh, I wanted to get into this. Thank you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Because people in the very beginning before these companies got
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: involved were giving out homemade treats and homemade drinks. So
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: it was all about the community. Like, hey, here's a brownie.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Here's a cookie. Here's an oatmeal pie. Here's a.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Drink.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And it's unsupported. However, there seems to be a lot
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: of discussion on the internet That this might have been
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the case because the actual cases of somebody actually poisoning
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: somebody for candy. The only one that was like 100%
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: confirmed was one case. And it was a father who
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: put cyanide in the candy and gave it to his kid,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: which is fucking crazy. Yeah. But. Purposely.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Purposely. His own kid.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Purposely. Yes, purposely. He didn't kill anybody else. He didn't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: poison anybody else. It was only this one person. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: believe his name was, where is it? Where's his name? No,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the kid's name, Timothy O'Brien, and he died in 1974
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: after receiving cyanide-laced candy from his father, who was convicted
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of murder. That is probably one of the only real
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: solid cases for, like, actual poisoning happening now. And that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: interesting to me too, because every year around Halloween on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: social media, I always see like, Oh, I found the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: needle in my candy. And like, it's believable, but also like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: how come I haven't heard of anybody actually like being
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: harmed necessarily from this, from these types of things. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: everybody knows, you know, especially nowadays, like if your candy
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is open, you don't, don't eat it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And, um, so like, yeah, pins and, and then like
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: razor blades and apples and stuff.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Um, and then, uh, what, what I'm trying to think here.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I remember the, uh, I remember the Tylenol murders in
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Chicago area really freaked people out.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Was that the one where, where they were, where it
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was somebody from the factory that was poisoning Tylenol, something
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: No, they thought maybe it was, they never officially caught
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the guy, uh, But they... Well, no, they did, actually.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: But they never got him put away. And then he
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: just died, actually. Like, I think he just died, like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a year ago or something.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting case. Let me just pull it up here.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Killer suspect. Because he had, like, drawings of how to
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: fill the... How to empty the Tylenol and how to
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: fill it. Yeah, James W.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Lewis.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: That's who it was. Yeah, so they.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: They had all types of evidence and he, he, um,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: him and his wife ran away after the crime and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: were committing crimes while they were running from this crime,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: but they just could never actually, you.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Know, in the court of law, they just could never
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: probably would have got him eventually, but he died.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But he died.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, actually I think he was smart and he just, he,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: he screwed off and just.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: He started, you don't think he's even dead.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's dead, but I think he was,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I think they didn't find, I think, I think he
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: was able to, to, to live so long after, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: then finally die, because he was very, you know, writing
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: things in the paper, and he was all over the news,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: but then at a certain point, he just shut up,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: moved away, they didn't, and then they couldn't find him
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: for years, and then, like, they made a documentary a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: couple years ago, where they finally found him, and you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: get to see him again. And, but he was, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: think he realized like, if I'm really going to get
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: away with this, I need to, I need.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: To get out of here and let time go by basically. Um,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: but yeah, that was a crazy case.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And, and it, I just bring it up because it
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: caused in, in the state and in the area, it
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: just caused a huge panic over Halloween for, uh, you know, um,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many years, but it just upped,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you know, DEFCON level when it came to Halloween.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And, um, were there, were there cases or do you
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: recall any cases where, I think it was chocolate where, where, um,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: like pins or metal, something was being found in the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: chocolate and they had to recall it because I honestly
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was, that was one of the cases
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: where they thought that people were poisoning the chocolate, but
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it turned out to be a hoax and it was
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: just a mistake by the manufacturing company.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Gotcha. Okay.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So, next conspiracy theory. Also, we forgot to mention that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: we don't like the word, but we're going to use
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it today.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: We don't like it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So, Halloween worships the devil or a deity or a god.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: This isn't true. Even in a lot of the cultural
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: traditions that we went over, it's all more about people
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and ancestors and so on and so forth. And I
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of the hysteria of people who
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: don't celebrate Halloween are usually not celebrating it because of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that idea. And the truth is, is that Halloween is
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: whatever you make it to be. So if you decide
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in your head that it's worshiping the devil, that's what
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be. But it can very simply just
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: be Handing out candy and decorating your house. That's pretty
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: much it. It's whatever you want it to be.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because I went to visit
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: a friend at work the other day and it was
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: an office setting and they have a chain of offices
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: around town. And one employee at a different office was
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: trying to tell all the other offices, like, you shouldn't
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: be decorating for Halloween because it's, you know, it's devil
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: worship and all of that. And I kind of said
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the same thing, where it's like, no matter where the...
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I said it a little differently, but I said no
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: matter where the roots come from, truly, or what other
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: people might have in mind for it, I mean... the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: way you celebrate it and the way you kind of project.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: It is all that, that really matters. Right. I mean, um, there's.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Also an interesting, there's an interesting parallel that just popped
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: into my head that I realized, um, in a lot
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of cultures and ancient cultures, when it comes to spirituality,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of different types of, uh, people, uh,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: elders or shamans in these cultures that people would go
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to for spiritual, uh, help. And, It's very important that
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: when these shamans or spiritual people are helping the person
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that they're helping, they wear some kind of disguise or mask.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that has to do with them
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: separating themselves from who they are and being presented to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the person as sort of like this other. That's like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: even if like, you know, especially if it's somebody in
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: your village or your family, you know, It's important to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: have that mask so that you can be separate from them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And it's a big thing that's part of the healing
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: process and the spiritual process of a lot of these cultures, right?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of similar to how when you go to church
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and your priest is wearing these colorful garbs and all
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: these different things and stuff like that. It's very, very
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: similar in that sense. So there is a little bit
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of an overlap there that I realized in my head
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: as we were talking. That's funny. But this next conspiracy
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: theory is the one that I mentioned earlier that is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: really pretty good evidence of overreach from companies.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: The conspiracy is the candy industry helped change the clocks
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: so that they can sell more candy.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: What do you mean by change the clocks?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Daylight savings. Oh.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So, so they, they, they were, they were pioneering for
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: daylight state, like literally daily.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. So there is evidence that they actually lobbied to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: have daylight savings time extend through Halloween. And the argument was,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is more daylight hours to encourage trick or treating and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: candy purchases.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Actually is evidence of this. Um, so I thought that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was really cool. And that was funny because, uh, that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: kind of like a, uh, like a little crime, I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: guess you would say. It's because you're just making it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: so that daylight saving times last through Halloween so there
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: could be more daylight hours, which I don't think anybody's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: mad about, right? Because if you do participate in Halloween,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you have an extra hour of daylight, you know what
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? So no harm, no foul there, but there
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: is evidence that they lobbied for that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: No harm, no foul, except for the.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: The extra money out of people's pockets, right?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: You've got to balance everything. That's interesting. Okay, I mistook.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I thought you meant back in the day they were
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: behind helping to institute daylight savings.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: So they wanted to extend it through Halloween. Wow, okay. Interesting.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I can definitely believe that. That sounds more than believable.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Lobbying is very easy and surprisingly cheap. Surprisingly, surprisingly cheap.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You know, you would think that it would take hundreds
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars to lobby things. Sometimes all it
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: takes is like 50K and a handshake. And you got
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a politician in your pocket. Politicians are very cheap. They're very,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: very cheap.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Because they want to grab, they want to grab, like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, Trump is a perfect example, not that we
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: got to get into politics today, but they want to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: grab literally every dollar they can before they're out of
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that office.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Like, so yeah, um, I buy it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It's it's like, um, I think becoming a president or
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: becoming a politician is like being a really, really good criminal.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with being a good criminal, right?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: If you, if you're bending the rules to take advantage
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of a system, that's already basically fraud. kudos to you, right?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not, you're not harming anybody, whatever it is,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but becoming a politician or a president and being in
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: these types of positions is basically like being, it's like
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the last level of being a criminal. Like you're like
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the most successful of the criminals because you're doing things
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that are sort of should be illegal, but technically aren't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: illegal because you're the politician passing the law. It's a,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it's a crazy, crazy web, but I feel like that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the most successful criminal is like a politician. Truth.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, and.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: It's just, it's just blatant now. It's just, they do it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Nobody cares.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And then when we do find out, it's like, okay.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And then tomorrow something new is in the news and it's, and, um,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the news cycles are just becoming so crazy that, Um,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: even though these are crazy things, we should be doing
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: something about it. It's having, it seems to be having
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: more of an effect where it's so crazy that it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just a big blur.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: And nothing's going to get done kind of thing.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Have any of you guys caught the, uh, recent release of, um, uh,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that new Nathan Fielder documentary?
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: Um, not yet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: You can see other. Or sorry.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, you can see everything. Yeah, you can see everything. Yes. Yes.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: No, but it's on my list. It's on my list. Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Go for it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: What do you got to say?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It's a long one. It's three hours. But it's a
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: little boring. But it's definitely something that you should watch
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: because I watched the Hulu version of that, the dramatized series.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I watched the documentaries. I didn't get into the series.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I watched a couple of documentaries too because my wife
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was very interested in it. And the one thing that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of my head about that whole
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: case was I truly don't understand how she's even in jail.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Because from my perception, she didn't do anything illegal.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Illegal.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Because she defrauded investors. She got people to give her
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: money for an invention that that she was developing.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And, um, you know, when I, back then, when I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: looked into it, because I was really perplexed, like, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was like, how can somebody go to jail for, you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: raising money for, for an invention, which again, like the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: argument is always, she was saying that it was doing things, um,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't yet capable of doing or whatever it is.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Even if that was the case, which from what I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: understand is, wasn't actually the case. But even if that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: was the case, how is that illegal? And how do
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you get 10 years in jail for that? Because that's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: basically how every single company that's in the S &
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: P 500 started. They lied to a bunch of investors.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: They got the money. They started the company. And that's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the American dream right there. So apparently, the actual disagreement
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is the way she spoke And apparently she's definitely a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: master manipulator. Because I did her chart, astrology. And I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: did her new husband's chart, astrologically. And they are master manipulators.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. Just so you know, we are doing an episode
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: on this. Because this is great shit, man. So we
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: will be, for those listening, we will be coming back
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: to this another day. Because this is, I wanted to
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: talk about this. And you've just kind of cracked open
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a great angle here.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: So.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I won't say too much then since we're
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: going to do a topic about it. But the part
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't get past was the fraud part. I
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: don't understand how that's fraud. And I don't understand how
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that's fraud because so many people and so many companies
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and that's what they do. So like if you're, you know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: like this person just said, a snake oil salesman, right?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And you're selling snake oil. I totally support your freedom
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to sell snake oil. It is my responsibility as the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: consumer to, to, to, to know whether or not what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you're selling me is fake. Now, if you're selling something
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that's harming people, that's a different story, right? So if
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you're selling something that's causing people illness, strife, or, or,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: or hurting them, that's, that's, that should be a different story.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: And I.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I do believe that, you know, if I want to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: sell you, you know, this drink and, um, I'm telling
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you that this is the best drink ever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And you bought the drink and it's not the best
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: drink ever. How is that fraud? You know, I don't,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. And, and this goes really deep into
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of different things and, you know, how the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: overreach of government that if they just want to put
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you in jail for something, they will. And if you're
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: well connected, you could do it even worse and you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: won't go to jail for it. But, uh, but we
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: should definitely get into this on an episode because I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: did their full charts and their charts.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Because, uh, I'll, I'll just add two things, um, where you're,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: where you're talking about like the drink and the best drink.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I think like some subjectivity and objectivity comes into play
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and kind of depends on what you're selling and how
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you're selling it, but very good points.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: And, um, What was my second point?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: OK, maybe because what this person just mentioned, that Silicon
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Valley is a cult, which I mean, I'm not seeing
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: much evidence to disprove that. So maybe she and I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: she at some point she had to be in the cult.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: So maybe she just pissed off the wrong investor. Was
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: there anything in the documentary that went into that?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: No, but here's my theory.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Her device actually does work. Just so that everybody understands,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: her device actually does work.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say too much on it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: There's an explanation to how, why, what it works, okay?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: If her device was to go onto market This was
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: going to disrupt a trillion-dollar industry of blood work and medical.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Do you know that?
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: The whole healthcare industry.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: If you go to get blood work and you have insurance,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: maybe you pay a $ 1, 500 copay, but the actual charge
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: going to your insurance company is like $ 2, 500. So imagine
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: going from $ 2, 500 to... $ 40 for a blood test. And
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you don't need these giant facilities and these giant machines
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that cost millions of dollars. It was going to disrupt
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: an entire industry and bankrupt several companies, possibly affecting the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: stock market pretty badly.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: And who do you think, and like these, whoever, you know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I got to go back.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I'll have to go back and watch the documentaries. I
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: will definitely watch the documentary before we speak. And if
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I have time, I'll try to get into the series.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But I'd like to just get a better idea of, like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe who she was dealing with that, you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: they realized, oh, man, I'm invested in this, but this
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: thing I'm invested in could disrupt this whole market that
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'm involved in. My friends are involved, you know, whatever, friends, sleazebags,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them. people I work with, whatever,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: it's going to disrupt the law. It's going to disrupt
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the cult. It's going to disrupt the group. However you
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: want to label it, right? So that's interesting. That's interesting.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: We'll have to do that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Originally, the case was based on her harming somebody with
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the tests.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And when they found no evidence of that, that's when
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they went into this whole quote-unquote fraud. So that was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: never actually– the fraud thing was never actually a case.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: They only– developed and created a case of fraud when
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they couldn't find anything originally with the hurting somebody, which
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: is a very, very prominent pattern with these government agencies,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: especially the FDA. Like the FDA, if they come in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and like, oh, you're selling a supplement or something, you're
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: putting stuff in the supplement that you shouldn't have, they'll
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: confiscate everything. And then when they don't find anything in
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: your supplements that you weren't spiking your pre-workout with steroids,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that's when they go into your company and they find
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: something to put you away. Cause they're like, we just
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars testing this. People came there, they
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: rated you. We're going to put you away for something
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: and they will find something to put you away. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it's all about, you know, again, somebody somewhere pointed a finger,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: needed you gone. And that's, and that's what happens.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Cool.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, well stay tuned for that. We'll, we'll have to,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: we'll do that in November, man. That sounds great.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: That sounds great. Okay, I don't remember what we were
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: actually on. I think we.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Were moving on to the next conspiracy.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But quick, I forgot to mention when you were talking
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: about the making of the mini candies and stuff, like
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the mini chocolate bars, for example, or the mini Skittles,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: or the mini Sour Patch Kids. I could be wrong,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but I remember growing up where you would only see
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: those mini things around when Halloween came around. But now.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: Now it's all the time.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Go to the dollar store, you can get them anywhere.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: And.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: It's more expensive to buy it that way.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: Of course, yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Way more... Like, way more expensive if you do the numbers, right?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: So.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: It's interesting how they just slipped it into the market.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: They made it a seasonal thing. Fun size.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, now it's a fun size, a sack size, a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: share size, a share size. And now you used to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: have M & M bags in one bag. Now you
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: have literally, what, four, five, or six different size bags
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you can.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Get at M & M' s.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: If you're not counting like Costco size, if you're not
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: getting into that territory, right?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's crazy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Now all the Halloween candy this year is going to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: be Snickers with protein. Skittles with protein.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Oh, yo, I saw Pop-Tarts. I think it's Pop-Tarts now
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: with protein or something.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I saw it with protein, and I was like, where
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: the fuck did they get that idea from?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Because everybody is trying to be healthy and eat more protein,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and it's a whole big scam.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: It's a whole big scam.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: It's the new avocado or the new– Quinoa or the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: new whatever, right? So, yeah, or the new avocado toast
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: or the new, yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: It's just all a fad. It's all a scam.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: It's all, yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Eggs are good. Eggs are bad. Eggs are good.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, listen, for a while, for a while, Fruity
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Pebbles and Fruit Loops were at the top of the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: food pyramid, so. Oh, yeah.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: True that. True that, man. Yep.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: When I was younger, when I started smoking weed again.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: That's good stuff. Okay, so let me see.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: One other question before we move on. And I don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: know if you were going to get to this, but
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: what about the pumpkins? The carving of the pumpkins? I
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: think it wasn't always just pumpkins. Okay, so it was gourds, right,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of any kind?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: because it's the harvest month.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, we lost them again. Oh, shit.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Connection. Connection. But anyway, it's the harvest month. So you
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: have all of these– there he goes. He's back. It's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the harvest month. So you have all of these communities
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and cultures where October they would harvest all of their crops.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: So they would be displayed. The crops would be displayed.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So I think that's where the pumpkins and the gourds
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and everything comes in to the play. Now, a lot
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of people don't know this, but you can eat pumpkin,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and pumpkin is really, really good.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, dude.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's delicious. You even bake it in the oven
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: or soup. It's very, very good. It's not just the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: seeds that you eat, people.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: No, I know, man.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's very good.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: It's like a squash. It's like squash, right? Yeah, pies.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: It's also very good for you.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: It kills parasites in your stomach. It kills a lot
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: of different types of mold and fungus and stuff like that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: It has a lot of beneficial properties to it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: You know, just real quick, too, when it came with
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: the whole jack-o'-lantern idea, the American, when it kind of
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: got big over in America is when it switched over
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: to pumpkins.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Originally, it was even turnips.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, turnips.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: So that's even– That's another good food.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, right?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: It's like don't eat these, guys.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Just use them for other stuff and eat the food
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: the company is making.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe it had something to do– I didn't find any
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: evidence of this. I'm just spitballing here. Maybe it had
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: something to do with the fact that people stopped eating
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and using pumpkins and it was a good crop. So
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: they wanted to be able to push the crop.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: You never know, yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Because in my personal life, the only people that I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: know that eat pumpkins to this day are very older people.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Like I learned that you could eat a pumpkin from
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: my grandmother. I didn't know you could eat pumpkins. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: used to see her eating this dish all the time.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you eating? She's like, it's pumpkin.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, you could eat pumpkins. And I tried
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that and I was like, I was like, damn, this
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: shit's really good.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Interesting. Cause it is really, it is good.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: It is good. Cause I like, I like squash and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: butternut squash and air corn, different squashes. It's just like
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: a different squad. Like, I guess it's, I guess they're
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: all part of the Gord family or whatever.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I think, um, that's interesting.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: So, um, did you say that you weren't sure if
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you could find like reference to like a down?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything down. That was concrete. It was
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: more in the conspiracy theory realm. Okay. But there is
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: definitely some evidence to show that that would have been
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: a good reason to. That would have been a good
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: reason to.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I like that one. That's a good one.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Okay. That answers my question. All right. Got any other
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: conspiracies for us?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That was the, uh, the last, I mean, well, there
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: is one more or any other.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: There's the conspiracy that, you know, on Halloween, the spirit
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: world opens and you're communing with spirits when you do
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Halloween and that's all folklore. Um, it's, it, it, it, even,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: even from a spiritual standpoint or a cultural standpoint, you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: if that was your intention and you were preparing and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: going about your day and your week For this one
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: event to do that, you know, maybe that would be
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it for you. But in general, Halloween itself for the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: 74% of people that celebrate it, that's not what it's about.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: It's truly all fun and games. It's the same thing
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: as Christmas. People, so many people celebrate Christmas and a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: good portion of them, probably the majority portion of them,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: don't celebrate it for the religious reasons i don't celebrate
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it for the religious reasons i do not either i
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: just celebrate it because i get to eat some good
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: ass food and i get to give some gifts to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: people that i love that's.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: It you know.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: And and rum and eggnog my friend.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: That's true you can only really get eggnog around christmas yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Which is good because i i probably drink it regularly
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: not regularly i thought it was.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: Way more man i I thought I was addicted to
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: it last winter, man.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: It's so good, man.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: It's like 5,000 calories, though.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: You know, I was going to say it is like
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: so fattening if you're going to drink it regularly, though, yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I was very happy but extremely traumatized when I went
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: to the store and it was the day, it was
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the last, it was the day after they started, you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: stopped selling and it was like no more and I'm like, oh.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: But this year I bought like I would buy.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, how many do I have at home? Okay, let's
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: buy a couple extra.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So even the day after, I still had some at home.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: So I was just like, okay, I got to.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: You got to ration it out.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Ration, sorry. I'm all hopped up on this eggnog thought now.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I got to ration it out and make sure,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you know, how much. And then afterwards, I was like, okay,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I feel kind of better not drinking that shit all
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: every day.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: So, but yeah, we got it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: We got to do one on, uh, on Christmas too,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: because the Christmas, Christmas is heavily, heavily influenced by, uh,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Viking culture.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the three of us should definitely do
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: that for Christmas too, because this is, this is really fun.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: This is really good stuff.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: That might be a little bit of a long one.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Cause there's a lot, that's okay.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: A lot of history to it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of history to it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: That's all good.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Um, Nick, I think you mentioned you might have a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: few corporations or something along that lines.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: You wanted to bring up. Yeah, I have that pulled up, yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Cool, let's get into that for a little bit.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you get into some of the dates, just
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: to kind of show you, I guess... Actually, the interesting
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: thing is, I think, with these dates is to show
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: you kind of how, like, this is... Like, I think
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: you were saying, Christian, fairly new, really, with the whole
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: candy crap and all that stuff. You know, or the
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: costumes and all that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: In the 1880s, you had Wonder... W-U-N-D-E-R-L-E, candy.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: And they started the early kind of candy corn production.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Then in 1898, you had Golitz. And they started doing
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: the mass production of candy corn. Then in 1909 and onward,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: you had this company called Denison Manufacturing. And they put
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: out books and guides on basically like Halloween party guides
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: for decorations and costumes and stuff. So, like, this book
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: came out that even started telling people, like, how, you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: we're supposed to even celebrate Halloween, I guess. You know
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Like, I can kind of see it
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: doing that to an extent. And then in the 1920s,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: you had B-E-I-S-T-L-E, B-E-S-T-L-E, or something like that. They standardized
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: the inexpensive paper Halloween decorations. I think they're even the ones... Oh,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Denison even... denison even that that book even started showing
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: the orange and black crepe paper like i think they
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: were even the ones that kind of like really got
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: into the whole orange and black for halloween uh colors
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: um yeah and then in hallmark like you mentioned before
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: in the hallmark uh 1920s they started halloween greeting cards
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: in the 20s yeah and later party supplies this one
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: is interesting um In 1937, there was a company that
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: was founded in Brooklyn, New York called Ben Cooper. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: this is kind of pretty much like the rise of
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: mass produced Halloween costumes. Ben Cooper specialized in inexpensive, commercially
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: manufactured Halloween costumes. The company became particularly well known for
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: box costumes with molded masks and printed fabric or plastic outfits.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Costumes were sold through major retailers such as Woolworths. And
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: licensing agreements allowed the company to manufacture costumes based on
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: recognizable entertainment characters. Now, when Ben Cooper acquired A.S. Fischbach
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: in 1937, the company was already holding licenses for Disney
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: character costumes. So even when that all happened and this
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: guy started doing this, Disney was like already kind of
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: had their foot in there already to start pumping out
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Halloween costumes.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Is that the same guy who started Spirit Halloween?
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Yo, right? Well, that was from 1939. I would assume
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: he's dead now.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he had anything to do with it.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yo, right?
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: So, and then 1954, you had Mars documented a national
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Halloween themed candy advertising. And then in 1967, no, 1960s
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: and 1970, you had Hershey, Brock's, and Mars Expanding again,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: branded candy sales and promotion. 1973, Not Berry's Farm, commercial
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: theme park Halloween haunts. They're like one of the first
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: to start doing kind of like, I guess, theme park stuff. 1978,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Compass International Pictures. It was a major commercial success of,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: that was who put out the movie Halloween.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: And I would say, you know, that kind of helped,
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: I think, popularize the whole thing.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: And then in 1983, Spirit Halloween came out.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Founded by Joseph Marver.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And then he expanded the chain to 60 stores before
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: selling it to Spencer's Gifts in 1999.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, Spencer's?
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: There you go, guys.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had Spencer's Gifts down as the last one
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: on my list. Expansion of Spirit's seasonal retail business.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. You mentioned Hershey's and I, I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: remember distinctly and, uh, you know, excuse me if, if
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I butcher any of this, but if I'm correct, Hershey's
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: was originally developed for war to feed the troops.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: And, and then when it, when the war was over,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you know, they had all these Hershey factories and they
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: literally made propaganda to get people to eat Hershey's chocolate
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: bars at home. The same thing happened with milk. I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if you remember as a kid, all the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: got milk advertising in school. Like when I was a kid,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: it just got milk everywhere. And that had to do
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: with the war because they were producing so much milk
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: for the war. And then afterwards they didn't know what
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the hell to do. These companies would go under. So they,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: they started doing all this propaganda to eat chocolate bars
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and milk.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Halloween tied into that at all.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, probably man. I mean, milk, You also use
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: it for chocolate and all sorts of other baking and
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: sweets and candies, right?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Then at Christmas, you've got to make sure
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: you have carrots for the fucking reindeer that don't exist
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: and a glass of milk for fucking someone. So, I mean,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: you're going out and buying shit you may not even
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: normally fucking need or even want.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Since you mentioned Hershey's, it reminded me of a comment here.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: My grandmother told me back in the day when trick-or-treating
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: became more mainstream, the houses would give out pennies. I
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: think the Hershey Trust Company is behind the more modern ritual.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I remember getting i remember getting money yes when i
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was when i was when i was really really candid
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: apples i would get like you know pennies quarters dimes
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes you get a dollar i remember that distinctly but
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: that was when i was like really really young that's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: probably like an early halloween memory.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: And then they started unicef so you didn't get the
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: money you'd feel bad to keep the money you give
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: it to the this damn organization.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, man, that's interesting.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Sorry to cut you off, Nick.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: No, you're good. Oh, yeah, that's what I had.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, beautiful. Interesting. Cool, guys. This was awesome, man.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Anything else before we wrap it up? Any other thoughts?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I think I got all my questions answered pretty much.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. I think anything that I even had, he
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: already kind of touched on, so, yeah.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Cool this is good.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I tried to get as much as i could and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff i wanted to add
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: that i kind of left out because i couldn't really
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: find like solid solid evidence for you know yeah um
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah i mean listen i love halloween so uh
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: i don't even care i'd be celebrating halloween forever oh.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah good stuff all right guys well this this was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun i'm glad you guys got to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: me i hope you guys uh hook up again in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: the future i think we're gonna have to get back
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: together to do a Christmas episode.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Um, cause that'd be a lot of fun.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And, um, yeah. Um, if, uh, Nick, if you're into the, um,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: the Theranos case or the Elizabeth Holmes case or anything
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: like that, and you want to join our conversation on that,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: obviously we're, we'll probably, probably, probably put that off till
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: maybe mid November or late November.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: Cause I'll be away for a little while, but yeah,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: that does sound actually interesting.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: All right, guys.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Well, before we wrap it up, Christian, why don't you
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: go first? Let everyone know where they can find you.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: Please let them.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Know where they can get your kick-ass killer cards that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: you've spoken about before because those are super cool. And
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I know you have the new deck out and all that,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: so please let everyone know where they can find you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: and all your stuff.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you. KillerCardsTower.com. You can get both decks on there now.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: So if you're interested, hop on in. Otherwise, you could
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: hit us up on social media, Courage Over Comfort Co.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: or Courage Over Comfort 444 on TikTok. And message me.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I like talking with people. So if you have questions
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: or anything that we spoke about today that piqued your interest,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: definitely shoot me a message.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: Cool, man. And I got an email from you guys
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: the other day. I'll mention it for you.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I believe, let me get this correctly, you are selling
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: the Second, the second printing of the killer cards, you're
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: bundling it with the first printing of your new AI, sorry,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: what are they called?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Circuits of Consciousness. And I think you get that for,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: is it 50 American, 60 American?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Basically, you buy one deck, you get one free.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, for.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Those who are just hearing of it, this is definitely
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: your best chance. I'm going to Like I told you,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to buy a couple of bundles because not
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: only do I want the circuits ones, but these are,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: these are kick-ass gifts, man, especially for people who love
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Halloween and stuff like that. So really cool stuff, man.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Nick, where can everyone find you and find all your
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: wonderful work?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: Thank you. I had a blast for real. Thank you.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: It was great. Christian, are you on any social media? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram. They hate us, so we're a pretty
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: shadow band over there. That's Courage Over Comfort Co. And
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: then TikTok, we're on Courage Over Comfort 444. But send
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: me a message on there, and I'll give you my
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: personal Instagram too.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: All right, awesome.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I'll have to find you one. I'll hit you up
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: on Instagram.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Christian, can I give him your email?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: That might work better, actually.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd prefer that.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: I don't have to go on that shitty app to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: talk to you. I'll get that to you.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: I'm a lot happier when I can use emails instead
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: of DMs and social media to talk to guests or whatever.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Because then it forces, you know, I end up, I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: can't control myself. I have to look at the shit.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, oh, I hate Instagram.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: And then two hours later. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: I'm going through it again. I'm like, motherfucker.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, shit. What was I doing?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: I got to get back to my life.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Stuck on the toilet bowl. Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: That's funny.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: That's true. That's the truth. Yeah. The Occult Rejects.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: That's on YouTube, Rumble, and all major podcasts. And I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: guess for anybody who's listening now, too, on my end,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: I am going live again at 3 o'clock with a guest,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Alan Berman. He's presenting It's Eugenics, Not Aliens. So check
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: that out. And, again, thank you a lot, guys. Christian,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: hopefully I would like to get you on my show,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: talk about those tarot cards. Fucking interesting as hell. And
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: you're also a fellow New Yorker, so got to get
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: you on. Yeah, nice.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Cool, guys.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned, everyone, and I'll have these guys back soon. And, yeah,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: stick around and tune in to the Occult Rejects at
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: 3 p.m.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: All right, guys. Have a good day, and I'll be
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: in touch. Later, guys.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: Bye.