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Pete Heat: I Do Jokes Now, Siegfried and Roy, Magic or Witchcraft?, NY is a City I Ep.23 · Rich Fulcher's TalkBox

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Hi, welcome to Talk Box. Talk Boxers.
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We finally up and did it. We've got a magician on the show
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for you. His name's Pete Heat.
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He's amazing. You're going to love it.
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He even does some tricks. Tricks are for kids.
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But not here, Not on Talk Box. That's right.
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Check him out. Here he is.
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You ready? Magic.
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Oh hey feet, I was just practising.
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How are you? Have a seat.
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I keep forgetting how tall you are.
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Were you always tall? I was taller.
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Ripley you. Shrunk.
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Yeah, I'm buttoning Benjamin Buttoning.
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Some people take growth pills, but you took shrinking pills.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly because. Oh my God, I was just.
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Always smashing my head on stuff like aeroplanes.
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Yeah, I was. I was as a baby.
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I wasn't that tall actually. But I've always, I've always
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been, yeah, I've always been a long boy.
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I feel bad you don't have a drink or anything.
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Do you want a drink? Can I have yours please?
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This is just coughing. I'm good, thanks.
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So what brings you here? Oh, I asked you to be on it.
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But other than that, what's going on right now?
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I'm doing. It's not an exciting answer.
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I'm doing a lot of corporate events at the moment.
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That's exciting, yeah. Corporate.
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Yeah. Have you heard of Commerce?
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Yeah, suits. Yeah, yeah, a lot of suits.
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But they pay the money, right? Yeah, yeah.
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That's that's kind of annoyingly, that's what pays the
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bills. What if you found out the
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company though they would like sell babies or something?
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Would you be against it? Would you still take the money?
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Who are? They selling them too.
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Underworld Kingpins. I think that it's hard to defend
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that, isn't it? Oh, no, I I don't get into that.
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Right. Yeah, we don't need to do that.
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Let's not care. Yeah, but no, I probably
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wouldn't. I wouldn't take that money.
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But I once got off, yeah, I got offered to do like a cigarette,
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a cigarette commercial and and the idea was making cigarettes
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cool for teenagers in Egypt and, and it was going to that.
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Was so cool it. Was pretty cool.
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I was supposed to be doing magic tricks with the cigarettes.
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Just like bad, isn't it? Yeah, and the kid, the teenagers
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were supposed to go. I never really thought about
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smoking, but this is cool. You've.
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Made me smoke. And so I didn't take that one,
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but yeah, that was that was the most clearly.
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Yeah, there's some that are very, you know.
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Yeah, almost every company's got something wrong with it in some
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way, I'm sure. But that was the most.
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If you research it enough, right?
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Yeah, yeah. So yeah, if you don't research
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it then it's fine. I don't want to know what you
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do, McDonald's. No, they're not there.
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They're fine. They're fine.
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McDonald's is great. You deserve a break today.
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So you've been doing corporate gigs and do you physically go to
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the corporation and. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean a lot, a lot of my, yeah, a lot of my income is literally
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like some law firm is having a networking drinks thing.
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Can you go and like mingle and show them some tricks?
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Like that's the that's I love, that is dullest, that's dullest
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that's. I'd love that stuff.
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Yeah. Because at first you just come
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in, right? And they just think you're a
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regular dude. But because of my hair length
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and general demeanour, I think they're like who the fuck?
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Pretend you work for the company.
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Yeah, sometimes they say stuff like that.
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It's always so cringe because they'll be like, oh, can you
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just like pretend it's like it's your first day and and then sort
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of. Ohh God.
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So yeah, yeah. And I just come in and.
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See, I'm a magician. And then it doesn't work either,
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'cause like he's OK. So you say that for one second
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and everyone's like, OK, whatever, who cares?
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So it's my first day and like, right?
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It's the magician. But then, like, the moment that
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you you start doing tricks, it's like, I guess he's, I guess he's
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a magician. Like, there's no, there's no
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like da da desire. It's like, yeah, all right.
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Also, he was lying. Earlier, or even worse if they
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still think you work. There, Yeah.
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And you're just a massive show off.
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Yeah, Yeah. It'd be like, put the cards
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away, mate, Have a drink. Yeah, Yeah.
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It's not all about you. Yeah, come on.
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Yeah, Sign your employment contract.
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And just just move on. Yeah, yeah.
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So that's fun. But then the more fun stuff I do
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is like the what? The kind of like more comedy
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allied stuff, like stage stuff where you know, where they've
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actually come to see you and yeah, and you've created a show
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which that that's. Do you like doing like, are you
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part of the bill with a lot of other comics?
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I've done that quite a lot. In fact, the first time I ever
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did. The first time I ever did that,
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it was it was on your night Folch Fest, right?
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Yes. And this was years ago.
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It's like got to be like 2011 or something.
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Just give background, I did a show called Folch Fest.
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Or was that rich vulture and his fucked up friends?
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You did that later, or at least maybe, Or at least I did do that
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as long as I did that afterwards.
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The first one I did was yeah, Folk trust in Kentish Town
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maybe. Yes, it was a the place was
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called the Bull. The bull and gate.
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And gate, great place, that. Was amazing.
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In fact, you know, I don't know if I told you this at the time,
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I already had tickets to go to see you in that show, right?
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Because I was, I was a big Bush fan.
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I had to get to see the show. And then I got, I got an e-mail
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from the producer Harry, who I'd never met, and he's going,
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someone's recommended you as a magician.
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We want to make it a bit more variety.
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Can you come to this thing? And I'm like, I'm there already.
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So he got in touch. He.
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Got in touch with me and I was already I was already coming
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anyway so I was like yeah, I can definitely be there because I'm
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going to be there so we. Had you milling about in the
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middle in the interval right at some point a little.
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Well, no, I think that was sort of just unofficial.
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I think I just just at the end, I hung around and we had drinks.
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I was just showing up. Yeah, but, but show up.
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Yeah, but, but no, I did. I did it like 10/10/20 minutes
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on stage with you guys. But like, but at the time that
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Bill was like insane because I was my.
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First it was. Like Stephen Merchant.
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Yeah, Kevin, Eldon, Alice, Life like everyone on the build.
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The fat Domino trio. Comedy hitters and PD.
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Yeah, and he's like, who's this guy actually went really well.
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I thought it went. Great.
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The shows were awesome. He was electric.
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Yeah, it was really good fun, wasn't.
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Yeah, yeah. And that was like my first time
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where I was like, right, I'm going to do this sort of comedy
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thing. I'd always, I always loved
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comedy and thought I wanted to do it, but that was the first
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proper one that I'd been a part of.
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And it was all downhill from there because the line up was
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fucking amazing. I've never asked you this, but
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how do comedians react towards magicians?
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Are they? Do they take you in as one of
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the brethren it? Varies, because you can be a bit
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like, dismissed as like in the same way a prop comic might be a
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bit like, oh, he's, he's cheating.
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He's got his gimmicks, right? Yeah.
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But some some people like, love magic and like, respect the
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craft. Yeah, they talk to you very
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earnestly about the yeah, slight of hand, and even that's a bit
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weird as well, But. But.
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Just going on like you. Yeah, but but yeah, I hate it
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when it's like, yeah, this sort of oh, you're a variety act and
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then that'll be the last thing they say to.
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But I mean, that's OK because they're often shit anyway, you
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know. And then you see them and you're
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like, well, like they were laughing a lot more myself.
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Yeah, Yeah. So I kind of I'm OK with that.
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That's your Dick. Yeah.
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But yeah, so or or often they are very nice and receptive.
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But I think because I do, I mean, you haven't seen me
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probably in years on stage, but I do a lot of like joke jokes
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now as well as just the tricks. Wait, you do jokes now?
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Yeah. Oh shit.
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Yeah, I'm a funny guy, yeah. But yeah, I mean, it used to be
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that any joke was kind of. I always thought you were funny.
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Well. Thank you.
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Yeah, but the jokes are sort of hinged around the tricks always,
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right? So it would be like this bit of
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procedure needs to happen for the magic trick.
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Write some sort of thing to say to make it a bit less boring
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while we're doing the procedure, whereas now I'll have jokes that
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exist separately. Real jokes.
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Actual big boy jokes, Yeah. So.
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So yeah. And so you do some hour shows.
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Yeah, right on. The fringe like solo shows like
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6 Times Now, maybe 6 times. Yeah, I remember when you wrote
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me once about the fringe. Yeah.
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Did you? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?
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Yeah, Yeah. You, you, in fact you very
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kindly gave me, he gave me an endorsement for my for my post.
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You know, you have quotes from comedians.
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You said Pete, he is the best magician I know.
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And I know 1 magician. Oh, which was amazing.
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That's pretty good. Yeah, it was really good.
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Yeah. I love that.
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But see that's the thing though, I only choose to know 1 magician
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and that's the best one I. Can see his food.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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Very. Good.
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I only know one harpsichordist. I only know 1 flautist.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah.
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You want one of the best What I? Appreciate.
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Yeah, you don't want a waste of flautist.
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Flaut, Yeah. Or is it flautist?
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There's a lot of debate raging even as we speak, yeah.
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How is it that, OK, I know how you work on jokes and stuff, you
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just try them out or you just talk in the mirror.
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How do you try out new tricks? Yeah, it can be quite scary.
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Like because. What do you do?
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You just start from scratch and go, OK, I've got a deck of
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cards, I'm going to do something with my fourth finger.
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Like how do you even begin to think of new?
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Yeah, it's, it's a good question.
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So there's like a couple of a couple of ways of doing it.
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It's a good. Question.
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It's a good. Question like there's a couple
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of ways. It's quite a weird thing to come
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up with because obviously it has to be impossible, which is like,
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well, how am I going to do that then?
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But yeah, so you come up with the.
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Because let me just just say one thing.
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Because it's the same with comedy, right?
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With magic, you start out, you kind of imitate your heroes or
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whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Right. So you don't really find your
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own voice until later. Is it the same with magic?
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Like I'm doing all of Houdini's tricks or like I'm just copying
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these and gradually the Pete Heed in me is coming out.
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Yeah, exactly, Exactly. Yeah.
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Like I used to basically be a sort of David Blaine clone when
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I started out, you know, just doing the kind of.
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Street magic. Yeah, slow St magic just kind of
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very. But like, that stuff was cool,
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man. And I really like direct and
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sort of there's a thing now it's changed, but very sort of
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mysterious like. That, yeah.
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Yeah, it was good, wasn't it? But yeah.
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But then, yeah, you start to find your own, yeah, your own
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voice. But also, yeah, it's just
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starting with an impossible premise like, oh, would it be
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cool if I don't know, whatever, if those glasses floated off the
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table or whatever it is, you know, and and then you've got to
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sort of work through. Some.
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Work. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's close there. And then you just got to work
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through. Well, obviously that can't
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actually happen. How can it look like that?
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It's going to happen what we got to, Yeah.
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What do we have to do? Yeah, yeah.
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Like, well, and like, and you think, well, maybe it's on a
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string and they think, well that would look really obviously be
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dangling around. People would see the string
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anywhere. You think, well, what if OK, if
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it was it had to be a string, maybe you'd change the lighting
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so you can't see it. Yeah, but then that would you
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know, and you gradually because I mean, that's, that's so you're
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that's still shit, but you'd like work your way through all
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the sort of OK, that's maybe we'll eliminate that as a
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method. That's that's the first thing
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anyone would think. So we won't go with that.
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We'll go with something completely different.
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So you're saying with a lot of tricks it's basically reverse
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engineering? Yeah, exactly so.
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You find out what you want to do, like I want to be nude on
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stage. Yes.
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Then you go, how can I get nude on stage?
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Well, like, OK, I've done that. Yeah, that's exactly, That was
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the first trick. Yeah.
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I did actually do basically a trick like that.
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Well, not nude completely, but you remember I did that thing
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where someone was colouring in a picture of me and I took my
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clothes off to reveal I was wearing like the pink pants and
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the yellow vest and all the colours that they chose.
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I don't actually remember that, but so and that's gone wrong
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before as well, which is hilariously embarrassing.
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Is it? I used to close my shows with
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this, with this sort of I take my basically take my clothes off
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and I'm wearing all the kind of underwear that matches their
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drawing, right? Does that make sense as a
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premier? So like, they've gone green
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socks, like they've chosen orange for the vest or whatever.
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And then I'm wearing all that stuff under my clothes.
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And yeah, but I've got to the end of the show before I started
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taking my clothes and then looked at the drawing and
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thought, fuck, that's completely wrong.
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And then you're just there in your pants on stage in front of
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a room full of paper. And then you're like.
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OK, that's my time. Then you have a fall back.
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No, I mean by that point, because it was the last show.
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It's so like, it's like the last trick of the show.
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It's so you've gone so far down that route.
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If you suddenly went, oh, but no, but there's an envelope with
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a different drawing and you know, it would just be like,
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that's not what you. Meant maybe they thought you
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were deliberately doing. I think so because it was so
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funny, like it's like was and because I think my style is
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quite shambolic. And all your other tricks
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worked. Yes, yeah, exactly.
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But often there's that sort of jokey, oh, it's gone wrong, but
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no, it hasn't. There's a twist because that's
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the kind of well established, well established probe in magic,
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isn't it? So I think people are like, oh,
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is that did that, you know, did that mental?
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So they're all talking. Yeah, yeah.
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So then at the end, yeah, they're like.
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Is he? Shit.
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Yeah, I think he's shit, Yeah. No, he's not.
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Yes, he is. Yeah, that's what you want then?
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That's what you want to leave, what you want to leave them
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with, Yeah. What do you think of that show,
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by the way, that Penn and Teller show?
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Yeah, yeah, I, I like it. I think it's quite.
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Where they sort of critique the magicians.
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And they do this sort of code to show that they understood it,
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but try not to give it away to the audience.
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But it's always really obvious code.
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It's always like, let me just say, first of all, you have a
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magnetic personality. And then you're like, oh, I
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wonder what he's saying. The method is there.
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Yeah. So I like the show, I think.
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It's your elasticity is amazing. Yes, yes, you had.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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So. So I think it's good, though.
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I think it's quite sort of respectful of the lame thing to
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say, quite respectful of magic, the way it's filmed.
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The reason I say that, like what I mean is magic is often like
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the butt of a joke, right? It's just quite a funny thing to
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make fun of magic. It's a bit.
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Ridiculous. Of course.
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Yeah, people Slough it off because they're scared of a
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scan, right They. Can't handle the magic.
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Yeah, but but also it is a bit it's often quite ridiculous.
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It quite it takes itself very seriously and ultimately you're
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kind of you're pretending you've got magic powers, which if you
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don't present that right, it just looks like who is this
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ridiculous man? Are we supposed to go?
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Oh, I guess you're magic then, you know, like what?
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How? What's the?
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Do you know what I'm saying? Like what's the sort of what's
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the desired the desired reaction?
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These people think you're magic. Yeah, I would think.
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Yeah, I mean, and that's lame, but.
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You don't present it like that, you just do the magic.
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It's up to them whether or not they think you're a magic
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person. That's their own head.
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And I do it in quite a sort of, hopefully quite a silly fun way,
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but but you still do get people going.
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How how old were you when you realised you had this gift?
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And you're like, I don't really know how to answer that.
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Like what gift, what the gift? Like what like mind reading?
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It's like like, but you don't want you equally don't want to
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go like no, you idiot. Like wrap them on the head like
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there is this. Sort of weird thing about
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magicians in that I know you were friends.
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If we went out for a drink or ate a meal, I would be treating
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you as a fellow human, but in the back of my mind, I'd be
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going. He's also a magician.
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He's up to something. He's no he can do.
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Things. Oh really?
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OK, you. Know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah. And it is funny, like if I,
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let's say, if I, if I pick something up off the table,
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people like people who know me like, oh, what's he, what's he
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doing? Yeah.
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What are you doing? Just like just grabbing the salt
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because I think I've got. I'm just eating.
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I've got like quite a practised way of moving my hands, so I
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think everything's just a bit magician.
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Y yeah, it's like in there IT crowd episode where she dates
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the guy that looks like a magician but isn't.
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Have you seen that? Ohh, yes, I love that.
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And and it's like, yeah, he just, he just acts like a
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magician and she can't handle it.
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So she tries to get him to learn magic.
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But yeah, so I think, I think I will.
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I do some magician stuff and people are like, oh, he's going
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to. This leads me to a question,
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what TV show or film do you think most accurately depicts
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magicians or magic? That is a fair oh, another good
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question. Good work.
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I haven't even thought of this, it just came out of my head.
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So like a like a drama rather than an actual magic.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to think. Remember that Colombo where
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there were the magician? Colombo with the Magician.
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I don't think somebody murdered somebody in the middle of his
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act. Oh, right.
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Nice. And Colombo caught on to it.
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Oh. Nice that guy.
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One more question. When you were going to the, you
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were in the trunk, you know, and then he figured it out.
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I haven't seen that one, but yeah, that's a there's a whole
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genre. That was my Colombo is.
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That is a good There's a whole genre my.
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Wife. Yeah, There's a whole genre of
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like detective sort of programmes where it's got
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magician as detective, where it's like the magician using
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their magic skills to supposedly solve.
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In fact, there's that thing, the mentalist.
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Have you seen that? Yes.
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Where it's like, yeah, often they do like the films about
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magic. It's really sort of romanticised
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to the point where where people, but people really sort of
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believe like, you know, the prestige, it's got all this sort
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of voice over of like a magic trick has three parts.
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It's the something and the turn and the prestige and the
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prestige and and you get people saying stuff like that to me.
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And I'm like, that's not a real thing.
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Like, Oh yeah, but but for the where's the prestige of this
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trick? And it's like, that's not that's
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not a thing. That's Hollywood.
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Hey, can I call you prestige? They're always saying it,
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following me around. Where did they get that then?
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I. Think, I think just some writer
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made-up some maybe it is in, maybe it is in some weird old
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book and they went they took it as gospel like, oh, this is what
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magicians say because. Maybe it's from Presto?
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No, I don't know. It could be there's a TV.
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I don't know if I I won't say anything about this except that
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it exists. There's a TV show being made at
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the moment about Siegfried and Roy.
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Do you know those guys? Or yeah.
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So the the they made. They're German, right?
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Yeah, they're both. They're both.
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Both of them are dead. Yeah, one of them got mauled by
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A tag. Yeah, yeah.
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And they were both. Obviously like his head was.
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Not not ideal, but there's a. You can cut this part out,
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Kenny, or show it no. There's a there's a Apple TV I'm
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making an 8 part series about about their story and it's like
19:27
it's a really interesting story actually.
19:28
And I'm consulting on it. I'm are you?
19:30
Yeah. Yeah.
19:31
So I was going to ask. You should be a consultant.
19:34
I am. That was quick.
19:36
Well, did they do magic or did they do lion?
19:39
Tammy No. They did magic, yeah, so they'd
19:41
make the tigers appear and stuff.
19:42
But like the Siegfried who's played by Jude Law would, it was
19:46
really good with coins and nature brought me into sort of
19:49
teaching stuff. I don't think I'm allowed to say
19:50
anything else about it, but that's happening.
19:52
Was Jude good at it? He's.
19:54
Lovely. Yeah, I think we're still doing
19:55
more sessions. Consultant is like, that's
20:00
amazing because they're relying on you for information.
20:03
Yeah. And it's it's nice.
20:05
Do you? So you sit on the set, right?
20:08
And then they do a scene, they go.
20:09
Does that look right? Yeah, so, so far it's just been
20:12
around his house just going like doing a little rehearsal sort of
20:15
thing. So we haven't been, haven't
20:16
been. I don't think they've started
20:17
shooting yet, but. Yeah, that exactly.
20:18
Yeah. And you're watching back on the
20:19
monitor and go. Yeah, it would be more like this
20:22
or you do this sort of movement. Yeah.
20:24
So yeah, it's it's quite. You realise how much you know
20:27
when you're teaching something because I.
20:28
Totally forgot that Siegfried and Roy did magic.
20:32
Yeah, that was their whole. That was what they were.
20:34
So the the how did the lion stuff come into play?
20:38
He just wanted to make it bigger.
20:39
And so Roy was like really into animals and had I think he got.
20:44
Would like sexually. Yeah, no, I don't think so, but
20:48
I think he's. Now I'm going to watch.
20:50
It stuff with it's really, it's really.
20:54
It's a tiger. It's.
20:55
Really hot. I think he'd do stuff with with
20:59
Doves initially and at least the story is that that that he got,
21:04
he got this. Is too small.
21:05
Yeah, yeah. And he got a cheetah from
21:07
someone like a baby cheetah. And so we'd do these nightclub
21:10
acts and then they suddenly there'd be a cheater on stage
21:12
and everyone, what the fuck is going on?
21:14
And and that instantly like started making headlines and
21:17
they did this. What, like health and safety?
21:19
Things well well like. I think this is way before this
21:21
is like was. This in Germany.
21:23
But they travelled around the world so it was all over the
21:25
place. But they, they got invited when
21:26
they became a double act. They got invited to sort of
21:30
Grace Kelly's place in Monaco, you know, like Princess,
21:33
whatever that palaces or whatever where they, yeah, they,
21:36
they, they did this show for like the royalty and, you know,
21:39
all the kind of celebrities of the day.
21:42
It's a fucking cheater. Yeah, but like, apparently,
21:44
like, so I think either a cheetah or a tiger or something
21:47
jumped off the stage into the audience and they're panicking
21:50
because, like, they don't know, but they had to just pretend
21:53
this was normal. And it's this massive fucking
21:56
cats, like, walking through the audience, like, like, looks at,
21:58
you know, Princess, whatever. And like she strokes and like,
22:01
thinking this is all safe. And part of it it wasn't no,
22:04
like, dangerous fucking animal like, could have.
22:06
Yeah. And then and he walks off
22:08
through down the aisle and out of the room.
22:10
And but then the next day, all the headlines were like, this is
22:13
the most. Can you imagine this?
22:15
You've got to see these guys. So that's where they got a lot
22:19
of press. Yeah, yeah, because it was like
22:20
all the celebs. Don't bury the blood, will Posh
22:25
off. It's alright.
22:26
Yeah. Terrible accent.
22:28
No, it was perfect. Oh good.
22:30
Yeah, who plays the other one like?
22:32
So Drew Garfield. Oh, I think, yeah, he's one of
22:36
the Spider Man. You see him?
22:37
Yeah, I think so. He's brilliant.
22:39
So they've only so basically they've only they've announced
22:41
that they're making this thing. So I can definitely tell you
22:43
they're making it. I don't think I can really say
22:46
anything else about it, but but that's.
22:47
Amazing how many episodes? 8.
22:51
Yeah. So how long was the whole
22:52
consult? Are you still?
22:53
I've only done one session, Yes, but but it's like going moves
22:57
and then some other stuff. Let's.
22:58
Stay tuned. Yeah, Yeah, I can't.
23:00
When do you think they'll drop it?
23:02
I don't know. Actually, no.
23:04
Idea Guess no. Yeah, these things take a long
23:09
time to film, right? Yeah, I guess.
23:12
So yeah, wow, guess. It'd be next.
23:14
Year. You could do a Houdini one too,
23:17
right? Yeah.
23:18
I mean if they if they make one, I mean.
23:21
I mean you could get a reputation.
23:23
For yeah, you're doing that stuff.
23:24
Yeah. Yeah, I do.
23:25
I quite like consulting. I used to work on this show
23:27
called Tricked which is like a hidden camera prank show but but
23:31
with magic. It heard this, yeah.
23:33
It was ITV two. It was like.
23:35
I know all the ITV two shows. Well, check your fucking notes
23:41
because it existed, Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was good fun
23:44
because you just have this mad concept of like, because it was
23:47
all hidden camera. It was something magical would
23:50
happen, but without being framed as a magic trick.
23:53
And you just have people reacting like what the fuck just
23:54
happened there? And it was just quite good
23:57
'cause you could have the maddest concepts and no one's
24:00
really watching it with this kind of critical argue.
24:02
They don't. They don't know there's a magic
24:04
trick coming. So you can be switching things
24:06
in and out. You can be replacing the.
24:07
Yeah, yeah. Basically, you can do really,
24:09
like, cool stuff. And it would suddenly take them
24:11
by surprise. And you get to see people
24:13
thinking they were literally losing their brain, like,
24:16
because what is going on, you know?
24:18
Yeah, it was good. Yeah.
24:20
It's good fun. So this thing where you're a
24:21
consultant, like say you're on the set, like you go out to eat
24:26
with these, the actors and everything.
24:28
Well, do you ever just do magic in front of them?
24:31
So, so if it's consulting for an actor, yeah, you would like just
24:35
yeah, because they, they want to see something.
24:37
But when it's consulting with another magician, you're no, no,
24:40
you're very much like, no, he's the magician.
24:42
I'm just some guy because, you know, because even though you're
24:45
off camera at that point, they don't want to sort of ultimately
24:49
they're often the ones that have done the least work on the show
24:52
because because they just come in and shoot the trick and fuck
24:54
off and you've been working on it for months, but you don't.
24:57
Fuck you. Yeah, you don't want to.
24:59
You don't want to. They don't want everyone to know
25:01
that. But don't you think if I was an
25:03
actor on a show and you were a consultant, I'd be asking you to
25:07
do magic all the time? Wouldn't you have to say, like
25:10
Jude, come on, I'm off the clock.
25:13
Maybe. Luckily I quite enjoy doing it,
25:16
so that's all right. But yeah.
25:18
Yeah, Oh man, what a life. See, I feel bad about asking
25:23
you, but do you have a magic? Have a magic?
25:27
Do you have a magic? I have AI can do some you do
25:29
yeah, yeah, sure. So I by the way, the cards here
25:31
rich for those I didn't. Bring no listen I just brought
25:35
them just for a display. Yeah, yeah.
25:37
Look good. They look great.
25:39
Ace of hearts. Yeah.
25:41
Incredible. Yeah.
25:43
Should we try a couple of tricks?
25:45
We. Can do one for now and then
25:47
close with one. How's that?
25:49
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
25:50
All right, so let's try this. This might not even work.
25:52
We'll give it. A go?
25:54
Well, if it doesn't. Work.
25:55
Cut it out. We keep it in.
25:58
Imagine that you hand me a random card from there from that
26:02
pack, OK, and I put it in. My oh wait, can I change a?
26:06
Different one. Yeah.
26:07
Yeah. OK, perfect.
26:10
And I put it in my trouser pocket.
26:11
Right. That's gone, but what card was
26:13
it? Five of diamonds.
26:15
Are you sure? Yeah.
26:17
No, it was the eight of spades. So what was it, 5 of diamonds or
26:20
8 of spades? Up to you.
26:21
Five of diamonds? Sure.
26:22
Yeah. OK, because I do have a card in
26:24
my pocket. No effing way.
26:32
Five of diamonds. Yeah, what?
26:37
Get out of here now. It's not magic, it's witchcraft.
26:44
How did you know? Like, what if I'd sent another
26:47
card? Yeah, I.
26:48
Guess we'll never know, did you? Do that to Jude.
26:52
I haven't showed you that one. No, no.
26:55
Did you figure that this is the one I want to do for Rich?
26:59
No, I when I saw the cards there, I thought it would be
27:02
good to sort of use them without.
27:04
Using them. Wait, is this the card?
27:06
For my dad, it's actually it's no, it's Oh yeah, that would be
27:08
extra cool, but. It's like almost the no it's.
27:11
Yeah, this is what I put in at home, but yeah.
27:18
Let's just take a break. No, I think that's amazing.
27:24
Thank you. Yeah.
27:25
Now how do you feel when people are all amazed?
27:28
Yeah. I like if you really it would be
27:31
less, it wouldn't be great if you were like, yeah, OK.
27:36
And what else you know it's going to if there's no reaction
27:39
to this kind of no? I'll tell you something, in
27:41
another podcast, I think I talked about this, but have you
27:44
ever been to the Magic Castle? No, I haven't.
27:47
But we've briefly talked about that thing, but no, I haven't
27:49
been. OK, this is like I there are
27:53
these small rooms too, for comedy, I mean, for magic and
27:58
big rooms. And I, I watched one of the
28:00
smaller rooms, which is like, you know, close in magic and
28:04
stuff. And it was during the week and
28:08
there were magicians in the audience.
28:10
Oh yeah. And they were not amazed.
28:12
No, no, because they were kind of talking like.
28:16
Oh, very small, yeah. Yeah, so that's the worst
28:18
audience for a magician. No, it's no good.
28:21
Yeah, yeah, magicians, also magicians, I know it's a
28:24
stereotype, but they are very often a certain type of
28:27
personality, like quite, quite nerdy because they you have to
28:30
be to really focus and learn this stuff.
28:32
But also often quite a little socially awkward and using using
28:36
magic as a kind of crutch to kind of, I mean, I definitely
28:39
had a bit of that growing up as well.
28:41
But but what that means is they're quite weird in an
28:44
audience. Yeah, just like they.
28:46
Don't know. No emotion.
28:47
Yeah, yeah. Even just pretend, you know,
28:50
just go. Oh yeah.
28:52
So you think their emotions on stage are all patter?
28:56
And yeah, they figure it out. Like I have to do this at.
29:00
This point, people like it when you do this.
29:02
Yeah, sometimes. I mean, it's a sweeping
29:05
statement. There are some great.
29:06
There are some magicians who have great personalities and
29:07
they're funny and whatever, but. But often.
29:10
Yeah, as as often the ones in the audience, the ones that are
29:12
sort of the amateur, sort of like the hobby is to like, they
29:16
do it because they like the puzzles, the puzzle element of
29:19
it, Yes, Yes. And they're sort of sitting
29:21
there in the dark or often shuffling a pack of cards
29:23
loudly. You've got to go to your fucking
29:25
cards as well. Yeah.
29:26
But you need a coat and tie. Yeah, Yeah, I can.
29:29
Because I didn't have one, they had to give me one.
29:32
Yeah, it's weird. It's some weird.
29:34
Rule, but you get some really baggy weird thing.
29:36
Yeah, that has licence. That looks worse than what I
29:39
came in. Yeah, no, so I've not, I still
29:41
haven't been on my I'll. Tell you what, a member showed
29:46
me around because he was in the club, like, and he showed me to
29:51
the library downstairs, and he showed these big books.
29:55
And he goes, these are the vaudeville books that have all
29:59
the acts. And apparently what they would
30:01
do in the US, they'd divide the country into four parts.
30:05
And they'd have a big convention every year.
30:09
And they had, like, the magicians would have all these
30:13
tricks, right. And it's like.
30:14
Right. But you, you divide.
30:15
Yeah. Like, I'm on the East Coast.
30:17
I get to do the three rings. Yeah.
30:20
And then you do. The the newspaper.
30:22
Yeah, exactly you. Couldn't repeat somebody else's
30:25
joke. And that's what we swap in
30:27
summer or whatever. Yeah.
30:28
Wow, that's amazing. I've heard that a lot about sort
30:30
of old like the working men's clubs and things having, you
30:33
know, the sort of stock lines and jokes, you know, like those
30:38
guys. But you know, you know, when you
30:40
have like a like a, let's say in magic, the kind of canned sort
30:43
of stock joke would be stand up here just above the trapdoor.
30:47
You know, like there's no trapdoor.
30:48
It's just like a a shit joke. But but it would be like, OK, so
30:52
I'm, I'm doing trapdoor and blah, blah.
30:54
OK, You can say the joke about there's this like really lame
30:58
joke where it's like put your hand out and then they go, no,
31:00
the clean one. And then when they put the other
31:02
one out and they go, oh, I guess that was the clean one.
31:04
Yeah, Yeah. That's the first time.
31:06
The first time maybe, but, but can I use that?
31:08
You can use that, yeah. Yeah, no.
31:10
But so it's not just the the trick like they wouldn't just
31:14
put oh, and then you put your left hand here and then it's the
31:18
also a script. Yeah, yeah, it's like a.
31:20
Script. Yeah, it's a magician.
31:22
So it's a really weird thing in magic where So you know, in
31:24
comedy, if you came out, if someone came out and started
31:27
doing your material, you'd be like I'd.
31:29
Love it you'd. Love it.
31:31
And that's what I'm trying. I wouldn't have to do it.
31:34
Yeah. And then they pass you the fee.
31:36
No. No.
31:36
But you know, like, yeah, someone comes out and does all
31:39
of Michael Mcintyre's set. People would be like, emailing
31:42
him going, this guy's doing your set.
31:43
And he'd be furious, right? Rightfully so.
31:45
He's paid good money for those jokes.
31:47
But. Maybe, but a magician?
31:49
But magicians kind of just, it's really, it's really common for
31:53
them to just do whole Celtic the whole, the whole the trick, the,
31:56
the patter, the like, you know, the.
31:57
Wait, like so say somebody invents a trick and the patter.
32:02
Yeah, they wouldn't mind if somebody stole their patter.
32:06
Well, they know they well because there's a weird sort of
32:10
economy and magic where people invent tricks and sell them.
32:13
Let's so let's say say I've got this.
32:15
It's like a copyright or a. Trainer, Let's say I've got this
32:18
like 5 minutes set that I do a lot and I'm thinking this is
32:20
really, this is really strong. I think people would buy this.
32:24
I could just put it on a DVD on it, download whatever and sell
32:27
it as a thing to magicians and they'd go, great, I'll put that
32:30
in my set. And they would put it in fucking
32:32
wholesale. Like the the same lines,
32:34
everything. And there are people, the good
32:36
ones don't do that. They get, they come up with
32:38
their own tricks, their own jokes.
32:40
But because you can just take stuff in that way, sometimes
32:44
magicians don't really get that. Like you can't always do that.
32:47
So they'll just go. You'll you'll, you'll come up
32:49
with a trick, You're really proud of it.
32:50
And someone will go, oh, I love that opener you did.
32:52
Yeah. I can't wait to try that on
32:53
Friday. No, you fucking can't.
32:55
You are not. I'll slit your face.
32:57
I will slit your face. Yeah.
32:59
Yeah, yeah. And I've had that so many times
33:02
or just sort of asking you, but in this very.
33:04
Well, again, that's kind of the social, you know, not being able
33:09
to understand. Yeah.
33:11
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that might not
33:14
be ideal. Yeah.
33:16
A lot of comics started out doing magic.
33:19
Johnny Carson. Yeah, Johnny Carson, Steve
33:21
Martin. Didn't WC fields do magic?
33:24
He did. Yeah.
33:25
Yeah, he did. Well, I think some with the
33:27
juggling. Yeah, that's three that's.
33:29
Three people at least. Who else?
33:32
Stephen Fry loves magic like he did it as a kid.
33:34
I know he's hardly. Have you done magic for him?
33:36
I haven't done for Stephen Fry. I've got I do these like mad
33:40
celeb events every year where everyone's like this is stuff
33:43
for So I was in New York at Christmas last year for the.
33:46
New York. Yeah.
33:47
It was like, this is city. It is.
33:50
It actually is, Yeah. And it's big.
33:53
And I got a book for this thing, for this fundraiser, like a
33:56
charity fundraiser dinner. But like everyone that's like
33:59
Steven Spielberg and like I saw pictures of the Instagram did.
34:03
You do magic for. Yeah, he was so lovely.
34:05
And so his table was like, like there's such a name.
34:09
Dropping and here's Private Ryan.
34:12
There he is. Yeah.
34:14
Went down really well there. You go.
34:19
Yeah, I managed to avoid all that.
34:21
But yeah, he was great and really sort of, you know, warm
34:24
and responsive and whatever and and it's all like all around him
34:28
was like all these other like stars.
34:30
And then I go over to the next table and Carey Mulligan, the
34:34
the ACT, you know, the Hollywood act.
34:35
She so she hired me for to be there.
34:38
That's why I was there, because. Carey Oh, nice.
34:40
So she came over to the next table while I was mid trick and
34:43
she goes I think Steve, Stephen, I think Stephen just figured out
34:46
how you did it. And I'm like, OK.
34:48
And I was like, well, what did he say?
34:50
And she's like, he says, he says cameras.
34:52
No, he says you can pause time. OK, yeah, that's fine.
34:57
I'm all right back there. It's good, Like.
34:59
But yeah. Oh, Steven.
35:01
Oh, Steven. Just stick to movies.
35:05
But yeah. So I'm getting the feeling that
35:09
celebrities like to know magicians because it's pretty
35:13
cool. It's a weird thing, isn't that?
35:15
Yeah. Magician.
35:16
Yeah, people sort of collect you a bit.
35:18
I think maybe they're like, yeah, I've got this magician.
35:21
Hey, come over here and see Pete.
35:22
Yeah, yeah, this is Pete. Yeah.
35:24
Go see my magician. It's that sort of feel to it.
35:26
Some task. Yeah.
35:27
But that's yeah. Like when?
35:29
Harry Hill, wait. Here we go.
35:32
But you know when, you know when plane was coming up, he the
35:35
reason, one reason he got that special was he was like friends
35:38
with, I can't remember what they called him, like DiCaprio.
35:41
Pussy. Pussy.
35:41
Do you remember those? Yeah, DiCaprio.
35:44
The first Spider man, Who was that?
35:47
Yeah, I don't know. Tobey Maguire.
35:49
Thanks, Kenny. And there was like, was it
35:51
Robert Downey Junior or something, or one of those?
35:53
So one of those, yeah. Yeah.
35:54
And so because because DiCaprio had agreed to be in, especially
35:57
if he made it, that's like a way more interesting proposition for
36:00
the networks to be there. Yeah.
36:03
But yeah, So there's always this, that kind of thing.
36:05
I wonder if it's as well. It's because, like, it takes the
36:09
heat off them for a second. So say you're at this dinner and
36:11
everyone's going. So, Stephen, tell me about.
36:13
Yeah, Yeah. And then suddenly there's like
36:14
this thing going on and they. Can just talk to the magician.
36:17
OK, I don't. Want to talk to you?
36:18
I want to eat my meal. Yeah, that's probably a bit of
36:21
that. They don't.
36:22
After a while it's just short and it's like, so where did you
36:26
get magician? Just talk to the fucking
36:29
magician. What about Blaine?
36:32
What's his deal? How did he get start?
36:35
I mean, I want to know how you got started, but do you think
36:38
you had similar beginnings? I So I got started, Yeah, I got
36:43
started as a kid just finding it like a cool hobby.
36:46
My uncle, my uncle does magic and he'd show us some tricks at
36:48
Christmas. And I was like, this is amazing.
36:50
And I kind of just kept, kept going, but then I, I sort of
36:53
stopped doing it for a bit because I thought, you know,
36:56
like you just become very aware of how magic is proceeded.
36:59
You wanted to have a girlfriend? Yeah, yeah.
37:01
I didn't want to be like that guy who like buying my little
37:03
spinning bow tie and playing card out a jacket or whatever.
37:07
And, and but then Blaine came along and I was like 96, maybe
37:09
97, I can't remember. And he had this special that
37:11
came out. So cool it.
37:12
Was like, well, this is different.
37:14
Like magic's like maybe cool. Can I be can I be a cool guy?
37:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and yeah, and that really.
37:20
Is so cool, yeah. Yeah, he's like, obviously a
37:23
strange guy, but he like, he plays up to that, like that kind
37:26
of deadpan. Hey, can I show you something?
37:30
OK, Yeah. I'm in the shower.
37:35
Yeah. So, But the thing about it was
37:38
he would do magic for anybody. I'd love the fact that he would
37:41
go to like prisons. Yeah, he's actually and just out
37:44
into like the projects in like, you know, in Brooklyn or
37:47
whatever it was and like, yeah, yeah.
37:50
And it was just, it was cool and interesting and it wasn't like
37:53
at all sort of showbiz cheese, you know, it was, it was like,
37:57
this is just a guy that does this stuff like, yeah, so and
38:00
and that that really kind of made me see it in a different
38:02
way. So what did Blaine do for you?
38:04
Did it make you feel like I'm going to change my magic to be
38:08
less showy and more real? Well, mine, yeah.
38:13
Talk. Rich.
38:14
Yeah, sorry. Was I interrupting you?
38:18
No, I was. Talking too much?
38:20
No, I was making fun of the fact that.
38:22
I was talking. I see, I see.
38:24
I'm. Excited.
38:26
Me too, yeah. I don't think I was ever.
38:30
I was never keen on this sort of glitzy showbiz stuff.
38:33
Like I was a skateboarder at the time and in like listening to
38:36
hip hop and skateboarding so the magic didn't.
38:38
Really. I was the coolest guy in town,
38:40
but the magic didn't really my catapult in my back pocket like,
38:44
but the the magic didn't really fit with that.
38:47
When magic was all sort of Paul Daniels sequins and whatever.
38:51
But suddenly it was like, oh, this is kind of this can this
38:54
can all work together. I don't have to be a weird magic
38:57
guy. Yeah.
38:59
Epiphany. A lot of this is similar to
39:02
comedy, right? Because well, I think in comedy
39:06
happened a lot earlier, but in the 70s comedy was still about
39:11
joke, joke, joke, joke. And then they started to do
39:14
observational comedy and it started to get a bit more cool.
39:18
Like Steve Martin I remember was pretty cool like.
39:22
Yeah, he was a bit sort of surreal.
39:25
Yeah. I remember in his book that
39:28
Bourne standing up, we read that.
39:29
Yes, good book, isn't it? But he talks about how he was
39:31
basically all hippies and amber jewellery and stuff, and he
39:33
deliberately kind of rebranded to like to a suit.
39:35
Yeah, Yeah. To like, not be.
39:37
Because to be weird in a suit, it's like, oh, that?
39:41
I don't know what that person is.
39:43
Where's this guy? Yeah.
39:44
This white suit. Yeah.
39:45
With his leg. Yeah.
39:46
Yeah. So I would think in magic, magic
39:49
was kind of like vaudeville, kind of like, yeah, yeah.
39:52
And hey, here's my assistant. Will they still do that, David?
39:57
Copperfield. Yeah, but he's, he's getting on,
39:59
isn't he? Yeah, yeah.
40:08
The But then it's David Blaine brought it back around.
40:13
Too. Yeah.
40:14
And it was just like, it was. It was.
40:17
Yeah. I mean, it suddenly felt like
40:19
this, this new thing. And it was like, this is great.
40:21
I love this and I love watching it.
40:23
I love the Magicians talk a lot about how one really interesting
40:27
thing the directors of that show did, it was all single camera
40:30
and and rather than making it all about the magic, they show
40:33
the trick. But then it was all about the
40:34
reactions and they would stay on the reaction.
40:36
They'd have people running off down the road.
40:38
They stay on it. They were not cutting away.
40:39
People are starting and then eventually the people is like
40:42
losing their mind a bit, just going like, but and then just
40:45
the camera's just right on their face just like capture that
40:47
like. You like the camera work?
40:49
Well, I mean, it, it presented, it made it more like this isn't
40:53
just about, oh, the joke has changed into the Jack of space,
40:55
because that's kind of cool for a second.
40:57
But yeah. But they were like, look at
40:58
these people. They're having like, this
41:00
existential crisis. Isn't that interesting?
41:02
He was having an effect on people.
41:04
Yeah, yeah. And it made it way more, I guess
41:06
human and, and like, and like, yeah, I guess it is mad that
41:09
that's happened actually now, you know, like they, they made,
41:11
they kind of, they, they, they turned the camera the other way
41:15
a bit, basically. It's like just showing the
41:17
preacher but not the congregants in the pews going oh Lord.
41:25
Exactly like that. Yeah.
41:26
Yeah. You're all about the
41:28
congregants, aren't you? And you're always, you're always
41:30
happy. Yeah.
41:31
No, but you want to see the effect it has on other people.
41:34
Exactly. Yeah, that was that was the sort
41:36
of kind of interesting. Yeah, I think that that was a
41:38
real, it's just clever and intelligent thing to do.
41:41
It's quite obvious in retrospect.
41:43
But like, just go, you know, look at this.
41:44
Look at these people freaking out.
41:46
But then it's like a certain power when you see everybody
41:50
freaking out and you just sort of are casual about it.
41:53
Like, yeah, I did that. Yeah, yeah, I guess I did do
41:56
that. Yeah, yeah.
41:57
I always find it quite, quite hard sometimes to to just suck
42:01
up the reaction I like because I'm I'm not a very show busy
42:05
yeah guy. So I'm always a bit like.
42:07
Yeah, that's good. I think that's good for your
42:10
line of. Work yeah, I I think it probably
42:12
has worked quite well for me, but it.
42:13
But it can be quite awkward sometimes because because
42:17
they're sort of looking at you like wow, that was amazing but
42:20
assuming it went well, right and then you're like, what'd you do?
42:24
Yeah, pretty much, you know, but equally you don't want to be
42:26
like, thank you, Sir. I thought you were cool 2
42:30
seconds ago and now you're a little weird shy freak.
42:33
It's gone wrong with you. Yeah.
42:35
Yeah. So it's a strange, it's a
42:36
strange thing, but it goes back to that.
42:38
What? What do you want the audience to
42:40
think when you do these tricks? Which it's like, do I want them
42:43
to think I'm a superhuman? No, I don't want that.
42:46
But equally, equally I do like that they are questioning
42:49
reality for a second. That's cool.
42:51
You know, I don't mean with that fibre diamonds trick, that was a
42:54
quite a small little thing. But some tricks you do go.
42:57
Is reality even a thing? Yeah, yeah.
43:00
No, you're a Family Guy, right? I'm a Family Guy.
43:03
Yeah, yeah. So what does your family think
43:06
when you do Matt? Is it kind of like just don't do
43:09
magic in front? Of us, no.
43:11
Luckily what was my immediate family.
43:13
So I've got a wife and two kids and they're lovely.
43:15
Like my wife's really supportive.
43:16
She gets it. She's there.
43:18
But will you try out a new trick in front?
43:20
Yeah, she's great. Yeah, and I'll try.
43:24
And actually, if a trick gets a good reaction from Alex, I know
43:26
it's a good trick because she's singing it fucking all.
43:29
So I might do a trick and she'll do that.
43:31
And I'm like, she knows exactly how it works.
43:34
But sometimes she'll, yeah, it's passed the Alex test and it's
43:38
like, that's a good one that's going in.
43:40
And the kids are really sweet. They're really because they're
43:42
young enough to not be too eye rolly.
43:45
Yeah, you know what I mean? It's not like, put the fucking
43:47
cards away. Yeah, it's what it's like.
43:48
They're really sweet and so proud of me, which is lovely,
43:51
you know, like. That'll go away.
43:53
Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it will.
43:54
Yeah. But at the moment, I'm loving,
43:56
I'm loving that. But my, my parents were always
43:59
very, it's not that they're not supportive of me, but they, they
44:03
kind of didn't get it. Like like magic, magic.
44:05
Oh, yeah. Because you had you had law
44:06
school. How much do you make in magic?
44:09
Yeah. And, and I think obviously that
44:11
comes from a place of being supportive.
44:13
They think they're being supported by going get a real
44:15
job in the city with wearing a suit.
44:17
And I'm like, that would make me want to die.
44:19
You need to work for the government.
44:22
Yeah, yeah. Get a regular paycheck.
44:25
Yeah, with dental insurance. Exactly.
44:29
Magicians don't have dental insurance.
44:33
They don't. Sorry.
44:34
No, no, That's them. That's.
44:35
Probably not their accent. It's not exactly no pretty
44:38
class, but no. But obviously, yeah, like I say,
44:41
it's not, it's not coming from a bad place.
44:43
It's coming from a. They want me to please.
44:45
Of course. They think that by.
44:46
Giving you the negatives, we've scared them.
44:50
And then in a way, in a way for parents, you said, well, at
44:54
least I've said my piece. Yeah, yeah.
44:57
So if he goes and fucks it all up.
45:00
I did say. Yeah, I did, I told.
45:02
Them. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
45:03
Which is like you've done your due diligence as a parent.
45:05
Your teeth are falling out. Yeah, I.
45:08
Told you. Oh man, that was what was that?
45:11
I'm handing me a tooth pack. Oh OK, I thought it was a card.
45:16
No, it's just some very bad toothpaste.
45:18
No, I would go like. This would you?
45:20
Is that more? Yeah.
45:21
What kind is that? A molar, though.
45:22
It's a molar. Yeah, mine was a canine, so
45:24
that's why it was smaller, yeah. So what, Kenny?
45:33
I tell. Them.
45:33
No, I tell them to give me a signal and then I still go.
45:37
What? OK, Like, that's not cool.
45:39
He could have just said it. I'm supposed to look at it and
45:42
incorporate it into the pod? Yeah.
45:44
Are you saying we have 10 minutes?
45:46
Domain ditch this guy. He asked for 10.
45:48
All right, OK. Yeah, Pete, I do have some
45:52
questions. There's a segment in the show.
45:54
I'm sure you've seen the pod. I have, I've heard I was saying,
45:57
but yeah, it's. Called Oh, you just heard it.
46:00
Yeah, yeah, you. Can watch this and hear it by
46:03
the way people on YouTube. Yeah, yeah.
46:08
No, you can't just say this. Yeah.
46:10
Anyway. Do you listen to a lot of
46:12
podcasts? I listen to a couple.
46:14
I listen to this one. I listen.
46:16
I mean everyone. You don't need to suck up.
46:19
I do. I do listen to this.
46:20
Yeah, I do listen to this one. That's great.
46:21
Yeah, Thank you. I listen to everyone else in the
46:24
world. Listen to this as well.
46:25
Listen to the Off Menu podcast. Oh, cowboy.
46:28
Yeah, that's good. It is.
46:30
I admit it. It's funny.
46:32
I admit it. Yeah, it's great.
46:35
It's. Yeah.
46:36
But yeah, just a few different. Things.
46:38
So this is called, this segment's called fill in the
46:40
blank. Yes, don't think, just answer
46:43
it. OK, The Best Song about magic is
46:48
blank. Fuck all I can the only song I
46:55
can think of with magic in is Could it be magic That's.
46:59
Not bad, but I I was thinking of that Ho ho.
47:03
Ho magic. Yeah, sometimes when I'm.
47:05
No ho ho, never believe it's not so.
47:10
Yeah, that's probably the best one actually.
47:12
Sometimes when I do corporate sets or whatever like stage sets
47:15
and they they'll put on some shit music like that to into as
47:17
I'm walking. On stage medley.
47:19
Yeah, but like as I'm coming up the stage and it's like, you
47:20
know, you need it's, it's bad. You need some energy, you know,
47:23
you know, like in comedy, because I had like whatever, but
47:25
I don't know what that was, but but yeah, that one.
47:31
But yeah, when you have some sort of drippy 70s magic shit,
47:35
it doesn't really hype the crowd.
47:36
Some advice, you need some set music you just give them.
47:40
Yeah, I should, but I can't. That seems a bit professional.
47:43
My thing. Yeah, maybe I should.
47:45
Blank and blank are the most important skills in magic.
47:50
These are all magic based blank blank sentences.
47:53
Most of them. Blank and blank are the most
47:56
important skills in magic, so I'm just going to I'm just going
47:59
to answer that honestly rather than try and be funny.
48:04
Oh, you don't have to be funny. No, Well, I'm, I'm struggling.
48:09
OK, naturalness and misdirection.
48:16
By naturalness I mean being able to deliver something like it's
48:21
your actual personality and like you're actually.
48:24
I get it. Yeah, I get it.
48:25
Yeah, not like and we have here a clue and it's like, who is
48:29
this fucking That's. Old.
48:30
School, yeah, yeah, yeah. But lots of that's really a lot
48:32
of people can't let go of. That and misdirection's got to
48:35
be probably the most. Important.
48:37
Yeah, it's huge and some people are amazing at it.
48:40
I'm obviously hopefully all right at it.
48:42
But people can take some. I know people that can take your
48:45
tie, your belt, your cufflinks, your watch off you, and you
48:48
wouldn't have noticed that. Yeah, it's absolutely insane
48:51
just because you're busy. Watching.
48:52
I don't know how they do it. Yeah, I get my best blanks in
48:56
the shower. That's not magic related.
49:00
It's not necessarily. I do get ideas in the shower so.
49:04
Me too. Yeah, yeah.
49:05
Did you ever get ideas in your dreams?
49:08
Yes, sometimes. I woke up with them with an idea
49:11
for a magic trick, and I got so excited when I woke up.
49:14
Like, this is amazing. And it was fucking terrible.
49:18
Yeah, yeah. As I've got this trick, it's
49:19
going in the dream. It was like.
49:20
Giant tiger. You know, it was rubbish.
49:23
It was like, yeah, I won't even say it because it's just this
49:26
little, this drivel. It's just like absolute
49:27
nonsense. And I woke up like, yeah, So
49:28
what It was I was like, oh, shit, yeah, back to sleep.
49:32
I thought you were going to say it because I've done this.
49:34
You write it down and then it's illegible.
49:36
In the morning once I had, I thought I'd come up with a joke
49:40
in my sleep and I did exactly. I woke up myself up in the
49:43
middle of the middle of the night, like got my phone.
49:44
I'm like, it's glaring and I'm typing, trying to write this
49:47
thing down, go back to sleep. And in the morning I woke up and
49:50
I was like, oh, I had that. I had a joke.
49:51
I think I look at my notes and it just says 12 is Presley.
49:59
That's amazing. It's pretty funny, to be fair.
50:02
And you have eggs, like 12 eggs. Maybe, but no, 12 is 12 is
50:06
Presley. Oh yeah, yeah, OK, that's not as
50:09
good, but. You could, you could have, Yeah,
50:10
sorry. You could have 12 eggs.
50:12
It could be 12 eggs, Presley. I like it.
50:15
It's. Pretty good, but nobody steal
50:17
that. That's my yeah.
50:19
The most overrated trick is blank.
50:24
That's a good one. That's overrated.
50:26
There's a lot of thought that went.
50:28
Into I can tell, I don't know what do people rate?
50:30
What are the big tricks like? Making a big thing disappear?
50:35
Oh yeah, isn't that overrated though?
50:37
I mean, it's pretty good. I what I like about that, I like
50:40
the big picture thinking I like instead of going right.
50:42
How do I make this coin disappear again?
50:43
What about we make the fucking Statue of Liberty disappear?
50:45
It's like Copperfield. Yeah.
50:47
I mean, that's just just even attempting that.
50:50
That's a pretty. I admire the balls to try that
50:53
green. Screen No.
50:56
I mean, I do. Do you know the method?
50:58
I won't say that it's actually it's quite.
51:01
It's an interesting method, but what's overrated?
51:05
I don't know. I can't think.
51:06
I can't think what's rated, never mind overrated, but
51:08
there's one. But like one thing that people
51:10
always think you're going to do and make jokes about is pulling
51:12
a rabbit out of a hat. I've never in my whole life, not
51:15
only have I never seen a magician do that, I've never
51:18
seen a video of a magician doing it really.
51:20
But like you see it in a sitcom where there was a magician
51:23
character and they've just cut, you know, like used used editing
51:26
to make. I've never seen a real life
51:28
magician in a video or in. Real.
51:30
You know where you see. It where?
51:32
Did you ever see Frosty the Snowman?
51:35
In the beginning? There's a magician and there's a
51:38
rabbit that comes out of the hat, and then the hat winds up
51:41
on Frosty because it's a magic hat.
51:43
Right. Is that a cartoon though?
51:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what I'm saying.
51:47
Found. Out.
51:50
Blank is the magician I most want to be like.
51:54
I think we already discussed this.
51:55
Yeah, David. Well, David playing it in a way.
51:57
But no, he's not. I wouldn't want to.
51:59
I think he's his own thing and I'm happy for him to be that.
52:01
I tell you who I think is brilliant.
52:04
Derren Brown. Have you ever seen a stage?
52:05
Yes, yeah. So I haven't seen him live.
52:08
So on TV he's brilliant anyway because the tricks are really
52:11
strong and creepy, but he also has that sort of quite dark,
52:13
edgy, sort of creepy thing going on.
52:15
Whereas on stage it's a bit lighter and he's really funny
52:19
and like warm and sort of naturally, like he's just really
52:22
sharp and smart and you just think this is a, this is a
52:24
clever man. That was strong.
52:26
I'll tell you what's going to be strong this next trick.
52:29
Is it? Yeah.
52:30
You're going to do that? Yeah.
52:31
OK. Would you like him?
52:33
I could give you. I could give you a magic power.
52:36
Then you can you can do a trick. Do you want, do you want to
52:38
give, should I give you one of my minor magic power?
52:40
Yeah. Yeah.
52:40
I can't give you a major one because I don't want the
52:42
competition, but because I was, I was making a list of potential
52:46
potential magic powers I could give you.
52:48
Right. Let me show you what I'm talking
52:49
about. So I've got a list of earlier, a
52:52
list of superpowers in my notes. They're numbered.
52:54
So we've got things like ability to tell between butter and I
52:58
can't believe it's not butter. Yeah, yeah, but with close to
53:02
50% accuracy. So we've got ability to predict
53:07
the past, isn't it? Like, so you can't get the
53:10
lottery numbers, but you could get last week's.
53:11
So it's not nothing. It's not nothing.
53:15
Invisibility light. So it's like, it's like
53:17
invisibility, but we just reduce your opacity slightly so you can
53:21
still see. We can still see you, but like,
53:23
but you don't have any issue with sliding doors, which is a
53:28
big problem for the invisible community.
53:29
Isn't that right, Sir? Hello.
53:31
Yeah, right. Welcome.
53:35
Do you want ability to tell which cat is the bigger of two
53:39
cats just by looking and asking a couple of questions?
53:44
But it is a guess. Any baby's name, but always in a
53:46
creepy way. Basically they're all all
53:48
numbered and all. I like it.
53:50
Can I actually? So how many have we got that we
53:52
got 50 if we got exactly 50? Could you 28?
53:58
Oh yeah, you know, you know where I'm going over.
53:59
This. No, I just thought you need a
54:01
number. I do need a number.
54:02
Yeah, Yeah. 28. OK, I'm going to.
54:04
I'll let you do the scrolling so you can fact get if you Scroll
54:07
down. But don't.
54:08
Don't. Yeah, don't say in fact.
54:10
Yeah, you can say it. No, you can say it.
54:11
Yeah. What's 20?
54:12
8 Ability to manifest Kiwi. Fruit.
54:15
OK, so you can make a Kiwi fruit appear then, right?
54:18
Oh my God. Jesus Christ.
54:21
Oh, you mother effort. That's useful.
54:25
You can just do that now. Yeah.
54:31
So that's a little skill that you've got now.
54:34
Yeah, You can take that with you anytime.
54:35
You thank you, Pete. You're welcome, Andy.
54:38
I'm glad I came away with something.
54:41
Yeah, exactly. You're welcome.
54:44
Anything you'd like to plug? You know, I don't have anything
54:47
that exciting coming up, but you can follow me on Instagram at
54:49
Pete Heat or you can book me for your event, I guess.
54:54
Your corporate event. Yeah, no.
54:56
No, we're a non corporate event. Or non corporate event?
54:58
Yeah, absolutely. What?
54:59
If there's some rich guy or woman with a big backyard.
55:03
Woman, thank you. With a big backyard.
55:05
Yeah. Yeah.
55:06
They want to hire me. Absolutely.
55:07
Yeah. Get me involved, but no.
55:08
Yeah, if you follow me on Instagram or wherever, then I I
55:12
let you know when I'm doing shows.
55:14
Basically. That's the thing you can do.
55:15
Thanks, Pete. All the best.
55:17
Do you want to see one more trick before I go?
55:18
Yes. OK.
55:19
Do you want to either of you, and this is old school, but do
55:21
either of you have a banknote on you like?
55:24
We don't carry cash because we get mugged all the time.
55:27
OK, No, Fair enough. I can see.
55:30
I can see that. No.
55:32
OK, you know what? We're not doing that trick.
55:34
Forget it. Or maybe I'll give you 1 and I
55:36
pretend it's yours. That's less.
55:37
It's more about the jeopardy of the OR what's going to happen to
55:40
the cash. That's good if it's mine.
55:41
I had a 10 yesterday. Well, that's no.
55:43
Good. Good to me.
55:45
Should we just pretend that you. Yeah.
55:47
Yeah. OK.
55:50
What's that, 20? Oh, twenty.
55:52
Put that away and I'll ask you again.
56:00
Smooth. Do you either of you have a
56:03
banknote on you? No, sorry, no, no, I think I've
56:09
got a 20. Here.
56:11
Oh yeah. OK, You know, before we do this,
56:13
can you if I give you a pen, can you sign your name on it?
56:19
Where? Anywhere.
56:20
Anywhere that shows up to make it kind.
56:21
Of no, no, the Queen's. Face.
56:23
No, no, No way. That's illegal.
56:28
OK, We've got rich on a 25 neck. Yeah.
56:31
Where's the camera? Is it?
56:32
There we go. OK, thank.
56:36
You this is a real no. It is a real neck.
56:39
So this is rich and I'm going to make you rich.
56:42
Good little a little line here. You folded it.
56:46
Yeah, as you fold it. I don't know if you can see this
56:48
well in there. As you fold it, so I've done
56:50
this. Do you know what's happening?
56:52
As you fold it, it starts to get the paper starts to kind of
56:55
change colour slightly. Do you see this?
56:58
And so suddenly that is 50 pounder and you see your name.
57:02
No. And you see your name.
57:04
There, I didn't. Think so, Yeah, No, it's mine.
57:07
So yeah, that's that's. That's amazing.
57:10
Thank. You.
57:11
Thank you. I just do it where it's upside
57:13
down. You know, but you do get you do
57:17
get your money back. This might be this might be a
57:20
big do I review. I don't know why you would.
57:24
Do either of you have a knife on you?
57:27
I imagine you don't. Yeah.
57:28
Do you actually have one? No.
57:30
No, no, actually, I think. I think I do some.
57:34
Sorry, no hold. On here, right?
57:36
You're used to playing tougher crowds.
57:39
Yeah, I am South London if I just.
57:43
You're cutting out my Kiwi. Cutting up your Kiwi, Sorry
57:46
about that, but look. Shit, A20 No Evan way can I take
57:56
this out? Yeah.
57:56
Of course. Are you out of your mind?
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That's the same one. That is the exact same one.
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It is. Thanks.
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On that note, you are the devil and you must be banished.
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Thank you, Pete. Thank you.
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But see this man wherever he is. Yeah, come see.
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Me and ask for a Kiwi or maybe. Ask you.
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Yeah, Yeah. All right.
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Thank you. See you peace.
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Oh my God, I look at him not only as a human, but as a
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warlock now. And thank you for watching.
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If you like what you see, press subscribe.
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There's more of it. It's going to happen down the
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Pike every week. I think we drop on Wednesday,
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don't we, Kenny? Yes.
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So listen, as promised, I'm going to answer some questions
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that you guys had in the comments section.
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Mitch Samal asks, when are we going to see Kenny?
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Well, none of your damn business, Mitch.
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We're going to see Kenny when we hit 10,000 subscribers.
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OK, I'm going to hold out who this Kenny is, and he's a good
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looker, but we're going to have a live show at 10,000 with a
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pizza party, and you're going to see Kenny.
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OK All right, Mitch, thanks. If you have any more questions,
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write them in YouTube. Have you heard of it?
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