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6-03-26 Hour 1 - Chris MacFarland hired by Nashville/Vegas feels like Team of Destiny/PSII's $5 million bonus · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Emoje.
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  Speaker 3: I know you know this man, Vic? Do you know
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  Speaker 3: who Mitch Hebberg is. Mitch Hedburg, comedian from back in
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  Speaker 3: the day. He had this joke and he goes, what
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  Speaker 3: I love about escalators is they can never break, they
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  Speaker 3: can only become stairs. And that's what I feel like
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  Speaker 3: Chris McFarland and Joe Sackick is like, you didn't lose
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  Speaker 3: necessarily your GM. You just reinserted Joe Sakic, who was
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  Speaker 3: already there and had the job, into the job. Joe
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  Speaker 3: Sakic was your stairs to Chris McFarland's escalator. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like there's some sort of like, let's think of it
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  Speaker 3: this way. If Joe Sakic was no longer in the
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  Speaker 3: organization and Chris McFarland makes this move, there's a panic, right,
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  Speaker 3: you just lost your GM. Somebody who's I know hasn't
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  Speaker 3: resulted in a cup, but I think done a pretty
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  Speaker 3: damn good job. And he left to take a gig elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Not because he was fired because he chose to Well,
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  Speaker 3: now what and if Sakic wasn't there, this is now
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  Speaker 3: a panic and I don't feel like anybody's panicked, and
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  Speaker 3: they shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 4: This is a not so secret move that took place.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard whispers of this for nearly a month. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe that's part of it too. You know you
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  Speaker 4: were prepared for something like this. Didn't come out of nowhere, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean most I don't know when this emanated. When
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  Speaker 4: when did they go seeking a GM in Nashville, Because
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  Speaker 4: as soon as it happened, his name came up.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we've known that Berry Trotz has been out for
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  Speaker 5: some time. He decided I'm gonna be done for quite
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  Speaker 5: a long time. So the gig has been open for
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  Speaker 5: a while now, I mean a long while before the
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  Speaker 5: season was even over.
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  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 5: I sit here, I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: gonna I'm not gonna go outside the franchise and tell you,
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  Speaker 5: hey man, some circumstances why we're not having this yet. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: So just chill out. You'll get it all eventually. You're
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  Speaker 5: gonna get it all. You're gonna get all the goods well,
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  Speaker 5: all the info you need, all the wants, all the
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  Speaker 5: hopes and dreams.
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  Speaker 3: It certainly makes a lot of sense now why there
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been a press conference. And I know there's been
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  Speaker 3: other things that the ownership group and everybody's been dealing with,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's you know, Claude Lemieu's funeral or arsenal stuff
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. You also aren't gonna have a press conference
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  Speaker 3: if you're GM's bouncing, that is correct.
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  Speaker 6: So so now that.
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  Speaker 3: That's taken care of, and according to all these reports
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  Speaker 3: that Bennar is coming back, I'm assuming we'll get an
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  Speaker 3: announcement pretty soon.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure we will. But if the guy, let me
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  Speaker 6: ask you this though, if a.
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  Speaker 5: Guy is under contract and he's your coach, do you
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  Speaker 5: need to announce to the world, by the way, he's
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  Speaker 5: still our coach?
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  Speaker 2: Well or no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm saying most is if they were going to
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  Speaker 6: fire him, or if.
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  Speaker 3: They knew that Chris McFarlane was leaving, they aren't having
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  Speaker 3: the press conference before those things are done.
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  Speaker 5: I dig I think what you're saying, But I don't
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  Speaker 5: think you need to announce to the world that, hey, uh,
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  Speaker 5: Nathan McKinnon's coming back.
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  Speaker 6: A little different circumstances a.
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  Speaker 5: Little bit, But the speculation comes from what the fan
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  Speaker 5: base and media, some of the f whatever. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you don't need to announce something that's.
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  Speaker 6: Already in place.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting thing about Bennar is that he's going into
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  Speaker 3: the final year of his contract. How many coaches have
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  Speaker 3: done that without an extension? That seems really odd in
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  Speaker 3: this sport.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't say it's common. Yeah, I mean, I Brett,
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  Speaker 5: how many have done that? Is that a rhetorical question
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  Speaker 5: or you want me to really look it up?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just curious if you if you know off
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  Speaker 3: the top of your head, you got to look it up.
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  Speaker 2: It just it's rare.
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  Speaker 6: I do not know off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: Most did, And I guess we could ask him. You
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  Speaker 2: could call him and ask him.
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  Speaker 4: Did McFarland have any connection to the city of Nashville
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  Speaker 4: or that part of the.
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  Speaker 6: Country, Not that I know of at all. I'm just killous.
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  Speaker 3: Did I see something yesterday or did I make this
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  Speaker 3: up in my head? That something closer to family? I
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  Speaker 3: thought I read the same thing. Did I make that up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you could be making it up.
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  Speaker 4: And I think if you're making it up. I thought
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  Speaker 4: I read the same thing from somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: No, you don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Look, oh here it is right here.
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  Speaker 3: It was in the statement We would like to think
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  Speaker 3: Chris for all he did for the Avalanche organization, this
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  Speaker 3: is Josh Croncky. Chris was instrumental in our success over
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  Speaker 3: the last decade and the key part of our twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty two Stanley Cup championship. This was an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: him to take on a bigger role with the Predators
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  Speaker 3: while being closer to his family.
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  Speaker 5: They're down in Florida, so it's a little bit. It's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit closer than Denver, Colorado is okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, but you got you guys are sniffing up
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  Speaker 5: all the wrong trees.
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  Speaker 2: You're white. I'm I'm just just wondering.
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  Speaker 6: You're like truffle pigs on you at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, power and money, money
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  Speaker 2: and power.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I look.
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  Speaker 4: You, I don't know why you're pretending it's it's it's
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  Speaker 4: a weird thing that a GM for a team that's
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  Speaker 4: pretty successful leaves and takes a job elsewhere without being fired.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's not a common occurrence usually.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but what we just saw it happened here on
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  Speaker 5: the basketball side recently.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a and we all said, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's not something that's typically done.
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  Speaker 5: Let me explain. For Chris, this is a huge promotion.
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  Speaker 2: It's huge.
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  Speaker 5: You're president and general manager of the Nashville Predators. You're
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  Speaker 5: the you're the guy that controls everything with the hockey
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  Speaker 5: operation side of things. It's a big, big deal for him.
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  Speaker 5: This is really awesome for him. I think it's great
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  Speaker 5: for him too.
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  Speaker 6: I'm right there with you. You're looking at me very
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  Speaker 6: curiously like you're weird, Like you're weirded out by what
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying this morning.
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  Speaker 4: I don't get I think he's trying to tell you
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  Speaker 4: money and power, power and money.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you're going, well, it's weird that he would.
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  Speaker 6: You know that a GM would.
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  Speaker 5: It's not weird when somebody offers you a much bigger
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  Speaker 5: role and a lot more bread.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like money? Yes? Do you like power?
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  Speaker 6: I have a little, I would like more. That's where
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  Speaker 6: you come in.
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  Speaker 2: What about power?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really interested in power, but what if the
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  Speaker 4: power leads to money? I've always told you Vic, I
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  Speaker 4: like the illusion of power, not the actual power.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, what if the power get you more money?
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  Speaker 6: This is money, me, me money, money.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is a guy who's got.
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  Speaker 5: A business card that says he's part owner.
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  Speaker 6: Of Lost Bad.
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  Speaker 5: And by part by part owner means he slipped him
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  Speaker 5: with twenty about three years ago and they bought a
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  Speaker 5: couple of glasses with it.
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  Speaker 6: Now he's part owner. Yep, okay, now, But my point
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  Speaker 6: is this, See, you might think that counts as being
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  Speaker 6: a patron.
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  Speaker 5: Not for me, right, I find your curiosity about things curious.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, to me, it all.
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  Speaker 3: Lays out very If George Peyton got the job as
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  Speaker 3: president of the Ravens and left to take it, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying that he would be wrong to take it
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  Speaker 3: or anything, or I'm just saying that's not a common occurrence.
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  Speaker 2: All that often is all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying that you're you have a successful team and
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  Speaker 3: a successful job that that guy leaves and goes elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not like, I'm not mad about this. I totally
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  Speaker 3: understand everything. But to say that this is a common occurrence,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's true at all.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's unique. That's all I'm saying. It's a unique.
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  Speaker 4: Situation, especially because if they were to give him a
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  Speaker 4: job like this, they did just do this with the
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  Speaker 4: guy who's currently the president and Joe Zakik, and so
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  Speaker 4: they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Have a spot for it.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, So yeah, I'm not Look, all I'm saying is
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  Speaker 3: this is pretty unique that somebody's part of a really
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  Speaker 3: good organization who's doing a really good job and then
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  Speaker 3: leaves to another organization without being fired.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that's unique.
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  Speaker 6: Let me reiterate what.
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  Speaker 5: I said yesterday, and that is I know that Chris
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  Speaker 5: McFarlane was happy as a member of the Colorado Avalines
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  Speaker 5: for all these years. I know he's happy in his
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  Speaker 5: job right now. I know he loves the hockey club.
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  Speaker 5: I know all this to be true. The only way
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  Speaker 5: he ever does accept another position if it's almost one
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  Speaker 5: that you can't refuse.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, if I'll be the Nashville Don corleone, Hey, now, Brent, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: what come on down here? Run this old hockey club?
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  Speaker 2: Is this your Tennessee accent?
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  Speaker 4: Well, just my say, Nellie, can you ai the Godfather theme?
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  Speaker 4: But in with the Southern dr Yeah, with a southern
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  Speaker 4: sort of flare to it. Can we do AI that
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  Speaker 4: real quick?
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  Speaker 6: Does AI do that kind of thing? I'm sure they could. Wait.
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  Speaker 6: So you take the Godfather theme, Well, they can make
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  Speaker 6: Billy Jean to like a death metal song if they
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  Speaker 6: want to. I've seen that. Yeah, most bet.
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  Speaker 4: I'll ask you this if it's an offer you can't refuse.
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  Speaker 4: We've heard you countless times on this radio show say
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  Speaker 4: how many times you hate hate going to Winnipeg. If
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  Speaker 4: Winnipeg came to you and said we got you and
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  Speaker 4: we will double whatever those people give you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you a million loonies and tunis exactly right?
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  Speaker 2: Would you and the bear make the move to the peg?
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  Speaker 2: Yay or nay? Would you be a Winnipegian?
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, this is the honest tree. This is the honesty tree.
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  Speaker 4: Remember we've been here before.
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  Speaker 2: Would you do it? Yeah? Really ponder that one, most
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  Speaker 2: pond Yeah, go ahead?
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  Speaker 6: How much would it take? I don't know, vic, I
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  Speaker 6: just told you.
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  Speaker 4: If they doubled your income, no, because in Canada a
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  Speaker 4: lot of that's going anyway.
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  Speaker 6: No, a million loonies and toonies? All right, No, it's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Right here we go?
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  Speaker 4: They tripled your income and gave you whatever car.
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  Speaker 2: Of your choice.
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  Speaker 6: Fine, boy, he really sold him.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get at her. Wait a minute, what if that's
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  Speaker 2: how it happened.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I cut the music for a second. Here's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Nashville calls up McFarland. They're like, look, your head is
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  Speaker 3: pressed against the ceiling with the apps. That's as high
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  Speaker 3: as you're gonna go. They aren't doing anything with sec.
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  Speaker 3: We'll give you that job over here. And he goes, fine, Fine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, who knows, maybe that is outwent. What did
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  Speaker 4: you guys think though?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I listen, I want to see this congratulations
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  Speaker 5: to Chris. I mean I I think the whole franchise
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  Speaker 5: looks at it and goes, this is awesome for him.
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  Speaker 5: It's an awesome opportunity. It's a chance to grow and
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  Speaker 5: be the man there. I mean, why wouldn't you leap
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  Speaker 5: at that chance if they offered it to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's awesome for him. And you know what, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: the abs are still in fine position because Joe's there.
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  Speaker 6: Everything's everything's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's what I think is crazy, is Joe's gonna
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  Speaker 3: take over that. By the way, in that statement where
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  Speaker 3: they said Joe Sakkik will resume the general manager. Your
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  Speaker 3: duties for the foreseeable future. Foreseeable future is doing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of heavy lifting there, because foreseeable future could be
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  Speaker 3: three months, it could.
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  Speaker 2: Be a year. Sure, it could be three years, it.
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  Speaker 6: Could be three weeks. Like what is foreseeable?
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, Vic, do you recall when Joe Sakkik started
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  Speaker 5: working for the Colorado Avalanche working as a as a
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  Speaker 5: front office.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of guy.
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  Speaker 4: I heck, I remember when he sort of dabbled in
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  Speaker 4: it and just wanted to learn the business.
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  Speaker 6: That was twenty eleven, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know who's been who's been doing that too,
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  Speaker 5: sort of learning on the job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a former player who won a cup here.
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  Speaker 6: That's correct, Andrew Cogliano.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I don't know whether he would be a guy
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  Speaker 5: that they would like to groom for that role eventually.
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  Speaker 5: I have no idea. But here's what I do know.
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  Speaker 5: Coggs works hard, he has been. He's a smart guy.
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  Speaker 5: He's a very intent guy, serious.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, a guy. He's one of those guys, Vic.
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  Speaker 5: You know these guys, Brett, you know a guy who
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  Speaker 5: when he's a player, he almost is like.
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  Speaker 6: An extra coach in GM. You know, I mean, he's sure.
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  Speaker 6: He's the kind of guy that thinks a lot.
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  Speaker 4: He's also a guy who played in a playoff series
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  Speaker 4: with a broken neck.
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  Speaker 6: That is also correct broken neck.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, He's I'll tell you this much.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing I don't like is that his job
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  Speaker 3: title is our move from him, which I thought was
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  Speaker 3: one of the funniest titles in sports, which was a
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  Speaker 3: special assistant to the general Manager. Because it's just straight
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  Speaker 3: Dwight shrewd from the office. But I don't think you
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  Speaker 3: give that guy a job just as a favor. You're
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  Speaker 3: doing that with a purpose because you believe this guy
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  Speaker 3: could do something down the line from there. Now that
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  Speaker 3: this is probably way accelerated from what they were maybe
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  Speaker 3: initially planning, But if foreseeable future is you're now under
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  Speaker 3: Joe sakics Wing, You're gonna watch him do the day
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  Speaker 3: to day stuff of a GM and then eventually you
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  Speaker 3: take that over.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't hate the idea.
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  Speaker 6: If you believe that he's right for the job, sure
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  Speaker 6: that means just a little bit green.
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  Speaker 2: If you absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I have a feeling that they had a feeling for
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  Speaker 5: some time. Teams have sniffed around Chris before. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 5: he was an assistant, they sniffed around Chris. He's a
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  Speaker 5: bright guy, works hard, has a good hockey mind. I
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  Speaker 5: think did a great job. Yes, loves the game, passionate
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  Speaker 5: about the game.
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  Speaker 3: Would you guys have guessed a month ago if I
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  Speaker 3: told you, guys how the season would end for the Avs,
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  Speaker 3: that the person leaving would be McFarland in that Bednar
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  Speaker 3: in a scenario.
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  Speaker 4: Like this, Well, that was the question I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: ask you. If you had to guess there was a
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  Speaker 4: shake up involved, would this be the shakeup.
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  Speaker 3: I would have assumed, coach, Not that I would have
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  Speaker 3: agreed with it, but if you told me there's a
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  Speaker 3: move that was going to be made, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: first of all, in sports, it's the easiest one to
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  Speaker 3: go to.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, you guys, failed, coach must have doad something stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, get out.
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  Speaker 4: As for coach, you know where I've come on anybody
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  Speaker 4: who listens to this show, I've said I, under no
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  Speaker 4: circumstances did I ever advocate or want them to touch
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  Speaker 4: Jared Bednar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's coming back.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's something to that Vic that I want to
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  Speaker 3: get to in just a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to know.
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  Speaker 4: Coming back is one thing, but mos as you well know,
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  Speaker 4: there's coming back and then there's hey.
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  Speaker 2: I'm back.
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  Speaker 3: There's two different facts, right, So we'll get to that
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  Speaker 3: in just a second. Three h three five four nine
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  Speaker 3: to two five back after this. All right, So here's
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  Speaker 3: the question. All indications pointing to Bednar coming back after
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  Speaker 3: the departure of Chris MacFarland to Nashville. What I think
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: about when it comes to Bednar is is a few things.
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  Speaker 3: If they wanted to fire the coach after the way
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  Speaker 3: the season ended, given the expectation and given the fact
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  Speaker 3: that moj I will I will go to my grave
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  Speaker 3: saying this that this year the best team in hockey
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  Speaker 3: was the Avs, but they didn't win the Cup. Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 3: It kind of furthers my theory, and maybe they think
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  Speaker 3: the same way I do that it wasn't some sort
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  Speaker 3: of fatal flaw within the coaching of the team. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a fatal flaw within the personnel of the team.
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  Speaker 3: That sweep against Vegas was just weird, and it was
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  Speaker 3: one of those just circumstantial things that everything that could
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  Speaker 3: go wrong did and it wasn't necessarily a referendum on
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  Speaker 3: what they didn't have more than just the circumstance of
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  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make it more digestible. No, But I know
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: where you're coming from. I'm watching this team last night
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: in game one of the Stanley Cup Finals, and even
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: when they trailed in the game, I said, just watch.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: They twirled twenty five seconds in Just watch.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: It's just it just feels like it's their year.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. Most you know, that fate,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: that fatalistic feeling.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Vikeet's the.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Esoteric space jam that gets into a team. There's no
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: way to quantify it. There's no way to tangibly reach
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: out and grab and see. This is exactly what Vegas
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: is going on right now. Eat this and you'll have
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: some of that too. It's this fuzz. It's the it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: the universal fuzz that it's impossible to explain. At the
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: same time, gentlemen, it's impossible to sit here on this
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: microphone or whenever Joe Sakick talks or coach Bednar or
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: anybody else. I mean, you always tweak, You always try
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: to massage and maneuver and make your team as good
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: as it can possibly be. And the fan base is passionate,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: and that's what's awesome. You've got passionate, passionate fans who
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: want to win, probably as bad as you do. But
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: it's very difficult to sit here and say to that
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: fan base, Man, they got the team, it just didn't happen.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear how
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: close you are. Nobody wants to hear what do I
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: call it, the margins. Nobody wants to hear how thin
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: the margins are on any given shift, any given period.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: But again, any team that wins the Stanley Cup, we'll
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: go back and look at all these different look I mean,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: look at the different games through a Stanley Cup run, Brett,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: and you think everything could have switched right there, but
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: it didn't. Well, and everything could have switched right there
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: but didn't. It could have switched right there but didn't.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's how it goes during the course of
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: a run.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: But this is what makes it odd. Nobody wants to
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: hear that, and I get it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: What makes it out is I'll tell you guys straight
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: up like that's I'm not saying this as some sort
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: of salve for losing and getting swept the way that
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you did. That's like sort of unacceptable with the team
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that you had. And we all kind of acknowledged that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's not some sort of excuse or whatever.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: But when you talk about and it's if this, if
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: this is what you truly believe, which I do, If
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: that series has played one hundred times it's the only
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: time the Avs get swept. Is that something you would
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: base major decisions off of.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: But you have to ask yourself too in those kind
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: of moments and then those kinds the games. Do the
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Avs need to change their personnel?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I think you never stop trying vic You never stop
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: trying to be better to match up against teams that
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: you're going to see down the road. You never stop
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: looking forward. Of course, you don't ever stop. You don't
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: just say all everything's just totally great because you lost.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Even when you win, even when you win a Stanley Cup,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: do you say, Wow, this team is perfect.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: No, it's not. You're always trying to improve the situation.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the bottom line.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Does that team Vegas, does that team have a Norris
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: finalist on its Ruster, Nope. Does it have a Vesna
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: finalist on a Truster, Nope? Does it have a heart
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: finalist on as Truster, Nope. But it's got a lot
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: of talent, veteran talent that's been there. So maybe I
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: don't know the proper way to assemble the team.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: They don't know, man, they just don't know this.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: They fired their frigging coach, bro This team was not
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: dead in the water, but they were treading water for
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: the entire season. You know, they hadn't beaten the playoff team.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: They hadn't beaten a team in the playoffs since December.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: They had a goalie with a two seven to one
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: and an eight nine to one start the postseason for them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Well, then, how do you explain it? I freaking can't.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to do.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Your job is to explain things on the radio.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Your job. Think about what your job is.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Your job is to walk in here on a morning
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: basis and take the unexplainable and make it coherent for
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: those who I'm telling you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: There's there's not a person on the planet could explain this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Ask Mark Stone, he's living it. What did he say
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Brett last night.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: No, what did he say about the vibe around his team? Now?
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: What did he say? He said something like we just
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: got energy now or something something.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: They're so confident, it's just flowing like flowing de Mosure's credit.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Do you know who else?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Can't really answer the question is it feels like the
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Avs again when Texta writes us in and this is
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, whatever, Stop making excuses for Bednar. I'm not
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: making excuses everybody, well not everybody, but a bunch of
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: people wanted, you know, Bednar's head on a spike after
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: the end of that season, saying.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: You know it's time, It's over. And the Avalanche as
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: an organization just came out and told you what.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I know what we're telling you, like, we didn't lose
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: belief in the coach. It was weird because if it
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: was any other conclusion than that, changes would have been
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: made and not ones of guys leaving to get promoted
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: somewhere else.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: These are very smart hockey.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Joe Sakkik is a two time Stanley Cup champion as
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: a player and one as an executive, and he is
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: one of the best players in the history of this game.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: A Hall of Famer, inside and out of a locker room, right.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: A dressing room.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: He knows what it takes to win. He knows why
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: teams lose. He knows all of these things. He knows
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: about coaching relationships, he knows about player relationships, he knows
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: about talent, he knows about lack of talent. He knows
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: about all these kinds of things. And nobody wants to
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: hear this. Everybody wants to solve a problem that very
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: much does not exist other than the fact that you
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: lost to Vegas in four straight and it sucks.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: What's interesting, though, what's interesting about this is Rhino. This
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: isn't the end of the question of changes. There's an
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: entire offseason where you're going to talk about personnel moves
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: maybe being the chain. And I'll tell you this, if
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you had the point to something, there was.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe the the easiest straw to grasp at for why
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the AVS season ended the way it did. Wouldn't it
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: be a lot easier to say your second line center
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: didn't show really, the whole playoffs didn't show down that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you can finish that with four points in thirteen playoff.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Games and a broken appendage, Well, I understand I'm dealing
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: with something, Moses, but.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: When you talk, I'm not at liberty to say, when
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: are we going to get all the information about broken press?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: The presser whenever they You just said something, So sorry,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: moj I didn't mean to squeeze it out of you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: But according to Mark Moser report this on Twitter. According
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: to Mark Moser down the chus Cain had a broken
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: body part.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of guys had a broken by by.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: That, I mean these guys were injured in some capacity.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I thought Landy was the one with the broken appendage.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Moje.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: Right, well he's got a dead guy. And if I
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: say you're broken, I don't think that's the appendagy waste.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: If I say I'm broke, I'm broken. I'm missing a
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: gallbladder and had a blown achilles.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But the point I'm making here, Mos, is just because
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you know Bednar's returning doesn't mean no changes are going
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: to be made. I'm sure there's going to be a
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: few of them this offseason because there's some guys that
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you can ask questions about. And look when you bring
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: up the injuries, and I know a bunch of guys
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: were injured and that's not something people want to hear either,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: because when Vegas and Carolina get done with this Stanley
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Cup final, they're gonna have the same laundry list of
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: guys dealing with X, Y and Z.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: All I'm saying is.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: The changes that could be made this offseason could be
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: more personnel wise. And I am always of the mind
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: when things go wrong within some sort of sports team,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: whether it's hockey, basketball, baseball, football, whatever, it's much easier
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to point to the player because they're the ones responsible.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: They're the one with the pucks on their stick, in
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the basketball in their hands and all that stuff. I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: can't make a goal for you. You're one on one
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: in front of the goal. You got to find a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: way to put it in the back of the net.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And in the case of what kind of the as
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: went through, everybody talks about bedna or and inability to
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: adjust against more physical teams. I'm like, I just watched
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: an entire first round series where they did not play
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: avalanche style hockey. I've played a physical brand against a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: team that called for it. And when we asked him
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: when he was on our show during that series, what
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: are you most proud of and he goes that they
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: stuck to the game plan and they were disciplined. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: then I heard Logan O'Connor after the series ended in
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Vegas go through the laundry list of things that went wrong,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and one of the things he mentioned was, well, we
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: got a little bit out of our game plan.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Did Carolina get out of its game plan last night?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: How did Vegas win that game?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: How did Vegas win? They scored five?
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So what what it was was the day?
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like they were out of their game plan.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Look when I look at what school was it? Oh
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the freaking hurdle goal that put him on top. He
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: beats his fifth goal, He beats his man out of
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: the corner. Okay, so when he beats his man out
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: of the corner and he gives the puck up to that, yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: maybe maybe today, Maybe today's the day. Maybe today's the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: day I just drop f bombs as far as the
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: eye can see.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Just go, dude, podcasts are doing it? Why not.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, mos, you've been remarkably almost too
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: calm after these losses.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: May let me let me. I'll just give you that
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: particular goal. You mean to break it down for you.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: He beats his man out of the corner as he
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: gives the puck to Stone, and when the defenceman loses
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: hurdle from the corner, there's no way he's going to
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: be able to catch up to that guy in the slot.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: And Stone, to hear his credit, makes.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: A perfect backhand touch past a hurdle in the slot.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Who rifles at home inside the far post.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So they they were really clutching the clutch.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. They were really clutching the clutch.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Their players have been clutch in the clutch.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: That is correct.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: And can you see the Avs had some players who
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: were not clutching the clutch?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I think the answer is yes.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Now, Mark Stone in the AVS series, that play, who
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: was it that Smith who gave it to Stone on
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the long pass over the top?
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Na the freaking clutch.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: It's a freaking dump truck, a freaking up truck made
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: a play that a Ferrari would make the goal.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I had goal by a hurdle in Game three against
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the ass.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: Do you want to clutch? Do you want me to
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: relive the entire series?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Victa morning clutching this man and they made.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: The plays like what what Vegas has right now better
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: than anybody else and has right the course of this postseason.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: And there is something to this man. It's it's magic.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: If you can have a slow heart beat, Okay, when.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: You need to make a play, Vegas makes a play
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: so big and that's a special quality.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Quantify clutch for me.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Slow heart beat, no panic, the ability to read and react.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: How do you get it?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Everything's in slow motion. You're in the flow zone. It's
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the same time. It's it's very much like when we're
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: playing golf. In one out of ten times you're in
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that flow zone, and then you're saying to yourself, why
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: can't I be here.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: All the time?
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I completely agree. I mean I'm watching the hurdle
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Gold again. When he beats the d out of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: corner off the boards, that guy's got no chance of
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: catching up to him, it still makes a perfect pass.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: You're right.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're playing really, they're playing really connected. Believe
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: in your I mean, believe every time you go to
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: the rink you're gonna win hockey. And it's it's something
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: that again I'm trying to tell you, it's not something
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: you can call to fight. It just happens during the
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: course of a Stanley Cup run.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: It just happened. What happened to Vegas last year and
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: the year before that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I mean.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: They didn't have Jack squad going forward. This team was
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: dead in the water.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Bro well the texture, says Ray Ferrara said in the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: broadcast last night. In the av series, Vegas won every
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: key moment. That was the difference and it certainly felt
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that way. When they had an opportunity to bury you,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: they buried you. And the Avs had plenty of those opportunities
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and we can count you know, the logan O'Connors off
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the post and rock Nelson off the crossbar, and a
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of different stuff that went on in that series.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: But Bradon McNabb lobs to.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Pass out perfectly on the money to Mark Stone, he's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: one on one, he buries it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: You had those moments you didn't.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Let's go back to twenty two real quick, and you
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: think about there's sixteen and four. What did Bennars say
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: in a sixteen and four run that people thought it
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: was what, Oh, it's just kind of a that was easy?
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but what did he say?
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: It wasn't I'm telling you you went sixteen and four
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: in the postseason, like the Nuggets did the following year.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: But in hockey, there's so many things during the course
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: of every single one of those games that could go
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: against you that went you're I mean that you made
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: happen your way.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Vic again with the Saint those Blues and that game six,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: the Abs were the better team and they were gonna
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: but if you go to game seven, you never know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you go to overtime in the game
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: seven year, but the Blues have got to be going.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: EJ brings the puck up and he fires at the
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: loc who fires it across the number one times it
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: off the half board. I mean, you're like, and the
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Blues like, you could do that again a million times
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: and it wouldn't go in.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: See what you're doing.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: You're becoming And this is why it's easier for me
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: to sleep on these things. You're becoming a fatalist. You're
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: becoming And when I say that, you're you're breaking down
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: certain sequences and like if you take the left turn
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: ear instead of the right turn, Victim, when you drive
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: into work, you hit a pothole, and you're always thinking
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: about what could happen, what has happened. And I'm telling you,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: as much as you're angry about not winning a Cup,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: when you think that way, it changes your perspective.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. I'm doing you right now.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Dude, because a fatalist, a fatalist would tell you that
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty five, eighty six that if the Denver
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Nuggets were healthy, the Vallex.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: English and Calvin Natan fat.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Lever were healthy, they would beat the Showtime Lakers and
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: they would win an NBA title under Doug Moule in
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: the eighties. That's what a fatalist will tell you. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: a fatalist will tell you that Carmelo's two thousands team,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: if they can inbound a ball, they will win that
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: series and they will win against Orlando in the finals,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: and that's two championships.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: I agree, Vick.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I'm just nobody wants to hear it. But sometimes you
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: just you lose. Sometimes the thing happens to a team
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: they find that fuzz.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: And look what Vegas is doing. Yeah, I mean, look
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: at look.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: At And I'm gonna boycott the city of Vegas as
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: long as Vegas.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Will be my guest.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big Vegas guy. All the things I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: was promised as a kid about Vegas ay not true.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: So tell their tourism board that they're going to suffer
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: in light of the Vegas.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I think they already are.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Second of all, I don't think they're worried about your
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: dough because you don't. You don't gamble. You're not that guy.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: You're not the whale from from you know, Minnetonka blows
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: is you know, frigging kids college fund at the blackjack table.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: You're not that guy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You're not that guy. Pal, We'll come back night.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I did an event with Patrick Certain and he was
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: He had a bunch of his teammates there to support him.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch Jalen Wattle play football. I
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: gotta tell you some of the convos.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those dudes this team right now. I haven't even
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: seen him play yet.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Thursday is it tomorrow that they have their open camp,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the first day of open camp. I haven't seen him
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: play yet, and I'm excited.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: There's something else with a Certain He gets this raise yesterday,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: very similar to the one Chris Harriscott.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Was it six years ago, seven years ago, something like that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: It's a good thing, it also could be a bad thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I'll explain next.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: All right, tell me Vic what you air? What's going on?
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: What's going on with PS? Two? What's your last night?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Well? I mean, I thought it was hilarious.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: A lot of us have these jobs where you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: you meet certain things, you get bonuses whatever. I've never
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I I met a man who just showed up to
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: work one morning and said, oh, they just gave me
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: a five million per year bonus just because just because
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I'm Patrick Surtan and I'm underpaid and deserving. So yesterday,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: if you missed it, Patrick Shirtan woke up and found
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: five million dollars under the tree and then five million
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: dollars next year in incentives. Because when they signed him
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: to that contract, the long term contract, they know they
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: got a bargain. And the Broncos are pretty upfront about it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: They're like, dude, there have been so many other dbs
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: that have signed after you, that are getting so much
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: more money, and you've outplayed most of them. We're going
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: to throw you some goodness. And that's exactly what they did.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: And he turns it into goodness. Last night he hosted
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: his PS two foundation much of his fellow teammates where
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: they're in attendance, and it's just good to see that translate.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: He cares about the community. He's a well spoken young man.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I really like Patrick Sirtan. I don't find any faults
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: with this guy at all. I saw Jayalen Wattle last night,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: did not recognize him because I see the pictures like
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: you do.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: He cut off his hair, so I was like, who
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: is that guy?
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and seeing him in person, he is He's more
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: of a tank.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Than you think. Stocky. Yeah, he's stocky.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I did not know that about him.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Like, remember how we talked about the difference between Marvin
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Mims and Jalen Wattle And if you have the same player,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: what are we doing?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Why you adding another player?
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I could tell you up close to personal, Jalen Wattles
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: built different.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Can I talk about the PS two race thing for
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: a second, because to my knowledge, this is the second
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: time this has happened in the last handful of years.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: But they did this with Chris Harris too.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the Chris Harris thing was a little bit different.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Because I think Chris Harris was a little wasn't he kind.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Of squeaky wheel?
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: He was a squeaky wheel, and so they threw some
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: money at him to sort of grease that wheel.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Pat just like, oh, well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Heng on.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: This is me trying to read between the lines on things.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So I might be off on this, but I'm trying
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: to get a read. This is what Tartan said at
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that event last night about who initiated the the the.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: Rays Elemis Sundals worked out mutually. I think we mutually
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: agreed on for you know, where things was hitting, for
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: the all so on. You know, everything was positive going
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: through those situations.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: So so just give me a second here.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Mutually is not.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Oh the broncos U said the goodness of their heart
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: came up to me and said, here, take some money.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Perhaps they got out ahead of what could have been
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a squeaky wheel situation and they were like, I'm not
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: going to have that hanging over our heads in camp.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna get.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: PS two if he's saying hey, and he has every
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: right to do this. By the way I looked it up,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the average per year values of the top paid corners
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: in the league. Trent McDuffie is at thirty one million,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner's at thirty, Stingley is at thirty, JC Horns
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: at twenty five, Jalen Ramsey's at twenty four point one,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and then it's certain at twenty four at the time agree.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: With you, I do too. Who wait, I disagree with you.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: We sign a contract. That's a contract.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: You shouldn't have a player come back and you and
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: say I want more.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Money on hang on, I agree.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I'm saying I understand where he's coming from, saying, well,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I'm better than that guy and that guy and that guy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is this, let me finish.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: I promise I will get you on board.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: The good thing is ownership. Good look for them, take
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: care of their players. Always good to have that. In
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: the past, the Broncos were not seen as an organization
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that does things like this, that maybe tried to nickel
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and dime a few guys.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So that's a good thing.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: But this is the benefit of signing the contract when
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: you do. Getting a deal done early is to avoid
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: this type of stuff. And if you remember at the
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: time when he signed for twenty four a year. I
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: think that was four million more than the next highest
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: paid corner, and now a year and a half later,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: it's seven million less than the highest paid here's the problem.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: He makes seven million dollars less than Trent McDuffie right now,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: even though he's the best corner in the league. That's
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: not the Broncos fault, correct, But the Broncos go, okay, well,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: here's a.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: Few million more with no strings attached. What's gonna stop? Potentially,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: I don't know a top edge rusher in the league
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: with fourteen sacks last year who signed his contract for
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: twenty six point five million dollars a year, And now
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: the highest paid guys Will Anderson, who's making how much
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: do you guys.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Know, I don't know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Fifty million dollars a year. Yeah. Nick Benito might look
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: at that and say, well, god, I think he's happy
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: with his deal.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Though, Hey, Moser, what are other owners?
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: If he keeps picking up fourteen to fifteen sacks a year,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: he ain't gonna be that happy with it. Most what
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: are other owners saying when they catch wind that the
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Broncos are just willingly two player?
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: What if the hell are you doing?
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Because no problem with the Broncos doing that because they
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: have then the money and the funds to do it correct.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: All right, if you have an ownership group, perhaps that
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: is at the top and can't I mean Cincinnati for example,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: it's much tougher to pull this off in different parts, right,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: It's much tougher, and so it puts these teams in situations.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: So I think it's a two prong thing that the
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: nugget the Broncos wanted to do right by their player,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: and it also sends a message to other players in
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Hey, the Broncos take care of you. You know it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: that is correct. But at the same time, you did
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: sign that contract, it was your turn. Then it's not
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: your t It was McDuffie's turn. After that, it was
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: all these guys turn after that. It ain't your turn yet?
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Or people play If this is okay and everybody's so happy, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: what about if.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: An athlete underplays this contract?
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Well, you get you ain't getting a refund from the player.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I can promise you that. Well, ain't no player going
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: to offer you a refund? Who was it?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: But most, but most hold on it's the right thing
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter you signed a contract.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the right thing to do, you know, publicly,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: theer's the right thing to do.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Well, the NFL does this plenty of times where they'll
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: just cut bait on somebody's not playing well.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: But here's the thing. Who was it? Who was the player?
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: In baseball?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: There was a guy I read about it one time,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: like fifty five how many years ago, vic where the
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: guy didn't perform to his contract and he tried to
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: give all the money back.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah I remember this.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, the owner wouldn't take it. I'll look it
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: up in a second. But here's what's funny. I'll make
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: it comparison to this.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Sir Tan is able to do this because he's cer Tan.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be wearing a Gould jacket one, I mean
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: if and he's the class of the league and you
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: don't have to worry about him, and he's not gonna
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: go out and do something stupid.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: He's the prototypical athlete.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: He's perfectly.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: I'll play this for you guys again. Listen again, DAWs
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: worked out mutually. I think you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: Know where things are hit and for all so on.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: You know, everything was positive going through those situations.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: So again trying to read between the lines here, mutually
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: means I had interest in approaching them about doing this too,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and I think ownership just didn't want the cloud of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: a potential training camp hold out from Cirtan going over
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: their heads.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: They're just like, here, fine, take it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: that would hold out anyway.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: It's just, hey, look, I'm the old They wouldn't they
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: wouldn't just do this out of the blue. Well, but
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: I'm the elite one. My deal is going to be
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: up in a couple of years. I'm gonna be asking
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: for X. Okay, let's just work a little something out
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: right now. And maybe on the back, I mean, who knows.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: But here's the comparison, exactly how the conversation went.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Here's the comparison I'd make, And this is where they
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: could find themselves in a pickle. Down the line somewhere
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Patzertan walks up and says that you go, okay, you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: plenty good. Go ahead, Nick Benito does that, Maybe maybe
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I consider that for you. Where's the line that you
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: draw with players? Because I'll give you this example. If
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Nathan McKinnon his contracts up, blank check for you. You write down,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the number will pay it. Hel mccarr's contracts up. Write down,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: the number, will pay it. Miko goes, where's my blank check?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: They're like, not quite, not quite blank's.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: It's a lot.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: We'll give you a lot. It ain't a blank check.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Though he thought he was in that category.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And if this is happening with certain certain's in that category,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: he is.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: What I'm that guy, pal, Absolutely, I'm that guy. What
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: if somebody that guy? What if somebody thinks they're that
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: guy and you're not that guy? Pal?
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: What happens that a lot of guys think they're that guy,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: but they ain't that guy.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well then you get situations where they bark and
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: they go from team to team. You know, somebody just
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: mentioned this on the text line, and you're so right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: If if a player wants to bet on himself with money,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: then just signed short deals, one year deals.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: You either want security or you want money.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Darrell Reeves did that every year exactly.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: That's the name.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I was about to bring up the Darrell Revus campaign
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: in the National Football League. Take a look at how
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: much money Drell Revus made over his career, and the
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: reason he was so profitable is because he bet on
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: himself with short term deals.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: He didn't take. He didn't take the cheese. I'm not
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: doing that too.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins was the franchise tag guy every single year.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: One year he pay me.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Now, there's a price to pay if you get hurt. Sure,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: there's a price to pay. Everyone feels different about that.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: It's just how much of a gambler are you? I'll
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: ask you guys personally, do you guys prefer security or
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: are you gonna bet on yourself?
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I guess that depends. I mean, it depends.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: There's no security in this job, so I'll always say
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: better myself.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: That's true, it doesn't really exist.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: But if he had the choice.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Nice warmth security blanket, good seven year security blanket to
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: keep you warm.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's something to be said for that, you know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: And this is why I just wonder, especially with Benito.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Think about this again. Sirtan is making seven less than
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the top paid guy, and he's like, that's a huge.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Number Benito's making at right now.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: For it will happened a year from now, right now,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: twenty three and a half million dollars less than the
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: top paid guy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, as any quarterback in the
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: league go have they gone? Have they gone to their
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: ownership group and go, hey, man, I want with Deshaun Watson. God,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I want two fifty guaranteed or two forty three guaranteed.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: But that wasn't the price of doing business. That was
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: so outside of.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that when you start to set precedents,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: guys will try to use that. But no quarterback has
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: done that because it's just such outside the.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Realm of reality.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: What's s would you have said, Novic if you're an
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: ownership if you're the the Walton Penner Group, and Cirtan's like, hey,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying this was going to happen, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: just hypothetically, he goes, if you guys don't get me
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: a raise, then I'm gonna sit out of camp.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: It depends on how the how the conversation went.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: If it's hey, if you don't get me, I'd be like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: we signed a contract.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: If it's a mutual conversation, as he just brought up, if.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: It's gonna benefit us both, it's gonna make you look
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: really good in the eyes of potential creations in your players,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: and for me, it gives me a little more financial
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: security to make me feel better about the contract eye sign.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: So if it's that kind of conversation, I'm fine. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: do have a problem with players saying, hey, i'll play
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: my contract, give me more money. You signed it, Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: because you know owners could easily and they do.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Some owners do.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I want to be fair some owners, especially in the
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: National Football League. Hey, you played like crap. We're paying
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: you way too much for playing like crap. See, you
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: can make moves in the NFL a lot easier than
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: you could say in the NBA.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Whatever, you pay a dude, you pay a dude. Oh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: I just was it gonna I just lost it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Ask me about my hair. No, it wasn't your hair.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Yep, I lost it. Very good radio by me.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Mouse was there last night. He had his entire group.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Good to see those guys support one another at their galas.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, two is so good too, Like, jeez, he is
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: such an unbelievable player.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: He just ruined this whole segment.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Moser, you would have been proud of me.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I went for seconds in the food line last night.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: It's the first time I've done a long time is
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: just make your own taco. Taco bar I thought he
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: was gonna say salad bar. I had to go for
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: seconds on the lettuce.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: I'm in line. It's a good thing. It's a good thing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: Jesse wasn't there.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: As I'm in line for seconds, I'm saying, Kay, this
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: is embarrassing. I'm actually going back in line. What would
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Moser do?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: He'd go a third time. He's not one up yet?
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: Not really, you ruined the whole segment. Man, Sometimes they
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: lose my train of thought, and I know, I understand
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: it happens.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: I had something I wanted to say, but you guys
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: had inter woven so many different things since that time.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: I forgot I got to run.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You forgot it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: So you ruined the segment to Yeah, but I'm not
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: throwing us to break and you're just sitting there going
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: to quote PS two.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: We mutually ruined the segment, then it's mutual.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: So three out, three, five, four h nine and two
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: five bag.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: After that, I went back for more tacos.