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WHEN LEGENDS LEAVE US: Reflections on Ozzy, Hulk, and the Rule of Three · the objective JERK

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: How you doing.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: You are listening to the Objective Jerk, and I am said jerk, how's everybody doing?
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Losing a lot of people, a lot of famous people.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: It's always in threes, right, can't really talk too loud.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: My wife's actually sleeping in the room.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: It's actually kind of late.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: I usually don't stay up this late, but it was just kind of doom scrolling, you know, before I go to sleep.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: And then actually my wife saw it.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: She's like oh, hogan died.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: You know I was like what, and you know you always got to verify because people always remember getting tricked that Jackie Chan had passed away years ago.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think people do it really anymore, but it was kind of a thing.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so you know Ozzy Hulk, and then the third, I guess I don't know.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't quite as big.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: So some people might argue what?
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Jamal Warner, was it a name?
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: I was on Cosby show and he was in lots of.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: He always had, you know, some parts in lots of, uh, different films and everything, and I would.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, that's okay from Cosby show.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Um, I don't know if he's kind of on the same level though.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of thinking there still might be someone that will pass to make it officially three, because I mean, you know, everybody knows who Ozzy is, everybody knows who Hulk is Not everybody knows who Malcolm, so-and-so.
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: So we'll see.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's crazy, it's in threes, it always happens in threes, right, isn't that weird?
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: Because it always does so, let's see.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know like it's, yeah, it's a bummer, I guess.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, they're older, they live their life.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: It's a part of life, you know.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh my gosh, it's so sad.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: Like you know, when somebody tragically passes through an accident, or you know what I mean at a younger age, it's a little more sad, you know.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: But Ozzy, we all knew it was coming.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of sad, but at the same time it's just, it's, dude, he had a, you know, he did his concert, two, what?
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: Weeks later?
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: And then he passed, you know, it was almost like it's almost like he was at his own funeral, you know, or something.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not, I'm not like, oh my God, that's so sad, it's crazy.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, if anything, it just makes me feel older or something, because Ozzy's been, I've known who Ozzy is my whole life.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Um, I remember, you know, bark at the Moon video and stuff as a kid and it kind of scared me and you know you hear the stories with the bat and what and so.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: And then you know I liked some of his stuff but you know I was more into Black Sabbath when I got older and everything.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: And then of course you know his resurgence, or whatever you want to call it, and when he had his show with his family and everything.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, you know he's always been there, he's always been around, you know, and same with like Hulk man.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: I remember him as a little kid watching some wrestling.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: I was, I was only into wrestling when I was a kid at this time, you know, at the peak of like Hulkamania I guess, um, and I remember watching it and I remember making like cardboard wrestling belts, championship belts with my cousin and stuff like that.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: You know like cardboard wrestling belts, championship belts with my cousin and stuff like that.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: You know, um, yeah, so I was kind of into that at that time, junkyard dog and you know, macho man and all that kind of stuff.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Um, I've talked about how I've always kind of I'm still like I keep tabs on wrestling but I don't watch it um, so yeah, it's just like.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: It's kind of weird when someone like that passes.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean there's different celebrities that pass and this and that, but there's the ones that just they've always been there, so it's like it's not.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I saw, I watched something man, what was it?
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: I watched something man, what was it?
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: I watched something where a guy was it on Rogan, I think they were actually talking, was that it Talking about?
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: Saw a clip talking about Ozzy and he said and this guy I don't know who it was actually and he said something like his or maybe his wife said it.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: That you know it's like.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: It's not like because it's a celebrity, you don't know them personally or nothing, so it doesn't really affect you the same way as if you lost someone personally, but it's almost like you're just there's no more.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: I think you said like vanilla ice cream.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: You know, all of a sudden, like all of a sudden, coca-cola's gone, like what Coke has always been here, what?
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: Now it's not here, that sucks.
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: You know blah, blah, blah, whatever.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: That's kind of.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: You know how it is when a celebrity that you know, maybe you cherish and enjoy and maybe you don't, you just they've always been there.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: You know who's the celebrity that's always been there.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: I don you know who's the celebrity that's always been there.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: There was a couple that was just like, oh wow, like I'm just waiting for Clint Eastwood.
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood's going to be like, oh no, I love Gene Hackman.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: Let me see who.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: I was going to look up and see there's, like you know, some famous people that, oh, it's a bummer.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: Look up and see there's, like you know, some famous people that, oh, it's a bummer.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I'm going to look this up real quick.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: Let's see, yeah, Malcolm Jamal Warren.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, so I was kind of right, but I don't think he he's on the same level.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: So I don't think he's on the same level.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's fair to say that you know three, the whole three thing.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's on the same level as Ozzy and Hulk.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: You know what the crap, dude, I don't need to go through.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: This is a little too in depth.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to give like an example of somebody who, oh, yeah, you know, you've always kind of known who they are, but oh, val Kilmer was cool.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, I guess, maybe he's kind of, maybe he for me, like I, you know, I know who the Beach Boys are.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: I was never.
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: I, I don't know, I'm not a fan, I'm not gonna try and lie.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pet Sounds, I've never, you know, um, I've always known who he was, but um, yeah, so it wasn't like oh man, but like Ozzy for sure, because I just, you know, I grew up with family who, you know, were fans of Sabbath or Ozzy and MTV, of course, and so you know, I was always around.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: And then when I got older, you know, I was more into Sabbath though I mean I still am, but that's yeah, okay, so there's lots of people.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't even know, well, that guy hasn't been around forever.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, michael Madsen, yeah, so he died not too long ago, that's right, I forgot about that.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's like I don't know, I've never been like.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: So he died not too long ago, that's right, I forgot about that.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's like I don't know, I've never been like, oh my gosh, I'm so tired, you know, like it really, I don't know.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: I think if there was one that was kind of like, oh man, that sucks, that's sad, or whatever, I guess you know the, the dude, and it wasn't like I wasn't sad, but it was heartbreaking.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: The um man, what was his name?
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: He was on the star trek movies, an actor.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: He got crushed by his car, like that's that's pretty sad, you know what I mean, and like that's like oh man, that sucks, you know, because just he was young and the way he went out and everything was just like gosh.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: So that's, that's that's heartbreaking.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: You know, ozzy passing away at 70, whatever, you know, everybody knew it was coming.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: It's not heartbreaking, I mean it's, you know it sucks, but we all die, so it's not like it's a huge, you know.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, I don't know, I just think it's it's kind of funny.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: Not funny, but I don't know if it's when people really get upset over it.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I grew up during the whole grunge area and I lived in Washington state, in Tacoma, um, which is pretty close to Seattle.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: I went to the high school I graduated from was the same high school that Jerry Cantrell graduated from, from Alice in Chains, and so I mean, you know when, when, when kurt cobain, you know, killed himself, it wasn't like, oh my god, it was just like, oh man, that sucks, you know, but it's, I don't know, maybe I'm weird.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Am I weird that it's not more, I guess, heartbreaking for me?
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've had loved ones, family members that, you know, is heartbreaking and hard losing a loved one, I mean.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: But with celebrities it's just weird, you know, because you feel like you know them because you see them on TV or you listen to them on whatever, and YouTube and magazines and pictures and all this stuff.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: They have no idea who you are, but you know who they are and so it's just kind of an odd thing.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: But I just, yeah, I think it's a little strange when people get really really upset over it.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know To me that kind of not to be a dick, but it kind of sounds like maybe you need some sort of help therapy-wise or something.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's mean to say, but it's like if I don't know.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I know I keep seeing these posts that say people that are infatuated with celebrities are usually not the brightest individuals.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not infatuated, but I'm not very smart either.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how much water that holds, but I don't know.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, again, it's a bummer.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, again, it's a bummer.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: You know, ozzy, it was kind of cool to be because, you know, eventually the whole rock and roll started in 55 and you know.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: So Elvis is gone and so you have all these individuals who were, who were, you know, the icons or the what is it?
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: The individuals that just developed a lot of what we use or love or whatever.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Case in point, ozzy and Sabbath and basically inventing heavy metal.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: You know, so we're still.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I was younger when heavy metal was still something kind of new and and, yeah, you know, the people that created it were still around.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: So it kind of was like there's like a little connection or whatever.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, you still have the other members, but they're getting old.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: You know, same with Zeppelin man, they're getting old.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: You know, pretty soon they're all going to be gone and it's just going to be like, oh man, yeah, black Sabbath, they were awesome, but they're.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: You know it's all just a memory, but they're, you know it's all just a memory.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: You know, right now at least, they're still around.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Like, I just watched that documentary on Netflix, becoming Led Zeppelin I think it's called, and I was excited for it Because I mean, again, I don't know, I'm not a geek about, you know much.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: There's like a couple things that I'm kind of a geek about, that I nerd out about or whatever Like I'm not like super passionate about.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love music, but there isn't like I love a bunch of music.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Like I don't just I'm not like a deadhead listening to nothing but Grateful Dead, or, you know, I listen to nothing but Led Zeppelin or whatever.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: I listen to all of it.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: So I go through moods where it's like I'll just listen to Led Zeppelin for you know, a week or two and then it'll change and it'll be something else or whatever I don't know.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: But but I am a fan fan, you know, and so I was excited about this documentary that's on Netflix that just released and I think I'm looking it up right now just to make sure but I think it's called Becoming Led Zeppelin and I was, I was excited for it because I, you know, I set my room a reminder and I was like, yeah, okay, okay, this will be cool, I want to watch this.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch no trailers or anything.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I usually don't watch any trailers because, I don't know, they seem to just ruin the movies now.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: They put too much information and I cannot find it right now with the crap.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Hold on a second.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Let's see, just look up Led on a second.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Let's see, just look up Led Zeppelin.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: There it is, yeah, becoming Led Zeppelin, okay.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: So basically it kind of goes over the history.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Now what's cool about it is so they have like current interviews, like recent interviews they did with all the surviving members, right.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Current interviews like recent interviews they did with all the surviving members, right.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: And then they have recordings of Bonzo or John Bonham that were supposedly previously unreleased, where it's like an interview that kind of goes along with the interviews with the surviving members, you know.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: So you know it starts off and it's the history on all the, all the members from childhood and their parents and you know all that kind of stuff which I think for the most part I already knew, but it was still kind of interesting to learn some of it.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: But you know, you learn about the, like I knew, um, jimmy Page was like a session player, same with John Paul Jones, and but it did kind of go in a little bit more detail about that which I liked.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't know that Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones played on the song Goldfinger for the 007, for the movie Goldfinger, goldfinger, like they, you know they played on that, you know.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of cool Stuff, like that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's pretty neat, you know, I didn't know that.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: And just, you know, learning some stuff you know about the writing of the album, I didn't realize that they made their first, recorded their first album, like after only knowing and being together as a band for like a month I didn't know that, which is kind of crazy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: But the documentary though was kind of it, didn't.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: It left me like it just, I don't know, I wanted more details and more information about, you know, the albums and the writing process and the recording process and maybe a little more information on you know, a little bit of their background, like they did a lot of their personal background up to a point and then it just nothing and it just the movie, or the movie kind of.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: There was like two, two songs that they kind of.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It was almost like watching a concert, a video, you know, concert of them live, which is cool.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: But I've seen you know that before and I would rather just like a short clip and then continue on with more information, you know.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: So it kind of just seemed like I think it started off good, but then it kind of was like that's it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, still, I enjoyed it and I'm glad it's there.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I'll probably watch it again, you know, in a couple months or something.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, I was just kind of hoping for a little bit more.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, did you guys watch it?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Do you know what's there?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah, so celebrities, you know, the whole celebrity thing is kind of, with social media and everything it's, celebrities are not what they used to be, you know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, so you have Ozzy and Hulkulk, right, but who is their contemporary equal?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Like there's no, there's no celebrities that are I don't know.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Like there's just there's nothing.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: You know they're all.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They're all just manufactured or fake or I don't know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Man, it's just weird, I don't know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just, you know, and a lot of it, I think, is I'm just getting old, trying to look at the camera more because I do watch these and I don't look at the camera more because I do watch these and I, I don't look at the camera.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So it's like I'm not looking at you, the person who's watching this.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And I need to do that more.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I need to look at this little green dot.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't put like a face or maybe like a picture of an attractive woman with cleavage and also a different look, but I don't know.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I just seemed to kind of stare off and talk.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But anyway, um, so I watched, so I ordered all the alien movies a while back and and it came.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It was like a little box set thing which included Romulus, the newest one, alien Romulus, which was a separate like it came with it, but it was not included with like the first six or five or whatever movies it is.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And so I watched it the other night with my family and I enjoyed it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Um it, you know, it was a little more like the first ones, more of a horror, lots of key jangling, kind of remember stuff.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You know, that's like little homages to the other films and stuff like that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And some of it worked.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Some of it was kind of annoying.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: That's my wife sleeping and coughing in the background.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: You, alright, you need water, okay.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But immediately watching the film, I was just kind of annoyed with the casting, like everybody in the film was like high school kids.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I mean they're not, but that's what it seemed like to me.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: You know everybody was it just and it didn't fit though to me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I mean I, you know, I understand it's like in the future and it's on some other planet and things are going to be different and some mining and all this kind of stuff, but like it, it just kind of it takes me out a little bit when it's just I don't know Like.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So the two main characters, the main female and the android, were fine, and even maybe the girl who was pregnant and the love interest of the main girl was fine.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But I think it would have been better for me personally if and I'm talking to people who have seen it if the asshole dude and the Asian girl if they were like older, like, instead of the guy being the brother to the love interest, if he was like an uncle who's a little bit older you know what I mean.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And same with the, with the, the asian woman being the pilot, like it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Just, it didn't fit and I was just like everybody's, like everybody's, like a kid, you know, and yes, I know I'm getting older, so people who are not kids look like kids to me.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I get that, but I don't know, I just think they could have.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's just, I don't know.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: But other than that, I liked a lot of the things that they did, a lot of different aspects or different.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm trying to say.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to give it away or whatever, but I enjoyed it overall.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I liked the alien at the end, though.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: It was creepy, definitely creepy, and it was different.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought I was kind of expecting that would happen in like a sequel.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I thought they were going to kind of, and then it would just leave like a little, you know, cliffhanger like, but they went through and did the whole thing, I don't know.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So I enjoyed it, you know, I think it's it's, I don't know, I like the Alien movies really, the other ones even.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I mean know, I like the Alien movies really, the other ones even.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean you have some characters that really do stupid things, but if you think about it, there's always someone that does something stupid, like in the first one, and I can, you know, say this, because I just watched it, because I bought the whole box set, but you know when, what's his name?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: The guy who gets the first face hugger and they want to bring him in, but Ripley's like no, no, we have to quarantine this and that, and then they let him in and do it, so they make the stupid mistake.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But then without the stupid mistake you wouldn't have the movie.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So that's just kind of the way it is.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And there's always that person that's just an idiot and makes dumb mistakes for the plot to continue, and that happens in kind of the way it is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And there's always that person that's just an idiot and makes dumb mistakes for the plot to continue.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And that happens in all of them, you know, but anyway, that's about it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, celebrities are dying.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: They go in threes.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think Malcolm Jamal Warner he quantifies as an A-list celebrity to be with the three?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of thinking someone else is going to go and then next week we're going to lose someone else.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Let's see if I'm right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Anyway, thanks for listening, thanks for hanging out, appreciate your time and God bless.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: All right, bye.