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NFL Conference Championship | DraftKings & FanDuel DFS Picks, Plays and Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go clear.
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  Speaker 2: You lift up.
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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone? Talleer Tamberline here aka to Tag and
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  Speaker 1: Tambo back for another edition of the NFL Playoff shows.
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  Speaker 1: This is the conference championship. It's in Denver and Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the Patriots at Denver the Rams at Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whop if we would have thought this
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  Speaker 1: would be the case at the start of the season.
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  Speaker 1: But as usual, Hoop is here with me. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be breaking down everything for the two game slate. We'll
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  Speaker 1: go position by position, talk, roster construction, ownership. We see
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  Speaker 1: things shaking out for these big slates. Two million makers
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  Speaker 1: out there on DraftKings as well. Hoopster, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Did you see this at the start of the season,
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  Speaker 1: Broncos and Seahawks hosting these games.
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  Speaker 3: It just got me thinking when you said that, it's
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  Speaker 3: like you think back, and that's I think the beauty
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  Speaker 3: of the NFL, Like how quickly teams are able to
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  Speaker 3: turn it around, like you have a good draft, like
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  Speaker 3: you can instantly get like right back into the game,
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  Speaker 3: and coaching changes and things like that go go a
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  Speaker 3: long way, and like no other sport, is it really
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  Speaker 3: possible I think to be so surprised. I guess at
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  Speaker 3: the end, I mean, you look at the AFC side,
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  Speaker 3: I think, very surprising on both sid No one would
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  Speaker 3: have guessed Patriots or Denver really really being here. You're
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  Speaker 3: thinking Bills, You're thinking Chiefs, that sort of thing. So
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  Speaker 3: some new blood here in those two teams. You go
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  Speaker 3: to the NFC. I guess maybe you could have made
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  Speaker 3: the case for the Rams a little bit, but I
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  Speaker 3: mean they're more of like a people probably had them
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  Speaker 3: pegged for, like a fringe playoff team. And then Seattle
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  Speaker 3: a complete surprise, great defense, Sam Darnold coming overlooking solid.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess the only team that I guess you
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  Speaker 3: could probably have made the case for early on in
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  Speaker 3: the season or before the season would.
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  Speaker 2: Have been the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: But the other three teams, you know, pretty surprising. And
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  Speaker 3: again it just goes to show the I guess, the
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  Speaker 3: parody in the NFL, the how quickly it is to
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  Speaker 3: turn things around, like you see it in baseball the time,
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  Speaker 3: certain teams that are just buried forever NBA say the
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  Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, teams are bad for a really
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  Speaker 3: long time. It's kind of impossible to turn it around.
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  Speaker 3: I really can't speak for the NHL because I don't
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  Speaker 3: follow the NHL at all, but NFL does a phenomenal
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  Speaker 3: job with giving the teams the ability to rebuild rather
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  Speaker 3: quickly two to three year process and right back in
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  Speaker 3: the game. And it's good for the sport. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: two good games and big prizes obviously for DFS.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love what you said there too. Like the
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  Speaker 1: one thing I like about it especially is like the
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  Speaker 1: buys and the one and done basically, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: the golf want and done like we have over at
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  Speaker 1: our friends with Splash Sports do a little marketing in
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  Speaker 1: there too, but just noting it in like baseball. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people hate on the Dodgers and all, I get it, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't do nothing about it. Just is the
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  Speaker 1: way it is. It makes a really good underdog story
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  Speaker 1: no matter who plays them. But it's really tough to
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  Speaker 1: beat someone in a series when their team is that strong,
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  Speaker 1: that good, that much depth, like all these different factors
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  Speaker 1: in all these other sports, that's typically what you're up
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  Speaker 1: against in football. You better show up for this one game.
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  Speaker 1: If Sam Darnold is seeing ghosts on Sunday, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get there in a minute. It could be a bad thing
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  Speaker 1: for those Seahawks after just winning forty one to six
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  Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, getting all the way here,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. The one most interesting thing, and
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  Speaker 1: i'll get your your Grand Scheme overview, is the the
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  Speaker 1: people are betting the Patriots and the lines moved to
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  Speaker 1: four and a half, so the reverse line movement four
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  Speaker 1: and a half now from five and a half. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people were saying at the start of the week, like,
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  Speaker 1: how are the Patriots only five and a half point
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  Speaker 1: favorites against Jared Stidham. No bone Nicks obviously the unfortunate
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  Speaker 1: injury for him, So give me your thoughts on that,
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  Speaker 1: and then the grand scheme overview before we hop into
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  Speaker 1: this slate.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely the big talking point kind of all week with
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  Speaker 3: bone Knicks very surprisingly getting injured knocked out for the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the playoffs. No one really saw it as
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  Speaker 3: the game was going on, and then shortly after the
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  Speaker 3: game ruled out for the rest of the playoffs. Broken
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  Speaker 3: ankled pretty wild. It's very important obviously for this week
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  Speaker 3: for DFS purposes, because a lot of times when you
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  Speaker 3: have a backup quarterback come in somewhat unknown backup quarterback
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  Speaker 3: is just automatically Okay, this team is done, like there's
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  Speaker 3: no way they can win. And I think that was
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  Speaker 3: the initial reaction. I don't know much about Stidham. I
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  Speaker 3: mean a little bit. I mean, I've done a little
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  Speaker 3: research on him, but it's hard to know because we
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  Speaker 3: really haven't seen him play in the NFL, so you
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  Speaker 3: don't know what you're getting. The coach speak is good,
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  Speaker 3: but obviously it has to be good. Like Sean Payton
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  Speaker 3: can't come out and say we're fucked now. Bo Nicks
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  Speaker 3: got hurt. He has to sell everyone on Stidham, and
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  Speaker 3: I get that. You know, the one thing that's definitely
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  Speaker 3: working his favor. He's been with this team for a while,
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  Speaker 3: like he's been with this team, I think three years.
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  Speaker 3: He knows the system. I think another thing working in
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  Speaker 3: his favor. And I don't know if it's like necessarily
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  Speaker 3: like a hot take or anything, but to me, bow
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  Speaker 3: Knicks has been decent. It's not like bow Knicks has
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  Speaker 3: been like super elite. He's had some good spots this year.
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  Speaker 3: He's had some really bad spots this year. The strength
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  Speaker 3: of this team is clearly their defense. The pressure they
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  Speaker 3: get on the quarterback. So the big question for that
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  Speaker 3: game is can stit them, like just not make a
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  Speaker 3: ton of mistakes, Like, can he be a serviceable quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Get the ball the guys he needs to, don't turn
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  Speaker 3: it over, you know, believe limit the nerves.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously it's going to be a nervous situation. But can
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  Speaker 2: he limit the nerves?
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  Speaker 3: I think Denver's totally live, you know, after all this,
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  Speaker 3: like just thinking through it, Like they have a very
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  Speaker 3: very good defense that's to strength of their team. Can
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  Speaker 3: they get after Drake may can stick them, limit the pressure,
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  Speaker 3: limit the nerves like I think he can. So I
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  Speaker 3: think Denver's live in this game mostly though I mean
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  Speaker 3: it obviously could go the other way where they get
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  Speaker 3: their ass kicked like that can happen anytime. But I
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  Speaker 3: think Denver's relatively live for DFS purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Stidham is forty five hundred. You know.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing, though, wist it and we'll get into
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  Speaker 3: it more as we go throughout this show is when
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  Speaker 3: you play the pricing is terrible again and I bitch
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  Speaker 3: about it all the time. We bitch about it all
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  Speaker 3: the time. If you play Stidham, your team is going
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  Speaker 3: to look very similar to what a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: people got it are.
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  Speaker 2: Going to do.
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  Speaker 3: So when you play his hit, when you play teams
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  Speaker 3: with him, you gotta be careful what you do because
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  Speaker 3: a majority, a large majority of those teams are going
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  Speaker 3: to have Kenneth Walker, JSN, and Puka because it's very
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  Speaker 3: easy to fit in those three. Those three are projected
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  Speaker 3: much higher than everyone else. So maybe if you're building
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  Speaker 3: a lot of teams, you make a rule where you're
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily make a rule.
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  Speaker 2: But make sure you're getting teams where there's only.
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  Speaker 3: Two of those guys or maybe one of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: You're obviously going to play at least one of those
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  Speaker 3: guys in just about every build this week. But the
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  Speaker 3: Stidham teams, man, those three guys, the three highest projected
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  Speaker 3: guys on the slate by a wide margin, are going
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  Speaker 3: to be in such a large majority of those Stidham
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  Speaker 3: teams where you need to really take a deeper look
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  Speaker 3: at what you're doing in those in those Stidham teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do you think from a perspective, like
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  Speaker 1: how I mean the ownership is out that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to go position by position the second anyway, just because
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  Speaker 1: it makes it easier on a two game slate. But
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  Speaker 1: you know it looks like Drake May, then probably Donald,
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  Speaker 1: then Stafford than Stidham. But what is sort of the
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  Speaker 1: theme you talked about it there with like Walker, JS
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  Speaker 1: and Pooka. I think Walker Puka for sure will be
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  Speaker 1: the highest owned combination of anything on the slate. They
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  Speaker 1: just fit so easily no matter where you go. But
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  Speaker 1: do you see more people like tippy toeing around the
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  Speaker 1: first game and then being heavier on the game stack
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  Speaker 1: of the second game, or because we see that Drake
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  Speaker 1: May looks to be the more popular quarterback, that's just
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  Speaker 1: because people are like, well, if I'm on Walker, maybe
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  Speaker 1: not Donald. If I'm putting an expensive Pooka in there,
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  Speaker 1: not sure if we're going to be able to afford.
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  Speaker 1: Stafford ever, is only three hundred bucks more than May.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm currently seeing May as the most popular quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: It can segue us in to the quarterback position. But
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  Speaker 1: how do you see sort of overall builds looking at
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  Speaker 1: first glance.
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  Speaker 3: It's all going to be based on projections. The only
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  Speaker 3: reason Drake May is the going to be the highest
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  Speaker 3: zone is because he's the highest projected and he's only
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  Speaker 3: six six thousand, so you're not sacrificing anything to play
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  Speaker 3: the highest projected guy on the slate, and at every
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  Speaker 3: position you're going to see that. I mean, the ownership
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  Speaker 3: is basically just going to fall in line with what
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  Speaker 3: the projections are at each position because it's easy to
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  Speaker 3: play the top guy, the top projected guy at every
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  Speaker 3: position because the pricing is so bad. So you've got
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  Speaker 3: to try to use that to your advantage. And for me,
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  Speaker 3: I guess we can kind of hop into the quarterback thing,
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  Speaker 3: like if it's going to be Drake may as the
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  Speaker 3: highest zone quarterback on the slate, like I'll be looking
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  Speaker 3: to do something different just because first off, I don't
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  Speaker 3: love the spot traveling. They are favored obviously, but Denver's
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  Speaker 3: a tough spot to play in. You have the altitude
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  Speaker 3: stuff and Denver's defense is very good. And clearly what's
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  Speaker 3: Denver going to try to do. They're going to try
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  Speaker 3: to slow this thing down and win this ballgame like
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  Speaker 3: thirteen to ten. Now, I can't always do that. If
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  Speaker 3: that's the game plan, doesn't mean it's gonna work, right,
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  Speaker 3: but that's what they're going to want to do, and
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  Speaker 3: highestone quarterback on the road against a good defense, like man,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go anywhere else. I mean, we currently have Drake
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  Speaker 3: May at thirty five, Sam Darnold twenty six, Matthew Stafford
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, and then Stidham fifteen percent, and I hope
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  Speaker 3: that holds true because you know, if I personally am
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  Speaker 3: going to rank these quarterbacks, factoring in ownership and everything,
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  Speaker 3: I would almost be reverse on what.
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  Speaker 2: The ownership showing. So that's good.
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  Speaker 3: If Stafford is going to be the third highest quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: give me Stafford is my highestone quarterback. If Stidham's going
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  Speaker 3: to be the lowest, I will, I'll find a way
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  Speaker 3: to get some unique Stidham builds in there. I'd be
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  Speaker 3: good with him, and then I would probab I go
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  Speaker 3: to Drake May, and then Darnold would probably be my
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  Speaker 3: least favorite quarterback on the slate. So really the only
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  Speaker 3: reason Drake May is getting this ownership is because of
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  Speaker 3: the projection. We haven't projected at nineteen and a half.
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  Speaker 3: We have Stafford right around seventeen and a half, so
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  Speaker 3: he is two points higher than Stafford. Everyone has a
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  Speaker 3: very similar difference between the two. Saber has it as
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  Speaker 3: a two point different difference. Other sites everything's right around
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  Speaker 3: two points difference between Stafford and May. If that was flip,
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  Speaker 3: if Stafford was showing the higher projection, Stafford would would
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  Speaker 3: be the highest on quarterback on the slate. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I like this setup with Drake maybe in
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  Speaker 3: the highest one because when you factor that in, he's
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  Speaker 3: my third favorite.
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  Speaker 2: So it would be Stafford.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I kind of have to say, say Stidham,
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  Speaker 3: and there is a little bit of rushing up side,
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  Speaker 3: like he has a rushing prop Stidam, I think that
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  Speaker 3: is important, Like he's not going to take off twenty
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  Speaker 3: times fifteen times, but his rushing prop titles not here,
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  Speaker 3: So I had to do a little research before the show.
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  Speaker 3: Is right around fifteen sixteen, and that's that's that's a number.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you can get twenty yards, that's two free
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  Speaker 3: points on a forty five hundred quarterback. If he throws
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown, could be free rolling him. It's a two
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  Speaker 3: games slate, like your expectations or what you're what you
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  Speaker 3: want to get out of a guy as much lower
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  Speaker 3: on the two games slate. So yeah, I'd kind of
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  Speaker 3: flip it on the ownership stuff and go the opposite direction.
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  Speaker 3: Stafford stateum May and then Darnold for me, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting to see. Like I say, fifteen ish
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  Speaker 1: and you talk about title not being here obviously the
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  Speaker 1: you're usually looking at this stuff for us, but over
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  Speaker 1: two hundred yards for his passing right, if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at him from that perspective. For I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: have any touchdown over under for some reason. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was the other thing too. No, no real weather,
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  Speaker 1: like if you look at New England and Denver, it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit cold, but that's about it. And then
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  Speaker 1: at the other game, you know, mild temps, light wins,
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  Speaker 1: no issues. So I know only people are going to
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  Speaker 1: be doing anything based around that. I think that's something too,
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  Speaker 1: will be prevalent and we'll see. Is that, like Drake
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  Speaker 1: May could come down a little bit, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: If you have the stone over at ship a Nation,
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  Speaker 1: you'll be able to see what you know, his optimal
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  Speaker 1: looks like. So if his ownership was to come down
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  Speaker 1: and that would be similar, you'd look at that as
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  Speaker 1: like an opportunity. But it makes sense that when people
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  Speaker 1: end up on Walker, Pooka, JSN, some combination of those guys,
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  Speaker 1: they're willing to go to Barner or who else do?
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  Speaker 1: They usually play like the cup Shaheeds, the Parkinson's, the Higbees.
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  Speaker 1: Once you go to that, I think people will be
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  Speaker 1: able to go to the game stack higher total if
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  Speaker 1: they think the first game is going to be more defense.
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  Speaker 1: You could see Stafford and Darnold pick up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But I still think Drake may stays, you know, pretty
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  Speaker 1: close to where he's at now. Like you said, so
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  Speaker 1: the other thing I would say, too, is just like
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  Speaker 1: the stidam one, probably a little bit more uncomfortable for
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  Speaker 1: people because they don't real I mean, you got Courtland Sutton. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: Pat Bryant has no injury designation as of last night.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they were feeding him early on. I was with
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  Speaker 1: Bo Nixon, but they were feeding him quite early three
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  Speaker 1: for thirty two before the concussion had to leave the game.
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  Speaker 1: Week after, you get Parker Washington coun cuss who comes
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  Speaker 1: back and then breaks the slate. You cannot get that
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  Speaker 1: from Pat Bryant. He has to just completely be out
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  Speaker 1: of the game. But he'll be back in there at
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  Speaker 1: forty four hundred. So I guess people know where to go.
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  Speaker 1: But I think, like you said, a key point there
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  Speaker 1: if you're going Stidham got to be very careful or
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  Speaker 1: thinking about what you're doing, because it's just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of You can instantly plug in Walker, JSN,
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  Speaker 1: Puka the best of every spot and then kind of
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  Speaker 1: fill it out from there. It's not saying you'll be
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  Speaker 1: completely duped every lineup like that that you build, but
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  Speaker 1: you'll definitely have a lot of commonalities with those other builds.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of one thing to look
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  Speaker 1: at there. But at forty five hundred bucks, he's definitely viable,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you mentioned a running aspect of it. I
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  Speaker 1: also think we'll wait and see, you know, when we
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  Speaker 1: get to wide receiver. But I think just because Puka
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  Speaker 1: is so easy to fit, I think the delta between
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  Speaker 1: Puka and Adams could get even further apart because Puka
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  Speaker 1: is just so simple and people look at Puka for
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  Speaker 1: good reason, Like even if you didn't have Stafford, or
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  Speaker 1: even if you weren't really in on that game that heavy,
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  Speaker 1: still play Puka because the guy could have like seven
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  Speaker 1: for seventy in the first half, first quarter really and
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  Speaker 1: then he can have you know, his game where it's
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  Speaker 1: like nine for one hundred and ten and one or
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  Speaker 1: maybe zero even and you're still good on a two
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  Speaker 1: game slate and slim pickens like people like going to
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  Speaker 1: digs sometimes, but they don't always like picking between like
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  Speaker 1: Booty and Pop when they go to Sutton maybe, but
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  Speaker 1: will they go back to Mims or Bryant you know,
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  Speaker 1: JSN sure, but they don't really love Cup and Shaheed,
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  Speaker 1: So it just makes it so you see that happen
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  Speaker 1: a lot more often. So from an overall build perspective,
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  Speaker 1: I think even when people are on May staying with
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback here, I think it's still just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: automatic to see Pooka and Kenneth Chalker the third for
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  Speaker 1: good reason. No, Charpenay will get to that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to cover at quarterback before we
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  Speaker 1: go to running back.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I do agree, though I think that
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  Speaker 3: that Drake May stuff could flatten out like a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But I guess the one takeaway for sure is he's
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  Speaker 3: definitely it's almost certain he's going to be the highest
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  Speaker 3: dome regardless, like he's gonna be up there. It's just
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  Speaker 3: how big is the gap between him and I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: based on the well we have Donald is too. I think
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  Speaker 3: it would be Stafford.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I still think it's gonna end up going Drake May,
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  Speaker 3: Stafford Donald and then Stidham in terms of ownership.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the other flip. Great call out there,
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  Speaker 1: because I think you easially see the Stafford number flip
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  Speaker 1: with Donald and then maybe you know, they both come
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• 15:20
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• 15:23
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• 15:26
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• 15:27
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• 15:30
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• 15:32
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• 17:56
  Speaker 1: We you know, the elephant in the room was pretty
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the room was taken up by this elp and Kenneth Chalker,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the third we've made fun of it forever. Doesn't really
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: matter if you've been playing him or not. At this point,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it's a two game slate. His optimal rate is through
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the roof. People are gonna say, like, just plug him
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in and lock him because it doesn't even matter if
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: he does or he doesn't. He can argue that obviously,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts on Kenneth Walker's start there, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: then let's talk about the position as a whole.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean tough, because obviously, you know, you could
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: make some sort of arguments. I guess if he is
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: like a little more expensive, but he's not the most
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: expensive guy in the slate. He's sixty two hundred coming
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: off an absolute banger performance that everyone saw Charboney out.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: He's gonna get all the work. I mean, they are
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: activating guys like what George Halani and Vellas Jones Junior,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: like these are the guys behind him. He's gonna be
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: out there basically every single down. The projections big what's
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the case? I guess really it's like, what's the case
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: for fading him? Or how does he really fail on
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the slate? You know, he needs a moderate performance. He
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: needs probably I don't know, fifteen or below, needs two
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: of these other guys to have games that beat them,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: whether it's Kyrin Williams, RJ. Harvey, one of the Patriots guys.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Just really tough to make the case against him because
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: because when you factor in a two game slate, like
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I said, like your expectation for performance from these guys
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: comes way down, like ten could be enough for RB two,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: twelve can be enough for RB two. So it makes
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: it very very difficult, obviously hard to take an overweight
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: stance on him if you don't just lock them in.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: If you're building a lot of teams, a lot of
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: people will end up doing that. We're showing eighty two
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: percent ownership seems pretty standard, like right around eighty percent
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: is probably where he's going to be. Do you just
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: hit the lock button on him? Yeah, I mean it's
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: not doing really anything. Like he has a good game,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: he's going to be on optimal regardless. I mean, if
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: he has a middling game, he's probably going to be unoptimal.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: So just bad pricing, you know, it could be. What
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: would make this slate interesting is if he was eighty
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: five hundred instead of sixty two hundred, which that's kind
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: of where he should be priced on the slate, but
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: he is.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: He's cheap, so.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to avoid that situation after him. Kyen
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Williams also had a big game, but a much tougher matchup.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I guess the nice thing about the Kenneth Walker situation
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: when you start considering some of these other options is
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: their ownership's all going to be a little lower because
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a little lower than it would be because of this
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker situation.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Tough matchup for Kyraen coming off.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: The one thing about Kyen, though, you know, we saw
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: in the regular season a lot of Blake Korum, Like
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Blake Korum was getting pretty consistently around, you know, ten eleven, twelve, touches. Well,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: last week that kind of fell off a little bit
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and Blake Korum only got I think it might have
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: been like six carries. Yeah, only six carries, no targets
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: in the passing game. Definitely did not get as much
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: work as he did in the regular season, and I
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: kind of expect that to continue this week as well.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: If it is a competitive game, it's just it's clearly
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Kyen over Korum. I think you know they're probably using
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Korum a little bit more in the regular season to
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: preserve Kyrien.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: R J.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Harvey's the other guy that gets all the work. Most
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of the work. They did use McLoughlin, I think a
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: little bit more than people thought. But again with these
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: backup running backs, they kind of get into that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: It's like the.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Pricing is just so close to the starters where it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: so tough, like with a k With Blake Korum, he
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: got six carries, he doesn't catch passes, Like what's his path,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Like he has to score a touchdown, he might need
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns, so it's really tough. And he's five K
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: like Kenneth Walker sixty two hundred, Blake Korum is five K.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: It's a twelve hundred dollars difference when salary doesn't really
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: matter this week.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It's just hard for these backup guys.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Quorum McLoughlin, like, I just can't even come close to
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: click in those names just because of the price stuff.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So back to R J.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Harvey should get almost all the work fifty nine hundred.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Then you got the Patriots guys, which I think is
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: somewhat interesting. Ramondre Stevenson looking like he's gonna get a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: lot of ownership at forty seven.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And he clearly is.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It's probably I don't know the exact numbers, but it
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: seems more of like a sixty to forty situation in
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: his favor. He got what sixteen carris he got twenty
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: touches last week. But Henderson still has a legitimate role.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I mean Henderson had twelve carries on one target, like
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: he will be used around the goal line. I think
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Henderson is the one guy that's somewhat interesting. He's gonna
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: be obviously much lower on than all four of those
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: guys above him, Walker, Kyleen Williams, RJ. Harvey, Stevenson. We
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: have Henderson at sixteen percent, Saber has at thirteen. So
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: we'll all at fifteen. I think it is two touchdown upside.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: It is a tougher matchup, But I guess the main
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: point is it's really tough to make a case for
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: anyone after Henderson, Kenneth Walker.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Kyron Williams, R. J.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Harvey, Stevenson, and then then Henderson. But all those other
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: guys are getting solid ownership. I guess I'll rank them
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: outside of Walker, like Walker's in a group of his own.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I think this week, I don't know it's gonna be.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know. It's tough. I guess Kyraen Williams, Harvey, Stevenson, Henderson.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a tough position to kind
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: of analyze and make any sort of move on. Really,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like what's the play here. It's hard
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to have like a hot take. I guess at the
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: running back position on this two game late maybe you
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: have something because I really don't.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Not really no, Actually, I think the Henderson one was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the best one, and I'll go more on that in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a second. Just a round out. So some people don't
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers, or they try and like do
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the no ball thing and all this other stuff. It's like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker has one hundred and thirteen and a half
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: all purpose yard prop Puka has ninety seven and a half.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Puka is plus one twenty five to score a touchdown,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is minus one fifty different position. Sure, Kenneth
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Walker is sixty two hundred Puoka's nine k You can
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: play them both. I'm just explaining, like that's why you're
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: not really looking to get too different. It's you can
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: get different with the play, not who you play, how
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you play. And we talk about a ton many people
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that don't play Walker are at least gonna consider, Okay,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: if I'm not playing Walker, then what am I doing?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I think in your MM sets and pools and things
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like that. Yes, some Donald with asn with Cup with
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Barner likes do that, I think honestly. The other way
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is to go uh and it'll be a late swap
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: thing too. By the way, Kyron and the Rams or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Corum and the Rams with your Walker Seahawks lineups, because
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Seahawks were popular last week and got twenty one points,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so makes sense. The other thing would be playing Walker
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: with Donald. Our guy Newan's mentioned it in the chat.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You go back to week eleven. Week eleven and Kenneth Walker,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: even with Sharboney getting eleven carries, he had sixty seven
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: yards a touchdown. Kenneth Walker this is had had sixty
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: seven yards a touchdown, three catches for forty four yards.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: That's in a lower scoring game, and that's what other
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: dudes getting all kinds of touches. By the way, JSN
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: had a huge game. Barner had like eleven targets that game.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker still just crushed. You go to week sixteen
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and look at it again. These games don't mean this game,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: as we always say, it's a totally different game, but
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: just noting this stuff and what could happen that week
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: He got eleven to nine from for carries to charbon Ay,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: still got the one hundred yard bonus, still got a touchdown,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: still got three catches on three targets for sixty four yards,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: like Kenneth Walker can get there in a ton of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: different ways. A lot of these things. You're gonna be
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: looking at ways to get different. But if you are
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: fading him, think about what you're doing instead, and why
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: don't just fade to fade because the ownership, because you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: know there's gonna be tons of opportunities, so I think
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that's important. The one that I will mention a couple
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: things about is the Henderson one. I can't have no
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: other story outside of that after that. I like RJ.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Harvey.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I think Harvey with Denver could be interesting because if
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you think about them and they end up doing something
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: at home, it could be because of that. And that's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: why it's not that it's an easy rush matchup. It's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a kill the clock, touchdowns near the end zone type thing.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You know, Stidham trying to keep him protected. He'll run
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: some You could have like a Stidham Harvey Denver lineup
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and then fill it out. That would be a way
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to pivot and get different in your stidem lineups. But
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: just noting it. The Henderson thing is all based on
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: their latest Remandre stuff. It's been back and forth and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: plenty of times that we've seen it switch on the dime.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: That's one hoop where you could actually, comfortably, in my opinion,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: just change their projection, swap it and say, you know what,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: re Remandre doesn't get it going early. It's not as
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: much Romandre. I'm gonna have Romandre and my mm stuff.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just explaining to you on what you can look
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: at it from us, Even if you have the stone,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you'll be able to see the optimal percentages. Nowhere close
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: on any of these multiple running back spots, but in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that one it's close because no one ever really knows.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And what if the Patriots, again we said Denver might
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: be able to at least put up a little bit
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of a fight in the beginning. Well, if you agree
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with that, it could be because Remandre doesn't come through
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: early Henderson gets involved. If you don't agree with that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and you say, nah, it's gonna be Patriots blowout, Okay,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Well then if you think that, what if Remandre causes
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it in the beginning, or if the pass game causes
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: it in the beginning, and then they go to Henderson
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and he ends up just all again, remember in a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: two running back lineup, or if you go all the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: way to a three running back line up with your
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: flex you only need to get too right. If you
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: got Kenneth Walker right, and it hurts Kiren and it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: not Denver getting there, it's one of Remandre or Henderson.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So that would be where the case would be made
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: for Henderson without getting too cute. The last thing I'll
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: ask you, though, I had a conversation with this with
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about this is what about playing two running
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: backs from the same team.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: The only spot I would be willing to do it
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: would be the Patriots, just because I.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Just cannot play I just Koram McLoughlin, like it's gonna
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: take three to four guys above them almost fully busting.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Like if you're playing like Koram or McLoughlin, you need
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: three of Walker, Williams, Harvey Henderson to bust, like fully bust,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: like they could score a touchdown. So for me, it
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: would only be the Patriots situation, and then it would
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: kind of just be like a Patriots onslaught. I think
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: it would be like Drake May, Stevenson Henderson, where you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Stevenson catches one, Henderson runs into Drake May picks up
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: some additional rushing yards on the ground. Like that sort
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: of setup is where I would play it. But only
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: for me it would only be the Patriots. I can't
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: play you know, Corham and Knerine Williams, I can't play
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Harvey and McLoughlin. I can't play Kenneth Walker, And I'm
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: not even gonna say their names.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those dudes.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not I'm not clicking double there, No way, I.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Can't even find Holani props. But I mean I would
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: just do that through props. Like you said, you need
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you only need to play two running backs anyway and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: new ones. We had this conversation last week with somebody
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: else on here. The scarier it is, or the more scary,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I should say it is, the better on a two
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: game slate. Like Trevion Henderson is not crazy. You're not
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: picking some random diamond in the rough. He literally could
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: be the Stevenson projection.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: The only spot to make a play at running back, Like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: if you're looking to make some sort of move at
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: running back, it's the most reasonable spot to make the play,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Like it just it clearly is, and you're getting you're
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: making the pivot from Stevenson, who's looking to be forty
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: some percent owned, Like there's a thirty looks like what
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: like a thirty percent difference somewhere in that range between
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Henderson and Stevenson. And like you said, you can just
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: flip the projections. Why can't it be Henderson. Henderson had huge,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: huge weeks all season long, and if he gets hot
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and breaks off of fifty yard You think they're just
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: going to go away from his ass, Like, no, he's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: going to get more opportunities. So it's just the most
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: realistic spot to make a move. A pretty boring position.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I said, running back is just boring, man, It's just
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: a boring position.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And it's what you said too, like the Jilani truthers
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: out there, like, I mean, he's gonna be it's eighty
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to one on ownership, like the ones you like. And
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I talk about this in golf in pgadfs all the time.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: It's like when everybody's talking about people but not clicking them.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, in this case, there's enough people still clicking Henderson.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But it's very clear that's where people feel best. If
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to a backup but they're not fully committed,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they're still going to Remandre first. And it's only five
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks more, You're almost always gonna have that five
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars, so certainly want to make note of that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: The last thing I would say, it's really tricky because
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I think you just end up leaving a bunch of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: money on the table. But as if you did do
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Williams and Korum and hope that it's just a Rams
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: beat down and it's Darnald seeing ghosts. It's like you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: could have Williams Korum and Rams, you'd be that would
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: be something that really hurts Walker, So at least it
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: could make sense, But then you kind of just end
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: up that really, if they're really scoring those touchdowns, it's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: hurting Puka's upside, you know, are they throwing a bunch
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of JSN? Possibly, so you could at least have him
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: for some spend, But after that, what do you spend on?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And you can't even get the running backs in the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: other game unless you put one at flex Drake may Diggs.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You cap out on prices as Stidham Sutton. So do
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that in your MM stuff if you're doing it where
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you want to leave three thousand bucks on the table.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But overall, I don't think it's the best move for
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: this slate. All right, smooth the wide receiver. I don't
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: think this is going to go very long either, because
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you know, as much as you said the running back
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: is a boring position, it's not quite the same. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Puka's going into a lot of lineups. JSN is going
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: into a lot of lineups, and both are going into
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of lineups regardless of how you look at it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So what's your thoughts here at the wide receiver position.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's really like what do we need
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to say about JSN and Puka. I mean, they've been
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: two of the best fantasy wide receivers all season long,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Like I mean real life wide receivers too, not just fantasy.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: They're going to be highly owned on the slate. Obviously,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: pricing is super soft. It's easy to play them. In
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: terms of ownership. We're showing JSN at like seventy four,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: and that's because he's only eight k He's one thousand
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: dollars less than Puoko. We're shown Puka at at sixty percent.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably closer between the two. Maybe they're
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: both I don't know, mid mid to upper sixties or
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: either way, they're going to be highly owned, easy to
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: fit into lineups, that's the main thing. Easy to do
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: whatever you want with them. So like, there's no point
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: to really go in to talking about those two. The
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: important part is talking about the rest because you got
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: to play three and then maybe four, which I think
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: is definitely viable. The four wide receiver builds just going
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: by projection DeVante Adams to six K, Like if you're
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: not playing Puka, like what's the best way to get
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: the leverage there? It's just go to DeVante Adams. The
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: problem is he's still going to be highly on two
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: we're showing forty three percent, so it's not like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: big play, but it is like, Okay, if it's not Puka,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: then it's like do we do we want Stafford DeVante
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Adams and maybe throwing Kyraen and and that's how they
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: get their points. Like DeVante Adams, fine play obviously like
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the next guys though, like after after that group, because
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: you can make you can definitely make the case obviously
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: for JSN Puka DeVante that to have big games. After that,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: it gets pretty difficult and the projection number comes way down.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking what we have. Courtland Sutton is
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the next guy after DeVante Adams. We have his projection
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: at eleven point eight, Sabers him has it at ten.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Other spots have it, you know, right around ten eleven twelve,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: so somewhere in that range you're talking about low projected
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: guys with you know, what is this He's fifty seven hundred.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I do think there's a good point when just talking
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: about the the Denver guys per a minute, maybe we will,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: maybe I will kind of do what title doesn't go,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: like team by team and talk through it, because I
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: do think there is simpolidity this with with still them
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: like you put any wait into MiBBs and Brian getting
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: more a little extra love. You know, he's obviously been
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: practicing with these guys a little bit more. The guy
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: for sure is Brian, because Bryant was already the next
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: guy in like he had a much bigger role than
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Franklin down down the final stretch of the season and
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: what we see first game in the playoffs, they were
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: beating them. I mean literally is three for thirty two
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: in the first drive and then he got hurt. Bryant
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to me is the guy, and I hope the ownership
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: remains relatively low because he was you know, with the
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: concussion stuff, you never really know how bad it truly is.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: He practiced, I believe on Wednesday, and then by Thursday
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: fully cleared good to go off the injury report. I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: don't think there's any lingering issues for him. They're always
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: very cautious with this concussion stuff, and sometimes there's a
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: little fishy business on like the big name guys like oh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: how do you clear the concussion protocol so quickly? They're
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: not doing that shit for Pat Bryant, and that just
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: leads me to believe that he's fully good to go.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Ownership on him is we're showing ten, like it probably
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: ends up a little higher than ten. Maybe it gets
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: the fifteen, but on a two game slate, fifteen percent play,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I think Pat Bryant just a phenomenal, phenomenal play. The
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: rest of the Broncos guy Sutton, I don't like Sutton
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a ton here. I mean, yes, he can be fine,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But for me, with the Broncos guys, it's definitely Pat
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Bryant and then probably Mims and then Sutton in order
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of my preference. On the Patriots side of things, it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: gonna be. It sounds like it has a chance to
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: be a little more muddied up this week than last week,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: because it sounds like Mac Collins has a legitimate chance
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to play. And it's already a tough situation with the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Patriots all year long because they're willing to use so
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: many guys Obviously Diggs is the number one, but who's
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the what is it pass? I'm not a huge matchup
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: guy and cornerbacks first wide receivers. I think the wide
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: receivers usually always have an advantage. But is it certain? Yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: he's legit. I mean he's very legit. So a little
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: worried about Diggs. You got Booty who had the big game.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: You got Mario Douglas who had the touchdown. But now
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Matt Collins is going to be in the mix. A
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: lot of these pass catchers for the Patriots. I just
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: prefer when I'm playing Drake May. So if I'm playing
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Drake May, I'm fine playing these guys. But it's like
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: one off lineup filler stuff. I just don't love the
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Patriots guys all that much. Going to the Rams Puka Davante,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty much it. Like you can't really
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: play whitting him or any of these other guys. We
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: already kind of talked about them, and then Seattle got JSN.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: But another very interesting play. Cooper Cup five for sixty
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I believe last week. Yeah, five for sixty, so we
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: got five targets, caught them all. I think he's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: really solid player and this lady is getting the ownership.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But ATTY only thirty eight hundred, we are showing like
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: that's not an ideal number for Cooper Cup. Don't get
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: me wrong, like twenty five percent, but it's a two
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: game slate. I mean, so seventy five percent of people
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: not playing him, I think he's a really good option.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: And then Shaheed you can do the what the double
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: dip worked out on Shaheed a little bit.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think he did anything receiving.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Wise, but he had the kickoff return to start the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: game and then after that just two targets like tough.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: To really go to him.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So you know, outside of Puka, I'm gonna put Davonte
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: in there to Cucka, JS and DeVante. You know, those
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: are kind of the main guys. My favorite after those guys,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: definitely Pat Bryant. I think Pat Bryant's phenomenal plan the
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: slate and then Cooper Cup are the two that that
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: definitely stand out to me outside of like the main
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: those main three.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Well thing I just you brought Shahied I definitely am
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: not in on it for the double dip. That's just
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: randomized to how that happens. Obviously it worked out last
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: week and on shorts late, et cetera, et cetera. But
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: one thing I was wondering, So he did get twenty
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: seven rush yards last week and now no Charbonay in
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the mix, Like I guess there'd be like a little
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: bit of Bakeman potential just because of that. So at
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: forty one hundred, big play guy, they could be saving him,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Like you know that, we keep talking making fun of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: how teams save guys they've been they went and got
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: him for a reason. Sometimes you see that like what
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: what what for? Well, we'll show you in the conference
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: championships when people think that the rams for this big
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: dog team, Let's see what happens here, even though they
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: are the favorite at home slightly.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: You have to imagine like he's going to get some
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: opportunities out of the backfield, whether it's to end around
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: or like a you know, wide receiver screen where he's
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: getting the ball behind the line of scrimmage and you
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: know just go, you know, break a couple of tackles
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and go like he's clearly the guy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe I do bump Shaheta.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good point, Like no Sharbonday they're
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: not gonna like, there's only so much kind of Walker
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: can do, Like obviously he's gonna get a ton of work,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but man like other Yeah, that's
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that's a good point on Shihidah.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I do like cool and just to say this, so
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: last week I was wrong and I always take my ales,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: but like, Houston didn't get all the way there like
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I said they would, but Seahawks did come down from
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty one, Houston bumped up to like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: sixteen or something. It was still close. I was trying
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just to say, like I could see that this week
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: though nobody's respecting the Seahawks d even though you think
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: some people are gonna put them with Walker whatever, people
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: are gonna be game stacking that the minute people go
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Puka the Handbuilders especially, they don't go to Seattle. And
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: remember Stidham is playing, it's just auto assumed it's two
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks more. We could be off at thirty percent
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: on the Patriots because at the end of the day,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: when people are like I can just play the Patriots
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: versus Stidham, perfect might as well do that. That's an
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: interesting tidbit as well. So I just think just so
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: consider those things when you're thinking about it. And so
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's just one note. There other stuff you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: new ones had asked about others as well, Like you
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: definitely play Adams, and if Adams is two goal line
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: touchdowns that hurts Pooka. It does give two touchdowns to Stafford,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: but the challenge that is then Stafford can still be
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: beat because Stafford's not usually again not usually going to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: run stuff in. He's not gonna pick up a ton
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: on the ground if he's not getting the three hundred
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: yard bonus that affects him. And you know, if Puka
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: ends up with six for eighty and zero but Adams
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: has three for forty five and two, that doesn't really
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: mean Stafford is required. So that's one note that's different
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: on a two game slate than on like a main game,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a main thirteen game slate, where I'm like, okay, if
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Adams is actually a ceiling receiver with hundreds of options
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that we can use, then I'm probably gonna want to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: have Stafford. And on a two game slate, it's not
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: even close to the same thing. So you can definitely
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: play Adams there instead, I think it's not too cute.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It's just you know what you're doing. You're saying, give
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: me some of that Nikua over to Adams. We've done
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: this tons of weeks with T Higgins versus Jamar Chase.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you get the two touchdown T Higgins game. Sometimes
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you get the one early touchdown to T Higgins and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: then Jamar Chase still scores forty. It's like, that's sometimes
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: how this can go. Interestingly enough, Hoop, in the Week
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: sixteen matchup, if you remember the battle of Puka versus JSN,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: everyone was talking shit at halftime. It was like MeVis
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Field goals and Charbonnet touchdowns, like what some battle between
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: these two, and then they absolutely went off in the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: second half. It was like ten ninety six and one
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and like seven to ninety and one. It was just
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: a huge second half for both of those guys. So
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. They can turn it on at any time.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows this, But it's like Hoop said, if you're
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: not in on Digs and you don't want to play
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: roulette with the rest, you're not in on Sutton and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you're not sure. I think the the Mims Bryant stuff
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you talked about, Lil Jordan Humphrey one. He was point
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: one six percent on two nowhere to be found. Not
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: just because he's point one ver six own. It's like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: eight points ain't gonna cut it. That's good for him.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: That's a prop hope, you bet as anytime touchdown. Mims
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: was a product I think of the injury, but obviously
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he's capable here and so is Bryant. Again, Bryant being
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: forty four hundred, five hundred bucks more than last week
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and coming off concussion protocol leads me to believe people
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: are gonna go to Mims more for dred bucks. It
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: could have easily been Bryant that was in the Mims
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: role last week taking it away. Mims got there, you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: know a little bit, most likely because of that concussion.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So interesting they're in on the cup Shaheed stuff I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: talked about already and agree with you on the cup side.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I think the other thing, too is if you're gonna
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: go like a way to play it different, you could
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: play Donald Walker, Shaheed and Barner. I know Royo's back.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I actually liked him earlier in the season, won me
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: some showdown money, but again, Barner is still the guy.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: He literally got ten targets or something the last time
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: one of the times these guys played, so not even
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: about the matchup, just how they can use him in
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: so many different ways. That would be a way that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: would really hurt JSN. So if you were looking for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a way to get different with Kenneth Walker, it's to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: not have JSN paired in with him and Pooka, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: then to use him with Donald most will go one
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: or the other, and then to play a guy like
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Shaheed mixed in to kind of slice and dice that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: ownership a little bit. So I'm certainly thinking about that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: as well. Booty and Pop Douglas, even Mac Collins all
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: fine and think, but you know what you're getting zero's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: are you know zero ten or twenty. There's almost like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like boom or bust. It's like boom bust
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: or just shitty mediocre score that's no good for you.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So that kind of sucks as well. It's not like
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: they're they're guarantees in that way. But on a two
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: game slate, I think it's possible anything else from that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you want to hit on hoop if not take us
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: into the tight end position.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tight end, Yeah, nothing more at uh, at the
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, I will say, yeah, I kind of already
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: said it, but like, based on your points, I think
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Shahid is definitely he has to get some work behind
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the behind the line of strimmage, and he has the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: ability to take anything to the house.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So I will say, definitely, look.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Bast it's insane watching highlights and stuff the guys.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: He's going to get the He's going to get at
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: least a couple opportunities behind the line of scrimmage, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it's you know, can he break one?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And he definitely can. I doubt it, But uh, I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: had this stuff.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Up, Oh they do give him one? Four and a half?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would, man.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I guess it depends if it's if he gets a pass,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: but I would.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet that man like I would. I would
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: definitely bet that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I bet that, not just because it's lower, but Holanis
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is eight and a half and I know he's a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: literal running back for them. Yeah, people are thinking, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that number seems like that's like, why is it only
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: eight and a half If he's really gonna spell walker?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: You know, fine, but I think Shaheed is interesting at
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: four and a half. I think they're definitely gonna give
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: an opportunity. And by the way, the I said it wrong.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows he's fast, he's shifty. The way he works
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: towing that quickly is different than others. Every A lot
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: of people in the NFL are very fast. He's extremely shifty.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: So I think that's something that's at least somewhat interesting
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: as well. If you're looking for upside. We just saw
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is solid. It's still upside by the way,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: at thirty eight hundred to get like five for fifty.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it seems more floor, more capped,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: more like outside the red zone, end zone. Get some catches,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: move the ball, move the chains. Shaheed's the big play,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the big opportunity could be rushing some I think he's
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting on the slate.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all there for sure.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Tight end stuff.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Uh. You know another position where sort by projection, ownership
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: is falling right in line, Hunter Henry the highest projected guy,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: highest ownership, Barner second highest projection, second highest ownership, Parkinson
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: third highest projection, third highest ownership.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: You know where I'm going with this goes all the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: way down. I like Henry.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, Henry's my favorite pass catcher for the Patriots
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: this week, Like if I if I'm playing, Uh, Drake
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: May Henry for me is option number one. He is
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: the highest owned, but all these guys are gonna be
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: high owned, so it's like you can't really, you know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: be too concerned with it, but you know, definitely prefer
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: him over Stefan Diggs if deciding who to pair Drake maywith.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's a solid option for me. I'm gonna
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: have a lot of him. Uh Barner, you know did
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: nothing last week, and you know I'm fine with him.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Like I definitely will play some but not my favorite
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: tight end play Parkinson.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I like quite a bit just to touch on those.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Rams guys like Parkinson seven. I think it was like
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: seven targets last week. I mean he is like what
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: wide receiver number three on this team. I mean he's
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: behind Kouka, He's behind Devanta Adams, like he's the next
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: best option Higby and then Ferguson. Five targets for Ferguson
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the right him again too.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: They try to get him in the end zone.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: For you, dude, I'm telling you, it's like it's not
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: just like bullshit little you know, three yard passes like
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: they use him when they're trying to score touchdowns, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: that's very valuable on the two games later if he
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: finds the if he finds the end zone, like you,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: you're probably gonna need him. But I think my favorite
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: spot and someone in the check kind of kind of
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: hit on it right here is h is Ingram. I think,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: like you see these these backup quarterbacks or you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: young quarterbacks, like they love going to the tight end
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and Ingram hasn't really done shit all season long, but
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: he's out on the field a lot, thirty three hundred, Like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: He is a really really good play.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: We're showing eleven percent, Saber has it right around ten,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: like it's hard to find you know ten, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: sub fifteen percent plays on the slate. I think I
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: think Ingram is a is a really solid option for
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: that reason, Like I mean, bo Nix hasn't used him
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a ton, but you know maybe Stidham well, and you
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: see it all the time with these backups or young
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks where they do look to the tight end quite
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a bit, and I think that could be the case here.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: So definitely like Ingram as as well.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about that for two seconds.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking up his I'm just curious to see
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: other props. I would like to look at them too.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, twenty yards for him, and it's like only
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: twenty eight for Barner. For example, Hunter Henry's forty three
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and a half. But you know Hunter Henry, We've seen
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: bhombust from plenty of times. The one thing interesting about
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: bar could be the toush push guy. Also, he's got
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the point five rushing for Barner, they might use him
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: for a shot as well. Somebody mentioned it earlier that
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: two rush yards last week, that's four xes prop. So
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: give that a shot if you want to. But yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and DFS Jones down here says Rams love thirteen personnel.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: All their tight ends are live. I think the most
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: interesting is for me, Barner really hurts the jazz ND stuff.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Not that you can't play them both together. I actually
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: think more people would play that. But for me, if
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going like Darnald Walker Shaheed Barner, I can still
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: play whoever I want everywhere else, And it's a way
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to move off of js N and still go up
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: against those Rams. I like the Ingram play, not just
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: because of the safety blanket thing, but thinking about Sean
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Payton in the past and just the way it can
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: work and how you'd want to set up your backup quarterback.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: He can run if he has to, go ahead and
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: use your legs if you think you need him Son,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Like you can hear him telling him that, Like, that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: go ahead if you need him. Right, if you don't
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: look for this guy, he's open. You can just get
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it across to him. Let's just move the chains, let's
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: kill the clock, Let's keep the Patriots off the field.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Vrabel wants the opposite, So how do we do it
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: as a battle? Like this is a good coaching battle.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing that people forget is you got
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: good coaches here. People make fun of McVeigh and had
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: some pluses and minuses over his time, but his playoff
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: stuff they were showing the other day is pretty solid.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: The Seahawks coach, I always forget his name, but he's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: newer and obviously very solid. Peyton, you got Vrabel. I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: think that's part that people always forget. It's the good
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: coaches typically moving on the NFL moving through a lot
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of coaches these days. So we'll see how it shapes
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: out for the future. But definitely think that is somewhat
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: interesting there as well on the Ingram side. And also
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that's a double leverage. You can play them together. Don't
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: get me wrong. We've seen where who was it earlier
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: this season, like Michael Mayer for the Raiders and then
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it was the defense versus the Raiders that still got there.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I might even have been the Rams at the time,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but just noting it. A lot of people you could
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: play Ingram and Patriots, but because the Patriots are going
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to be so high owned, it's double leverage to play
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Ingram because it also makes sense if you're playing Ingram,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: you're probably not on the Patriots D for the most part.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Some will be like I said, but if you're doing that,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: it's you're saying the game plan is going to be
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: to move the change short pad like, not a lot
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: of opportunities for the defense, So it double Whammy's the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Patriots D here where people think, oh, backup quarterback, I'm
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: going to get all the opportunities in the world. Maybe not.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: It's a five and a half spread that's moved to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: four and a half. Add altitude in Denver et cetera,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: et cetera. A really good defense, certain like the things
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that you talked about, there's other things that they can
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: do to lead this in their favor. It could just
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: lead to a really low scoring game and that's where
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the battle in the trenches happens. That doesn't always give
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the other defense the advantage. So I think that's somewhat
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: interesting as well. Do you want to talk anything further?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: That was kind of my segue to defenses as well, Hoop, Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots going to be super popular for
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: that reason, we get it, but what if they don't
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: get ahead, what if things don't lean in their favor.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: That's where things can change quite quickly. And Seahawks going
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: way overlooked on this, like could go over me in
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the most popular to the least popular in just the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: run of a week based on they're playing the high
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: powered Rams now right is the way people see it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But they are still a favorite at home and two
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks less than the Patriots. Any any quick defense
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: adds for you?
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think the Seahawks one is
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: interesting because you look at these games and you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of teams are gonna want to be running
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the ball, like Denver. If they can get away with
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: just running the ball as much as possible, they're going
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: to Patriots defense.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Is going to be popular.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: It's not ideal when you're playing a defense. Same with
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: the Broncos. Like Broncos look to be pretty popular. The
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Patriots are gonna run the ball if they can. Like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: who's the one team that you know is throwing the
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: freaking ball this weekend? It's the Rams, right, Yeah, I
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: think both sides of yeah, yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Both are gonna throw it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: So like when you're playing a defense, you kind of
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: want to be going against teams that are throwing the ball.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: The Rams are definitely throwing it the most, and Seattle
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: will probably throw it quite a bit as well. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: they're the two lowest ownes, so U you know, no real,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I guess hot takes at the position, but you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: any it's so random and volatile. But if you're looking
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: for any reason to get off the popular Patriots or
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: the popular Broncos, it's Seattle and.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: The Rams are gonna be playing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Offenses that are just much more likely to pass the football,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: which is kind of what you want when picking the defense.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think this is where people like make
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: fun of it and whatever, do whatever you want. Like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: both Hoop and I think our track records are pretty solid.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: But like when we like to talk about this stuff,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's because we love the game so much, and this
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: would be an opportunity where I would say, like, think
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: about this what we just said with the Ingram thing.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Ingram is thirty three hundred, how much is Parkinson thirty
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: five hundred? Higbee three thousand. If someone's playing a Rams
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: tight end or even Barner at four k whatever, they're
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: likely to have the Patriots in there because they're not
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gonna have I mean, if you're on Parkinson with your
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker and whatever else in that game, you're probably
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: not playing the Seahawks D. You're probably not playing your
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Rams D, and you're probably not on the Broncos. You're
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: probably on the Patriots because you can afford it and
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it's there. The flip side of that is Parkinson and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the Patriots D is seven K for six hundred, you
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: can play Ingram and the Seahawks, and that just flips
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: it completely. It's like the it's Ingram against the Patriots,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: it's the Seahawks two hundred bucks less than the Patriots.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It's the Seahawks against the tight ends of Parkinson and Higbee.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Just little little little things like that that you can
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: work to your favor and do differently. I think it's
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: just little ways to look at it. On this slate,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks D not as popular as the Patriots, like
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I said, now the least popular. But the other thing is,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: if you're not on Kenneth Walker or you want a
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: way to get different, why not play the rams D.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: If it's if it's not Kenneth Walker, it's probably because
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: they're behind in this game now and they're chasing now.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Darnold does have to throw who can see ghosts and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: make bad mistakes and things like that, twenty eight hundred
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: dollars rams that'd be a way to flip it when
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you're not in on Walker. And by the way, with
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the rams D, you can most certainly still play Barner
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to beat up a pretty ugly tight end position. He
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: can still rack up the catches. He can still have
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: seven for seventy and this team could score six points
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: like that could happen. You could see ingram or sorry,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you could see if you play the rams D, you
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: could still play JSN sorry and eight thousand he's not
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: as expensive as Pooka, most won't have him against them,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: but he could still rack up seven for ninety five
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and one. But the RAMS D could still be the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: D that's needed on the slate, and then that's still
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a killer score for JSN. So I think those are
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: some of the things that I'm thinking about more than
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just saying Patriots versus a backup. If it gets there,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it gets there. Just think about your lineups when you're
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: building it out. And this is not again, you know
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: everything about football, so you're just playing football. We're playing DFS.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Why would they want to prompt They don't that. That's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: why the Walker's in the mix. That's why Walker's almost
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: ninety percent. You're right, what we're playing for is a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: realistic option. How many times now, do this for all
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: season long, matuas, and go back and do this for
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: every game you thought you knew what was going to happen,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and see how many of them you got wrong. Probably
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: eighty percent or more, because that's what usually happens. So
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: what they want to do and what they end up
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: doing are two totally different things. And that's literally the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: whole point of DFS because your lineup is telling the story.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: If in your lineups where you think that's what they
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: want to do and that's what they get to do,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you probably want to have Kenneth Walker. But in lineups
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: where that's not what they get to do and the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Rams get out ahead, why would you not want to
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: recognize that the other way that they would get there
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: is they'd be trying to pass. They could be down.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: So just the way it goes. Think about San Francisco
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: last week against the Seahawks. They really wanted to run
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the ball and play it through CMC. Doesn't work when
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: you're down forty one to six in the end of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the game. Like, what you want to do and what
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: you end up getting to do are not always the
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: same thing. So everybody has a plan, Mike Tyson until
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: they get punched in the face, punched in the mouth
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: exactly that there's definitely a plan there. But all these
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: teams to Hoops point earlier. The Patriots Bronco is even
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: better example of it. Both teams have the same plan.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: How's it going to work?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: We're gonna find out on the first game on Sunday.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And it's a game of leverage, It's a game of correlation,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: think about what you're doing, but also what you're not
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: doing and what you need to account for in your
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: DFS lineup. So nothing else hoop on that. Do you
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: have anything else you wanted to add there at all?
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: As far as the slate's concerned.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it was a good point here, and you
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: know title always brings it up as well, like the
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: on full slates. I mean, but this is a great
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: opportunity for for swapping, you know, in between games. I
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: mean the best situation I think on the slate is
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: the most obvious one, Like if you have Kenneth Walker
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: and something else, I mean you I think you use
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: the defense uh as a as a reference point and
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: you're trailing, I mean you just go to Cadyn Williams.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's not that hard. I mean it's
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: pretty basically pretty easy, same situation. You can look at
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: it at wide receiver. I mean you can use it
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: to extreme situations too, Like if you have Puka and
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: you're you're you're chasing, you can just leave three thousand
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: and go to Devanta Adams and like there's certain situations
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: that that would make sense and would be the right move.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: So you really got to look at things in between,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: whether it's head to heads, fifty to fifties, single entry,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: large field tournaments, all that stuff. It's going to be
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: important in between games to check out some potential swaps.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. I really like
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that one. I also think it's like Walker and Seahawks
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: directly flips to Kyen and the Rams.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're probably have the money left anyway,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: but I will not. We just saw this a few
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and so I'll bring it up now just
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: so people have it. Is like the Walker to Kirene
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: swap will be very common if things bust in the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: first game. The popular pieces we saw it. Remember the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Genty Tracy Junior week and then everyone was like, oh shit,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: everybody swapped from genty to Tracy Junior because genty was
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: so popular. That will be similar here. So I wouldn't
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: be afraid. I know it's way more risk in projection,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: but if you're behind and you need to catch up,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I would actually like in some cases, at least depending
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: on the tournament you're in and all these different things.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: The more you know or have experienced with late swap,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the more you understand, but I think you could go
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: to like from Walker to Seahawks, you could also go
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to like you could go to Korum and Rams. Well
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: one thing from like Walker alone, you could go if,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: especially if you got him in the flex, you could
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: go to Shaheed and just say I'm gonna play the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: forty one hundred dollars hope that he busts something big
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in that game, or if or just go to Devonte
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Adams for six thousand, and the flex would be even better.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I like the Puka to Adams move better because that's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: leaving the money. But it's someone that can easily do it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: But remember a lot of people will go from Walker
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to Kyroen to flip the script. You could go from
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Walker to Adams. It's definitely projection risk. You're down like
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: eight points now, but one touchdown catch that could be
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the difference. Something like that. I think it's important to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: know to how to work the late swap in your
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: favor when that comes up. All right, I think that's
• 58:44
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• 58:46
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