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The Injury Expert: Ohtani’s elbow rehab, Acuña’s plan, Giancarlo’s tennis elbows, Rendon’s hip · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: You get a lot of athletes, especially superb physical specimens,
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  Speaker 1: who don't know how to rehab because they just basically
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  Speaker 1: cruise through their entire career.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Carol joining us right now injury expert, and make
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  Speaker 2: to join us throughout the season to give us expert
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  Speaker 2: analysis on the injuries that you need to know more about.
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  Speaker 2: Will great to see you. I'm going to try and
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  Speaker 2: do a little positivity. First. Let's talk about a couple
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  Speaker 2: of players that are coming back. So I'll start with show. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: o Tani. I don't think there's any past precedent on
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  Speaker 2: what he's dealing with, so I'll let you handle how
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  Speaker 2: he returns from a second elbow surgery to pitch and
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  Speaker 2: to maintain his incredible hitting prowess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. He should be comeback Player of
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  Speaker 1: the Year. But can you be a comeback player if
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  Speaker 1: he didn't go away? You know, obviously he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: two versions, so the hitting version pretty good, pitching version
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  Speaker 1: also pretty good. But we've never had this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I do think Mark Pryor had a great point the
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  Speaker 1: other day, and then he was saying, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: he was pitching last year, but he was rehabbing, and
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  Speaker 1: the rehabbing so regimented. You have to do all these things,
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  Speaker 1: you have to get in your work every single day,
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  Speaker 1: and he did that. So it's not like pitching and
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  Speaker 1: hitting is unusual for him. He's done it for years.
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  Speaker 1: What's unusual is being able to do it at the
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  Speaker 1: same time and the type of surgery has which is
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  Speaker 1: still something of a mystery. Doctor Neil la Trash for
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  Speaker 1: the Dodger still hasn't told exactly what he did. And
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  Speaker 1: with these augmented elbow reconstructions, let alone a revision, we
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  Speaker 1: just don't have a lot of data to work on.
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  Speaker 1: Everything so far has looked really positive. So I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: about the timeline. I'm curious how they're gonna work it
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  Speaker 1: in with Clayton Kershaw coming back, but starting on the
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  Speaker 1: sixty day, I'm just not sure how they're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: things together, whether it's a five man or six man.
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  Speaker 1: I just know what we've seen from Otani means everything
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  Speaker 1: is online with that rehab. If he were just a pitcher,
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  Speaker 1: we'd be talking about how good he looks rather than
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  Speaker 1: what an unusual case he is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we don't know what he had. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know how slow are they going to have to take it?
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  Speaker 3: And then who's going to be back to full strength
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  Speaker 3: quicker Otani pitching or Acuna in his knee, because the
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  Speaker 3: Braves have said they're going to take it slow. The
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers have said they're going to take it slow with Otani.
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  Speaker 3: So who do you think will be back to one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent more rapidly?
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  Speaker 1: Do we get two hundred percent out of Otani? I
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  Speaker 1: think with Otani there's no They're not just taking it slow.
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  Speaker 1: They're taking it ridiculously slow. We know it was an
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  Speaker 1: augmented procedure and that internal brace is supposed to get
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  Speaker 1: you back faster. We've seen over and over in other sports,
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  Speaker 1: European soccer, these guys are coming back from ankle surgery
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  Speaker 1: in weeks. Even in baseball, if you remember when Mike
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  Speaker 1: Route popped his thumb, we've had guys going all the
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  Speaker 1: way back to Dustin Pedroia. It used to be six
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  Speaker 1: to eight weeks. Now it's three to four because of
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  Speaker 1: that augmented ucl same thing in the elbow, but we're
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  Speaker 1: not getting guys back faster because we're using a rehab
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  Speaker 1: that was designed in nineteen seventy four. Frenk Job came
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  Speaker 1: up with it. Mike Marshall tweaked it a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin wilk has done a lot of good into it.
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  Speaker 1: But this eighteen month timeframe is ridiculous for something that
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to do it back. So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're taking it slow. They're taking it ridiculously slow. On Acunya,
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  Speaker 1: he's gone through this before. He obviously it was the
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  Speaker 1: other knee. He knows the process. This was old hat.
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  Speaker 1: He wishes he didn't have to do it. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be a problem for him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we see NFL running backs coming back from this.
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  Speaker 1: We see pretty much everybody acls are six to nine months,
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  Speaker 1: so again he's at the tail end of that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they have to take it easy with him. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll run as much, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think there's going to be any day deficits. He sure
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  Speaker 1: look good coming back from the first one.
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  Speaker 3: Hitting on before I hit rendon, hitting on a Kunya.
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  Speaker 3: His exact quote was, I feel way better than I
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  Speaker 3: did the last time. Are there things you can learn
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  Speaker 3: about players' bodies? I mean, he had the same injury,
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  Speaker 3: just on a different knee, as far as how to
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  Speaker 3: rehab them or how to break up scar tissue because
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  Speaker 3: everybody scars differently. Are there things that you could learn
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  Speaker 3: from one rehab process than to the other leg which
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  Speaker 3: is rare for most people, but on the same player.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's more that you've just done it, you've gone
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  Speaker 1: through it. Everything is new. The first time, he knew anything,
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  Speaker 1: so he knew what was coming, he knew what the
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  Speaker 1: schedule was, he knew he was going to come back
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  Speaker 1: fine from it. You get a lot of athletes, especially
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  Speaker 1: superb physical specimens, who don't know how to rehab because
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  Speaker 1: they just basically cruised through their entire career. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to be away from their teammates, somewhat, they're in pain,
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  Speaker 1: it's a whole new process. So it wasn't a new process.
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  Speaker 1: He'd probably be better with a third time, God forbid.
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  Speaker 1: But it's one of those situations where I think he's
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  Speaker 1: just more confident because he knows how well he came
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  Speaker 1: back last time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, talk about another superstar that's been injured a lot
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Rendon was a star and the injuries have been there.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's got a hip that pops up when we
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  Speaker 3: look at it, we say, ooh, you know chronic hip,
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  Speaker 3: or wait a minute, it's chronic. Why was this not
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  Speaker 3: taking care of in October? What is the what is
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  Speaker 3: the prognosis of somebody coming back from a second hip surgery?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really interesting the timing of it. It's
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  Speaker 1: as if they were just going to say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how can we get him out of here? But there
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  Speaker 1: is an injury. I'm not saying this is fraudulent. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying they're faking this whole thing. It's just I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they cared at this stage. They didn't know
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  Speaker 1: whether he's gonna play, he's gonna get paid one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other. I don't know whether there's there's a
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  Speaker 1: disability policy on him. Most players don't have it because
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  Speaker 1: they're really expensive and don't pay off. So it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those situations where it's just tough. His body has
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  Speaker 1: broken down, and someday we'll be able to go in
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  Speaker 1: there and take a DNA swab and figure out whether
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  Speaker 1: somebody's gonna hold together. I find it really interesting going
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  Speaker 1: back to Acunya. You know, do we learn anything about
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  Speaker 1: his brother, who's an up and comer with the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: because you know his brother has had bad knees. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know about genetics. But it's really
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  Speaker 1: intriguing with Brenda and he's just broken down. The timing
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  Speaker 1: is iffy, but I'm not sure how much he is
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  Speaker 1: gonna play. The thing about him is it's not one thing.
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  Speaker 1: He's been on the DL or excuse me, il thirteen
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  Speaker 1: times and it's like eleven different things if you count
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  Speaker 1: separate hamstring strands and things like that. So his body's
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  Speaker 1: just broken down and you don't normally come back from that.
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  Speaker 3: Well it comes to well, my DNA, it's perfect. By
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  Speaker 3: the way, I'm just saying, just say, just say come
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  Speaker 3: swab it. We won't you'll find nothing soon, but now
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  Speaker 3: I must. And by the way, Rendon the Angels don't
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  Speaker 3: have insurance on Rendo and so they're paying that whole freight,
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing. So okay, that sucks for Ardie Moreno.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, as Scratch said, he was a superstar,
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  Speaker 3: Now another're speaking of another star in New York, John Carlos,
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  Speaker 3: Stan tennis elbow and both elbows.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of this?
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  Speaker 3: And what the heck is going on in New York?
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  Speaker 3: Because tennis elbow both elbows is a hitter. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like he's playing out in the album throwing with both arms.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know a time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a couple interesting things here. First, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably not tennis elbow. I think he was looking for
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  Speaker 1: something understandable, so like tennis elbow. When Aaron Boon said that,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just trying to explain it. It's
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  Speaker 1: it is tenanitis with tennis elbow. It's a very specific type.
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  Speaker 1: It's because of the motion of the racket, which you
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  Speaker 1: don't have with the bat. You know, some of that
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  Speaker 1: vibration he is going into the elbows in the arms
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  Speaker 1: not much, you know, even with these guys going in
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  Speaker 1: there and taking a thousand cuts off the hit tracks
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  Speaker 1: or the traject you just don't see this repetitive stress.
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  Speaker 1: Injuries like this are usually the result of you know,
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  Speaker 1: these old wooden and metal rackets, and we've seen a
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  Speaker 1: significant reduction of that. So I think it's just ten
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  Speaker 1: and eightists. I don't know the cause, you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: always been a very tightly wound guy, so that could
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  Speaker 1: be part of it. He's big, he's huge, he swings
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  Speaker 1: really really hard. But when we're looking at other guys
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  Speaker 1: in that range, they haven't had these issues. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's maybe a little bit interesting with Otani given that
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  Speaker 1: he also pitches, so there's different stresses on the elbow,
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  Speaker 1: but this is just a really unusual one. I think
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  Speaker 1: the key here is that it was managed not just
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  Speaker 1: last year, but the year before, so this is an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing thing. They know how to get him ready to play,
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  Speaker 1: and he certainly looked good. If they can just do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was they did in October for the entire year,
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  Speaker 1: I think that would be much better for the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a way to avoid that? I mean, talking
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  Speaker 3: specifically about Geez Tennis elbows are the tendonitis that he
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  Speaker 3: has in his elbows? Because as a player, if I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking on I'm like, whoa John Carlos jacked? He is huge?
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  Speaker 3: Like how could he get hurt? I always wanted to
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  Speaker 3: figure out whatever it took, because if I got hurt,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't not going to make the team.
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  Speaker 1: I was just not going to be playing anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So there's players out there that is there a way
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  Speaker 3: to avoid this kind of thing, or is it just
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  Speaker 3: like you know, some people have it, some people don't take.
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  Speaker 1: A little of that. I mean, going back to the genetics,
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  Speaker 1: it might be that, you know, some guys get really
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  Speaker 1: really jacked and can't swing anymore, can't pitch. If they
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: lose flexibility, they lose the ability to recover. There are
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: so many things we just don't know about injuries and
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: susceptibility and recovery. There's some easy things, and when you
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: think about things like diet and sleep, these are things
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  Speaker 1: that the European soccer clubs have been focus on for decades,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: and baseball they're just getting dietitians out. They're not tracking
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  Speaker 1: sleep because the union doesn't want that, and I can
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: understand why. But there are a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: players can do if we get away from this paternalistic model.
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  Speaker 1: How can we recover better, How can we energize ourselves better?
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  Speaker 1: How can we feed that battery that we have to
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  Speaker 1: keep recharging. So there's a lot of things we don't know,
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: and baseball has done a very very poor job of
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: getting us into the game, researching it, advancing it, and
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: making it more widely available. Especially down the line, we
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: need to make the miners better. We need to make
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: the college game better, We need to make the youth
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: game better.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Lat strain. Frankie Montas has a lot strain, somebody that's
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  Speaker 3: you know, was supposed to be one of the big
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  Speaker 3: pieces for the Mets starting rotation. It's a high grade
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  Speaker 3: lat strain. How does that? How does that differ? Because
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  Speaker 3: any kind of latch strain, any kind of oblique strain,
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  Speaker 3: people are like, whoa, we got to really shut it down.
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  Speaker 3: How does that different from just like a regular lap stream.
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  Speaker 3: High grade just matters how much tearing there was. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you get a little tear. They're a little frame there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it tears in this big chunk that you
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  Speaker 1: can actually stick your finger in what's called the palpable defect.
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  Speaker 1: That's agreed two. And you know if it tears all
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  Speaker 1: the way, then you have to sew it back together.
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  Speaker 1: And if you think that's easy, go cut a steak
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  Speaker 1: and then try to sew it back together, because that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they would have to do. So with a
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  Speaker 1: lat string, what's key is the location. The lat's a
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  Speaker 1: big muscle. It's the muscle just below your shoulder blade
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  Speaker 1: out there on the side. It's very involved in the
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  Speaker 1: pitching motion as one of the breaks, so the location
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  Speaker 1: is going to matter how deep it is and just
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  Speaker 1: how well he heals. So this is a six to
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  Speaker 1: eight week injury. They're not talking about surgery again. Surgery
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  Speaker 1: is very, very difficult. So he can get back. He's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna miss all of April Seed's return and come
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  Speaker 1: back into May, but most guys come back from this
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  Speaker 1: fairly well. The lad is actually a muscle they use
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: in the rare case of having a transplant, a muscle.
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  Speaker 1: You can lop off about half that thing and move
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  Speaker 1: it around. I know that sounds really weird, but the
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  Speaker 1: latin really does. Heal pretty well in most cases.
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  Speaker 2: One more on the mets. While we're on them, how
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  Speaker 2: do you handle could I Sanga? So he had a
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  Speaker 2: shoulder strain. That was the arm problem for him obviously,
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  Speaker 2: and then the calf I think was what happened later on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm less concerned about that. I know with a calf
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  Speaker 2: you got to give it time. But shoulder is is
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  Speaker 2: that still the bad word? The worst word in baseball?
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  Speaker 2: And for someone that barely pitched last year, how do
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  Speaker 2: you make sure you keep him on the mound because
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  Speaker 2: the Mets already lost Montos for probably half the season.
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  Speaker 2: Senga's really good when he's out there.
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  Speaker 1: You know. The calf injury in his first game back
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  Speaker 1: was just absolute quirk. It was one of those things
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  Speaker 1: you don't often see shoulder you do worry about. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't have much of a sample size with him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we saw him come back. He had a really good
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  Speaker 1: game before the calf injury, so the stuff should be there.
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  Speaker 1: All the reports I've heard from the Mets are that
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  Speaker 1: he's healthy. They're not too worried about it. Things healed up.
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  Speaker 1: What you worry about is any time there has to
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  Speaker 1: be surgery because there are so many moving parts, and
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  Speaker 1: elbow is a hinge. It bends everybody, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a hinge. Even I can fix a hane if it
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  Speaker 1: breaks on a door. His shoulder does so many things.
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  Speaker 1: It moves in so many different directions. There's so many
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  Speaker 1: muscles and tendons and ligaments and capsules and labor ooms
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  Speaker 1: and everything else. To put it back together, surgeons often
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  Speaker 1: say it's like putting together a puzzle without the box top.
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  Speaker 1: So getting it back in just the right way, with
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  Speaker 1: just the right tension is really really difficult, even comparing
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  Speaker 1: it to the other shoulder, which is what you'd normally do,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, Pictuer's right shoulder is not the same
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  Speaker 1: as his left shoulder no matter which way you go.
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  Speaker 1: So I think with Senga they've done all the right things.
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  Speaker 1: The question is how do you keep any picture healthy,
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  Speaker 1: let alone one that's putting as much force on there.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Mets are better equipped to do this.
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  Speaker 1: They're one of the teams that are really taking sports
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  Speaker 1: science seriously. One of the best biomechanists and workload specialists
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  Speaker 1: there in the front office. So I do have some
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  Speaker 1: positive hopes for Seena this year.
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  Speaker 2: That's good news for Mets fans. I have one more
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  Speaker 2: pitching question for you. Spencer Stryder will come back at
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  Speaker 2: some point. I think the uniqueness there is the brace surgery. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that's a newer concept. Do you know much about it?
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  Speaker 2: And we don't really have a ton of long term
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  Speaker 2: research on it for baseball yet?
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  Speaker 3: Do we?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. We've actually been doing this surgery for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. I wrote the first article about it
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  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen after hearing just a ton of surgeons
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: at a convention back when Pebats did that, everybody was
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  Speaker 1: excited about this, and here we are almost ten years
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  Speaker 1: later and we're not seeing the benefits from it that
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: we were told In almost every other sport, well even
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  Speaker 1: in baseball. I mentioned the thumb, guys are coming back
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  Speaker 1: in half the time. So the theory was guys were
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: going to come back from half the time. When doctor
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  Speaker 1: j Do gets down in Birmingham was starting to do elbows,
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  Speaker 1: we were seeing really really quick return times. Now, these
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  Speaker 1: were high school kids who just wanted to play their
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  Speaker 1: senior season. These weren't, you know, million dollar athletes that
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  Speaker 1: have to think about a career. So they were willing
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: to take some short term risks. But again, these long, long,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: eighteen month rehabs, they're ridiculous. For Tommy John, you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been. You can go all the way
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: back to Tommy John, the original, the guy. Rather than
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the surgery. It took eighteen months because he had a
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: pretty major complication. It had to have surgery again to
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: move a nerve. You don't have that today. We should
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: be getting these guys back in nine to twelve months,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: not fourteen eighteen like we are. We have to fix
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: this rehab and there are people like Mike Reinold Ellen Jaeger,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a ton of people that have put work into whether
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: we can get a better rehab rather than using you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: everybody goes back to the hundred and when he flip
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: mark and limiting people, which is actually Frank Job did
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: that because that was the room he had in a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: parking lot that led up to the training room in
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Vero Beach. That's how old this is. They're not even
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: in Vero Beach anymore. That parking lot is gone.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Wow, I'm laughing at that, because, Wow, that's funny. It
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: hasn't changed. The Pirates made a big move. They got
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Spencer Horowitz. Yeah, he's got a chronic risk now he's
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: just having risk surgery. Now, why didn't the Pirates do
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: something about this or did they know when they traded
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: for him? And what exactly is he having Because I've
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: had my handmaid out. You know that's a four to
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: six week thing, but most guys can come back a
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: little bit quicker. So what's going on with him and
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: his wrists?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I wish I could give you the details, but
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: they've been very very close with this. They did know
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: there was a problem he passed the physical, but you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you can pass the physical just because they want you to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't think it was gonna be a serious problem,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: but as he was ramping up for the Seas doing
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: his work ahead of spring training, it flared back up.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: The Pirates took care of it. He did have the surgery.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was ten days ago. They hope he's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: going to be back near the start of the season,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: probably not at opening day, but they haven't said yet
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: what it is. I've heard two or three separate things.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: They all have about the same timeline. They have all
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: about the same outcomes. I haven't pushed too much. You
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: got to save those favors for when you need them.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: But with Horowitz, we normally see guys come back from
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this really well. The tough part for the Pirates is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: didn't make many other moves. He was one of the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: guys who they were counting on to get them a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: little bit better. And if he's out, they don't really
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: have a backup. I mean, they're going to be moving
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: guys around from the infield who were you know, slap
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: hitters up the middle. That's not who you want at
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: first base.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: If only there weren't a billion first basemen available the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: entire offseason at all levels of pricing, many of which
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: are super productive players. And I know it's been Arwitch
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: could be that guy too, But yeah, they're not building
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the depth because they're not allowed. They don't have the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: budget for it. I mean, beating a dead horse, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it is what it is, and that puts them in
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a bad spot. One or two injuries and the lineups
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: gonna look like crap. So but let me tell you,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I really feel well, this was great. Thank you so
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: much for joining us. We had a lot to catch
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: up on, so we'll do this throughout the season and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: obviously on your way out here, just let everyone know
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: where they can find more information on a more consistent
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: basis from you.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you can find me at under the Knife
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: dot substack dot com, where I do this sort of
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: thing three or four times a week, cover the breaking
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: news when it happens, and hopefully we won't have all
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of those. But thanks you guys for the time.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you well, great to see appreciate you. Scott Pigford,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: who's a regular in the chat, said, you know, the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: more I think about this situation, if the Angels are
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: so worried about preserving Mike Trout. Can't they d H
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: him if they need is bad? So bad? Just curious
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: if you covered this on FT obviously, I replied, Scott,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: who Mark Trout? Mark Marcus? Uh So when they signed Solaire,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, cool, but.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: They traded.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: They traded for him, actually.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Traded and traded Hilaire. But I'm like, damn, you clogged
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: up your DH spot. The best player and hitter on
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: your team might need that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: They needed.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Put him in the outfield for twenty to thirty games
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: that Trout gets to d H. It's not ideal, But
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: you're also not a team that's looking at like, hey,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: we are a playoff team. We're looking to win the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: division type of thing. They needed to add slug, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I think they added that slug. I don't think they're
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: going to play so lair in place of Trout's health,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: in the sense that they're going to have Trout in
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the lineup if it means Solaire needs to be in
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the outfield more than what they anticipated, I think that's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the route they'll go. But they also want Trout to
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: be in the outfield. They don't want him to move
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to DH yet, whether that's right or wrong, I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: they're hoping there's more still more value with him in
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the outfield for the next couple of years at least.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to present a quick case here.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: If they waited or if they presented it correctly, it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a longer term deal. But Anthony Santander has deferrals in
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: his deal that makes him about a fourteen million dollars
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a year player on the CBT tax I know, don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: be scared by the ninety three. It's heavily deferred. Jorge
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Solaire's making thirteen a year the next couple years. They're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: almost the same. One can play the outfield for you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that, Scott doesn't work like that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: because Cinten there, they had to get into a bidding war.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: They just went and traded for Solaire, so they knew
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: what he was making. They didn't know what Cintentire was
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: going to end up on. If you look at predictions
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: before the seaton, before the offseason, since and Dare was
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: scheduled to get you know, huge huge money, not deferred money,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and not this and that, So you can't that's not
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: apples to apples. You can't compare them like that. They
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: knew what the price was for the layer, they wanted them,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: they went out and got them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: They should have gotten an outfielder, though they got a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: DH All Right, I'm gonna try to do three things here,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to say this for a while. Number One,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox had that documentary coming out, and it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: April eighth, and this would just be such a perfect
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: time to watch a documentary if it had any entertainment
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: value in drama to it. When there's no games and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: people are excited for baseball season and football just ended,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: but instead they're starting at April eighth, And if the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Red Sox are good, you're gonna want to spend a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: few hours a night watching the Red Sox. Tell me,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an executive.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: This only one problem. This was from last year.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Though it was from last year, I understand.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: But they should have released this last year for me.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: For me, they should have released this last year during
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the season when because there was a lot of drama
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that happened in Boston last year, let's not forget. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: they're gonna go back and talk about that they should
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: have I know, they tried it once the franchise with
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Ozzie and the Marks, and I think they did it
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: with the Giants one year. But like the hard Knock
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: stuff that did, I think, whoever does HBO? I think
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: does it? That's Stuff's incredible, man, especially if it's your team,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Like you're watching that joke. I watched the Bears thinking
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the Bears win this offseason. The preseason, I'm like, they're
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: never losing a game, and then they went out and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: played foot on like five and twelve. So you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: but again, your bike as a fan man like they
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: should be doing it now during the season. They should
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: shouldn't do it about last year. I know they had
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: to edit in all that junk, but still, man, they
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: should do it live. Let's go.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, it wasn't a good team either.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: There weren't like big superstars, so I think they're going
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to have a tough time. And actually the biggest superstar,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Endeavors is really quiet, so I imagine he's not very
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: involved with it. I know. I think it's going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: be like the Tristan Cosas show Kretz, which they might
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: want to just rename it that. But yeah, I don't know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not excited at all. I'm even less excited that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it's coming out during the season because I will spend
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: six hours a night watching games. It will be much tougher.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to tell me this is the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: best shit ever, or I'm not watching.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, what's the story line? I think Jaron Duran's
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the best storyline from the Red Sox five hundred season.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And I love Jared Duran, my son. That might be
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: one of his new favorite players. Left handed hit or play.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Center field runs fast like you sit there and you go, oh,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I'd like to watch it for Jared Duran. Other than that,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: What do you what do you? What are you tuning
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: in for? Is my thing, especially right when the season
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: starts April. You're even going to games and it's cold,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: like put this out. Put this out when it's like
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: snowing in Boston something.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right, I've got one for you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I've been waiting to lay this news out for a
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: minute too, because it got buried behind a press release.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: The Minnesota Twins have their own streaming service now, so
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: fans MLB takes it over. What do you get? You
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: get a couple extra camrangles and you get no more
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: pregame show on the road, and your postgame show on
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the road is going to go from thirty minutes to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: fifteen just reporting facts.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: So postgame on that road, no post game on the road, right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: No pregame on the road. So they used to have
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: thirty minute pre and post just for every game. That's
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: what the standard is for most teams. Some have an
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: hour sometimes, So now pregames stay the same. Pregame doesn't
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: exist on the road. Postgame thirty minutes down to fifteen fifteen.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Imagine you just saw the game of your freaking life
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and they're like, butt att, fifteen minutes are up, gotta go.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And we also had some commercial breaks in there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's brittle.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: How does that grow the game when you're taking that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do it's that expensive that you can't run it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: You can't get sponsorships.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: My biggest thing, we play so many games, God forbids.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: A fan misses a game, hey we can talk about
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: it tomorrow. In the pregame. Hey, you know, we build
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: up to see what the storylines were from last night,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: how this person's injury is third, eight minutes is up?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Being banged boom like it's not tough, Like, Hey, when's
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: the game on? Oh, I want to watch the pre
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: game to see a few things. Catch up on your news.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: If only there was a place where you could get
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: team info daily. Well, I'm gonna look for it. I'm
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: gonna look for it on the internet. I bet there's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You let me know how that goes. It just plays
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to why we exist.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I saw Frank Thomas the other day and I told
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: him the best thing that save the big thing, The
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: best thing that saved the White Sox season last year
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: was the postgame shows with Chuck and Ozzy and Frank
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and Pods and those guys, because they would lose every game,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and those guys didn't have anything talk about because it
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: was the same old, same old, and they just it
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: was hilarious to watch Chuck, who's a super fan, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: then you have Ozzie who is Ozzy, and then you're
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: throwing Frank, you're throwing Pods, you're throwing whoever else they
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: have on there. Man, that was must watch TV every night,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: especially they would figure out invent ways to lose. It
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: was incredible. So I'm not really for this, man, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: need pre and post game shows.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going through it as a Twins fan.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Let's say they disappoint this season because they did nothing
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: in the offseason, and god forbid, they don't get sold
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: before the season starts, and you're still going through this, Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you want somewhere to vent.