Latest / The Death Of Journalism / Episode One Hundred Sixty Three: Single Issue Voter
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- 0:00Welcome to episode number one hundred and sixty three of the Death of Journalism Podcasts.
- 0:04My name is John Sigler. I'm your host on today's show. Hunter
- 0:08Biden is convicted and the reaction of both presidential candidates is telling. Will immigration
- 0:15be the deciding factor in the presidential election? Caitlin Clark Talk continues to dominate
- 0:21the sports world, and on the eve of the US Open Golf tournament,
- 0:25what the hell is going on with Rory McElroy's personal life. We begin this
- 0:30episode of the Death of the Journalism podcast with the conviction of Hunter Biden,
- 0:34the son of President Joe Biden, on three gun and perjury felony counts.
- 0:40I will first say that I have to give some credit to the jury here.
- 0:45This was a jury that was majority black, then therefore seemingly rather liberal.
- 0:51This was a situation where the President of States went out of his way
- 0:55to try to influence that jury, maybe even to the point of jury taan
- 1:00bring with regard to the public narrative about what was going on, and it
- 1:04did not work. This jury was not fooled. The evidence was clear cut,
- 1:11which is why there had been a plea bargain in this case. Previously
- 1:14that was blown up because it was too much of a sweetheart deal, and
- 1:19it's that deal, the origins of how this trial even happened that is being
- 1:23almost completely forgotten by the mainstream news media, which is doing their best to
- 1:27try to spin all of this in Joe Biden's direction, claiming that this is
- 1:34an indication that he has a respect for the legal system and the process,
- 1:38and that in a weird way, isn't this a great thing that we live
- 1:42in a country where no one is above the law, and that even the
- 1:46son of the president will be convicted by a jury of his peers. And
- 1:49there's been some even comparisons between how Hunter Biden and Joe Biden have handled this
- 1:55in comparison to how Donald Trump handled his trial and his convict And of course
- 2:00they're very different situations because Hunter Biden is not actually running for president, and
- 2:07this is a situation where the DOJ tried to give Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal,
- 2:13but it fell apart because they essentially got caught with their hand in the
- 2:17cookie jar. They overplayed their hand, and that's why this trial happened.
- 2:23If they had not done that, if they had not tried to give Hunter
- 2:27Biden a sweetheart deal. He might be in a much better situation right now
- 2:30because maybe there would have been a plea bargain without these three felony convictions,
- 2:35where theoretically Hunter Biden could spend a lot of time in prison. Now I'm
- 2:40skeptical as to how much time he'll really be sentenced to, but there's no
- 2:46question that at least subconsciously, this may have an impact on the presidential election.
- 2:52Some of it might actually be in Donald Trump's favor, because, for
- 2:58one thing, it kind of takes away a little bit the ability for Joe
- 3:01Biden, for instance, at the debates, to be dropping the convicted felon
- 3:07line constantly against Donald Trump, because obviously, now Joe Biden's own son is
- 3:13a convicted felon. And so, you know, I don't know how much
- 3:17impact this is really going to have. A lot of it's based upon how
- 3:22it might influence the narrative of the campaign in a weird way, if you're
- 3:28Hunter Biden, I think, and I haven't seen a lot of speculation in
- 3:32this regard. Maybe it's out there and I just missed it, But to
- 3:36me, it's almost obvious if you're a Hunter Biden you're almost rooting now for
- 3:39your dad to lose, because if he loses the election, there's a hell
- 3:46of a lot better chance that he's going to pardon you. Joe Biden has
- 3:49said he's not gonna pardon Hunter. He's been very clear on that. If
- 3:54he were to do so, now, I really think that would be a
- 4:00death blow in an election that's this close. I don't know how you overcome
- 4:04that, and I doubt very seriously that Biden's advisors would even let him contemplate
- 4:12this. But if he loses, Biden loses, he's got plenty of time
- 4:16after the election with nothing to lose, literally nothing to lose, because he's
- 4:20not only done with his presidency, but you know, he's got another chapter
- 4:26left in his career at eighty one years old. So of course he's going
- 4:29to pardon Hunter Biden. So if your Hunter, you may actually be in
- 4:32the very strange position where you're kind of rooting, maybe clearly rooting for your
- 4:38dad to lose this presidential election. Now, the reaction to all this was,
- 4:44in my mind, very telling and at times hilarious. The first part
- 4:49of the reaction I want to get to was that Joe Biden, I apparently
- 4:55coincidentally and with rather poor timing, decided that he was going to go forward
- 5:00with an event to demagogue guns and to seek further gun control on the day
- 5:08where his own son was convicted for possessing a firearm that he wasn't allowed to
- 5:14and lying about it. I don't know how many Americans, especially swing voters,
- 5:18are going to make that connection, because the media didn't really make a
- 5:23big deal out of it, but it's pretty obvious and frankly, in my
- 5:28view, hilarious. And it was what Joe Biden said though, that was
- 5:32beyond absurd and put this into the realm of outrageous where Joe Biden, who
- 5:40was supposedly a moderate right back in the day, back when he was the
- 5:45Senator from Delaware, was nowhere near this crazy on issues like abortion, like
- 5:53gun control, like race. I mean, he's completely changed. He's a
- 5:58totally different person now in his old age, now that he's president. And
- 6:03he went on this diatribe about how horrible guns are, we need more sensible
- 6:10gun control, and he starts to lie flat that lie, in classic Biden
- 6:15fashion, about his background with regard to being a college professor, which is
- 6:20a total bullshare and the constitutional expert, you know, teaching the Second Amendment,
- 6:27like he has some special expertise in the Second Amendment. It's just a
- 6:30complete fantasy. But then after that he makes the argument that the Second Amendment
- 6:38is antiquated because of technology, and because of technology, it's irrelevant to try
- 6:46to keep the populace safe from the government by maintaining their right to bear arms
- 6:51because the arms that we bear today a rifle so to speak, which is
- 6:58what was the weapon of choice when the Second Amendment was written by our founding
- 7:01fathers, would be useless against the technology that the government currently possesses with regard
- 7:10to warfare. And so I want to play this clip from Joe Biden.
- 7:14First, he tells a bunch of lies. By the way, also lies
- 7:16about whether or not you can own a cannon during the Civil War. And
- 7:20I don't even know where the hell he would have gotten that idea from.
- 7:24But the crowd laughs like you know, and collapse like seals to this bs.
- 7:30But the most important part of this is at the very end. Unfortunately
- 7:33this version of the clip is slightly cut off at the end, but you'll
- 7:35get the essence of it. So here was Joe Biden lying about his background,
- 7:41lying about what the history of gun control is in this country, and
- 7:46then essentially threatening American citizens by saying, your stinking Second Amendment isn't going to
- 7:53save you against the government because we've got better weaponry, so damn important.
- 7:58We need you. We need you to overcome the relenting opposition of the gun
- 8:03lobby, gun manufacturer's, so many politicians when they opposed common sense gun legislation.
- 8:07I used to be a law when I was no longer the Vice president.
- 8:11I became a professor at the University of Pennsylvania. Before that, I
- 8:16taught a constitutional law class, and so I talked to the Second Amendment.
- 8:20There's never been a time that says you can own anything you want, and
- 8:24never you couldn't own a cannon during the Civil War. Don't sure to think
- 8:30about it. How about you hear this phrase the blood of liberty, clash
- 8:35of give me a break? Oh, I mean seriously, And by the
- 8:43way, if they want to think is to take on government if we get
- 8:46out of line, which they're talking on again about, well guess what they
- 8:50need F fifteen they don't need now. At the end of that clip,
- 8:54he basically says, you know the old Joe Biden, give me a break.
- 8:56This is all crazy. You know, there's there's no way that you
- 9:01guys could stand up against the government. I mean, that's a threat.
- 9:07That is a threat. Now he may not have fully understood what he was
- 9:09saying, but if you follow the logic, that's the president of the United
- 9:15States threatening the American public by saying, hey, look, you know your
- 9:20rifles are no match for us because we've got better weaponry. Therefore, therefore
- 9:26we should be allowed to take away your rifles. Because you know, it's
- 9:30irrelevant anyway. The whole point was a well regulated militia is important for you
- 9:37know, keeping the government in line. That's the essence, and I understand.
- 9:41I do think that was a large part of what was motivating the founders
- 9:46when they wrote the Second Amendment. But boy, my gosh, liberals hate
- 9:50the wording of that whole the Second Amendment. They really hate it. And
- 9:56you know, but it is what it is, and I think it's been
- 9:58properly interpreted, mostly by the courts. I believe in the Second Amendment.
- 10:03Even though I'm not a gun guy. We own a firearm, but I
- 10:07don't even know where the hell it is, so I'm not a gun guy,
- 10:09but I believe in the Second Amendment. But I'm most concerned with the
- 10:13idea that we've gotten to the point where a US president is frivolously talking about
- 10:20how irrelevant the Second Amendment is, because, after all, the US government
- 10:26has so much firepower, your stinking rifles aren't going to be of any use
- 10:30against us. In a weird way, he's kind of making an argument that
- 10:35we should allow even more weaponry among the citizenship, which is obviously never going
- 10:41to happen to this day and age, and probably wouldn't be a good idea.
- 10:43But if you use Biden's own logic in a rational fashion, you can
- 10:48certainly come to that conclusion. And so you know, I have great disdain
- 10:56for what Joe Biden did there. I mean, that's about as bad as
- 11:00it gets a US president essentially threatening our own populace and doing so oblivious,
- 11:09seemingly to the significance of this. Now, as far as Donald Trump's reaction
- 11:16to the Hunter Biden verdict and to the issue of the Second Amendment, I
- 11:22found his reaction on truth social and via his email list to be rather interesting.
- 11:28This was a written statement by Donald Trump in reaction to the Hunter Biden
- 11:33verdict, and this is classic Trump. But I think this is probably,
- 11:39in some ways the best version of Trump. I don't agree with everything he
- 11:45says here, but this is pretty decent giving the circumstances he wrote. Many
- 11:50people have asked me to comment on the conviction of Hunter Biden. Sleepy Joe's
- 11:54son was found guilty of lying on an application for a gun. Hunter Biden
- 11:58is it's a terrible person who has funneled millions of dollars from other countries to
- 12:03his father. We don't know that for sure, but that's what Trump is
- 12:07saying. Even so, it is hard to blame him for wanting a gun
- 12:13which he has a god given right to under the Second Amendment, probably the
- 12:18greatest amendment of them all, if we're being totally honest. I don't agree
- 12:22with that. I think the First Amendment is far more significant and much more
- 12:28clearly and better written than the Second Amendment. But okay, back to Trump's
- 12:31statement, his father, one of our worst presidents, is more concerned with
- 12:37making the gun control people happy, so we won't have the courage to step
- 12:43in here and help Hunter. Don't worry, Joe, I will save your
- 12:48son after I get elected for the third time exclamation point. And you know
- 12:56that that's kind of an interesting shot at Joe taunting him into, you know,
- 13:01my guess, pardoning his own son. I mean that politically, again,
- 13:05I don't know how many people are actually gonna get be exposed to what
- 13:07Trump said, but strategically there's something to be said for this. He's essentially
- 13:13taunting Joe Biden to pardon his own son by saying I'll pardon him. Now.
- 13:20That's a pretty good move there. I got to handle the Trump on
- 13:24that one. So, you know, basically talk about rooting for his dad
- 13:28to lose if you believe Trump, and I kind of believe Trump here.
- 13:33I think he would take great pleasure in pardoning Hunter Biden after beating his father.
- 13:39So if you're Hunter Biden, now are you really rooting for Donald Trump
- 13:43to win? Because that's the guy who could safely give you a pardon and
- 13:48either prevent you from going to prison or and whatever prison time you get sentenced
- 13:52to. I think there's some logic to that. So I didn't have a
- 13:58huge problem with Trump's response to that. Interestingly, all this is happening in
- 14:05the context of a story I talked about quite extensively in episode one hundred and
- 14:11sixty two of the Death of Journalism podcasts, which has completely disappeared, which
- 14:16is the whole notion that Trump was going to get a mistrial on his convictions
- 14:20because of what a cousin of a juror allegedly wrote on Facebook, a story
- 14:28which I told you, point blank and uncategorically with one hundred percent certitude,
- 14:35was bullshit. Well, gee, that story has just completely disappeared, just
- 14:39as if it never happened. Trump has never specifically referenced it that I'm aware
- 14:45of, and it's disappeared from the public discourse. The right wing media has
- 14:50dropped it. All those commentators that were saying last Friday evening that we were
- 14:54headed for a mistrial have just pretended that that thing never happened because they got
- 15:01duped. Either that or they were just using it for clicks. I'm never
- 15:05one hundred percent sure, but either or they were totally wrong, And I
- 15:09told you they were totally wrong, and it was as obvious as it could
- 15:13possibly be. So score one for Zig on that. My guess is we're
- 15:18never going to hear anything about that significantly ever again. Now when it comes
- 15:24to Trump. You know that I loathed the man. I've never voted for
- 15:28the man. I have considered maybe voting for him this year. I don't
- 15:33think I will because I hate his enemies maybe more than I hate him,
- 15:39and because there's literally no one else to vote for. I can't vote for
- 15:43the libertarian candidate this time around, which I have done in twenty sixteen and
- 15:46twenty twenty, because it's just such a nut job on the liberal side.
- 15:52So, you know, my opinions on Trump are well known. But if
- 15:56Trump has a strength, it's taking on issues that no one else has the
- 16:02balls to do so. And a few days ago we saw this yet again,
- 16:07and it reminded me about why it is that, you know what,
- 16:11for all his faults, maybe Trump does bring something to the table because at
- 16:18a rally just a few days ago, Donald Trump decided to wade into an
- 16:25issue that no one else has had the guts to fully address. And that
- 16:30is what happens when a boat powered by electric battery is sinking in shark infested
- 16:41waters. Because this has been gnawing at me for quite a while. When
- 16:48is somebody gonna, finally, at the presidential level, have the balls to
- 16:53take this issue head on, and there's only one man who has both the
- 16:59ball and the brains to do it, and it's Donald frickin' Trump. And
- 17:04at that's rally, he exposed the danger of this issue and how he and
- 17:11he alone has the intelligence to ask the right questions so that we as a
- 17:18society can deal with the greatest dangers facing us in twenty twenty four. And
- 17:25here's what that sounded like. So I said, let me ask you a
- 17:29question, and he said, nobody ever asked this question, and it must
- 17:33because of Mit. My relationship to Mit. Very smart, he goes,
- 17:37I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its way and you're
- 17:41in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the batteries now underwater,
- 17:48and there's a shark that's approximately ten yards over there by the way.
- 17:52A lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that a lot of shop
- 17:56I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that they
- 18:00bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were they were
- 18:04not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was. These people are great,
- 18:08he said, there's no problem with sharks. They just didn't really understand a
- 18:12young woman swimming now who really got decimated in other people to a lot of
- 18:17shark eText So I said, so there's a shark ten yards away from the
- 18:19boat ten yards or here? Do I get electrocuted? If the boat is
- 18:26sinking, water goes over the battery the boat is sinking, Do I stay
- 18:30on top of the boat and get electrocuted? Or do I jump over by
- 18:33the shark and not get electrocuted? Because I will tell you he didn't know.
- 18:37The entry said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.
- 18:40I said, I think it's a good question. I think there's a lot
- 18:41of electric current coming through that water. But you know what i'd do if
- 18:45there was a shark or you get electrocuted. I'll take electrocution every single time
- 18:51I'm not getting near the shark. Folks, I hope you enjoyed that as
- 18:56much as I did, because that's some weird ass shit right there. Thats
- 19:07bonkers as it gets, even by Trump standards, because you've got to remember,
- 19:12we are unbelievably desensitized after the last nine years of the trumplification of American
- 19:19politics. But that is some batshit crazy stuff to be talking about at a
- 19:26public political rally. I mean, there's so many elements of it that are
- 19:33just crazy. But I don't know that I could possibly do better justice to
- 19:40just how bonkers that whole situation is than a Twitter user did by the name
- 19:48of Ed Greenberger. I don't know who Ed Greenberger is, but Ed Greenberger
- 19:53tweeted out the video that I just played for you, where Trump is talking
- 20:00about the dangers of an electric powered boat sinking in shark infested waters, and
- 20:07what Ed Greenberg wrote might be the tweet of the year. I don't know,
- 20:14maybe you have a different opinion, but it's hard for me to come
- 20:17up with a good rival as of this date in twenty twenty four for tweet
- 20:22of the year. But here's what Ed Greenberger wrote. I am a single
- 20:27issue voter. What to do if you're in an electric powered boat that's sinking
- 20:36in shark infested waters? No Kennedy has ever shown this kind of mastery on
- 20:47the issue. Trump just won my vote. Oh my god, folks,
- 20:57I'm sorry, it's all just so fucking crazy. You gotta laugh, You
- 21:03gotta laugh. I mean, this is what I meant, what I said
- 21:07on Newstation that I've said on these podcasts previously that we have as our choices
- 21:12for president a president with a rotting brain, a former president with a broken
- 21:19brain, and a third party candidate who admits that his brain has been eaten
- 21:25by worms. This is where we are. This is what I mean by
- 21:29the broken Trump brain. He's I don't think he's anywhere near as far gone
- 21:34as far as age is concerned as Biden, but his brain is still broken
- 21:40and he says a lot of crazy stuff. And if they you know,
- 21:45if the right wing media had had any interest in creating the narrative that Trump
- 21:49was losing it during the primary election or what there was a primary election,
- 21:56they easily could have done so, but they had no interest in doing that
- 22:00for their own self interest, which I've documented many times in the past.
- 22:04So that's where we are in the twenty twenty four presidential election. Trump has
- 22:11really gott himself focused on the issues that really matter to people. Electric powered
- 22:18boats sinking in shark infested waters. By the way, this does kind of
- 22:23substant sheet what Stormy Daniels said about her time with Donald Trump. I don't
- 22:30know if Trump fully understands that or not, but one of the stories she
- 22:33tells is that Trump was obsessed with the shark shows on television. So the
- 22:40idea that he didn't really have an affair Stormy Daniels just took another hit as
- 22:45well. But I don't even know. I don't even know how to fully
- 22:49comprehend where we are and where Trump's brain is. And I mean, of
- 22:56all the things that he could be talking about, how that's somehow made it
- 23:00to the top of the list, I honestly have no idea. Now,
- 23:04obviously, one of the best issues for Donald Trump is not electric powered cars
- 23:11and shark infested electrotrek powered boats in shark infested waters. It's actually the issue
- 23:17of immigration, and he may have gotten a little bit of a break,
- 23:22even though this is not necessarily a good sign. It might be a good
- 23:26development, but it's not a good sign. In a news story that happened
- 23:30earlier this week where eight isis linked, illegal immigrants have been arrested after crossing
- 23:40the southern border, and the mainstream news media has even reported this, even
- 23:48somewhat honestly, they have reported this, And I don't know again how much
- 23:53impact it's going to have. How many people are going to be aware of
- 23:56it. But this is something that the border hawks have been understandably screaming about
- 24:04for quite some time. How in the world can you have seven point two
- 24:11million or whatever the hell it is. I don't think they really know people
- 24:14cross your southern border with basically no vetting and have any confidence at all that
- 24:22the people that are coming into your country illegally are not doing so in order
- 24:29to create real damage through terrorist attacks or through whatever other means. Well,
- 24:36here we have real evidence eight isis linked illegal immigrants arrested after crossing the southern
- 24:44border. And by the way, when they initially crossed the southern border,
- 24:48they were easily able to get through whatever vetting there was. So this is
- 24:53a clear cut example of the real danger. It's not just an economic and
- 25:03a cultural issue. It's a national security issue. Of course, if you're
- 25:08really on team Trump, you know the Biden team can argue, well,
- 25:14we got them and so therefore there was no actual damage done. But if
- 25:18you're using your brain, if these eight were able to get through so easily
- 25:25and we essentially got lucky and eventually got them, how many others are They're
- 25:30out there already? So I agree that this is a very very serious national
- 25:36security issue. It's also a culture issue, it's also an economic issue,
- 25:41and as far as the power of the issue of illegal immigration as a political
- 25:48force. A few days ago we saw over in Europe dramatic results in their
- 25:55elections there, and this was shocking to a lot of people. Twitter.
- 26:00Right wing Twitter was a blaze with all sorts of celebrations that Europe has now
- 26:08stemmed the tide of insanity, that the wokeness over there was going to end,
- 26:15because there had been essentially to use American terms, a red wave election,
- 26:22and that in numerous countries, for instance France, there was a shocking
- 26:29wave of anti left sentiment that resulted in what I've referred to as this red
- 26:36wave election there, and of course a lot of people are thinking, well,
- 26:41this something has changed in the world, right, that this is the
- 26:45issue that's going to trigger a similar result in the United States of America.
- 26:49And I've always been very hesitant to take trends from elsewhere in the world,
- 26:56whether it's Europe or South America, like in Argentina or anywhere else, that
- 27:02somehow that's going to be duplicated here in America. Especially pre COVID, I
- 27:07used to think we were different, but we're not very different. We did
- 27:10exactly what the hell Europe was doing, essentially, and caved almost immediately.
- 27:14I've talked about that many many times before. Even though our brand was supposed
- 27:18to be different, We're supposed to be the place of freedom and liberty,
- 27:23but that all went by the wayside. But I still think that there are
- 27:26differences culturally, socially politically in America that don't necessarily make it a done deal
- 27:37that we're going to see the same phenomenon in America, where we have obviously
- 27:41a huge illegal immigration problem as what's happening in Europe. Europe is different.
- 27:48First of all, the countries are much smaller, the geography is much smaller.
- 27:55Each of those countries has or has had its own culture, many have
- 28:02their own language, and so therefore the identity of the country I think is
- 28:12much more easily understood to be at risk in a shorter period of time throughout
- 28:21the country in places like France, then in the United States as a whole.
- 28:30And what I mean by that taking that out of the theoretical and putting
- 28:33it into the real world, into the practical. What I mean by that
- 28:36is Okay, I can see where illegal immigration is a massive issue in Arizona,
- 28:45maybe in Nevada, maybe in parts of the South, obviously in Texas.
- 28:51California is far too gone for it to matter here. And California is
- 28:56actually the ultimate example of what happens when you let it get out of control,
- 29:02because there's no coming back, there's no boomerang. The pendulum has swung
- 29:07so far it can't return, Which is why I keep saying that Trump's biggest
- 29:11mistake in twenty twenty it might be his biggest mistake in twenty twenty four is
- 29:15not running against California, because if you're not careful, the rest of the
- 29:22country is going to become California. And illegal immigration is part of that equation.
- 29:26It's not nearly all of it, but it's certainly part of it.
- 29:30And so in those places, I have no problem with people being able to
- 29:36see, holy shit, our entire identity as a culture and as a country
- 29:41is at risk here because of this illegal immigration problem. But America is a
- 29:48huge country, and is it going to matter that much in Wisconsin, in
- 29:55Michigan, in Pennsylvania. I have my dad. I understand that there are
- 30:02many people who look at this and go oh wow, this is a really
- 30:06bad problem. We need to stop it. But it's not hitting as close
- 30:11to home for them in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, mostly for simple
- 30:18geographic reasons. And so I'm not sure that the immigration issue is enough to
- 30:26put Trump over the finish line because he needs to win one of Wisconsin,
- 30:33Michigan, or Pennsylvania. That's the reality of this, and I am skeptical
- 30:41that that's going to happen, certainly not solely on the power of the issue
- 30:47of illegal immigration. This despite the fact that nationally the issue is playing very,
- 30:53very well for Donald Trump's side of this equation. There was a CBS
- 30:59poll that created quite a bit of stir and even some consternation at CBS then
- 31:03indicated just how powerful nationally this issue really is. Here's a tweet from CBS,
- 31:12and it's interesting. They even tried to downplay their own results. In
- 31:17their own tweet, they wrote a nearly six and ten majority of voters.
- 31:23That's not accurate. It's actually more than six and ten because the number they're
- 31:29referring to is sixty two percent. But they wrote a nearly six and ten
- 31:33majority of voters say they would favor in principle, a new government program to
- 31:41deport all undocumented immigrants living in the US illegally. According to a new CBS
- 31:48News poll that isn't purely partisan, it includes a third of Democrats. It
- 31:56rises to nine in ten Republicans. A similarly sized majority would have local law
- 32:04enforcement try to identify those living in the US illegally, and just under half
- 32:10support the idea of setting up large government detention centers to sort out which people
- 32:17ought to be deported. Now, these are pretty dramatic numbers. I will
- 32:23fully acknowledge that this is good news. Now it should, in my view,
- 32:29be higher than just sixty two percent. But even the way they worded
- 32:31that question, I think god a lot of people stunned that sixty two percent
- 32:38were in favor of that, because even just the word new, like so
- 32:44we're going to do something different, something new, something dramatic, and we're
- 32:49going to deport all illegal immigrants. Sixty two percent or in favor of that.
- 32:55Again, what I'd like to know is what are those numbers in Wisconsin,
- 33:00Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I doubt that they're at sixty two percent.
- 33:07Sixty two percent gets you know, over the finish line. If you're Trump,
- 33:12if it's fifty percent or somewhere around there, that doesn't get you across
- 33:15the finish line, because not every single person that believes that is going to
- 33:20vote for you simply because of it. But it's obviously an issue where Trump
- 33:24benefits, even though I would argue that Trump doesn't really deserve that much credit
- 33:30on this issue because he was I hate to break this to you, but
- 33:35he was already president once and he didn't build his fucking wall, and he
- 33:39didn't deport nearly everybody that he said he was going to deport. There was
- 33:44no great deportation force because he wimped out. He went out on both fronts.
- 33:51And this was his number one issue in twenty sixteen. So let's not
- 33:54forget he was president. He had a shot at this, and you know,
- 34:00here we are now seven years later, and we'ren't way worse shape.
- 34:05Now. Obviously Biden's hugely responsible for that. But why is Biden president?
- 34:10Because Trump fucked up and gave him the presidency. I mean so in my
- 34:15view, you know, the presidency is supposed to be eight years, So
- 34:21you know, we're seven plus years after Trump's election, and our illegal immigration
- 34:25problem is way worse than when Trump got elected. Trump interrational world shouldn't have
- 34:30to take some responsibility for that. But for whatever reason, he's teflon on
- 34:36this issue. And I fully acknowledge that this is about his most potent political
- 34:43weapon in this election, because the contrast is so obvious, and because people
- 34:49see the pictures of people coming across the border of the stats are overwhelming,
- 34:54you know, the arrest of eight isis linked illegal immigrants. He helps this
- 35:00narrative. But even at CBS they were a bit taken aback by all this.
- 35:06And here's a clip of CBS's polling director talking with news anchor or host
- 35:14Margaret Brennan. Margaret Brennan got a lot of flak online because she's kind of
- 35:20stunned and confused by the results of this poll. And I understand why people
- 35:27were focusing on her reaction to this. I do think it was a bit
- 35:30telling about her real beliefs on this, and she tries in this clip,
- 35:36you're about to hear brings up some I think kind of bogus points about,
- 35:39you know, children and whether it's illegal to do what people want to have
- 35:45happen. But mostly people were interested in the fact that she's just stunned and
- 35:52confused by the results of CBS's own poll. And here's what that sounded like.
- 35:58You know, we have a lot of the campaign rhetoric speaking of what
- 36:00people say they would do. You'd seen the Trump campaign talking about mass deportations.
- 36:07We tested that in a general way, in principle, would you support
- 36:10a new government program that would deport all people living in the US illegally?
- 36:15And that finds majority favor, That finds six and ten. It's strongest among
- 36:21folks who are maga, It's strongest among Trump supporters, but also from some
- 36:24Democrats as well. And I think that that speaks to the general idea not
- 36:30just the people see the border as a crisis, but also where we are
- 36:32in the campaign, where a lot of very dramatic or new proposals out there
- 36:39are finding favor. Here, So unpack that a bit, because this sixty
- 36:43two percent of Americans favored deporting all undocumented immigrants. So Homeland Security says that
- 36:51President Biden has already deported or repatriated more people in the past year than any
- 36:57year since twenty ten. And then depending on the details of what's talked about
- 37:01on the campaign trail, some of what mister Trump talks about could be illegal.
- 37:06It doesn't seem practical in some sense to round up children. And then
- 37:12we know that the courts have questioned whether local authorities would have the ability to
- 37:16do it, and federal authorities don't have the resources. So what exactly do
- 37:21people think they're supporting. Well, when you measure public sentiment on this,
- 37:24or really just about any policy, you're getting a sense of direction. You're
- 37:29getting broad brushstrokes. But those kinds of details, well, that's often up
- 37:34to the legislatures and the courts. Later on, we tested even the idea
- 37:37of should local law enforcement be involved in this, and a lot of folks
- 37:42do say yes. Again, the details of that, the specifics, you're
- 37:45not going to pick that up and aggregate public opinion. They weren't tracking the
- 37:50Supreme Court decisions, undoubtedly not. But look, it does tell you,
- 37:53though, for the viewer watching this campaign, that what we're seeing here connects
- 37:58to whether it's the court what some people say is the politicization of the court,
- 38:04these ideas of mass deportations, et cetera. We are in a different
- 38:08era in which a lot of folks say the system as a whole is not
- 38:14working, and all of these, if you connect the dots through them,
- 38:16are part of that reaction against it, which explains some of that general sentiment
- 38:22for some of these policies. It's really just kind of a do something.
- 38:25Now. I agree with those who say that that was telling on behalf of
- 38:30Margaret Brennan, where she is essentially indicating that she would be very much against
- 38:36with the public view on illegal immigration is. But she does have a little
- 38:42bit of a point. And part of why I think she has a little
- 38:45bit of a point is because what I've already said about Trump having had his
- 38:50chance and proving that none of this is really feasible. And I think that's
- 38:54what she's searching for. She's trying to understand, well, they can't really
- 38:58be serious, right because this is just not going to happen, and Trump
- 39:02proved that this isn't gonna happen. Unfortunately, I would be in support of
- 39:07much of what Trump claimed he was gonna do. It's one of the reasons
- 39:12I don't like Trump is even on the good stuff, he never did what
- 39:14he was supposed to do, what he said he was gonna do. I
- 39:16mean, every freaking rally he held it was build the wall, build the
- 39:20wall. And he didn't build the wall, even though he was offered the
- 39:23opportunity to do so when he had the House and the Senate in Republican control.
- 39:28There are no excuses for this, except you know, Maga world just
- 39:31pretends that that never happened, and so she's kind of right. I mean,
- 39:37the reality is here's here's the reality of this. And the view of
- 39:42the Margaret Brennan's of the world is part of why this can never happen,
- 39:46because if it ever did, what would happen in the media. The media
- 39:52would bombard us with pictures of children. See that's the problem. And and
- 40:00those that are in favor of illegal immigration getting out of control, they know
- 40:04this, They know this is the ultimate weapon. Americans would be fine with,
- 40:12you know, twenty five year old guys with tattoos who don't speak English,
- 40:19who are here illegally and look kind of rough them getting deported. But
- 40:25you can't do it that way. It's not logistically or politically plausible, especially
- 40:31once you bring kids into the equation, because what do you do. You
- 40:37can't separate the kids, right, I mean, politically you can't do that.
- 40:43And the only other option is to deport the kids as well. And
- 40:47the media knows that this is the great vulnerability, because that sixty two percent
- 40:53number would plummet immediately, especially among the Democrats, with pictures of crying children
- 41:02and mothers being kicked out of the country. It's just not going to happen.
- 41:08The problem has gotten too large, The cancer has taken over the host.
- 41:14There's just no way to exercise the cancer, especially when you have a
- 41:19media that will one hundred percent be on the side of those who want them
- 41:27to stay and don't want them to be kicked out of the country. So,
- 41:30yes, sixty two percent is a healthy number of Americans who are in
- 41:36favor in theory of deporting illegal immigrants. But Margaret Brennan is actually pretty close
- 41:44to the reality of this, much more so than conservatives want to admit.
- 41:47And Trump proved that in the first term, where he didn't do what he
- 41:53said he was going to do, largely because I don't think he wanted the
- 41:58political headache that would be caused, especially with regard to deportations. Why he
- 42:02didn't ever fully build the wall, I don't understand. I don't get it.
- 42:07I mean that it was his whole stick and how he was never held
- 42:10accountable. Thank god. In a rational world, that alone would have prevented
- 42:15him from winning the twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination. Your entire campaign in
- 42:22twenty sixteen was based on build the wall, and you had the opportunity to
- 42:27do so, a historic opportunity, and you didn't do so. And now
- 42:31we're being overrun because you didn't build your fucking wall, and because you gave
- 42:36up the presidency to a guy who's open borders. And yet somehow Trump not
- 42:42only won the Republican nomination, he won it easily so well. I think
- 42:47the Brennan reaction is interesting. I think she actually, kind of inadvertently at
- 42:52least has a point. Thanks for listening to today's free drop of the abbreviated
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