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Ken Rosenthal's Inside Scoop: MacKenzie Gore trade, Freddy Peralta deal, Framber & Scherzer thoughts · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's the inside scoop with that FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this Mackenzie Gore trade. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers and what you think you know it does
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  Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty six team and how this deal
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  Speaker 1: breaks down for them. They didn't give up their tippy
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  Speaker 1: top prospect in this one right.
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  Speaker 2: For the Rangers, this is a move that is somewhat
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  Speaker 2: surprising because it's a win now move for a team
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  Speaker 2: that was intensely disappointing last season, a team that is
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  Speaker 2: not able to spend a lot of money because of
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  Speaker 2: the uncertainty with their TV revenue and some other factors
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  Speaker 2: as well. So I don't know that anyone anticipated the
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  Speaker 2: Rangers being an aggressive player, but here they are, and
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  Speaker 2: this is a move that when you put Mackenzie Gore
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  Speaker 2: with Jacob de Gram and some of the others in
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  Speaker 2: their rotation, it starts to look like a pretty impressive group.
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  Speaker 2: Nathan Valdi, the whole gang. That is where it starts
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The question with the Rangers last year was what their offense.
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  Speaker 2: They did not produce offensively. They were incredibly disappointing. They're
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  Speaker 2: counting on bouncebacks from a number of their younger players,
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  Speaker 2: improvements from those players, and we'll see where this goes
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  Speaker 2: for them. But it's a move that in their minds,
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  Speaker 2: they had to make because they want to compete. Chris Young,
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  Speaker 2: their president baseball operations, is incredibly competitive. He was as
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  Speaker 2: a player, he is as an executive, and in their view,
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  Speaker 2: they're not giving up the cream of their farm system.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you mention this, Scott. It's five guys, but
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  Speaker 2: as JJ Cooper just said too, it's a group that
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  Speaker 2: probably lacks a carrying piece, as they call it, a headliner.
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  Speaker 2: Fien is that, of course, first rounder last year, twelfth
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  Speaker 2: pick overall, but he's a high school draft and Rosario, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was extremely talented and was considered a top one
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  Speaker 2: hundred guy before he got hurt, but didn't pitch last year,
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  Speaker 2: and as JJ said, it's not going to pitch for
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  Speaker 2: the next two seasons or at least into twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: as well. So they viewed these guys as far away
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  Speaker 2: from the majors. Obviously some of them could come back
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  Speaker 2: to haunt them in the future, but they just didn't
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  Speaker 2: see this deal as one that would preclude them from
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  Speaker 2: going forward. They predicted their top prospect, the infielder Sebastian Walcott.
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  Speaker 2: They like this deal, and I like it for them.
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  Speaker 2: For the Nationals, yeah, I understand the quantity versus quality argument,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly that is one that surfaced here among industry people.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the kind of deal too that you want
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  Speaker 2: to see them making, even if it's quantity, even if
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  Speaker 2: they only end up with let's say, being a quality
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  Speaker 2: Major leaguer and another guy being something of a contributor. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's not great for two years of Mackenzie Gore, but
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  Speaker 2: Mackenzie Gore is not flaw as either, and he had
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  Speaker 2: a horrible second half last year. He's had injury history,
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  Speaker 2: So I get it from the Nationals perspective too.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's hard to grade trades because we don't
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  Speaker 3: know what anybody's gonna do. But do you feel like
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  Speaker 3: the market saw mcken's gore as the All star that
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  Speaker 3: he was in the first half, somebody that could have
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  Speaker 3: been a top five or even top three cy young
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  Speaker 3: candidate had he continued that first half, or did they
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  Speaker 3: see him for what His career numbers are pretty much
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  Speaker 3: an average ERA plus type of contributor to the rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Eric, He's certainly a guy with a ton of upside.
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  Speaker 2: We all know that at his best he is really good.
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  Speaker 2: But there are performance questions, there are health questions. It's
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  Speaker 2: two years of control, it's not three, and it's two
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  Speaker 2: years of control with the twenty twenty seven season possibly
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  Speaker 2: being compromised by a lockout. So he was valued perhaps
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  Speaker 2: a little bit lower than I thought when you compare
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  Speaker 2: it to Peralta. Paralta brought the Brewers, along with Tobias Myners,
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  Speaker 2: the two top one hundred guys that we've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: je Williams and Brandon Sprote. Okay, it's not as good
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  Speaker 2: a return, and that was only one year of control
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  Speaker 2: with Peralta, but Parolta has been the better pitcher. He's
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  Speaker 2: also eight million night this year. I know Gore is
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  Speaker 2: lower than that, but he might be higher than it
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  Speaker 2: next year. So could the Nationals have done better? We
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  Speaker 2: can argue this till we're blue in the face, but
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  Speaker 2: we won't know for three, four or five years just
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  Speaker 2: how this all turned out.
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  Speaker 4: Now they get Gore. Two questions for you, do you
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  Speaker 4: see them going after anybody else? And if so, what
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  Speaker 4: position do you think they really need, And how do
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  Speaker 4: you think they stack up now in the West with
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  Speaker 4: you know, a Seattle and a Houston team that are
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  Speaker 4: always going to be in the mix.
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  Speaker 2: Todd, It all depends on how guys like Josh Young
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  Speaker 2: and Wyatt Langford and all of these younger players emerge
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  Speaker 2: for them and take the next step. If some of
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  Speaker 2: them take the next step and the pitching holds together
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  Speaker 2: injury free, sure they have a chance to be pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: What else might they do? I would think that they're
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  Speaker 2: still active looking for bullpen help. All teams are, for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, and that is an area where they've
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  Speaker 2: taken some hits, taken some defections. So obviously I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that I see them at the level of Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: and I do expect Seattle to make one big move
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  Speaker 2: before this spring begins. But the Rangers are better than
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  Speaker 2: they worry yesterday, and it's a trade that it was
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  Speaker 2: impressive because, again Todd, I did not necessarily see them
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  Speaker 2: doing anything big this offseason. It seemed like they're one
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  Speaker 2: of these teams that was kind of in a holding
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  Speaker 2: pattern and this was a win now move.
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  Speaker 1: Ken one more on this or there's some chatter in
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  Speaker 1: the chat right now about if the Rangers should be
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  Speaker 1: in win now mode. And then also some semi legacy
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  Speaker 1: talk about Chris Young. I'll just chime in real quick
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  Speaker 1: with my opinion, Yes, when now you have some aging
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  Speaker 1: vets and you've got a rotation that looks like it
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  Speaker 1: can compete. And then also, I mean, see why I
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  Speaker 1: won a World Series a few years ago. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: given him a big purse to spend since then, so
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  Speaker 1: I think he's done a damn good job.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting in checking around and asking people about
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  Speaker 2: this trade. Yesterday I had an executive tell me, see
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  Speaker 2: why is really good Chris Young? That he's made only
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  Speaker 2: one trade that you can consider a whiff, Cole Reagan's
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  Speaker 2: for Eroldish Chapman. And I wouldn't even consider that a
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  Speaker 2: whiff myself. Rangers won a World Series that year with
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  Speaker 2: Eroldist Chapman contributing. Obviously, Cole Reagan's became a top sy
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  Speaker 2: young finisher, top five finisher within a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they anticipated that, but no GM
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  Speaker 2: has a perfect track record. And this executive's point was
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  Speaker 2: that Chris Young generally trades the right guys that guys
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  Speaker 2: do not come back to haunt him. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: he was confident that the Rangers would do well in
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  Speaker 2: this deal because he didn't see this package and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people don't see this package as being an
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  Speaker 2: overwhelming package in terms of sheer, upside and quality. But
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  Speaker 2: we'll see how it turns out. But certainly, Chris Young is,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, intensely competitive. He's also a guy who
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  Speaker 2: has drawn respect in the game for what he's accomplished
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  Speaker 2: in his relatively brief time as a GM.
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  Speaker 4: I want to go from one Young to the next.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll talk about Jacob Young, another guy with the
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  Speaker 4: Nationals too, Like, is this a guy they're gonna want
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  Speaker 4: to move here or is this somebody that can stick
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  Speaker 4: with this team for I think he's there at least
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  Speaker 4: for four more years under contract. What do you think
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  Speaker 4: about him? I mean, another really good part.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure what to think Todd elite defender Jacob Young,
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  Speaker 2: no question about that, And he is drawing some interest.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it's the old are they shopping or are they
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  Speaker 2: just listening question, It's the one that baffles me the
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  Speaker 2: entire offseason. Every offseason. Teams will say we're just listening.
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  Speaker 2: Other teams will say they're shopping him. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: exactly where Young falls in that discussion. He's certainly a
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  Speaker 2: guy that has been a popular name among other teams,
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  Speaker 2: and he's certainly a guy too that you can see
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  Speaker 2: them moving. They've got Lyles, they've got Cruise, they've got
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  Speaker 2: Robert Hassel, and of course they have James Wood, so
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  Speaker 2: they're not exactly short on outfielders, but Jacob Young fits
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  Speaker 2: in that mix as well when you have the DH
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  Speaker 2: in as a possibility. So I don't know where they're
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  Speaker 2: going with this exactly. You remember all off season they've
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  Speaker 2: talked about how we think our players are going to
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  Speaker 2: improve with the systems we're putting in place, but the
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  Speaker 2: instructions we're bringing in this is under Paul Taboni's new regime,
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  Speaker 2: and it all sounds great and yeah, I believe it,
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  Speaker 2: but obviously it just traded one of the people that
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  Speaker 2: you thought was going to be benefiting from your instruction,
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  Speaker 2: and that was Mackenzie Gore.
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  Speaker 3: Fair, that's fair. What about the Freddy Pea trade? The
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  Speaker 3: Freddy Pea trade, now you wrote about how the I
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  Speaker 3: think it was the Padres Rangers Astros to an extent,
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  Speaker 3: and the Twins I think I'm missing a team that
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  Speaker 3: we're all in in varying degrees. Can you rank those
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  Speaker 3: varying degrees, Not in a sense of like you know
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  Speaker 3: exactly who wanted them the most, but in the sense of,
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  Speaker 3: like what teams had enough to get The Brewers peaked
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  Speaker 3: interest considering they got Jet Williams and they got Brandon
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  Speaker 3: sprote for Freddy p.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are other teams in the mix as well,
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  Speaker 2: and we had written about them previously. The Red Sox,
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees, the Giants, and the Mets ultimately met the
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  Speaker 2: price where other teams did not. Now, I would not
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  Speaker 2: have seen the Minnesota Twins being involved at this level
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  Speaker 2: when they're not really going to be that competitive this year.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing well, I think, to hold their team together
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  Speaker 2: and not trade any of the big pieces, but I
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  Speaker 2: would have been surprised to see them take on a
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  Speaker 2: rental like Freddy Peralta. The Rangers obviously were in the
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  Speaker 2: starting pitching market as we see now, and I could
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  Speaker 2: see where they were thinking along the same lines as
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  Speaker 2: they were with Gore. Let's get a guy to help
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  Speaker 2: us win, and help us win in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: The Padres are always lurking on every available player. They're
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  Speaker 2: always on every available player, and yes, they too need
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  Speaker 2: starting pitching, but their system is a little bit down
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  Speaker 2: from where it was earlier. Now, aj Pereller always finds
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  Speaker 2: players and comes up with others to trade. I expect
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  Speaker 2: that he could figure it out, but again, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that they were going to be at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the line here with the Mets seemingly were the
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  Speaker 2: most persistent and the most persistent for a reason. They've
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  Speaker 2: got money, they've got prospects, and they have the ability
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  Speaker 2: also to extend Freddy Peralta if indeed this works out
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  Speaker 2: well for them.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, TV uncertainty this is the next topic that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about, because the Reds are one
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  Speaker 3: of the teams that, oh, we're not one hundred percent sure.
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  Speaker 3: A few months ago they did offer Kyle Schwarber quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit of money, and their TV uncertainty to me,
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  Speaker 3: feels like a crutch. While a legitimate crutch, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like a crutch that you're leaning on this season with
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  Speaker 3: the uncertainty not to be resolved for another three years
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  Speaker 3: if I'm correct, right, So, how long is this going
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  Speaker 3: to be something that we can have teams constantly lean
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  Speaker 3: on like the Reds.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the uncertainty is not going to last three years.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to figure this out in probably short order now. Granted,
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  Speaker 2: the national television contracts come up in three years, and
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  Speaker 2: then what Manfred has talked about doing as commissioner is
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  Speaker 2: hopefully getting them all under one umbrella, the local teams contracts,
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  Speaker 2: and Major League Baseball has gone a long way toward
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  Speaker 2: doing that, and perhaps the Reds and some of the
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  Speaker 2: other teams there are nine of them at all that
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  Speaker 2: have been associated with Main Street as a company, they
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  Speaker 2: will end up under MLB's umbrella. I'm sure some of
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  Speaker 2: them will. Some of them may do things on their own.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the position the Reds are in now. Is
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  Speaker 2: it a crutch? I guess you can interpret.
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  Speaker 1: It that way.
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  Speaker 2: But Schwarber from the start was always going to be
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  Speaker 2: an exception for them. There was money for Kyle Schwarber
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  Speaker 2: that was not money that they were just going to
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  Speaker 2: redistribute if they did not sign him. And the reason
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  Speaker 2: for that is that Kyle Schwarber is from Middletown, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy they felt would sell tickets and really
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  Speaker 2: make a financial difference for them others that they're interested in,
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  Speaker 2: and whether it's Ajohana Suarez, Miguel Andrew Harr, Austin Hayes,
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  Speaker 2: whichever hitter you might pick, they're not the same level
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  Speaker 2: of performer as Kylee Schwarber and they certainly didn't bring
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  Speaker 2: that box office element. So is it an excuse? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I guess you can say it's an excuse. But if
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  Speaker 2: the front office had the money available, they would spend it,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't have it available. It seems to me, what.
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  Speaker 3: Are you hearing about Max Scherzer. Does a guy who
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  Speaker 3: pitched really well in pivotal games in the World Series
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  Speaker 3: need to be a guy that possibly would go on
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  Speaker 3: a Roger Clemens type of deal where he starts twenty games,
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  Speaker 3: but he only starts in June for a team Like
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  Speaker 3: is that something that is a Max choice or is
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  Speaker 3: that something that seems to be more of a baseball choice.
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  Speaker 2: It's more a market choice. And I spoke with Max
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and he emphasized to me that he's ready to
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  Speaker 2: go right now in training all winter. He's healthy if
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  Speaker 2: the right team calls, and there are only a number
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  Speaker 2: of teams that he's interested in. A certain number, then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they'll sign up tomorrow the right call, with the right offer.
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  Speaker 2: But if that doesn't happen, if one of his preferred
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  Speaker 2: teams does not see a spot for him right now,
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  Speaker 2: he is willing to wait until after the season starts
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  Speaker 2: to sign then, knowing that injuries will occur, guys won't
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  Speaker 2: perform the way teams think. There's always a need for
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  Speaker 2: a starting pitcher in May and June, even before that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how he's playing this. And he can afford
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  Speaker 2: to be choosy, both at a financial sense and in
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  Speaker 2: a playing career sense, and that's where he is. So
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  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if he signed tomorrow, and
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  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if he didn't sign until
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  Speaker 2: sometime in May. He has those options available to him,
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  Speaker 2: or at least he thinks he will later, and that's
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  Speaker 2: how he's going to play this. And at his age,
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  Speaker 2: with what he's accomplished, I can see the logic.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Ken, last one for you, and I know it's
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  Speaker 1: a loaded question. We don't have to get in to
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  Speaker 1: all of the details, but your colleague Evan Drelik's article
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  Speaker 1: about how someone who's in on the owner talk said
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  Speaker 1: the final straw was Kyle Tucker. Now we are going
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  Speaker 1: lockout no matter what. I guess, Hey, we might never
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  Speaker 1: have baseball again after this coming season, so we should
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. But just curious to get your thoughts to me,
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  Speaker 1: like at this point, Yes, we're definitely going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this over the next year, but I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting sick of like this is the ultimate solution. Look
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  Speaker 1: at the NFL AFC Championship game past fifteen years. Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: of Patriots that went viral last night until someone was
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  Speaker 1: forced to take it down. Anyway, your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, First of all, what Evan wrote was that the
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  Speaker 2: Tucker thing is what's going to trigger a salary cap
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  Speaker 2: offer from the owners. The lockout was inevitable well before
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker. The owner's pushing a salary cap was inevitable
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  Speaker 2: well before Kyle Tucker. Now we can debate, and we
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  Speaker 2: will be debating for the next I don't know, eleven
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  Speaker 2: months or so, the value of a cap versus tweaking
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  Speaker 2: the currency. And that's a debate that fans are eager
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  Speaker 2: to have. According to Major League Baseball, it's a debate
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  Speaker 2: the owners are certainly willing to have and enjoy talking
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  Speaker 2: about the players want no part of a cap, and
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  Speaker 2: in my view, I'm going to be consistent with this.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that this sport can function quite well with
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  Speaker 2: tweaks and maybe major tweaks to the current system. There
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  Speaker 2: are things you can do to not eliminate the revenue's
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  Speaker 2: disparity that's never going to happen, but to lessen the
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  Speaker 2: impact of that revenue disparity, and there's various forms and
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  Speaker 2: levers you can pull to help that along. You talk
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: about a salary cap, well, it comes to the salary floor.
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  Speaker 2: The two things are intertwined. And we all know a
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  Speaker 2: floor would be good for the game in the eyes
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  Speaker 2: of many, because it would force some of these teams
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  Speaker 2: to actually spend their revenue sharing money. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know that that's necessary if you do some other
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  Speaker 2: things to kind of juice this along. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: word the debate whether a salary cap would be good
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  Speaker 2: for the sport or not. I can understand the debate.
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  Speaker 2: But the other factor here is if the owners seek
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  Speaker 2: to impose a salary cap, we're likely going to have
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  Speaker 2: maybe a long work stoppage, maybe we lose part or
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  Speaker 2: all of twenty twenty seven I don't believe it's going
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  Speaker 2: to come to that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe the.
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  Speaker 2: Owners are dumb enough, honestly, to lose a whole season
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  Speaker 2: or even a major part of a season when you're
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  Speaker 2: in a position right now as healthy as the sport
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  Speaker 2: has been in quite some time, quite some time. So
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  Speaker 2: you want to play that game, Go play that game.
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  Speaker 2: See how that fares with your franchise values. But to
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  Speaker 2: get back to the fan question and the question of
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  Speaker 2: revenue disparity, yes, that is a problem. It is a
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  Speaker 2: problem that needs to be addressed. I would just argue
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  Speaker 2: and will argue that it does not need to be
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  Speaker 2: addressed through a salary cap. You can do it in
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  Speaker 2: other ways.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the time. Thank Scott we Hip hopping up
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  Speaker 1: or down here bet MGM futures Orioles. Last year Todd
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  Speaker 1: father was the low guy on the Orioles and he
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  Speaker 1: nailed it. But this year it's a different team. It's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a very different team, and there is a way to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: buy value in the offseason. The Oils are at eighty
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: five and a half a half if you're taking the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: over or the under. Now, they're probably going to add
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: another player that could help this. They might add two
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: more that could help this number. What do we think?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I gotta go right to you first, Todd Father. You
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you this was like a lock for you last year,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: and you were so on the money. People were like, well,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be that good, but they'll make
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. You were like, Nope, they're not even making
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the playoffs.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: No, I was right, man alive. They did some really
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: nice things this offseason. I gotta give them credit. Man, Listen,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I can go back this year. It's a new year.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking. I'm just thinking of who who they got
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: to apply? Man I America East.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: It's a good one, you, Darren.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I think they're right around this number. I think this
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: is a spectacular number. Do they find ways to beat
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the Rockies and sweep them to get the eighty six?
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: I say they do. Eighty six is the number over.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Royals make the playoffs, the Orioles make the playoffs.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Royals by two. New Ballpark, right, little tweets.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Try and beat that, mister turnover.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I like the over. I liked it before Todd said it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Here we go like. I like the over. I think
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the I think the division is going to be so tough.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm not throwing. You can you can see
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: my slips. Anyone that I feel is confident. We've had
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: a few confident over unders for the wins, so hard.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: This one's not. This one's not. I feel like I'm
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: not confident on this one. But I think it is
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: the over. I think the addition of Alonso. I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the addition of Ward, like and if you say you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: got rid of Grace Rodriguez, I don't like that, but
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: he didn't give you anything last year because he was hurt.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So to me, those two additions. I'm not sure how
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: many homer's Pete had, but I know Ward had over
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: thirty four, thirty nine something like that. You're almost talking
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: about eighty plus Homers that you're adding to your lineup,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and you already have MVP candidate in Gunnar Henderson. So yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: they're gonna score some runs. I'm definitely choosing the over
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: in some games with the Orioles. This year, Bradish returns
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: to form. Wells Rogers has to continue what he's doing.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: What he did last year was pretty astronomical. Maybe comes
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: down to earth a little bit. But do they add
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: one more piece if they add Framber? This is why
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I want to take the over because I do believe
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: they're going to add a gallon of Framber. I don't
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: think there's that high end piece to trade for yet.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Is Paveta out there?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Does that give me a lot of confidence?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I like Paveta, But to me, Frambur and Gallon should
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: be the or Framber or Gallon should be the move.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And now that number, I think that number automatically goes
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: higher than eighty five. So I buy it low right
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: now at eighty five.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Agreed. I like it, and I think it's going to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: tick up a point or two a win or two
• 20:27
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• 20:30
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