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The Thin Blue Line & The Brame Family · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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He deemed the victims claim not sustained, which is a really polite way of saying we don't
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believe you and also we don't care.
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Like what does that even mean?
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Actually, this is what it means.
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He had the thin blue line to protect him from any harm, even if just to his reputation.
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Deserved or not.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where
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we chat about true crime.
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The paranormal and all things creepy and other witchy stuff and whatever we really feel
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like, frankly, in the Pacific Northwest.
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Or the PNW if you're nasty.
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You know what else is nasty?
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Oh, what?
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A tarot reading.
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Oh, and we do those.
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We do those.
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We do those at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic for
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the day.
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We do.
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So I guess before I get into it, you know, what kind of mood are you in?
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Are you feeling over there?
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What kind of mood should I be in?
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No, I'm just looking for a baseline.
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I was feeling pretty good.
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Not like great, not like bad.
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Oh, okay.
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Good.
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Cool.
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Well, if you're not angry by the end of this, then I'm just going to have to assume you weren't
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listening.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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She's like, great.
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Okay.
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Test.
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There will be a test at the end.
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Okay.
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Someone to pop quiz.
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Focus, Cassie.
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Or is there?
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All right.
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So we don't do this a ton.
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So hopefully this is all the warning that anybody who, you know, listens with regularity
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will need, but trigger warning for domestic violence, coercion, both psychological and
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sexual, as well as the emotional abuse of children and also that of a spousal relationship.
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And if you're sensitive about any of the aforementioned, should be super understandable, or
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about corruption and brutality at the hands of law enforcement, this is going to be a pretty
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rough one.
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Okay.
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She's like, I actually just remembered I have a thing.
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I have a thing.
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I will see later or I will see you in another time.
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Oh, what's that thing?
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My uber, see?
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Oh, yeah.
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I almost wore that tank top today.
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That's funny.
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Oh, well, you're not allowed to catch an uber.
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Fine.
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All right.
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I'm ready to get pissed.
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Yes.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Tacoma police chief David Brame kept a picture in his office.
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A framed portrait of Al Pacino from his role as Michael Corleone in the cult classic The
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Godfather.
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Hmm.
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I'm sure that having him on my wall or can you picture the portrait?
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I've never seen that movie.
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I mean, I think I've seen parts of it.
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I don't know that I've actually sat down and watched it like all the way through.
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I know what he looks like older.
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I'm assuming he was younger than that or was he older than that?
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He is younger than that.
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That's a pretty old movie.
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Who does he play in that?
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Michael Corleone.
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I've very said I was like, she literally just said it.
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Yeah, it doesn't help because I don't know.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I need you to like mobster guys, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So here's what I'm going to do.
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I don't think it's this portrait, but very similar.
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I'm assuming I will see if I can just air drop this.
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Oh, that's it?
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Yeah.
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You feel like the main character?
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Wow, that's really young.
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That's quite dashing.
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Maybe I should watch the movie.
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She's like, I'm going home and I'm watching the Godfather.
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Wait a minute.
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You didn't tell me there was a handsome man in it.
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Did you think that it was about like a Godfather like at the church being like there for the
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baptism or?
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No, I knew what it was about.
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You know, I watched Gilmore Girls and they watched that on Gilmore Girls.
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So it's kind of like I watched this.
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Basically the same.
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I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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All right.
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So now you know.
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Okay.
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No, no.
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Thank you.
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I'm informed.
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Yes.
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The portrait was a gift.
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Apparently part of an inside joke amongst him and a bunch of his cop buddies, which is I'm not
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going to lie, that was an immediate red flag for me because I don't know a lot of cops that
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would be like, yeah, I'm going to hang that on my wall.
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Yeah.
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If they did the legal stuff in that movie, right?
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Yeah, like quite a bit.
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It's like kind of the whole thing.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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All them.
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Weird.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, sincerely - XOXO "The Clitorati"
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I like it.
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I just hate that.
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I just hate that.
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I mean, they would never like use like a term that downplays that for a woman.
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Yeah.
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And be like, seriously?
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Yeah.
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So why, why, why are met and why are we excusing men?
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Do you know why?
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No.
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I know why.
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Why?
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Also Taylor Swift knows why.
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Huh.
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Because the play is going to play.
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Well, that's.
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Play is going to play.
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No.
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No.
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He was a man destined for success in all avenues, seemingly.
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He was the classic high school sports star turned small time local celebrity.
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I could see that.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, we had to pause from my audible I roll.
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After graduating from Lincoln high school, he followed in his father's footsteps as a
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second generation law enforcement officer.
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When he joined the force in 1981, it wasn't just his father already established in law
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enforcement.
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He joined three other family members already serving with a badge.
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Whoo.
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It's a cop family.
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Beneath his shiny all American hometown hero exterior, there were a few.
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Cobwebs.
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He needs a swiffer Duster.
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Yeah, they were real big spiders.
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Brame's start in law enforcement.
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Perhaps hadn't been the easiest.
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He took three psychological evaluations before he was deemed eligible.
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Was he deemed eligible on the third one or on the fourth one?
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's a little unclear.
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It's kind of neither here nor there in the end.
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But yeah.
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There's a lot of follow up questions.
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Few new or noticed.
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Braim had also submitted what some job screeners called a questionable list of personal references
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that were incomplete and misleading.
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He still got the job.
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Of course he did.
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He is a white man.
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That's probably fine.
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Yeah.
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As chief, he seemed to take after the man who hung on his wall, promoting those he favored
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and ensuring that those he didn't were too fearful to move against him.
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Yikes.
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Which is definitely what you want when someone's in a position of power.
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Yeah.
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You have to be feared.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise you're just going to get someone else is going to take power, right?
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Exactly.
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It reminds me of actually, and it's funny and the story is not funny, but I just pictured
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that scene where Michael Scott, they were asking him, do you want people to love you or fear
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you?
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And he's like, I want people to be afraid of how much they love me.
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People were actually afraid of saying anything against him or trying to bring attention to
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anything that he might be doing wrong, and that apparently included far more serious crimes,
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including that one time that he was accused of rape.
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I forgot you were talking about that shit.
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Yeah.
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Man.
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The 1988 internal investigations complaint was kept relatively quiet by the department.
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So remember, this is well prior to him becoming the chief also.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Then chief Ray Fetland, which it's like a Finnish name, so there's like F's and J's.
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I'm just guessing at the pronunciation there.
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He deemed the victims claim not sustained.
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Which is a really polite way of saying we don't believe you and also we don't care.
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Like, what does that even mean?
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Actually, this is what it means.
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He had the thin blue line to protect him from any harm, even if just to his reputation,
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deserved or not.
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A frightening departmental cover up has come to light years since.
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Reportedly, a fellow police officer stated that Braim had admitted to the rape.
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This fellow officer agreed not to speak up if Braim went for counseling.
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Which is particularly upsetting given the fact that a detective who investigated the case
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in question stated there was definitely there was definitely enough evidence to sustain
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a charge despite what the chief said at the time.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Put a pin in that for now because it wasn't his only overtly sexual misconduct.
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Oh, I can't imagine that would be it.
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Yeah.
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Usually, we don't.
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Yeah, it's kind of a...
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Becomes a pattern far too often?
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A female officer, a single mother of a six-year-old daughter, detailed numerous conversations
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both in person and over the phone, including in her off-duty time, that occurred as a means
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of trying to coerce her into having group sex with him and his wife.
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Was his wife involved?
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Yes and no.
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I think we're going to have a little bit of an opportunity to revisit that in greater
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detail.
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So interesting.
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Yeah.
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Did I mention that she was also trying to make detective?
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Hmm.
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I don't think you did.
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Yeah.
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If you did it, it went over my head.
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I didn't.
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I'm...
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I...
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Like, I literally put it in my notes.
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Did I mention?
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I don't know.
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I can't trust my own brain.
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I mean, that's fair.
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Same.
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God.
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Yeah.
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So, of course, he is like trying to...
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Yep.
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And this is literally the type of shit that brought on.
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It brought about the Me Too movement because as someone who's in a position of power, this
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is her livelihood.
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She's a single mother.
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And a lot of people would feel like they have no other choice.
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For real.
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It's a very sad and desperate circumstance that you could be put in.
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Yeah.
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What year did you say this was?
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So, at the time of the rape allegation, that was 1988.
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Oh, okay.
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So, like, not even close to the Me Too movement.
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No.
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Not really.
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Yeah, we're like not really.
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It's like not...
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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Yeah.
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Like, 40 years later.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Ugh.
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In case you hadn't guessed, today, our story is about a bad cop.
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You know, one of those bad apples we keep hearing about.
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Here.
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Stinky.
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Yeah.
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A really deeply troubled man in more ways than one.
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Or as he was described by an article by the news tribune, a human resources newt.
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A joke.
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A roadmap of wrong turns and bad decisions.
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Geez.
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That's a really good way to describe it though, the human resources newt.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, because that's exactly what he is.
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Yeah.
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And that is on the less serious end of the spectrum.
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But enough about his professional feelings and misdeeds for now.
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Don't worry.
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We'll totally come back to that.
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So neither she or her family were familiar with the term at the time, his wife, Crystal.
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Formerly known as Crystal Judson or more affectionately, Crissy Boo, all, was all too well-equainted
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with her husband's frequent gaslighting.
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He would send her flowers anonymously, calling himself a secret admirer.
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According to a accused Crystal of having an affair when she questioned who sent the flowers.
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What?
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This is some seriously psychoshit.
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Meanwhile, he was the one trying to coerce female officers into having three sums.
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I mean, that's how it goes.
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The one who's cheating accuses the other one.
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Yup.
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Cheating.
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We know that ain't the pot.
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He closely monitored the odometer on her car as well as her weight.
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Why?
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He may have made some particularly questionable comments about her appearance that have been
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documented in a number of the sources that I used for this.
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Hmm.
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I'm sure he was a perfect kind of guy, huh?
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I mean, he was relatively physically fit, but yeah, I mean, she was a very petite woman.
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But it's about control.
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Oh, yeah.
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It was all about control.
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Yeah.
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And of course, it extended to their finances as well to say that he was tight-fisted would
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have been an understatement.
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While he couldn't prevent her from having pockets, he wouldn't allow her to have a checking
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account.
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And I didn't actually specifically add this into my notes.
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It's just something that every time as I've been proofing my notes and thinking about this
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case, it just keeps flooding back to me from the book that I read.
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And somebody, I think it was a family member of hers that talked about at one point they
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were with Crystal and she was like, I don't know how I can get away.
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Like he gives me this crazy type budget for groceries for, you know, our whole family
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and he's checking her odometer.
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Like she literally can't go too far.
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And they said that as she's telling this story, she was like, at this very moment, I have less
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than a dollar available for gas.
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She had like 50 cents in her pocket.
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Now granted gas was like less than a dollar back then.
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And that's, you know, a single gallon.
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I just the way that he controlled her in, I mean, every aspect of her life, their kids'
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lives really, really scary.
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Scary to be in that situation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Knowing like on the other side of it could have been worse too.
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Like I have experience with this stuff and it wasn't as severe.
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But like if I had stayed, right, I'm sure it would have gotten that experience.
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Things have a tendency to escalate.
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Yeah.
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That's usually how it goes.
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I mean, we all want to believe that things will get better, right?
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They get better if you leave.
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Yeah.
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Even if you have 50 cents.
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Yeah.
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I mean, just.
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It's just, it's such a classic story.
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Yeah.
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Initially, Crystal's parents had steered clear of any conflict within their daughter's marriage
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unaware they were seeing warning signs, which I will say as the parents, it's a smart
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strategy to not, you know, getting gross or but your head in with, you know, your kids'
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family life or marriage until there's a problem.
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And when they're, you know, when it became apparent to them that something was really wrong,
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they were leading the charge to try to help Crystal and their grandchildren.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the kids make it like a thousand bazillion times harder to do anything.
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For sure.
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Even petty arguments and emotionally abusive or coercive behavior gave way to physical violence.
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David would still claim to be the victim of abuse at Crystal's hands.
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She couldn't have weighed more than 120 pounds soaking wet.
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Sorry, I'm laughing because I am.
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It's so unbelievable.
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Yeah.
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It's so unbelievable.
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This is like a man who outweighs her has, you know, we're talking about potentially, I think
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he probably had somewhere between 60 and 80 pounds on her.
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He's probably, you know, yeah, maybe not a full foot taller than her, but like I'm sorry,
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the physical advantage.
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And that's not to say that men aren't abused.
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And even in a dynamic where this falls, oh, yeah, for sure.
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But that is so not what was happening here.
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You look at all the other evidence and it's like obvious.
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It's obvious who is abusing who when you see all the like other things that they will do.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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However, despite all the established threats and conflict after 12 years of escalating degradation
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and disagreements, Crystal was ready to leave.
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Her decision was likely hastened in no small part by her husband behaving suspiciously as
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he prepared to leave for his evening shift one night.
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We're going to talk about this a little bit more.
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Okay.
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Because there's some really important aspects to Crystal's background that inform this scenario
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and make it all that much more heartbreaking.
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He tried to get her to handle his gun before he left.
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And we're going to talk about why.
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Okay.
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We'll come back to that.
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So I have a lot of notes.
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A lot of notes I have actually some excerpts that I'm going to read from the book that I
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used kind of to supplement what information is out there from really great like newspaper
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articles and things.
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There are a couple of specific excerpts that I'm going to read.
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We'll do like a little Patreon bonus because I think it's really important to understand.
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One of these pieces of her background and the logic behind it.
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It is chilling.
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I understood in a way why that made her so fearful.
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I think there's, I think you can just understand that someone is behaving really strangely.
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And I think there's intuition piece of it but there's so much more to it and it just, it
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brought me to tears.
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It was just, it was too much.
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And you're going to read it to us?
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I think you need to know that piece of it.
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I think it's important to understand about Crystal and about the situation.
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So yeah, I'm going to read it.
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Within weeks Crystal had packed up for her parents and taken the children with her and even filed
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for divorce.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I mean that's like she put her big girl pants on and she was like, listen, I'm afraid of
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him and this is dangerous and but I have to make a change.
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And that is a really, really hard thing to do.
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Yeah.
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And usually takes more than one dry.
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Yeah.
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Oh gosh, and the kids.
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Yeah.
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At work, David droned on and on about his failing marriage to anyone unfortunate enough
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to have lent a willing ear.
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We fix it.
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The chilling details of David's abuse would only be revealed in court papers once her
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mind was made up.
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Crystal stated he had tried to choke her four times the very same year he had been promoted
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to chief.
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Oh, she also detailed threats he'd been leveling against her with his service weapon.
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God.
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Prompting her to move out and initiate the divorce proceedings.
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Still, even with 70 pounds and nearly a foot of height on Crystal's much smaller frame,
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David claimed Crystal was the abuser in the brain family home.
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I know he touched on that, but I just, it's just shut up.
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Just shut up.
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All right.
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Now, this next part taken word for word from my source material.
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As far back as 1996 court papers indicate he was telling gig harbor police that he was
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being physically abused by her and was ashamed to admit it, possibly laying the groundwork
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for a defense should his abusive habit come to light.
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Geez.
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He's just a sneaky little snake.
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Yeah, I mean, playing the long game, I guess.
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Crystal's parents, Lane and Patty Judson could stay out of it no longer.
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They would become domestic violence advocates henceforth.
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Like them.
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We didn't even know what domestic violence was until this happened to our daughter.
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Her father said.
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The thought that their daughter's husband might threaten that he could snap her neck if he
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wanted to was a new and alarming sensation.
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The whole family seemed finally to be aware of just how violent and unstable David
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Brame could be.
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It should come as no surprise that Crystal had tried to leave before.
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In 1998, Crystal was scared, miserable, likely some combination of both at every waking moment.
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And she was motivated to try meeting a divorce attorney secretly in downtown Tacoma.
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Starting to her father, David Brame showed up unannounced and took over the meeting.
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How did he know?
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Adding that his son-in-law had several officers sit in a police car outside the attorney's
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office.
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Though Crystal's father would attempt to assist her in setting up another meeting with
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an attorney following that incident, it would be roughly another five years before
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she filed for divorce in February 2003.
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It reminds me of the, was it murder at the end of the world where she tried to leave him
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and went through this whole crazy thing.
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I won't get into it.
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And then he was there.
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Yeah.
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Because it's like I own you and I know everything that happens.
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You can't get anything past me.
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But David Brame was not one to give up easily.
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After all the mind games, playing cat and mouse clearly amused him.
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He continued gaslighting Crystal and claiming he told everyone she was crazy.
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Worse still, he threatened that if she tried to leave, he'd take away their kids.
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The intimidation didn't stop there.
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At an April 10th divorce-related court hearing, he appeared with a show of force that would be,
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I think even if you were a cop yourself, it would prove intimidating.
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I mean to nearly anyone.
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By his side were three other to come up police officers, which is like why?
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Yeah. What fucking role did they play in your divorce proceedings?
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One of them was assistant chief Catherine Woodard, a woman.
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Uh-huh.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's not the first and not the last time that I came across her name in this story and I
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got to say there's a special place in hell for women that let men get away with terrible
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things and are terrible to their fellow woman.
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Not saying that Catherine is or did or allegedly.
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Allegedly.
30:47
Allegently.
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Hmm.
30:49
Yeah.
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So, um, she would later become briefly the acting chief.
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Uh.
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Yeah.
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David isn't going to be the chief forever.
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Mm-hmm.
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I, but I can't imagine why.
31:07
She was placed on administrative leave as of May 1st.
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This year?
31:14
Uh, new.
31:15
Oh, I was going to be of what?
31:17
Yeah, it's going to be of 2003.
31:19
Um, and it's going to correlate with some very specific events that take place and, um,
31:26
so I'll have to say about that.
31:28
Okay.
31:29
Speaking to the impact of that show of force for Crystal, those closest to her shared that
31:36
she felt that she had to go up against the entire police department.
31:40
Well, yeah.
31:41
Clearly.
31:42
Because she kind of did.
31:43
Woodard would go on after some very troubling events that happened that, um, I'm going
31:51
to tell you about in a second.
31:53
Um, she would say there were no warning signs, which further reading has proven to be
32:01
in surveys that's a lie.
32:04
Where's, where's more when you need them?
32:07
I remember reading the passage and going, are you fucking kidding me?
32:11
Yeah.
32:12
No warning sites.
32:15
So we're just lying to each other's faces now.
32:18
I can't wait until you tell us all the warning signs.
32:21
What?
32:23
No, Kathy's trying to get my goat now too.
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Okay.
32:28
Okay.
32:29
Two weeks before the incident, Crystal complained of intimidation and death threats by
32:39
her recently estranged husband.
32:42
She called 911 after a weekend transfer of the couple's two children turned ugly.
32:50
Daddy, brain brought assistant chief Catherine Woodard along for the exchange because of course
33:00
every custody exchange needs a police escort.
33:04
Wow.
33:06
A group of officers learned of the incident and anonymously sent a note to the city manager
33:13
seeking an investigation into the inappropriate behavior.
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The complaint was essentially ignored.
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I know you're shocked.
33:23
I was like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
33:29
The city manager essentially stated that he wouldn't respond to anonymous complaints.
33:36
Which seems like I don't think you get to decide that actually.
33:41
I think you need to investigate that.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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It's anonymous.
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It doesn't matter.
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It's a guy called and said someone's murdered on the street, but it was anonymous.
33:52
Yeah, it was anonymous.
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Probably not real.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, he's dead, but it's a bummer because the complaint was anonymous.
33:58
So what are you thinking about it?
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Sorry.
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Nothing to be done.
34:01
Anonymous.
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Oh my God.
34:03
There's so many examples that tie this bitch into it that I forgot about.
34:08
That's, I thought this was where I was going to tell you the thing that makes her a dirty,
34:12
dirty cunt.
34:13
And that's not even the thing.
34:16
This is a different one.
34:17
Oh God.
34:18
There's so many things.
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She's fucking terrible.
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Assuming she wasn't like being threatened by him.
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I mean, maybe she was, but she does some stuff that.
34:29
Okay.
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Yeah.
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Days before the incident, as word of Braim's divorce and allegations of domestic abuse were
35:39
becoming public.
35:42
The city manager continued with what had essentially become the party line that the chief's divorce
35:49
was a civil matter and again declined to take action.
35:55
Just so they want to do anything to them.
35:57
He's like, I'm really not interested in commenting on that or taking any sort of action about
36:04
any allegations made against the chief that is not of interest to me.
36:12
April 24, 2003 was Crystal's 35th birthday.
36:18
That night, her soon-to-be ex-husband called her from Las Vegas, where he was attending
36:24
a labor management seminar.
36:26
He said, I have a really big birthday gift for you.
36:32
But you'll have to wait until I get home because I have to give it to you in person.
36:36
I don't want it.
36:40
Just the thing, if it was anybody else, I would have assumed that was a dick joke.
36:44
I didn't even think about that.
36:48
Yeah, it's cute.
36:51
If your nice husband's calling you from Vegas, I hate you.
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I miss you so much.
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I got a really big present for you.
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Yeah, no, it wasn't that way.
36:59
Was definitely in the horror movie.
37:03
When the call's coming from inside the house, type of situation.
37:09
So it was specifically the following day, April 25th, when news stories really seemed to
37:15
hit full force about the chief's divorce.
37:18
So there's been some things kind of slowly coming out.
37:22
There's a little bit of information about allegations, and then all of a sudden it's like,
37:28
everybody knows your business.
37:31
Like, a lot of it.
37:35
News of the city's human resources department, they met with city attorneys and discussed
37:42
what I can only imagine was euphemistically described as an inflammatory situation.
37:51
Leaders within HR said they recommended placing Braime on administrative leave as well as
37:57
taking his badge and gun.
37:59
Yeah, please take the gun.
38:03
City attorney said they heard no such recommendation.
38:11
And in light of what happened the following day, it makes sense they'd want to claim very
38:17
same in their position.
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No, no, I don't want to.
38:24
I don't want to hear the end.
38:26
Yeah.
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I mean, hey, listen, whether I work in HR or as like an attorney for the city, I'm going
38:33
to say, I would want to, I would want to play the fifth.
38:36
I'd be like, nope, never heard of any of that before.
38:41
Yeah.
38:42
Nope.
38:43
So that very next day, April 26th would be marked by gun violence that in this country,
38:50
I think we've all been a little desensitized to unfortunately.
38:55
So sadly, I have a feeling that this might not feel all that shocking.
39:03
I think we're a little bit numb to the death tolls being in the double digits and the senseless
39:10
loss of innocent life, even when it comes to children at this point, I mean, but this is
39:19
pretty rough.
39:23
Investigators say Brame 44 shot his wife, Crystal in the head, then killed himself inside her
39:31
car at a shopping center parking lot after what police believe was a pre-arranged meeting
39:37
Saturday.
39:41
I don't know that this was a pre-arranged meeting.
39:43
I think some of the early articles said that it was, but other sources that I read that
39:51
as kind of the case develops seem to indicate like, no, he cornered her.
39:58
In his wife, 35-year-old Crystal Brame had been going through a divorce.
40:05
The day before the shootings, as we all know, allegations that he had abused his wife were
40:10
made public, though to be fair, they weren't the first.
40:17
The chief put their kids, Haley, who was eight years old, and David Jr., who was five in his
40:25
car before getting in his wife's vehicle.
40:29
After a heated conversation, witnesses reported hearing two shots.
40:35
Medics found Crystal Brame lying on the pavement next to the open driver's door.
40:43
Witnesses who saw to come a police chief, David Brame, shoot his estranged wife in a parking
40:48
lot just south of Seattle.
40:53
Remember one thing in particular, the couple's children.
40:59
They were nearby when their father shot their mother before turning the gun on himself.
41:06
This is a quote from one of the newspaper articles that talked to a witness.
41:15
The girl was over top of her mother after she had been shot and was pulled off by a witness.
41:26
That was actually...
41:27
There's a couple of different quotes in here about the family.
41:31
This one was Ed Troyer of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department.
41:37
Another witness to the shooting said, "Anybody that was out here heard the children screaming.
41:43
They were terrified."
41:48
Following the horrific murder suicide with Brame now deceased, both his vehicle and workspace,
41:54
could be searched without obtaining a warrant.
41:58
The apartment where Brame had lived for just nine days was also searched.
42:05
No suicide note was found, though Pierce County detectives did take a laptop, along with
42:12
a briefcase and its contents, as well as a mini cassette tape from his apartment.
42:19
Beyond that, little appears to have been publicly shared regarding the results of the search.
42:26
Probably a lot of that has to do with, you know, there's not a trial.
42:34
And while either her husband was found dead at the scene or just no one cared to report
42:40
on the details of his status following the horrific crime, Crystal hung to life following
42:48
the horrific shooting.
42:50
She didn't die right away.
42:52
She was with her daughter.
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Yeah.
42:57
Her injuries were detailed in reporting.
43:05
The bullet entered the left side of her brain on a downward trajectory all the way to the
43:10
base of her skull, causing significant damage on its path.
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Though she was initially admitted in extreme critical condition with little expectation
43:23
of survival, she had shown unexpected progress in the following days, impressing the doctors
43:31
on staff.
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She was a real like Crystal.
43:36
By the late hours of May 2nd, however, her condition had rapidly deteriorated.
43:45
This may have been due to rapid encephalitis, or it could have been due to a possible seizure
43:51
or other metabolic causes, but the end result was the same, regardless.
43:59
At approximately 8 a.m. on Saturday, May 3rd, 2003, tests were administered on Crystal to
44:07
determine if there was any brain activity.
44:10
There was none.
44:13
Additional testing was administered to confirm the results of the initial test.
44:19
Again, there was no sign of any brain activity.
44:24
Crystal's condition was determined to be irreversible and she was declared dead.
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She died Saturday, May 3rd, at 4.40 p.m.
44:36
She lived for a week following the shooting.
44:41
It's like amazing, but I'm sure it gave all of her family so much hope.
44:46
I think the worst part is that I think when she first went into the hospital, I don't
44:56
think that they were hopeful.
44:58
I think it seems like the communication from the medical staff there was that the chances
45:05
of her surviving were very slim.
45:07
Even if she did, the damage that had been done to her brain at that point was so severe.
45:16
But the fact that she came in and she was in really bad shape, and then seemingly she
45:24
starts what might have looked like, "Oh my gosh, is she going to make a miraculous recovery?"
45:31
And then out of nowhere, just declines again.
45:37
I can't even imagine.
45:41
I think no matter what you're told, the fact that she's...
45:45
She's still here.
45:47
So they had a week of grieving her because she's not there.
45:56
Yeah.
45:57
But until she actually passed, I feel like you live in this limbo and you can't really fully
46:05
process that loss and that grief.
46:10
The only right side is that she didn't die that day.
46:15
They got to say they're goodbyes to her.
46:19
Obviously she wasn't conscious.
46:24
The earliest research on police who perpetrated domestic violence came out in the 1990s, finding
46:32
that 40% of officers surveyed had assaulted family members in the last six months.
46:42
The research since then has been sparse and highly variable.
46:47
40%.
46:48
Oh, sorry, 40%.
46:51
40%.
46:52
Jesus.
46:53
Look to your left.
46:54
Look to your right.
46:55
Essentially.
46:56
That's almost a coin toss.
46:58
And how many didn't admit to it or isn't reported?
47:03
Obviously, we know that.
47:05
That old thing, how many aren't reported?
47:07
Yeah.
47:08
And I don't know specifically if this study is generally regarded as having been a high
47:15
quality study now.
47:19
Because sometimes we look back and we understand that the controls weren't valid.
47:26
There's so many things that can invalidate a study.
47:32
I just don't know if that's a case with this one or not.
47:34
I would say it's pretty believable to me.
47:37
I don't think it would be lower than that.
47:39
Yeah.
47:40
While we may not know the numbers, we do know the power dynamic is uniquely imbalanced,
47:48
even compared to other domestic violence cases.
47:52
These officers have been trained not only to act as authority figures within society,
47:58
but they are also permitted in many cases to use force to enact said authority.
48:06
And sadly, as has been evidenced, when an officer acts in a way that represents excessive
48:12
force or undue violence, they may often be legally protected and met by few if any consequences.
48:21
In some cases, the coupling of advanced training and access to weapons can lead to not only
48:30
abuse, but fatality.
48:35
I'm going straight from source material here in this next part because I cannot even pretend
48:41
to have a more eloquent way to put this right now.
48:46
I'm like, I'm going to cry and also if I cry too much, then I'll snot all over and I'm
48:53
shaking with rage.
48:55
And anyways, the blue wall of silence promotes secrecy around conflict rather than encouraging
49:07
intervention.
49:09
Similarly, the development of the warrior cop and a violent form of militarized masculinity
49:17
empowers abuse while also punishing survivors who come forward.
49:23
And I also want to share a quote from Carolyn Drake's piece in the Seattle PI, which is
49:30
always a fantastic source in my experience.
49:35
Drake violence kills more women each year than breast cancer.
49:44
End quote, let that sink in.
49:48
And I'm hard pressed to think of anyone more willing or eager to make a cheap joke about
49:54
those fleshy fat sex than either myself or Cassie, but in a rare moment of restraint,
50:02
I'll say this instead, nearly all of us have boobs, probably arguably more of us than
50:08
have romantic or domestic partners, but still it's the latter that's killing more of us.
50:16
Right?
50:17
How many bears kill women in a year?
50:20
I know.
50:21
I thought about that several times during this.
50:23
I'm like, and we're still having this debate.
50:30
And so many women have put forth like the most eloquent and honestly logical arguments
50:37
about why their team bear.
50:41
And you're just like, I'm sorry, it just, we don't even need that level of explanation.
50:48
Yeah.
50:49
But thank you for doing it because maybe it'll help some of the dumb dumbs out there.
50:52
Well, we have to start woman explaining things to them.
50:56
The statistics grow more and more abysmal as we examine the figures related to women of
51:03
color.
51:04
And of course, other minority groups such as transgender women.
51:10
When Braim was brought on his chief, the salary range for his position was $87,027 to $134,9992.
51:26
The Tacoma Police Department had a biannual budget of $102,000,000 and employed 378 sworn
51:36
officers.
51:38
These stats date back to 2001 before this entire tragedy unfolded.
51:47
But we've given people a badge with what feels like almost a limited authority.
51:57
And we've given that to an average person.
52:01
And we're paying them into the six figures, which a lot of people are going to have a lot
52:07
of feelings about.
52:09
But I would argue, let's take it a step further because I think our government owes
52:17
it to its people to make sure that people on the payroll, especially in those positions,
52:26
don't pose a threat to the very citizens that they're intended to be protecting or serving
52:35
in some other capacity.
52:38
Yeah, it just, it seems like it should be a very logical and straightforward thing.
52:44
Yeah.
52:45
But it's not.
52:49
Should we take a break for tarot?
52:50
I think we should.
52:51
Let's do tarot after we...
52:54
We're going to snack first.
52:56
Snack first?
52:57
Yeah.
52:58
Can't do tarot on an empty stomach.
53:00
No, we can't.
53:01
Simply calm.
53:07
So we're at the tarot.
53:08
We are at the tarot.
53:10
And we grab our tarot, book.
53:16
Okay.
53:18
Ooh, and she didn't blow out any candles this time.
53:21
I'm just surprised that that did it.
53:27
What was her name?
53:28
Oh, Crystal?
53:29
Yes.
53:30
Crystal.
53:31
This one just popped out.
53:33
Yeah, and I see it.
53:34
This was on the underside of one half of the deck, like the first time that I shuffled.
53:40
Okay, that's really weird.
53:43
There's a couple like weird...
53:44
I don't know, it's weird.
53:45
Oh, it's weird.
53:46
This is the Nine of Cups.
53:50
Oh my gosh.
53:51
It's so weird that I was like, I was asking her name and it's like Crystal and then there's
53:56
like a pearl in there.
53:58
Yeah.
53:59
I count Pearls as crystals, whatever.
54:02
I think they count.
54:04
I think they count.
54:05
Ooh, okay.
54:06
So we got nine of cups upright.
54:09
Yeah.
54:10
It's so wild too, because I just feel like it's such a positive card, but I was seeing
54:17
it as we're like shuffling.
54:19
And they're cool.
54:20
I don't know.
54:21
Okay.
54:22
It's the card.
54:23
I guess.
54:24
It's a Pacific oyster.
54:25
Just you know.
54:26
Yeah.
54:27
Yeah, she is.
54:28
Well, and I was thinking as I'm like that one popped out, I might still draw another
54:34
card.
54:35
We might have to, because I feel like this might leave us a little bit like, huh?
54:39
Okay.
54:43
Keywords are wishes come true.
54:46
Good luck.
54:48
Happiness, abundance and generosity.
54:53
Often called the wish card, the nine of cups is the most fortunate of all cards and both
55:00
well in any reading.
55:03
Some decks show a wealthy person, perhaps a tavern owner or in-keeper, sharing his or her
55:10
largest with others, filling their cups.
55:14
You've received a position of comfort, abundance and happiness.
55:19
Now you eagerly share your wealth, your warmth, love, good cheer, and other goodies with
55:27
people you care about.
55:28
The universe is smiling on you.
55:32
I'm like as soon as you started reading it, I just like got her parents, like her, yeah,
55:38
the vibe of her parents.
55:40
And like this is like how her life should have been.
55:42
Her parents were supposed to swoop in and help her out and share their wealth with her,
55:50
you know, like, help her.
55:52
Well, and knowing, knowing a little bit more about Crystal's background, because I'm going
55:57
to read some extra excerpts for the Patreon, I think there's a lot about Crystal that
56:04
unless you're really willing to kind of dig in a bit deeper, it's not told in the surface
56:13
level story that I feel like maybe I'm connecting with some of those pieces.
56:20
I am really interested.
56:21
I'm really excited to kind of delve into some more of the background stuff that I have.
56:27
Look out, Patreon.
56:29
But I'm going to finish the tarot first.
56:33
Yeah.
56:34
One thing at a time.
56:35
Yeah.
56:37
In a reading about money, you can expect good fortune when this card appears.
56:42
An investment pays off, you get a raise, maybe even win the lottery.
56:48
Rather than hoarding your loot, however, you share some with others.
56:52
Or you give your wife 50 cents for gas.
56:55
Oh, God.
56:56
You need to get promoted, though.
56:58
So I'm assuming that came with a raise.
57:03
If the reading is about your job, the nine of cops suggest a promotion or landing the
57:09
job of your dreams.
57:10
Okay.
57:11
Well, I think we just found at least one tie-in.
57:14
Too bad it didn't last.
57:16
Yeah.
57:18
You feel fulfilled, happy, and inspired in your work.
57:25
Whatever you undertake brings success.
57:28
I can't say that I agree, but in a reading about love, you've learned to open your heart
57:36
and enjoy a richly rewarding love life.
57:40
It feels super gross to say in hindsight knowing just how awful he was to his wife and to
57:48
some of his female employees.
57:55
I guess I'm trying to subordinate.
57:57
That's the word I'm looking for.
57:59
You know, some of the things that God, the things that he said, "Roll gross."
58:08
Just roll, icky.
58:09
It gives me the ick.
58:15
This card may describe a joyful, emotionally fulfilling, committed relationship or an abundance
58:23
of romantic partners.
58:27
Interesting.
58:28
Any actress?
58:32
There is one.
58:33
Yeah, somehow she knew.
58:34
She's which nature is held together by the energy of love.
58:44
Which is interesting because to me immediately I just become a total smart ass.
58:49
I go, "Well, what happened was very unnatural."
58:55
Nature is held together by the energy of love and the opposite energy absolutely rips
59:01
apart everything that is good and natural for people in life.
59:07
It does.
59:09
You saw almost both in this too, like I said, the vibe of her parents.
59:17
That's what I think this card is.
59:18
I don't think it's a reading about your love life or whatever.
59:22
I think it's just the vibe of helping people when they need it if you can.
59:29
Her parents, I think I have a little bit more information about some of their efforts
59:38
and some of the things that they've done to try to make the world a better place since
59:43
Crystal's past.
59:44
It sounded like they were advocates.
59:48
The thing is, is very easy for that to become your, that's a hot button thing.
59:57
Maybe initially in the aftermath, you feel very passionately about that.
1:00:02
Because time goes on, you move on to other things or you go back to your normal life as it
1:00:11
were.
1:00:12
But they have stuck with that.
1:00:16
It's been a very central focus for them.
1:00:20
Wow.
1:00:21
I think that's really, yeah.
1:00:23
That's what this card was.
1:00:25
It wasn't any of the other stuff.
1:00:28
It was a very clear, what's it, a parallel?
1:00:33
Yeah.
1:00:34
What it is for the opposite.
1:00:36
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
1:00:37
What am I measuring?
1:00:39
I don't know.
1:00:40
But yeah, I think you definitely should draw another card.
1:00:43
Okay.
1:00:44
Let me read this though.
1:00:45
It's really short.
1:00:47
Okay.
1:00:48
A little paragraphy.
1:00:50
It has all the same keywords.
1:00:53
A small spec enters the shell.
1:00:56
But oyster doesn't know what it is, but it reacts all the same.
1:01:00
Liquid jewel coats the spec, protecting the oyster's soft body.
1:01:05
Over and over a thousand times, the oyster patiently builds up layer upon layer of neck,
1:01:15
neck gray.
1:01:16
It's NA C R E.
1:01:17
I'm assuming that's the whatever they're talking about, the liquid stuff.
1:01:23
Look up neck, neck gray real quick.
1:01:25
Naker.
1:01:26
Naker.
1:01:27
Interesting.
1:01:28
Okay.
1:01:29
So this says it's a composite material produced by some mullisks as an inner shell layer.
1:01:40
So literally part of the oyster.
1:01:43
Yeah.
1:01:44
Interesting.
1:01:45
Okay.
1:01:46
So it's building up layers of Naker.
1:01:51
The same material that coats the inside of the oyster shell forms a perfect gleaming sphere.
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It was that's so funny because the other part of it that I sort of left out of, you know,
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the Wikipedia definition is it is also the material of which pearls are composed.
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And it just like keeps, ooh, I have a thing, I have a thing in here.
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Yeah.
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Almost.
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Two more sentences.
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Okay.
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So that's low growth pass so that someone might pop open the shell and feel ever so briefly
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a fleeting moment of incredible good luck.
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Huh.
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So it's like someone is finding the pearl in the oyster shell.
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Yeah.
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The thing I was kind of getting is like there's all of this crap layers upon layers of all
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of this stuff that's like pressuring and building this thing.
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Yeah.
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And it's like a beautiful pearl in the end.
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Yeah.
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Kind of like, you know.
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Yeah.
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You're put through a lot of shit and you're still, you're a beautiful pearl crystal.
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That's all.
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It's so funny.
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I literally was looking at the shell that you gave me and I was like, why do I feel like
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I don't know.
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It doesn't seem like it really.
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Oh.
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But it part of me was like, hmm, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I feel like that's very sort of that like diamond in the rough kind of a, I don't know.
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That's kind of what I was picking up as well.
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Right.
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Okay.
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We're going to give this the old college try.
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We'll give it a try.
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We're going to give it a try.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I feel like that's very sort of that like diamond in the rough kind of a, I don't know.
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That's kind of what I was picking up as well.
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Huh.
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Right.
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Okay.
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We're going to give this the old college try.
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We'll give it.
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Okay.
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I think this one.
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Oh.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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Um, this looks like two of swords.
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Two of swords.
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Oh, okay.
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I know this card is like the, the blindfolded lady with the, yeah.
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We're learning.
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I know it is, I feel like doing a terror reading like every, sometimes multiple.
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Every week.
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It's like, okay, I'm sure.
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I'm going to learn.
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You do it.
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I don't know.
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Right.
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But I'm hard pressed to come up with a better way.
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Okay.
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So our keywords are combined resources, courage, faith, friendship, conflict and balance.
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This is two of swords.
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Yes.
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Oh.
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Interesting.
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I mean, I'm going to read my keywords real quick says, okay.
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In decision, difficult choices, confusion, stalemate, acting with incomplete information,
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blindness.
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Oh.
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So they're kind of, like you had some positive words in there.
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Well, I don't know.
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I mean, there are somewhat, okay, somewhat.
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You guys heard you wrong.
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No, I think, um, I think different books have a different way of kind of interpreting.
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I guess we'll see.
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But yeah, I think those feel very spot on for me.
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Um, in some tarot decks, this card depicts a blind-folded woman holding two swords crossed
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over her chest.
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Two's generally signify balance or conflict or a murder suicide.
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Yeah.
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And so, as well as pairing, I think of the two of swords as the blind faith card because
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it can represent courage and making decisions based on your own truth.
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And in some cases, spiritual guidance.
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She definitely had courage to make a decision to leave.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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She had to have that, like, the blind faith.
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She didn't know what was going to happen.
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I mean, no.
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And if anything, she had a pretty good idea that whatever was going to happen wasn't necessarily
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going to be super positive.
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The upright two can symbolize balancing the right and left hemispheres of your brain,
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combining intuition with intellect.
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Drawing this card may mean you must make a decision and need to call on both.
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When you say she was using her intuition earlier when he was acting weird that day.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I would say actually that story, which I'm going to get to here when I read some excerpts
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from the book, it calls on her to act on both her intellect and intuition, using both
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kind of the head and the heart.
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Wow.
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Two can also advise you to take off your blindfold and look at a situation, honestly.
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All the people who are blindfolded at the police station.
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Right.
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Or to, you know, look at the situation.
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To me, the first thing that pops into my head is sort of like, it's not going to get
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me better.
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Right.
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That children with this person doesn't mean that you should stay.
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I feel like everyone in this situation had like blindfolds on like you said the parents
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and, you know, realize until the end.
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Yeah.
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I mean, because people see what they want you to see in a lot of situations.
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In a reading about money, the upright two recommends trusting your own wisdom and inner
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guidance in a financial matter.
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Pay attention to your intuition as well as logic.
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If the reading is about your job, you may be confused or conflicted about a work related
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issue.
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Have faith in your own judgment and ideas.
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Sometimes, the upright two represents a job that requires both intellect and imagination.
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In a reading about love, this card suggests listening to both your head and your heart.
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Oh my God, it's like literally what I just said.
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It can mean you and your partner hold conflicting perspectives or that you're trying to resolve
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differences and find harmony.
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Interesting.
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I don't know if one of them was trying to resolve anything.
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Yeah, that feels like perhaps not.
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And the way he did resolve his issues was not the way anyone should resolve any issues
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ever.
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Not the way that we want to see that wrap up.
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That's for sure.
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Yeah.
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Well, should I read this one?
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It's pretty short too.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Also for anyone who doesn't know, I don't know.
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We're using the little guidebook from the Pacific Northwest Tarot deck with these little
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stories in here.
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And that was a coast mole.
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Oh, coast mole.
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Interesting.
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All right.
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We've got both kind of like sea shory things, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The mole stopped digging as she sensed a change in the soil ahead.
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To one side, the earth was drier and potentially more stable.
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To the other side, the dampness might mean a more abundant selection of worms and slugs.
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Mmm.
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Delicious.
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It tastes like chicken.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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That sounds right.
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Or maybe she should go deeper where the soil was more densely packed.
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She wrinkled her nose and rested, paralyzed with indecision.
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Her mind sniffing down the infinite, branching paths that the future tunnel before her could
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take.
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But she couldn't deliberate forever.
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The mole made a choice and resumed digging, taking the first blind stats in her journey
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onward.
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Mmm.
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So more of that.
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Yeah.
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More totally tying in with what everything we talked about.
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I would say so.
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Yeah.
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The mole was interesting.
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I don't know.
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He, I felt like he kept her like small and like hidden.
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Yes.
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Like people were abusive do that.
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Yeah.
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They keep you and your tunnels and you have to like dig your way out from underneath them.
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Yeah.
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Do you think that's really interesting kind of both of these acting in like acting as metaphors
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in maybe more than one way, but also another one you're like in the tunnels in the ground
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in the dark and then once you escape you're in the light, you're free.
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You're a pearl.
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Okay.
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I'm done.
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You're a peach.
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You're a peach.
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You're a pearl.
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Hey, listen.
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You're a crystal.
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A juicious, ripe, this peach.
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There's still always going to be someone that doesn't like peaches.
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That's true.
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And is a total dick and will behave in a completely unacceptable and abusive manner.
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And then I'm sure that's how the quote ends.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to add on to it.
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Yeah.
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And then there's other people who will eat the shit out of that peach.
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Mm hmm.
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I love it.
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I don't know what kind of face.
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I don't know what kind of face I made if it was a trotious, talon, feel free to blur it
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out.
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It's a little smiley face over it.
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Oh, we definitely keep the sound effect because that was really good.
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Yeah.
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One more.
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One more.
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Well, we hope everyone is safe out there.
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And if you are experiencing any sort of domestic violence, we're going to link a website
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for you just to have the resource just in case.
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And we love you and we hope you're okay.
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And have a creepy ass day.
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See you next Tuesday.
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See you next Tuesday.
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We'll be here.
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Yeah.
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I mean, probably.
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[laughs]
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[music]
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What if it's a Boober?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, probably.
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[laughs]
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[music]
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What if it's a boober?
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A boober?
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Was that like a new hip uber or?
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It's like an uber but with boobies.
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You are a 14 year old boy.
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You know?
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My Blink 182 shirt.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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