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- 0:09It's the last week of 2025
- 0:11and we are reflecting on the year
- 0:12that was in news here in Austin.
- 0:15We had a resolution on a
- 0:16decades-long cold case known as the
- 0:18yogurt shop murders, the summer's
- 0:20deadly flooding in Austin and
- 0:21central Texas, and school campuses
- 0:24set to shudder across the city.
- 0:26We're going to talk more about the
- 0:27news that demanded our attention
- 0:28this year and housing is
- 0:30always a big topic of discussion in
- 0:32Austin, and 2025 was no
- 0:34different. More about the status
- 0:36of Austin's housing market heading
- 0:38into the new year.
- 0:39That is coming up next.
- 0:41The Austin Signal is a production
- 0:42of KUT News, hosted by
- 0:45Jerry Quijano.
- 0:46Plus, no day or year in
- 0:47Austin would be complete without a
- 0:49little music. We've got another
- 0:50favorite track from 2025,
- 0:53and we'll talk about some of the
- 0:54artists we lost this year.
- 0:56That's coming up next on Austin
- 0:57Signal.
- 1:08Howdy, and thank you for tuning in
- 1:10to Austin Signal.
- 1:12This is KUT News 90.5.
- 1:15We're on the KUT app and online at
- 1:17KUT.org.
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- 1:20public radio.
- 1:22It's Monday, December 29th, the
- 1:24final Monday of 2025, the
- 1:25last week of the year.
- 1:27I'm your host, Jerry Quijano.
- 1:29Thank you for being here.
- 1:30We're gonna be looking back on the
- 1:32year that was, but first
- 1:33we wanted to update you with a bit
- 1:35of local news.
- 1:36Bob Kafka, an Austin-based activist
- 1:38who pushed for accessibility at the
- 1:40local, state, and federal level for
- 1:42more than 40 years died at his
- 1:44home here in the city last Friday.
- 1:46The former Army veteran moved to
- 1:47Texas in 1974 after
- 1:49a car crash left him with
- 1:51quadriplegia.
- 1:52From there, he began a decades-long
- 1:54career in activism for disability
- 1:56rights.
- 1:57Kafka is survived by his longtime
- 1:59partner and fellow advocate
- 2:00Stephanie Thomas, who
- 2:06and more recently, voting rights
- 2:08for people with disabilities.
- 2:10This is Austin Signal.
- 2:12Thank you for tuning in today.
- 2:15We're wrapping up 2025 by
- 2:17looking and listening back to the
- 2:18year that was here at KUT and
- 2:20KUTx.
- 2:22Now, if you listen to KUT
- 2:23frequently, you know that there is
- 2:25a lot going on here in Austin,
- 2:27as well as across the state, pretty
- 2:28much across the entire globe.
- 2:30So today, we're gonna reflect on
- 2:32some of the bigger stories covered
- 2:33by the KUT newsroom.
- 2:35Over the course of this year,
- 2:37Saida Carrillo is a senior editor
- 2:38for KUT News.
- 2:39She is joining us now.
- 2:40Hi Saida.
- 2:41Hi Jerry, good to be with you.
- 2:43I'm glad you are joining us
- 2:44to give us a little bit of a rewind
- 2:46into what we experienced
- 2:48this year here in Austin.
- 2:50It is the holiday season.
- 2:51We're not expecting the sort of
- 2:52airport delays that were caused by
- 2:54the federal government shut down a
- 2:56few weeks ago, but Austin's airport
- 2:58had already been dealing with issues
- 3:00already this year. What's the story
- 3:01there?
- 3:02Yes, so that was one
- 3:03of our biggest stories in 2025
- 3:06was Nathan Bernier's coverage of
- 3:08the air traffic controller shortage
- 3:10at Austin's airport, which, as
- 3:12you mentioned, of course was
- 3:13exacerbated during the government
- 3:15shutdown. But this has really been
- 3:17a source of ongoing delays at
- 3:19airport as Nathan reported back
- 3:20in June.
- 3:21He found that the Austin
- 3:23Airport actually only has about
- 3:25half the number of controllers
- 3:27that are recommended by federal
- 3:29guidelines.
- 3:30And so that's led to not only
- 3:32ground delays, but also staff
- 3:34working a lot of overtime,
- 3:36sometimes working six-day work
- 3:38weeks. And I think that's an issue
- 3:39that really was relevant to
- 3:41anybody that flies out of ABIA.
- 3:44Absolutely.
- 3:45We are almost seven months removed
- 3:46now from the devastating flooding
- 3:48that killed a lot of people in the
- 3:50Texas Hill country, as well as here
- 3:51in the Austin area.
- 3:52I wanted to talk a little bit about
- 3:53how our reporters contributed to
- 3:55that reporting, you know, that we
- 3:57obviously have our local needs
- 3:58here in the Austin Area, but there's
- 4:00also a statewide, a
- 4:03statewide view that we have to
- 4:05take of things.
- 4:05How did KUT reporters jump into
- 4:07that reporting?
- 4:08Yeah, absolutely.
- 4:09So it certainly didn't happen in a
- 4:11vacuum. The Hill Country flooding
- 4:12affected folks from all across
- 4:14central Texas and the Austin and
- 4:16San Antonio areas.
- 4:17Our reporters spent a lot of time on
- 4:19the ground talking with people that
- 4:21were affected, particularly in
- 4:23the Big Sandy Creek area in
- 4:25Travis County.
- 4:26So I think that they spent a lot
- 4:28of times building meaningful
- 4:29relationships with folks that were
- 4:31affected and finding out what type
- 4:33of information was going to be
- 4:34useful to them in terms of
- 4:36how to navigate.
- 4:37Things like FEMA aid
- 4:39or insurance and getting
- 4:41back on their feet.
- 4:42And also you might remember, Jerry,
- 4:44people here in Austin were really
- 4:46looking for ways to help.
- 4:48You might remember the lines we
- 4:49saw down the road at the local
- 4:51P. Terry's the day that they were
- 4:53donating their profits.
- 4:54So really just a
- 4:57community-wide picture, I think, of
- 4:59what that flooding response
- 5:01looked like, and then most recently,
- 5:03our Williamson County reporter,
- 5:04Kaylee Hunt. Visited with a family
- 5:06that she had been talking with
- 5:08previously in Big Sandy Creek that
- 5:10lost their farm.
- 5:11And they actually spent Thanksgiving
- 5:13with one of the volunteers that
- 5:15had been helping them and assisting
- 5:17with cleanup efforts in the area.
- 5:19So the recovery is ongoing and
- 5:21good to keep in touch with folks and
- 5:23follow their stories as it continues
- 5:25on.
- 5:25Yeah, and Kaylee's been doing a
- 5:27really great job of staying in
- 5:28contact with those folks.
- 5:29We're gonna have links to a lot of
- 5:31these stories in our show notes at
- 5:32kut.org slash signal
- 5:34There was also a big breakthrough
- 5:36this year in a decades-long Austin
- 5:39cold case. What was that?
- 5:40Yes, the Austin yogurt
- 5:42shot murders in September.
- 5:45Austin police identified a new
- 5:47suspect after they linked his DNA
- 5:49from the scene to another case.
- 5:51And I think that that was a moment
- 5:52in Austin where it really
- 5:54just kind of a lot of folks just
- 5:56took in the gravity of this
- 5:58development. You know, this was a
- 5:59case back from 1991,
- 6:01where the families of the victims
- 6:03have been waiting and searching
- 6:05for answers for literally decades.
- 6:07And so Andrew Weber put
- 6:09together a really beautiful
- 6:11retrospective piece talking with
- 6:13folks who had been involved in
- 6:15investigating or reporting on the
- 6:17case.
- 6:18Also our current mayor, Austin Mayor
- 6:19Kirk Watson, who was mayor back
- 6:22when there were some significant
- 6:23developments in the case earlier on.
- 6:25And so I would really encourage
- 6:27folks to check out that story for
- 6:29a good look at kind of the
- 6:31significance of this development to
- 6:32the city and Austin's history.
- 6:34Yeah, so it's a really great radio
- 6:36story definitely worth checking out
- 6:38and Finally a big story this
- 6:40year that will surely continue on
- 6:41into 2026 are the
- 6:43school closures happening at Austin
- 6:44ISD remind us how many campuses
- 6:46are closing it and why are they
- 6:48closing them?
- 6:49So Austin ISD in November
- 6:51voted to close 10 schools
- 6:53and this is happening because
- 6:55the district is doing this in an
- 6:57effort to save money as they are
- 6:59facing a really major budget
- 7:01shortfall.
- 7:02Katie McAfee has been following this
- 7:04story for KUT and there
- 7:06will be lots more changes to come
- 7:08at Austin IST before the
- 7:10start of the next school year and
- 7:12she and other KUT reporters will
- 7:13definitely be following those
- 7:15developments.
- 7:15Yeah, and you can find all of those
- 7:17developments at KUT.org.
- 7:19Saeeda, one last question for you.
- 7:21You mentioned a few reporters there,
- 7:23but there's a lot more that goes on
- 7:24in the KUT newsroom.
- 7:26What are you most proud of your team
- 7:28this year accomplishing as you look
- 7:30back on 2025?
- 7:31Oh, that's a great question.
- 7:33I think that there's just been so
- 7:34much great storytelling
- 7:36around these stories that all
- 7:38could have just been, you know, kind
- 7:40of quick hit, here's the headline
- 7:42and here's what happened.
- 7:43But I'm really proud of the work
- 7:44that reporters did to dive
- 7:46deeper, tell the history
- 7:47and the human stories behind
- 7:50some of these headlines.
- 7:51I think when you look at any of
- 7:52these stories, you really get a
- 7:54deeper picture of the folks
- 7:56behind stories like the
- 7:58yogurt shop murder investigations,
- 8:00or even folks that are working in
- 8:01the air traffic control tower,
- 8:03I think reporters have done an
- 8:04excellent job of making those
- 8:06stories come to life.
- 8:07Yeah, bringing Austin to life on
- 8:09the radio.
- 8:10That is Saida Carrillo, she is a
- 8:11senior editor for KUT News.
- 8:13Saida, thank you for your time
- 8:14today.
- 8:14Thanks, Jerry.
- 8:19Buying a home in Austin has
- 8:21come with lots of ups and downs over
- 8:22the last several years.
- 8:24Add in inflation and tariffs and
- 8:26things only get more complicated.
- 8:28But it seems as though the market is
- 8:30starting to level out.
- 8:31KUT's Jennifer Stayton talked about
- 8:33it with KUT City Hall reporter
- 8:35Luz Moreno Lozano.
- 8:37All right, so first of all, let's
- 8:39start just with where we are right
- 8:41now. Luz, what did buying a house
- 8:43look like?
- 8:44In 2025?
- 8:45Well, from what I heard from
- 8:47experts, they felt that buying a
- 8:48house while still not easy
- 8:51was a tad less painful this
- 8:53year. And when I say that, I mean,
- 8:54that means a little less expensive
- 8:56and less competition.
- 8:58And we're going to be talking about
- 8:59why this is happening throughout the
- 9:01conversation, but it seems like, I
- 9:03don't want to jinx it, it seems like
- 9:04those things are starting to
- 9:06stabilize.
- 9:07Is that a fair way to characterize
- 9:09it?
- 9:09Yeah, home prices have
- 9:11started to level off.
- 9:13And that could be better heading
- 9:14into next year.
- 9:16But we should talk about one of the
- 9:17big factors that keep people from
- 9:19purchasing a home, and that's the
- 9:20mortgage interest rate.
- 9:21Right, anybody who right now
- 9:23is buying a house or has bought a
- 9:25house knows that those rates
- 9:26help determine your monthly payment.
- 9:28Exactly.
- 9:29So right now, those interest rates
- 9:30are hovering around 6%
- 9:33for a 30-year fixed loan, and it's
- 9:34a little lower for 15 years.
- 9:37I heard from the Austin Board of
- 9:38Realtors that they expect that
- 9:40to remain around the same.
- 9:42It might even dip a little next
- 9:44year, but that is
- 9:46still relatively high compared
- 9:48to those interest rates we were
- 9:49seeing during the pandemic.
- 9:50Lou, so if the Austin Board of
- 9:52Realtors is right and those rates
- 9:53stay level or maybe even slide a
- 9:55little bit, what could that
- 9:57mean for home buyers?
- 9:59Well, if those rates stay
- 10:00consistent, that could help lead
- 10:02some folks who were on the fence to
- 10:03the purchase side of things.
- 10:05The lower the rate, the less it will
- 10:06cost to buy a home and the
- 10:08more people that will be able to
- 10:10afford to buy one.
- 10:11So we do want to see those rates go
- 10:12down a little bit more.
- 10:13All right, so, Lou, speaking of
- 10:15affording a home, just out of
- 10:17curiosity, what is a home
- 10:19running, roughly price-wise,
- 10:20for Austinites these days?
- 10:22Well, the median home price for
- 10:24the Austin area was $439,000
- 10:27in October, and that's about the
- 10:29same as it was last year.
- 10:31It seems we might see pricing go
- 10:33down a little bit, and we'll get to
- 10:34that in a second, but one of the
- 10:36things to note about that 439K
- 10:39is less than it was more than
- 10:41two years ago.
- 10:42So back in June, 2023,
- 10:44the median Home price peaked out at
- 10:46like $480,000,
- 10:48so.
- 10:49That is what we're talking about
- 10:50when we say, a little less strain on
- 10:51your pocketbook. I mean, that's a
- 10:53pretty big difference.
- 10:53So why is the median home price
- 10:56in Austin lower now than it
- 10:57was a little over two years ago?
- 11:00Right, so home pricing
- 11:01is also determined by supply and
- 11:03demand.
- 11:04I heard from experts that there is a
- 11:06lot of supply right now, both new
- 11:08and resale.
- 11:10Builders put a lot houses on
- 11:11the ground during the pandemic, but
- 11:13also people are starting to move
- 11:14outside of Austin and putting those
- 11:16homes on the market too.
- 11:17So then those suburban areas must be
- 11:19seeing growth.
- 11:20Oh yeah.
- 11:21If you drive anywhere outside
- 11:23Austin right now, it feels like
- 11:25there are new homes in every corner.
- 11:27And what I heard from the Austin
- 11:28Board of Realtors is that more and
- 11:30more developers are starting to
- 11:31build outside of Austin in places
- 11:33like Williamson, Hayes and Bastrop
- 11:34counties, and even in San Antonio
- 11:36and Colleen.
- 11:37And that's because they are wanting
- 11:38to build in these areas because they
- 11:40want to be able to provide homes
- 11:42that people can actually afford.
- 11:44Well, Lou, so that word
- 11:45affordability, what can
- 11:47people actually afford?
- 11:50Yeah, it's an excellent question.
- 11:51Affordability is relative, but I was
- 11:53told that to get more people into
- 11:55housing, that price needs to be
- 11:57closer to like $400,000,
- 12:00in addition to a drop in those
- 12:01mortgage rates that we were all
- 12:03putting on our wishlist.
- 12:04All right, Lou, so then let's talk
- 12:05about what's ahead.
- 12:06What is 2026 looking
- 12:08like for the housing market in the
- 12:10Austin area?
- 12:10Yeah, people in the industry are
- 12:12hopeful that we're going to see more
- 12:14stabilization.
- 12:15We mentioned tariffs and inflation
- 12:16earlier that has started to
- 12:18normalize in the last several months
- 12:19and that is expected to continue.
- 12:21Home prices should stay relatively
- 12:23flat and mortgage rates are likely
- 12:25the same because the
- 12:27less fluctuating there is, the more
- 12:29confident buyers are feeling.
- 12:30And Lou, so the last thing that we
- 12:32should mention about the 2026 market
- 12:34is Austin's efforts to bring
- 12:36housing costs down.
- 12:37Yes, the home initiative.
- 12:39So Austin created that home options
- 12:41for mobility and equity program.
- 12:44The goal is to create more housing
- 12:46and different kinds of housing to
- 12:47make buying a home more affordable.
- 12:50We saw a recent report found that
- 12:52the city is starting to make some
- 12:53headway in this effort.
- 12:54They've had hundreds of permits
- 12:56already approved to create a more
- 12:58dense housing in these single family
- 12:59neighborhoods.
- 13:01And there have been little negative
- 13:02impacts with it.
- 13:03So, Luz, how does the city feel like
- 13:05the program's going right now?
- 13:06Yeah, I think they're encouraged by
- 13:08what they've seen so far, but you
- 13:10know, only time will tell.
- 13:11And they know that this is just
- 13:13one of the tools in the toolbox that
- 13:15helps create more buying options for
- 13:17us tonight.
- 13:18All right, that was KUT City Hall
- 13:19reporter Luz Moreno-Lozano.
- 13:21Thanks for joining us, Luz.
- 13:22Thanks, Jen.
- 13:23And you can read more of her
- 13:25coverage at KUT.org.
- 13:28This is Austin Signal.
- 13:44Hi, you're listening to Austin
- 13:45Signal. My name is Taylor Wallace.
- 13:47I'm the morning drive time host and
- 13:48song of the day producer over at
- 13:50KUTX.
- 13:51And my favorite Austin song of the
- 13:53year is Anything to Get It
- 13:55by Blah Spa.
- 13:56That's what I deserve
- 13:59Shake a leg, shuffle past,
- 14:01send it, eat, deliver No warning,
- 14:04no telling
- 14:05One of my favorite genres
- 14:07is dance punk,
- 14:09so anything that is or is
- 14:11tangential to at all
- 14:13dance punk is
- 14:15me, me all over it,
- 14:17and so it's just like,
- 14:19that whole album is just amazing.
- 14:37I saw these guys a few years ago at
- 14:39Rio Mart, up the street from campus.
- 14:41Yes, there's a convenience store
- 14:43that has random shows at four
- 14:44o'clock in the afternoon, and I
- 14:46was in love.
- 14:50Set me up for the
- 14:52attack
- 14:55For fans of Austin music of decades
- 14:57past, get ready for some
- 14:59real big boys bassline
- 15:01energy.
- 15:02Match with the attitude of the
- 15:03hives.
- 15:06I'm not going to stop Put
- 15:08it up fast, but it don't
- 15:10even hurt
- 15:11And once you've properly fallen in
- 15:13love with them like I do, you can
- 15:14see them at the KUTX Free Week Show
- 15:16Friday, January 9th at Stubbs
- 15:18Indoors.
- 15:22Take me get it
- 15:28And to showcase both of those
- 15:29things, here's a little bit of Blah
- 15:31Spa's Anything to Get It.
- 15:44You're listening to Austin Signal.
- 15:46My name is Taylor Wallace.
- 15:47I'm the morning drive time host at
- 15:48KUTX and the Song of the Day
- 15:50producer.
- 15:55And you can find more of KUTX's
- 15:58favorite songs of 2025
- 16:00that is at KUTx.org.
- 16:05The loss of musicians important to
- 16:07Austin and Central Texas in 2025
- 16:09has been a heavy blow.
- 16:11As we look back at the folks that
- 16:13we've lost, we're also taking time
- 16:15to recognize their musical
- 16:17contributions.
- 16:18Host Miles Bloxson sat down
- 16:20with Rick McNulty, music director
- 16:22for KUT-X.
- 16:23To remember a few of these
- 16:25musicians.
- 16:27It's been really hard out here for
- 16:29Texas music fans.
- 16:30I mean, we just lost Joe
- 16:32Ely a couple weeks ago.
- 16:33Could you tell us a little bit about
- 16:35him?
- 16:35Yeah, he was a...
- 16:37Kind of a rock and roll sort
- 16:39of Texas roots.
- 16:42You know, he performed it with
- 16:43gusto.
- 16:43With a briefcase full of money and
- 16:45a pistol in his boot The
- 16:48cards are on the table when
- 16:50the law came bustin'
- 16:52in The road goes on forever,
- 16:54a party never ends
- 16:59He was a bit of a rebel growing up
- 17:00in Lubbock, and
- 17:02he was kind of
- 17:04a pioneer in the sense of that
- 17:06roots rock with Jimmy Dale, Gilmore,
- 17:08and Butch Hancock with the
- 17:09Flatlanders.
- 17:11And then when their first record
- 17:12went belly up, he just went after it
- 17:14on his own and became
- 17:16actually kind of well known through
- 17:17the Clash of all bands,
- 17:20the English rockers,
- 17:21if you will.
- 17:23And from that point on, he was just
- 17:25kind of the staple of Austin music
- 17:26by the time he had moved here.
- 17:28Oh wow, we've also got a link to
- 17:30the memorial piece on kut.org.
- 17:33We also lost Flaco Jimenez
- 17:35for folks who don't know who was
- 17:37he.
- 17:37He was a brilliant accordionist
- 17:40from San Antonio, caught the
- 17:42attention of Doug Som way back when,
- 17:44joined the Texas Tornadoes,
- 17:46and then he specialized in
- 17:48like Conjunto, Norteño,
- 17:50Tejano, and yet he also recorded
- 17:52with Dr. John, Bob Dylan,
- 17:54Freddie Fender, and the Rolling
- 17:55Stones.
- 18:08And along those lines, we also lost
- 18:10another pioneer of music,
- 18:12Raul Malo, right?
- 18:14I mean, what does he mean to
- 18:16music in Texas in general?
- 18:17Well, even though he was from
- 18:18Florida, we won't hold that against
- 18:20him. Um, he was
- 18:22beloved here.
- 18:22He had a lot of friends on the scene
- 18:24and he was an honorary
- 18:26citizen of Texas.
- 18:27No doubt about it.
- 18:28He was friends with just about
- 18:29everybody in this town.
- 18:32But you need to see
- 18:52and this year also brought the loss
- 18:54of Bobby Whitlock, a key member
- 18:56of Derek and the Dominoes.
- 18:58What should people know about his
- 19:00legacy?
- 19:01Well, he grew up in Memphis
- 19:03and learned how to play organ from
- 19:05Booker T. Of Booker-T.
- 19:06The M.G.'s.
- 19:08Became kind of a soul guy, but then
- 19:10toured in England, became friends
- 19:12with Eric Clapton and George
- 19:13Harrison.
- 19:25Really, the biggest thing about
- 19:27Bobby Whitlock, besides writing a
- 19:28couple of great songs on that
- 19:29Derrick and the Dominoes album, was
- 19:31that he is on
- 19:33the Rolling Stones' greatest album,
- 19:35but he's uncredited, exile on Main
- 19:37Streets, and he's also on George
- 19:38Harrison's All Things Must Pass as a
- 19:40session musician.
- 19:56And finally, there's Todd Snyder.
- 19:58Who is Todd Snyde to Austin?
- 20:00Todd Snyder was a beloved
- 20:01honorary Austinite, if you will.
- 20:03He had an acerbic sense of humor,
- 20:05great songwriter, and
- 20:07cut his teeth a lot here
- 20:09in Central Texas,
- 20:11even though he kind of grew up on
- 20:13the West Coast.
- 20:14A little out of place,
- 20:18a little out-of-tune
- 20:21Sort of lost in space,
- 20:25racing the moon
- 20:29Climbing the walls
- 20:31of this hurricane
- 20:35Still lower off
- 20:40can't complain.
- 20:43All I wanted was one
- 20:45chance.
- 20:50And all of these musicians and all
- 20:51these people who you know advocated
- 20:53for music just in general like
- 20:55how is this for Texas now like
- 20:57what do we do where do we go from
- 20:58here Rick this is this is a lot of
- 21:00a lot, of great musicians that we
- 21:02lost.
- 21:02Well, the first thing we do is get
- 21:03some more bubble wrap and put it
- 21:05around Willie. And then after that,
- 21:07we just, I mean, we're coming
- 21:08to the time in our lives where a lot
- 21:10of these great musicians are hitting
- 21:12a certain age, and you know, a lot
- 21:13them did not treat their body so
- 21:15well. So we're kind of staring
- 21:17down mortality.
- 21:19I think each passing year, for
- 21:21those of the rock generation, it's
- 21:23going to be a little tougher and
- 21:24sadder.
- 21:25And which one of these like hit you
- 21:27the hardest? I mean, because this is
- 21:28a list of a lot of musicians here.
- 21:30Surprisingly, it was Raul Malo.
- 21:32I said I'd never
- 21:34want your love again.
- 21:38I could, you know, I was a fan of
- 21:39the Mavericks, but I didn't really
- 21:41appreciate his
- 21:43singing voice as much as I should
- 21:45have. And then when we were starting
- 21:46to talk about him and play his music
- 21:47right after he passed, it was like,
- 21:49oh, what I wouldn't give to
- 21:51see him one more time live.
- 21:53Yeah, and I think that happens a
- 21:54lot, right? We have these musicians
- 21:56right in front of us and we take
- 21:57them for granted when they're here.
- 21:59And then when they leave, they leave
- 22:00these long-lasting legacies and
- 22:02at least they leave us their music.
- 22:04That is the most valuable lesson is
- 22:06to see them before they go,
- 22:08before they stop coming.
- 22:09And, you know, I've done that
- 22:11myself. I'm like, oh, I'll catch
- 22:12them the next time. No, there is no
- 22:13text next time I wouldn't
- 22:15advise every one of you.
- 22:16If you've got a favorite out there
- 22:17that it's still alive, see them
- 22:18before they do.
- 22:20We've been speaking with KUTX music
- 22:21director Rick McNulty.
- 22:23Rick, thanks so much for being with
- 22:24us here on Austin Sigma.
- 22:26It is a pleasure.
- 22:30And that is it for
- 22:32today's show.
- 22:33We're gonna have a link to a bunch
- 22:34of the stories and the music we
- 22:36talked about in our show notes that
- 22:38is at kut.org
- 22:40slash signal.
- 22:42Kristin Cabrera is our managing
- 22:44producer.
- 22:44Rayna Sevilla is our technical
- 22:46director.
- 22:48And Jimmy Mass is Austin Signal's
- 22:50Santa Claus.
- 22:50I'm his elf and your host, Jerry
- 22:53Quijano.
- 22:53We will be back tomorrow and
- 22:55we'll talk to you then.
- 22:56Have a great Monday.