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Speaker 1: Is the bold perform it tonight more signs that are
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Speaker 1: electricity system is collapsing, but it's not all the fault
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Speaker 1: of Federal Energy Minister Chris Bowen. In fact, tonight I
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Speaker 1: will name the worst NSG minister by far of any
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Speaker 1: Australian government, and all Australia is paying for this person. Well,
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Speaker 1: so tonight the end of the agency. Media Watch hosts
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Speaker 1: Paul Berry, living proof that facts don't count to a
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Speaker 1: climate extremist, and go woke, go broke. I'll show you
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Speaker 1: the car that Jaguar got from this kind of one
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Speaker 1: team that they used to sell it. Oh dear, it
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Speaker 1: is tragic. All that and more, including Sewn Spicer and
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's threat to hamas release the hostages or I'll
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Speaker 1: release all hell. Let's hope, But first I've lost counted
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Speaker 1: the death threats I've had as a commentator. I've got
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Speaker 1: to tell you, but I haven't forgotten the direction they
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Speaker 1: come from. On the one hand, Islamists, on the other,
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Speaker 1: the hard left, climate extremists, race activists, and Tiefer even
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Speaker 1: an AID worker. Would you believe it published my home
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Speaker 1: address wishing me harm three kids at home. These are
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Speaker 1: people who claim to me moral, but's so moral in
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Speaker 1: fact that they feel licensed to act like barbarians. We'll
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Speaker 1: add to the number now, a casual academic at Sydney University,
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Speaker 1: socialist Joel Griggs, who seems to consider himself a bit
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Speaker 1: of a shag Guavara of our suburbs, with his violent
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Speaker 1: and abusive language breathing fire online as he supports every
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Speaker 1: tick box leftists, cause and Israel chick of course, global warming, tick,
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Speaker 1: race politics, tick and anti capitalists or you know, it's
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Speaker 1: really weird, don't you think? You know? These people like
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Speaker 1: to think they're so brave and original, the original thinkers, freethinkers, individuals,
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Speaker 1: and yet look at them, they turn out to be
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Speaker 1: bog standard, utterly predictable, cookie cutter leftist, all chanting exactly
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Speaker 1: the same slogans. How does that work anyway? This jog Griggs,
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Speaker 1: He's posted a picture of a tweet about me and
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Speaker 1: under it written we'll get you one day, you said,
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Speaker 1: dishes traitor's scum and not just bolk panaghee Dean and
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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin and the faceless? Can I use that word anyway?
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Speaker 1: Like the one who wrote and posted this tweet? I
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Speaker 1: was just in my job won't cut it. When the
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Speaker 1: hoypoli finally start lopping off heads, It's like it's still
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Speaker 1: in the French Revolution. This guy. And he also posted
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Speaker 1: a threatening to tweet about members of this strange Jewish association,
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Speaker 1: including a young woman there. That's really off now, someone complained.
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Speaker 1: Sydney University responded by saying it had referred the matter
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Speaker 1: to the police, but his hands were tired beyond that,
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Speaker 1: it said, because Greens had tweeted all this as a
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Speaker 1: private citizen. Gregg's, by the way, now says, oh oh,
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Speaker 1: his threats were just hyperbole. Once again, I've really got
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Speaker 1: to ask Sydney University what kind of academics it chooses
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Speaker 1: to employ. He's not the only one I've mentioned here now.
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Speaker 1: Griggs has actually worked there for eight years, has been
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Speaker 1: elected to the National Tertiary Education Union's branch there. He
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Speaker 1: represents the others there. Anyway, how does a person this radical,
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Speaker 1: this intolerant, this foul mouth you should read some of
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Speaker 1: the tweets, this abusive and this threatening get picked as
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Speaker 1: just the person to help Sydney University educate our young,
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Speaker 1: our dime now, as is the way. While mister Griggs
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Speaker 1: is very free with this high, hyperbolic abuse and blood
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Speaker 1: curdling socialist threats. Himself was remarkably fragile if criticized. Skynews
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Speaker 1: reported Carroll the Marcus who broke the story, asked him
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Speaker 1: to come on as Sky to explain himself or just
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Speaker 1: give a statement. Oh wah wah, wah wah. I mean
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Speaker 1: Griggs is upset, He complains of the people he attacked. Oh,
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Speaker 1: they dosed me. They try to have me sacked, they
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Speaker 1: try to have me arrested, but apparently all that isn't enough,
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Speaker 1: he complains. And now months later they've contacted this zionist
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Speaker 1: hack at Sky Caroline, you see, is Jewish to try
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Speaker 1: and harass and humiliate me. Well asking for replies. Not
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Speaker 1: harassing and humiliating, please, I mean call the wambulance suburban
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Speaker 1: radical has hurt feelings emergency. I mean really, And this
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Speaker 1: is the kind of person who now gets a job
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Speaker 1: in what supposedly our top university. Explains a lot about
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Speaker 1: the state of this country, doesn't it. Now? You might
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Speaker 1: have thought the abatis A government got the message last
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Speaker 1: year when Australian said no to the government's planter di
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Speaker 1: artists by race when sixty percent of us voted against
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Speaker 1: this voice. But what you don't know is that the
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Speaker 1: government is quietly, sneakly going ahead with another element to
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Speaker 1: the Uluru statement that it signed on to making a treaty,
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Speaker 1: in this case, making what looks exactly like a treaty
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Speaker 1: with our aboriginal groups to divide our water, the most
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Speaker 1: precious form of what do we have now? You shouldn't
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Speaker 1: all should have known, really, I mean, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: never really did rule out going ahead with the treaty,
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Speaker 1: did he? There's always vague.
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Speaker 2: You did say on election night that you were committed
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Speaker 2: to the Ularu statement in full, that's voice, truth telling
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Speaker 2: and treaty.
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Speaker 3: Where does that commitment now stand?
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Speaker 4: Well, it hasn't changed in terms of treaty as being
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Speaker 4: negotiated through states and territories. That's at different stages and
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Speaker 4: that is appropriate.
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Speaker 1: And then his Environment Minister Tanya Plevsek, whose plot I
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Speaker 1: really think this is. She always was for a treaty
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Speaker 1: with aborigines.
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Speaker 5: It's pretty simple.
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Speaker 6: Neighbour supports the Laru statement from the heart in full.
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Speaker 7: We support voice, treaty and truth.
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Speaker 1: Is negotiating just that a treaty over irrigation water in
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Speaker 1: the Murray Daling basin water that's actually needed by our farmers.
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Speaker 1: She's the Minister in charge of Environment of Water and
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Speaker 1: bureaucrats of that department have sent out an email saying
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Speaker 1: it is committed to working nation by nation, you know,
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Speaker 1: negotiating with what it claims are separate Aboriginal nations. It
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Speaker 1: says it has its own First Nation's Water Branch in
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Speaker 1: the department, which maintains a network of First Nations peoples
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Speaker 1: in the Murray Darling, including traditional owners, peak bodies, organization's
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Speaker 1: academia and so on. And what's this Aboriginal water branch do. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's working out how to spend one hundred billion dollars
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Speaker 1: of your money to buy irrigation water for these supposed
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal nations to use them basically, well, whatever they dan
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Speaker 1: will want, not necessarily farming at all, maybe cultural stuffix
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Speaker 1: Department says, or spiritual use of water for spiritual stuff.
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Speaker 1: The Plymit Sex Department is so keen to hand over
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Speaker 1: all that water that it's actually paying activists from the
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Speaker 1: so called nations to tell them how they'd like the dosh.
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Speaker 1: It says. The First Nation's Water Branch will ensure that
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Speaker 1: First Nations people are renumerated for their attendance, travel and
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Speaker 1: accommodation to events that facilitate the co design of the
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Speaker 1: enduring water holding arrangements. Nice work. That is exactly how
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Speaker 1: you create a feeding frenzy. You pay people government money
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Speaker 1: to tell you how much more government money they would like.
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Speaker 1: I bet you can see what's going on here. This is, yes, indeed,
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Speaker 1: a form of treaty quietly being negotiated without any press release,
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Speaker 1: any media, a treaty between the Australian Nation and some
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Speaker 1: fifty so called Aboriginal nations over the most precious resource
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Speaker 1: that our farmers in our most important farming area in
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Speaker 1: this country have, and that is water. Where's the debate,
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Speaker 1: where's the opposition? And just to underline what's going on, look,
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Speaker 1: who's overseeing this. The head of the First Nation's water
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Speaker 1: body that's negotiating this water treaty for the government is
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Speaker 1: Public Service Sheryl Hedges, who did device Aboriginal and is
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Speaker 1: advising the government on this and other water deals with Aborigines.
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Speaker 1: Is Virginia Marshall, who also identifies as Aboriginal and is
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Speaker 1: acting chair of the Government's Committee on Aboriginal and Torres
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Speaker 1: Strait Islander water interests Now Marshall is all for a treaty.
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Speaker 1: It was two years ago declaring the Australia is a
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Speaker 1: black nation and the sovereignty or self governing authority of
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Speaker 1: First People's was never ceded, the lands and waters of
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Speaker 1: the first peoples of Australia were never lost. And how
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Speaker 1: she and Tanya Plibacy can do something about just that,
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Speaker 1: get a treaty over the water in the heart of
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Speaker 1: Australian agriculture. All done on the quiet, a new apartheight
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Speaker 1: right under your nose. But I've got to come back
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Speaker 1: to what I raised last night, the collapse of our
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Speaker 1: city system thanks to the global warming religion and this
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Speaker 1: disastrously unscientific plan to power our country an unreliable wind
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Speaker 1: and solar is falling apart because it's impossible. Now just
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Speaker 1: one day, this has just got worse, even worse. Last week,
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Speaker 1: of course, we had people in New South Wales, hold,
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Speaker 1: don't use your recognitions, don't use your washing machines, no,
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Speaker 1: only not fall electrictic on this warm day, solar power
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Speaker 1: had just dropped away. Then yesterday we learned there's a
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Speaker 1: fact too much solar at times at other times, and
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Speaker 1: that could crash the system by making it two unstable.
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Speaker 1: You can't run the system solely and solar. Now you
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Speaker 1: might think that's bad enough. Now we're told today that
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Speaker 1: this whole ghastly experiment is so expensive and power bills
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Speaker 1: have gone up so much that the Australian Energy Regulator
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Speaker 1: says there's been a big jump in people struggling to
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Speaker 1: even pay their energy bills. One hundred and thirty one
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Speaker 1: thousand people now on hardship payment plans are from the
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Speaker 1: ninety six thousand the year before. Opposition leader Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: rammed home the obvious point in a social media video
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Speaker 1: that I suspect will be played again and again before
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Speaker 1: the election.
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Speaker 8: Remember when Anthony Obernezi promised to cut your power bills
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Speaker 8: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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Speaker 1: That was three years ago to the day. And he
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Speaker 1: didn't just promise at once.
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Speaker 4: Two two hundred two hundred and two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 4: five dollarss labour set up ninety seven times before the
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Speaker 4: last election.
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Speaker 1: But what's it delivered? Well, electricity prices are now up
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Speaker 1: to one thousand dollars more than what labor promised join
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Speaker 1: me every Tuesday as the National Senator. Matt Canavan, the
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Speaker 1: former Resources Minister, at a very good one too, Matt,
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Speaker 1: I see a crisis here at cul fired stations going
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Speaker 1: out of business. Most will be gone over the next
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Speaker 1: ten years. That's the prediction. Not enough wind and solders
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Speaker 1: to replace them. In fact, Win and Solder just can't
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Speaker 1: provide the steady, reliable electricity our system needs to stop crashing,
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Speaker 1: and the whole miss costing us more than tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of Australians can even afford.
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Speaker 9: What do you see, well, you and I think Andrew
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Speaker 9: have seen this for many years. We've seen a slow
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Speaker 9: motion train wreck coming towards us all Australians. For many
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Speaker 9: years we've been trying to build a cat and sometimes
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Speaker 9: we'd limited success. But I think reality is starting to
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Speaker 9: drop for a lot of Australians so effectively. The argument
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Speaker 9: now of the renewables boosters is that you must disbelieve
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Speaker 9: your lying eyes. I mean, people can see with their
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Speaker 9: own electricity bills, power prices going up despite investment in
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Speaker 9: renewable energy. People can see their own leaders telling them
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Speaker 9: to turn off their dishwashers. When we used to live
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Speaker 9: in a country where you could pretty much do what
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Speaker 9: you want. We didn't have a problem with shortage of energy,
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Speaker 9: and people see that we actually do live in a
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Speaker 9: country where we export massive amounts of energy to the
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Speaker 9: rest of them well, but we seem to have a
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Speaker 9: shortage of the same thing ourselves. All of these dichotomies,
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Speaker 9: these perplexing hypocrisies, are starting to wake people up, I think,
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Speaker 9: and I reckon, you're getting to a tipping point here
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Speaker 9: where you know, two years ago at the last election,
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Speaker 9: there may have been a lot of excitements about new
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Speaker 9: and shiny, bright things that some kind, some teal candidates
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Speaker 9: we're offering. But the hard cold reality of high power prices,
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Speaker 9: crushing bills, manufacturing businesses going out of business is all
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Speaker 9: dawning on people right now, and so I think you're
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Speaker 9: going to see different political outcomes because of that. There's
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Speaker 9: a real opportunity there, I think for any political party
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Speaker 9: to completely drop this green net zero rubbish run a
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Speaker 9: real alternative that promises lower power prices, that promises to
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Speaker 9: use the energy resources in this country for the benefit
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Speaker 9: of Australians. I think that'll get a lot of support
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Speaker 9: right now.
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Speaker 1: Well, I do hope you're a National's colleagues and the
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Speaker 1: Liberal partners were listening to that little message there that
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Speaker 1: you sent them very cunningly disguised in this interview, Matt,
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Speaker 1: people seem to I think people are forgetting that this
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Speaker 1: is not all because of federal politicians like Chris Bow
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Speaker 1: and the energy minister. Right, I mean, Mattress's driving us
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Speaker 1: over a cliff. That's absolutely correct. We also have to
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Speaker 1: look at the states. In fact, in my opinion, the
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Speaker 1: worst energy minist that by far for sheer stupidity is
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Speaker 1: Victoria's Lily dan Brosio, who last week boasted what her
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Speaker 1: climate change policies were doing issues.
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Speaker 10: We've reduced our emissions in this state by thirty one
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Speaker 10: point three percent. The boom in renewable energy and so
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Speaker 10: many other fantastic policies is what's given us these results.
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Speaker 1: The other results from that policy she didn't include there, Matt,
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Speaker 1: was Victoria's electricity prices in October up more than one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent of the year. Gas bills also doubling, so
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Speaker 1: companies like the makers of Cherry ripes even pleading for help.
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Speaker 1: And that's in part because Dambrosio kept the bam going
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Speaker 1: on gas exploration on land for a decade, until she
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Speaker 1: realized too late Victorians were running out of gas. For
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Speaker 1: all this pain, what actually is the climate gain?
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Speaker 9: Look, I share your assessment there of Lily Deambryosio. I
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Speaker 9: had to sit across the table from her Minister or
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Speaker 9: Councils and Energy, and I don't think there is a
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Speaker 9: more stubborn, obsessive minister in our country. And fundamentally that
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Speaker 9: is what is wrong. Lily sort of sums up exactly
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Speaker 9: what is wrong with.
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Speaker 1: Our energy policy.
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Speaker 9: It's not just that it's sort of pro renewables, it
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Speaker 9: is anti everything else, and there's just no balance. It's
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Speaker 9: just there's a one track mine that we must install
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Speaker 9: more intermittent wind and soul I come what may, they
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Speaker 9: will not listen to any other argument, and we're all
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Speaker 9: paying the price for that. I mean, Victoria has traditionally
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Speaker 9: been our industrial heartland of our country. It's been the
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Speaker 9: strongest manufacturing powerhouse, built on the back of the oil
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Speaker 9: discoveries in the Bastrait and the very very cheap brown
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Speaker 9: coal resources of the Lotrobe Valley. Those two factors turned
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Speaker 9: Victoria into a manufacturing powerhouse in the post war period
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Speaker 9: and it's all very sad now that you're seeing a
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Speaker 9: lot of that industry go, you're seeing a lot of
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Speaker 9: the industry that remains having much higher costs than you
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Speaker 9: mentioned Cadbury. I mean, one of the reasons our groceries
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Speaker 9: are all more expensive is because energy is life, Energy
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Speaker 9: is everything, and if energy prices go up, the price
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Speaker 9: of everything goes up. So you look at milk, you
16:41
Speaker 9: look at cheese, you'll get chocolate. All of these products
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Speaker 9: are going up a lot because their manufactured, processed goods.
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Speaker 9: They take a lot of energy, sometimes a lot of
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Speaker 9: gas to make these products. And if we're as a
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Speaker 9: country not producing that energy, well, the costs of those
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Speaker 9: things are going to go up. And we all feel that.
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Speaker 9: And so this is just another data point for people
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Speaker 9: that people are starting to draw the dots connect the
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Speaker 9: dots that our obsessive, closed minded energy policy stars in
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Speaker 9: this country deserve to be tossed out.
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Speaker 1: They have failed.
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Speaker 11: They have clearly.
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Speaker 9: Everybody everybody responsible for writing energy policy in the last
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Speaker 9: ten years should be sacked. All the regulators should be sacked.
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Speaker 9: They have failed to deliver for this country. We need
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Speaker 9: new leadership in there to try something else because the
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Speaker 9: current approach is clearly failing for Australia.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I'm afraid that's absolutely the case, And people who
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Speaker 1: have woken up earlier had not. So many journalists, particularly
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Speaker 1: on the ABC, not be emotionally invested in this and
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Speaker 1: not awake or not wishing to actually build the cat
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Speaker 1: on what's really going on. I have a word to
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Speaker 1: say about one of them later in the show, Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Well, the Albany
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Speaker 1: is the government really has made a mess of things,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean it's not just with electricity in gas.
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Speaker 1: You think also of the inflation that's made it strains
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Speaker 1: pour over the past eighteen months now we've got poorer.
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Speaker 1: You think also the huge government spending that's made inflation
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Speaker 1: worse and lined us up now for ten straight years
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Speaker 1: to come of budgets in the red. That's the government's
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Speaker 1: own prediction. Or you look at this graphic that came
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Speaker 1: across that should frighten everyone about our future. First off,
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Speaker 1: these are the top four sectors where we actually got
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Speaker 1: most extra workers over the year. Healthcare, administration and support services,
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Speaker 1: public administration, public service, maning and education and training. Now,
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Speaker 1: as you see they are all mainly jobs created by
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Speaker 1: government spending. Government spending the money that's been earned somewhere
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Speaker 1: else in the economy. And speaking of that, now, look
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Speaker 1: at where there's been the biggest job losses in the
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Speaker 1: past year. Manufacturing, construction, professional, scientific and technical services, basically
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Speaker 1: where we create wealth by making building inventing stuff. And
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Speaker 1: then at the bottom is the hospitality industry. Huge call there,
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Speaker 1: which just shows that consumers really are doing it tough
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Speaker 1: and cutting back on spending on things like restaurants and travel.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Scuney's business editor Ross Greenwood. Ross green Well,
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Speaker 1: thanks for your time. This is not a picture of
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Speaker 1: the healthy economy going into Christmas and to an election
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Speaker 1: early next year.
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Speaker 11: Now, it really is not, Andrew. And the reason why
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Speaker 11: you would say that is because the Albanezy government expected
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Speaker 11: by the time the election came around that would have
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Speaker 11: interest rate cuts, it would have faster economic growth, and
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Speaker 11: so as a result, things such as it's increased spending
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Speaker 11: really would have dissipated. It would have actually disappeared in
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Speaker 11: people's minds. It would have been tax cuts, cost of living,
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Speaker 11: relief for energy bills and so forth. What you've got
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Speaker 11: now is really tomorrow we'll see the economic growth numbers
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Speaker 11: come out.
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Speaker 8: They're going to be anemic again.
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Speaker 11: Then on top of that, you've also got a situation
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Speaker 11: where families have had to dip into their savings. So
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Speaker 11: the pain, the cost of living crisis, if you like,
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Speaker 11: is very real. But what people are really missing out
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Speaker 11: there while they're looking at the supermarkets all they're looking
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Speaker 11: at the airlines or looking somewhere else. What you need
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Speaker 11: to be looking at is the government. Because remember that
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Speaker 11: this has been one of the biggest spending, biggest taxing
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Speaker 11: governments in Australian history. And even though say, for example,
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Speaker 11: you've had economist like Chris Richardson say, well, they got
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Speaker 11: lucky at the start because they had full employment, which
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Speaker 11: pays lots of taxes, and they also had the minerals
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Speaker 11: boom in their favor. Well that's now starting to reverse
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Speaker 11: and that's the reason why the revenues for the government
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Speaker 11: are in no way near the shape that they were
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Speaker 11: even twelve months ago. And that's the reason why you
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Speaker 11: might even questioned as to whether the government is game
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Speaker 11: to go and create a new federal budget before they
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Speaker 11: go to the poles.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they will dare unless they're crazy
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Speaker 1: or desperate hoping something will turn up. But they're our
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Speaker 1: fingers being pointed at the Reserve Bank ross. I mean,
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Speaker 1: some economy is saying, well, you know, there's the problem.
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Speaker 1: It's kept interest rates too high for too long, thinking
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Speaker 1: we had too many people in jobs, the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: thinking we'd need more unemployment to take off the pressure
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Speaker 1: and bring down inflation. Are these critics right, No.
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Speaker 11: Because the Reserve Bank up until now has had one
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Speaker 11: primary goal, and that is to bring underlying inflation back
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Speaker 11: into its target band sustainably of between two and three percent. Now,
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Speaker 11: you can always argue as to how they're going to
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Speaker 11: do that. What's happened is that the Treasurer Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 11: changed the rules and said, you've not only just got
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Speaker 11: to look at the inflation rate, you've also got to
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Speaker 11: look at jobs and try and create as many jobs
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Speaker 11: as you possibly can to hold them. Now, the Reserve Bank,
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Speaker 11: true to form, has embarked upon this. But this has
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Speaker 11: really not been tried in any major Western economy really successfully,
21:52
Speaker 11: certainly not. And so while other countries right now are
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Speaker 11: cutting interest rates because they took the hard decision to
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Speaker 11: slow their me much more quickly and drive up there
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Speaker 11: unemployment rate. Australia's drifted and the real problem for Australians
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Speaker 11: is this feeling of really discomfort about the cost of living,
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Speaker 11: the rising taxes because of ongoing inflation that could stick
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Speaker 11: around for some time. And so that doesn't make people
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Speaker 11: happy with the government going into a poll because they
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Speaker 11: do recognize that it's about energy prices, it's about their groceries.
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Speaker 11: But importantly more people are going to understand it's about
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Speaker 11: the amount of tax that this government has taken out
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Speaker 11: of people's pockets as a share of GDP really approaching
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Speaker 11: record highs.
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Speaker 1: Now Ross. If I think people need to see our future,
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Speaker 1: I say, well, go and look at Victoria. Look at
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Speaker 1: Victoria for an example of where we're heading. You'll get
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Speaker 1: a warning. The Business Council has now said that Victoria,
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Speaker 1: which used to be Australia's manufacturing base, has now rated
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Speaker 1: the worst state to do business in because of high taxes,
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Speaker 1: red tape, payroll tax rates, land taxes. In fact, just
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Speaker 1: to start a cafe you need thirty five or thirty
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Speaker 1: six licenses. The premiers cross today here she is people.
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Speaker 12: From Sydney like, look, this is a view from others.
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Speaker 8: What I'm focused on. What I am focused on.
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Speaker 12: Is Victorians, Victorians in jobs, because behind every job is
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Speaker 12: a worker and a family who needs The Victorian government
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Speaker 12: focused on then, and that's what I'm doing, focused on
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Speaker 12: busy families and building those things that families need.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fine words, but I don't think they answer the
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Speaker 1: point that the Business Council is making. How much trouble
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Speaker 1: is Victoria in and is the rest of Australia going
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Speaker 1: to pay?
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Speaker 11: Well, let's make one little example, and that is when
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Speaker 11: the Labor Government came to power, the debt in Victoria
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Speaker 11: was give or take about forty billion dollars. It suggested
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Speaker 11: that by twenty twenty eight that debt will be two
23:53
Speaker 11: hundred and twenty eight billion dollars and rising fast has
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Speaker 11: come out of the Order to General of Victoria. For
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Speaker 11: those people the Premier was talking about in Victoria that
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Speaker 11: she's concentrating on. Can I just suggest a little weekend
24:03
Speaker 11: away to Sydney or maybe to Brisbane. We'll go to Adelaide,
24:06
Speaker 11: for example, and you will discover quite a different mood
24:09
Speaker 11: and quite a different city. You'll find, in particular, the
24:12
Speaker 11: moods are much brighter, the people seem to be a
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Speaker 11: lot happier, their house prices are going up, and you
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Speaker 11: won't see as many people beholden to the government for
24:21
Speaker 11: their jobs. In Brisbane, certainly under the Palichet government there
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Speaker 11: were was a significant number of increases in public servants.
24:29
Speaker 11: But what you've seen even under federal government, the federal
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Speaker 11: labor government and also the state labor governments, you've seen
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Speaker 11: a significant increase in the number of people who rely
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Speaker 11: on government or government policy, childcare, age care, basically public
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Speaker 11: servants of all sorts really who are beholden to the
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Speaker 11: government for their jobs. And so this is a really
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Speaker 11: important aspect if you want to get Victoria moving again,
24:54
Speaker 11: If you want to get Australia moving again, Victoria has
24:57
Speaker 11: got to become more competitive. Increasing taxes drives business out
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Speaker 11: of any state. Having some of the highest energy bills
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Speaker 11: in Australia drives businesses out of your state. Government can't
25:10
Speaker 11: do it all. It needs private enterprise to be encouraged
25:13
Speaker 11: and incentivized to live in that state, to exist in
25:16
Speaker 11: that state, to employ in that state.
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Speaker 1: So what you're saying there Ross is to the rest
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Speaker 1: of Australia look at Victoria and be warned, do not
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Speaker 1: do what they're doing there. Thanks for your time. Quite okay.
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Speaker 1: After the break, Donald Trump tells Hamas to free the
25:36
Speaker 1: remaining hostages or he'll make all hell break loose in
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Speaker 1: the Middle East. What does he mean? Donald Trump won't
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Speaker 1: be sworn in as president for another month and a half,
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Speaker 1: but it's already just shaking things up. The latest example,
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Speaker 1: he tweeted a threat to the mass terrorists who still
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Speaker 1: hold one hundred and one Jewish hostages after fourteen months,
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Speaker 1: and half of them still believed to be alive, including
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Speaker 1: American Dan Alexander. Now A Mass released a video of
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Speaker 1: Alexander yesterday pleading for help. Trump's response to tweet, if
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Speaker 1: the hostages are not released prior to January twenty, twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office has
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Speaker 1: print in the United States, there will be all held
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Speaker 1: to pay in the Middle East, and for those in
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Speaker 1: charge you perpetrated these atrocities against humanity, those responsible will
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Speaker 1: be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the
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Speaker 1: long and storied history of the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Sean Spice. It was the first White
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Speaker 1: House spokesman when Donald Trump was first president, Sewan Spicer,
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Speaker 1: are great to see you all held to pays as
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. What's he actually threatening here?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, I think Donald Trump wants a deal.
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Speaker 5: And if I can just segue for a moment backwards
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Speaker 5: a couple days ago and when you and I spoke last,
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Speaker 5: I think he had just threatened Mexico, China and Canada
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Speaker 5: with because they were allowing fentanyl to flow into our country.
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Speaker 5: What did you immediately see the President of Mexico call
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Speaker 5: on Donald Trump to have a conversation vice. I mean,
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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, flew down to
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Speaker 5: mar Lago to spend Thanksgiving with him at his resort
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Speaker 5: down there. And I think that this is again that
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Speaker 5: kind of idea that he's basically saying to Hamas, all right,
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Speaker 5: you're holding us hostages. I am not going to tolerate that.
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Speaker 5: I am going to demand you release them or you
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Speaker 5: will pay the price. And I think one of the
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Speaker 5: things that the world is quickly going to be reminded
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Speaker 5: is that Donald Trump is going to be a very
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Speaker 5: different president than Joe Biden was, and probably even more
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Speaker 5: stronger excuse me, stronger than he was the first term.
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Speaker 5: Now that he's sort of four years wiser, if you will, Andrews. So,
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Speaker 5: I think he's just putting the world on notice on
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Speaker 5: multiple fronts that the game is about to change again.
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Speaker 5: He is in charge, he is going to demand change,
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Speaker 5: not just here at home among our government, but throughout
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Speaker 5: the world.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's got some license to do more
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Speaker 1: than Joe Biden has done with Israel, given that you've
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Speaker 1: actually got Americans hostage, or at least their body is
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Speaker 1: still kept. There was an American hostage of course video
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Speaker 1: released a day or two ago. So I suspect he's
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Speaker 1: got license to intervene very much more directly than Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden did. So we shall see about that. But talking
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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden, we discussed last night Sean on this show,
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Speaker 1: how he'd broken his promise made many many times that
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Speaker 1: he would not pardon his son Hunter, and now he has.
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Speaker 1: In fact, he's pardoned him, not just for the two crimes,
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Speaker 1: one of which is found guilty one that is pleaded
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Speaker 1: guilty too, of tax evasion and lying about his drug
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Speaker 1: habit when he bought a gun, but for anything he
28:54
Speaker 1: may have done in the past decade, which of course
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Speaker 1: includes what he got up to Ukraine peddling influencer for
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Speaker 1: a corrupt gas company. Now this must have surely Sean
29:08
Speaker 1: embarrassed Joe Biden's many media barrackers like Jennifer Saki, who's
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Speaker 1: his former White House spokesman, now an MAGSNBC host who
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Speaker 1: would boast boast have Biden in saying this, he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't pardon his son showed character. I've listened to
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Speaker 1: her now though then before Now I'm not partner.
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Speaker 13: Joe Biden's character as a public servant is what drove
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Speaker 13: him to make clear that the law applies to everyone.
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Speaker 13: His decision not to pardon his son is not an
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Speaker 13: expression of restraint or removal in any way from what
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Speaker 13: his son has gone through and is continuing to go through,
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Speaker 13: but of principle, because the justice system that convicted his
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Speaker 13: only surviving son is the same justice system he's about
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Speaker 13: to protect. And if that doesn't tell you who Joe
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Speaker 13: Biden is, I don't really know what.
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Speaker 1: Does shuld Spicer, House and mainstream media now react to
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Speaker 1: this reversal.
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Speaker 5: It's amazing how the US press has handled this. We've
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Speaker 5: gone from Joe Biden lied to us he flip flopped
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Speaker 5: on his promise to Republicans are attacking Joe Biden. So
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Speaker 5: it's our fault on our side of the aisle because
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Speaker 5: he blatantly and patently misled everyone. Look, there's they're trying
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Speaker 5: to do a slight a hand here, which is, oh,
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Speaker 5: it's my son.
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Speaker 8: Well he's known it's his son.
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Speaker 5: For whatever the last forty years. This isn't a surprise.
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Speaker 5: So suddenly to use that excuse. He has, up until
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Speaker 5: two weeks ago, give an interview, after an interview where
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Speaker 5: he has said that Hunter was treated fairly and that
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Speaker 5: you know, there was no problem.
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Speaker 8: There's a few issues with all of this.
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Speaker 5: So Number one, he was unequivocal up until a couple
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Speaker 5: of weeks so there was no reason that he would
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Speaker 5: give a pardon to his son, that the justice system
30:48
Speaker 5: had worked behind today somehow, it's a travesty what happened
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Speaker 5: that he was singled out.
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Speaker 8: He's never made that claim before.
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Speaker 5: Number two, the two fundamental issues that Hunter Biden was
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Speaker 5: convicted on, okay after by the way he gave up
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Speaker 5: a sweetheart deal, was one on lying on a gun application,
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Speaker 5: a federal gun application. In two on not paying his
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Speaker 5: taxes millions of dollars, the two things that the Democratic
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Speaker 5: Party outside of abortion, rally and care most about. So
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Speaker 5: how do you look yourself in the face as any
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Speaker 5: Democrat in this country right now and say, the next
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Speaker 5: time that we call for stricter gun laws, the next
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Speaker 5: time we talk about the rich paying their fair share,
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Speaker 5: we sat by and were silent as Joe Biden's kid
31:30
Speaker 5: did nothing and then he pardoned them. Secondly, you brought
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Speaker 5: up this other issue. Why is this pardon, which is
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Speaker 5: sweeping in its historical nature, good for eleven years about
31:42
Speaker 5: any crime? This only begs the question what else did
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Speaker 5: he do? What don't we know about? And also who
31:49
Speaker 5: else is caught up in this? Because my bet, and
31:52
Speaker 5: I'm willing to put down some serious cash on this,
31:56
Speaker 5: is that Jim Biden, his brother, will also be pardoned
31:59
Speaker 5: later because he's probably complicit in all of this. It
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Speaker 5: wasn't like Hunter was doing a lot of this stuff
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Speaker 5: on his own. And so I have a feeling, Andrew,
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Speaker 5: that we're going to see more pardons before January twentieth,
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five at noon.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to trump you on this. One should use
32:18
Speaker 1: the word trump, and I am going to trump you
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Speaker 1: on this one, Sean Spicer, I reckon he pardoned himself
32:24
Speaker 1: because if he is away Hunter Biden, I'm glad you
32:27
Speaker 1: think the courts on what his influence peddling, his influence peddling,
32:31
Speaker 1: and allegations that he passed off some of the ill
32:35
Speaker 1: gotten gains to the big guy, his father, that would
32:39
Speaker 1: have seen Joe Biden caught up in it. So I
32:42
Speaker 1: think he pardoned himself.
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Speaker 5: I agree, I think he's pardons the whole Biden family.
32:47
Speaker 5: He'll probably start with his brother Jim. But I think
32:49
Speaker 5: that you're absolutely right because I think he's scared of
32:52
Speaker 5: what a Trump Justice Department at Trump FBI actually can
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Speaker 5: look at, and that's why he started with Hunter and
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Speaker 5: pardon him blanketly. But it's interesting. I just I think
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Speaker 5: this is going to go further and further, and they've
33:05
Speaker 5: only raised more questions because the average person sits back
33:08
Speaker 5: and says, let me get this straight.
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Speaker 1: He was convicted of.
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Speaker 5: Two things, of which you say the Department of Justice,
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Speaker 5: which you control, by the way, was on a witch
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Speaker 5: hunt against your own son. Okay, I don't buy that,
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Speaker 5: but now you have to pardon him for eleven years
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Speaker 5: for crimes that we don't even know about after saying
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Speaker 5: that nobody was above the law.
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Speaker 8: What did he do? What do you know, Joe Biden?
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Speaker 8: Who else is involved?
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Speaker 5: But there's a lot of questions and you notice that
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Speaker 5: right after he did this, he got on a plane
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Speaker 5: and got out of town.
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Speaker 1: L SPOSA, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 8: Always a pleasure, edgie. Thank you.
33:43
Speaker 1: After the break, an ABC host says goodbye in a
33:47
Speaker 1: show which takes one more wack of Sky News that
33:51
Speaker 1: shows by global warming is a cult that's dead to
33:54
Speaker 1: reason system. Our whole economy has been wrecked by a
34:02
Speaker 1: global warming hysteria that's really like a cult. Last night,
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Speaker 1: for instance, Paul Barry did his final media watch show
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Speaker 1: on the ABC. Did all this biases hang out? Nearly
34:12
Speaker 1: fifth of the shows an attack on Sky News because we,
34:15
Speaker 1: unlike the ABC, also hire conservatives. But what particularly offended
34:21
Speaker 1: Barry is that we dared to question global warming alarmism,
34:24
Speaker 1: including his own or as he falsely put it, where.
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Speaker 3: Denies denying science with a relentless campaign to hold back
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Speaker 3: action on climate change, which in my view is the
34:36
Speaker 3: media's worst crime during my time in the job. The
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Speaker 3: Australian campaign almost as hard ridiculing climate catastrophus, accusing scientists
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Speaker 3: of exaggerating the state of the Great Barrier Reef.
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Speaker 1: Now, what Barry didn't add was how I and others
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Speaker 1: had ridiculed Barry himself and how we were in fact
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Speaker 1: right about this alarmism over the reef, and he was
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Speaker 1: very wrong when he promoted this.
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Speaker 3: Reef's scientists predicting the Great Barrier Reef could be wiped
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Speaker 3: out by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: In fact, even Barry's ABC has had to admit a
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Speaker 1: report two years ago showed the Great Barrier Reef coral
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Speaker 1: cover then at record levels, not that Barrier ever admitted
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Speaker 1: that himself. And that's what's so telling for me. Barry
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Speaker 1: must have seen some of the things have said and
35:25
Speaker 1: written debunking his alarmism and that of others. But it's
35:28
Speaker 1: made zero difference that I can tell to his thinking. Now,
35:32
Speaker 1: I just gave you one example. Like many on the
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Speaker 1: ABC or the Greens or Labor, Barry keeps believing what
35:38
Speaker 1: it insitts on believing, and even says, as you heard,
35:42
Speaker 1: that people like me who warn against doing something useless
35:45
Speaker 1: about exaggerated climate crisis are actually sinners. We are guilty
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Speaker 1: in fact of the worst crime in journalism Barry has
35:54
Speaker 1: ever seen in the job. Does that sound like a
35:57
Speaker 1: journalist committed to debate reason and science or a member
36:02
Speaker 1: of a cult joining me? Is the panel? Will Kingston,
36:05
Speaker 1: host of Far at Will, a podcast from The Spectator
36:07
Speaker 1: and Politics and Culture and Scale is so Saineika to Georgia,
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Speaker 1: Danika and James every Sunday here at eight pm. I mean, honestly, Will,
36:16
Speaker 1: Does someone like Barry help you to understand once country
36:18
Speaker 1: has talked itself into destroying an electricity system that worked? Yeah?
36:25
Speaker 2: I once thought that people like Paul Barry were deluded
36:29
Speaker 2: and often well meaning, but just deluded. I now think
36:32
Speaker 2: they don't believe what they're saying. I think they are
36:35
Speaker 2: lying to you. And there's the obvious argument for that,
36:38
Speaker 2: which is they don't change their own lifestyles as a
36:41
Speaker 2: result of the climate change threat, you know, whether it
36:43
Speaker 2: be buying big cars or waterfront beach properties. There's another
36:48
Speaker 2: point which needs to be said, which is if they
36:50
Speaker 2: were serious about the climate change threat, they would look
36:53
Speaker 2: at it as a foreign policy challenge, not as a
36:55
Speaker 2: domestic policy challenge. We all know Australia doesn't make an
36:58
Speaker 2: ounce of difference to the global climate. So what you
37:00
Speaker 2: would do is you would look at China, the US,
37:02
Speaker 2: and India, that's where all the climate emissions come from,
37:05
Speaker 2: and you would say, we're going to do everything we
37:07
Speaker 2: can to pressure you to lower your emissions. Where that
37:09
Speaker 2: be tariffs, where that be excluding you from global organizations.
37:13
Speaker 2: If you actually think it is going to end the world,
37:15
Speaker 2: you would go to war with them over this sort
37:17
Speaker 2: of stuff. We don't do that. We don't look at
37:20
Speaker 2: the frog policy threat. Instead, we just ruin our own
37:23
Speaker 2: local energy prices. That to me is the biggest tell
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Speaker 2: that this actually isn't really about the environment for these guys.
37:29
Speaker 2: It's about some faux Marxian new world order.
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Speaker 1: I think so almost a religion. I've got to disagree
37:37
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think we can say that it's
37:39
Speaker 1: laying because we don't know in his mind. I actually
37:42
Speaker 1: do think there's an element of self delusion here will
37:46
Speaker 1: that I really think. I don't think he's sitting in
37:48
Speaker 1: there thinking I'm going to tell a deliberate falsehood. I
37:51
Speaker 1: think his mind is working in a different way.
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Speaker 7: What do you make of this, Danika, Well, I just
37:57
Speaker 7: think it's extraordinary. At the very end of the clip
38:01
Speaker 7: that was played last night on Media Watch. He saw
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Speaker 7: Paul Barry Andrew hugging some of his colleagues there, and
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Speaker 7: I would say there was about twenty to twenty five
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Speaker 7: of them.
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Speaker 1: Show that. While you're talking, hang on, let's ask the
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Speaker 1: producers the show exactly that? Well, go on, Deneaka, Yes.
38:16
Speaker 7: Look, I mean look at this. This is extraordinary to me.
38:18
Speaker 7: Look how many people there are. There are no media
38:21
Speaker 7: organizations in this country, Andrew, that I can think of
38:25
Speaker 7: that have that many people working for just a fifteen
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Speaker 7: minute show. Most put to air a one hour show
38:31
Speaker 7: some once a week. They don't have that many people.
38:34
Speaker 7: So it goes to show how overfunded the ABC is,
38:37
Speaker 7: but particularly how much money is being poured into ABC's
38:41
Speaker 7: Media Watch. Look, Paul Barry has always been a climate alamis.
38:45
Speaker 7: Last night, you know he mentioned the twenty twenty bushfires
38:49
Speaker 7: here in Australia as the worst. Well, we've had multiple
38:52
Speaker 7: bad bushfires. I as a young reporter in Perth, covered
38:56
Speaker 7: many in regional Western Australia. So it's just a total
39:00
Speaker 7: it's just complete rubbish. But I would take it as
39:02
Speaker 7: a compliment Andrew, you've clearly lived rent free in Paul
39:05
Speaker 7: Barry's head for so many years that he's dedicated his
39:09
Speaker 7: final show to speaking quite a bit about you. Perhaps
39:11
Speaker 7: Paul Barry needs to go and take a holiday. Andrew
39:14
Speaker 7: out at the Great Barrier Reef, which is so concerned about, Well, I've.
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Speaker 1: Got to say, you know what, with the fifteen sixteen
39:22
Speaker 1: seventeen staff there for a twenty minute once a week's show,
39:26
Speaker 1: I've got a staff of exactly three producers to help
39:29
Speaker 1: me put out an hour long show four times a week.
39:33
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, no wonder can I add to that? Andrew?
39:37
Speaker 1: The other day, well, I can I add to that?
39:39
Speaker 2: I did some work with one station in the UK
39:43
Speaker 2: that just did away with the makeup lady because they're
39:45
Speaker 2: trying to cover costs. Another one I literally couldn't find
39:48
Speaker 2: a pen to write down some notes before the show
39:51
Speaker 2: they did away with the stationary cabinet. These media businesses
39:54
Speaker 2: are trying desperately to make ends meet in an environment
39:58
Speaker 2: where mainstream media is under an immense pressure. I just
40:01
Speaker 2: cannot see how someone like Paul Barry wouldn't be immensely
40:04
Speaker 2: embarrassed putting that photo out. It is and yet another
40:07
Speaker 2: argument for the ABC needs to be defunded.
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Speaker 1: I think that's totally correct, totally correct. Couldn't agree with
40:15
Speaker 1: you more. Daniker I opened the show by mentioning an
40:18
Speaker 1: academic Sydney University's posted a thread against me. Just hyperbole,
40:22
Speaker 1: is now said. I see that he's argued several times
40:26
Speaker 1: and is very abusive and foul mouthed twitter feed that
40:28
Speaker 1: he should he shouldn't be polite. That civility is in
40:31
Speaker 1: fact a weapon that the powerful use against the rest
40:35
Speaker 1: of us, he says, and this is from someone who's
40:37
Speaker 1: actually teaching the university. This is f civility, F racist,
40:41
Speaker 1: f the Australian right. Is he correct? This civility just
40:44
Speaker 1: a weapon against the unprivileged.
40:47
Speaker 7: I had to laugh when I saw this, Andrew, this
40:49
Speaker 7: is quite extraordinary statement by this gentleman. Look, you know
40:54
Speaker 7: he's talking there in his tweet that civility is a
40:56
Speaker 7: weapon that the powerful yous and I know in relation
41:00
Speaker 7: to that tweet, he was talking about an instance in
41:03
Speaker 7: Parliament that we saw last week where Fatima Payman was
41:06
Speaker 7: actually attacking Pauline Hanson. Well, let's be honest, that's sort
41:11
Speaker 7: of attacking sort of politics got the Democrats nowhere in
41:16
Speaker 7: the United States for example, So no I would disagree
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Speaker 7: with his statement.
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Speaker 1: I guess, well the amount of time just quickly, I
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Speaker 1: guess he's just someone addicted to an ideology of force
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Speaker 1: a socialism, the revolutionary thing fitsts in the air. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, also, how he still thinks he is the oppressed
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Speaker 2: one when he actually now is very much part of
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Speaker 2: the establishment that holds the power in society. It's amazing
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Speaker 2: how the left have and got that into their headship.
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Speaker 1: Thinking the Georgio Wilkinson, thank you very much for you
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Speaker 1: to you both. Honestly, maybe we do a lot of
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Speaker 1: good if we has distributed mirrors to a lot of
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Speaker 1: the officers of some academics. After the break, Won't Go
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Speaker 1: Broke revealed the kind of kind of Jaguar's just built.
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Speaker 1: Now that this is the kind of woke team, it's
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Speaker 1: hard to sell it. Go go Brokes, not just the slogan.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I think woke is now what's killing the
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Speaker 1: Europe's car industry. I mean, just one example, I've just
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Speaker 1: seen the latest Jaguar. British based Jaguar used to make
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Speaker 1: some of the world's most beautiful cars. I dreamed of
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Speaker 1: one day being rich enough to own one, but I
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Speaker 1: was wondering when I saw Jaguars the latest very woke
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Speaker 1: ad all diversity and transgender and gender fluidity and rainbow
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Speaker 1: colors are not a single image of a car. What
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Speaker 1: kind of car such a company would actually produce under
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Speaker 1: such management? And now we know, because here elak pictures
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Speaker 1: of the new Jaguar in Barbie pink, although you can
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Speaker 1: also get in the kind of powder blue. The grace
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Speaker 1: is totally gone from the front of it. It's far
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Speaker 1: more angular, and the back now looks like an air conditioner.
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Speaker 1: Even the steering wheel has been sort of knocked out
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Speaker 1: of shape, knocked out of the round to look more awkward.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, what have they done? Joining me is Paul Gover,
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Speaker 1: former car racing, one of our most experienced murdering journalists,
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Speaker 1: inducted even into the Supercars Media Hall of Fame. Paul
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Speaker 1: always loved to see you and interested by your insights.
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Speaker 1: Going woke to me has done Jaguar no favors that
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Speaker 1: I can see. You're the expert. What did you make
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Speaker 1: of it?
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Speaker 8: I'm trying to think of the right word.
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 8: It's like watching a plane crash in real time.
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Speaker 6: You say that these photos have leaked on the Internet,
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Speaker 6: which they did, but jag of so much lost control
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Speaker 6: of the whole narrative around this rebranding, reinvention, whatever you
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Speaker 6: want to call it. That Then they send out the
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Speaker 6: official photos one day later, and interestingly for me, they've
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Speaker 6: been a date stamped at that automotive hotbed of design
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Speaker 6: and engineering, Miami, Florida.
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Speaker 8: Doesn't that tell you?
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Speaker 6: That adds another element to the whole train wreck, doesn't it?
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Speaker 1: Pimp my car is what I'm thinking when I look
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Speaker 1: at it. I mean, it's a little bit. I know
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Speaker 1: that Evon Musker truck is a little bit.
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Speaker 8: It's the cyber truck.
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Speaker 6: There's no grace in it, no, no, no, But grace
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Speaker 6: and elegance are things that Jagua doesn't want to have
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Speaker 6: anymore because that's the old values, that's the old Jagger.
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Speaker 6: And I can understand that they want to get away
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Speaker 6: from the English gentleman's club. Look, they used to have
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Speaker 6: big Chesterfield type seats and wood on the steering wheel
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Speaker 6: and the dashboard and all that, and I can understand
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Speaker 6: they wanted to move away from that to some degree.
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Speaker 8: But let me tell you, this Jaguar.
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Speaker 6: Has been known for quite a long time by any
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Speaker 6: English by an Indian company and the guy who was
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Speaker 6: in charge was Ratan Tata, huge, huge car buff And
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Speaker 6: I know they're former design chief, a guy called Ian Cullum,
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Speaker 6: ripper bloke who also did hot up bits. Would you
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Speaker 6: believe for Holden special vehicles. But Ratan Tata would always
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Speaker 6: go first to.
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Speaker 1: The design studio.
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Speaker 6: When he went to the UK on a visit, he
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Speaker 6: would be rolling over in his grave. He died last
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Speaker 6: year and I would argue that if he was still alive,
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Speaker 6: this would not have happened.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know all that better than I do. But
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it either. The cur industry's battle, though
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Speaker 1: with woke them, Paul, I think, is actually more serious.
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Speaker 1: I mean they've been trained to force Europeans to go
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Speaker 1: electric to save the planet, forcing us as well, turning
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Speaker 1: out to be a fatal for some companies, with Germany's
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Speaker 1: iconic Volkswagen now facing strikes over its plans to save
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Speaker 1: itself by closing perhaps three of its ten plants and
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Speaker 1: cutting wages about ten percent. And it's not the only
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Speaker 1: company in Europe in trouble, isn't American ones also struggling?
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Speaker 1: What's the issue here?
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Speaker 6: Well, the issue here it's not necessarily wokeness, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: It sort of is in a way.
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Speaker 6: The Europe went extremely green under the influence mostly of
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Speaker 6: the German political situation, and they basically forced the car
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Speaker 6: companies to sign up to doing these you know, we're
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Speaker 6: going to be one hundred percent electric for the future.
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Speaker 6: And for about ten minutes there it looked like a
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Speaker 6: great idea, new technology, elong Musk, promising the future. But
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Speaker 6: what's happened is the early adopters and you and your
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Speaker 6: left wing people have all got the people who wanted
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Speaker 6: to have an electric car have an electric car. So
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Speaker 6: the government saw went well, we can wind back the incentives.
46:46
Speaker 6: As soon as they took the incentives away, sales started
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Speaker 6: a tank. It's just a downward spiral. And the same
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Speaker 6: thing is happening here in Australia. And it's not because
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Speaker 6: we're being forced fed these cars. It's because nobody asked
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Speaker 6: the actual consumers if they were ready for this. They
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Speaker 6: just assumed, like Jagger was doing that, everybody's on board
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Speaker 6: for their ride, not the ride that the consumer wants.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a mystery, isn't it. Do you want asking
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Speaker 1: these humans? Do you want to spend pay more? For
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Speaker 1: a car that doesn't go as far and takes ten
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Speaker 1: times longer to actually refuel, and they're thinking maybe not
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Speaker 1: we in fact hand energy. Mister Chris Bone passed to
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Speaker 1: tough new emission standards force us to buy eighty nine
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Speaker 1: percent of all new cars in twenty thirty electric Last
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Speaker 1: House figures show there were just six percent. Same problem.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh exactly at the beginning of the fourteen percent.
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Speaker 6: It's now dropped to eight percent and dropping fast. Australians
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Speaker 6: are interested in this sort of stuff, but they're interested
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Speaker 6: stuff that helps their hip pocket and the.
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Speaker 8: Car that does that for them is a hybrid.
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Speaker 6: So there's a huge rise in hybrid cars, not bad
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Speaker 6: tree electric cars, fully battery electric cars, and.
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Speaker 8: That's where we send to go now.
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Speaker 6: Toyota globally is forecasting that there will be three or
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Speaker 6: four channels for the future, everything from combustion that's diesel
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Speaker 6: and petrol through to hydrogen in the.
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Speaker 8: Next ten years or so.
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Speaker 6: We're somewhere on that transition, but there is no way
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Speaker 6: we're going to get to eighty nine percent. Minister Bowen
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Speaker 6: again is living in Canberra where everybody loves to have
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Speaker 6: an electric car because they have solar on the roof,
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Speaker 6: and they're doing a great job of converting Canberra to renewables,
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Speaker 6: but it doesn't work anywhere else in the country, and
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Speaker 6: so I think they're living in a Canberra Go, Andrew,
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Speaker 6: exactly about.
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Speaker 1: To talk to you. Very generous of your time. Got
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Speaker 1: to go. Thank you so much for that. That's it
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Speaker 1: for me. Coming up next, Sherry markson good Night,