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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: Day 16 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: It's been two weeks since our mom was taken, and
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to come on and say that we
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Speaker 2: still have hope and we still believe, and I wanted
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Speaker 2: to say to whoever has her or knows where she is,
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Speaker 2: that it's never too late, and you're not lost or alone,
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Speaker 2: and it is never too late to do the right thing.
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Speaker 2: And we are here. We believe, and we believe in
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Speaker 2: the essential goodness of every human being. And it's stubber
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Speaker 2: two y.
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Speaker 3: A man claiming to know who kidnapped Nancy Guthrie and
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Speaker 3: her current location reaches out to TMZ for the fourth time,
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Speaker 3: still demanding fifty thousand in Bitcoin up front then he
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Speaker 3: will provide the information. The email is using the same
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Speaker 3: Bitcoin account as previous emails and says in part, I
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Speaker 3: know what I saw five days ago south of the border,
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Speaker 3: and I was told to shut up, so I know
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Speaker 3: who he is and that was definitely Nancy with them.
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Speaker 3: This is now the second time the rat has suggested
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Speaker 3: there is more than one person involved in the kidnapping.
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Speaker 3: Also in his previous missive he said quote be prepared
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Speaker 3: to go international. The man says he has a burglary
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Speaker 3: on his record from ten years ago, so he's scared
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Speaker 3: to come forward, presumably fearing he'd be implicated. TMZ replies
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Speaker 3: directly to the individual with an offer, if you are
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Speaker 3: for real, send us the information regarding the whereabouts of
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Speaker 3: Nancy and her kidnappers. We will immediately forward the information
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Speaker 3: to the FBI. If it leads to finding Nancy and
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Speaker 3: or the kidnappers, you then have a public record that
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Speaker 3: you are the one responsible, thus ensuring you will get
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Speaker 3: the reward. The FBI is aware we are making this overture.
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Speaker 3: This is the second note received by TMZ after the
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Speaker 3: rat said there would be no more communication.
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Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie missing day six Daine and that plea from
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Speaker 4: our friend Savannah Guthrie the most heartbreaking plea as of tonight,
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Speaker 4: good evening. I mean, see Grace, this is crimes to
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Speaker 4: I want to thank you for being with us. Savannah Guthrie,
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Speaker 4: beaten down, exhausted, obviously not eating, appeals to the essential goodness.
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Speaker 4: She says that is in every human being, begging them
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Speaker 4: it's not too late to do the right thing, stating
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Speaker 4: obviously stating she believes her mother, Nancy is alive. Also
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Speaker 4: at this hour, breaking developments over the last weekend, over
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Speaker 4: the last day, straight out to Dave Matt Crime Story's
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Speaker 4: investigative reporter, d NA, tell me everything.
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Speaker 5: All right, starting at the beginning, Nancy. DNA found at
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Speaker 5: Nancy Guthrie's home has been determined to belong to someone
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Speaker 5: not in close contact with Nancy Guthrie. This is explosive
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Speaker 5: information as it's the first indicator we have that DNA
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Speaker 5: belonging to someone not related, not in close contact with Nancy,
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Speaker 5: found at the home Nancy. We also have the glove,
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Speaker 5: the glove found about a mile and a half from
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Speaker 5: Nancy's home, that too is being tested, and that too
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Speaker 5: has male DNA. The glove with the DNA looks like
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Speaker 5: what the glove we saw in the surveillance video from
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Speaker 5: the nest camera on Nancy Guthrie's front door. That glove
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Speaker 5: that we saw in that video is what appears to
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Speaker 5: be the glove found in the desert a mile and
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Speaker 5: a half from her home with DNA. So those are
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Speaker 5: your two big DNA explosions right now in the investigation.
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Speaker 4: That's right. The glove found near Nancy Guthrie's home about
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Speaker 4: one point five miles from her home does contain DNA evidence.
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Speaker 4: All those so called experts claiming it would not contain
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Speaker 4: DNA are wrong. Also, the glove found with DNA evidence
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Speaker 4: on it appears to be what the suspect in the
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Speaker 4: video was wearing. According to the FBI, the black glove
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Speaker 4: found near Nancy Guthrie's home contains DNA evidence and it
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Speaker 4: is being tested. We could be hours away from that
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Speaker 4: DNA match. And again, the FBI says, the glove appears
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Speaker 4: to match the gloves worn by the suspect on Nancy
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Speaker 4: Guthrie's porch. This guy we're showing you right now, the
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Speaker 4: one with the DNA profile recovered is different from other gloves.
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Speaker 4: What does that mean that it is different from other gloves?
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Speaker 2: Day, Mac?
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Speaker 4: What other gloves?
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Speaker 5: Nancy? There have been reportedly sixteen other gloves, maybe even more,
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Speaker 5: that have been found in this investigation. But Nancy, the
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Speaker 5: sixteen gloves that have been found range in different colors,
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Speaker 5: from red to brown to black. They range in the
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Speaker 5: different types of gloves that are available.
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Speaker 4: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer Josh Colsrue joining US
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Speaker 4: now criminal defense attorney, former federal prosecutor, founder Cultured Law
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Speaker 4: Offices he's joining us from that jurisdiction Arizona. Josh. In
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Speaker 4: my mind, I had leaped forward to a potential trial.
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Speaker 4: What a field day the defense will have with these
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Speaker 4: sixteen gloves that are unrelated to the on the front porch,
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Speaker 4: Because just as the defense was going to do in
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Speaker 4: the Brian Coburger case, with the glove laying out in
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Speaker 4: the parking lot, it's snowing, somebody dropped their glove out there.
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Speaker 4: That was going to be the sod some other dude
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Speaker 4: that did it right, So I'm happy. I'm thrilled we
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Speaker 4: found a glove that seems to match the one, and
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Speaker 4: you and I talked about it, how sweaty his hands
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Speaker 4: must have gotten during all that, and the scenario of
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Speaker 4: him stripping it off and throwing it out the window
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Speaker 4: as he leaves the scene. But the other gloves are
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Speaker 4: a problem, Coles Rude.
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Speaker 6: They are a huge problem for the prosecution. You know,
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Speaker 6: one of the most important things for a prosecutor is
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Speaker 6: the ability to prove chain of custody, to be able
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Speaker 6: to show that this is the item that we're saying
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Speaker 6: that it is. And when you have I can't believe
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Speaker 6: this sixteen other gloves that were dropped there by volunteers
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Speaker 6: or people working for law enforcement. It's beyond imagination that
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Speaker 6: they could do this and contaminate the crime scene.
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Speaker 4: Straight out to Tammy Ballard joining us. Tammy is a
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Speaker 4: DNA crime scene consultant, crime scene investigation and reconstruction expert
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Speaker 4: important tonight, DNA criminalist for the San Diego Police Crime Lab.
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Speaker 4: Tammy Ballard, this is a bombshell. If these aren't the
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Speaker 4: gloves worn in the video, Let's see the video again,
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Speaker 4: and according to police sources, the part was wearing gloves
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Speaker 4: under the gloves. We don't know that that's true. Whatever
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Speaker 4: the case, DNA has been found on these gloves, Tammy Ballard,
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Speaker 4: and it is mail DNA. What comes next.
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Speaker 7: Next next is the code is search. So that's going
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Speaker 7: to be the important search on it sounds like that's
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Speaker 7: going to happen in real time, something like today, and
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Speaker 7: then they'll know if they have some sort of direction
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Speaker 7: to go with that search if there's a hit. If not,
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Speaker 7: the next step would intuitively be, can we start with
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Speaker 7: the genealogy process and go down that path with a
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Speaker 7: different DNA profile from the same glove. So hopefully it
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Speaker 7: was a single source enough profile that and there's DNA remaining,
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Speaker 7: so that they might have to be able to share
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Speaker 7: that DNA with that second process for genealogy, but it
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Speaker 7: can be a multi pronged approach to identify the individual
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Speaker 7: as fast as possible.
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Baller, what is an st R analysis?
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Speaker 7: That is what I would consider your standard DNA testing
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Speaker 7: most forensic laboratories across the country. That is what we
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Speaker 7: have all used. Stands for short tandem repeat testing, very distinct,
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Speaker 7: regulated validated locations of DNA that are being tested for
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Speaker 7: potential comparison to suspects or uploads into databases.
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Speaker 4: Would this be a short tandem DNA test, a short tandem.
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Speaker 7: Repeat Yes, it is. This is a traditional STR profile.
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Speaker 7: That is what all of the forensic laboratories are using
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Speaker 7: to compare to potential suspects.
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Speaker 4: Okay, then we will take the STR results and put
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Speaker 4: it into CODIS. Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us
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Speaker 4: Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security. His special finding missing people.
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Speaker 4: He leads a team of investigators around the world locating
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Speaker 4: missing people. Who is in CODIS.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so you're going to have everybody in CODIS that
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Speaker 8: law enforcement has had a sample from or you know,
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Speaker 8: the FBI has loaded into that system. So there's going
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Speaker 8: to be a limited I mean, it's a huge, vast
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Speaker 8: number of samples, but it is limited in the sense.
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Speaker 8: And Tammy touched on this that the next step is
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Speaker 8: that forensic genetic genealogy analysis where you're taking in other
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Speaker 8: sources like ancestry, dot Com, twenty three and meters, all
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Speaker 8: those all those private genetic testing organizations where investigators will
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Speaker 8: be able to hopefully try to map.
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Speaker 9: Who this is.
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Speaker 4: Yes, CODA is the combined DNA Index System and an acronism.
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Speaker 4: CODIS is FBI managed. It's software and it operates on local, state,
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Speaker 4: and national DNA databases. It IDs suspects and they do
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Speaker 4: that by comparing convicted offenders, not necessarily just felons, misdemeanors,
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Speaker 4: sometimes two all of them across the country, missing people,
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Speaker 4: and DNA found on crime scenes. Coburger Brian Coburger's DNA
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Speaker 4: is now in CODIS. Now here's the problem with COTIS,
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Speaker 4: and CODIS is fantastic. It matches DNA profiles even from
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Speaker 4: unsolved cases to individuals and other crime scenes. It also
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Speaker 4: uses the twenty core short tandem repeat genetic markers here's
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Speaker 4: the thing. Only people, the only people in CODIS generally speaking,
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Speaker 4: are convicts. So if the perp is not already convicted,
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Speaker 4: then once you put the DNA into CODIS, you may
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Speaker 4: not get an identical match, but you may get an
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Speaker 4: EH match, which would mean the purp is related to
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Speaker 4: the person in CODIS. It could be a brother, a cousin,
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Speaker 4: a dad, a son, a nephew, a distant nephew, a
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Speaker 4: distant cousin. You'll get a quasi match. And that is
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Speaker 4: what happened in Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer. Once
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Speaker 4: we got a little bit of a we had to
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Speaker 4: go back into genetic genealogy. But right now in CODIS
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Speaker 4: we will get a match of sorts. If there's a
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Speaker 4: relative in CODIS, tammy valor DNA expert, Isn't that true?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it is going to be a different kind of
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Speaker 7: search in the CODIS database. But first and foremost you're
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Speaker 7: going to be comparing that traditional str profile from this
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Speaker 7: unknown male to convicted offenders who's in this database, but
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Speaker 7: also other forensic unknown cases, So samples from other cases
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Speaker 7: that may have identified a potential perpetrator could also be
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Speaker 7: related to this case. So there is more information to
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Speaker 7: glean from that than if you would want to do
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Speaker 7: the familial testing right after that. That's going to be
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Speaker 7: another round of testing and comparison. But again, this laboratory
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Speaker 7: that is doing the work does have that in their wheelhouse,
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Speaker 7: so all of that can happen pretty much now simultaneously
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Speaker 7: if they do want to do a genealogy search with
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Speaker 7: additional type of testing as well. I do want to
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Speaker 7: clarify one thing that we don't put the whole genealogy
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Speaker 7: community in panic zone. But if they do the genails, how.
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Speaker 4: Is this about saying twenty three and may private test
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Speaker 4: las go ahead?
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Speaker 7: Ancestry dot com And there's only a few places that
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Speaker 7: you can actually allow law enforcement to search in the
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Speaker 7: genealogy databasees. That's family Tree, DNA and Jetmatch. So within
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Speaker 7: those two databases the genealogy search can happen for law enforcement.
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Speaker 7: But Ancestry and the other genealogy companies are not allowing
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Speaker 7: law enforcement to search at this time.
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Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, that was one of
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Speaker 4: the problems in the Brian Coburger case. Certain private genealogical
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Speaker 4: testing labs were used reportedly, which would have opened up
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Speaker 4: a whole can of worms. What this means is that,
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Speaker 4: for instance, if you do twenty three and meters, you
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Speaker 4: don't agree to have your DNA out there to be
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Speaker 4: used in criminal testing or any other testing. So it's
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Speaker 4: a privacy issue for everyone that uses the website. That said,
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Speaker 4: first to codis and then to genetic genealogy, and again
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Speaker 4: that is how one of the worst killers was brought
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Speaker 4: to justice, a former cop, Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer,
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Speaker 4: through genetic genealogy.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 4: So we've got the glove, you've got a contaminated crime
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Speaker 4: scene which is out in the open. By the way,
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Speaker 4: sixteen gloves that we know of were found. Many of
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Speaker 4: those could have been tossed by anybody, not a searcher,
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Speaker 4: but maybe a searcher. This as we understand, a pool
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Speaker 4: cleaning crew was allowed on the scene. It never ends
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Speaker 4: with the scene being open. That said, there was another
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Speaker 4: bust on Friday night. What happened, Dave.
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Speaker 5: Matt Friday night, Nancy two separate locations, Okay, Pema County
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Speaker 5: Sheriff's deputies and the FBI conducted this massive late night
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Speaker 5: swat operation just before midnight. We've got swat descending on
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Speaker 5: a home in Tucson, and they get three people detained,
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Speaker 5: two guys and their mom apparently. But while this is
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Speaker 5: going on, the SWAT team at the house about two
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Speaker 5: miles from Nancy Guthrie's home, the FBI has a range
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Speaker 5: Rover pulled over in a parking lot of a restaurant.
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Speaker 5: That range rover person is also detained. So we've got
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Speaker 5: four people detained at the same time by SWAT and
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Speaker 5: the FBI and deputies. We've got the range rover, a
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Speaker 5: gray range Rover that is searched while officers actually held
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Speaker 5: up like a white sheet blocking the view from cameras
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Speaker 5: to see what they were looking for in the back
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Speaker 5: of that suv, the rain drover, and they actually swarmed
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Speaker 5: in both these locations. They interviewed all three. At the house,
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Speaker 5: they interviewed the rain rover guy and then Nancy. They
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Speaker 5: towed the range Rover away and let everybody go okay.
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Speaker 4: You know, I don't like the way you said that,
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Speaker 4: Dave mac I know, guys you're seeing video from our
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Speaker 4: friends at Fox News. I feel and empathize with your
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Speaker 4: Let them go okay, because again after the last catch
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Speaker 4: and release, everybody's hopes were dashed. You think, finally we've
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Speaker 4: caught the per We're gonna find Nancy Guthrie. She's gonna
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Speaker 4: be alive. And then the person's released. Okay, that was Pelozuelos. Carlos, Pelosuelos.
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Speaker 4: Now we've got neighbors about a mile ish away from
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Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie's home. There was a big bust. The swat
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Speaker 4: team rolled out, the armored vehicles rolled out. We thought, okay,
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Speaker 4: now it's going to be solved. We're going to finance,
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Speaker 4: you go through your life, and they were released. Another
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Speaker 4: catch and released. I hear your disappointment, but straight out
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Speaker 4: to Scott Iiker, joining US digital forensics expert, founding member
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Speaker 4: of the FBI Cast Cellular Analysis Survey Team FBI twenty
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Speaker 4: two years, former police officer homicide with Norfolk, Virginia PD
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Speaker 4: and currently at Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, thank you for
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Speaker 4: being with us tonight. This is how I think they're
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Speaker 4: zoning in on A Palazuela's and b those detained over
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Speaker 4: the weekend that have now been released through cell phone
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Speaker 4: data explain.
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Speaker 10: In these cases, we do a tower dump where we're
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Speaker 10: getting probably thousands of phones that might have been in
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Speaker 10: that area around the time Nancy goth You went missing.
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Speaker 10: So we're now finally starting to get through all that data,
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Speaker 10: trying to figure out which ones are normally there, like neighbors,
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Speaker 10: and which ones may have been passing through. And then
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Speaker 10: once you get the phone number, then you have to
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Speaker 10: figure out, all right, who's actually using this phone number?
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Speaker 10: Is it a fake name on the subscriber? So then
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Speaker 10: you have to figure out, all right, where may that
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Speaker 10: phone be? And I suspect that these are these stops
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Speaker 10: of the last couple of you are just talking about,
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Speaker 10: are results of either LPRs or phones being in the area.
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Speaker 10: Now they're just trying to track it down, see who's
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Speaker 10: actually using those phones and if they're really related to
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Speaker 10: the Nancy Guthrie case.
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Speaker 4: This as we learn FBI, they must have been watching
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Speaker 4: crime stories because as soon as the front Porch video
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Speaker 4: was released, our awesome staff in New York, Atlanta, Texas
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Speaker 4: and beyond got together and realized that the backpack was
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Speaker 4: an Ozark from Walmart. With then I would say an
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Speaker 4: hour of seeing it, Angelica and others had identified it also.
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Speaker 4: They identified our staff identified the jacket we believe coming
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Speaker 4: from Walmart, and even the ski mask. But now everybody,
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Speaker 4: you're validated law enforcement revealing the clothes worn by the
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Speaker 4: front porch perp were bought at Walmart, were bought at Walmart. Okay,
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Speaker 4: to icher again, I will never forget watching Top Mom
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Speaker 4: Casey Anthony one either Walmart or Target video buying beer
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Speaker 4: in a pushup bra while her daughter Kille was missing.
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Speaker 4: And it's happened in so many cases I can't even
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Speaker 4: begin to count them where a perp is caught on video. Man,
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Speaker 4: why don't they always buy a tarp? It's always a
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Speaker 4: tarp and cleaning supplies. That said, what's the next step
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Speaker 4: now that we know these items are bought at Walmart?
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Speaker 10: Once we get that type of information, and we do
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Speaker 10: this with the cell phones too, with burner phones, we
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Speaker 10: backtracked to where those items were purchased so that we
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Speaker 10: can actually hopefully find video of those actual purchases. And
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Speaker 10: as you know, the Walmart's and the targets, they have
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Speaker 10: fantastic video and those are really clear. So that does
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Speaker 10: normally help us to identify who actually had those items
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Speaker 10: to purchase those items, whereas using that south of their device.
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Speaker 4: Don't you know the FBI is pouring through local Walmart video,
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Speaker 4: you said something that pierced my heart. Scott Iiker again,
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Speaker 4: you mentioned that Walmart also sells burner phones. You can
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Speaker 4: identify cell numbers in the area. I think that's how
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Speaker 4: they got Carlos Velozuelos. I think that's why they honed
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Speaker 4: in on the neighbor that has been released because their
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Speaker 4: cell phone is active around the time Nancy Guthrie goes missing,
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Speaker 4: and they've done a data dup and they're isolating phones
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Speaker 4: used in the area in that neighborhood in those hours
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Speaker 4: and then expanding. Burner phones are a particular problem for cast.
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Speaker 4: Explain the problem with burner phones.
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Speaker 10: Well, we all kind of normal citizens have post paid phones.
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Speaker 10: We use the phone and then we pay our bill.
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Speaker 10: But most of the criminal element world uses burner phones
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Speaker 10: or prepaid phones. And when you go into Walmart, you
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Speaker 10: can buy the phone and buy time minutes for that phone,
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Speaker 10: and you don't have to put a name on it
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Speaker 10: because you've already paid the phone company. What they want
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Speaker 10: is their money, so you don't have to put a
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Speaker 10: real name or a real address or anything on there.
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Speaker 10: We've seen bugs Bunny or Roger Rabbit or know anything
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Speaker 10: you want to put in the subscriber information or nothing
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Speaker 10: at all. So then that we have to figure out
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Speaker 10: who actually has that phone and who's using.
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Speaker 4: And that is where the incredible video at Walmart will
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Speaker 4: come in to play. So what are you saying in
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Speaker 4: regular people talk is you can buy a burner phone
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Speaker 4: under any name, not your own, unlike your AT and
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Speaker 4: T or your VZW or your T mobilebile where it's
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Speaker 4: your name and your address. And yeah, you can track
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Speaker 4: that in about a split second a burner phone. No,
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Speaker 4: you have to find out where was the burner phone bought?
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Speaker 4: Was it on a credit card so you can trace
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Speaker 4: the perp? Was it on video? Walmart has great video,
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Speaker 4: NASA co take a lesson from Walmart. That's it. It's
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Speaker 4: a much more in depth process because you could even
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Speaker 4: pay with cash, so you may never know if it
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Speaker 4: weren't for the video. Who bought the burner phone used
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Speaker 4: outside Nancy Guthries' home at the time she was kidnapped. Okay,
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Speaker 4: another thing happened over the weekend, and this is amazing.
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Speaker 4: Dave Mac tell me about the drone search for Nancy
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Speaker 4: Guthries's pacemaker.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, this is something that in reality is an incredible
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Speaker 5: technology tool using a drone that is outfitted to actually
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Speaker 5: locate the Bluetooth signal that is sent from the casemaker
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Speaker 5: back to the Apple Watch. They've been able to fly
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Speaker 5: these drones at low level where they can find these
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Speaker 5: Bluetooth signals, and they've been flying them in a cross
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Speaker 5: grid pattern at low levels all over the Guthrie neighborhood
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Speaker 5: as well as areas of the desert. Yet they began
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Speaker 5: four days out using helicopters flying very low and doing
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Speaker 5: a grid search, and they were also using technology then
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Speaker 5: to try to locate the pacemaker. But the drums take
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Speaker 5: it to a whole new level with different technology that
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Speaker 5: really does zero in specifically on this pacemaker.
26:20
Speaker 1: Bluetobe Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know what's interesting here,
26:35
Speaker 1: And let me throw this back to Fitzgibbons.
26:38
Speaker 4: Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA Nationwide Security. A viewer wrote me and said,
26:44
Speaker 4: at the very beginning, why can't they strap a device
26:48
Speaker 4: to a dog, a device that would pick up the
26:52
Speaker 4: frequency of the pacemaker and walk it through the neighborhood,
26:56
Speaker 4: walk it all around the neighborhood and get other dogs
26:59
Speaker 4: with the same for at US and go out and
27:01
Speaker 4: out and out and out, since we are pretty convinced
27:04
Speaker 4: someone that new Nancy Guthrie is responsible for her kidnap.
27:08
Speaker 4: And at first I'm like outfited dog. It wasn't that
27:15
Speaker 4: bad of an idea, and I started thinking about it,
27:17
Speaker 4: and I'm again researching how can you track a pacemaker?
27:20
Speaker 4: All because of what that viewer wrote me. You cannot
27:24
Speaker 4: track a pacemaker in that once it's away from its bluetooth,
27:29
Speaker 4: it's no longer sending information to the doctor's office or
27:32
Speaker 4: the clinic or the hospital. That ends. It doesn't have
27:36
Speaker 4: GPS in it.
27:37
Speaker 7: But the viewer.
27:40
Speaker 4: Wasn't half wrong, she was all right, because they can't
27:46
Speaker 4: be traced through that blue tooth frequency. It may not
27:50
Speaker 4: be connecting to the clinic or the doctor, but it's
27:53
Speaker 4: still emitting. It's brilliant. Fitzgibbons explained to me how they're
27:59
Speaker 4: doing this. How low do the drones have to fly?
28:01
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the viewer's logic was spot on right. And
28:04
Speaker 8: this technology has been around for a good amount of
28:08
Speaker 8: time and had a fair degree of success, particularly in
28:13
Speaker 8: search and rescue operations. All right, So these could be
28:16
Speaker 8: used after a natural disaster or you know, a hiker
28:19
Speaker 8: loss in the mountains. You know, the distance is going
28:24
Speaker 8: to vary right anywhere from thirty to hundreds of feet
28:28
Speaker 8: in the air. It's all going to depend on the
28:30
Speaker 8: power of that signal being emitted. So I don't think
28:34
Speaker 8: there's an exact science on the pacemaker and how far
28:37
Speaker 8: the drone would need to be, But what I can
28:40
Speaker 8: tell you is they'll build to zero in on the
28:43
Speaker 8: signal that that pacemaker creates to filter out all the
28:48
Speaker 8: noise because unlike a massive grid search in a remote
28:53
Speaker 8: area that these search and rescue applications are used to,
28:57
Speaker 8: this is flying over populated air is where there's going
29:02
Speaker 8: to be a lot of signal noise that they have
29:03
Speaker 8: to filter out.
29:04
Speaker 4: And Brian, here's the good news about pacemakers. My dad
29:09
Speaker 4: had a pacemaker, my mom has a pacemaker. Everyone's asking
29:13
Speaker 4: what if the battery runs out. Batteries and pacemakers usually
29:17
Speaker 4: last five to fifteen years, with seven to twelve years
29:22
Speaker 4: being the normal time the battery will last. Why because
29:27
Speaker 4: to change a battery in a pacemaker, you actually have
29:32
Speaker 4: to operate. It's probably a simple operation, but you still
29:36
Speaker 4: have to go in. The person has the pacemaker in
29:40
Speaker 4: their chest and you have to change the batteries, so
29:44
Speaker 4: you don't want to do that very often with a
29:46
Speaker 4: heart patient. So the norm is seven to twelve years
29:50
Speaker 4: five at the earliest, fifteen at the longest. So I'm
29:54
Speaker 4: not worried about the battery going out now very quickly.
29:59
Speaker 4: I want to follow up just joining us now special
30:01
Speaker 4: guest doctor Bethany Marshall. She is a renowned psychoanalyst out
30:06
Speaker 4: of Beverly Hills. She's the author of deal Breaker. You
30:10
Speaker 4: can see her now on Peacock and you can find
30:12
Speaker 4: her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. When I
30:17
Speaker 4: showed that video of Savannah Guthrie, it broke my heart.
30:24
Speaker 4: When I saw it for the first time, I felt
30:27
Speaker 4: nauseous thinking about Savannah. She is so exhausted and she's
30:34
Speaker 4: not giving up.
30:37
Speaker 11: No, she is not Nancy. And she goes out and
30:39
Speaker 11: she makes these statements without the studio lighting, the studio makeup,
30:45
Speaker 11: any of the trappings of her profession which she could
30:48
Speaker 11: use to try to appeal to whoever took her mother.
30:52
Speaker 11: But she is coming out just as herself. And in
30:55
Speaker 11: the very first video Nancy, she keeps using the word you.
30:59
Speaker 11: She's trying to form a relationship with whoever the perpetrator is.
31:04
Speaker 11: And in this one, when she says that she believes
31:07
Speaker 11: that there's goodness in everyone, she's trying to create empathy,
31:12
Speaker 11: that empathy on the part of the perpetrator towards her,
31:16
Speaker 11: towards her family. She's not coming out harsh or angry,
31:21
Speaker 11: or we're going to come after you, or we're going
31:22
Speaker 11: to find you. Nothing punitive Nancy. She is soft, she
31:27
Speaker 11: is engaged, and Nancy I kind of feel like she
31:30
Speaker 11: might know who she's speaking to. She's looking into somebody's
31:36
Speaker 11: eyes and heart metaphorically and saying, I know you, you
31:41
Speaker 11: know me, We are both human beings. Please please bring
31:46
Speaker 11: my mother back. And she's sort of implying no consequences
31:50
Speaker 11: as well, which, of course there will be consequences, but
31:53
Speaker 11: she's also trying to remove fear on the part of
31:56
Speaker 11: the perpetrator.
31:57
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you this calls rude. I'm going
31:59
Speaker 4: to go back to bethany one moment. The consequences will
32:02
Speaker 4: be a hell of a lot worse if Nancy Guthrie dies.
32:07
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, in Arizona, we certainly have a reputation
32:13
Speaker 6: for using the death penalty. And this certainly would be
32:18
Speaker 6: a case that would qualify if she is later found
32:23
Speaker 6: to have passed away. Now, what's interesting about this case
32:27
Speaker 6: is that there may be a parallel prosecution. And we've
32:32
Speaker 6: seen this before in Arizona. In another high profile case,
32:35
Speaker 6: Senator Mark Kelly, you know, his wife Gabby Giffords was
32:39
Speaker 6: shot and almost killed along with federal Judge John Roll.
32:43
Speaker 6: In those two cases, you both had the federal prosecutors
32:47
Speaker 6: prosecuting at the same time as a state And what
32:50
Speaker 6: I found really interesting, Nancy, is that on Friday, the
32:52
Speaker 6: FEDS executed a federal search warrant, not a state search warrant.
32:58
Speaker 6: And this could be an indication of the friction that
33:02
Speaker 6: is happening between the Feds and the state, because I'll
33:06
Speaker 6: tell you I was both a state prosecutor and a
33:08
Speaker 6: federal prosecutor. When I was on the state side, I
33:11
Speaker 6: often worked with the FBI and I would craft and
33:14
Speaker 6: issue the sub penis.
33:16
Speaker 9: What I would never expect for the same FBI agents
33:19
Speaker 9: to go to the US Attorney's office to do their
33:22
Speaker 9: own parallel investigation, cutting me out of it. So, you know,
33:26
Speaker 9: this is a really interesting development.
33:29
Speaker 4: Should the sniffer technique.
33:31
Speaker 5: Have been used earlier.
33:32
Speaker 6: You know, I have two gripes about this, Nancy. The
33:35
Speaker 6: first is you know, in any missing person's case, the
33:39
Speaker 6: most important time to gather and collect evidence is at
33:42
Speaker 6: the very beginning, and by all reports, this so called
33:46
Speaker 6: sniffer technology wasn't used for at least two weeks after
33:52
Speaker 6: Nancy Guthrie was discovered missing. Also, what I don't like
33:56
Speaker 6: about this move is to tell the public what it's
33:59
Speaker 6: doing with that type of technology, because you're signaling to
34:03
Speaker 6: the bad guys that we're.
34:04
Speaker 9: Looking for your bluetooth devices.
34:07
Speaker 6: And you know, bad guys have been known to try
34:11
Speaker 6: to destroy evidence so they don't get caught. And I
34:14
Speaker 6: would be concerned that this could put Nancy Guthrie in
34:18
Speaker 6: mortal peril should the bad guys be listening to the
34:24
Speaker 6: reports on TV.
34:26
Speaker 4: You know, I want to go back to Scott Iiker,
34:29
Speaker 4: founding member of CAST. Scott can I see Scott plays?
34:35
Speaker 4: Is it true that you suggested to CAST the use
34:40
Speaker 4: of the drones to try to find that bluetooth frequency
34:45
Speaker 4: being admitted from Nancy's pacemaker.
34:47
Speaker 10: I actually did send a message to CAST on Saturday,
34:51
Speaker 10: so two days ago, and I said, hey, has anybody
34:53
Speaker 10: thought about using the Bluetooth sniffer to go out and
34:57
Speaker 10: see if they can capture the signal Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker.
35:03
Speaker 10: They said, well, I don't know, but we'll check and
35:07
Speaker 10: see if the command post is doing that. And then
35:09
Speaker 10: the next day it came out on the media that
35:12
Speaker 10: they were doing that. So I don't know if I
35:15
Speaker 10: provided them to do that. I have a feeling they
35:18
Speaker 10: were doing that ahead of time. It just hit me
35:21
Speaker 10: later on in the investigation. Now, this device I've used before,
35:26
Speaker 10: it's very short range. I was surprised they were trying
35:30
Speaker 10: to do it from a helicopter at one point in time.
35:33
Speaker 10: Definitely vehicles or low flying drones because the distance for Bluetooth,
35:38
Speaker 10: as you might know, when you walk away from your
35:40
Speaker 10: phone with your ear uppuds in, it's like thirty forty
35:43
Speaker 10: feet at the most. So they're going to have to
35:45
Speaker 10: get really close to this, you know, any Bluetooth device
35:49
Speaker 10: to be able to grab its signal. So they're going
35:51
Speaker 10: to have a lot of work. But I think it's
35:53
Speaker 10: a great tactic to be using.
35:54
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you're right, because recall we heard at
35:57
Speaker 4: the beginning once Nancy was twenty feet away from I
36:02
Speaker 4: think it was twenty feet away from the bluetooth connection.
36:08
Speaker 4: The pacemaker information ended to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
36:12
Speaker 4: Doctor Bethany, you mentioned how Savannah was creating a connection
36:20
Speaker 4: with the perp, evoking empathy. Who would take an eighty
36:26
Speaker 4: four year old grandma and use her this way? We
36:32
Speaker 4: know it's a man. We know it is a Hispanic
36:36
Speaker 4: mail or a swarthy, olive complexted mail. We know that
36:41
Speaker 4: there's facial hair. We know his high between five nine
36:46
Speaker 4: and five eleven. We know his medium build. But who
36:51
Speaker 4: is this guy?
36:53
Speaker 11: Bethany Well, Nancy, He's only the face of the crime.
36:56
Speaker 11: As Brian Fitzgibbons said on one of the shows, He's
36:59
Speaker 11: just a foot soldier. He's an amateur Nancy. Multiple gloves,
37:03
Speaker 11: potentially looks like he has multiple jackets on, potentially a
37:07
Speaker 11: tarp in his backpack. He does not know that the
37:10
Speaker 11: camera is there. This is not a very high functioning guy.
37:14
Speaker 11: Porch Purp is not so putting together the behavioral clues
37:18
Speaker 11: that you and the panel have been discussing. I wouldn't
37:21
Speaker 11: be surprised if he went himself to Walmart. He'd have
37:25
Speaker 11: to make the purchase himself, because he knows his size, jacket, shoe,
37:29
Speaker 11: glove size, all of that. I wouldn't be surprised to
37:32
Speaker 11: learn that everything is all on one receipt, even perhaps
37:36
Speaker 11: the burner phone, so that narrows the search a little bit.
37:39
Speaker 11: In terms of a non custodial kidnapping, Nancy, normally that
37:44
Speaker 11: is to control the victim, whether it's a child or
37:48
Speaker 11: a young adult. In this case, we have a geriatric
37:51
Speaker 11: person an older person. But for what reason would they
37:54
Speaker 11: control the victim? Something that has come to mind, Nancy.
37:58
Speaker 11: And by the way, with the gloves, surprised about the
38:00
Speaker 11: sixteen gloves because we have websuit sleuths all over the
38:04
Speaker 11: place out there also searching, interfering and helping, I don't
38:08
Speaker 11: know which way. And also this guy's wearing multiple gloves potentially,
38:11
Speaker 11: so I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not surprised to learn
38:14
Speaker 11: that they're picking up multiple gloves out there. But think
38:17
Speaker 11: about your mother, Nancy, and how proud she has been
38:22
Speaker 11: over the years of you having your own TV show.
38:25
Speaker 11: I'm sure she goes to or I know she's housebound
38:28
Speaker 11: out but to her doctors, her physical therapists, her nutritionists,
38:32
Speaker 11: and talking about you and how proud she is of you.
38:36
Speaker 11: And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there's somebody
38:40
Speaker 11: in Nancy Guthrie's medical community where she frequently visited, and
38:45
Speaker 11: she would talk about Savannah and all of her kids
38:48
Speaker 11: and how proud she is of them and how how
38:51
Speaker 11: wonderful they are, and have you seen my daughter on TV?
38:54
Speaker 11: And if that didn't incite somebody who's down on their
38:57
Speaker 11: luck or wanted to control her victim in some way
39:01
Speaker 11: to say, oh, gosh, this is my way out of
39:05
Speaker 11: my current financial predicament. But then whoever took her is
39:09
Speaker 11: not sophisticated enough to find a good way to get
39:12
Speaker 11: the money. And I think that's the paradox that's confusing everybody.
39:17
Speaker 11: You take this geriatric person for some purpose, but now
39:20
Speaker 11: what's the purpose? So they can't implement the purpose? So
39:24
Speaker 11: where does that put us in terms of this search?
39:27
Speaker 11: It's somebody who needed her for the purpose, but then
39:30
Speaker 11: couldn't implement the purpose itself.
39:33
Speaker 4: Right. Tammy Ballard joining us DNA expert, tell me about
39:39
Speaker 4: Tammy thino typing and how that could help.
39:44
Speaker 7: Well, there's biogeographical analysis to give you sort of a
39:51
Speaker 7: visual aspect from where some of these people could come
39:56
Speaker 7: from and originate from what their nationality is. That is
40:00
Speaker 7: testing that is also done pretty much simultaneously when they
40:04
Speaker 7: test for the genealogy to give somebody a little bit
40:09
Speaker 7: more of an idea of what a person may look like.
40:14
Speaker 4: Yes, Phenotyping the process of measuring analyzing physical biochemical traits
40:22
Speaker 4: of the perp. It identifies traits in biology, medicine, agriculture.
40:32
Speaker 4: Deep phenotyping or digital phenotyping is a DNA based prediction
40:40
Speaker 4: of physical attributes color of hair, do they have freckles,
40:47
Speaker 4: the pigment of the skin, and so much more. Phenotyping
40:53
Speaker 4: could be used in this case. It's an additional tool
40:59
Speaker 4: used by law enforcement and I've seen it work. Joining
41:03
Speaker 4: us tonight is a PR guru, Rob Shooter, author of
41:09
Speaker 4: a brand new book that's climbing the charts on Amazon.
41:12
Speaker 4: It started with a whisper and he's the star of
41:15
Speaker 4: Naughty but Nice. You can also find him on his substack. Shooter.
41:19
Speaker 4: Thank you for being with us. The facts are coming
41:24
Speaker 4: fast and furious, but I want to take a moment
41:27
Speaker 4: and talk about my friend, your friend Savannah, and this
41:34
Speaker 4: last plea I got to tell you all of her.
41:39
Speaker 4: Please have just like I've been a gut punch, but
41:43
Speaker 4: this last one, I mean, she's so tired. She's just
41:49
Speaker 4: trying to get her mom back. What can you tell
41:55
Speaker 4: us about your recollections of Savannah? I keep saying saying
42:01
Speaker 4: she's just as nice and wonderful in real life as
42:05
Speaker 4: she is on the Today Show, But yet online everybody's
42:09
Speaker 4: hating on her, and I don't really understand that.
42:12
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've turned that out, Nancy. It's too painful for me.
42:16
Speaker 12: I've been on the Today Show maybe thirty forty times.
42:19
Speaker 12: I've known Savannah since she was a correspondent on the show.
42:22
Speaker 12: When she started that show, she did not start as
42:25
Speaker 12: the co host. She started as their white house correspondent,
42:28
Speaker 12: and so I've known her for a really long time.
42:30
Speaker 12: The last time I was on the show, Savannah interviewed me.
42:33
Speaker 12: She's the real deal. During commercial breaks, she laughs, she
42:37
Speaker 12: asks you questions about your life. She remembers details about
42:41
Speaker 12: your private life. I was had a wedding about six
42:43
Speaker 12: months ago, and Savannah was at the wedding and we
42:46
Speaker 12: had a really great catch up there. She's the real deal.
42:49
Speaker 12: And we've worked in TV, Nancy a long time. It's
42:52
Speaker 12: not just TV. I think a lot of businesses are
42:54
Speaker 12: like this. People in the office on television at their
42:57
Speaker 12: job always normally hopefully put the best version of themselves
43:01
Speaker 12: and when they leave that job me a little bit frosty,
43:04
Speaker 12: a little bit prickly. Not Savannah. She was the real deal.
43:08
Speaker 12: And in New York, I've seen her out in restaurants,
43:11
Speaker 12: I've seen her out at the theater. She's kind, she's
43:15
Speaker 12: kind to people, and she's very much aware that she
43:18
Speaker 12: has the dream job. She always wanted to be a reporter.
43:22
Speaker 12: She always tried. Her mom encouraged her to do this.
43:26
Speaker 12: Against all odds, this young reporter ended up hosting the
43:31
Speaker 12: Today Show, the biggest morning show in the world, certainly
43:35
Speaker 12: in America, and she never forgot who she was. It
43:38
Speaker 12: would have been very easy for Savannah when she became
43:41
Speaker 12: the co host to become a diva. She could have
43:44
Speaker 12: become a star. We know them, We know people on
43:48
Speaker 12: TV who act like that. Not Savannah. She was always
43:51
Speaker 12: nice to the crew, she was always nice to the guests.
43:54
Speaker 12: It was always nice to the producers. And that's why
43:57
Speaker 12: this has really been a good punch to everybody at NBC.
44:02
Speaker 12: Within that building, there are a lot of stinkers. Savannah
44:05
Speaker 12: is not one of them. She's one of the good people.
44:08
Speaker 7: You know.
44:08
Speaker 4: It's really interesting. I'm soaking in every word you said,
44:11
Speaker 4: Rob Shooter, because I don't get the hate focused on
44:17
Speaker 4: her at obviously the worst time in her life. She
44:21
Speaker 4: lost her father when she was sixteen. I remember my
44:25
Speaker 4: dad had his first caroinary thrombosis when I was sixteen,
44:30
Speaker 4: and we had my birthday in the hospital and I
44:36
Speaker 4: got my cross and I remember being afraid I would
44:42
Speaker 4: lose my dad. She did lose her dad, and now
44:46
Speaker 4: she's about to lose her mom. So I don't get
44:50
Speaker 4: the hate. I guess you tell your clients to just
44:52
Speaker 4: ignore everything online.
44:53
Speaker 12: Yeah, you do. Savannah's got a tough skin for somebody
44:58
Speaker 12: as kind for somebody, as gentle as she is. She
45:01
Speaker 12: works in a really tough business, and being on television
45:05
Speaker 12: every single day in front of millions of people, you
45:08
Speaker 12: open yourself up to a lot of criticism about what
45:11
Speaker 12: you say, the way you look, and so she has
45:13
Speaker 12: done this for a long time. So I'm told at
45:15
Speaker 12: the moment I spoke to some friends of hers, people
45:18
Speaker 12: that work with her, she's just focused on family. She's
45:21
Speaker 12: focused on getting her mom back all that stuff online
45:24
Speaker 12: that's been there for years, or the hate or the criticism.
45:28
Speaker 12: I think she's tuning it out because, let's be honest,
45:31
Speaker 12: she's got a much bigger worry.
45:34
Speaker 4: I'm sure she doesn't care, just her mom.
45:36
Speaker 12: But let me sh Rob Sheeter.
45:37
Speaker 4: This is what I always say, and I don't know
45:39
Speaker 4: if you, the pr and guru to the stars would agree.
45:41
Speaker 4: But have you ever called your cable company and said, wow,
45:45
Speaker 4: you know what, I watch crime Stories tonight on YouTube
45:48
Speaker 4: and it was awesome and I just want to thank
45:50
Speaker 4: you for all you did to make that possible. No,
45:53
Speaker 4: you call the cable company and go, my cable's out,
45:58
Speaker 4: big sick, right, a whole horrible I hate you.
46:02
Speaker 12: Right.
46:02
Speaker 4: Nobody writes in or calls in good things. It's only
46:06
Speaker 4: when you have a complaint. So those are the people
46:09
Speaker 4: trashing Savannah at a time like this. Who are those people? Right?
46:14
Speaker 12: They're terrible people, Nancy. They're terrible, angry people. And this
46:18
Speaker 12: is not about Savannah. It's about them. You know, I've
46:21
Speaker 12: ran many different websites and the comments, eighty percent of
46:25
Speaker 12: them are really hateful. People don't comment when they want
46:28
Speaker 12: to say something nice. So let's change that I try
46:30
Speaker 12: now when I go to a restaurant to leave a
46:32
Speaker 12: good review on the help instead of just the bad ones.
46:35
Speaker 12: And so we can change the world if we start.
46:38
Speaker 4: Thinking somehow, I knew you were going to make this
46:40
Speaker 4: about you, Rob Sheheter. It all goes back to what
46:43
Speaker 4: our grandma said, if you can't say anything nice, just
46:45
Speaker 4: don't say anything at all. I think we all agree
46:49
Speaker 4: on that, Rob Shoeter. I'm not concerned about what's going
46:53
Speaker 4: to happen after we find Nancy Guthrie. I'm concerned about
46:57
Speaker 4: finding Nancy Guthrie. But there's all the speculation brewing about
47:01
Speaker 4: Savannah leaving the Today Show. That's not my concern right now.
47:04
Speaker 4: We'll burn that ridge when we get there. But what's
47:06
Speaker 4: that all about?
47:07
Speaker 7: Yeah?
47:08
Speaker 12: The Today Show is a multimillion dollar business. It is
47:11
Speaker 12: presented as a family, and I believe that that's mainly
47:15
Speaker 12: true about them. They care about each other over there.
47:17
Speaker 12: But it is a job, and this is a company
47:20
Speaker 12: now that is trying to figure out what are they
47:22
Speaker 12: going to do. It would be irresponsible of the executives
47:26
Speaker 12: to not have a plan B, to have a safety net.
47:29
Speaker 12: So there is no date for Savannah to return. My
47:32
Speaker 12: sources are telling me she might never return to the
47:36
Speaker 12: Today Show, and she's certainly not going to return until
47:39
Speaker 12: there's some solution, until there's some answers about her mom.
47:42
Speaker 12: So Savannah's going to be gone from that show, probably
47:45
Speaker 12: for the next six months, maybe longer. And so they
47:48
Speaker 12: are looking at different options and told they're handling it
47:50
Speaker 12: quite carefully. They don't want to be about contracts or
47:54
Speaker 12: money or opportunities for thirsty people on staff trying to
47:58
Speaker 12: get her job. There is a reality to this. When
48:01
Speaker 12: somebody is away from a show, a lot of people around.
48:08
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad that you have looked into the Rob Shooter,
48:10
Speaker 4: Crystal Ball, and you can see that this case will
48:13
Speaker 4: be over in six months and put away like the
48:15
Speaker 4: tea service when you're done with your tea. So thank
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Speaker 4: you for that, Rob Shooter. I'm not concerned about what's
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Speaker 4: going to happen on a morning TV show. I'm concerned
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Speaker 4: about finding Nancy Guthrie, and I hope you're wrong. I
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Speaker 4: hope that Nancy is found and Savannah returns to life
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Speaker 4: as normal. That's my prayer. Rob Shooter grew to the
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Speaker 4: stars and author of a brand new book. It started
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Speaker 4: with a whisper. Thank you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 12: Good to be with you, Nancy. And let me just
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Speaker 12: add here we talk about people on television being generous
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Speaker 12: and being kind and being authentic, you're the real deal.
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Speaker 4: Two Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter. You've learned something
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Speaker 4: that I consider to be very probative regarding that polyester holster.
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Speaker 4: Let's see the holster the perp had on in a
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Speaker 4: very bizarre manner. Tell me what you've learned about the holster.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting to note, Nancy, that most
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Speaker 5: of what our perp was wearing from the backpack on
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Speaker 5: all available exclusively at Walmart stores. But this very unique
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Speaker 5: cheap holster also available at Walmart. But in Tucson, where
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Speaker 5: they have more than a dozen Walmart stores, only two
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Speaker 5: of the Tucson area Walmarts had that holster in stock,
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Speaker 5: only two out of more than a dozen.
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Speaker 4: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
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Speaker 4: whether you consider it to be large, small, inconsequential or not,
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Speaker 4: please dial toll free eight hundred two two five five
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Speaker 4: three two four, or if you wish to remain anonymous
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Speaker 4: five two zero eight eight two seven four six three
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Speaker 4: There is a one hundred thousand dollars reward. Thank you
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Speaker 4: to our guest, but especially to you for keeping the
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Speaker 4: search for Nancy Duthrie alive. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight,
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Speaker 4: but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend,