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NFL Week 6 TNF Showdown | 49ers @ Seahawks | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Fall system, Stone clear your lift one. What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 2: edition of the Thursday night football Showdown Show here on
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  Speaker 2: the Mail Media Network. Hit the like on the way in.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe to the channel. Got hoop got
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  Speaker 2: titled with me here as always going to break down
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  Speaker 2: all things San Francisco forty nine ers at the Seattle
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks Hoop. Bring you in, first man, another Thursday night game.
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  Speaker 2: Excited for this when I got the stone up over here,
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  Speaker 2: break it all down.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: My man?
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  Speaker 1: You got the Tiger's gear on. Big win?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, big win yesterday, big game today.
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  Speaker 4: And then we kick off Week six with what should
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  Speaker 4: be I think a pretty pretty good game. Relatively high total,
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  Speaker 4: two offenses that can definitely move the ball, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of offensive weapons on both sides, which again, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we kind of talked about it.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate. I think this could possibly.
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  Speaker 4: Play out similarly to what happened the other night and
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  Speaker 4: at that Chiefs game. So we'll see a we'll talk
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  Speaker 4: through it all. But it seems like a solid game
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  Speaker 4: total almost around fifty, which is pretty rare nowadays in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. So happy to happy to see that. Excited
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  Speaker 4: to dip into the slave with my voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also up from the way I do the
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  Speaker 2: slate plan on the site as I was updated like
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  Speaker 2: the very next morning after Monday night football ends. In
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  Speaker 2: this example, it was at forty seven I believe, and
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  Speaker 2: now it's up to forty nine. So just total has
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  Speaker 2: moved up quite a bit. Usually it's a half point.
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  Speaker 2: You just don't see that much movement. Title bring you
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  Speaker 2: in big total, but also division game. Who knows, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes these could be a letdown or they
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  Speaker 2: can be every thing we asked for and more when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to scoring, how you're doing and just your
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  Speaker 2: first thoughts on this game here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a little surprised to see the total,
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  Speaker 5: but a couple injuries on the defensive side. On both
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  Speaker 5: sides mainly San Fran Both offenses can move the football
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  Speaker 5: so makes some sense. And yeah, I like seeing the
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  Speaker 5: higher totals. As far as this slates, the value is awful.
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  Speaker 5: So really it's one of the most unique or showdown
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  Speaker 5: slates I think we've had this year. In the fact
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  Speaker 5: no one might be over fifteen percent of the captain
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  Speaker 5: you have a plethora of guys that you can all
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  Speaker 5: mix in that captain that makes a lot of sense,
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  Speaker 5: and then you just have.
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  Speaker 6: Awful, awful value.
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  Speaker 5: So I'd be lying if I said it was my
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  Speaker 5: favorite showdown because I think it's gonna be a little
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  Speaker 5: harder to get different unless you're playing these bombs that
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  Speaker 5: are projected for almost zero and they land in the box.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm doing well as always ready to talk to football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you brought up a really unique point there,
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  Speaker 2: and it is a good one that that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the case we've seen the I'm gonna let Hoop talk
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: He was mentioning a pre shows. I'll let him go.
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  Speaker 2: But just like the quarterbacks aren't getting adjusted for price,
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  Speaker 2: so if you just run an optimizer straight like we
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  Speaker 2: did our dry run, so we will get it out
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  Speaker 2: there to you guys and let you know.
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  Speaker 1: But the quarterbacks still pop.
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  Speaker 2: But on a slate like tonight, we have full strength
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  Speaker 2: on both sides on the offense, I should say so
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  Speaker 2: when it's pretty Mason deebo ayuk Kittle, Gino Walker Metcalf
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  Speaker 2: JSN is kind of where people are leaving it off.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's other dudes I'm just saying I'll kick
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  Speaker 2: it to you. But that's just sort of the setup.
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  Speaker 2: But there's no real value plays to go to just
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  Speaker 2: from start.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I mean when you start going through and looking at
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  Speaker 4: the captains, there's gonna be a lot that are appealing.
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  Speaker 4: And that's kind of why we're seeing spread out ownership
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  Speaker 4: at the position. So if you're going to take some
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  Speaker 4: stands tonight, like you're going to be able to get
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  Speaker 4: get leveraged very very easily. And if you want to
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  Speaker 4: get overweight on certain guys, you're going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to get overweight. It looks like I don't know, seven
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  Speaker 4: or eight of these guys probably coming in between like
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  Speaker 4: six and fifteen percent, and you know, nothing else like
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  Speaker 4: above that. So in terms of roster construction, like you
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  Speaker 4: probably got it. I mean for Showdown, always looking to
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  Speaker 4: leave sellar around the table, but maybe even more maybe
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  Speaker 4: that's one way to get different because there are just
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  Speaker 4: I talk about it a lot, but truly just a
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  Speaker 4: limited number of plays tonight.
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  Speaker 3: We don't really have any cheapies.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the a couple of these guys, uh
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  Speaker 4: you know, six hundred a thousand, like they're projecting for
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  Speaker 4: like two points and you just top out a lot.
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  Speaker 3: But just we've.
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  Speaker 4: Rarely needed those sort of plays, uh this this season.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll see when we go through. But a
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  Speaker 4: lot of captains and play a lot look good up top.
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  Speaker 4: And again if you want to look to get some
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  Speaker 4: leverage in the captain spot, it should be pretty easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great call.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing too, just we got the stone,
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  Speaker 2: we go through it each week and you know, bringing
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  Speaker 2: it up here for myself just looking at it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned nine guys, JSN sort of falls out of
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  Speaker 2: that group when we talk about this next part. But
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  Speaker 2: even for our captain optimal tonight, for the sims that
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  Speaker 2: we do to calculate against with the with our projections
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  Speaker 2: versus the salary, it does look pretty spread out across
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  Speaker 2: the eight guys pretty Mason, deebo Ayuk Kittle, Gino, Kenneth.
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  Speaker 1: Walker, and DK Metcalf.
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  Speaker 2: It does leave JSN out like I'd mentioned, but like
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  Speaker 2: Coop said, it's way more about getting it right tonight
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  Speaker 2: than it is anything else because you're able to get
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  Speaker 2: leverage on anybody you want. It's not like other Knights
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  Speaker 2: necessarily where you're saying, if this guy's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: popular captain, let me squeeze him and play this guy
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  Speaker 2: because if he fails, I get leverage over here. The
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  Speaker 2: way to get leveraged tonight is to get overweight on
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  Speaker 2: the guys you want to have up top title. Any
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  Speaker 2: further thoughts on that, and if not, you could start
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  Speaker 2: us off talking these captains for this sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish I had a stronger lean, but my
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  Speaker 5: approach today is because of the value being so tough.
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  Speaker 5: Salary is pretty tight, like and it's always the case,
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  Speaker 5: I care more about my individual lineup, but I think
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be like, I don't see myself having probably
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  Speaker 5: twenty five percent plus of any captain. I might not
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  Speaker 5: have eighteen percent plus of any captain. The reason is
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  Speaker 5: if I have twenty five percent of one captain, then
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  Speaker 5: you have so many more combinations of like the other
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  Speaker 5: five spots, and I just don't think I can get
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  Speaker 5: unique in all those spots. So I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: be playing way more captains and I always do. And
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  Speaker 5: it's so easy because let's start San France side. Jordan Mason,
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  Speaker 5: the highest priced player on the slates. He's got all
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  Speaker 5: the work this year, He's like minus one eighty to
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  Speaker 5: score a touchdown. He could have twenty five touches. He's
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  Speaker 5: a three nat point favorite. Totally makes sense about Mason.
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  Speaker 5: The problem with him is, well, a lot of similar
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  Speaker 5: builds because value is really tough. So I'm still gonna
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  Speaker 5: be trying to leave salary. We'll get to like defenses
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  Speaker 5: and stuff a Mason san Fran defense. People won't want
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  Speaker 5: to play there. I think that's interesting, So Mason will
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  Speaker 5: definitely be one. I'm gonna leave the quarterbacks to U
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  Speaker 5: tam Will for probably the rest of the year, and
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  Speaker 5: I will dictate what I do with the quarterbacks after.
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  Speaker 5: Right now I'm planning I'm playing both again because I'm
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  Speaker 5: spreading out my captain exposure a lot, and I think
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  Speaker 5: people don't love to go quarterbacks like Mahomes. He came
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  Speaker 5: in what eight percent nine percent at captain and it
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  Speaker 5: was like sixteen percent projected, which surprised me a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: But it doesn't because clicking quarterback names with all these
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  Speaker 5: oh purty gets there. Why isn't it not you catching
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and two when he's in the Captain or
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  Speaker 5: Geno with DK Lockett. So right now I'm planning I'm
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  Speaker 5: playing him, but you can always soft me out with
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  Speaker 5: how good you've been. I'm obviously playing Debo and Iyuk.
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  Speaker 5: I will be playing some Juwan Jennings in the Captain,
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  Speaker 5: just like I'll be playing some Tyler Lockett, just like
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  Speaker 5: I'll be playing some JSN. And the reason for that
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  Speaker 5: is because pricing is so tight. Mid tier captains I
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  Speaker 5: think are more viable, and Juwan could get there again.
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  Speaker 5: After Au came back, Kittle came back. Nothing has looked
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  Speaker 5: like his one massive game. But I think fifteen points
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  Speaker 5: could be enough for Captain optimal still in a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of three receiver sets, solid receiver other side Lockett, wide
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  Speaker 5: receiver three looks too cheap on this slate. Again, he
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  Speaker 5: is wide receiver three right now, but I don't think
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  Speaker 5: he's going to be played at the captain much.
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  Speaker 6: He falls in the box scores seventy points or seventy yards,
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  Speaker 6: I think.
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  Speaker 5: That could be enough. And again all I'm saying. I'm
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  Speaker 5: saying all this because I don't love playing these guys
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  Speaker 5: that are projected for one point that very well could
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  Speaker 5: get zero on this slate. I'd rather guys that are
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  Speaker 5: be on the field. That again wide receiver three ish.
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  Speaker 5: I think sharbon A can be played at the captain.
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  Speaker 5: If you think this game script they're trailing, he's cutting
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  Speaker 5: into Kenneth Walker's workload a bit. He can catch passes
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  Speaker 5: out of the backfield or doesn't force you to do
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  Speaker 5: all these punts. So I really wish I had like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: this guy's gonna be the guy today, But I think
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  Speaker 5: it'd be a mistake just jamming one or two captains
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  Speaker 5: because then you're just playing one v one with a
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  Speaker 5: bunch in the flex, and it's not too many options
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  Speaker 5: on this slate where you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with the first part, disagree with the second.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk about why.
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  Speaker 2: Just First of all, I loved your take about spreading
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  Speaker 2: it out just because on this slate. The reason I
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  Speaker 2: disagree with the second part is because the reason I
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  Speaker 2: agree with the first part. So here's an example. Let's
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  Speaker 2: say we have one hundred thousand lineups in the field
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  Speaker 2: and fifteen thousand of them are Jordan Mason. He becomes
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  Speaker 2: fifteen just for the maths sake, to make it easy.
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  Speaker 2: In Showdown more than classic slate, there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: way higher percentage of those that are bad lineups like
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  Speaker 2: negative AEV super dupes just terrible because you only have
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  Speaker 2: to put five other people in with it. So if
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  Speaker 2: I go fifteen percent Mason, but I don't build that way.
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  Speaker 2: I play defenses against captains. I play five thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: on the table with a receiver where it is, it
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  Speaker 2: makes perfect sense to me. Let's say debo down to Jennings,
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  Speaker 2: it's forty eight hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 2: In showdown situational stuff where I don't think you'll necessarily
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  Speaker 2: be as duped, I think it's scarier to take a
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  Speaker 2: stand and just say, let me play these three captains tonight,
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  Speaker 2: because there is eight captains that all look like they
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  Speaker 2: could very easily be the optimal. So that's why I'll
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  Speaker 2: put two and two together on to say, I agree
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  Speaker 2: with the first part, but I think I can I
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  Speaker 2: can play the field or slightly above or below on
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, and I can technically still
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  Speaker 2: be overweight. I use this example all the time in golf,
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  Speaker 2: but I can apply it to football. Here that same
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  Speaker 2: Mason example, if I play fifteen percent of him, I
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  Speaker 2: am technically matching the field and so I'll go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're paying the rake, you're not getting any leverage, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, I know fifteen thousand lineups, five
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  Speaker 2: thousand of them are probably very So if my fifteen
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  Speaker 2: percent is all built better or more plus ev or
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  Speaker 2: less unique or more unique, less dupes, all the stuff
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for in showdown, then that's a better strategy
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  Speaker 2: to go at.
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  Speaker 1: It with, and why I'd be more okay with it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who what your thoughts are, but are
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  Speaker 2: you taking any huge stands tonight and picking three options.
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  Speaker 1: Or what are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Good points just brought up there. You know, I'm probably
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  Speaker 4: pretty aligned with what title was saying. I'm just not
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  Speaker 4: going to get too picky with what happens in the Captain.
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  Speaker 4: I want to make sure my teams are built properly
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  Speaker 4: with roster construction. I want to make sure I'm looking
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  Speaker 4: to do things a little bit different in the flax
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  Speaker 4: get uncomfortable, but I just don't see myself getting all
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  Speaker 4: that picky with what I do in the Captain spot.
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  Speaker 4: Most likely, you know, i'll have all my information up
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  Speaker 4: on the site, You'll be able to have my ownerships
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  Speaker 4: over at shipping nation dot Com. You know what, you
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  Speaker 4: know what percentage of each captain I have, But like
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Like it could be any of these guys.
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  Speaker 4: The running backs, like Kenneth Walker, they got you know,
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  Speaker 4: played terrible last week and still got like fifteen Fantasy
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  Speaker 4: points just from a bunch of like dump offs and shit,
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  Speaker 4: Like he had a terrible game and still was had
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  Speaker 4: a respectable outcome. Like he just has so much upside. Mason,
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  Speaker 4: I'm good with the quarterbacks. You know, both guys are
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  Speaker 4: willing to spread it out with a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: running upside. These wide receivers DK, Debo, Auk like all
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  Speaker 4: fine options. And the one that does stand out to me, though,
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  Speaker 4: I will say, is like Kittle, Like this could just
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  Speaker 4: be a Kittle games. They come and they're just big,
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  Speaker 4: explosive games. So he's a guy I want to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that I have a good chunk of in the
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  Speaker 4: captain like you want him in the back and forth
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  Speaker 4: sort of games. And this could be it close spread
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  Speaker 4: high total, Like he's a guy that definitely will be
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  Speaker 4: looking at strongly in the captain spot. And then I'm
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  Speaker 4: just good with whatever I get up there. It is
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  Speaker 4: it is kind of boring. There's no like hot takes
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  Speaker 4: or anything. I'm gonna be fine with whatever I get
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  Speaker 4: most likely.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I said I'll let title rebuttal it.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why I said, if you were willing to
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  Speaker 2: take a stand tonight, I know why we're not or
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  Speaker 2: why you just said it. And I tried to explain
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  Speaker 2: my best way through it. But if you were saying, look,
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  Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks are at home, it's likely that because
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  Speaker 2: there often feels more that people are going heavier on
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  Speaker 2: certain builds or whatever it might be. And you say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just gonna go with Purdy, deebo
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  Speaker 2: Ayuk and Kittle, maybe a little Jennings. I'm gonna commit
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  Speaker 2: to the forty nine ers at Captain tonight. You still
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  Speaker 2: have a high I mean it's high risk, high reward.
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  Speaker 2: If the Seahawks are what.
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  Speaker 1: You need Kenneth, Walker, Geno, Metcalf, JS and Lockett. You're
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  Speaker 1: leaving a bunch of dudes out. It's scary.
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  Speaker 2: But if you commit to that, you'd have just use
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  Speaker 2: the example of those five. You could do twenty percent
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  Speaker 2: of all of them. Now you don't probably need twenty
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  Speaker 2: percent Jennings, So maybe you do ten and that gets
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  Speaker 2: you more of Deebo and Kittle, who you want a
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  Speaker 2: heavy chunk to. I think you can get a double
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  Speaker 2: portfolio whammy. Of you can have the safer portfolio lineups
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  Speaker 2: that are, to title's point, more likely to be duped,
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  Speaker 2: but now I can have the second part of my
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  Speaker 2: portfolio put to that side. Again, the risk is you're
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  Speaker 2: leaving all the Seattle captains out in that example.
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  Speaker 1: So tity, I'll let you carry on with it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't fully disagree as much as just to say
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  Speaker 2: I think that example explains why it's trickier tonight for
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  Speaker 2: some and they won't want to commit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so do you see yourself having any captain like
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  Speaker 5: thirty percent or more, because that would essentially be like
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  Speaker 5: double the field is though.
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  Speaker 2: No, So that's why I said I wasn't disagreeing with
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  Speaker 2: your method. I'm gonna do what you're doing. I'm spreading
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  Speaker 2: out tonight for sure, look at all these options.
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  Speaker 6: How well I with the field, But then the other
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  Speaker 6: people are.
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  Speaker 1: Catch the field and still have better lineups than the
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  Speaker 1: field those percentages, and so I'm okay with it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, And I'm in total agreement today.
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  Speaker 5: Like if I today's a slate where if I could
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  Speaker 5: match the field on these eight captains, I'd feel totally
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  Speaker 5: good because I trust myself to build a dupe team
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  Speaker 5: that's twenty teen or times instead of seven hundred, which
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  Speaker 5: we see on some of these showdown slates. So I
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  Speaker 5: think that point's great little stuff that I'll be looking
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  Speaker 5: at for a captain. So instead of like plug in
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  Speaker 5: a Jordan Mason captain team, build all that drop down
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  Speaker 5: to DK for one point two k, less party for
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  Speaker 5: eight hundred.
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  Speaker 6: Less if it makes sense, drop.
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  Speaker 5: Down from a DK at nine K to a JSN
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  Speaker 5: at seven K captain stuff like that, leaving money. It's
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  Speaker 5: a tight salary slate because there's not much value. But
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  Speaker 5: you can see like why can't JSN or lock it
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  Speaker 5: outscore DK? Why can't you said Juwan over Deebo. It's
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  Speaker 5: one game, Crazier things have happened. So that's the little
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  Speaker 5: stuff I'll be looking at. Is little pivots in the
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  Speaker 5: captain spot. Doesn't mean I'm going to be playing Seahawks
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  Speaker 5: D doesn't mean I'm gonna be playing La visca chanal.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's donating money. I'll be leaving sub salary, making
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  Speaker 5: pivots because there's plenty of great skill position players on
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  Speaker 5: both sides today, Jawan Jennings, wide receiver three can out
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: score wide receiver one, deebo Ayuk, whatever today.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: So that's the little stuff I'll be focusing on.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: And this was a better example, Like Rants came through,
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: appreciate you Rantce I wass in here supporting and stead
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe may I'll just play mostly Hawks captains. Certainly, there's
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: no way people are gonna want to leave out all
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: of Purdy, Mason, deebo Ayuk and Kittle. That's what I
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: was trying to say. If you want to roll that route,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: it's way scarier because listen to those names I just mentioned,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: the matchup, the defensive stuff with Seattle, all that stuff.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: It would be scary to do that, But that's where
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: you can really pay it off if you were to
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: go that route on the site where most are going
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: to be spreading it out. We know everyone's spreading it
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: out because the highestone captain to titles point might be
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: fifteen SI ten percent, maybe lower. Well, we'll wait and
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: see when the final numbers come out, but I certainly
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: think that's another angle to look at.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: It was Kittle's birthday yesterday.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: I know everyone wants to play the birthday in edraor
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: what if he's hung over, what if he's tired and
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: he's like, ah, you know what, coach, just let me
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: block tonight, let me run this thing out.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: I can still block. I'm feeling good. I don't know
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: hoop any yesterday. I doubt it. I highly doubt.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I did see, like gl Rojas, a
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: baseball player was playing poker late night before Game three,
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: which is pretty funny.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, great, They.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Never know, Yeah, yeah, I mean I like the Kittle
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: stuff already, so I guess it's a little added to me.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: It would be an added motus.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine he's out getting smashed the day before
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: a game, but I guess you never know.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm in on the Kittle for sure.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's fine tonight. Obviously looks pretty good
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: on paper. And that price savings, I know, like I said,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: it's not like it's super expensive for captain's or sorry
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: for quarterbacks up top, but like DBO thirteen to two,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: you can drop down to Kittle at eleven one, and
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I just don't see the ownership going there, so you're
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: still getting some leverage.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it actually shakes out when it's all
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: said and done. But I like that.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And to answer your question from earlier title to quarterbacks, Yeah,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: but Perdy spreads it out. I don't know how you
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: wouldn't play Perdy. I mean, he's throwing for a ton
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: of yards. It's a great spot the I think there's
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: one of the best cornerbacks that Seahawks have are out
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: this game. I forget his name was Bunting Smith.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: I forget anybody.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: One of the dudes that's out there.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is, you know, when you
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: he can check it down to Mason, he can throw
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: it to deebo Ayuk jennings Kittle. There's there's like five
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: guys right there, and he can definitely spread it out.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: He makes sense for that. It's not that he needs
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to run, it's just more than he spreads it out.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I think on the other side, it's tighter because you
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: feel like it's with Gino. It's just DK and JSN.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I know Lockett's there and he keeps getting, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: thrown under the bus by pretty much anyone and everyone.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: But surprisingly enough, he still has opportunity to spread it out.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: He does check it down to Kenneth Walker, We've seen
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: him get five six targets or whatever. He does check
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: it down to Charbonnay. He does still have Lockett. He
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: throws to Bobo, He's thrown to Burner for a touchdown,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: like he's done a bunch of different stuff, and he
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: can get chugging on the ground a little bit as well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: So I think captains, I think both quarterbacks are fine tonight,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and it's really just more of an almost fifty point
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: total game back and forth potential. But I really will
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: have some builds. I will say this where I'm focused
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on the under because again I know the total kept
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: going up, but I just know these types of games,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: We're waiting on this offense all this and then it's
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a Division Island game and it turns out to be
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like twenty seventeen, and so I could definitely see that
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: and I'll build for that as well.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Hoop any other thoughts up top.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: No, I think all really really good points. I mean, again,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: just to reiterate, I mean, somebody spread out, there's no
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: doubt about it. I mean, all these guys look pretty appealing.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: The field is going to want to get a little
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: exposure to everyone. So if you are spreading it out,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: if we're building a bunch of teams, make sure like
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: you had talked about doing things a little bit different
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: with the rest of the team.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to the kickers later too.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Rants But they did get Matthew reddishould note in there
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: for Kicker with Moody out, so I wasn't sure if
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: they were gonna add him. They usually do, but they did,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: so we got him in here. He's forty six hundred
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: on this slate for the forty nine ers. We got
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Myers on the other side for five.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. I like both kickers tonight as well. I worry
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: more about that if you put them up top, because
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: if you do, you will get what you need, Like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you'll feel really good about it, kind of like the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: juju stuff from the other night where you got Kelsey
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Mahomes Shaheed, you pretty much got it all. You didn't
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: even need. We were right about that, by the way,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to the other night. The Moreau touchdown still not needed.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: You needed thirteen point six, and even after the thirteen
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: point six, it was like sixteen point eight and above,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and that was just a thirty nine point game across
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the board right between both sides, so you needed the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: fantasy points there.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And I expect tonight will be pretty much the same.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I know who you talk pre show a little bit
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: about that, but you've been pretty right about it too,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: almost every week except I think one.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think every slate except for one. Part of this.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Pricing is that even when there is value, it's not
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: necessarily needed. There's guys scoring touchdowns for one thousand bucks
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: or fifteen hundred bucks still not being required in these
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: winning lineups.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Man, And that goes to like titles point on like
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: the mid tier price captains, you know, so you avoid
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: all that garbage, you can avoid all that junk down there,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: which more times than not not going to be on there,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: like Kyle Uthchek and Schanalt or aj Barner, like Pharaoh Brown.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Do you really want to play those guys?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: If I want to play those guys in as few
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: teams as possible tonight when I go and build my team,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: so I have if I have to make some adjustments
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: at captain, I'll be willing to do so to avoid
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: that trash down there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point too, because it kills two
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: sides of the field when it happens right. People are
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: definitely putting expensive captains to jam those values, and then
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: people are mixing those values to be more unique in
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the mid range lineup. So you're killing off if you
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: go more mid range captains to what we talked about earlier,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and you cut off some of the top end, you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: cut off the low end, those lineups are dead if
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it goes your way, as well as all the mid
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: range captain lineups that use those cheapies as well. So
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you actually can get rid of like forty to fifty
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: percent of the field just like that, Like talk about
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a leg up.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That's what you're looking for and why there's still such
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: an edge in showdown. So love those calls title. I'll
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: go to you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about these quarterbacks more I hit on them.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Do you have anything you want to add to that?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And if not, you can actually take us.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: To running back because I think the quarterbacks we kind
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of talked through already, But go ahead.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really have too much. I mean, quarterbacks
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: are underpriced yet someone mentioned it. Gino at seventy two
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: yards on the ground last week thirty eight, the week
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: before Week one, he had thirty, so he's shown him
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: that he can't use his legs. I still will play
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: both quarterbacks, and I think I'll have at least two
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: pass catchers with them, but I would include sharbon Ay
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: as a pass catcher. If I just had DK sharbon
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Ay Gino, I'd be good with that, but overstacking both
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: of them, playing all like fans locket JSN with Gino
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: or Purdy Juwan Kid all deep like. You can definitely
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: do that, and I'll be looking to do that when
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I do play quarterback captain teams running back.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: I mean it's really easy.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: On the San France side, Jordan Nason's getting almost all
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: the work. I say almost because this Isaac Rindo dude
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: has got a couple touches. He stinks Division game close spread.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I am not playing him. I'm gonna throw it back side.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: With sharbon A and Walker, it looks like Walker's getting
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: almost double the ownership in the Flex and on a
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: slate where salary is really tough thirty four hundred, Sharbona
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: looks like one of the best values on the slate
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: twenty percent in the Flex. Roughly, I'll definitely be overweight
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: on Sharbonay today and again I'm fine in the captain,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: definitely prefer in the flex.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: But if again, this is where you handbuild or you
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: tell a story.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Forty nine ers jump out quick, they're up fourteen to nothing,
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: they're up two touchdowns roughly almost all game. Scharmon Ay
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: will get more work as the game goes on. Is
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: the better pass catching back right there? So if he
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: can catch five balls, you tell yourself a story that
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: mid tier lowish captain. I would even call him mid
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: tier works out. I'm gonna throw back to you on
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: this though, Tambo, the Warner, the Bobos, the used checks
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: of the world is could to be enough today with
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: salary this tight, and it always gets you different to
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: an extent most slates, I don't think.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: So this late, I'm more confused.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: So I'm debating on what to do with like the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: US chats the Bobos because you can't get unique that way,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: but just say three points use check.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: What are the ausies on the optimal?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see it. I haven't seen it all season.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So it's like you can get seven or eight and
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you might not be on it, and that doesn't that's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at the score of the night didn't even cross forty points.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I think again.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I've talked forever about real life points versus fantasy, but
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say it just hasn't been required,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: so it makes it tougher. I still mix them in
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: because I'm looking to get more unique, so I'm trying
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: not to doupe as much, and I have a larger
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: portfolio to allow myself to do that. I also build
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: in sets where I'm not going to be committed my
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: whole portfolio to spread that through it. It's a percentage
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: of my portfolio to have outs. But I mean Bobo's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: at least somewhat interesting because the way they mix around
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: their pass catchers there, I guess, fine, and there's no
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: real value.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, Man, it's really tough, like the use checks.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: The guerare endos and these guys like man, they'll they'll
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: fit in a little bit, I'm sure, but you can't
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: be counting on them. It's just if it gets there,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you're really lucky and everything went your way. That's what
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you need sometimes in showdown, but that's what you're looking
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: for if you're doing.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, most like most people watching probably play twenty teams
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: or less. You don't have to worry about any of
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: those guys like you're gonna lose way, way, way more
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: times than that. It's the one to fifty people. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: will see sharps play on them because when they win
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: once a year and they win all the chiefs by themselves,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: they're good. What Tam was talking about, which I try
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: to build as well, but I try and mix in,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Like I know Ball, I know use check stinks and
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: he's not going to be on the winner, and I
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: know I want to make all the money and the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: ED and seeing all the sharps, so I try and
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: blend it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: And yeah, I probably won't play use check either.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things like you said.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But if you win to you know, if you're chopping
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: up tonight, you're getting two hundred something K plus or something,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: let's say in a three way chop.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good for the year, right, You're doing.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Really well at that point depends on how these classic
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: slates keep going.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But you're doing pretty good for the year. If you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: get one of those chops.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: I hope you're not donating two hundred k and a
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: classic slate anybody out.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: There I hope I'm not either.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it for Trendville and always goes this way
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and then yeah, some good weeks here and there.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's not that bad, folks, But just saying I think
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: at least you know someone interesting.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the thought process you had, I will say,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: hoop can making it to you on these running backs.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Ken Walker, man, they did save him. I was.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I was in the chat talking about Kenneth Chalker and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the Sea Chalks for the Classics late last week.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm just worried that they're.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Just gonna hold him tight because remember the game before
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: he was coming back from injury, but he was doing
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like backflip Samurai crossovers and shit, and you're like, oh god,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: this guy gott to be healthy. But then they only
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: what do you have two carries? In the whole first half.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: The Giants had the ball. Literally it was the worst
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: game ever.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: They had the pick six and the goal line for
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: one hundred and one yards and Danny Dimes converted every
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: single Seattle could have ran words with time and possession,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: it was insanity.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: So oh, it was a little mixed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: On that Walker could have done more. And now maybe
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that's the case, tonight.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Night, Tonight, Tonight, tonight is the night.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I do agree, though, It's like Mason Walker, I mean
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: we've talked about them, Captain Flax, Charbonne. You know, it
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: is probably way too cheap at thirty four hundred, he
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: can you know, kind of rack up the PPR stuff.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: So he would be clearly a really solid option, But
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: like I want to avoid the used and grendo people,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: like just to touch on the point, like do you
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: would we need like three or four from like a
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: five hundred, six hundred dollars player. I agree with what
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: you said, Tambo. It's like I just don't see it
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: on the site. There's so many, so many legit fantasy
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: guys on the slate. I just I don't I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: like everyone does, you know, puts up a pretty decent score,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: a big chunk of undoes, and then you got the
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: kickers as well, that these people will be these plays
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: would be contending with. So Mason Walker, Sharpenney, all really
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: solid options.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good point too.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: People are be so mad about the kickers again tonight,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It's like they're forty six hundred and five k teams
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that kick all the time.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Like this is just literally a perfect spot and people
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: will continue to be mad.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I just realized Kenny put the zip up because he's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the guy that was high on Kenneth Walker. But I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: realized because he is Kenny w he's no wonder, He's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a big Kenneth Walker, the third fan. He's got it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: all right within his name. So it all makes sense. Now, Kenny,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: we got you figured out, man. But I will say
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the Sharbonnay thing title, I'll kick this actually, because you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: brought him up multiple times, then Hoop just validated and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I thought the same he has he was. That was
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the other reason he was getting a little bit more
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: work checked down things like that. But I don't think
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I'll play much of them together unless even with the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: there is a nice enough price on Scharbonay, you could,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: but I think it would be like five to one
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Seahawks because I think even if he's getting late work,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: it's probably not because the Seahawks blew them out and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Walker scored two times. It's probably because the Seahawks got
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: blown out, so they're not going to play Walker at
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the end of the game and they'll let Sharbona just
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: rack up eight catches down the stretch or something like that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: That's how I could see it working out.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But any thoughts just on using those guys together and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: then anything else at running back.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: If not, you could take us to wide receiver.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: My first thought is I definitely agree, but in your
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: lower scoring builds, I think I would keep it, mainly
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: due to the fact that just the range of Charbonnet
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: is so bad where eight points could be enough. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: if kind of Walker outscores the debos Yukes of the world,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I think I maybe like him, like they're both in
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: the flex, and then I have a sand frame guy
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: or something like that, because you.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Walk would need to score and outscore some of those
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: guys up top.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: But the charbon Ay range, like if Juwan Jennings doesn't
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: get there, the defenses only gets you a six fan
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: doesn't do too much, he gets some ownership and Sharboney
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: outscores them.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised I could see it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And then also, as you know, Tama, anytime you play
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: two running backs on the same team, it's almost always
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: duped way less because handbuilders really get there.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: So I think more than likely.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but a lower scoring script, I think it could
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: make sense. Nothing more at running back wide receivers. Well,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you guys are definitely right, and I
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: think I'm gonna tail you guys, Like why played Bobo
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and Chanalt all that?
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: It's really odd, it's really easy. You have three guys
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: on both sides.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: You have Deebo, you have Ayuk, you have Juwan Jennings
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: getting all the three receiver sets.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: You have DK Mtcalf, you have JSN, you have Tyler Lockett.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: So again, Bobo I think would be in play big
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: boy good receiver. He could catch a forty yard touchdown.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: If he catches a forty yard touchdown, you'll probably need him. Again,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: most people playing twenty teams or less, I wouldn't get there.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: As far as my favorites, I think it's gonna be
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Juwan Jennings because I just hate all this value. So
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna say, like Juwan JSN, and then
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I Devo. Something's telling me Debo, he
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: just has so many ways to get there today, So
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I'll say he's my favorite behind Juwan, JSN, Debo. But again,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: like it's I'm spreading a lot of this stuff out.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: We're just narrowing our player pool. You guys have talked
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: out of the used checks. The Bobos all that the
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: player pool is gonna be so so tight. Just how
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: you build those without playing the same team as four
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: hundred people is the problem today.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, our guy go collects in there talking
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: about used check snap percentage inflated with the because of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: those emergency holder opportunities. Yeah, that was something last week
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: when they lost their kicker. But in general, I know
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: what he's talking about. Our guy Mayo is in the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: chat shut Out Underdog.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He's got them code mail.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You actually got a free pick with Purdy for tonight's game,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and he's all dialing it in. He's got to play
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: ready for you guys always said toss on the Mason
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Walker rushing overs.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You got a six x going on and only gone
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: under the eighty three and a half once in five games.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That's your your play of the day from from mister
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Pat Mayo. And then the Peach talks about this. We're
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: always talking about process strategy, and you know, my one
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of the tamboisms is if you play lighter, play tighter,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: if you got twenty This is what exactly I think
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: what Tyler and I and even Hoop were talking about
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: earlier tonight, is if you if you're playing twenty max,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: don't be spreading it out and playing eight captains, Like,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: come on, that's just not you're gonna do, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a couple of lineups of each a couple with three, like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: it's just not the way to do it in that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you are gonna have to take your chances, and I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: think you play three or four at most.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Really maybe it's less.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: You could play ten to ten, you could play ten
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: five five like something like that is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: How I would do it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: To each their own, but I would really try and
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: get there because you're gonna be in a larger field. Still,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You've only got twenty so does everybody else, but everybody's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: gonna spread it out across the board. I'd want to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: make sure I've got a little bit tighter Captain pool Hoop,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: You have any other thoughts, just if you were only
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: playing twenty max.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I try probably try to narrow it down to
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe four ish captains five.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: If you're doing one.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Fifty, obviously you can spread it out, I mean, but yeah,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: you want to create more paths to the top, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: by narrowing it down at the captain spot, you are
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: able to create more paths, so I don't mind that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: And then in terms of the wide receiver stuff, I
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: mean it's kind of boring.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I mean it's the three on each side.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna try again try to avoid these scrub dudes
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: like Bobo.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: And Chenault and Ronnie Bell.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I don't want to play these guys if I don't
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: have to, and I will sacrifice uh some shares of
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: more expensive captains in order to avoid the cheap players.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: But they're all very solid, you know, deebo Ayuk and
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Jennings and I agree that jennings price is too cheap.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I don't mind playing him in the captain uh. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: then on the other.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Side you got DK JSN and UH Tyler Lockett, all
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: solid options, so I'll have heavy exposure tall and then
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: trying to avoid the cheap.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this already, Kenny. You must have
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: missed it off the top. It was yesterday, not even
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: his birthday. No more to move on, you know when
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you get that old doesn't even matter anyway, the birthday's over.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: We have some really sharp members over in the Shima Nation.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Discord A Lini fans certainly one of those. And again
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: this does stand out to me when we do these shows.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the fun in it. The more the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: show goes on, the more I start thinking about things,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and what keeps coming up is deebo ayuk DK, Metcalf, Jennings,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the Kittle stuff, all this, and while Mason is going
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: to be on, you may even end up as the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: highest owned whop. You always talk about this getting kept
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in check. He's definitely getting kept in check if all
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: these other options are keeping probably the best spot and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the best guy in check for what this team's all about,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: what everything they do. People love when I say about
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: by the way, I got that in the comments, A
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: bunch of must have a real thick accent on that one.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I just heard it myself even but now I'm just
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: going through it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: But the Mason talk starts to make a lot more
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: sense for where I might get my leverage tonight. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: even if it is twenty to twenty five and he
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: comes in thirteen to fifteen, I feel pretty good about
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that because I'm also gonna have then I can have
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a more balanced Mason portfolio.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, some of them will be similar, but a.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Lot of them will be playing to be completely unique
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: or lightly duped. So title just anything else you want
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to add on that one, then you could take us
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: if you have any more wide receiver if not tight Ends.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: You know, the accents strong when you catch yourself.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Saying I know, I know there is Yeah, I love it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: What Jake said, I or Jake so wales our guyst
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: as I say, JAG's weird. So I don't know a
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: lot of people in here chirping accents. I guess, But
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: tight End, I guess. It's just how you're playing that
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: aj Varner dude like him, Bobo Uschek, Grindo. If you're
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: playing one hundred and fifty teams, you will see a
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: lot of the best players in the world do it
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: our stance right here. Most people don't watch play on
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty. I don't play one hundred and fifty.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I'm going to ax him out after all of our talks,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: not expecting four to be enough.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: And then it's fan and Kittle.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: What I will say is, man, fans gotta get ownership
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: just because value is so tough, and he's on the field,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: he's like the fifth option.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: Like I don't like that value at all.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: And I guess that's why I keep talking charmon Ay
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Jenmings because I like them a lot more. We're going
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: to get to defense as kickers. I'm gonna be playing
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: all of them in the range more than Fan. No,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to x them out. I was playing
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: ten teams or less, I probably would have no fans.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I think he'll be over owned. Target huers awful. Almost
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: all of the targets are dump boss in the flat
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: as the fourth read. So yeah, I like Kittle, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: don't like too much Fan, But again, you can't just
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: x out Fan with the limited options we have down below.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah go collect brought it up, Bret, you speaking of
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Mayo being in here earlier, Darius break the Slaton absolutely did.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: He was on the perfect lineup, not just the winning lineups.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He was on the absolute optimal last week, so there
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was certainly that. But don't forget Tracy Junior had a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: pretty good game too in the exact same spot. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker, I mean, sorry, Jordan Mason. Kenneth Walker's on
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: my mind now too. He's the other running back in
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: this game that we can go to. But I think
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Jordan Mason also in a spot of for sure as well.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: So hoop, I'll go to you the tight end talk.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: That title just went like fant too cheap. Probably does
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: get a lot more ownership in the Flex than what
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we expect and saw on not much up top, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: don't think, but just in general, he'll be he'll be
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: involved thoughts on Fant and then any love for anybody
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: else when it comes to tight end.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You've already talked a lot about Kittle.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just kind of the same page as
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: as title like Fant to me is probably like one
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: of the worst value plays, and he's probably gonna get
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of ownership just because of the price. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: know I mean really that's the last price people are
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: gonna want to go to.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: The three K. People are not gonna want.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: To go below three K on the slates, So he
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: probably does get ownership. I'm gonna play him, don't get
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: me wrong, but you know, I don't feel great about it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Definitely prefer him in the Geno Captain teams. I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: that's the best way to use Fan in the Flex
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: on those Gino captain teams. Love Kittle, like I talked about,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: you want him in these high scoring games, the back
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: and forth stuff.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: If we get that, you know, I think he could
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: have a massive game already talked about it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: And then with the Pharaoh Brown thing, he's in that
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: group of guys that I want to avoid if possible. Again,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I haven't built teams yet, so I gotta see. But
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do my boss to avoid the cheap shit
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: plays like Faroll Brown, and he's in that category for
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: me tonight. And then same with Barner. You can throw
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Barner in that mix as well, the cheap shit punts.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want a lot of them trying to avoid it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: We'll see what happens when I build teams, and like
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: I said, I build out for the show and everything
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: will be updated on the site, so you guys will
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: know exactly.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Where I'm at. Yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about a couple more things in a second,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: but a good segue.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our girl Drea. She got in there
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: right away, got the pre order.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I should have noted this off the top, I forgot,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: But the new merch did go live on the site today.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: The replenish of everything else.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Bunch of orders coming through over the last couple of days,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: we got some out to our founding family and now
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: some stuff for what's left the limited quantities. For those
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: out there, you can use code merch ten. You just
• 35:42
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• 35:45
  Speaker 2: ten gets.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You tembercent off as much.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And for any members, we are going to be giving
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: away one member a free order, So whatever you buy,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: one person's gonna win their order. The blue hoodies are
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: what I'm excited about. The Travis Matthew logo hats with
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the mesh back but shut out to Drea got in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: get back to it here, Tweezey says. He he mentions
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it here just once that guys the Triple on Tundra
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: something screaming ground game.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: It just keeps coming up the more the show goes on.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It kind of fits my narrative of if it doesn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: end up being the forty nine point total that it
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: kept creeping up towards all week. And then Mayo liked
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it earlier too, he said, get the Mason and the
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Walker ground game over. So yeah, I just think that's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: somewhat interesting. You'll definitely have to get different elsewhere because
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you know, even with the you know, limited Captain ownership
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and spread out, I should say up top, you are
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: still going to see people be able to fill it
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: out easily to titles point with like a fant iuk
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: or whatever you get in there. So I just think
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in general that's why some of those plays will come
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: into play title that we don't want to play, but
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: they kind of just have.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: To if you kind of if you go that route right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: For sure again you will. I always am trying to
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: look at the best players in the world, what they play.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: They always are playing these bombs down below because when
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: it does win and they're playing guys like Jacob Cowing
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: or something like, guys that like I could never click
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and it feels like they But next thing you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: someone's winning five hundred K with one of those dudes
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: and they're good for two years. That's the mindset. Just
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: know when you play like that, your swings are roller coasters.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: We've been waiting for this late too. Tweezy's all over tonight. Tweezy,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you might have a big win tonight. This could be something. Man,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: play your game, leave money on the table, like you said,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: certainly could be a thing. Lots of good stuff out there,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: New One said I got that. The wife was yelling
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to hurry up, hurry up. You got in on the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: original order, so you're certainly set. You'll be on the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: first shipment shot at the Beatle Bang got my Ross
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: got his. So lots of people are getting involved getting
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the merch. We appreciate it obviously. You know. We don't
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: try and make a bunch of money on that stuff.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: We just want to look good, feel good, rep the brand,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and then keep it rolling.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It's not our main process here. We're trying to help
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you guys win at dfs, find success, get your own process,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: get better at the game.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: But hoop anything with these kickers and d's that you
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: want to talk about, that's that's next up on the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: agenda here.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: Oh I players and whatever.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you. It's kind of boring.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of boring today because very predicted, not predictable.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: But it's like, I don't know, yeah, it's the same thing.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: The one thing I will say, we got this new
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: kicker with Moody out Matthew Right, and you know if
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: it was Moody, Moody would be much higher owned than
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Right is. So I'm looking to take advantage of that situation.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: With a guy like you know, Matthew Wright, who I'm
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: sure can freaking kick field goals. I mean, all these
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: dudes they come off the streets and they're kicking fifty
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: five yarders. So I'm gonna take my chance with right,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: get overweight on him. I'm gonna play it as if
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: it's Moody, to be honest with you, whatever I would
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: envision in my head for Moody, I'm gonna play right
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: that way, and I'll definitely be overweight on him. And
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: then Jason Myers is fine. He's been double digits three
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: out of five games and then an eight pointer as well,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: So marry good.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: With the kickers.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: And then like my like my boy said, title, Indeed,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: whatever I get on the d I get. And you
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: know what are they forty two and thirty eight hundred? Yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: So whatever I get.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So so Matthew right, here we go. Get the stats
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty up to now. He's kicked forty seven
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: field goal attempts.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Title, how many think you? How many thing you think?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: He's made forty three forty so he's worse than you think.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Along of forty nine, and he's thirty five to thirty
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: seven on extra points. Guy's terrible field bulls and two
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: missed extra points. That's you know, someone said, stud, I
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, man, that's like pretty bad stats overall. But
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I guess he's he's got to warm up, right, So
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: maybe today is the game Matthew gets right and has
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: himself a good one. I like Hoops thought Moody would
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: definitely be a little bit Yeah, probably too. That's a
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: shot at my Ravens there, but it is true. Justin
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Tucker very bad so far this season. So Matthew Wright
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like Justin Tucker is what you're saying, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: overall Hall of Famer, but hopefully does something tonight.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But I like Hoops take that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Usually you would see Moody with much higher ownership, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: because it's not Moody, there's a potential that you don't
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: see it as high just because title anything you want
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to add on these guys at all.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Well, on your boy Talker stepped up against the vegals
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: and mac Fierce and sh his pants.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: So that was definitely like lamar fumble. Yeah, I thought
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it was hell.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Crazy, crazy, crazy game you had the fumble I thought
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: was all she wrote and come on, Mike Pherson, but
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I hope it's a defense day man like with such
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: a condensed player pool for me and salary being pretty tough,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: you know, these defenses have to be really level. I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: gonna play the kickers too, Don't get me wrong. The
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Niners D people are gonna go Juwan Jennings more for cheaper,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: sharbon A more for cheaper and I think the Kickers
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: right and Meyers more Seahawks D same thing, Like why
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: play who wants to play defenses in a fifty point total?
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Really when fans a little cheaper, sharbon A is cheaper,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: so just naturally to get different, I'm gonna be including
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: defenses going when you play Walker and captain or Mason
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: and captain. I even like bumping those the defenses on
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the same team a little more with a little correlation.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: And then kickers wise, I mean they're nuking. Why can't
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: in a low scoring game? Why can't even maybe not
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Meyer right outscore jsn locket kittle I you even debo
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: even if it is Mason just getting all the work
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: on the ground, getting all the touchdowns, passing game boss
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: that allows you to leave three K four k et cetera.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: So I'll be playing all four of them.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: They're gonna defenses will be low owned, kickers will be moderate,
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: and I'm hoping at least one of the defenses on
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: the winner for once, because it's been tough out there
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: this year.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have more of both than usual just because
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: of what my take was at least on one of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: my sets tonight. And I'll talk about in the slate
• 41:31
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• 41:33
  Speaker 2: going to target a potential lower scoring game that does
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: involve the defenses and kickers a little bit more mistakes
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: are made. Things like that, because I think the other lineup,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: so like you said, they're just once you fill them
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: out with a mid range captain. You either have to
• 41:45
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• 41:47
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• 41:48
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• 41:51
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• 41:53
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I did a run as we're kind of
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• 43:01
  Speaker 4: need the pumps, like I can get what I want,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: and I still don't need the punts, and nothing is
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: shown up is crazy ownership on guys. I don't want
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: to have high ownership on So I think it's possible
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: to do what you know, I think we all kind
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: of talked about and like to some degree is avoiding
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: those just full on shit dudes. So I think it's
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: very possible to do that on the slate while accomplishing
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: your goals at the captain. So I did want to
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: just point that out before we hit on some FanDuel stuff.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to point out one more thing too,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: because speaking of your that's your run kind of what
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: you're thinking of the dry run.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I don't if you remember this who, but there was
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a guy.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: In the flex on your dry run the other night
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that you're getting seventy percent of.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Left.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: It ended up being the winning.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Captain on the slate, which was a Juju a one
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster, and tonight that guy actually looks like
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings. Juwan Jennings popping up in forty other boys
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: depending on your run and Captain. He's not really popping
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: up get like two percent just because it's a dry run,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: but you can adjust that, and I think Jennings is
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: somewhat interesting six thousand at the Captain. You will have
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: to get unique in the flex. But I also don't
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: see him getting huge ownership in the Captain right. I
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna be two percent or less or something.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So I definitely think that's a possibility to go that
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: route if you want to follow the juju stuff from
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the Other Night title. Any final thoughts from you on
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the slate or wrapping it up before you go to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: FanDuel of just things you might have changed your mind
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: on or things you feel better about now that we've
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: talked through it all.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I feel better fading all those bumps because the reasons
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: you guys talked about. And then it's just really gonna
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: be because I'm so concentrated. I'm just really gonna try
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: and paint a story. Leaving salary is always good, but
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: dropping Devo down the kittle you need to do more
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: than that. Sometimes that's fourteen hundred Jsen down to the kickers.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: That's two k plus. Defenses will be really low owned
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Juwan Jennings captains the JSN Market captain. So now I'm
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: kind of from the beginning just that I'm gonna be
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: spread out, but now I'm going to be excluding all
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: those other guys. A playerpool will be tight, captain player
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: pool will be pretty wide. Flex naturally would be pretty tight.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: I'll be leaving money and I'll be just be looking
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: at these pivots that I can paint the story and
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: then game script wise, how do you see it going?
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: You have Kenneth Walker and the captain, your team should
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: look a lot different than if you have Brandon Ayyuk
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: and the captain, et cetera. So yeah, let's do somethandle.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do some vandal Kenny.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I thought a dry run was what happened with your
• 45:23
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• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Just got to know how to formulate the graph.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit better. You gott to finagle it a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: little bit. Make sure you can still show the arrow
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: up on the graph.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: That's all you gotta.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Do't show them anything.
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  Speaker 3: I hope, I hope a lot.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, I hope a lot of I hope there's not
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• 45:41
  Speaker 4: very very low number. But man, just don't don't let
• 45:44
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• 45:45
  Speaker 3: It's never never gonna work out well.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And if they do get involved, make sure there's you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: some skewed numbers, like you said, maybe make sure you
• 45:53
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  Speaker 3: Like that's uh, that's that's rule number one.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: When it comes to the dfs and gambling, obviously, don't
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: lose your freaking house and all that shit like that's
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  Speaker 4: obviously rule level one.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to the ladies, got a massage
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: in there, a little bit they can't get. They can't
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: handle the raw information.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Don't don't believe the myths.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Don't be racking up your credit cards beyond believe where
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: they're calling your friends and family looking to see what's
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: going on with you. I mean that happens out there
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: most certainly and realistically, Jaya, I don't think he sucks.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I'm making fun of the numbers that he does have.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Forty seven opportunities, thirty seven field goal time mean extra
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: point at ten. I'm just making fun of it. I
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: think he's fine. I think he's certainly useful tonight. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: don't think there's any reason. They're not gonna be scared
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to go to him. They're gonna trust him. Whether or
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: not it works out, I can't tell you, but I
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: can tell you I was just making fun of his numbers,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: like forty for forty seven sounds bad on paper. It's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: over the last almost five years now at this point,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: so that's just another thing to bring up. Oh, baby,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: we got the real deal just came through snoop a
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: loop on it. It ain't George Kittle's birthday. His birthday
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: was yesterday. All these other sites out there and shows
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: talking about George Kittle birthday express, it's Geno Smith's actual
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: birthday today.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: This man is thirty four year old.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Thirty four years old today, the Seahawks put up thirty
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: four points.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Gino's the number one captain. There we go, Geno Smith crazy.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: Everyone's talking Kittle the whole time. It took us forty
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: seven minutes to realize there's actually.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: A birthday on an actual birthday, like a legitimate player
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: that matters.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: The round two, thirty ninth pick. Back in twenty thirteen,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Gino Smith back in the mix. Baby, here we go.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So Libra season, they said, here we go.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, what was I gonna say, I've already forgot
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: move on.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back if you talked about it, So yeah, people
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: aren't paying attention. Though, I haven't heard that one out
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: there today, so it's the first first I heard of it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: So I like that, all right? Cool?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Any any FanDuel stuff hoop that you've got, I mean,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: certainly something to look at tonight. I think the quarterbacks
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: will be really popular over there, maybe Mason as well,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: But give me your quick thoughts at at Fandel over there.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Really bad pricing on the quarterbacks, like really really bad
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: pretty at thirteen k and then gam at fourteen to five.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about avoiding the punch.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: You're still you're gonna be able to play those guys
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: and still avoid the punts just because of how cheap
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: they are. Mason at fifteen to five, I imagine he's
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: not going to get squeezed a little bit, but he's
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: like the only guy that's that's up in that range.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Walker's at fourteen. And then all the wide receivers, you know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: DBO twelve five, Metcalf twelve, i UK eleven. So like
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: they basically took all these wide receivers essentially and just
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: took them down five hundred, five hundred and five hundred.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: But that's kind of what the projections are. They're all
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: pretty pretty close in terms of projections. They're all solid plays. Again,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Kittle just stands out to me. Maybe Kittle and Gino
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: go back to back birthdays. Maybe they'll, you know, both
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: have some some big games tonight. So maybe that's the
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: call Kittle. And it's not that wouldn't be like a
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: hot take or anything, but Kittle and Gino in some way,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: shape or form on the optimal tonight, I think, is
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: what is going to happen. Myers eighty five hundred east cheap,
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. Again, it's the same thing. I
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: don't really want to play these guys down here. Fant
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: at seventy five hundreds, probably as low as I want
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: to go. I mean, I'm probably going to have to
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: play Simor on FanDuel, but don't love it by any.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Means I was gonna say too.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the paying up for probability seems like a real
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: thing on FanDuel because Mason at fifteen to five. Not
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: only is the fact that Perty's only thirteen k gonna
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: boost him up being that they're on that team, it's
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: easier to stack up less value on the slate as
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: a whole. But a lot of people aren't gonna want
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to stack Purty with Mason, so you're gonna double down.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be able to get Mason lower owned everywhere,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: but if you put him up in the MVP spot
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: even better, and then you could leave Perty out, you're
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: sort of doubling down because Perty's gonna be probably eighty
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: five percent owned on FanDuel across both Flex and or
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: any Flex and they call it an MVP.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So I like that, And then I also like the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: flip side.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Like you mentioned there, hooped the opposite side, it could
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: end up being half the ownership with Gino up top
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: birthday Geno. Man, it's going down, so I don't know.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I like this one. Gino Smith could be a guy
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: over there as well. Kenneth Walker another guy. He's priced
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: up like all those dudes fourteen, fourteen five and fifteen
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: to five. When you can just play Perty or Debo
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: at thirteen or twelve five.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I really like that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: So I think Fandel again it won't be interesting because
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it always still chops a million ways. But hoops the
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: King of chopping over there, so he probably still loves it,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: but at least you can feel like you're getting a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: little bit better early on.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: I will say the call and the show, I don't know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Again, it wasn't at the time.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: It was a hot take the call on last show,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I said either, I said, either Juju or Watson would
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: be in the optimal right, and you know Juju's goot.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Did did Watson do anything? I think he might? Did
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: he get zero?
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: No?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean Juju have a good day.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: He took care of you, correct, So yeah, that was
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: that was the call last show. The call today it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: going to be some some way shape or form, Kittle
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: or Gino, one of those two up top and then
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: the other one in Flex is going to be on
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: the Winter all.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Right, the double birthday Express you got the actual birthday
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and the day late birthday, the belated birthday title.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Any Fandul thoughts you wanted to go through here.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Like you said, Jordan, you guys covered well Jordan Mason
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: because of his price, especially in the Flex, Like I'll
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: still be played at MVP, but Flex I think will
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: be very low owed. So if you can build a
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: game where you Jordan Mason still as well, but someone
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: out scores them. That's interesting. With value being so tough,
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: that's another reason Mason will be even lower owned.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: I don't see anyone below fan either.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: At seven to five you're going to the US check
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Barner's Grindos of the world, even that Bobo only one
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: k less. And then I do think Walker or Purdy, Mason,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Gino do soak up so much of the MVP ownership.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Why can't DK, deebo, Iu, Kittle, Kenneth, Walker, acceet so
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: many other pivots that are gonna be probably sub ten
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: percent at MVP with the bonus over there as well,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: all of them could be the highest score on the
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: slate and it's a lot easier to get different going
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: that way.
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