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IFH 804: How I Made a Cult Zombie Movie for $75 and Took On Hollywood with Marc V. Price · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 5: On this episode of the podcast, we have a returning
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  Speaker 5: guest who gain frame from making a seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 5: zombie film. It was actually a feature length film. It
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  Speaker 5: cost seventy five dollars or forty five pounds, and it
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  Speaker 5: was an absolute independent film smash hit because it went to.
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  Speaker 4: All the different festivals.
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  Speaker 5: We're not gonna talk too much about that, but we
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  Speaker 5: because we've already talked about that, the first time he
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  Speaker 5: was here, but we we kind of touched on it again.
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  Speaker 5: But now he's back with not one but two movies,
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  Speaker 5: Night Shooters and A Fistful of Lead, which is actually
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  Speaker 4: Mark the Price.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm vi to a cinema an age. They can't
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  Speaker 6: go because I'm stuck finishing up this film, so I
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  Speaker 6: have had a chance to really get into, you know,
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  Speaker 6: an air conditioned cinema and just hide from the sun.
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  Speaker 5: Well see, that's a good problem to have, though you
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  Speaker 5: can't watch movies because you're making movies.
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  Speaker 4: It is true.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of my friends have got
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  Speaker 6: to be seen this. Have you've seen this? And I'm like, oh, may,
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  Speaker 6: I'd love to, but I got time. You know. I
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  Speaker 6: found the time to go and see Solo, which is unfortunate,
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  Speaker 6: but hey, I did it. It's a thing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was a really empty cinema as well. It's like
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  Speaker 6: literally me, it was just me. I wandered and there's
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  Speaker 6: a bank holiday in Stratum in London, so there's there's
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  Speaker 6: loads of kids around here who would just go to
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  Speaker 6: see anything just to talk. So I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 6: manum screwed. This is gonna be a horrible experience. And
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  Speaker 6: although it was, it wasn't because of the audience. There
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  Speaker 6: was no one there, and I thought, Wow, this film
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  Speaker 6: got the audience it deserved. It was absolutely atrocious. But
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  Speaker 6: I feel bad hating it because you know, I kind
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  Speaker 6: of want to be a little bit more supportive of
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  Speaker 6: films that I love and kind of think that I'm
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  Speaker 6: lucky to have Star Wars movies. And I remember thinking
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  Speaker 6: when I was a kid, and there wasn't that much
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  Speaker 6: of a gap between them, how like starved I felt
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  Speaker 6: of Star Wars content. I never went to the Expanded
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  Speaker 6: Universe for any for anything, I never really interested me.
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  Speaker 6: It was the films I was interested in. And yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and all I had was two We Walk movies, which
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  Speaker 6: at the time I loved, Like, but yeah, that's that's me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I completely understand.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 4: After the Last Jedi, I I am done with those
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars movies.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care anymore, I'd be grudgingly. Okay, so let
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  Speaker 5: mean just to give you a question of the past
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  Speaker 5: three Star Wars films. Okay, yeah, the Force Awakens, the Last.
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  Speaker 4: Jedi and wherever the hell are you?
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  Speaker 5: No, the other one was called I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 5: That's how much I care. They all felt like the
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  Speaker 5: same movie. I had no clue what the hell was
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  Speaker 5: going on, and I'm just like, Okay, well it's over now.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't even know what this was supposed to do.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, is this supposed to set something up? No,
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  Speaker 5: because that didn't feel like that. Was this supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be a self contained movie? Not didn't feel like that either.
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  Speaker 5: What the hell is going on?
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  Speaker 6: See?
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  Speaker 5: My whole thing was I I the whole thing was
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  Speaker 5: sup snook snooky.
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  Speaker 6: So I gotta I absolutely loved the Lost Jedi. That
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  Speaker 6: was the one I loved the rest of them. I
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  Speaker 6: was like, all right, so that that was the one
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  Speaker 6: I loved. Yes, with this crazy setsby street name mister
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  Speaker 6: snow Glophagus, and I was like, what the fuck's he called?
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  Speaker 6: Don't they know only that names like mister Bostond or
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  Speaker 6: something some something that's definitely evil. But snow cuts like, Oh,
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  Speaker 6: he's gonna teach you how to say the letter F.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 5: He actually was a cool character because okay, he can
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  Speaker 5: control he can read people's minds, Okay, now you got
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  Speaker 5: a really, really tough villain here, and he was defeated
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  Speaker 5: so easily, and I go, well, that that's there, there,
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  Speaker 5: there goes.
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  Speaker 4: That was so anti climactic.
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  Speaker 6: Oh I I honestly, it was the complete opposite. I
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  Speaker 6: think this is the disparity between Star Wars movies. I
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  Speaker 6: think in the one, particularly with this one, it seems
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  Speaker 6: to really be pulling people in different directions. I was like,
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  Speaker 6: I was watching it, going, okay, Emperor, shit, we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: see him in the next one, and then I suppose
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  Speaker 6: he'll probably get killed before Kyler Ren is like I'm
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  Speaker 6: sorry I killed my dad, you know, or some ship
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  Speaker 6: like that, And instead I got this scene that wiped
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  Speaker 6: him out in the way that I thoroughly was like, fuck, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: this is awesome, and now I have a character. I
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  Speaker 6: have no idea where Kylo Ren is going in the
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  Speaker 6: next film, so I'm really interested now, I'm really, I'm really,
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm in I want to know what they're
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  Speaker 6: doing with him. He's not evil enough to want to
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  Speaker 6: be killed. He's not a good guy by any stretch
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  Speaker 6: of the imagination. He's a really interesting, conflicted character. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know what the story he's going to do with him.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm kind of curious. I'm in a position where
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  Speaker 6: I don't really know what's going to happen with this character,
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  Speaker 6: and he is the most compelling character in the movies,
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  Speaker 6: and so I'm kind of in I'm on board, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm curious to see what Jaja Abrams can do when
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  Speaker 6: he ends something for a change, because he normally starts stuff,
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  Speaker 6: which is why all this stuff has these mysteries that
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't give a fuck about and there's no plan
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  Speaker 6: to end them. Now he has to, and I'm kind
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  Speaker 6: of curious to see what he's going to do with it.
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  Speaker 6: To be honest, but I don't. I mean I don't.
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  Speaker 6: I don't love it enough to I mean, I love
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  Speaker 6: it a lot, but I don't. You know, I'm fascinated
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  Speaker 6: with the debates. I love listening to them. I love
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  Speaker 6: looking on YouTube and seeing all the angry, angry ates.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, this is really interesting, and I love
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  Speaker 6: how Chris mcquarie, although he's got nothing to do with it,
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  Speaker 6: I'm Ryan Johnson sort of like dealing with it on Twitter,
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  Speaker 6: like this is fascinating. It's just amazing to watch. It's
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  Speaker 6: like I love trashy TV, and it's like trashy TV.
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  Speaker 6: It's these these bickering yago and stuff like, oh this
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  Speaker 6: is amazing. It's just a movie. It's okay if you
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  Speaker 6: didn't like it. I thought Rogue One was fine, and
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  Speaker 6: I kind of know the guy who made it. It
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  Speaker 6: was like, it's you know, it's it's Rogue one, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it is boring as fuck, but it was. It was
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  Speaker 6: you know, the end battle was great. I know one
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  Speaker 6: of the X Wing pilots, you know, the one who
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  Speaker 6: could act, you know, So it was. It was fine.
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  Speaker 6: It was a it was a decent it was it
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  Speaker 6: was an experience. They're all an experience. I just think
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  Speaker 6: that with Solo, I was by myself and so bored.
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  Speaker 6: I was so bored. I was just sitting in there,
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  Speaker 6: going I could text my girlfriend right now and I'm
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  Speaker 6: not gonna be irritating any in the cinema. But the
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  Speaker 6: downside is if she replies and I get into a
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  Speaker 6: conversation with her, and so this film suddenly gets interesting
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  Speaker 6: for about twenty minutes, I'm fucked. So I was a
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  Speaker 6: very good boy. I behaved myself. I watched the film,
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  Speaker 6: and I was I was just so bored. Oh God,
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  Speaker 6: that robot, that fucking robot was the worst things. Worse
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  Speaker 6: than Jaja Binks, much worse. Did you see it? Sorry,
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  Speaker 6: I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, I haven't seen it yet because after the
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  Speaker 5: last Jedi, I'm officially just I'm I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: say I'm protesting new Star Wars movies. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 5: going out of my way out to watch them.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just say.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying, like, you know, just
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  Speaker 6: download it without any money going back. Although I think
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  Speaker 6: they've learned a lesson of some sort. I don't really
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  Speaker 6: know what that lesson is. Maybe don't make movies about
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  Speaker 6: characters and no one gives a shit about It's like
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  Speaker 6: the hand Solo is such a non character in Style Wars.
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  Speaker 6: I like, I think Harris Support was cool as fucking
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  Speaker 6: I love Hands Solo in those movies. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: as an adult Washington in The Jedi, he contributes literally
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  Speaker 6: nothing to that story. Like, he doesn't do anything. He
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  Speaker 6: just stands there and pull's dirty faces and doesn't do anything.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm just like, I'm really kind of as an
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  Speaker 6: adult of watching it going, It's amazing how everything sort
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  Speaker 6: of switched around. For me as a kid wa washing
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  Speaker 6: it in the Jedi, the stuff with the Emperor and
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  Speaker 6: dar Fader was always the boring bits. As an adult,
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  Speaker 6: the stuff with Darfader and the Emperor and Luke Is
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  Speaker 6: are the best bits, and there aren't enough of those
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  Speaker 6: moments in that film for me. So it's it's it's
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  Speaker 6: it's nice to see a film that's grown. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Harrison Phone's a characters, nothing there. He doesn't even have
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  Speaker 6: a theme. The fucking Millennium Falcon has a theme. Hans
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  Speaker 6: Solo doesn't have a theme in a movie. There's the
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  Speaker 6: score that's peppered with lamotiefs is. There's not even a
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  Speaker 6: theme for Hans Solo. It's fucking so they made a
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  Speaker 6: movie out of it, but it's like ship, they didn't
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  Speaker 6: even come up with one for that. It's just it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was, it was. It was not a film I
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  Speaker 6: liked much. I wouldn't recommend it, but also yeah, definitely
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  Speaker 6: watch it to have a good old because there's plenty
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  Speaker 6: in there to hate and it definitely makes for a
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  Speaker 6: more fun conversation. But yeah, there's a robot in it
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  Speaker 6: that's worse than jar Jar Binks like, I actually quite
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  Speaker 6: I'd never hated jar jabinks, you know, I thought I
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  Speaker 6: thought it was ship as he was at least he
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  Speaker 6: had a really cool like at the end in the
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  Speaker 6: end battle in Phantom Menace. I kind of thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he works, he's making me laugh, he's tripping over droids
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  Speaker 6: and accidentally killing things. That's fine. I'm alright with this.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the rest that yeah, this this
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  Speaker 6: this droid, this this droid clearly played by another part
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  Speaker 6: British actress who's never heard the fucking word droid before.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean, it's like, it's it's weird.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to keep picking actors who don't give
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  Speaker 6: a shit about the thing they're in when there's a
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  Speaker 6: legacy of actors who chose to be actors because of
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  Speaker 6: stars you could find you would love to do. It
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  Speaker 6: would bring a lot to that character. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: You know what makes perfect sense?
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  Speaker 6: Oh? Weird?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the word droid, I know, it's it's a it's
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  Speaker 4: an interesting word.
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  Speaker 6: So well, it turns out that Luke Skywalker is something
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  Speaker 6: of a slave owner now because that's how they paint
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  Speaker 6: the picture of droids in Solo, and I was like,
• 10:42
  Speaker 6: oh shit, that's weird. They want to go on this road.
• 10:48
  Speaker 6: It's you know, it's like oh yeah, I mean yeah,
• 10:55
  Speaker 6: like those those Artity too and all those guys get
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  Speaker 6: a little bit shiit on. But you know it's because
• 11:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I've had to think about it now.
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  Speaker 6: I've had to think, fuck, what is this Like it's
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  Speaker 6: it's maybe that Luke and and no one understood that
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  Speaker 6: these things feel even though they yell and scream when
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  Speaker 6: they panic and they express fear and you know, so
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  Speaker 6: you might get a lightsaber. Then I have a light saber.
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  Speaker 6: Fucking bottle of men. Yeah. I think I clearly have
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  Speaker 6: a love for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know we we the last the the original, three, four, five,
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  Speaker 5: and six are just you know, I think they're universally loved.
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  Speaker 5: I actually one, two, and three, I mean they're not
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: They're not perfect, Uh, they you know, at.
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  Speaker 4: Least there was some love. I think George Lucas actually
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  Speaker 4: liked to put some love into them. He did like
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: making them. And you could tell even though they were
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: they were you know, some.
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  Speaker 5: Moments were like what the hell is going on here,
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: and you could tell there were some moments that made
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: no sense, like for instance, in the in The Phantom Menace,
• 11:53
  Speaker 5: when young Anakin jumps into that uh into that fighter
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: pilot sorry, and then into that fighter fighter plane and
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: there is the perfect size helmet just for him, And
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wait a minute, why would there be a
• 12:04
  Speaker 5: children's size helmet in a in a plane met for
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: grown men or clones or what have you, so or
• 12:11
  Speaker 5: or robots where the hell they were using?
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  Speaker 6: So then what I've always loved things like that is
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  Speaker 6: that like those are accidents, like someone would have had
• 12:21
  Speaker 6: to have designed that, And I think George is like, yeah, no,
• 12:23
  Speaker 6: they'll never get it. It's not like I always love
• 12:26
  Speaker 6: those things, those those moments, and I always saw to
• 12:28
  Speaker 6: do that. I throw a lot those moments in myself
• 12:31
  Speaker 6: and say right to see if we can get away
• 12:32
  Speaker 6: with this and if you But I think it's kind
• 12:34
  Speaker 6: of gone a weird way where if people spot things
• 12:36
  Speaker 6: they resent them. They're like, you try to trick me,
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: some of a bitch. It's like, no, no, no, it is
• 12:41
  Speaker 6: meant to be a part of the fun and games.
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: Come on, guys. But I like the prequels. I don't
• 12:46
  Speaker 6: hate them. I'd like I could see what the problems
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: are obviously, but I kind of, you know, I think,
• 12:50
  Speaker 6: like James Camera says something really interesting where he felt
• 12:53
  Speaker 6: that those films took big steps. They took risks, and
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: they they they were huge steps, and you know, collectively,
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  Speaker 6: in many ways they failed, but in other ways they were.
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  Speaker 6: You know that you've got to I'd rather have a
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  Speaker 6: film that take risks like that instead of The Force Awakens,
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  Speaker 6: which I thoroughly enjoy the first two thirds of, but
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  Speaker 6: then it just becomes a bit of a nostalgia thing.
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  Speaker 6: With with with Hand Solo and Princess Leah. I'm like, look,
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  Speaker 6: none of these people want to be here, Like like,
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  Speaker 6: I had a happily ever after with these characters that
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: I knew it was going to be destroyed by making
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  Speaker 6: a sequel. You know, at least George Zucas was smart
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  Speaker 6: enough to go, you know what, you go back, there's
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  Speaker 6: a happily ever after that we're not going to come
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  Speaker 6: back to this, So we'll go to a prequel and
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  Speaker 6: we'll we'll go to where this all started and see
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  Speaker 6: if we can tell a darker story. And I was like, Okay,
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: you can't. You can't fault that, like that understanding of
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: the story that's told up to a point. And yeah,
• 13:44
  Speaker 6: and I think that. Like, so the second hand Solo
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  Speaker 6: comes back, I'm like, well, my happily ever end, happily
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  Speaker 6: ever after ending is gone, so everyone's hatred and what
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  Speaker 6: Luke Hauld become. I'm like, well, what the fuck do
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  Speaker 6: you expect? Like the hand Solo wasn't hand Solo in
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  Speaker 6: The Force Awakens by any stretch of badger. He was
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  Speaker 6: more Indiana Jones in the last one that nobody liked that.
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  Speaker 6: He was hand Solo in Force Awakens, which everyone seemed
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  Speaker 6: to love. So ka, well, I think you know this
• 14:08
  Speaker 6: is not necessarily the characters aren't going to be the characters.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to be sort of like the actors playing
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  Speaker 6: different versions of the characters. It's you know, it happens.
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  Speaker 6: I guess it's uh. I've accepted it, and I'm in
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  Speaker 6: a good place now. So however, this next film is
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  Speaker 6: I'll be excited for it, it'll come out, I'll be
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  Speaker 6: underwhelmed or I love it. I don't know. We'll see,
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  Speaker 6: but you know i'd like to see more, you know,
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I just wonder what directionly, I just want
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: them to be special, you know, I won't want to
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: you that doesn't seem to be working very well.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I think for the next one, whatever that is.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: I heard that they're just going to go right to
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: vod with it no theater, which which honestly is probably
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: a good idea for.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: Them right now with all these movies.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: That I mentioned last time on my idea for one,
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: I got to spin off one right Sigala, this is
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: gonna be fucking Max Rebel band right start and jabbers passed.
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: They survived that explosion. They're like, fuck this, Max, fuck you,
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: I'm out of here. They'll say, you know, glebe off
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: or whatever, you know, alien language, so they're essentially saying
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: fuck you you blue elephant cunt. But they'll say it
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: in a in a in a you know, in in
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: the in their own alien language. So we can have
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: in the kids film and then it's and then they'll
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: split up, right, and then Max will be asked by
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: the Emperor like I've got this plan. I'm going to
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: destroy the fucking rebels on end or it's going to
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: be amazing. I want a big party afterwards. So Max
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: Rebel Bands asked to reform. It's like The Blues Brothers
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: where he's going around trying to get the band to reform.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: They reform, they go on the Death Star ship starts
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: going down. It's about them trying to get off the
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: Death Star during the Battle of end Or and they
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: they end up thinking they booked a really cool gig
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: and they're the cunts end up playing yob nab. There
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: you go. That's that's it. That's going to be the story.
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: Low stakes, high octane, Max Rebel Bands, Blues Brothers, the
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: Blue Brother will call him because he's you know, blue elf.
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: And I suppose there you go, that's my Max Weebos story.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: That's why I pitch How long do you think I'll
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: kick you out of the room really quick or something?
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: No, No, they I think they'll green light that.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: At this point.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: I think they're they might give you a you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: like a mill maybe two mill range.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Make make a gritty independent.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Film, you know, on on along the lines of The
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Blues Brothers and you got it man, And in fact,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: you know what they're gonna say, keep all that language
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: in there.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I think, so it's gonna be completely different.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: It'll be so foul like the sexiest Star Wars movie.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: Have ather be like in the in the Jabbaz scene,
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: will put all these little references to the to the
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: to the special editions where like that blue fuzzy thing
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: starts singing and then someone's like, who was this? Hay?
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: It was his ass? So it was was he always here?
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: He always in the band? Since when did this singer
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: get so much dexterity? She used to be a little
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: potato on til't pics. So she's running around, going up
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: the cameras and blowing her and so that what the
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: fuck what that's going on in here? We used to
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: be a band. God damn it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: If you pitch this to Kathleen Kennedy, I think she's
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: gonna say, here's what happened. Okay, she'd say, everyone can
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: can you leave the room and just leave Mark and
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: I to our by ourselves, And everyone's gonna everyone's gonna go,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: oh shit.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: So they're all gonna get.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Up and slink out of the room, and she and
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: they close the door right and she looks at you
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and she says, Mark, I'm glad that finally somebody has
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: had the balls to come in here and tell me
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: what it's really like. And she's like, I love this thing.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: We're gonna give you that the the X millions to
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: make this, and she goes, it's gonna be Star Wars
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: for a whole new generation. It's gonna be a punch
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: to the gut and if anyone doesn't like it, they
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: can fuck off.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: I'll say this all. We're gonna put a Christmas tree
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: in it, right, that makes it Christmas. We've gonnas every
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: fucking Christmas is on. I'll have of lifetimes with the residuals.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: It's gonna be great. It's gonna be perfect. I've got
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: my Star Wars sequel plan, and any of that ship
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: will translate to a movel movie either as well. So
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: if they want me to make stilt Man, I'm like, yep,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: got it. Here's my idea. Still Man has a band boom.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: It'll take off soon. Be fine. I'm sorry, buddy, I'm waffling.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: I should, I should, I should? I should let you
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: I'm already sucking you away from your Fourth of July
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: celebrations too much, So I'll be good and stay on target.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Well, all I'm gonna do is work. So the other
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: thing there is.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: No full July celebrations for me. Today, I way way
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: too much work to get done. But I'm gonna workaholic.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I'm one of those guys, Mark that will be on
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: my deathbed just wishing I worked more. Be like I
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: wish I had worked just that one extra hour and
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: then I and then I'll finally just throw my body
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: in trash. But but but you know, it was great
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: talking about their Star Wars movies. I can just imagine
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: you at the bar or the pub later on that night,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: and you're sitting and your tune all your friends. You're like, listen,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: they actually bought that pitch. Now now you're like, I
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: don't know what else to do.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Now I have to actually make this thing. Don't worry,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: don't worry. We got you covered. And then it's uh
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and then it's just you know, it can become a hit.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It could be just speaking just be the new Star
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Wars type, you know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Take somebody from the background and make them the start
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: of the next film.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Exactly. It's gonna go on like that. That's so they
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: all worked out. It's fine, man, Yes.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: So so cool.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Mark.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: You know it's been a while since I mean, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep rolling with this if you're happy
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of course, of course, yeah, because I mean, honestly,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I think this is hilarious so far. So you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: the last time we talked, I mean, you made Colin
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: which was which was this? You made it for seventy
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: five pounds, right, I was.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: I think seventy dollars was the line, and then forty
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: five pounds was the UK line. There was a some
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: conversion that went on there, and yeah, so that was
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: but to be honest, that was just that was if
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: it cost that. I mean, it was a whole movie
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: made given a time when I was living on on overdraft.
• 20:00
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• 20:08
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• 20:12
  Speaker 6: You know, much younger and more had more ingenuity, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: so we just sort of made that movie without spending
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: any money really, and because it was a zombie movie,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: the nature of the zombie movie allowed us to incorporate
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: anything we could find and say, isn't this a cool weapon,
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: brilliant let's use that. So it it just evolved really
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: and the improvisational nature of how I like to make
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: things anyway kind of carried forward. And yeah, and then
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: we just sort of made that movie and yeah, it
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: somehow got released, which is still crazy to me.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I remember talking to people about that movie.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I was at a networking party and I said, man,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: you you know, I just read about the zombie film
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: called Colin and it was made for you know, like
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: forty five pounds, fifty pounds, and you know, it's.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Getting rave reviews. And I'm thinking to myself, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: what could they have done?
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: And when I finally was able to see it, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: was like, you know what, this was fantastic.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that because you're on the
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: podcast Mark. I was like, you know what.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: And so there's two zombie films of the past ten
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: years that are worth anything, and one is Colin.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what the other one is. Do
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: you want to take a guess?
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I want to say Zombie Land because that was great.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: I love that. Oh, but I imagine it's probably something cooler,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: but I should So.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: It's the movie called The Battery.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Oh shit, I don't know that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: So Colin and The Battery two zombie films, and the
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: only zombie films of the past like ten years, maybe
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: even since the remake of Daughn of the Dead that
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: are actually worth anything.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I did not like zombie Land too.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Much, by the way. Ah cool, Hey I'm looking at
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: the battery. No, oh shit, man, okay, that looks pretty sweet.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Right there we go. That's on the list. That's the feature.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: Isn't that? You can like this? How this could go?
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Know how? I didn't play this. I didn't say, oh yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: the Barry and then you just hear the sort of
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: typing of the keyboard. I was like, I was honest,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: oh yeah, the battery. The personalities are too former trivia
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: all the Cancusa shad the synopsis. I read the crop version,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: but oh no, this looks great. I think I wonder
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: if Good Bad Flicks covered this. Actually, do you know
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: there's a there's a YouTube Channe called good Bad Flicks.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I'm really into a great guy. He's got this a
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: back catalog of really obscure movies that he always sort
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: of showcases. And although it's called good bad Flicks, he's
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: not like he doesn't present them as oh it's so bad,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: they're good. He just says I love this film because
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: and he and it's it's nice to see such in depth,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: you know, not pretending they're anything other than the films
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: they are, but honest sort of reviews of of these
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: really interesting movies that this. You know, the guy who
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: runs it, I think his name is Cecil, just loves
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: you know. Their films are personal that you grew up watching,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: and some of them are ones that I caught as well.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: So is this great? I highly recommend the channel if
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: you don't, if you haven't subscribed already.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: It's I'll put that on the link in the show notes.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I haven't actually checked out that channel, but I definitely
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: will because I'm glad to clarify that too, by the way,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: because sometimes when I see channel names, you know, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: kind of go, well, you know, I could take this
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: a number of different ways, because you know, language is imperfect,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: and English, as we both know, has so much slang
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: in it that sometimes like when I say bed, then
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: does that mean good?
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: You know, it's yeah, yeah, well that's the point. Actually,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: Like I think, were you rolling when I was slinging
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: very insensitive swear with their ownes. I apologize. I'm going
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: to try and hold back on some of the sea woods.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: But you know, my best friends are Copey and an
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: irishmand so you know, it's like saying shit to me. No,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: it's it's not the Axacon. Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Oh I see, yeah, I see yeah, I mean honestly,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: the podcast is uncensored, you know. And I mean and
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: and the British are known for their sense of humor.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: In fact, you know, let me let me just forphrase
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: that the entire United Kingdom should be is more known
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: for their their sense of humor.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: Yes, of course, yes as well. British is good because
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: I guess I fall into that. You know that we're
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: we're you know, we couldn't make the escape that you
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: guys could. Let you're celebrating today, know, the Welsh were
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: we're all we're all under the English. I mean, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: believe we tried, and then we're just like, hey, look guys,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: it's just you know what, what's the divide really? And
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: then I think we all just got along. Although we
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: have our own government now, it's we're still part of okay,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: So it's uh.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, the scott the Scottish, the Northern Irelands,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the North, the Northern Ireland, Northern Irish and you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the Welsh and the British, you know, all known for
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: the sense of humor.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: So it's a it's all good.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: So so I think people would understand. But are you
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: impressed that I actually knew what the UK was?
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Well I would have been, but you told me this
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: morning that your mother was well, so now I expect
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: you to know everything, okay about about how the UK
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: is ALTI.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Fight, Well, it was my grandmother. She she's actually Welsh.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: I was a grandmother. Sorry sorry, ye, she actually came.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: She actually came over, you know, directly.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: She you know, she came over when I don't know
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: how old she was, but yeah, she she uh came
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: over directly from from Wales and came over and uh,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: you know, started a whole life here. And uh if
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: you ever saw me by the way, I you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: people ask me what my genetic makeup is and when
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I tell them like no, it's no, don't don't even
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: try it because I'm actually like.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Fifteen percent Cherokee Indian Cheroke' Native American. But I don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: look like it at all.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I look, I look I look exactly like you do,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: you know, like some some just a ginger Welsh guy.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You know it's well know that you're ginger, but.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: have a nephew who is. It's uh shit, this makes
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: me look like a terrible I think he is. I mean,
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: he looks ginger, looks it looks ginger. And I generally
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: cast my eye over the other end of the room
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, what's that noise? Oh yeah, you're there. Okay,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: you know, here's some matches playing with those. You know
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: your uncle's awesome? Is he rummy somewhere? I don't know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: it's yeah, Sorry, this isn't This is only funny to me.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: This is not funny to anyone. No one knows who
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: haven't related to. This is a terrible angle to try
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: and get a laugh.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's hilarious.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Gingers don't have souls, so you can't give them matches
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: because you know, they're like Godlin knows what they're gonna
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: get into.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Exactly one way to fight out. Like I keep saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: when I get really really sick, like terminal sick, these
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: are the guys that are gonna have to be pumping
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: me full of heroin on my last few days. Just
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: it doesn't you know, itch or whatever cancer does? You know?
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: So I was wrong with it. It's like this is
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: how I'm choosing to face the death. You know, may
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: creeper on the corner at any point to laugh at
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: the face of death.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: You have to mark.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: And also they could have like you know, great new
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: designer drugs, and you're gonna be like, no, no, no, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: want the heroin.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Just give it to me.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's the future diseases. I'm gonna die
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: from the ones in the zombies like that would suck
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: man to have some semblance of consciousness as I'm running
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: around like snarling and spewing blood all over some you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: attractive young fucking person who survives this sort of shit.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: You know, I've got zombie written all over me, like
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: in a in a post apocalypse. I'm I'm fucked. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: can't got I can contribute nothing, Like I'm gonna have
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: to align myself with the strongest and try and do
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: something to try and make sure that I'm not too lowly.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: But like I said that on raids to fight mutants
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: in the desert, which I'm not used to deserts, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: but I imagine the desert is gonna be everywhere because
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: that's how apocalypses work, and I'll be stuck. Yeah, I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: not a hero in a zombie movie. I'm definitely a
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: zombie and a shit one too, And I was just
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: such a throwaway ill. I'm not even a memorable kill.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not a scow driving in the ear or anything
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: like that. I'm just a sort of like band killed dead,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: moving on, you know, gots.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like when the Horde of Zombies comes in
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: one of those movies and you've gotten the hero has
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: like a gatling gun and just goes you're one of
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: those guys, and just like, for a split second, think
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I think that was Mark. I can't tell, all right,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: moving on.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Everyone's looking at my digital arm that got blown off,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: you know, That's what everyone's looking at. And he's even
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: looking at me. I don't even have good makeup, Like
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: I don't have season fucking eight whatever seasons we're on
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Walking Dead level makeup. I've got like season two ran
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: out of money, only two or three complicated ones. The
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: rest of them just dude shambling makeup. That's what I'll have. Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I had a friend of mine who just shot a
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: zombie film and he had that he had the tears.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: So he said, if you're in the foreground. You're in
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: a zombie and you get the most makeup. If you're
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: a B zombie you get like somewhat good makeup, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: then if you're a C zombie, he said, somebody just
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: comes by and throws blood on you and they call
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: it a day.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: We had a similar system on Colin and anything else
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: of them with zombies, where we have gold zombies, which
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: now means they get some prosthetic work. We have silver zombies,
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: which are your standard, like you know, heavy late x stuff,
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Bronze zombies which are just like the one you described.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Then we have leads zombies, which is just someone further back,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: nothing on them, just shambling and making a shape for
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: their body so like. And then I never necessarily even
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: keep them in the right order, so they're mixed up
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: all over the place, so it's just a mess, which
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: you might have seen in the clip I sent. Actually
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: that was the last zombie thing we did, which is
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: the film within a film for night Shooters, which I
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: thought would be a really fun way to open the movie,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: and so we do. We open with a big violent
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: zombie action sequests.
• 29:57
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• 30:03
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• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I was gonna ask about that because
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I was saying to myself, you know, I know what
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: the synopsis of the film is, and I was like, wow,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe something happens, but it's good you mentioned that,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and so so let's let's start talking about you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: before we talk about night Shooters.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Actually, let's just finish that thought about Colin.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: When you actually released Colin, you know that did that
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: open any more doors for you? Do you just like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: you know, inundated with like different people approaching you about
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: projects and such.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think a lot of works of
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: happened after that, and then I think from that point,
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: I think I was a little bit nervous to quit
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: the day job really, so I sort of excited, really lovely,
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: uh sort of like late at night evening job where
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: it was just me and one other guy and we
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: were running this little courier company. And then there are
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: car service as well, like a prestige car service. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I was in the office there. So that's when I
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: was sort of just doing everything really, and it was
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I was just a little bit nervous to leave because
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: that was a lovely job and everyone there was really
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: supportive and really, you know, I was able to just
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: do whatever I wanted to do, provided you know, I
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: answer the phones when they rank and yeah. So but
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: when I eventually did sort of leave, that was the
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: scariestart because that's essentially going freelance. And yeah, and but
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: from then there was always some work. It's just it
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: took a lot of getting used to that. That work
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: isn't always there, so you have to do sometimes go
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a period where there isn't much,
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: but that's when you are able to live off the
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: last job you did. There's also a little bits of
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: work there. Really, but I tended to do a lot
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: more stuff that was in development, and I was really content.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, none of it got made, and I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: after a boat, I think after three years, I started going,
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: oh Jesus, I should probably make something, because you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: you got to sort of try and keep the fires burning,
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: if that makes any sense. And so that was the
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: thing that I was always I started to get a
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: little bit worried about. And then yeah, we just started
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: making things. So I made a budget film called Magpie
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: and then and I mean that did okay, it did fine.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: We got the US release for that a very small release,
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: but a very nice release. And after that, I got
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: stuck into another film, which I'm not we won't talk
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: about because I got five from that movie and I
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: don't want to give them any unwet any undo press attention.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: But uh, I got kicked up that movie and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: whist I was running around trying to get another one made,
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: which turned out to be Night Shooters. Yeah, it's just
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: there was always working between. So there was commercial work
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: and you know, little pilots here and there that was
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: asked to direct. So's there's always it's been it's been work,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: but it's you know, it's a scary bit of work.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: It's not it's not sort of work that way to
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: go oh great, I can relax. Now, it's so work
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: that we to go, oh god, I help, there's something
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: after this. I'm gonna make rent next month. So things
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: like that really so.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: So the I mean, I know, we you don't want
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: to mention that the movie title. But what happens though, well,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I just you know, just out of my own curiosity,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: h And also you know, just as a learning experience.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I mean when whenever you get fired from something like that,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: You know two things.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, did you I don't want to say, well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: did they give you a reason as to.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Why they were why they were letting you go?
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, it was it was. It was definitely a
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: politics thing. So so to talk around it whilst talking
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: about it because it's you know, it's gossip and it's fun,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: isn't it. So what happened was I was, uh, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: was asked to I agreed to edit the film. My
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: fee was very very low, and I said, look, I'll
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: just do this and and if you pay me that fee,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: i'll edit it. I'm that's sposed to edit it. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: you know, I was given a good amount of time
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: to edit it, but you know, when I got it
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: done and and but you know, we need a lot
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: of pickups. There are a lot of things that the
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: production company failed to come through on that we asked
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: for that was of minimum requirements. So you're making a
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: film without some of those things. And you know, I'm
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: not the sort of person that complains. So I don't
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: even really know if they were that aware of how
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: much of a problem that was. It didn't really come up.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: But they were fine with you shooting pickups which is
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: where we're going to make up for some of that stuff.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: So it was all fine, but I think that I
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: didn't voice for my fee to edit because I was
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: very careful about, you know, not taking work so I
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: can concentrate on that. And I said, look, I need
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: to invoice for this now. And although it wasn't part
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: of the agreement, you know, the comeback was, oh, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: we pay you when you finish the film, and I said, well, no,
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: that was an agreement. The agreement was this, okay, fine,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: well we'll pay you no if, and then there were
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: a bunch of new terms that were conditioned of that payment,
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: and I said, well, I'm not going to agree to
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: any new terms as condition of payment for the work
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: they've already done. But I'm happy to have these conversations,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: but they have to be a separate conversation because there
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: were things I think they were left out of the contract.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I only think a delivery date was in a contract,
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: for example, and it was something they wanted in, which
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: is fair enough, but I just wasn't going to have that
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: uncondition of something. And also their little things, like I
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: think the visual effects company had not given me anything
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: the some department had not given me anything, and I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: not responsible for those departments. So if the film isn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: delivered because those departments were pretty unresponsive, well I'm kind
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: of like, well, hang on, I'm I'm in trouble then,
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: and I don't really so I'm not going to sign
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: anything that means I'm responsible for that when that's not
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: even my company. So yeah, so I so that was
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: my reason. I said, look, these new terms, I'm not
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: gonna I'm not gonna agree to anything as a condition
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: of payment. Well, I'm happy to discuss it in another way.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: And the response was there will be no discussion. Services
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: no longer required. I thought, oh, surely that's surely they
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: don't mean that because it's going to cost them a
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: lot of money to finish this film though, because you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: the pickups weren't going to cost anything. And but no,
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: that that that's stuck, and I was like, oh interesting,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: and so so I just sort of I just thought, shit,
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: I need to get another film made, mainly just because
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: you know, I put a lot of I put a
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: lot of heart and soul into that film. I got
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: a great cast together, we made some really nice stuff.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: I think some of the best directing have done is
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: in that film, and uh and and I just kind
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: of felt like, shit, I needed I need to make
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: something else. So it was in a bit of a
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: mad panic to get Night Shooters done. And so Night
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Shooters so that landed at the same time as this
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Western Fistful Lead, and so I spoke to my producer,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: who is amazing. I said, I think I think we
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: can do these. I think I can do both of these.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: I can. We'll do this one and then I'll be
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: deep in posts than that and then we'll start shooting
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: the other one and then it'll all be fine. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: it has been fine. I finished Night Shooters this week.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: We're just gonna sort of find out where we're going
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: to get the DCP made for it, and then that's it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: I saw take it over and say here, you go
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: make a movie with this, and we're done. And then
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: I spend the next few weeks now finishing up Fist
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: Full of Lead, and then I get that to the
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: colorist and the we're working on the sound and we're
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: gonna get the visual effects done. Yeah, it should, it
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: should all come together quite nicely. So by the end
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: of this month, I should have two features under my belt,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: which is fun. It's tiring, but it's fun.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: So you know, I was gonna say, either you're not
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: sleeping or or you're either like a raging alcoholic at
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: this point, Mark, so it's.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Like one of the other ship. I'm drinking cider right now.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: It's not ten am here, incidentally, but you know that. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: but yeah, you know from alcoholic. Yeah, but it does
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: seem very appealing. But yeah, it's it's it's just been
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: very busy. But uh, I mean. The interesting thing about
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: when you do in a film as quickly as doing
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: that she is, is you look at that and I
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: haven't had time to watch the film as a whole,
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: so I'm so busy working all the minushit, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: and and all the little teeny bits and the connective
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: tissue and all those things come together. And I think
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I saw it for the first time from the beginning
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: to end a couple of weeks ago, and it was,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: it was, it was. It was a really fun experience
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: for me because you know, you know, coming back to
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: the alcoholism and then made sure i'd had a couple
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: of beers first, and and I was I was watching
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: with my girlfriend who worked on the film. She's sort
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: of the atmospherics and a special effects department, and uh,
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: I just really enjoyed the film we made. I was like, oh, Jesus,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: I thought I hated this, you know, because you do,
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: you fall out of love with these things. You see
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: all the holes, and then to see it flow like that,
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: I was. I was surprised at how how everything seemed
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: to slot into place in the way that you hope
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: and you work towards. And and we watched it again
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: on Sunday because I had what was close to the
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: final cell Michs, so I had some friends around to
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: watch it, and it was great watching their reactions to it,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: because you see their faces screw up at the right moments,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: and then they laugh at the right moments, and and
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: and it's just really nice just to see them re
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: acting exactly how you hope people will react when those
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: moments occur. And from a filmmaking perspective, I mean, that's
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: all I can do. That's all I can do is
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: make the audience react a certain way at a certain moment,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: and then after that, whether they liked it or not,
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: that's beyond my control. There's nothing I can do about that,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: So I I you know, but but if I can
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: at least make them in that moment go or yes
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: or haha, you know, there's there's there's something. So that's
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: all I can really work to on. So that's all
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: I really concentrated us. So it's really nice to see
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: there is a small room, just a few people to
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: see that that reaction. It was lovely.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what you're always hoping for. Because somebody
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: once said, there's there's two ways you want someone to.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Like to take your movie. Either they love it or
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: they hate.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: It, because the worst thing you can do is they're
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: just completely benign to the whole thing.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: And he said that that's the worst spot to be in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: No matter what.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: You know, what I've speaking, I was speaking to another filmmaker.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Will be right.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
• 40:06
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• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Because what we do on our films, and we have
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: a lot of young people work on them. I think
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: it's really important to get young people working on films
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: because I mean, I coming from Swansea, I didn't really
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: feel that there was they weren't man, they were lovely
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: people in Swansea. You did encourage me, but there were
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: a lot of people who the general reaction was, what
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: what do you want to do that for? Why do
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: you get a real job and work really hard and
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: get up early and then go to bed early and
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: lift the weekend and then have a family? Why why
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: don't you just why do you want to do this
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: ambitious thing. You're considered a little bit strange for wanting
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: something it's a little bit different to the norm, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: you know, not to knock any of those things. I
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: kind of think, you know, like raising a family is
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: a very admirable thing because it's something you know that
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: that I'm not doing, you know, but I see my
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: brother doing it. It's incredible and I know that my parents,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: you know, I was part of that and it was fun.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: So you know, it's it's just this really, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: it's it's it's it's something I admire. But I've chosen
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: the more selfish life of of making films, and you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: so that's a it's a really interesting thing back in
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Swansea where I kind of find that there wasn't much
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: support for making films, and so I think it's really
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: important when there's young filmmakers to say, look, it's worth
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: exploring to its fullest before you move on from this.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: So we always, you know, as part of work experience,
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: we get a lot of young people working on the
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: film and we give them proper roles. They're not making
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: tea or coffee for us. Their their script supervising, or
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: their camera assistance and first first acs as well. They're not,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: you know, a runner for the camera department. So it's
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: we do a lot for those guys. And yeah, I
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: think that it's it's you know, to me, that's one
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: of the most important aspects of making these movies. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: I've always is making sure that the people who are
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: working for you feel like they're part of the film,
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: because what happens then is that everyone throws in and
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: you end up with a Really it's like it's like
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: a community where everyone wants the film to work. Everyone's
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: all on the same team. It's like, I I love
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: that that feeling of making a film. I think I've
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: gone on a tangent you and I forgot where it
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: was going with it. But uh sorry, d.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: No, no, you know, it's all It's all good, Mark,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: believe me, I know what you mean.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Man, I actually do both.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: I I actually work the day job, like I was
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: telling you before, and I, you know, I get up
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: every day at four am, regardless, I get up a
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: four am. I got a four am today, and I
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: was off today just so I could try to get
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: some extra work. I get working before I go to work,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: and then while I'm at the you know, and then
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: I come home and I start doing the other work again,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: trying to trying to keep the ends both ends burning at.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: The same time.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I but the whole family thing, I don't
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: know how people do it when you add that equation
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: in there. I couldn't even fathom how some people do it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: because that's bringing it at a three ends.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: Then Oh, it's amazing, Like I think I know what
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: tied is. Working on these movies my brothers. He's like, Oh,
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: you don't know what tired is. You actually have two kids.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: I was like, okay, Like and I felt, you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: I see a really happy family and it's amazing. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: was like, oh, well, this is you know, it's it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: it's exciting. I's just think that, like, you know, me
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: and my brother have gone in different directions in terms
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: of what we're trying to get out of life. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: find what my brother's doing far more admirable than what
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: I'm doing. I'm you know, like I said, I'm playing
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: I play games. That's my job. My job is to
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: play games in a way where people look at that
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: and instead of going are you been old to play games?
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: They look at that and go, oh man, that's cool.
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: You make movies. And it's like, oh yeah, okay, I
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: don't know. That wasn't never the plan. I was just like,
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: I just want to do this. It seems like fun,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: and I enjoy doing it, and I want to be better,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: and you learn and you grow and all those things
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: so come together.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, And you know, I wanted to
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: talk more about Night Shooters too, So could you just
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: give a brief synopsis of the film.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: The film's about a group of low budget filmmakers who
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: are shooting pickups. They've broken into a building that turns
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: out that it's rigged for demolition. So they've snuck in
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: and the director, well, the term is the term is
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: gas lighting. Now the director kind of gaslights a bunch
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: of his crew. We're just working in a building this
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: rigged for demolition, and whilst working on their movie shooting
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: their pickups. They see they witness a murder in the
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: building opposite. The murder is being committed by a gangster
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: who owns the demolition company that's leveling the buildings. The
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: idea is you killed people in the buildings, the buildings
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: collapse on them and the bodies are buried, and oh
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: there were people in here is the is the idea.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: So they have to use their filmmaking skills as weapons
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: to survive. The constant onslaught from gangsters who're trying to
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: eradicate any witnesses, make sure they're dead, and then leave
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: them in the buildings to get demolished. So, yeah, it's
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: a it's fun. The stunk. The stunt guy's a martial artists.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: The special effects lady takes the plastic explosi from the
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: rigged building to create more dangerous explosives using her squibs.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: The sound guy is leaving radio mics everywhere so we
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: can hear when the bad guys are coming. The cinematographer
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: knows the layout of the buildings perfectly because she is
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: kind of studied them for all the best angles. Yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: little things like that. Sort of a fun concept that's
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: as much of a love letter to filmmaking as it
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: is films themselves, and even in the sound design, we
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: were able to throw in a couple of familiar sound
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: effects that people might clock and go, ah, the world
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: they live in now has these sound effects from films,
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: not the Wilhelm screen, though we didn't do that one.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: The Wilhelm screen.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: That's like a staple, that's like a stiple of so
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: many movies.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: In fact, I think it was in the Layers, should
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I It better have been the thing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: It's in all the Star Wars movies. It should be.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: It's in all of the lucasfilm movies. I think it's
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: in Willow a couple of times. It's in all the
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Indiana Joe's movies. It's yeah, it's uh, it's it's one
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: I've always loved. That used to terrify mem as a
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: kid because it sounded so anguished and pained, but as
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: an adult, it's it's the funniest thing ever.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's always something.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: It always makes me laugh whenever I hear And I
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: know it's in a lot of Tarantino films too. But
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna link that into the show notes everybody. For
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: anyone who doesn't know what the Wilhelm scream is. But uh,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: but but for for night shooters. You know, how did
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: you go about you're putting this all together? I mean,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: you know, did you have to did you go with
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: the team to sort of find an abandoned building that
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: you could actually shoot in or even semi abandoned or
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: what hell when that was actually fully operational?
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: You know, so how did you go back it? He'll
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: started to put all this together.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: We actually found a building that was due to be
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: demolished in after a week of shooting, so we said, yeah,
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: we'll take it, and my amazing producer worked really really
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: hard to try and convince them to let us stay there.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Because the building doesn't just get destroyed, it gets you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: there's a degree of tidying up, electronics come out, all
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: that sort of thing, and that's when that's why and
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: that you know, so there's about there's about two weeks
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: worth of that that would have happened before we would
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: have needed to get out of there. So we were
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: trying to sort of talk ourselves and talk our way
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: into it, which she did actually and we managed to
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: get the full three weeks there. And the only problem
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: we have on the last day it snowed, so we
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: had to shoot some stuff in January, but yeah, it
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: was It was great because the building was going to
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: be demolished. I was like, can I just trash this place?
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: And they went, yeah, your signed something it says we're
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: not responsible if someone hurts themselves. You can do whatever
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: you want. And we're like, wait, great, So yeah, we
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: we wrecked the place. There was one room we shot
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: in and then we thought, look, this is a good room.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: The lights are here, let's smash down this wall. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: now it's suddenly put the cameras over here, and now
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: it's suddenly a new set. Right. They were like, yeah, great.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: So we spent like ten minutes throwing ourselves into walls
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: to try and tear the place apart, and it worked
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: quite well. It was a good way to get some
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: frustration out of our systems. It's about week There was
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: day five. I think at that point we're like, it's
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: that we were shooting actual nights. I remember saying revand I,
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: it'll be great. We'll just adjust and then we'll be
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: fine and we'll shoot. And I think on night three
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: I turned to this the special effects department, who are
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: also my girlfriend and then just said, fucked up. Fucked
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: up so bad. This is really hard. I don't know
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: what the fuck I'm gonna do this for another two
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: and a half weeks. But we did and it was fine.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: Of course I couldn't say that to anyone else because
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: that would have been poor leadership. But my god, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: remember working nice to as in my early twenties and thought, yeah,
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: you just get used to it. It's fine. Oh man,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: it's different when you're nearly forty. It's a much different experience.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: So I mean, did you find that some part? I mean,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: you know, really do you? Does anybody ever ever really
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: get used to those long days?
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: I've kind of gotten used to them in a way,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: but sometimes when you're on set for you fourteen sixteen,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: eighteen hours, you're like, you know, I thought i'd be
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: to this by now if they're doing it for five
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: ten years, But it's like, you know what I mean,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: it just kind of never never really sinks, you know
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: what I mean?
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the thing is from from where I am,
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: because you're always fighting a schedule that's really difficult. The
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: days always seem quite short. From my perspective. I was like,
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: we never seemed to have enough time and only when
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: life is like that do you go ah, And so
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: the knights would fly by pretty quickly. For me, I
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: think there's only one day and this is when we switched,
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: and because on Saturdays, because it was a part of
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: a complex, a business complex, so we had to shoot
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: at night just for the noise readly and because you know,
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: to block out the windows on some of these buildings
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: was a huge ordeal. So we would just shoot at night.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: We could just move around and go to whatever we
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: wanted at any point, and we didn't have to spend
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: forty minutes each setup blocking out lights. So it was
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: it was, it was just it did make sense to
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: shoot at night. It wasn't just for the sake of it.
• 49:54
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• 49:58
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• 50:05
  Speaker 6: But yeah, it was on Saturday. On this we had
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: two Saturdays where we worked during the days or they
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: were later days. And one of those was the hardest.
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: I was. I think I just didn't get much sleep
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: the sort of day before, so I yeah, I think
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: I said to my producer and my script supervisor said, guys,
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: I need you guys to drive time today. Because I can't.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: I am just so tired. I'm going to concentrate on
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: what I'm doing and I'll make sure that works, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: then we're going to move on to the next thing.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: I don't really want to think about time or any
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: of those things. So you guys come to me and
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: tell me that we need to get a move on.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: Otherwise I'm just gonna assume we're fine and just keep going.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: And that day worked really well. It was fine. I
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: kind of got through that one. Slept very quickly when
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: I got home. But that was a that was the
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: hardest one. That was the hardest day because there was
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: a day. Ironically, if it was another night, I think
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: it would have been fine.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: But but you know, it's in those moments, man, that's
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: when you need to have that team, you know what
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, like you kind of you know what I mean,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Like that, that's when the team can actually come together, and
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: that's when you're like, man, I'm glad I've always been
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: you know, try to be a good guy whoever, because
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: now I'm just going to gall on these on the team.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: A lot right now and not you know what I mean.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: And it's those times where you were like, thank God,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: I wasn't a freaking tyrant.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe you were, Mark.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: Maybe it might have been like, ah, he's all right
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: except for this making us work nights. Shit. But they
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: were like these guys, they actually they were amazing. They
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: were all really great for me. I One of the
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: things I tend to notice is that I mean, I
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: I don't think I get you know, there's always a
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: moment where pressure and time and all those things so compress,
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: and what you end up with is what I end
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: up with is more of an mergency to get things done.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: So I think, whereas my normal approach is to be
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: kind of like very excited and happy and you know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: like a basically, when it comes to those moments, I
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: tend to get more I think focused, So I tend
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: to sometimes I'll just sometimes it doesn't get a cross
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: as like I'm having a good time, and I think
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: that when those moments do crop up, I notice that
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: everyone really really everyone really works anyway. But I do
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: notice a change in that everyone works to try to
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: get me excited again, if that makes any sense. And
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: the way I've always interpreted that is that I'm obviously
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: doing something where they like me being happy and enjoying
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: what we're getting, Like I think that there's something there
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: and then what they're trying to do is get that back.
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: I think that's just how I've interpreted it because and
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: that feels to me, that feels lovely, that feels like
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: I've got a group of people who aren't just helping
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: me make a film or to tell a story, but
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: you know, they want me to enjoy myself with some
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: doing it. And like I said, a lot of these
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: guys are really young, some of them are more experienced,
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: and it's just really great when that group of people
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: come together because they see that I'm frustrated or disappointed
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: because something isn't working, and they find a way to
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: make it work or they're offering solutions. I mean, if
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: you think about it like this, if I was like
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: a complete, like vicious asshole during a shoot, like a
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: young person isn't going to make a suggestion to me
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: that can save the day. They're going to think, oh,
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: he's a bit grubby, and it's not. I don't want
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: to really, I don't want him snapping at me, so
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: they keep quiet. But they don't like you. When I'm
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: stuck for a problem, I've got people throwing ideas at me,
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: and it's like, that's great, that's what I need. I
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: need solutions to problems, not you know, a bunch of
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: people scared to speak up because I'm having a tantrum
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: and because I'm in a building where I can actually
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: literally smash a wall. I'm not smashing a wall, you know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: which psychologically isn't healthy by the way, if you do
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: take out your rage by breaking things or damage and things,
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: but you do as you condition yourself. So needs to
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: do that whenever you're in a moment of heighten stress,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: and that's not healthy. I don't know. I've read that
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: a while ago. I'm not sure if that's true anymore.
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like with psychological uh theory, it's always changing.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: And but I did hear that. But well, nevertheless, it's
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: a very unpleasant thing to see, so so I so
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: I don't do it. But but yeah, it's really lovely
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: that I think every sort of comes comes through, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: you know, everythink we had a really great team on
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: this one. We had a really good cast. Everything was
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: like exceeded the expectations so much, and you know, it
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: was it was a tough shoot, but I think what
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: we've got is a fun film that that you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: seems to make sense and and the action is really
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: good fun, and the characters are great. I really love
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: I love tonal shifts, so there's lots of those in
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: the movie. So yeah, it's it's it's yeah, it's it's
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: a weird one. It's the kind of one of the
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: first times I've talked about it. Uh, it's weird because
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: I've been making it for so long and be but
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: been interacting with a part of that or that people
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: have been sending clips to all along who have read
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: the script, and this is the fiste I kind of
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: spoken about it, so without anyone having that favorite reference
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: of context. So I hope it's making sense. If it's not,
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: you just get me let me know.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: And and I, uh, with with your permission work.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna post a link to the trailer if it's
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: up yet, or maybe it is still. If it's not
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: up yet, I just soa it's a frame of reference.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: So people aren't like.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll give you a still because this is gonna
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: oh this is an awkward one. There is a trailer, but
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: I I it's yeah, it's it's Oh god. Uh this
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: happens all the time, right, Directors not like trailers they
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: see for their films, Like, surely that happens all the time.
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: I've heard it discussed a lot of times. I don't
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: think the trailer represents the film very well. You know.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: It's interesting because you know, I'm being as diplomatic as
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: I can do. The guys who make this, I'm obviously
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: want the film to do really well, and they care
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: a lot about the film, the guys who have sort
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: of been financing it, but also so they're distributing it,
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: and they know their audience, they know the audience they
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: want to capture, and that's fine. I can understand that
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: and get behind it. But and I know they worked
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: hard on the trailer to achieve what they want to achieve.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: It's just that it's it's just I'm just is not
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: one that I'm particularly keen on. I don't think. I
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: think it under sells the film criminally. And yeah, and
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: I have really made any secret about it. I mean,
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: I wasn't really involved in the in the construction of
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: the trailer at all. And even from a technical perspective,
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: the way I shot that film to specifically be graded,
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: no one asked me about that either. But this is
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: the difference from the film that I guess I was
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: kicked off and this film is that for this film,
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: we made sure that all the things are in place
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: so that it was like we own the film and
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: we're given it two distributors, so it's our film to make. Really,
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: it's just been financed. So that's kind of where it is. Really. Yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: I'm trying not to be a dick because you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: I think these guys, these guys help me make a film.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: You know, it's I've got nothing but like appreciation for
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: what they've done. It's just that I I do also,
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: you know, have an idea of how the thing should
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: be marketed and and then their idea of how should
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: be marketed in mine are very very different. And that
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: that's all. It's just it's just a it's basically, it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: a it's a it's a it's a pull in two
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: different directions. It's it's there's there's there's nothing but sort
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: of support and love for the film. And you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: I think these guys, you know, I'll be forever in
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: debt with them because I've been able to make a
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: film that just really close to my heart and really
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: personal out of it. I just want people to see it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: You know. That's where the marketing comes in.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that that that's the big thing nowadays is you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: how how do you actual get people to see your movie?
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: You know, things have gotten you know, I don't want
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: to say easier, but let's just say more accessible to filmmakers.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: And you know, now it's like, well, we've made the thing,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: now how do we people to see the thing?
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: And you know is a vod is a theater? Do
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: we slap it on YouTube and call it a day?
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: You know, And that's where this distribution, you know, that's
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: why it's so important now more than ever. And the
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: movie has to be able to stand out. The marketing
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: has to be able to stand out because I mean,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: now it's I think things have gotten. It's it's more
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: like you have to market instead of trying to do
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: it like the old days. We have to market to
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: everybody and say okay, and then the chips will fall
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: what they may. Now you have to market specifically to
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: that group of people who are going to see it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: And that's where all this big data comes in. That's
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: where the changing paradigms of social media come in, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: then you know, and then you can you know, basically
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: now you can either create that market for yourself or
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: you can pay to have access to that market.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But that's the thing it's about, you
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: know it, it's it's I mean, the thing with the
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: marketing is, you know, there are elements in the film
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: and like, you know, you you you staw call it.
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: I should have said you linked for Mike PI. Really,
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: Mike is probably the best example of what some this
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: stuff can be. Like that I make where I really
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: play with tone, not to a point where it's incongruous,
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: like you're not laughing at a scene you shouldn't be
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: laughing at, or you're not forced to laugh when you've
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: just had a terrible time, or the other way around.
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: It's tonal shifts. It's what Hitchcopter does perfectly, did perfectly.
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: It's what Spielberg does perfectly. And you know, it's that
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: idea of taking all your songs and so what happens
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: is when you sell a film or distribute it as
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: a film, they find an angle in there that they
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: find most appealing that they then think will help sell
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: the film. So, you know, action being a great one.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: It's not an action film. We've got a lot of
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: action in it, but it's you know, it's a character ensemble. Really,
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: the action is a small part of the film. I
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: think if people went into this expectant to see the raid,
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: they'd be pretty piste off because you know, the raid
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: is forty minutes of awesome fighting.
• 59:55
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• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: We really don't have that long that much, So it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: it's about some like I think from my perspective as
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  Speaker 6: an audience, I'm always thinking about measuring expectations. I default
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  Speaker 6: to what the marketing team do for for fist full
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: of Led, for example, Sony know exactly how they want
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: to market that. And you know, this isn't one of
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  Speaker 6: their big budget films. This is one of This is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: a completely different thing to Ghostbusters, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 6: So it's not you know, we're not going to fall
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: into the same traps that Ghostbusters fell into. They've said
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: to me, would you like to cut a trailer? And
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: I said absolutely, love too, and they said, okay, we
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: go one request. Can you make it longer than you'd
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: normally make a trailer, so we have all of what
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: you think are the best trailer moments and then we'll
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: whittle it down. I was like, well, that's that sounds great. Yeah,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: of course I'll do that. So, you know, I kind
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: of like they've got a very like directed driven approach
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: to how the film can get out there, which we
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: did on Colin and it worked really well for Colin.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I was, I was, you know, very specific
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  Speaker 6: about what I think we should market the film towards,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: and so, you know, it helped help the sales. So
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: you know, I think that's how I feel with that,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: you is, is I just I want to I want
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: the film to be seen for what it's going to be,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, like, you know, I'd like to send
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: you the trailer that I cut for the film, because
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm proud of it. I love watching people
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: watch it. It's uh, but I think what we're gonna do
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  Speaker 6: is because I think it's fair that I don't interfere
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  Speaker 6: with the marketing that they've put money into. You know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: I think we should. I think I should leave it
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: do its thing, and then when the film's released, then
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: we're in a different territory, then we can sort of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: then we can release the trailer, although I guess I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: don't know. I suppose maybe I could put because because
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: you're the US, this is a UK distributor. The US
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: is a completely different market, and we haven't sold the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: film to the US yet. I'm sure I could give
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: you my trailer and say, well, here's my trailer. You
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: know it's and I think regionally speaking, no one can do.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't think it's a problem. I'd have
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: to check, like, what's the harm gonna be if someone
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: from the UK sees our trailer and go, wow, that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: looks amazing. You know, what's the problem? You know? But
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: it'd be great if we could. Hey, it's great. You
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: can tell by just scrolling down right now. If it's there,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: it was fine. If it's not, it wasn't. We're in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: the past right now, Dave. Everyone listened to this is
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: in the future exactly. I know.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: We would think we're in the present, but we're not.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: We're actually you know, it's it's amazing. I will after
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: we're done with this interview, I'm gonna I'll look at
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: it and and I'll give you I'll tell you my thoughts.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I'll give you the thumbs up and say, hey, you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: know what I think. I'm gonna post this everywhere now
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: work and be like, distributors be damned, but so but
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: you know, when when I'm.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: Gonna be clear with it them, they mean, well, that's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: the thing. It's not they're not they're not like, they're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: not bad people. They mean, well, they want the film
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: to succeed. It's just that they have their very specific
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: ideas in the same way as my specific ideas. It
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: doesn't make me right. My trailer could suck. But you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: I you know this. This is the push and poll
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: And that's the thing with the creative industries that you're
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: always talking about. I always try to break it down
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: to tech technicalities. I don't look at it as like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: on an emotional basis, say emotionally, I like this, Emotionally
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: I don't like this. I look at it and I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: break it down technically. I say, right, what is this achieving?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: Is this story point clear? Is this story point clear?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: Here's a joke? Is that you're established well enough early
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: in the trailer for it to work at this point
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: in the trailer. If the answer is no, well, we
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: might have a problem. So what I try to do
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: with my trailers they try to make sure that all
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: those components are in place so that we're telling a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: story and we have that emotional weight to it so
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: people do watch it and laugh, people are thrilled. That's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: that's what you're trying to do. And it's the same
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: thing as making a film. You know, I was trusted
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: with the money to make film and tell that story.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: Why not trust me to do the mini version of that?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: You know, because I'm not exactly the director who says
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: you can't put this and it'll spoil it, I say,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: fuck it, spoil the whole thing. The audience may never
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: this is the thing that most people are going to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: see this trailer, so you have to do it in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: a way that gets them in. And if the film's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: good enough, they will forget all of these little clips
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: because these clips out of context don't mean anything. It's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: just flashbang and cool. But in the context of the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: story of the film, people will forget that they know
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: what's coming and they'll just enjoy it, Like do you
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: remember Return to the King? Because I love the Lord
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: of the Rings movies. In Return to the King. There
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: was an amazing end to the trailer with the you know,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: the Felby sort of comes in and roars a gandal
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: from the horse, and I had I think someone pointed
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: out that that wasn't in the film, and I went, oh, shit, yeah,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: that isn't in the film. I was so into the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: movie that I forgot that the coolest part of that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: trailer wasn't in the film, and I didn't even think
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: to ask where it was. I mean, I just loved
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: the film that much, So that's it. You can do
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: what you want. The trailer. It's fine, it's you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: it's uh yeah. I started to think of bad trailers
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: and they give the whole thing away that terminut a
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: Genesis trailer.
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  Speaker 5: Whether yeah, I remember the poster gave that away too.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: I actually have an idea for a movie. Every trailer
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: a movie trailer, and it's just called bait and switch.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: Like literally, it's gonna be a trailer for a movie
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: that doesn't exist, which features scenes from from a movie.
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  Speaker 4: That if you were to go to it, it doesn't
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: exist either.
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  Speaker 5: So what I mean by that is it's like, imagine
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: a trailer that showcases a movie that nothing has nothing
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: to do with the movie they're trying to even sell.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: It's just random random like scenes and stuff from others
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: from you know what I mean, that are all just
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: made up. So if you went to see that movie,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: if it actually existed, it would it wouldn't none of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: that would be in there.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: Anyway. That's great, that's stuff I said that they should do,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: Like I was up to doing a it's called Groundhog
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: Day sequel. But but what you do is you just
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: release Groundhog Day. You just change the title card. You
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: just say, oh, this is groundoug Date. But you change
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: the title card and you just release Groundhog Date and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: people will go get it. That's great. We've got to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: see Growdug Day in the cinema and then there'll be
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: other people that go, god, damn, I hated this. This
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: is terrible. So you know, the the Ryan Johnson approach
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: can rage as much as you endear.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: So you know, just I know, we were talking for
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: about an hour, you know, Mark, it just been closing.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask about Fist Full of Lead.
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  Speaker 5: You know, how on how did you you come across,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: you know, that opportunity to make that film, you know,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: with with with you know, because I don't know if I'm
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: how much we're allowed to say, but you know, how
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: did you get the opportunity to to sort of start
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: making this film? And you know, because that'll be that'll
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: be the second film that you're going to have released by.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: The end of this month.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll have a finished there in the month. I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: think it's coming out in December, because I think that's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: the difference between I shot, is that I'll finish it
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: and that the thing is going to be released in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: the UK virtually straight away, but the sony want to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: spend more time like building up the marketing and then
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: looking at what they can they can do to really
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: push it. So even though our release is far away,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: our deadline is is roughly the same. But what happened
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: there was we were looking for money for Night Shooters
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: and we were speaking to an investor that there's a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: filmmaker he's absolutely incredb he's worth looking at. He's a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: Welsh Roger Corman. And I met him through an interview
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: guy called Andrew Jones, and I met him during this interview,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: and in this interview he was talking about how he'd
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: you know, he took the IP for and I either
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: Living Dead made a film called like Living Dead Requiem
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: and he was the first time and mate, he said, look,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: the film's not that great, but you know, I just
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: love making movies. So I made this movie. And he
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: made this one night Living Dead Requiem because he knew
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: that that would sell. And then he did an amateur
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Ville one and he knew that would sell. And he
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: started doing all these really smart choices and he started
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: building up investors. And the guy makes something like six
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: movies a year and they all sell, and Sony us,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: I think I've released all of them. And I was
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: just in awe of this guy's ability to his business. Marbel.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: It's like like a very low Blumhouse, right, So I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: said to him, I said, you know, I asked him.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: I said, like, I'm looking for money to do night Shoes.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: And he put me in touch with his investors, and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: his investors we got along with very well. It's a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: very generous thing for a filmmaking to do, by the way,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: to put you in touch with the investors. It's not
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: a it's not a dune thing. You know, directors don't
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: even ask. It's kind of it's terrible. It's like asking
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: to sleep with a family member. It's it's it's it's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: wrong you worked to get those investors. You shouldn't, you know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: you shouldn't. You shouldn't really get involved. You shouldn't say, oh,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: can I have some of your pie, because that's money
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: off his table, it's money away from his films. But
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: he was very generously of So my producer spoke to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: these guys and they were trying to get money for
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: night shooters, and it was a bit of a song like, Oh,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: if it could be this, we could do it. If
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: it could be this, we could do it. But then,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: you know, another company sort of stepped in and said, oh,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: we'd like to make my shooters. And so we thought, oh,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: there's a dilemma. Do we keep working on so that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: these guys can make it, or do we just say
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: yes to these these other guys who were offering a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: very good deal, make night shows with them, and then
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: just stay in touch with the other investor. The other
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: investor said, if you got someone willing to put money in,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: definitely do it. Don't worry about that. However, if you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: are able to, we'd love you to make this this
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: western and and so I just said fuck it. Yeah,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: let's do it. If we can shoot at this date,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: we'll be we'll be able to do both. Michelle park
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: And my producer, said, you sure, that's a lot of work.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: I said, it's a lot of work for me. I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: think I can do it. Do you think you could
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: do it? She went, and she said, I don't think
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: this is entirely true, but she said, oh, it's less
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: work for me, it's more work for you because you've
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: got now two feature films to shoot direct right and
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: needed and not in that order. And so she so
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: I thought, and now let's do it and and yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: So that's how that one sort of fell together. But
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: it's really interesting because we're able to look at what
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: we did in Light Shooters, which was very ambitious, and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: then we looked at the planning that we could sort
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: of put into Fist full of Lead and.
• 1:09:58
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• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: Comparatively, maybe it's because we were shot for nights for
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: three weeks. When we shot Fist full of Lead in
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: two weeks, that was somehow the goddamn easiest film shoot
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: I've ever done in my entire life. It was a breeze.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: There were two hard days on it, and that was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: just because we were dealing with weather a lot, because
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: it was a huge snow storm the UK and we
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: shot it and that just meant that our film looked
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: amazing because it looked very expensive because we had huge
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: expanses of land with snow, which you don't get very
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: often in the UK. So when you see it in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: films like Django or The Hateful Eight, there's a quality
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: to having it set a West and set in snow.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: And although I didn't initially want that because I thought that
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: was Tarantino territory, when I saw it, I was like, oh,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: this is great. We've also got a spray blood in this.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: This looks it looks amazing. So so yeah, we to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: sort of shot that and we did them back to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: back and it was It's really interesting. It's really interesting
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: working with both companies on films that have similar budgets
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: just because it's it's it's it's interesting to see how
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: the two different investors managed it. Really And I think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: for Michelle, who's I think these are the first we
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: produced a lot. She's produced a lot of television before,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: so she's very familiar with what I can do and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: what I need and and and when to tell me. No.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: I think that these were like our first two feature
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: films together, and uh yeah, and I think I've the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: collaboration has been incredible. It's amazing. I think, if anything,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: Michelle is as much as psychologist for me as she
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: is a producer. And she keeps me very well protected
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: from things that like, you, we're not gonna be very
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: good at dealing with this, So you go over there,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: you leave it to me, and I'll do this. And
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm happy to get involved a conversation. Don't
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: don't I'll get She's like, no, no, no, I don't want
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: you there. Funk off over there, behave yourself. So yeah,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: she keeps me a check. She's excellent. She's she's she
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: she's the only person I think who can say don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: do that. And I'm like, okay, fine, you know she's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: And it's not from it's not from any any any
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: sort of it doesn't come from any position of authority
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: or ending. It's all to do with just like absolute
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: respect like I've got. I've got so much respect for
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: her and how we work together, and that it is
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: and it's so rare to find a producer. You can
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: have this sort of relationship with that, like when she
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: asks for something, I'm like, okay, fine, Like she can
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: give me notes and is one of four people on
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: the planet who can give me notes. And I don't
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: know what you know because you know this is this
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: is this is the horrendous ego of of a of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: a writer director. It's there.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: But that's when you be That's when you become mister
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: bastard like were talking about earlier.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: Is that really?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: And he's like, God, damn that Mark. He is a bastard.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: But yeah, but with Michell's he's like, this doesn't make
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: any sense. Can you you should fix that? I'm like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: all right, it's like a little child's like you're rubbing
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: his heels of the floor, kicking the dirty A fine,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: I'll do it now. Then you know it's great, It's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: it's I It's like, I'm really excited. Of course, we're
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: about to produce another film for someone. We're just waiting
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: for all the everything falling blind and when it all
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: falls in blank and then we have ourselves a budget
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: and we can do the Roger Corman thing of of
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: getting a filmmaker their first feature, which I'm really excited
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: about because as a producer pans off, I'm there if
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: they want me. If you get stuck, I've got a camera,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: I'll go shoot see and I shoot second unit and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: do whatever you want, or stay here and just eat
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: the catering and and write the next one that I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: want to make. You know, I'm like, I'm not really
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: interested in telling people how to make films, like the ideas.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: We go to filmmakers who make films themselves and and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: it's like, right, you use your team, you make your
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: film your way, and you know, if this one all
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: comes again, I'm not allowed to talk about it yet,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: which is weakly rubbish. I'll tell you on Facebook, but
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: like it's it's one of those things where it's we
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: we just you know it. I'm really excited at what
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: this directors pulled together with his resources. He's an infinitely
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: better director than I am. You know, if he was
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: my friend, it'd be a really bitter jealous person. But yeah,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: it's uh yeah, it's it's, it's, it's it's I'm really
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: quite excited about what we're doing with that exercise. So
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: that would be if that all works out as three
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: films in a year, so we're written and directed two
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: of them, although I did co write fist of all
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: led Phil Das really as a writer friend. He stood
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: up and really helped us out there. And then this
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: third film would be when I'm just producing, and if
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: all goes well, we might have another action film in November,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: which I'm really hoping we do because I was meant
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: to be doing something else, but I think that's going
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: to be pushed back, so I'm gonna try. So it'd
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: be kind of in my head of like, oh, three
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: films in a year, that'd be nice. I don't think
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be able to do this for the rest
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: of my life, so I may as well do it
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: whilst I have the useful exuberance.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta hit, We gotta get the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: momentum going. That's what I found when I stopped for
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: a while. Honestly, Mark, it's so hard to get back,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: and actually that's why I'm starting. I'm gonna get back
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: on the horse next month and I'm gonna shoot the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: first thing I've shot.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: In probably five years, four years.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah you don't you said this last time we spoke, well,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: what happened there? What happened there? You said you can
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: do that. We spoke about it a year and a
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: half ago. Maybe I think no idea I have.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what we were talking about that
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: point you said.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: Start making films again. I'm guessing. I'm guessing you didn't.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: My my Facebook's talking didn't reveal anything, So, like, I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: don't know you you should totally do it, dude, it's it.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: I know it's I know it's tough, but like i'd
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: always recommend making a film, even if you made a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: bad one, you're a better filmmaker having made that bad one.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: So you know, so if you keep making bad ones,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: three bad films later, you're three times a better filmmaker,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So it's it's it's worth doing.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: Even if you're just making a short with two people
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: sat around the table talking about a goldfish. You know,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: it's it's something, so I'd recommend it. But you know,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: it's you know, if you if you need any moral sport, dude,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: I'm here, I'm always here, just coming. Oh happily, I'll
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: happily talk you into it. So I love doing well well.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: I don't know what I was planning on doing at
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: that point. It could have been one of two things.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: But what I'm doing with this one is I'm sort
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: of taking the reins of more things myself, like I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: like I used to do, where it was basically, you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: I was wearing many hats. But the upside to it
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: was I knew what was getting done and what wasn't, truthfully,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: you know, and I've gotten you know, since I I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: don't want to maybe a couple of years ago, before
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: I even started doing this podcast, I would get offers
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: all the time, and it would be like these ridiculous offers, Like,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: for instance, I got offered to be a part of
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: this website, which was pretty big at the time. At
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: the time, they were actually ready to partner with a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: nerdist and then all of a sudden they were like, oh,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: but you have to pay for everything.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: And we're not going to pay for this. You're just
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: at the exposure.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, Okay, well I can maybe make something
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: out of this. And I'm thinking to myself, as it
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: worth it, and then I'm like, you know what, So
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: I emailed the guy back and I just told him
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: my concerns never got back to me whatsoever.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, what, what what what if
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: I had actually done this?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: What if I actually actually went through spent thousands or
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: hundreds of dollars or whatever making something and then he
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: just never got back.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: To me anyway? And I'm what then?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, so with this, what I'm gonna do is
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: next month. I've already started to sit down. I storyboarded
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: the whole thing out. I have somebody building an animatic
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: right now. I've actually telling people in the podcast, I've
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: been saying, if you want to help me, shoot me
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: a freaking email.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: But yeah, how's it going? Is it going good? What feedback?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: The feedback part is that people willing to throw the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: hat in the ring and enjoy in. Yeah.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: I actually have had a few people who have emailed,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: who have emailed me, and you know, we I've been
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: talking with them. I've had a few people email me
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: and basically they're trying to see what they what I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: can do for them, which is kind of meaning that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: they're like, hey, what's going on with this?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: Well, Hey, can you help me with my project?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: No, it's not I'm clearly not in a position right
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: now for you, for for me to do that, so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's you know, a lot of I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: think I know what I was I was going to do.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: I think I was going to do something similar to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do now when I mentioned it to
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: you about a year and a half though, I think
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: I was going to do a trailer just to get
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: some eyeballs on some stuff. And then I remember then
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: then things kind of went south for a number of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: different reasons. But I'm making a fake trailer, so it's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: and so that this is going to be fun. In fact,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: you Luis, let me tell you the stuff when I'm
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: done off for you.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, do it do it too, because
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, I I think that there's a lot of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: people who who adopt the attitude of, oh, you shouldn't
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: do it. The time is not right, And I'm just like, look,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: the time never feel was right. You know, whenever someone
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: says here's here's the money you asked for to make
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: a film of this budget that you wrote specifically for
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: this budget we're shooting in a month, when that day
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: shows up, I'm still like, shit, was the script good
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: enough to do? Share like you constantly feel unprepared, no
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: matter how prepared you are, so just embrace it and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: roll with it and make make a shitty movie or
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: make a great movie. Just make a movie, just like
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: you know you you all you can do is do
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: the best you can do at that particular moment in time.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: And and sometimes we screw it up and we have
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: to get a pickup of a hand picking things up.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: Or sometimes you get it right and we got the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: whole thing, the single shot. You know, it's it's I'm
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: I would encourage constantly to make just make movies.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 1:20:00
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that is the uh you know when
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: people say, you know, it's got to be the right time,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: and I'm guilty of that too. You're right, it's ever
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: gonna be the right time. And you know what, I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: found that particularly true by the way it's been writing
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: a screenplay. I think sometimes people think that they have
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: to have everything known before they start writing. And I'm like,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: you know what, I I the people that I all
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: know who are the most successful screenwriters have all said,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: you know that we don't really know everything before we start,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: because you know, there's a lot of downside to that end.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: Not only that, but really it's kind of hard to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: actually grasp a screenplay because usually you get an idea
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: and then you go, okay, well, now I know the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: whole story about what this is, and then you start
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: writing it, and then you hit a bunch of dead
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: ends or brick walls or obstacles whatever, and you're like,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: oh shit, now what do you I?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Well, now what do I do?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna start over again, and then you perpetually
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: never ever finish anything.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: So that's another thing to watch out for, is those
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: lot of obstacles.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: And see, that's why this podcast exists, Mark, So we
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: got guys who are actually out there doing it like
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: yourself and coming back here and you know, it's like,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just a chatnel. Laugh.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: Remember you ever see the TV show extras?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love extras.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: So so remember the second season when uh, maybe it's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: the first season, but anyways, remembering Ricky your friends, that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: guy on that Samuel Jackson yea set and he's a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: big guy and he's like, oh I found the joker
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: of the pack.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: He's like, it's just a chattel. Laugh. That's what this is.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: It's a chat and a laugh.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know, let's just bring it all the way
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: back to Star Wars, to the Fantom Menace. That guy
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: plays he's a Welsh actor for my mate snow him.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: That guy plays the general of jo Jo Binks's army. Used,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: that's that guy. There you go. We brought a full circle. Dude.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: Well, there you go. I don't think there's anything we
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: have to talk about. I think we have.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: We're officially just just you know, solved all the problems
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: the universe and we've exposed the crack of the matrix.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: And also we had a very mature conversation about the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: last Jedi, considering you hated it and I absolutely loved
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: We had a very mature conversation about it. There was
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: no name calling or you know, you didn't call me
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: like a cock, and I didn't call you a sexist.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: It was great. It was great, although although in the
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: UK a good insult is a cock. You cock, as
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: you know, so I would have assumed you meant that
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: if you would have gone down that road, which of
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: course you wouldn't. You're a decent human being.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk sharing you later
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: on now I'm up. I have this friend of mine,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: he's au Bastard. In fact, his name is mister Bastard.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: He absolutely he actually liked the last Jedi. What a wreckage?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Oh no, no me, You'll be like, I think someone
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: in America is talking about me right now, And I'm like, oh,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: come on, Mark, who's talking about you in America right now?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: Oh God, the stems of my snowflake of melting, I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: can tell. Yeah, but it's a very tuer conversation that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: we did. We did good.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: So before we go and work, where can people find
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: you out online?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: I am on Twitter. I'm at at Mark Underscore, the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: Underscore Price. I'm sorry. I was early to Twitter and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: I didn't really do anything with it, so I have
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: one of those annoying underscore names. I'm also the same
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: handle on Instagram as well, where I'm posting a lot
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: pictures about the films that we're doing as well, So
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: there's a lot. There's a lot on their Instagram. I'm
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: very active on on Instagram, but I think at Twitter
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: I'm working on I'm working on not leaving Twitter. My
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: Twitter is all I do is retweet shit that makes
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: me laugh. So my Twitter feed is just Star Wars
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: and you know, shit like that.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: It's well, I'm gonna link to all that in the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: show notes. Everybody.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: You can see all the things that make Mark laugh,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: and you can see me tweet about god knows what.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna start using my other personal Twitter more because
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: I kind of abandoned it more to just to the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: podcast Twitter because it was getting a lot more feedback,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: you know, and I was kind of like, well, what
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: the hell is the point of you know, using this one.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: So and I have one of the and I was
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: an early adopter of Twitter, and I late, and I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: was very late, and I still I'm sorry. I was
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: late in changing my name though, and I had to
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: get Dave underscore bullets and I'm like, mother, god damn it.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: And because a guy who has Dave bullets, yeah, actually
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: blocked me because so many people were tweeting at him.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: And I said, listen, let's just switch user names.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: And I said, I'll make it worth your while too,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: I'll slip you like twenty twenty twenty bucks whatever, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: he and he blocked me. He actually blocked me, and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, there you go. So because people
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: were tweeting at him and he's like, I'm not that
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: Dave Bullis. It's this guy here, and I'm like, dude,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: just switch with me.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: For god's sakes, there's a there's a politician. John Fabreau
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: spelled the same. The first thing he's got under it
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: is not that one, right, that's not that's not He's like,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: I did not direct iron Man. But yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: my Twitter stuff. I love a bit of Twitter. It's great.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: It's how I get my news. But that's how I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: get the gossip on my news. I'll see on Twitter
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: that I'll try verify it if I go to an
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: actual news source.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: It's all the fake all the fake news and stuff.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: You kind of like go, all right, yeah, it's like
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: great white Sharks spotted off corn Well. Ohly, shit, that's cool.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I have friends who post stuff
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: on Facebook and Twitter and this, this and that and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: some of this stuff that I see them post.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I go, guys, that there's no way that could be
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: true on any which way you slice stuff. I don't care.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: I don't care if you're whatever political party or whatever
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: you're you're from.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: There's no way this could be true.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: There would literally be a mass uproar, or there would
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: literally be h some kind of like government investigation one
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: way or the other. There's just no way, or maybe
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: maybe I'm the idiot and they're actually if all the truth,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm such a sucker, Like I'll watch it and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: there I go, who wow, that's cool, and I'll check
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: it out before just blindly believing it because I've learned
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: from my mistakes. I was like, oh, well, and I
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: believe things for a brief moment before I find out
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: they're not true. I'm like, ash shit. But there was
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: that one, remember that meteor over Russia a few years back.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: I'd been about five years ago, and all those dash
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: cams caught it, and I just went, that's the fakest
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: thing I've ever seen. As bullshites, No, that's real. Yeah,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: that one was so the one time I called it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: out thinking learning from the mistakes, but I don't trust
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: anything that's bullshit.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah it was real, and I was like, why the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: fuck an I so many dash cams in Russia And
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: then I found out which I went on a wormhole
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: of YouTube, bat day man, it was loads are Russians
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: throwing themselves in front of the cars for fak insurance scams.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: It was, yeah, it was. It was a great day.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: It was I was I think I was working on
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: Magpie at the time. I remember just sitting there going
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: I'm having a day off. To day, I'm watching Russians
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: try to run themselves over and meteors and that was
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: my day. That was a great day. That was a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: life of a freelancer. Man. It's it's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: I should be ashamed of myself.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: It's all good, man, it's a it's all good. It's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: because I actually always wanted that too. And then I
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: found out that there was so much insurance fraud over
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: there that that's why everyone drives now with a dashboard camera.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. To clarify incidentally, this might seem like, you know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: like came lording it up, taking a day off because
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: you just decided to. I was broke as fuck as
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: well at that point, so it was really really still.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: I was living with my parents. I was like, mom,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: I got to stay over for a couple of months
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: to get to just try and save some money. So
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: it was a pretty that was That was one of
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  Speaker 6: the dark times before the freelancing really picked up, but
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  Speaker 6: my god, yes, it was still it was still a
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  Speaker 6: day off. I remember if fondly back in the past,
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  Speaker 6: I'd love another one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it'll be funny.
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  Speaker 5: What if you got an idea watching all these scam artists.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, I could.
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  Speaker 5: Fake a scam, should scam? I could do that for money?
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  Speaker 5: And your parents are like, no, Mark, you're not doing that.
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  Speaker 6: I did think about getting the dog to do something
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  Speaker 6: really cute so I could film it and send it
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  Speaker 6: into a TV show and get two hundred quid. Ah,
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  Speaker 6: but I was you know their FTP uploads like, was
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  Speaker 6: so frustrated. I was like, fuck this. I didn't even
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  Speaker 6: film enything with the dog. I was just exploring the options,
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  Speaker 6: like this is too time consuming. I gotta do this.
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  Speaker 6: I'll carry on making the film I'm making. I hope
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  Speaker 6: that makes any money, which it didn't. That's filmmaking for you.
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  Speaker 4: So but but now you are you?
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  Speaker 5: I mean just out of curiosity, like do you live
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  Speaker 5: in like a flat with a bunch of other people now?
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  Speaker 6: Or yeah, I'm living in London, so oh.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus, you're broke. I know you're broke. Now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm working with a friend.
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  Speaker 6: I'm actually they're very creative guys. So one of my
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  Speaker 6: flatmates works on a Game of Thrones show, throne Cast,
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  Speaker 6: which is which is like a British equivalent of Hey,
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  Speaker 6: we just watched an episode of Game of Thrones, so
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  Speaker 6: let's let's talk about it for an hour. So he's
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  Speaker 6: one of those shows.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure you tell them about this show.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, hell yeah. I mean it was really cool
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  Speaker 6: actually by his little Game of Thrones thing, because I
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  Speaker 6: was on a film shoot once and there was a
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  Speaker 6: guy on the camera department, one of those guys is
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  Speaker 6: you just get the impression this guy is just a
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  Speaker 6: bit of a bit of a tool, and he was
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  Speaker 6: he was bragging about fucking I saw Battle of bast
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  Speaker 6: This last night, and he wanted to just ruin the
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  Speaker 6: episode for people hadn't seen it, and I just went mate,
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  Speaker 6: my flat mate works on throne Cast. He's already seen
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  Speaker 6: the final episode next week. If you fuck this episode
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  Speaker 6: up for me, I'm gonna tell you what happens the
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  Speaker 6: very last episode. Fuck your episode up. I could do that,
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  Speaker 6: because if you do that, you would have equivalent the
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  Speaker 6: equivalent of ruined the whole damn series for me, So
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  Speaker 6: I'll just blow the last episode few so don't don't
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  Speaker 6: test me, pal And then of course the last episode
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  Speaker 6: came on, I had to work with him for another
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  Speaker 6: five days. That was tense, but they give him credit.
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  Speaker 6: He was all talking. He didn't actually blow it, and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: he didn't blow it for anyone. He was just teasing everyone,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: very convincing me, which is a confusing way to joke.
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  Speaker 6: But hey, you know, whatever works, whatever works for you.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, it's but no, it's a it's a it's
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  Speaker 6: a cool. Uh, it's really great because like the Game
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  Speaker 6: of Thrones obsession in the in the flat is pretty intense.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, you know, and I think a lot of the
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  Speaker 6: guys are in it somewhere, like I'm behind Jamie lanisterday
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  Speaker 6: if you would have just moved to the left, you'd
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  Speaker 6: see me as an extra ship like that. So it's
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  Speaker 6: quite funny. It's you know, and then one of my
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  Speaker 6: camera system's like I'm one of those guys in the background,
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  Speaker 6: and like which one the bald one, and like there's
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  Speaker 6: fucking nine bold people back there. Dude, like on the
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  Speaker 6: Parker Am I supposed to? And they're all out of
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  Speaker 6: focus around fire Like I can't tell which one of you?
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  Speaker 6: He said, I think I'm that one. Like it's funny,
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  Speaker 6: it's uh it's uh yeah, it's it's we were in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: great times, arn't we, where television is so rich and exciting.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: It's a yeah. In many ways, I'm glad I don't
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  Speaker 6: have a career because'd probably love to direct the Game
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  Speaker 6: Throes episode and it would just ruin the whole series
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  Speaker 6: for me.
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  Speaker 5: Like it was great, it's all I got to direct it.
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  Speaker 5: It was all going great. Then, Uh you know that
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  Speaker 5: that one by Mark V.
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  Speaker 6: Price just kind of the camera was just pointing around
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  Speaker 6: in place six. You wouldn't look. He just was like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm pointing over there and I have them did the
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  Speaker 6: lines over there? I'm not looking. Just tell me I
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  Speaker 6: was in focus? Cool? Moving on, Yeah, that'd be me
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  Speaker 6: directing Game of Stones, Bordoor, Campire Back, holl Soul. Any
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  Speaker 6: show that I like, it's just gonna beat, that is
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  Speaker 6: all it would be. Would be me just going like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't tell me, just tell me I was in focus?
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  Speaker 6: It is? Did they sound like they meant it when
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  Speaker 6: they said the lines, then great, moving on. That's generally
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  Speaker 6: how I directed anyway.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if I'm very good that
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  Speaker 5: that that's your secret right there? We've just had it revealed.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: Uh that that that is just kind of like all right?
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  Speaker 4: Was it? Was it in focus?
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  Speaker 6: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Moving on?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: Did they sound like they meant it? Great? Moving on? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I hope this has been entertaining. Its terrifying.
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  Speaker 6: We're just talking. I forget that we're doing me a podcast.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a conversation that that's That's a good sign though,
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  Speaker 5: I I I think that is a yeah, so cool,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: but so mark. I shit, you coming on man and everyone,
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  Speaker 5: coming on. And I'm going to link to everything we
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  Speaker 6: Everyone, Brittian, thank you very much. Man.
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