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The Intersection of Podcasting and Storytelling for Young Minds · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

3:37
My
3:37
name
3:37
is
3:37
Amanda
3:38
Capito,
3:39
and
3:39
I'm
3:39
the
3:39
author
3:39
of
3:40
let's
3:40
Talk
3:40
Podcasting
3:41
for
3:41
Kids.
3:42
Thanks,
3:42
Amanda,
3:43
for
3:43
appearing
3:43
on
3:44
the
3:44
Adventures
3:44
in
3:45
the
3:45
Heart
3:45
of
3:45
Children's
3:46
Book
3:46
Authors
3:47
podcast.
3:48
Thanks
3:48
for
3:48
having
3:48
me.
3:49
Oh,
3:49
my
3:50
pleasure.
3:50
As
3:51
Amanda's
3:51
mentioned,
3:52
she's
3:53
written
3:53
her
3:53
children's
3:54
book,
3:54
let's
3:55
Talk
3:55
Podcasting
3:56
for
3:56
Kids,
3:57
and
3:57
I
3:57
look
3:57
forward
3:57
to
3:58
our
3:58
conversation.
3:59
Want
4:00
to
4:00
share
4:00
with
4:00
the
4:00
audience
4:02
something
4:02
really
4:03
cool?
4:03
And
4:04
Amanda
4:06
has
4:06
written
4:07
a
4:07
nonfiction
4:08
business
4:08
book,
4:10
and
4:10
it's
4:10
entitled
4:11
let's
4:11
Talk
4:11
Podcasting.
4:12
Already.
4:13
You're
4:13
into
4:13
your
4:14
second
4:14
edition,
4:15
which
4:15
is
4:15
what
4:15
I
4:16
own
4:16
and
4:16
I've
4:17
read,
4:17
so
4:17
I
4:17
love
4:17
it.
4:18
We're
4:18
going
4:18
to
4:18
unveil
4:19
part
4:19
of
4:19
that
4:19
mystery
4:20
today.
4:21
Okay.
4:21
I
4:21
can't
4:21
wait.
4:22
Yes.
4:22
There's
4:22
lots
4:22
of
4:23
ties
4:23
between
4:23
the
4:23
two.
4:24
The
4:24
first
4:25
thing
4:25
I
4:25
would
4:25
love
4:26
to
4:26
know
4:26
is,
4:28
tell
4:28
us
4:28
about
4:29
being
4:30
a
4:30
children's
4:31
book
4:31
author.
4:31
What
4:32
does
4:32
that
4:32
mean
4:32
to
4:32
you?
4:33
I
4:34
love
4:34
that
4:34
you
4:34
open
4:34
with
4:35
this
4:35
question.
4:35
It's
4:36
so
4:36
thoughtful.
4:37
And
4:37
I
4:38
think
4:38
sometimes
4:38
in
4:39
our
4:39
busy
4:39
lives,
4:40
we
4:40
don't
4:40
stop
4:40
and
4:41
think,
4:41
yeah,
4:41
what
4:41
does
4:42
this
4:42
mean
4:42
to
4:42
me?
4:43
How
4:43
does
4:43
this
4:43
feel
4:44
like?
4:44
And
4:45
it's
4:46
really
4:46
special.
4:47
I've
4:48
always
4:48
loved
4:49
kids.
4:49
I
4:50
was
4:51
the
4:52
kind
4:52
of
4:53
teen
4:53
that
4:53
always
4:54
was
4:54
offering
4:54
to
4:55
babysit
4:55
everybody's
4:56
kids.
4:57
I
4:57
worked
4:57
as
4:57
a
4:58
camp
4:58
counselor.
4:59
My
4:59
first
4:59
pay
5:00
job
5:00
was
5:01
as
5:01
a
5:01
swimming
5:02
instructor
5:02
for
5:03
young
5:03
kids.
5:04
And
5:04
so
5:04
I've
5:05
just
5:05
always
5:05
loved
5:06
the
5:06
magic
5:06
and
5:06
wonder
5:07
and
5:08
creativity
5:09
that
5:09
comes
5:10
with
5:10
children
5:10
and
5:11
storytelling.
5:12
And
5:13
I
5:14
have
5:14
pursued
5:14
a
5:14
career
5:15
in
5:15
mostly
5:15
corporate
5:16
and
5:16
business
5:17
side
5:17
of
5:17
podcasting,
5:18
which
5:19
you
5:19
talked
5:19
about
5:20
with
5:20
my
5:20
other
5:20
book,
5:21
my
5:21
adult
5:21
version
5:22
of
5:22
the
5:22
book.
5:22
So
5:22
to
5:23
say,
5:24
getting
5:24
back
5:24
to
5:24
my
5:25
roots
5:25
and
5:26
getting
5:26
back
5:26
in
5:27
touch
5:27
with
5:27
just
5:27
that
5:28
childlike
5:29
wonder
5:29
and
5:29
imagination
5:31
has
5:31
been
5:31
so
5:32
lovely.
5:33
Life
5:33
giving,
5:34
it's
5:35
been
5:35
really
5:35
a
5:36
bright
5:36
spot
5:36
in
5:37
my
5:37
days
5:37
to
5:37
be
5:37
able
5:38
to
5:38
do
5:38
work
5:38
around
5:39
the
5:39
kids
5:39
version
5:40
of
5:40
the
5:40
book.
5:40
And
5:40
so
5:41
I
5:41
think
5:41
it
5:41
was
5:41
always
5:41
part
5:41
of
5:42
me,
5:42
and
5:42
I'm
5:42
really
5:42
glad
5:43
to
5:43
be
5:43
able
5:43
to
5:43
lean
5:43
into
5:44
it.
5:44
That
5:44
is
5:45
terrific.
5:45
And,
5:46
you
5:46
know,
5:46
I
5:46
just.
5:47
As
5:47
a
5:47
side
5:47
note,
5:48
I
5:48
was
5:48
a
5:48
playground
5:49
instructor
5:50
through
5:50
my
5:51
high
5:51
school
5:51
days.
5:52
So
5:52
you
5:52
get
5:52
it.
5:52
You're
5:52
the
5:53
same
5:53
common.
5:55
You
5:55
know
5:55
what,
5:55
with
5:56
my
5:56
grandkids,
5:57
I
5:57
just
5:57
get
5:57
to
5:57
be
5:57
a
5:57
big
5:58
kid
5:58
again.
5:58
Think
5:59
I've
5:59
ever
5:59
grown
5:59
up?
6:00
So,
6:01
yeah,
6:01
that's
6:02
a
6:02
good
6:02
thing.
6:02
You
6:03
know
6:03
what
6:03
they
6:03
say
6:03
about
6:04
living
6:04
a
6:04
long
6:05
life,
6:06
get
6:06
younger
6:07
friends.
6:07
That's.
6:08
Oh,
6:08
there
6:08
you
6:08
go.
6:09
So
6:09
you're
6:10
on
6:10
track
6:10
to.
6:10
To
6:11
live
6:11
forever?
6:11
Yeah,
6:12
I
6:12
set
6:12
a
6:12
goal
6:13
of
6:13
111.
6:14
All
6:14
right.
6:15
I
6:15
believe
6:16
it.
6:17
We've
6:17
mentioned
6:18
to
6:18
the
6:18
audience
6:18
you
6:19
wrote
6:19
your
6:19
first.
6:20
I'm
6:20
not
6:20
sure
6:20
if
6:20
it's
6:21
your
6:21
first
6:21
book,
6:21
but
6:21
you
6:22
wrote
6:22
a
6:22
book
6:22
on
6:23
podcasting
6:24
and
6:24
for
6:25
an
6:25
adult
6:26
audience.
6:26
I
6:27
don't
6:27
want
6:27
to
6:27
put
6:27
words
6:27
in
6:28
your
6:28
mouth.
6:28
Tell
6:28
us
6:29
for
6:29
your
6:29
children's
6:30
book,
6:30
tell
6:30
us
6:31
the
6:31
origin
6:31
story.
6:32
Like,
6:32
what
6:33
motivated
6:33
you
6:34
to
6:34
say,
6:34
you
6:34
know
6:34
what,
6:35
I've
6:35
written
6:35
my
6:36
business
6:36
book
6:37
for
6:37
adults,
6:37
but,
6:38
man,
6:38
I
6:38
want
6:39
to
6:39
dig
6:39
deeper.
6:40
I
6:40
want
6:40
to
6:40
go
6:40
deeper
6:42
into
6:42
my
6:42
audience.
6:43
So
6:43
to
6:43
talk
6:44
to
6:44
us
6:44
about
6:44
this
6:45
youthful
6:45
approach
6:46
to
6:46
podcasting.
6:48
All
6:48
right,
6:48
so
6:49
the
6:49
first
6:50
edition
6:50
of
6:50
my
6:51
adult
6:51
book,
6:52
let's
6:52
Talk
6:52
Podcasting,
6:53
came
6:53
out
6:53
in
6:53
2018,
6:55
and
6:55
the
6:56
second
6:56
edition
6:56
just
6:57
came
6:57
out
6:57
last
6:57
year,
6:58
2024.
6:59
When
6:59
I
6:59
was
6:59
updating
7:00
the
7:00
book,
7:00
I
7:01
was
7:01
looking
7:01
up
7:01
all
7:02
of
7:02
the
7:03
latest
7:03
podcast
7:04
research,
7:05
and
7:06
there's
7:07
been
7:07
a
7:07
lot
7:07
of
7:08
research,
7:08
as
7:08
you
7:08
can
7:08
imagine,
7:09
that's
7:09
happened
7:09
between
7:10
the
7:10
two
7:10
editions.
7:11
I
7:11
actually
7:11
really
7:12
love
7:12
digging
7:12
into
7:13
research
7:13
because
7:14
sometimes
7:14
it
7:14
confirms
7:15
trends
7:15
that
7:15
I
7:15
was
7:16
already
7:16
thinking
7:17
I
7:17
knew.
7:17
Sometimes
7:18
it
7:18
unlocks
7:19
a
7:19
whole
7:19
other
7:20
area
7:20
that
7:20
I
7:21
wasn't
7:21
expecting.
7:22
So
7:22
I
7:22
already
7:22
had
7:23
an
7:23
inkling
7:24
that
7:24
podcasting
7:25
for
7:25
kids
7:26
was
7:27
up
7:27
and
7:27
coming.
7:28
I
7:28
was
7:28
getting
7:28
more
7:29
requests
7:29
to
7:29
go
7:30
do
7:30
podcasting
7:31
workshops
7:31
for
7:31
younger
7:32
audiences.
7:33
I
7:33
was
7:34
seeing
7:34
the
7:34
popularity
7:35
of
7:35
Yodo
7:36
boxes,
7:36
which
7:37
is
7:37
these
7:37
audio
7:38
stories
7:38
that
7:38
kids
7:38
can
7:39
put
7:39
a
7:39
card
7:39
into
7:39
and
7:39
listen
7:39
to
7:40
an
7:40
audio
7:40
story.
7:41
And
7:41
I
7:42
found
7:42
that
7:42
there
7:43
was
7:43
brand
7:43
new
7:44
research
7:44
done
7:45
by
7:45
Edison
7:46
in
7:47
collaboration
7:47
with
7:48
Disney
7:49
that
7:49
highlighted
7:50
the
7:51
listenership
7:51
for
7:52
children
7:52
12
7:52
and
7:53
under.
7:53
And
7:53
specifically,
7:54
the
7:54
stat
7:54
that
7:55
stood
7:55
out
7:55
to
7:55
me
7:55
was
7:56
kids
7:56
6
7:56
to
7:56
12
7:57
in
7:57
the
7:57
US
7:57
but
7:58
we
7:58
know
7:58
that
7:58
Canadian
7:58
listenership
7:59
is
7:59
also
7:59
quite
7:59
similar.
8:00
49%
8:02
of
8:02
them
8:02
had
8:02
listened
8:03
to
8:03
a
8:03
podcast
8:03
in
8:04
the
8:04
last
8:04
month.
8:04
So
8:04
about
8:05
half
8:05
of
8:05
the
8:05
kids
8:05
between
8:06
6
8:06
and
8:06
12
8:06
were
8:07
listening
8:07
to
8:07
podcasts
8:08
on
8:08
a
8:08
regular
8:09
basis.
8:09
I
8:09
never
8:10
heard
8:10
that
8:10
before.
8:11
Yes,
8:12
it's
8:12
a
8:12
shocking
8:13
number.
8:13
And
8:13
then
8:13
I
8:13
went.
8:14
As
8:14
soon
8:14
as
8:14
I
8:14
saw
8:14
that,
8:14
I
8:15
went,
8:15
oh,
8:15
my
8:15
gosh.
8:15
And
8:15
I
8:16
started
8:16
digging
8:16
deeper.
8:16
And
8:17
they
8:17
had
8:17
research
8:18
for
8:18
kids
8:19
that
8:19
were
8:19
6
8:20
to
8:20
8
8:20
years
8:20
old
8:20
listening
8:21
to
8:21
podcasts.
8:21
Like
8:22
they
8:22
had
8:22
drilled
8:22
down
8:22
to
8:23
even
8:23
subsets
8:24
within
8:24
that
8:24
6
8:25
to
8:25
12
8:25
range.
8:26
And
8:27
it
8:27
was
8:28
shocking.
8:28
And
8:29
year
8:29
over
8:30
year,
8:30
it
8:30
is
8:30
growing
8:31
exponentially.
8:32
And
8:32
I
8:33
just
8:33
went,
8:33
oh,
8:33
my
8:34
God,
8:34
there's.
8:34
This
8:35
is
8:35
notable.
8:36
And
8:36
then
8:36
when
8:37
I
8:37
went
8:37
to
8:37
go
8:37
look
8:37
to
8:37
see
8:38
what
8:38
resources
8:38
there
8:38
were
8:39
for
8:39
kids
8:39
under
8:40
12
8:41
in
8:41
podcasting
8:41
in
8:41
a
8:42
nonfiction
8:42
sense,
8:42
if
8:42
they
8:43
just
8:43
wanted
8:43
to
8:43
learn
8:43
about
8:43
it,
8:44
there
8:44
was
8:44
truly
8:44
nothing.
8:45
And
8:45
so
8:46
I
8:46
went,
8:46
I
8:46
guess
8:47
I'm
8:47
writing
8:48
a
8:48
kid's
8:48
book.
8:49
Oh,
8:49
that's
8:50
how
8:50
I
8:50
began.
8:51
Yeah,
8:52
it
8:52
is
8:52
amazing
8:53
because
8:54
I
8:54
talk
8:54
about
8:55
this
8:55
on
8:56
other
8:56
episodes,
8:56
but
8:57
I
8:57
wanted
8:57
to
8:57
show
8:58
you.
8:58
So
8:58
there's
8:59
a
8:59
QR
8:59
code.
9:00
So
9:00
this
9:00
is
9:00
a
9:00
bookmark
9:02
and
9:03
it
9:03
actually
9:03
has
9:04
a
9:04
free
9:04
audiobook.
9:06
Okay.
9:07
With
9:07
the
9:07
QR
9:07
code
9:08
and
9:08
the
9:08
story
9:08
behind
9:09
the
9:09
story.
9:10
What
9:10
it
9:10
is,
9:10
it's
9:11
my
9:11
middle
9:11
granddaughter
9:12
reading
9:13
our
9:13
original
9:14
book,
9:14
the
9:14
Adventures
9:15
of
9:15
Caboose,
9:15
the
9:16
Rocky
9:16
Mountain
9:16
Bear.
9:17
And
9:17
then
9:17
I
9:18
interview
9:19
my
9:20
oldest
9:20
granddaughter
9:21
because
9:21
she's
9:22
the
9:22
inspiration
9:23
behind
9:23
Caboose,
9:24
because
9:24
you'll
9:24
notice
9:25
caboose
9:25
is
9:25
spelled
9:26
with
9:26
a
9:26
K
9:26
and
9:27
her
9:27
first
9:28
name
9:28
is
9:28
Kira,
9:29
with
9:29
a
9:29
K.
9:30
So
9:30
that's
9:30
how
9:30
this
9:31
all
9:31
started.
9:31
I
9:32
interview
9:32
her
9:33
and
9:33
she
9:33
tells
9:34
the
9:34
story
9:34
behind
9:34
the
9:35
story
9:35
and
9:35
about
9:36
how
9:36
this
9:36
whole
9:37
children's
9:37
book
9:38
writing
9:38
adventure
9:39
came
9:39
to
9:39
be.
9:40
Oh,
9:40
I
9:40
love
9:41
that.
9:41
I'm
9:41
going
9:41
to
9:41
have
9:41
to
9:41
check
9:41
that
9:42
out.
9:42
That
9:42
sounds
9:42
so
9:42
sweet.
9:43
Thank
9:43
you.
9:44
So
9:44
I
9:44
love
9:45
how
9:46
you
9:46
are
9:47
picking
9:48
up
9:48
on
9:48
a
9:48
trend,
9:49
and
9:50
it's
9:50
interesting
9:51
because
9:51
I'm
9:51
always
9:52
looking
9:52
for
9:52
different
9:52
ideas
9:53
to
9:53
share
9:53
with
9:53
the
9:54
audience.
9:54
One
9:55
thing
9:55
I
9:55
notice
9:56
when
9:56
I
9:57
search
9:58
our
9:58
show,
9:58
Adventures
9:59
in
9:59
the
9:59
Heart
9:59
of
9:59
Children's
10:00
Book
10:00
Authors,
10:01
it
10:01
was
10:01
interesting.
10:02
What
10:02
I
10:03
was
10:03
finding
10:04
is
10:04
there
10:04
was
10:04
more
10:05
and
10:05
more
10:05
of
10:05
these
10:05
shows
10:06
that
10:07
were
10:07
doing
10:07
children's
10:08
books
10:08
as
10:09
audio.
10:10
They
10:10
were
10:10
lumped
10:11
in
10:11
as
10:11
a
10:11
podcast,
10:12
even
10:13
though
10:14
they're
10:14
not.
10:14
I
10:15
shouldn't
10:15
say
10:15
what
10:16
is
10:16
a
10:16
podcast,
10:17
but.
10:17
No,
10:17
that's
10:17
fair
10:18
because
10:18
the
10:18
definition
10:19
keeps
10:19
changing,
10:19
and
10:20
even
10:20
audiobook
10:20
to
10:21
podcast,
10:21
the
10:22
lines
10:22
are
10:22
blurred.
10:23
So
10:24
it's
10:24
hard.
10:25
I
10:25
do
10:25
think
10:25
that
10:26
some
10:26
people
10:26
will
10:26
have
10:26
listened
10:27
to
10:27
an
10:27
audiobook
10:27
and
10:27
said
10:28
they
10:28
listen
10:28
to
10:28
podcasts.
10:29
It's
10:29
a
10:29
fair
10:29
thing
10:29
to
10:30
notice.
10:30
And
10:30
I
10:30
think
10:30
that's
10:31
indicative
10:31
of
10:31
the
10:31
lack
10:32
of
10:32
one
10:32
definition
10:33
that
10:33
we
10:33
could
10:33
all
10:33
rally
10:34
behind
10:34
when
10:34
it
10:35
comes
10:35
to
10:35
podcasting.
10:36
It
10:36
even
10:36
got
10:36
my
10:37
mind
10:37
flowing
10:38
because
10:38
I've
10:38
got
10:38
all
10:39
these
10:39
38
10:40
stories,
10:40
and
10:41
with
10:41
my
10:41
grandchildren,
10:42
we've
10:42
recorded
10:43
about
10:43
half
10:43
of
10:43
them
10:43
in
10:44
audio
10:44
book
10:45
format.
10:45
And
10:45
I
10:45
thought
10:46
maybe
10:47
I
10:47
should
10:47
be
10:48
launching
10:48
that
10:49
as
10:49
a
10:49
podcast
10:50
here.
10:50
Just
10:51
add
10:51
some
10:51
more
10:52
stuff
10:52
onto
10:52
my
10:52
plate.
10:53
I
10:53
digress.
10:54
Here
10:55
you
10:55
are.
10:55
You're
10:56
updating
10:56
your
10:56
first
10:57
version
10:57
of
10:58
your
10:58
adult
10:58
book.
10:59
Let's
10:59
Talk
10:59
podcasting
11:01
from
11:01
2018
11:02
to
11:02
2024.
11:03
It
11:04
definitely
11:04
stimulates
11:05
this
11:06
whole
11:06
thought
11:06
process
11:07
of
11:08
checking
11:08
into
11:09
your
11:09
research
11:09
and
11:10
realizing,
11:10
oh,
11:10
my
11:11
goodness,
11:11
there's
11:11
even
11:11
a
11:12
bigger
11:12
market
11:12
here.
11:13
That's
11:13
the
11:14
whole
11:14
inspiration
11:15
behind
11:15
the
11:15
children's
11:16
book.
11:16
Or
11:16
is
11:17
there
11:17
more?
11:17
No,
11:18
that
11:18
was
11:18
it,
11:18
really.
11:19
I
11:19
within
11:19
seeing
11:20
that
11:20
on.
11:20
I
11:21
wrote
11:21
the
11:21
book
11:21
in
11:21
five
11:22
minutes
11:22
on
11:22
my
11:22
phone.
11:23
Like,
11:23
it
11:23
poured
11:23
out
11:24
of
11:24
me
11:24
and
11:25
I
11:25
was.
11:25
I
11:26
think
11:26
I
11:26
was
11:26
in
11:26
transit
11:27
somewhere
11:27
and
11:27
I
11:28
just
11:28
went,
11:28
oh,
11:28
I'm
11:29
just
11:29
gonna
11:29
write
11:29
something.
11:30
Just.
11:31
It
11:31
just
11:31
wrote
11:31
it
11:32
like
11:32
it
11:32
happened
11:32
so
11:33
fast.
11:33
That's
11:34
terrific.
11:34
Yeah.
11:36
I've
11:36
talked
11:36
to
11:37
many
11:37
children's
11:37
book
11:38
authors
11:38
who
11:38
have
11:39
definitely
11:39
woken
11:40
up
11:40
in
11:40
the
11:40
middle
11:40
of
11:40
the
11:40
night,
11:41
had
11:41
their
11:42
iPhone
11:42
beside
11:43
their
11:43
bed,
11:43
and
11:44
they
11:44
recited
11:45
a
11:45
whole
11:46
children's
11:46
book.
11:47
And
11:47
their
11:47
spouses
11:48
will
11:48
wake
11:48
up
11:48
and
11:49
say,
11:49
what
11:49
the
11:50
heck
11:50
did
11:50
you
11:50
just
11:50
do?
11:52
And
11:52
when
11:52
creativity
11:53
strikes,
11:53
you
11:53
gotta
11:54
just
11:54
lean
11:54
in.
11:55
Agreed.
11:56
I'm
11:56
interested.
11:57
And
11:57
the
11:57
reason
11:57
I'm
11:58
asking
11:58
this
11:58
question
11:59
is
11:59
I'm
11:59
always
12:00
trying
12:00
to
12:00
help
12:01
children's
12:01
book
12:02
authors
12:03
how
12:03
to
12:03
build
12:04
out
12:04
their
12:05
business
12:05
because
12:06
99%
12:08
of
12:08
the
12:08
children's
12:08
book
12:09
authors
12:09
I
12:09
talk
12:09
to
12:10
do
12:10
not
12:11
have
12:11
a
12:11
children's
12:12
book
12:12
business
12:12
plan.
12:13
I'm
12:13
trying
12:13
to
12:13
figure
12:13
out.
12:14
Okay,
12:14
now
12:14
this
12:15
is
12:15
interesting
12:16
from
12:17
with
12:17
Amanda,
12:18
and
12:18
here's
12:19
my
12:19
question.
12:19
I'm
12:20
interested
12:20
in
12:20
knowing
12:21
how
12:21
are
12:21
you
12:21
using
12:22
your
12:22
children's
12:23
book
12:23
to
12:23
fit
12:24
into
12:24
your
12:26
primary
12:26
book
12:27
business
12:27
plan
12:28
and
12:28
your
12:29
business?
12:29
Talk
12:29
to
12:29
us
12:30
about
12:30
that.
12:31
I
12:31
will
12:31
say
12:32
out
12:32
of
12:32
the
12:32
gate
12:33
that
12:34
this
12:34
was
12:34
maybe
12:35
not
12:35
even
12:35
the
12:36
most
12:36
strategic
12:37
business
12:37
plan.
12:39
Mike.
12:39
I've
12:39
been
12:40
spending
12:40
time
12:40
building
12:41
a
12:41
corporate
12:41
audience,
12:42
a
12:42
more
12:42
professional
12:43
audience,
12:43
entrepreneurs
12:44
and
12:44
businesses.
12:45
And
12:46
I
12:46
recognize
12:47
this
12:47
is
12:47
a
12:47
completely
12:48
different
12:48
audience.
12:49
But
12:50
number
12:51
one,
12:51
I
12:51
felt
12:52
I
12:52
needed
12:52
to
12:52
do
12:52
this
12:53
because
12:53
it
12:53
needed
12:53
to
12:54
be
12:54
in
12:54
the
12:54
world.
12:54
Like,
12:54
I
12:55
had
12:55
this,
12:55
like,
12:56
undercurrent
12:56
of
12:57
maybe
12:57
even
12:57
altruism
12:58
of
12:59
maybe
12:59
I'm
12:59
gonna
13:00
set
13:00
somebody
13:00
on
13:00
the
13:00
right
13:00
path
13:01
and
13:01
they're
13:01
gonna
13:01
become
13:02
brilliant
13:02
podcaster
13:03
because
13:03
they
13:03
read
13:04
this
13:04
book.
13:04
As
13:04
a
13:04
kid,
13:05
I
13:05
felt
13:05
like
13:05
I.
13:05
I
13:06
owed
13:06
it
13:06
to
13:07
the
13:07
universe
13:07
to
13:07
do.
13:08
Which
13:09
might
13:09
sound
13:09
a
13:09
little
13:10
woo,
13:10
but
13:10
that's
13:10
the
13:10
reality.
13:11
I'm
13:11
not
13:12
really
13:12
trying
13:13
to
13:13
build
13:14
it
13:14
out
13:14
as
13:14
part
13:14
of
13:15
lead
13:15
podcasting.
13:15
As
13:15
my
13:16
company,
13:16
we
13:16
run
13:17
a
13:17
podcast
13:17
production
13:18
agency.
13:18
We
13:19
do
13:19
corporate
13:19
podcasts.
13:20
And
13:20
so
13:20
that's
13:20
why
13:20
the
13:21
book
13:21
definitely
13:22
makes
13:22
sense.
13:22
My
13:23
adult
13:23
book
13:23
definitely
13:24
makes
13:24
sense
13:24
to
13:24
go
13:24
hand
13:24
in
13:24
hand
13:25
with
13:25
my
13:25
agency.
13:26
But
13:26
we're
13:27
not
13:27
in
13:28
the
13:28
business
13:28
of
13:28
creating
13:28
kids
13:29
podcasts.
13:30
From
13:30
a
13:30
business
13:30
perspective,
13:31
this
13:31
is
13:32
how
13:32
I've.
13:33
I
13:33
still
13:33
do
13:33
have
13:33
a
13:33
business
13:34
lens
13:34
on
13:35
what
13:35
I
13:35
do
13:35
and
13:35
how
13:35
I
13:35
spend
13:36
my
13:36
time.
13:37
Number
13:37
one,
13:37
I
13:37
was
13:37
going
13:37
to
13:37
go
13:38
on
13:38
book
13:38
tour
13:38
anyway
13:39
with
13:39
my
13:39
adult
13:39
book.
13:40
So
13:40
why
13:40
not
13:40
go
13:40
on
13:41
book
13:41
tour
13:41
with
13:41
both
13:42
books
13:43
and
13:43
add
13:43
in
13:44
some
13:44
extra
13:44
stops
13:45
that
13:45
would
13:45
be
13:46
able
13:46
to
13:46
have
13:46
a
13:46
wider
13:46
audience.
13:47
So
13:48
that
13:49
was
13:49
a
13:49
check
13:49
of
13:50
the
13:50
box.
13:50
It
13:50
made
13:50
sense
13:51
from
13:51
a
13:51
business
13:51
perspective.
13:52
And
13:52
now
13:52
I
13:52
could
13:52
sell
13:52
both
13:53
books
13:53
and
13:53
people
13:53
are
13:54
maybe
13:54
buying
13:54
the
13:54
adult
13:55
one
13:55
for
13:55
themselves
13:55
and
13:56
then
13:56
the
13:56
kid
13:56
one
13:56
for
13:56
their
13:56
kids
13:57
or
13:57
for
13:57
a
13:57
gift.
13:59
The
13:59
second
13:59
thing
14:00
is,
14:00
I'm
14:00
always
14:01
doing
14:01
workshops.
14:02
Since
14:03
I've
14:03
made
14:03
my
14:03
first
14:04
podcast,
14:04
I've
14:04
been
14:05
sharing
14:05
the
14:05
learnings
14:06
from
14:06
that
14:06
and
14:06
that's.
14:07
I
14:07
made
14:07
my
14:07
first
14:07
one
14:08
in
14:08
2010,
14:08
so
14:09
it's
14:09
been
14:09
a
14:09
while.
14:10
And
14:10
I
14:10
was
14:11
already.
14:11
Thanks.
14:12
And
14:12
I
14:12
was
14:12
already
14:13
starting
14:13
to
14:13
be
14:13
asked
14:14
to
14:14
do
14:14
these
14:15
kids
14:15
workshops.
14:16
And
14:16
so
14:16
the
14:16
book
14:17
actually
14:17
allowed
14:17
to
14:18
my
14:18
workshops
14:18
just
14:19
to
14:19
be
14:19
better.
14:19
The
14:20
core
14:20
of
14:20
my
14:20
workshop
14:21
is
14:21
the
14:21
book.
14:22
I
14:22
open
14:22
up
14:22
with
14:23
reading
14:23
the
14:23
book,
14:23
and
14:23
then
14:24
we
14:24
extrapolate
14:24
on
14:25
that.
14:25
So
14:25
the
14:25
book
14:26
is
14:26
for
14:26
ages
14:26
5
14:27
to
14:27
9.
14:27
And
14:28
when
14:28
I'm
14:28
into
14:28
classrooms
14:29
like
14:29
grade
14:29
ones,
14:30
twos,
14:30
threes,
14:31
this
14:31
is
14:31
how
14:31
we
14:31
begin.
14:32
And
14:33
so
14:33
that
14:34
strategically
14:34
has
14:35
just
14:35
made
14:35
my
14:35
workshops
14:36
better.
14:37
And
14:38
the
14:38
last
14:39
thing
14:39
is
14:39
that
14:40
I
14:40
do
14:40
feel
14:41
that
14:41
the
14:41
kids
14:42
podcast
14:43
industry
14:43
is
14:44
up
14:44
and
14:45
coming.
14:46
It's
14:46
not
14:46
fully
14:47
fleshed
14:47
out
14:47
yet.
14:48
There's
14:48
still
14:48
a
14:48
lot
14:49
of
14:49
questions
14:49
around
14:49
monetization
14:51
and
14:52
who
14:52
are
14:52
going
14:52
to
14:52
be
14:52
the
14:53
big
14:53
front
14:54
runners
14:54
in
14:54
this
14:55
space.
14:56
And
14:56
I
14:56
just
14:56
thought,
14:57
what's
14:57
the
14:57
harm
14:58
in
14:58
throwing
14:58
my
14:59
hat
14:59
in
14:59
that
14:59
ring
15:00
and
15:00
seeing
15:00
how
15:00
things
15:01
shake
15:01
out
15:01
and
15:01
then
15:01
maybe
15:02
making
15:02
a
15:02
more
15:02
strategic,
15:03
strategic
15:03
business
15:03
play
15:04
later.
15:05
I'm
15:05
a
15:05
creative
15:06
at
15:06
heart
15:06
and
15:06
I
15:06
love
15:07
to
15:07
experiment.
15:08
And
15:08
so
15:08
this
15:08
is
15:08
me
15:08
just
15:09
staying
15:09
open.
15:09
And
15:09
one
15:10
thing
15:10
that
15:10
I
15:10
will
15:10
share
15:11
here
15:11
that's
15:11
coming
15:12
very
15:12
soon,
15:12
and
15:12
this
15:13
is
15:13
part
15:13
of
15:13
me
15:13
just
15:13
experimenting
15:14
and
15:14
seeing
15:14
what
15:14
happens,
15:15
is
15:16
that
15:16
we
15:16
are
15:17
creating
15:17
a
15:18
podcasting
15:18
app
15:19
for
15:19
kids
15:20
and
15:20
it
15:21
will
15:21
be
15:21
free
15:22
and
15:22
it
15:23
will
15:23
live
15:23
on
15:24
the
15:24
domain
15:24
podcastingforkids.org
15:26
I
15:26
couldn't
15:27
believe
15:27
that
15:27
domain
15:27
was
15:27
available.
15:28
And
15:28
so
15:29
I
15:29
got
15:29
it.
15:30
And
15:30
I
15:31
got
15:31
at
15:31
the
15:31
same
15:31
time
15:31
that
15:32
I
15:32
decided
15:32
to
15:32
write
15:32
the
15:32
book.
15:33
I
15:33
just
15:33
thought,
15:33
oh,
15:33
that
15:33
that
15:34
could
15:34
be
15:34
something.
15:34
And
15:35
what
15:35
we've
15:36
done
15:36
is
15:36
just
15:36
a
15:36
community
15:37
give
15:37
back.
15:37
So
15:37
it's
15:38
completely
15:38
free.
15:39
Kids
15:39
can
15:40
record
15:41
themselves
15:41
and
15:42
turn
15:42
it
15:42
into
15:42
a
15:42
little
15:42
podcast
15:43
instantly.
15:44
This
15:44
will
15:45
be
15:45
launching
15:45
at
15:46
the
15:46
beginning
15:46
of
15:46
next
15:47
month,
15:47
so
15:47
December,
15:48
and
15:49
we'll
15:49
see
15:50
where
15:50
that
15:50
goes
15:50
too.
15:51
Maybe
15:51
there'll
15:51
be
15:51
something
15:52
there.
15:52
I
15:52
love
15:52
it.
15:53
Phenomenal.
15:54
Congratulations.
15:55
Thanks.
15:56
That
15:56
is
15:57
fantastic.
15:57
And
15:57
it's
15:58
interesting.
15:59
I'm
16:00
very
16:00
fortunate
16:00
to
16:00
talk
16:01
to
16:01
so
16:01
many
16:01
different
16:02
children's
16:02
book
16:02
authors.
16:03
I
16:04
had
16:05
one
16:05
guest
16:05
on.
16:06
She's
16:06
written
16:06
three
16:07
different
16:07
children's
16:08
books
16:09
and
16:10
she's
16:10
a
16:11
adult
16:11
motivational
16:13
business
16:15
speaker,
16:16
and
16:17
she
16:17
wrote
16:17
these
16:18
books.
16:18
And
16:18
at
16:19
first
16:19
I
16:19
asked
16:19
her,
16:19
how
16:20
does
16:20
that
16:20
fit
16:20
into.
16:21
Into
16:21
what
16:22
you
16:22
do?
16:22
Yeah.
16:23
She
16:23
says
16:23
it's
16:24
absolutely
16:25
amazing.
16:27
Wow.
16:27
That
16:27
it
16:28
does
16:28
fit
16:28
into
16:29
her
16:29
business.
16:30
Yeah.
16:30
And
16:30
then
16:31
I've
16:31
talked
16:31
to
16:32
many
16:34
authors
16:34
who
16:34
have
16:35
done
16:36
event
16:36
book
16:36
readings
16:37
where
16:37
there's
16:37
children
16:38
not
16:39
in
16:39
a
16:39
school
16:39
environment,
16:40
but
16:40
at
16:40
a
16:41
bookstore
16:41
event
16:41
or
16:42
whatever,
16:42
where
16:42
there's
16:42
adults.
16:43
And
16:43
they've
16:44
said
16:44
to
16:44
me,
16:44
they
16:44
brought
16:45
adults
16:46
to
16:46
tears
16:47
and
16:47
and
16:47
they've
16:47
come
16:47
up
16:47
and
16:48
said,
16:48
oh,
16:48
that's
16:49
my
16:49
story.
16:50
That's
16:50
so
16:50
nice.
16:51
It's
16:52
incredible
16:52
how
16:52
a
16:53
children's
16:53
book
16:53
can
16:54
actually
16:55
transcend
16:56
when
16:56
we
16:57
talk
16:57
about
16:58
you.
16:58
You
16:58
said
16:59
5
16:59
to
16:59
9
16:59
or
17:00
4
17:01
to
17:01
10
17:01
or
17:01
whatever
17:02
it
17:02
is.
17:03
A
17:03
lot
17:03
of
17:03
times
17:04
we
17:05
all
17:05
take
17:05
ourselves
17:05
back
17:06
to
17:06
our
17:06
childhood
17:07
and
17:08
we
17:08
can
17:08
relate
17:09
to
17:09
the
17:09
story.
17:09
That's
17:10
just
17:10
outstanding.
17:13
Another
17:13
little
17:13
fun
17:13
fact
17:14
I'll
17:14
throw
17:14
out,
17:14
though,
17:14
too,
17:15
just
17:15
to
17:15
add
17:15
on
17:15
to
17:15
that,
17:16
is
17:16
that
17:17
it's
17:17
been
17:17
unbelievable
17:18
for
17:18
anecdotally,
17:19
to
17:19
hear
17:20
how
17:20
many
17:21
podcast
17:21
professionals,
17:22
which.
17:22
Which
17:22
are
17:22
ultimately
17:23
my
17:23
peers
17:23
in
17:23
the
17:24
p.
17:24
In
17:24
the
17:24
conferences
17:24
I'm
17:25
going
17:25
to
17:26
have
17:26
bought
17:26
the
17:26
book
17:27
because
17:27
it
17:27
helped
17:28
them
17:28
explain
17:28
to
17:29
their
17:29
kid
17:29
what
17:30
they
17:30
do
17:30
for
17:30
a
17:31
living.
17:31
They
17:32
used
17:32
it
17:32
as
17:33
a
17:33
connection
17:34
point
17:34
for
17:34
their
17:35
own
17:35
children
17:35
to
17:36
say,
17:36
yeah,
17:36
and
17:36
that's
17:37
what
17:37
I
17:37
do
17:37
as
17:38
a
17:38
podcaster
17:38
professionally.
17:39
So
17:39
it's.
17:39
It
17:40
also
17:40
helps
17:40
explain
17:41
a
17:41
job
17:42
and
17:42
give
17:42
life
17:43
and
17:44
pictures
17:44
to
17:45
a
17:45
career
17:45
that
17:46
some
17:46
kids
17:46
don't
17:46
even
17:46
know
17:47
exists.
17:47
So
17:47
that's
17:47
been
17:47
nice,
17:48
too.
17:48
Yeah.
17:48
And
17:48
it's
17:49
cool.
17:49
Now
17:50
my
17:50
grandkids
17:51
come
17:51
over
17:51
to
17:51
my
17:51
office,
17:51
and
17:52
I've
17:52
got
17:52
two
17:52
microphones,
17:53
and
17:54
I've
17:54
got
17:55
lighting
17:55
and
17:56
the
17:56
camera
17:56
and
17:56
all
17:56
that.
17:57
But
17:57
also
17:57
I.
17:58
In
17:59
the
17:59
beginning,
17:59
I
18:00
had
18:00
even
18:00
bought
18:00
those
18:01
little
18:01
lapel
18:02
mics.
18:03
And
18:03
Dolby,
18:04
the
18:04
sound
18:05
company,
18:06
they
18:06
have
18:06
an
18:07
app.
18:07
That's
18:07
phenomenal.
18:09
Yes.
18:10
I
18:10
recorded
18:10
us
18:11
with
18:11
those
18:12
lapel
18:13
mics
18:13
and
18:13
used
18:13
that
18:14
software
18:15
on
18:15
an
18:15
app.
18:16
It
18:16
was
18:16
just
18:16
incredible.
18:17
Sounds
18:18
professional.
18:18
Yeah,
18:19
it
18:19
does.
18:20
It
18:20
does.
18:20
Amazing.
18:21
I
18:21
love
18:21
that.
18:22
So
18:23
I
18:23
noticed
18:23
you
18:23
have
18:24
three
18:24
formats
18:26
in
18:26
your
18:26
book,
18:26
of
18:27
course,
18:27
for
18:28
everyone
18:28
who's
18:29
listening.
18:30
Amanda.
18:30
I
18:30
was
18:30
showing
18:31
Amanda.
18:31
I
18:32
purchased
18:32
her
18:32
book
18:33
on
18:33
my
18:33
tablet,
18:34
and
18:35
then
18:35
I
18:35
use
18:35
the
18:35
Kindle
18:36
app,
18:36
but
18:36
of
18:36
course
18:36
it's
18:37
on
18:37
my
18:37
iPad.
18:38
And
18:38
then
18:38
of
18:38
course,
18:38
you
18:39
have
18:39
the
18:39
softcover
18:40
and
18:40
you've
18:41
got
18:41
a
18:41
hardcover.
18:42
Is
18:42
that
18:42
correct?
18:43
Or
18:43
you
18:43
just
18:43
have
18:43
no
18:44
hardcover,
18:44
Just
18:44
a
18:44
soft
18:45
cover.
18:45
Okay.
18:45
Just
18:46
a
18:46
soft
18:46
cover.
18:46
Yeah.
18:47
So
18:47
tell
18:47
us
18:47
a
18:48
little
18:48
bit
18:48
about,
18:49
like,
18:49
how
18:50
are
18:50
you
18:50
using
18:50
your
18:51
ebook
18:51
with
18:52
your
18:52
business?
18:53
Okay,
18:54
first
18:54
I'll
18:54
say
18:55
that
18:57
I
18:57
very
18:58
intentionally
18:59
listed
18:59
the
18:59
two
18:59
formats
19:00
it
19:00
comes
19:00
in,
19:00
and
19:00
audio
19:01
is
19:01
not
19:01
there.
19:02
And
19:02
that's
19:02
a
19:02
glaring
19:03
omission.
19:03
But.
19:03
And
19:03
I
19:04
feel
19:04
like
19:04
I
19:04
need
19:04
to
19:04
say
19:04
that
19:05
it's
19:05
only
19:05
because
19:05
I
19:06
want
19:06
to
19:06
do
19:06
my
19:06
own
19:06
audiobook
19:07
and
19:07
sound
19:07
design
19:08
it
19:08
myself
19:09
and
19:09
not
19:10
hire
19:10
it
19:10
out.
19:10
And
19:10
I
19:11
want
19:11
that
19:11
to
19:11
be
19:11
a
19:12
fun,
19:12
creative
19:12
project
19:12
for
19:13
me
19:13
over
19:13
the
19:13
holidays.
19:13
So
19:14
an
19:14
audio
19:14
version.
19:15
Just
19:15
pick
19:15
up
19:15
on
19:16
my
19:16
idea
19:16
that
19:16
I
19:17
shared
19:17
with
19:17
you.
19:18
Yes.
19:18
Create
19:19
a
19:19
QR
19:19
code.
19:20
Brilliant.
19:21
And
19:21
a
19:21
bookmark.
19:22
And
19:22
Then
19:22
there
19:23
you
19:23
go.
19:23
And
19:23
off
19:23
to
19:23
the
19:24
races.
19:24
Yeah.
19:24
So
19:24
I
19:25
got
19:25
to
19:25
do
19:25
that.
19:25
That's
19:25
going
19:26
to
19:26
happen.
19:26
And
19:26
the
19:27
adult
19:27
book
19:27
has
19:27
an
19:27
audiobook,
19:28
obviously.
19:29
Like,
19:29
that's.
19:29
Yeah.
19:30
And
19:30
putting
19:30
it
19:30
on.
19:30
And
19:30
by
19:30
the
19:31
way,
19:31
that's
19:31
just
19:31
in
19:31
Canva.
19:32
Free
19:32
Canva.
19:33
Yeah.
19:34
It
19:34
looks
19:34
great.
19:34
And
19:35
it
19:35
looks
19:35
so
19:35
pro.
19:35
All
19:36
the
19:36
fun.
19:36
So
19:36
it's
19:37
amazing.
19:37
So
19:37
an
19:38
audiobook
19:38
is
19:38
coming
19:39
then.
19:41
I
19:41
chose
19:41
a
19:41
soft
19:42
cover
19:43
because
19:43
I
19:43
love
19:43
Robert
19:44
Munsch
19:44
books,
19:45
to
19:45
be
19:45
honest.
19:45
And
19:46
my
19:46
book
19:46
looks
19:47
and
19:47
feels
19:48
like
19:48
a
19:48
Robert
19:48
Munsch
19:49
book.
19:49
That
19:50
was
19:50
my
19:50
inspiration.
19:51
So
19:51
it's
19:51
like
19:51
sized.
19:52
I
19:52
went
19:52
and
19:52
picked
19:53
up
19:53
a
19:53
bunch
19:53
of
19:53
kids
19:53
books
19:54
and
19:54
I
19:54
just
19:54
kept
19:54
coming
19:55
back
19:55
to
19:55
the
19:55
books
19:55
I
19:56
grew
19:56
up
19:56
on,
19:56
which
19:56
is
19:57
Robert
19:57
Munch.
19:58
And
19:58
I
19:58
was
19:59
like,
19:59
that's
19:59
the
19:59
kind
19:59
of
19:59
book
19:59
I
20:00
want
20:00
to
20:00
have.
20:00
So
20:00
it's
20:01
soft
20:01
cover
20:01
because
20:02
of
20:02
that.
20:02
The
20:02
back
20:02
is
20:03
even
20:03
designed
20:04
the
20:04
same
20:04
way
20:05
with
20:05
an
20:05
illustration.
20:06
I
20:07
did
20:07
an
20:07
illustration
20:07
of
20:07
myself
20:08
and
20:08
the
20:08
illustrator.
20:09
Robert
20:10
Munch
20:10
typically
20:10
put
20:10
a
20:10
real
20:11
photo,
20:11
but
20:11
liked
20:12
the
20:12
illustrator
20:12
was
20:12
just
20:13
so
20:13
talented.
20:13
Ladan
20:13
legiardi.
20:14
That's
20:15
how
20:15
I
20:15
landed
20:15
on
20:15
the
20:15
sub
20:16
cover.
20:16
And
20:16
then
20:17
the
20:17
ebook
20:18
version
20:18
or
20:19
the
20:19
digital
20:20
version
20:21
was
20:22
really
20:22
for.
20:23
My
20:23
strategy
20:24
was
20:25
give
20:26
it
20:26
to
20:26
people
20:26
at
20:27
a
20:27
really
20:27
affordable
20:27
rate
20:28
or
20:28
for
20:29
free
20:29
if
20:29
you
20:29
have.
20:30
I
20:30
signed
20:31
up
20:31
to
20:31
be.
20:31
If
20:31
you.
20:31
Part
20:32
of
20:32
the
20:32
subscription
20:32
with
20:33
Kindle,
20:34
you'll.
20:34
You
20:34
can
20:34
just
20:34
get
20:35
it.
20:35
Because
20:35
I
20:36
was
20:36
hoping
20:36
that
20:37
people
20:37
would
20:37
love
20:37
the
20:37
book
20:37
so
20:37
much.
20:38
They'd
20:38
buy
20:38
the
20:38
soft
20:38
cover,
20:39
they'd
20:39
buy
20:39
a
20:39
copy
20:40
of
20:40
it.
20:40
So
20:40
I
20:40
purposely
20:41
said,
20:41
you
20:42
know
20:42
what?
20:42
This
20:42
is
20:42
not
20:42
going
20:43
to
20:43
be
20:43
what
20:43
makes
20:44
big
20:44
bucks.
20:44
And
20:45
I
20:45
know
20:45
it.
20:45
I
20:45
just
20:46
want
20:46
to
20:46
get
20:46
it
20:46
in
20:46
people's
20:47
hands.
20:47
They're
20:47
going
20:47
to
20:47
see
20:48
how
20:48
beautiful
20:48
the
20:48
illustrations
20:49
are.
20:49
They're
20:49
going
20:49
to
20:49
see
20:49
how
20:49
great
20:49
of
20:50
a
20:50
story
20:50
it
20:50
is.
20:50
There's
20:50
little
20:50
work
20:51
pages
20:51
at
20:51
the
20:51
back.
20:52
I
20:52
love
20:52
that.
20:53
I
20:53
love
20:53
that
20:53
kids
20:54
to
20:54
fill
20:54
out.
20:54
Yeah.
20:55
And
20:55
that's
20:55
really
20:55
good
20:56
to
20:56
have
20:56
physically
20:57
in
20:57
hand.
20:57
And
20:57
so
20:58
I
20:58
thought
20:58
if
20:58
people
20:58
could
20:58
even
20:59
take
20:59
a
20:59
look
20:59
and
20:59
see
20:59
that,
21:00
they're
21:00
going
21:00
to
21:00
want
21:00
to
21:00
purchase
21:01
it.
21:01
So
21:01
that
21:01
was
21:01
the
21:01
thing
21:02
I
21:02
love.
21:02
About
21:03
your
21:03
book
21:03
too,
21:03
is
21:04
that
21:05
it's
21:05
not
21:06
only
21:07
informational
21:08
and
21:10
historical
21:11
in
21:11
a
21:11
matter
21:11
because
21:12
you
21:12
talk
21:12
a
21:12
little
21:13
bit
21:13
about
21:13
the
21:14
history
21:14
of
21:14
podcasting,
21:15
but
21:15
what
21:15
I
21:16
love
21:16
about
21:16
it
21:17
is
21:17
that
21:18
you
21:18
trigger
21:18
people's
21:19
minds,
21:19
including
21:20
mine.
21:21
And
21:21
then
21:22
at
21:22
the
21:22
end,
21:23
you
21:24
create
21:25
these
21:25
questions
21:26
so
21:26
that
21:27
people
21:27
can
21:27
start
21:27
formatting
21:29
their
21:29
own
21:30
podcast.
21:31
Yeah,
21:31
exactly.
21:32
Because
21:32
I
21:33
just
21:33
wanted
21:33
people.
21:34
The
21:34
goal
21:35
was
21:35
to
21:35
help
21:35
kids
21:36
feel
21:36
empowered,
21:37
to
21:37
make
21:38
them
21:38
love
21:38
the
21:38
medium,
21:39
but
21:39
also
21:39
feel
21:39
like
21:40
they
21:40
could
21:40
do
21:40
it
21:40
Themselves.
21:41
And
21:41
to
21:41
get
21:41
them
21:42
started,
21:44
I
21:44
want.
21:44
To
21:44
talk
21:44
to
21:44
you
21:45
a
21:45
bit
21:45
about
21:45
publishing.
21:46
Now
21:46
that
21:46
we've
21:46
talked
21:46
about
21:47
your
21:47
two
21:47
formats.
21:48
And
21:49
I
21:49
noticed,
21:50
first
21:50
of
21:50
all,
21:50
congratulations.
21:51
I
21:52
noticed
21:52
it
21:52
says,
21:53
your
21:53
book
21:53
says
21:54
printed
21:54
in
21:55
Canada.
21:56
Now
21:57
I'm
21:57
just
21:58
curious,
21:59
did
22:00
you
22:00
run
22:00
off
22:00
a
22:01
whole
22:01
bunch
22:01
of
22:01
copies?
22:02
Yeah.
22:02
You
22:02
have
22:02
a
22:03
whole
22:03
bunch
22:03
of
22:03
copies
22:04
Printed.
22:04
Printed,
22:05
yeah.
22:05
Okay.
22:06
Now
22:06
also
22:06
on
22:07
Amazon,
22:08
it's
22:09
print
22:09
on
22:09
demand
22:09
on
22:10
Amazon.
22:10
Okay.
22:11
Okay.
22:11
So
22:11
you.
22:11
I
22:11
didn't
22:12
want
22:12
to
22:12
have
22:12
to
22:12
deal
22:12
with
22:12
fulfillment.
22:13
No.
22:13
And
22:14
I
22:14
don't
22:14
blame
22:14
you.
22:14
And
22:15
that's
22:15
fantastic.
22:16
Printed
22:16
some
22:17
quantities
22:18
for
22:18
yourself.
22:19
And
22:19
then.
22:20
And
22:20
just
22:20
so
22:21
everyone
22:21
understands,
22:22
too,
22:22
the
22:22
thing
22:22
I
22:22
love
22:23
about.
22:23
Because
22:24
people
22:24
always
22:24
talk
22:24
about
22:25
the
22:25
big
22:26
corporations
22:27
or
22:27
whatever,
22:27
but
22:28
at
22:28
the
22:28
end
22:28
of
22:28
the
22:28
day,
22:29
Amazon,
22:30
if
22:31
you
22:31
purchase
22:31
a
22:31
book
22:31
in
22:32
Canada,
22:32
it's
22:33
printed
22:33
in
22:33
Canada.
22:34
Yeah.
22:35
And
22:35
sometimes,
22:36
you
22:36
know
22:36
what?
22:36
If
22:37
you
22:37
only
22:37
purchase.
22:38
If
22:38
you
22:39
purchase
22:39
one
22:40
copy
22:40
of
22:41
a
22:41
book,
22:42
a
22:42
lot
22:42
of
22:42
times,
22:43
like
22:43
in
22:43
Alberta,
22:44
they
22:45
print
22:45
these
22:45
books.
22:46
If
22:46
I
22:46
order
22:46
one
22:47
copy,
22:47
it's
22:47
printed
22:48
about
22:48
15
22:48
minutes
22:49
from
22:49
my
22:49
house.
22:50
I
22:50
see.
22:51
Like,
22:51
that's
22:51
nice.
22:52
And
22:52
I.
22:52
I
22:52
know
22:53
there
22:53
are.
22:53
Everybody
22:54
has
22:54
different
22:55
reasons
22:55
for
22:56
how
22:56
they
22:57
go
22:57
about
22:57
publishing
22:58
and
22:58
where
22:58
they
22:58
point
22:59
people
22:59
to
22:59
buy,
23:00
but
23:00
for
23:00
me,
23:01
Amazon
23:02
handling
23:03
fulfillment
23:03
and
23:03
doing
23:04
individual,
23:06
like
23:06
Print
23:06
on
23:06
demand
23:08
makes
23:08
it
23:08
possible
23:09
for
23:09
me
23:09
to
23:10
sell
23:10
the
23:10
way
23:11
they
23:11
do
23:11
and
23:11
expand
23:12
the
23:12
reach.
23:12
And
23:13
so
23:13
for
23:13
me,
23:13
I've
23:13
been.
23:14
I
23:14
am
23:14
all
23:15
for
23:15
it.
23:15
I
23:15
think
23:15
it's
23:15
been
23:16
great.
23:16
So,
23:17
yes,
23:17
I
23:17
did
23:17
a
23:18
batch
23:18
that
23:18
I
23:19
printed
23:20
out
23:20
in
23:20
British
23:21
Columbia
23:21
and
23:22
had
23:22
shipped
23:22
to
23:22
me.
23:23
Those
23:23
are
23:23
the
23:23
books
23:23
that
23:23
I
23:24
tend
23:24
to
23:24
take
23:25
to
23:25
my
23:25
workshops.
23:26
Take
23:26
when
23:26
I'm
23:26
doing
23:27
an
23:27
author
23:27
signing,
23:28
I
23:28
will
23:28
send
23:29
out
23:29
as
23:29
gifts
23:30
or
23:30
whatever.
23:30
So
23:30
that's
23:31
my
23:31
base.
23:31
I
23:31
have
23:31
a
23:32
bit.
23:32
I
23:32
have
23:32
a
23:32
whole
23:32
bunch
23:33
of
23:33
boxes.
23:33
And
23:34
then
23:34
I'm
23:35
also
23:35
listed
23:36
on
23:36
Amazon,
23:36
which
23:37
is
23:37
print
23:37
on
23:37
Demand,
23:37
and
23:38
also
23:38
IngramSpark,
23:39
which
23:40
is
23:40
also
23:40
print
23:41
on
23:41
demand.
23:41
And
23:41
that
23:42
gives
23:42
you
23:42
worldwide
23:43
distribution.
23:43
That's
23:44
it.
23:44
Yeah.
23:45
Through
23:45
online
23:46
retailers
23:47
like
23:47
Indigo
23:48
or
23:49
Barnes
23:49
and
23:50
Noble
23:50
in
23:50
the
23:50
States.
23:51
Exactly.
23:51
Yeah.
23:52
Fantastic.
23:53
Now,
23:53
the
23:53
other
23:53
thing
23:54
I
23:54
noticed,
23:54
and
23:56
because
23:56
we're
23:57
an
23:57
independent
23:58
book
23:58
publisher,
23:59
ours
24:00
is
24:00
called
24:00
Caboose,
24:00
the
24:01
Rocky
24:01
Mountain
24:02
Bear
24:02
Publishing
24:03
Den.
24:04
And
24:04
that's
24:04
the
24:04
name
24:05
of
24:05
our
24:05
publishing
24:06
company.
24:06
And
24:06
I
24:07
noticed
24:07
you
24:07
named
24:07
your
24:08
publishing
24:08
company
24:09
after
24:09
your
24:09
own
24:10
book.
24:11
Yes.
24:11
Let's
24:12
talk
24:12
Podcasting
24:13
Inc.
24:13
Yeah,
24:14
I
24:14
incorporated
24:14
a
24:15
whole
24:15
other
24:15
business
24:15
to
24:16
run
24:16
these
24:17
through.
24:17
And
24:17
this
24:17
was
24:17
all
24:17
strategic.
24:18
So
24:19
I
24:19
have
24:19
my
24:19
incorporation
24:20
for
24:21
my
24:21
podcast
24:22
production
24:22
company,
24:23
Lead
24:23
Podcasting
24:24
Inc.
24:25
And
24:25
I
24:25
was
24:26
being
24:26
strategic.
24:26
So
24:26
if
24:27
you
24:27
want
24:27
to
24:27
get
24:27
into
24:27
the
24:27
business
24:27
side
24:28
of
24:28
it,
24:28
I
24:28
was
24:29
first
24:29
thinking,
24:29
oh,
24:30
should
24:30
I
24:30
run
24:30
the
24:30
books
24:31
through
24:31
this
24:31
company.
24:31
But
24:32
you
24:33
know,
24:33
this
24:33
company
24:34
is
24:34
doing
24:34
agency
24:35
like
24:35
service
24:36
based
24:36
production
24:37
work.
24:38
It's
24:38
not
24:39
really
24:39
aligned.
24:40
And
24:40
should
24:41
I
24:41
ever
24:41
want
24:41
to
24:42
sell
24:43
the
24:43
company
24:43
or
24:44
make
24:45
decisions
24:46
for
24:46
that
24:46
agency,
24:48
I
24:48
wouldn't
24:48
want
24:48
the
24:48
book
24:49
to
24:49
be
24:49
affected.
24:49
It
24:50
needs
24:50
to
24:50
be
24:50
separate.
24:51
So
24:51
just
24:51
so
24:51
you
24:52
know,
24:52
my
24:52
question
24:52
strategic.
24:53
Because
24:54
I'd
24:54
like
24:54
the
24:55
listeners
24:55
to
24:55
learn.
24:56
That's
24:56
why
24:57
I
24:57
figured.
24:57
Yes.
24:57
The
24:58
behind
24:58
the
24:58
scenes.
24:59
The
24:59
behind
24:59
the
24:59
scenes.
25:00
Yeah.
25:00
The
25:00
business
25:01
mind
25:01
behind
25:01
it.
25:01
Because
25:02
no
25:02
one
25:02
really
25:02
talks
25:02
about
25:02
it.
25:03
So
25:03
it's
25:03
a
25:03
good
25:03
question.
25:03
Like
25:04
how.
25:04
Why
25:05
this.
25:05
And
25:05
you
25:06
and
25:06
I
25:06
chose
25:06
to
25:07
incorporate
25:08
and
25:08
have
25:08
it
25:08
mainly
25:09
be
25:09
books.
25:09
And
25:10
also
25:10
through
25:10
that
25:10
corporation.
25:11
If
25:11
I'm
25:11
running
25:12
workshops
25:12
or
25:12
anything
25:13
connected
25:13
to
25:13
the
25:13
book,
25:14
it
25:14
goes
25:14
through
25:14
that
25:15
corporation.
25:15
And
25:16
so
25:16
it's
25:16
separate.
25:17
Terrific.
25:17
Terrific.
25:18
I
25:18
was
25:19
looking
25:19
at
25:20
with
25:20
you
25:20
owning
25:21
your
25:21
own
25:21
publishing
25:22
company
25:23
and
25:23
I
25:23
always
25:24
like
25:24
to
25:24
look
25:24
a
25:24
little
25:25
bit
25:25
deeper
25:26
and
25:26
I
25:26
noticed
25:27
you
25:27
gave
25:28
people
25:29
credit
25:30
for
25:30
helping
25:30
you.
25:31
Let's
25:31
start
25:31
with
25:31
the
25:32
publishing
25:32
support
25:32
because
25:33
I
25:33
think
25:33
that's
25:33
what
25:34
you
25:34
call
25:34
it,
25:34
publishing
25:35
support.
25:36
So
25:36
talk
25:37
to
25:37
us
25:37
about
25:37
that
25:38
person
25:39
and
25:39
how
25:39
that
25:40
came
25:40
to
25:40
be.
25:41
Yeah.
25:42
And
25:42
I.
25:42
And
25:42
this
25:42
is
25:43
on
25:43
the
25:43
inside
25:43
cover.
25:44
And
25:45
so
25:45
I
25:45
already
25:45
talked
25:45
about
25:46
the
25:46
illustrator
25:46
and
25:47
designer
25:47
Ladan
25:48
and
25:48
the
25:48
publishing
25:48
support
25:49
is
25:49
what
25:49
kind
25:49
of
25:49
the
25:49
catch
25:50
all.
25:50
It's
25:50
Ishita
25:51
Chopra.
25:52
And
25:52
this
25:52
is
25:53
actually
25:54
a
25:54
student
25:55
who
25:55
interned
25:55
with
25:56
me
25:57
and
25:57
she
25:57
helped
25:58
me
25:58
with
25:58
both
25:58
my
25:58
books.
26:00
And
26:00
I
26:01
just
26:01
felt
26:01
like
26:01
she
26:01
deserved
26:02
to
26:02
have
26:02
her
26:02
name
26:02
on
26:02
the
26:02
inside
26:03
cover
26:03
because
26:03
she
26:03
really
26:04
helped
26:04
with
26:04
just
26:05
getting
26:05
quotes
26:06
for
26:06
publishing
26:07
like
26:07
where
26:07
am
26:07
I
26:07
printing
26:08
it
26:08
for
26:08
my
26:08
copies?
26:09
She
26:10
helped
26:10
register
26:10
my
26:11
ISBN
26:11
numbers,
26:12
which
26:12
is
26:12
free
26:12
to
26:13
do,
26:13
but
26:13
you
26:14
just.
26:14
Have
26:14
to
26:14
fill
26:14
out
26:14
some
26:15
forms
26:15
just
26:15
so
26:15
everyone
26:16
understands.
26:16
Free
26:16
to
26:17
do
26:17
in
26:17
Canada,
26:18
not
26:18
inexpensive
26:19
to
26:19
do
26:20
in
26:20
other
26:20
parts
26:21
of
26:21
the
26:21
world.
26:22
Okay,
26:22
that's
26:22
good
26:23
context.
26:23
Yeah,
26:23
we're
26:24
fortunate
26:24
in
26:24
Canada.
26:25
And
26:25
so
26:26
there's
26:26
a
26:27
couple
26:27
of
26:27
duties
26:28
like
26:28
that
26:28
she
26:28
helped
26:29
with
26:29
and
26:29
also
26:29
was
26:30
the
26:30
one
26:30
who
26:30
came
26:30
with
26:30
me
26:30
to
26:31
the
26:31
bookstores
26:31
and
26:31
picked
26:31
up
26:32
all
26:32
the
26:32
kids
26:32
books.
26:32
And
26:32
we
26:33
talked
26:33
out
26:33
which
26:33
one
26:33
do
26:33
we
26:34
like
26:34
and
26:34
what
26:34
kind
26:35
of
26:35
paper
26:35
do
26:35
we
26:35
think
26:36
helped
26:36
with
26:36
all
26:36
of
26:37
these
26:37
kind
26:37
of
26:38
like
26:38
odd.
26:38
Well,
26:39
I
26:39
think
26:39
I
26:40
love
26:40
that
26:40
story
26:41
we're
26:41
sharing
26:41
with
26:42
our
26:42
guests.
26:43
And
26:43
the
26:43
reason
26:43
I
26:43
want
26:44
to
26:44
tell
26:44
my
26:44
origin
26:45
story
26:45
a
26:45
little
26:45
bit
26:46
is
26:46
that
26:46
when
26:47
I
26:47
looked
26:48
to
26:48
publish
26:49
my
26:49
first
26:49
book
26:49
and
26:50
actually
26:50
I
26:51
wrote
26:51
two
26:51
business
26:52
books
26:52
before
26:52
I
26:53
ever
26:53
wrote
26:54
a
26:54
children's
26:55
book.
26:55
So
26:55
I
26:56
wrote
26:56
two
26:56
books
26:57
on
26:57
investment
26:57
real
26:58
estate.
26:59
And
26:59
when
26:59
I
27:00
went
27:00
to
27:00
write
27:00
the
27:01
book,
27:01
I
27:01
tried
27:01
to
27:01
get
27:02
a
27:02
traditional
27:02
publisher
27:03
and
27:03
all
27:04
that
27:04
kind
27:04
of
27:04
good
27:04
stuff
27:04
and
27:05
eventually
27:05
settled
27:06
on
27:06
independent
27:07
publishing.
27:08
I
27:09
reached
27:09
out
27:09
to
27:09
a
27:09
local
27:10
college
27:10
in
27:10
the
27:10
Edmonton
27:11
area
27:12
and
27:12
said,
27:13
I'm
27:13
looking
27:13
for
27:14
someone
27:14
who
27:14
could
27:14
help
27:15
me
27:15
with
27:15
web
27:16
site
27:16
design
27:17
and
27:17
book
27:18
formatting.
27:19
I
27:19
noticed
27:19
you
27:19
have
27:20
courses
27:20
on
27:20
all
27:20
this
27:21
stuff.
27:21
Do
27:21
you
27:21
have
27:21
a
27:21
student
27:22
in
27:22
mind?
27:23
And
27:23
believe
27:23
it
27:24
or
27:24
not,
27:24
that's
27:25
how
27:25
I
27:26
have
27:26
a
27:26
10
27:26
year
27:27
relationship
27:28
with
27:28
a
27:28
guy
27:29
who
27:30
had
27:30
just
27:30
started
27:31
his
27:31
own
27:31
business,
27:32
was
27:33
maybe
27:33
a
27:33
year
27:34
into
27:34
it,
27:34
and
27:35
him
27:35
and
27:35
I
27:35
have
27:36
gone
27:37
on
27:37
this
27:37
journey
27:37
together.
27:38
So
27:38
he's
27:39
grown
27:39
his
27:39
company
27:39
in
27:40
graphic
27:40
design,
27:41
book
27:41
formatting,
27:42
web
27:43
site
27:43
design.
27:44
I've
27:44
supported
27:45
him
27:45
and
27:45
I've
27:46
tried
27:46
to
27:46
push
27:46
business
27:47
his
27:47
way.
27:47
And
27:48
it
27:48
all
27:48
started
27:48
by
27:49
just
27:49
phoning
27:49
your
27:50
local
27:51
community
27:51
college
27:52
or
27:52
university
27:53
and
27:53
finding
27:53
out
27:54
from
27:55
the
27:55
head
27:55
of
27:55
the
27:55
department,
27:57
how
27:57
did
27:57
you
27:57
find
27:57
your
27:58
person?
27:59
So
27:59
Ishita
28:00
actually
28:00
reached
28:00
out
28:01
to
28:01
me.
28:01
It's
28:01
interesting
28:02
because
28:02
I.
28:02
I
28:03
did
28:03
reach
28:03
out
28:03
to
28:03
a
28:04
college.
28:04
I
28:04
went
28:04
to
28:04
Humber,
28:05
which
28:05
is
28:05
a
28:05
local
28:05
college
28:06
that
28:06
has
28:06
a
28:06
publishing
28:07
program.
28:07
I
28:07
did
28:07
the
28:07
same
28:08
thing
28:08
you
28:08
did.
28:09
I
28:09
ended
28:09
up
28:09
meeting
28:09
some
28:10
really
28:10
neat
28:10
people,
28:10
but
28:11
nobody
28:11
that
28:11
ended
28:12
up
28:12
being
28:12
able
28:13
to
28:13
fit
28:13
the
28:13
kind
28:14
of
28:14
role
28:14
I
28:14
was
28:14
imagining.
28:15
Though
28:15
I
28:16
did
28:16
meet
28:16
one
28:16
gal
28:17
who
28:17
was
28:17
the
28:17
one
28:17
who
28:17
helped
28:18
me
28:18
get
28:18
the
28:18
kindle
28:18
version
28:19
all
28:19
up
28:19
and
28:19
running.
28:20
So
28:20
that
28:20
was
28:20
good
28:21
to
28:21
get
28:21
the
28:22
epub
28:22
file,
28:22
that's
28:23
what
28:23
it's
28:23
called.
28:23
To
28:24
get
28:24
the
28:24
digital
28:25
copy
28:25
of
28:25
the
28:25
book
28:25
available.
28:26
But
28:26
Ishita
28:27
had
28:27
reached
28:27
out
28:28
to
28:28
my
28:28
agency
28:29
to
28:29
see
28:30
if
28:30
she
28:30
could
28:31
help
28:31
with
28:31
podcast
28:32
production.
28:33
And
28:34
I
28:35
didn't
28:35
have
28:35
an
28:36
internship
28:36
available
28:37
on
28:37
that
28:37
side
28:37
of
28:37
things.
28:38
But
28:38
then
28:38
I
28:38
saw
28:39
that
28:39
she
28:40
had
28:40
actually
28:41
written
28:41
as
28:41
a
28:42
teenager.
28:42
She
28:42
had
28:42
written
28:43
a
28:43
kid's
28:43
book.
28:43
This
28:44
was
28:44
part
28:44
of
28:44
her
28:44
resume.
28:45
And
28:46
she
28:46
said
28:46
she
28:47
had
28:47
a
28:47
keen
28:47
interest
28:47
in
28:47
publishing.
28:48
Just
28:48
coincidence
28:49
that
28:49
was
28:49
on
28:49
part
28:49
of
28:49
her
28:50
cover.
28:50
And
28:51
so
28:51
I
28:52
just
28:52
thought,
28:52
oh,
28:52
this
28:52
is
28:52
meant
28:53
to
28:53
be.
28:53
And
28:53
so
28:54
I
28:54
gave
28:54
her
28:55
a
28:55
ring
28:55
and
28:55
told
28:55
her,
28:56
this
28:56
is
28:56
a
28:56
unique
28:57
moment
28:57
in
28:58
time
28:58
where
28:58
I
28:58
have
28:58
to
28:58
get
28:59
both
28:59
these
28:59
books
28:59
out
28:59
the
29:00
door.
29:00
Do
29:00
you
29:00
want
29:00
to
29:00
help?
29:01
And
29:01
so
29:02
she
29:02
did
29:02
a
29:03
portion
29:03
of
29:03
the
29:03
work
29:03
that
29:04
was
29:04
part
29:04
of
29:04
a
29:04
formal
29:05
internship
29:05
and
29:06
then
29:06
a
29:06
portion
29:06
of
29:06
the
29:06
work
29:06
that
29:06
I
29:07
paid
29:07
her
29:07
for
29:08
hourly.
29:09
And
29:09
that,
29:09
yeah,
29:09
it
29:10
was
29:10
just
29:10
a
29:10
great
29:10
working
29:10
relationship,
29:11
but
29:11
I
29:11
just
29:11
feel
29:11
very
29:12
kismet.
29:12
Yeah.
29:12
What
29:13
a
29:13
way
29:13
to
29:13
get
29:13
an
29:13
education,
29:14
too.
29:14
Because
29:15
you
29:15
know
29:15
what
29:15
they
29:16
say,
29:16
the
29:16
best
29:16
education
29:17
is
29:17
doing.
29:18
Yeah,
29:18
exactly.
29:19
Yeah.
29:19
Oh,
29:20
wow.
29:21
Good
29:21
for
29:21
you.
29:21
That's
29:22
fantastic.
29:23
It
29:23
was
29:23
a
29:23
win
29:23
win.
29:24
Did
29:25
the
29:25
illustrator
29:26
do
29:26
the
29:27
COVID
29:27
design
29:27
also?
29:28
Yes.
29:29
So
29:29
the
29:29
illustrator,
29:30
La
29:30
Dan
29:31
is
29:31
somebody
29:32
that
29:32
I've
29:32
worked
29:33
with
29:33
for
29:33
years.
29:34
Okay.
29:35
Me
29:35
and
29:35
her
29:35
used
29:36
to
29:36
work
29:36
at
29:36
a
29:36
digital
29:36
content
29:37
agency
29:37
over
29:38
a
29:38
decade
29:38
ago
29:38
together,
29:39
and
29:40
she
29:40
had
29:40
done
29:41
all
29:41
the
29:41
design
29:41
work.
29:41
I
29:41
knew
29:42
she.
29:42
She
29:42
used
29:42
to
29:43
work
29:43
for
29:43
listeners
29:44
in
29:44
Canada.
29:44
You
29:44
might
29:45
know
29:45
Chickadee
29:45
or
29:45
Owl
29:46
magazine.
29:47
These
29:47
are
29:47
magazines
29:48
for
29:48
kids
29:48
that
29:48
are
29:49
like
29:49
subscription
29:49
based
29:50
and
29:50
still
29:51
run
29:51
into
29:51
this
29:51
day.
29:51
So
29:52
she
29:52
did
29:52
all
29:52
the
29:52
illustrations
29:53
for
29:53
those
29:54
magazines
29:55
in
29:55
its
29:55
early
29:55
days.
29:56
So
29:56
brilliant
29:56
designer.
29:57
Loved
29:57
doing
29:58
kids
29:58
work.
29:59
She
29:59
laid
30:00
out
30:00
my
30:00
adult
30:01
book
30:01
which
30:02
is
30:02
not
30:02
as
30:02
fun
30:02
for
30:03
her
30:04
because
30:04
it's
30:04
very
30:04
tedious
30:05
work
30:05
to
30:05
lay
30:05
out
30:06
a
30:06
novel.
30:07
So
30:07
she
30:07
did
30:08
all
30:08
that
30:08
and
30:09
then
30:10
she
30:10
illustrated
30:11
the
30:11
entirety
30:11
of
30:12
the
30:12
kids
30:12
book.
30:12
Ladan
30:13
also
30:13
created
30:13
the
30:14
logo
30:14
for
30:14
my
30:14
agency
30:15
Lead
30:15
Podcasting.
30:16
So
30:16
her
30:16
design
30:17
work,
30:17
her
30:17
fingerprints
30:18
are
30:18
all
30:18
over
30:19
my
30:19
stuff.
30:19
She's
30:19
so
30:20
talented
30:20
and
30:21
I
30:21
had
30:21
never
30:21
worked
30:21
with
30:21
her
30:22
on
30:22
any
30:22
kids
30:22
products
30:23
though.
30:23
And
30:23
I'm
30:23
so
30:24
happy
30:24
with
30:24
how
30:25
she.
30:25
She
30:26
went
30:26
about
30:26
designing
30:27
it
30:27
especially
30:28
well.
30:28
It's
30:28
the
30:28
image
30:29
of
30:29
me
30:29
able
30:29
to
30:30
align
30:31
yourself
30:31
one
30:31
with
30:32
someone
30:32
who
30:32
had
30:34
the
30:35
creativity
30:36
to
30:36
go
30:36
beyond
30:37
just
30:37
a
30:37
business
30:38
book.
30:38
Yes.
30:39
And
30:39
this
30:40
is
30:40
where
30:40
she
30:40
thrives.
30:40
This
30:41
is
30:41
actually
30:41
her
30:41
sweet
30:42
spot.
30:42
And
30:43
knowing
30:43
me,
30:43
I
30:44
think
30:44
because
30:44
she
30:44
knew
30:44
me,
30:45
she
30:45
was
30:45
able
30:45
to
30:46
turned
30:46
me
30:46
into
30:47
a
30:47
cartoon.
30:48
Even
30:48
better.
30:49
She
30:49
really
30:49
captured
30:50
me.
30:50
But
30:50
I
30:50
think
30:50
it's
30:50
because
30:51
she
30:51
knew
30:51
me.
30:51
I
30:51
think
30:51
that
30:52
was
30:52
part
30:52
of
30:52
the
30:52
magic
30:52
of
30:52
it.
30:53
I
30:53
love
30:53
that
30:54
I
30:54
went
30:54
to
30:54
your
30:54
website.
30:55
Now
30:55
it's
30:56
a
30:57
business
30:57
type
30:58
website.
30:59
Yeah.
30:59
It's
31:00
primary
31:00
focuses
31:01
on
31:01
promoting
31:02
your
31:02
books
31:03
and
31:03
your
31:03
events.
31:05
So
31:05
talk
31:05
to
31:06
us
31:06
about
31:06
who
31:06
designed
31:07
your
31:07
website
31:07
and
31:08
talk
31:08
to
31:08
us
31:08
about
31:08
that
31:09
whole
31:09
strategy
31:09
behind
31:10
your
31:11
website.
31:11
Okay,
31:12
so
31:13
I
31:13
have
31:13
lots
31:13
of
31:14
websites.
31:15
I
31:15
should
31:15
preface
31:16
this.
31:16
I
31:16
have
31:16
Amanda
31:17
Capito.com,
31:18
which
31:18
is
31:19
my
31:19
name
31:20
and
31:20
that's
31:21
the
31:21
what
31:21
I
31:22
call
31:22
is
31:22
the
31:22
like
31:23
center
31:23
of
31:23
the
31:24
star.
31:24
This
31:24
has
31:25
everything
31:25
I
31:25
do
31:26
and
31:26
it
31:26
all
31:27
stems
31:27
from
31:27
this
31:27
website.
31:29
Then
31:29
I
31:29
have
31:29
a
31:30
website
31:30
for
31:30
my
31:30
adult
31:31
book,
31:31
let's
31:31
Talk
31:32
podcasting.
31:32
Com.
31:33
I
31:33
have
31:33
a
31:33
website
31:34
for
31:34
my
31:34
company
31:34
lead
31:35
Podcasting.
31:36
Com
31:36
and
31:37
I
31:37
have
31:37
a
31:37
website
31:37
for
31:38
my
31:38
kids
31:38
book,
31:38
let's
31:38
Talk
31:39
Podcasting
31:39
for
31:39
kids.
31:40
Com.
31:40
I
31:40
bought
31:40
all
31:41
those
31:41
domains.
31:42
Okay.
31:42
And
31:42
that's
31:42
just
31:43
smart
31:43
to
31:43
do
31:43
even
31:44
for
31:44
search
31:44
engine
31:45
optimization
31:45
and
31:46
make
31:46
sure
31:46
nobody
31:47
weird
31:47
gets
31:47
the
31:47
exact
31:48
name
31:48
of
31:48
your
31:48
book.
31:49
I
31:49
already
31:50
claimed
31:50
those
31:50
domains
31:51
the
31:51
moment
31:51
I
31:51
knew
31:52
these
31:52
were
31:52
going
31:52
to
31:52
be
31:52
the
31:53
titles.
31:54
I
31:54
built
31:54
out
31:55
the
31:56
let's
31:56
Talk
31:56
podcasting
31:57
for
31:57
Kids.com,
31:58
which
31:58
is
31:58
the
31:59
website
31:59
that
31:59
is
31:59
point
32:00
the
32:00
book
32:00
Kids
32:01
Book
32:01
points
32:01
to
32:01
in
32:02
the
32:02
back.
32:03
That
32:03
was
32:03
built
32:04
out
32:04
by
32:05
myself
32:06
and
32:06
with
32:07
the
32:07
help
32:07
of
32:08
an
32:08
intern.
32:09
It
32:09
was
32:09
very
32:09
bootstrapped.
32:11
It's
32:11
in
32:11
Squarespace
32:12
and
32:12
I
32:12
like
32:12
Squarespace
32:13
because
32:13
it
32:13
really
32:14
allows
32:14
you
32:14
to
32:14
make
32:15
a
32:15
professional
32:15
looking
32:16
website.
32:16
And
32:16
I
32:17
want
32:17
to
32:17
pick
32:17
up
32:17
on
32:17
one
32:18
thing
32:18
you
32:18
said
32:18
because
32:19
I
32:19
want
32:19
to
32:19
repeat
32:20
it
32:20
for
32:21
our
32:21
listeners.
32:22
Yes.
32:22
You
32:23
said
32:23
that
32:23
you
32:24
put
32:24
your
32:25
website
32:26
on
32:26
the
32:26
back
32:27
of
32:27
your
32:27
book.
32:28
Yeah.
32:28
Okay.
32:29
And
32:29
I
32:29
want
32:29
to
32:30
emphasize
32:30
that
32:30
to
32:31
new
32:32
children's
32:32
book
32:33
authors
32:33
or
32:33
aspiring
32:34
children's
32:34
book
32:34
authority
32:35
authors.
32:36
Make
32:36
sure
32:36
if
32:37
you
32:37
have
32:37
a
32:37
website
32:38
that
32:39
you
32:39
put
32:40
it
32:40
on
32:40
your
32:40
book.
32:41
Because
32:41
so
32:41
many
32:42
times
32:42
I'll
32:43
buy
32:43
children's
32:43
books
32:44
and
32:44
I'll
32:44
go
32:45
to
32:45
look
32:45
for
32:45
the
32:46
author's
32:46
website
32:47
or
32:47
the
32:47
book's
32:47
website,
32:48
and
32:49
it's
32:49
not
32:49
on
32:50
the
32:50
book.
32:51
And
32:51
then
32:51
when
32:51
I
32:51
talk
32:52
to
32:52
the
32:52
author,
32:53
they
32:53
say,
32:53
oh,
32:53
yeah,
32:53
I
32:54
have
32:54
a
32:54
website.
32:54
And
32:55
so
32:55
then
32:55
I
32:55
ask
32:56
them
32:56
and
32:56
they
32:56
say,
32:57
oh.
32:58
And
32:58
it's
32:58
almost
32:58
like
32:59
a
32:59
aha
33:00
moment.
33:01
Right?
33:01
Yeah.
33:02
So
33:02
I
33:02
just
33:02
want
33:03
to
33:03
share
33:03
that.
33:03
So
33:03
thank
33:04
you
33:04
for
33:04
mentioning
33:04
that.
33:05
Yes.
33:06
No,
33:06
it's
33:06
good.
33:06
And
33:06
that
33:07
was
33:07
strategic.
33:07
And
33:08
I
33:08
always
33:08
knew
33:09
that
33:09
I
33:09
was
33:09
going
33:09
to
33:09
launch
33:10
the
33:10
app
33:10
podcastingforkids.org
33:12
and
33:12
I
33:12
thought,
33:12
oh,
33:12
do
33:13
I
33:13
put
33:13
that
33:13
website
33:13
too?
33:14
But
33:14
I
33:14
knew
33:14
it
33:15
wouldn't
33:15
be
33:15
ready
33:15
in
33:15
time
33:15
for
33:16
the
33:16
book.
33:16
So
33:16
my
33:16
plan
33:17
is
33:17
that's
33:18
again
33:18
my
33:18
star
33:18
of
33:19
all
33:19
these
33:19
websites.
33:20
So
33:20
once
33:21
that
33:21
is
33:21
live,
33:22
there
33:22
will
33:22
be
33:22
a
33:22
big
33:22
banner
33:23
on
33:23
letstalkingforkids.com
33:25
that
33:25
will
33:26
also
33:26
prompt
33:27
people
33:27
to
33:28
go
33:28
check
33:28
that
33:28
out
33:29
so
33:29
they
33:29
can
33:30
try
33:30
to
33:30
make
33:30
their
33:30
own
33:30
podcast.
33:31
My
33:31
website,
33:31
I
33:32
will
33:32
say
33:32
too,
33:32
for
33:33
my
33:33
kids
33:33
and
33:34
for
33:34
anybody
33:34
who's
33:34
writing
33:35
a
33:35
kid's
33:35
book,
33:35
it's.
33:35
You
33:36
could
33:36
make
33:36
your
33:36
website.
33:36
You
33:37
could
33:37
keep
33:37
editing
33:37
your
33:37
website
33:38
forever.
33:38
You
33:38
could
33:38
always
33:38
make
33:39
it
33:39
better.
33:39
Yeah.
33:39
So
33:40
you
33:40
gotta
33:40
just.
33:40
It's
33:40
in
33:40
it.
33:41
It's
33:41
iterations.
33:41
You
33:42
don't
33:42
have
33:42
to
33:42
have
33:42
it
33:42
perfect.
33:43
So
33:43
I
33:43
just
33:43
put
33:43
it
33:44
up.
33:44
It
33:44
was
33:44
so
33:44
simple.
33:45
It
33:45
was
33:45
two
33:45
pages.
33:46
I
33:46
got
33:46
an
33:46
intern
33:47
in
33:47
who
33:47
could
33:47
upload
33:48
a
33:48
gallery
33:48
of
33:48
photos.
33:49
I
33:49
went,
33:49
great,
33:49
you
33:49
could
33:50
work
33:50
on
33:50
that.
33:50
And
33:51
so
33:51
we're
33:51
just
33:51
adding
33:52
to
33:52
it
33:52
slowly.
33:52
And
33:53
even
33:53
this
33:53
interview,
33:54
I'm
33:54
excited
33:54
to
33:54
embed
33:55
it
33:55
on
33:55
my
33:55
website
33:55
once
33:56
it
33:56
comes
33:56
out.
33:57
So,
33:57
like,
33:57
of
33:58
course.
33:59
I
34:00
love
34:00
what
34:00
you
34:00
said
34:01
again.
34:01
And
34:01
it's
34:01
such
34:01
a
34:02
really
34:02
a
34:03
big
34:03
nugget
34:04
to
34:05
share.
34:05
And
34:06
that
34:06
is
34:07
done
34:07
is
34:07
better
34:08
than
34:08
perfect.
34:09
I
34:09
need
34:10
to
34:10
say
34:10
that
34:10
not
34:11
only
34:11
was
34:11
Amanda
34:12
talking
34:12
about
34:13
website,
34:15
but
34:15
also
34:15
your
34:16
children's
34:16
book.
34:17
If
34:17
you.
34:17
Especially
34:17
if
34:18
you're
34:18
an
34:18
independent
34:20
book
34:21
author,
34:21
whether
34:21
you're
34:22
a
34:22
children's
34:22
book
34:22
author
34:23
or
34:23
you're
34:23
an
34:24
independent
34:24
business
34:25
book
34:25
author.
34:25
What
34:25
kind
34:26
of.
34:26
You
34:27
have
34:29
literary
34:29
license
34:30
to
34:30
go
34:30
in
34:31
and
34:31
make
34:31
those
34:31
changes
34:32
later.
34:33
If
34:33
perfect
34:33
is
34:34
holding
34:34
you
34:35
back,
34:35
get
34:36
off
34:36
of
34:36
it
34:36
and
34:37
get
34:37
on
34:37
to
34:37
done.
34:38
Yeah.
34:38
And
34:38
then
34:39
you
34:39
can
34:39
make
34:39
it
34:40
Better
34:40
down
34:41
the
34:41
road.
34:41
And
34:42
there's
34:42
no
34:42
perfect
34:42
in
34:43
creative
34:43
work
34:43
is
34:43
what
34:44
I
34:44
believe.
34:44
Like
34:44
you
34:44
could
34:45
just.
34:45
There's
34:46
no
34:46
moment
34:46
that
34:46
it's.
34:47
Everything
34:47
is
34:47
exactly
34:48
right
34:48
because
34:48
then
34:49
you
34:49
change,
34:49
something
34:49
else
34:50
changes.
34:50
Like
34:50
bingo.
34:51
You
34:51
gotta
34:52
just
34:52
ship
34:53
it.
34:53
That's
34:53
what
34:53
we
34:53
say
34:53
in
34:53
business,
34:54
ship
34:54
it.
34:55
I
34:55
love
34:56
it.
34:56
I
34:56
love
34:56
it.
34:57
Now,
34:58
I
34:58
know
34:58
you
34:58
talked
34:59
a
34:59
bit
34:59
about
35:00
I
35:00
love
35:00
it.
35:01
Amanda
35:01
is
35:03
one
35:03
of
35:03
the
35:03
main
35:04
characters
35:04
in
35:04
her
35:05
book.
35:05
I
35:05
actually
35:06
believe
35:06
Amanda
35:07
is
35:07
the
35:08
two
35:08
main
35:08
characters
35:09
in
35:09
her
35:09
book.
35:09
And
35:09
we'll
35:09
get
35:10
to
35:10
that
35:10
in
35:10
a
35:10
moment.
35:11
Amanda,
35:12
was
35:12
there
35:12
a
35:12
specific
35:13
person
35:14
or
35:15
event
35:15
if
35:15
you
35:16
went
35:16
back
35:16
a
35:16
bit
35:17
further,
35:17
further
35:17
from
35:17
what
35:18
motivated
35:18
you?
35:18
I
35:19
know
35:19
you
35:19
talked
35:19
about
35:20
this
35:20
children's
35:21
book
35:21
idea
35:21
came
35:21
to
35:22
you
35:22
as
35:22
you
35:23
were
35:23
revising
35:23
go
35:24
from
35:24
first
35:24
edition
35:25
to
35:25
second
35:25
edition.
35:26
But
35:26
was
35:26
there
35:26
a
35:27
specific
35:27
person
35:27
or
35:28
event
35:28
that
35:29
really
35:29
was
35:30
the
35:30
catalyst
35:31
behind
35:31
your
35:31
children's
35:32
book?
35:33
I
35:33
did
35:34
a
35:34
workshop
35:35
for
35:35
Girl
35:35
Guides
35:36
in
35:36
Canada
35:37
and
35:39
that
35:39
was
35:41
two
35:41
years
35:42
ago.
35:43
It
35:43
was
35:43
the
35:44
first
35:44
workshop
35:44
for
35:45
kids
35:45
that
35:45
I
35:45
ran.
35:46
So
35:46
there
35:46
was
35:46
two
35:46
that
35:46
I
35:47
did
35:47
back
35:47
to
35:47
back
35:47
this
35:48
one
35:48
and
35:48
then
35:48
I
35:48
did
35:48
a
35:48
summer
35:49
camp
35:49
shortly
35:50
after.
35:51
And
35:51
the
35:51
girl
35:52
guys
35:52
were
35:52
actually
35:53
brownies
35:53
now,
35:54
recalled
35:54
Embers,
35:55
I
35:55
think.
35:55
So
35:55
around
35:55
that
35:56
age
35:56
of
35:56
six
35:56
to
35:56
eight
35:57
again.
35:57
And
35:58
then
35:58
I
35:58
did
35:58
a
35:58
kids
35:58
camp
35:59
where
35:59
they
35:59
were
35:59
all
36:00
around
36:00
nine
36:01
or
36:01
ten.
36:02
Summer
36:03
camp.
36:03
Okay.
36:04
So
36:04
I
36:04
did
36:04
these
36:04
two
36:04
events
36:05
back
36:05
to
36:05
back.
36:06
And
36:07
the
36:07
Girl
36:08
Guides
36:09
were
36:09
so
36:10
into
36:10
podcasting.
36:11
I
36:12
played
36:12
a
36:12
clip,
36:12
I
36:12
said,
36:13
let's
36:13
just
36:13
see
36:13
how
36:13
long
36:13
they
36:14
listen.
36:14
Audio
36:14
only.
36:15
They
36:15
listened
36:16
to
36:17
an
36:18
eight
36:18
minute
36:18
clip,
36:19
no
36:19
pictures.
36:20
And
36:20
they
36:21
were
36:21
sitting,
36:21
listening.
36:22
And
36:22
that
36:23
was
36:23
the
36:23
end
36:23
of
36:23
the
36:23
episode.
36:23
And
36:24
they
36:24
were
36:24
like,
36:24
oh,
36:25
we
36:25
want
36:25
to
36:25
hear
36:25
more.
36:27
It's
36:27
done.
36:27
That's
36:28
the
36:28
episode.
36:28
You
36:28
got
36:28
to
36:28
listen
36:29
more
36:29
like,
36:29
I
36:29
couldn't
36:30
believe
36:30
it.
36:30
And
36:31
here
36:31
is
36:31
this
36:32
notion
36:32
that
36:32
we
36:33
all
36:33
hear
36:33
that
36:33
kids
36:34
have
36:34
no
36:34
attention
36:34
span.
36:35
You
36:35
got
36:35
seconds
36:36
they
36:36
were
36:37
in.
36:37
So
36:37
I
36:37
went,
36:37
wow,
36:38
that's
36:38
special.
36:39
Then
36:40
I
36:40
was
36:41
at
36:41
the
36:41
summer
36:41
camp
36:42
a
36:43
couple
36:43
months
36:43
later,
36:43
again
36:44
around
36:44
10
36:44
years
36:44
old.
36:45
And
36:45
I
36:45
knew
36:45
my
36:46
second
36:46
edition
36:46
of
36:46
my
36:46
book
36:47
was
36:47
coming
36:47
out.
36:47
And
36:47
so
36:47
I
36:48
actually
36:48
had
36:48
a
36:48
lot
36:48
of
36:49
first
36:49
editions,
36:50
copies
36:50
left
36:51
that
36:51
I
36:51
was
36:51
just
36:51
given
36:52
out
36:52
for
36:52
free
36:53
just
36:53
to
36:53
make
36:53
a
36:53
move
36:53
before
36:54
we
36:54
get
36:54
out
36:54
the
36:55
second
36:55
edition.
36:55
And
36:56
I
36:56
just
36:56
thought,
36:56
oh,
36:56
I
36:57
don't
36:57
have
36:57
anything
36:57
to
36:57
give
36:57
these
36:58
10
36:58
year
36:58
olds.
36:58
I
36:58
guess
36:58
I'll
36:59
just
36:59
give
36:59
them
36:59
my
36:59
adult
36:59
book.
37:00
And
37:00
you
37:01
should
37:01
have
37:01
seen
37:01
these
37:01
girls
37:02
lining
37:02
up
37:03
to
37:03
get
37:03
my
37:04
book
37:04
and
37:04
to
37:05
get
37:05
my
37:05
signature.
37:06
And
37:06
this
37:07
is
37:07
the
37:07
adult
37:07
book.
37:07
I
37:08
just
37:08
love
37:09
this.
37:09
Oh
37:10
my
37:10
goodness,
37:10
it's
37:10
such
37:10
a
37:10
sweet
37:11
photo
37:11
of
37:11
them
37:11
all
37:12
in
37:12
a
37:12
line
37:12
holding
37:13
proudly
37:13
holding
37:13
my
37:14
adult
37:14
novel
37:15
about
37:15
podcasting.
37:16
And
37:16
I
37:17
just.
37:18
My
37:18
heart
37:18
was
37:19
like,
37:19
they
37:19
deserve
37:20
something
37:20
for
37:20
them.
37:21
So,
37:21
yeah,
37:21
like,
37:21
that
37:22
kind
37:22
of
37:22
all
37:22
definitely
37:23
was
37:24
stirring
37:24
up
37:24
inside
37:25
of
37:25
me.
37:25
And
37:25
it
37:25
came
37:26
together
37:26
as
37:27
soon
37:27
as
37:27
I
37:27
read
37:27
that
37:27
stat.
37:28
But,
37:28
yeah,
37:29
that's
37:29
terrific.
37:30
That's
37:30
terrific.
37:30
I
37:31
want
37:31
to
37:31
get
37:31
into
37:31
character
37:32
development
37:33
a
37:33
little
37:33
because
37:34
I
37:34
know
37:35
you're
37:35
one
37:35
of
37:35
the
37:35
main
37:36
stars
37:36
now.
37:37
It's
37:37
interesting
37:38
because
37:38
I
37:38
mentioned
37:39
to
37:39
you
37:39
that
37:39
my
37:40
granddaughter
37:41
Kira
37:42
is
37:42
actually
37:42
the
37:42
inspiration
37:43
behind
37:43
Caboose.
37:44
Caboose
37:45
does
37:45
have
37:45
a
37:45
papa,
37:46
which
37:46
that's
37:47
what
37:47
my
37:47
grandchildren
37:48
call
37:48
me.
37:48
Papa.
37:49
I'm
37:49
actually
37:50
bear
37:51
in
37:52
the
37:52
book.
37:53
And
37:53
it's
37:53
fun
37:54
when
37:54
you
37:54
actually.
37:56
Now
37:56
nobody
37:56
knows
37:57
I'm
37:57
the
37:57
bear
37:57
except
37:58
for
37:58
me
37:58
telling
37:58
you
37:58
right
37:59
now
37:59
that
37:59
I'm
37:59
the
38:00
bear.
38:00
It's
38:00
like
38:00
a
38:00
little
38:00
Easter
38:01
egg.
38:01
Exactly,
38:02
Exactly.
38:03
When
38:03
we
38:04
start
38:04
to
38:05
go
38:05
through
38:05
your
38:06
children's
38:06
book,
38:07
it
38:08
starts
38:08
with
38:08
you
38:08
as
38:09
an
38:09
adult.
38:10
Yeah.
38:10
Which
38:10
is
38:10
cool.
38:11
And
38:11
so
38:11
guess
38:12
what?
38:13
In
38:13
40
38:13
years,
38:14
you'll
38:14
still
38:14
look
38:15
the
38:15
same.
38:16
Great.
38:16
I.
38:17
Yeah,
38:17
exactly.
38:18
Yes.
38:19
Keep
38:19
myself
38:20
looking
38:20
like
38:20
this.
38:20
Yeah.
38:21
And
38:22
the
38:22
other
38:22
character
38:24
was.
38:24
Is
38:24
that
38:25
you
38:25
as
38:25
a
38:25
child?
38:26
No.
38:26
You
38:27
know
38:27
what
38:27
I
38:27
wanted
38:28
to
38:28
make
38:28
it
38:28
as
38:29
so
38:30
to
38:30
describe
38:30
the
38:30
child.
38:31
If
38:31
anybody's
38:31
listening
38:32
to
38:32
the
38:32
audio
38:32
only
38:32
version
38:33
of
38:33
this,
38:34
it's
38:34
like
38:34
purple
38:35
skin,
38:36
purple
38:36
curly
38:37
hair.
38:38
And
38:39
I
38:39
actually
38:39
just
38:40
wanted
38:40
this
38:40
child
38:40
to.
38:41
I
38:41
was
38:41
trying
38:41
to
38:41
make
38:42
it
38:42
the
38:42
most
38:43
ambiguous
38:44
on
38:44
all
38:45
fronts.
38:45
I
38:45
wanted
38:46
this
38:46
to
38:46
be
38:46
anyone.
38:47
I
38:47
wanted
38:47
anyone
38:47
to
38:47
look
38:48
at
38:48
this
38:48
and
38:49
see
38:49
themselves
38:49
in
38:49
it.
38:50
And
38:50
so
38:50
you'll
38:50
see
38:51
it's
38:51
a
38:51
pretty
38:51
gender
38:52
neutral
38:52
child.
38:53
Terrific.
38:54
And
38:54
culturally
38:55
agnostic.
38:55
On
38:56
purpose.
38:56
All
38:57
on
38:57
purpose
38:57
to
38:57
be
38:57
like.
38:58
I
38:58
just
38:59
hoped
38:59
that
39:00
a
39:00
lot
39:00
of
39:00
kids
39:01
could
39:01
see
39:01
themselves
39:02
in
39:02
it.
39:02
That
39:02
was
39:02
the
39:02
goal
39:03
with
39:03
the
39:03
child
39:03
care.
39:04
Nice
39:04
touch.
39:05
Nice
39:05
touch.
39:06
Yeah.
39:07
And.
39:08
But
39:08
then
39:08
you
39:08
do
39:08
see
39:08
that
39:09
the
39:09
kid
39:09
who's
39:10
nameless
39:10
because
39:11
it's
39:11
just
39:11
meant
39:12
to
39:12
be
39:12
the
39:12
reader.
39:13
It.
39:13
They
39:14
end
39:14
up
39:14
doing
39:15
a
39:15
story
39:16
about
39:16
their
39:17
family,
39:17
which
39:17
I
39:18
am
39:18
known
39:18
to
39:18
do.
39:18
I
39:19
was
39:19
always
39:19
recording
39:20
my
39:20
family
39:20
family
39:21
growing
39:21
up.
39:22
And
39:22
even
39:22
as
39:22
I
39:22
got
39:23
into
39:23
audio
39:23
professionally,
39:24
I
39:24
just
39:24
thought,
39:24
oh,
39:24
I
39:25
want
39:25
to
39:25
capture
39:26
these
39:26
moments
39:27
through
39:27
audio.
39:28
And
39:28
there's
39:29
this
39:29
really
39:29
cute
39:30
illustration
39:31
of
39:31
them,
39:31
like,
39:32
holding
39:32
up
39:32
the
39:33
phone
39:33
to
39:33
their
39:33
granny
39:34
and
39:35
sharing
39:35
stories.
39:36
And
39:36
I
39:37
feel
39:37
I've
39:38
always
39:38
been
39:38
passionate
39:39
about
39:40
legacies,
39:41
oral
39:41
histories,
39:42
and
39:43
listening
39:43
to
39:43
stories
39:43
from
39:44
my
39:44
grandparents,
39:45
which
39:45
I
39:45
am
39:45
so
39:46
lucky
39:46
to
39:46
still
39:46
have
39:46
three
39:47
of
39:47
them
39:47
alive.
39:48
And
39:49
that
39:50
sharing
39:51
the
39:52
storytelling
39:53
and
39:53
passing
39:54
it
39:54
down
39:54
is
39:55
so
39:55
special.
39:56
And
39:56
so
39:57
that
39:57
interaction
39:58
is
39:58
definitely
39:59
inspired
40:00
by
40:00
what
40:00
I
40:01
appreciate
40:02
and
40:02
value.
40:02
And
40:03
it
40:03
was
40:03
really
40:03
sweet
40:03
because
40:04
I
40:04
have.
40:05
My
40:05
cousin
40:05
has
40:06
a
40:06
child,
40:06
and
40:06
so
40:07
we
40:07
share
40:07
A
40:07
grandmother.
40:08
And
40:08
it's
40:08
a
40:08
great
40:08
grandmother
40:09
to
40:09
this
40:09
child.
40:10
And
40:10
that
40:10
child
40:11
said,
40:12
it's
40:12
me
40:12
interviewing
40:13
Nanina.
40:13
And
40:14
it's
40:14
like
40:15
that
40:16
she
40:16
saw
40:16
herself
40:16
in
40:16
it,
40:17
and
40:17
she
40:17
saw
40:17
herself
40:17
interviewing
40:18
her
40:18
great
40:18
grandma.
40:19
And
40:19
I
40:19
was
40:19
like,
40:19
that's
40:20
perfect.
40:20
That's
40:20
exactly
40:21
what
40:21
I
40:21
want
40:21
it.
40:21
Nice.
40:22
That's
40:22
fantastic.
40:23
Yeah.
40:23
Because
40:23
it's
40:24
interesting
40:24
you
40:24
should
40:24
say
40:25
that,
40:25
too,
40:25
because
40:26
when
40:26
I
40:26
got
40:27
this
40:27
whole
40:27
idea
40:28
about
40:28
podcasting,
40:29
I
40:30
actually
40:31
did
40:32
nine
40:32
episodes
40:34
on
40:35
investment
40:35
real
40:36
estate.
40:36
And
40:37
during
40:38
COVID
40:38
after
40:38
I
40:39
had
40:39
written
40:39
my
40:39
book,
40:39
I
40:40
thought,
40:40
okay,
40:40
I
40:40
better
40:41
build
40:41
a
40:41
supporting
40:42
podcast
40:43
show.
40:44
And
40:44
while
40:44
I
40:44
was
40:45
doing
40:45
all
40:45
that,
40:45
I
40:46
found
40:47
I
40:47
was
40:47
getting
40:47
engaged
40:48
with
40:48
my
40:49
grandchildren
40:49
because
40:50
they
40:50
were
40:50
frustrated
40:51
over
40:52
this
40:52
whole
40:52
Covid
40:52
thing.
40:53
So
40:53
I
40:53
actually
40:54
had
40:54
them
40:54
come
40:54
over
40:55
and
40:55
I
40:55
interviewed
40:56
them
40:56
about
40:57
this
40:57
whole
40:58
experience.
40:59
Wow.
41:00
So
41:00
I
41:01
haven't
41:01
gone
41:01
back
41:01
and
41:02
listened,
41:02
but
41:03
I'm
41:03
going
41:03
to
41:03
have
41:03
to
41:04
do
41:04
that
41:04
because
41:05
I
41:05
asked
41:05
them
41:06
some
41:06
pretty
41:06
pointed
41:07
questions
41:08
about
41:08
this
41:09
whole
41:09
Covid
41:10
experience,
41:11
which
41:11
I
41:11
hope
41:12
no
41:12
one
41:12
has
41:12
to
41:12
live
41:13
through
41:13
again.
41:13
Yeah.
41:14
But
41:14
at
41:14
least
41:14
I
41:15
have
41:15
their
41:15
words
41:16
in
41:16
their
41:16
young
41:16
voices.
41:17
What
41:18
a
41:18
neat
41:18
time
41:18
capsule.
41:19
Absolutely.
41:20
Thank
41:20
you
41:20
for
41:20
sharing
41:21
about
41:21
the
41:21
whole
41:22
character
41:22
development
41:23
and
41:23
the
41:24
family.
41:24
Let's
41:25
talk
41:25
a
41:25
little
41:25
bit
41:26
about
41:26
your
41:27
theme
41:28
when
41:28
you
41:29
started
41:29
to
41:29
put
41:30
this
41:30
whole
41:30
thing
41:30
together.
41:31
And
41:31
I
41:31
love
41:31
how
41:31
you
41:32
started
41:32
off
41:32
and
41:33
when
41:33
you
41:33
were
41:33
with
41:34
your
41:34
children's
41:35
book
41:35
and
41:35
you
41:35
gave
41:36
us
41:36
a
41:36
little
41:36
bit
41:36
of
41:37
a
41:37
history
41:37
lesson.
41:38
And
41:38
I
41:38
loved
41:38
how
41:38
you
41:39
took
41:39
it
41:39
back
41:40
to.
41:40
I
41:40
think
41:40
you
41:41
said
41:41
that
41:42
podcasting
41:43
originated
41:43
in
41:44
about
41:44
2004.
41:46
And
41:47
I
41:47
loved
41:47
what
41:48
you
41:48
said
41:48
in
41:48
the
41:48
book
41:48
was.
41:49
And
41:49
that's
41:50
older
41:51
than
41:51
you
41:51
or.
41:52
Yes.
41:53
Yeah,
41:53
I
41:53
love
41:54
that
41:54
part.
41:54
But
41:55
you
41:55
know
41:55
what?
41:55
2004
41:57
isn't
41:57
that
41:58
long
41:59
ago.
41:59
Yeah.
42:00
That's
42:00
why
42:00
it's
42:00
a
42:00
context.
42:01
So
42:01
I
42:02
had.
42:02
I
42:02
was
42:02
struggling
42:03
with
42:03
that
42:03
line
42:03
a
42:03
little
42:03
bit
42:04
because
42:04
I
42:04
had
42:04
said.
42:05
Because
42:05
this
42:05
book
42:05
was.
42:06
It
42:06
was
42:07
going
42:07
to
42:07
be
42:07
more
42:07
than
42:07
20
42:08
years
42:08
old
42:08
at
42:09
that
42:09
point,
42:09
and
42:09
that's
42:10
what
42:10
I
42:10
had
42:10
originally
42:10
wrote.
42:11
And
42:12
then
42:12
actually,
42:13
one
42:13
of
42:13
my
42:13
editors
42:14
was
42:14
the
42:14
one
42:14
who
42:15
said,
42:15
why
42:15
don't
42:15
you
42:15
just
42:16
say?
42:16
Because
42:16
I
42:16
said,
42:16
oh,
42:16
but
42:17
it'll
42:17
be
42:17
more
42:17
than
42:17
20
42:17
years
42:17
old,
42:18
then
42:18
the
42:19
book
42:19
will
42:19
be
42:19
dated.
42:20
I
42:20
was
42:20
trying
42:20
not
42:20
to
42:21
date
42:21
it.
42:21
And
42:21
one
42:21
of
42:21
my
42:21
editors
42:22
was
42:22
the
42:22
one
42:22
who
42:22
said,
42:22
why
42:23
don't
42:23
you
42:23
just
42:23
say
42:24
that
42:24
means
42:24
they're
42:24
older
42:25
than
42:25
you?
42:25
Because
42:26
it's
42:26
always
42:26
going
42:27
to
42:27
be
42:27
a
42:27
book
42:27
for
42:27
five
42:27
to
42:28
eight
42:28
year
42:28
olds,
42:28
and
42:28
it'll
42:29
always
42:29
be
42:29
older
42:29
than
42:30
them.
42:30
And
42:30
I'm
42:30
like,
42:30
perfect.
42:31
Absolutely.
42:32
Yeah.
42:32
And
42:32
it's
42:33
funny,
42:33
too,
42:33
because
42:34
I've
42:34
been
42:34
talking
42:34
lately
42:35
about
42:36
our
42:36
best
42:37
renewable
42:38
resource
42:39
is
42:40
our
42:40
Children.
42:41
Yeah,
42:42
they
42:42
just
42:42
keep
42:43
coming.
42:43
Yeah.
42:44
You
42:44
know
42:45
what
42:45
you
42:45
get.
42:45
And
42:46
you
42:46
get
42:46
new
42:46
5
42:47
to
42:47
9
42:47
year
42:47
olds
42:48
all
42:48
the
42:48
time.
42:49
Yes.
42:50
So
42:50
that's
42:50
right.
42:51
And
42:51
that's
42:51
why
42:51
I've
42:52
been
42:52
trying
42:52
to
42:52
tell
42:52
people
42:53
when
42:53
they're
42:53
promoting
42:54
their
42:54
book
42:54
to
42:55
realize
42:55
that
42:56
you
42:56
have
42:56
an
42:57
evergreen
42:57
product.
42:58
Yeah.
42:58
It'll
42:59
not
42:59
go
42:59
out
43:00
of
43:00
trend
43:00
because
43:01
your
43:01
audience
43:02
could
43:02
be
43:02
4
43:02
to
43:02
10
43:03
or
43:03
5
43:03
to
43:03
9
43:04
or
43:04
whatever,
43:04
but
43:05
they're
43:05
always
43:05
coming
43:06
back
43:07
into
43:07
the
43:08
picture.
43:08
Yep,
43:09
exactly.
43:10
And
43:10
I
43:10
purposely
43:11
wrote
43:11
it
43:11
that
43:11
way
43:11
to
43:12
say
43:12
that
43:12
let's
43:12
let
43:13
this
43:13
book
43:13
last
43:13
beyond
43:14
this
43:14
cohort
43:15
of
43:15
5
43:16
to
43:16
9
43:16
year
43:16
olds.
43:17
Couldn't
43:17
agree
43:17
with
43:17
you
43:18
more.
43:18
So
43:18
talk
43:18
to
43:18
us
43:19
about
43:19
your
43:19
theme.
43:19
How
43:20
did
43:20
you
43:20
develop
43:20
the
43:21
theme
43:21
when
43:22
you
43:22
were
43:22
thinking
43:23
about
43:23
a
43:23
children's
43:24
audience?
43:25
I
43:25
always
43:26
knew
43:26
that
43:26
I
43:26
had
43:27
to
43:27
give
43:27
some
43:27
historical
43:28
context
43:28
because
43:28
I
43:28
think
43:29
that's
43:29
important.
43:29
So
43:30
that's
43:30
how
43:30
we
43:30
start
43:30
the
43:30
definition,
43:31
where
43:31
it
43:32
came
43:32
from.
43:32
And
43:32
this
43:32
is
43:33
actually
43:33
how
43:33
I
43:33
run
43:33
all
43:33
my
43:34
workshops.
43:34
So
43:34
it
43:34
really
43:35
was
43:35
a
43:36
tried
43:36
and
43:36
true
43:36
method
43:37
of
43:37
then
43:37
I
43:37
was,
43:38
how
43:38
do
43:38
I
43:38
break
43:38
down
43:39
production,
43:39
but
43:40
for
43:40
a
43:40
child,
43:41
and
43:41
really
43:42
coming
43:42
down
43:42
to
43:42
the
43:42
basics,
43:43
which
43:43
the
43:44
production
43:44
steps
43:45
listed
43:45
are
43:45
truly
43:46
the
43:46
same
43:46
steps
43:47
if
43:47
you
43:47
were
43:47
adult,
43:48
just
43:48
not
43:49
as
43:49
nuanced.
43:49
But
43:51
with
43:51
my
43:51
company,
43:52
we
43:52
always
43:52
break
43:53
down
43:53
our
43:54
production.
43:54
So
43:55
if
43:55
you
43:55
go
43:55
to
43:55
our
43:55
website,
43:55
our
43:56
corporate
43:56
website,
43:56
we
43:57
say
43:57
we
43:57
work
43:57
on
43:57
four
43:58
steps.
43:59
Show
43:59
development,
43:59
episode
44:00
mapping,
44:01
production,
44:02
and
44:02
then
44:02
distribution.
44:03
So
44:04
how
44:04
can
44:04
I
44:04
break
44:05
that
44:05
down
44:05
for
44:05
kids?
44:05
So
44:06
it's
44:06
like,
44:07
what
44:07
is
44:07
the
44:07
theme
44:08
of
44:08
your
44:08
show?
44:09
That's
44:10
your
44:10
show
44:10
development,
44:11
who's
44:11
gonna
44:12
be
44:12
talking
44:12
and
44:12
how
44:13
many
44:13
episodes.
44:14
That's
44:14
your
44:14
episode
44:14
mapping,
44:15
your
44:16
production.
44:16
I
44:17
put
44:17
a
44:17
couple
44:17
pages
44:18
on
44:18
saying
44:18
that
44:18
they
44:18
could
44:19
record
44:19
it
44:19
on
44:19
their
44:19
phone
44:20
or
44:20
they
44:20
could
44:20
perform
44:20
it
44:21
live
44:22
and
44:22
then
44:22
distribution.
44:23
I
44:23
even
44:23
tackle
44:24
that
44:24
in
44:24
the
44:24
book.
44:25
But
44:25
mindful
44:25
that
44:26
I'm
44:26
not
44:26
necessarily
44:27
wanting
44:27
kids
44:28
to
44:28
go
44:28
upload
44:28
and
44:29
create
44:29
a
44:29
whole
44:29
RSS
44:30
feed
44:30
and
44:31
there
44:31
might
44:31
be
44:31
some
44:32
privacy
44:32
concerns.
44:33
So
44:33
I.
44:34
I
44:34
talk
44:34
about
44:35
sharing
44:35
it
44:36
online,
44:36
but
44:37
also
44:37
keeping
44:37
it
44:38
for
44:38
themselves
44:38
and
44:39
giving
44:39
them
44:39
a
44:40
little
44:40
bit
44:40
of
44:40
an
44:41
option
44:41
there
44:41
to
44:41
say
44:42
it
44:42
could
44:42
be
44:42
a
44:42
private
44:42
podcast.
44:43
Because
44:43
once
44:43
you
44:44
learn
44:44
how
44:44
to
44:44
do
44:44
an
44:45
attachment,
44:46
that.
44:47
Right.
44:47
It's.
44:48
Yeah.
44:48
You
44:48
open
44:49
the
44:49
whole
44:49
world.
44:49
Right.
44:50
Yeah.
44:51
It
44:51
doesn't
44:51
just
44:52
have
44:52
to
44:52
be
44:53
a
44:53
print
44:53
attachment.
44:54
It
44:54
can
44:55
be
44:55
an
44:55
audio
44:55
attachment,
44:56
a
44:56
video
44:56
attachment.
44:57
And
44:58
I
44:58
think
44:58
most
44:58
kids
44:59
today
44:59
know
44:59
how
44:59
to
45:00
do.
45:00
To
45:01
do
45:01
that.
45:01
Yeah.
45:02
So
45:02
that's
45:02
why
45:02
you
45:03
see
45:03
a
45:03
child
45:03
at
45:03
a
45:04
computer.
45:04
And
45:04
I
45:04
thought
45:04
if
45:05
parents
45:05
are
45:05
going
45:06
to
45:06
want
45:06
to
45:06
encourage
45:06
that
45:07
and
45:07
maybe
45:07
they're
45:07
going
45:07
to
45:07
send
45:07
a
45:08
little
45:08
recording
45:08
to
45:08
their
45:08
grandma
45:09
if
45:09
they're
45:10
already
45:10
doing
45:10
that.
45:11
Then
45:11
great.
45:11
But
45:12
also
45:12
giving
45:12
you
45:13
the
45:13
option
45:13
of
45:13
you
45:13
don't
45:14
have
45:14
to.
45:15
So
45:15
the.
45:15
I
45:15
broke
45:16
down
45:16
the
45:16
four
45:16
steps
45:17
and
45:17
then
45:18
we
45:18
kind
45:18
we
45:19
round
45:19
out
45:19
the
45:19
story
45:19
with
45:20
expanding
45:21
it.
45:21
Another
45:21
big
45:22
part
45:22
of
45:22
my
45:22
workshop
45:23
is
45:23
talking
45:23
about,
45:24
especially
45:24
in
45:24
English
45:25
speaking
45:25
markets,
45:25
we
45:25
tend
45:26
to
45:26
be
45:26
very
45:26
insular
45:27
and
45:27
we
45:27
don't
45:27
think
45:27
about
45:28
what
45:28
is
45:28
the
45:28
podcast
45:30
globally,
45:30
what's
45:31
happening
45:31
in
45:31
other
45:31
countries
45:32
and
45:32
other
45:32
languages.
45:33
And
45:33
it's
45:33
quite
45:34
interesting
45:34
and
45:35
robust
45:35
and
45:36
popping.
45:36
And
45:37
so
45:37
I
45:37
always
45:37
give
45:37
that
45:37
global
45:38
lens
45:38
when
45:38
I
45:39
do
45:39
my
45:39
presentations.
45:40
And
45:40
so
45:40
I
45:41
really
45:41
zoom
45:41
out
45:41
in
45:41
the
45:41
book.
45:42
And.
45:42
And
45:42
I
45:42
love
45:43
that
45:43
how
45:43
you
45:43
did
45:43
the
45:44
touch
45:44
points
45:44
on
45:44
the
45:45
globe.
45:45
Yes.
45:46
I'll
45:46
tell
45:46
you
45:47
what's.
45:47
Why
45:47
is
45:48
that
45:48
when
45:48
I
45:49
first
45:49
started
45:50
this
45:50
whole
45:50
podcast
45:51
show,
45:51
I
45:51
thought,
45:52
okay,
45:52
I'm
45:52
going
45:53
after
45:53
primarily
45:54
North
45:55
Americans
45:56
or
45:56
that
45:57
was
45:57
my
45:57
perception,
45:58
the
45:58
people
45:59
that
45:59
would
45:59
listen
45:59
to
45:59
the
46:00
podcast
46:00
show.
46:01
We
46:01
are
46:01
now
46:02
listeners
46:02
in
46:02
over
46:03
38
46:04
different
46:04
countries.
46:05
Wow.
46:06
Yep.
46:06
That's
46:07
our
46:07
podcasting.
46:08
Oh
46:09
my
46:09
goodness.
46:09
Like
46:10
places,
46:11
like
46:11
I've
46:12
visited
46:12
a
46:12
lot
46:12
of
46:13
places
46:13
in
46:13
the
46:13
world,
46:13
but
46:13
there's
46:14
places
46:14
I
46:14
have.
46:15
And
46:15
I
46:15
went,
46:16
what
46:16
the
46:16
heck?
46:17
Yeah,
46:18
it's
46:18
amazing.
46:18
It's
46:19
global.
46:19
It
46:20
is.
46:20
There's
46:20
no
46:21
way
46:21
about
46:21
it.
46:22
Yeah.
46:22
So
46:22
we
46:23
try
46:23
to
46:23
lean
46:23
into
46:23
that
46:23
and
46:24
talk
46:24
about
46:24
all
46:24
the
46:25
different
46:25
languages
46:26
and
46:26
then
46:26
it
46:26
even
46:26
zooms
46:27
out
46:27
further
46:27
and
46:28
pictures
46:28
an
46:28
alien
46:29
being
46:29
interviewed
46:30
just
46:30
for
46:31
fun.
46:31
Yeah.
46:31
And
46:31
that
46:31
was
46:32
actually,
46:32
that
46:32
was
46:32
the
46:32
illustrator
46:33
Ladan's
46:34
idea
46:34
to
46:34
take
46:35
it
46:35
really
46:35
out
46:35
of
46:35
this
46:35
world.
46:36
And
46:36
I
46:36
just
46:36
thought,
46:36
oh,
46:36
that's
46:37
such
46:37
a
46:37
fun
46:37
way
46:37
to
46:37
wrap
46:38
it
46:38
up.
46:39
The
46:39
central
46:40
teaching
46:41
as
46:41
you
46:41
build
46:42
out
46:42
the
46:42
book.
46:43
So
46:43
I
46:44
know
46:44
we
46:44
talked
46:44
about
46:45
themes,
46:45
so
46:45
talk
46:45
to
46:45
us
46:45
about
46:46
the
46:46
central
46:46
teaching.
46:48
When
46:48
I'm
46:48
doing
46:48
the
46:49
workshops,
46:49
the
46:50
key
46:50
pieces
46:52
is
46:52
number
46:52
one,
46:52
exposing
46:53
them
46:53
to
46:53
a
46:53
new
46:53
medium
46:54
and
46:54
maybe
46:54
this
46:54
will
46:55
be
46:55
a
46:55
new
46:55
career
46:55
path
46:56
they
46:56
want
46:56
to
46:56
go
46:56
down.
46:57
So
46:57
just
46:57
knowledge
46:57
sharing
46:58
really.
46:58
Yes.
46:59
Number
47:00
two,
47:00
imagination.
47:02
And
47:02
when
47:02
I
47:02
play
47:03
the
47:03
clips,
47:03
also
47:04
when
47:04
I
47:04
do
47:04
the
47:04
workshop,
47:05
I
47:05
play
47:05
clips
47:05
of
47:06
podcasts
47:06
and
47:07
we
47:08
will
47:08
hear
47:08
voices
47:09
and
47:09
then
47:09
we'll
47:09
all
47:09
go
47:10
around
47:10
the
47:10
room
47:10
and
47:10
describe
47:11
what
47:12
did
47:12
they
47:12
imagine
47:12
that
47:13
person
47:13
to
47:13
look
47:13
like
47:14
of
47:14
that
47:14
voice?
47:15
And
47:15
everybody
47:15
will
47:15
have
47:16
imagined
47:16
something
47:17
slightly
47:17
different.
47:18
And
47:18
that's
47:18
the
47:18
power
47:18
of
47:19
audio
47:19
storytelling.
47:19
Or
47:20
you
47:20
become
47:20
part
47:20
of
47:20
the
47:20
story
47:21
because
47:21
you're
47:21
imagining
47:22
things.
47:22
So
47:23
we
47:23
talk
47:23
about
47:23
imagination.
47:24
And
47:24
that's
47:25
in
47:25
the
47:25
book
47:26
too,
47:26
that
47:26
the
47:26
co
47:26
host
47:27
is
47:27
the
47:27
dog
47:28
and
47:29
they're
47:29
like
47:30
that.
47:30
And
47:31
it
47:31
was
47:31
a
47:31
very
47:31
imaginative
47:32
page
47:32
of
47:33
what
47:33
the
47:33
dog
47:33
would
47:33
share
47:33
on
47:34
the
47:34
podcast.
47:34
Talking
47:35
about
47:35
its
47:35
food
47:35
and
47:35
the
47:36
cat,
47:36
whatever.
47:37
And
47:37
then
47:38
the
47:38
third
47:38
is
47:38
loving
47:38
your
47:39
voice.
47:39
And
47:39
the
47:39
unique
47:40
perspectives
47:40
that
47:40
everybody
47:41
has
47:41
a.
47:41
As
47:41
a
47:42
story
47:42
to
47:42
share.
47:42
And
47:42
that's
47:43
really
47:43
the
47:43
closing
47:43
sentiment.
47:44
And
47:45
when
47:45
we
47:45
do
47:45
the
47:46
workshop,
47:46
we
47:46
talk
47:46
a
47:47
lot
47:47
about
47:48
how
47:48
even
47:49
at
47:49
a
47:49
young
47:49
age,
47:49
people
47:50
can
47:50
be
47:50
so
47:50
harsh
47:51
on
47:51
hearing
47:51
their
47:51
voice
47:52
back
47:52
on
47:52
a
47:52
recording.
47:53
And
47:54
we
47:54
talk
47:54
about
47:54
why
47:55
that
47:55
is,
47:55
like,
47:56
the
47:56
science
47:56
behind
47:56
it.
47:57
And
47:57
then
47:57
we
47:57
all
47:57
record
47:58
a
47:58
little
47:58
something
47:58
together,
47:59
and
47:59
we
47:59
all
47:59
cheer
48:00
for
48:00
each
48:00
other
48:01
to
48:01
start
48:02
wiring
48:02
those
48:02
neural
48:03
pathways
48:03
to
48:04
have
48:04
a
48:04
love
48:04
and
48:04
appreciation
48:05
for
48:05
their
48:05
voice,
48:06
no
48:06
matter
48:06
what
48:06
it
48:06
sounds
48:06
like.
48:07
I
48:07
know.
48:07
I
48:07
even
48:08
found
48:08
that
48:08
I've
48:09
got
48:09
four
48:09
out
48:10
of
48:10
my
48:10
five
48:10
grandchildren
48:12
who
48:13
have
48:13
done
48:13
the
48:13
audiobooks
48:14
and.
48:15
Which
48:16
has
48:16
been
48:16
fantastic.
48:17
But
48:17
my
48:18
youngest
48:19
granddaughter,
48:20
she
48:21
just
48:21
doesn't
48:21
like
48:21
her
48:22
voice.
48:22
And
48:22
no
48:22
matter
48:23
how
48:23
much
48:24
I
48:24
work
48:24
on
48:25
complimenting
48:26
her,
48:27
it
48:27
just.
48:28
That
48:28
breaks
48:28
my
48:28
heart.
48:29
Yeah.
48:29
I
48:29
just
48:29
haven't
48:30
found
48:30
that.
48:32
I
48:32
haven't
48:33
cracked
48:33
the
48:33
nut
48:33
yet.
48:33
Okay.
48:34
Hopefully
48:35
it
48:35
comes
48:35
soon
48:36
at
48:36
some
48:36
point.
48:37
That
48:37
would
48:37
be
48:37
fun,
48:37
for
48:38
sure.
48:38
And
48:39
yet
48:39
I
48:39
did
48:39
do
48:40
a
48:40
podcast
48:41
interview
48:41
with
48:42
her
48:42
through
48:43
Covid.
48:43
Okay.
48:44
Yeah.
48:45
So
48:45
you
48:45
got
48:45
her
48:45
down.
48:45
You
48:46
got
48:46
her
48:46
voice
48:46
on
48:47
tape
48:47
somewhere.
48:47
I
48:47
do.
48:48
That's
48:48
awesome
48:49
asking
48:49
you
48:50
this
48:50
question.
48:50
It's
48:51
fun
48:51
in
48:51
a
48:51
way
48:51
for
48:51
me
48:52
because
48:53
most
48:53
of
48:53
the
48:53
time,
48:54
I'm
48:54
talking
48:54
to
48:54
children's
48:55
book
48:55
authors.
48:56
That's
48:57
their
48:57
primary
48:57
focus.
48:59
And
49:00
for
49:00
you,
49:00
you've
49:01
done
49:01
both.
49:01
You've
49:02
done
49:02
an
49:02
adult
49:02
business
49:03
book,
49:03
and
49:04
you've
49:04
also
49:04
written
49:04
a
49:05
children's
49:05
book.
49:05
Share
49:06
with
49:06
us
49:06
maybe
49:06
the
49:07
similarities
49:08
of
49:09
your
49:09
development
49:10
and
49:10
writing
49:11
process
49:11
for
49:12
writing
49:12
a
49:12
children's
49:13
book.
49:14
As
49:15
my
49:15
writing
49:15
process
49:16
was
49:16
really
49:16
fast
49:17
to
49:17
begin
49:17
with.
49:17
Like,
49:18
that
49:18
first
49:18
draft
49:19
just
49:19
flew
49:19
out
49:19
of
49:19
me.
49:20
But
49:20
like,
49:20
with
49:20
an
49:21
adult
49:21
book
49:22
or
49:22
a
49:22
kid's
49:22
book,
49:23
you
49:23
want
49:23
to
49:24
be
49:24
edited.
49:24
For
49:25
the
49:25
kids
49:25
book
49:26
specifically,
49:26
I
49:27
got
49:28
a
49:28
teacher
49:29
who
49:29
was
49:29
teaching
49:30
this
49:30
age
49:30
group
49:31
to
49:31
read
49:31
it,
49:32
and
49:33
I
49:33
got
49:34
kids
49:34
in
49:34
that
49:35
age
49:35
group
49:35
to
49:35
read
49:36
it.
49:36
So
49:36
I
49:36
made
49:36
a
49:36
little
49:37
focus
49:37
group.
49:38
So
49:38
I
49:38
did
49:39
both.
49:40
And
49:41
the
49:41
teacher,
49:42
A
49:42
couple
49:43
of
49:43
adults.
49:43
A
49:43
teacher
49:43
and
49:44
a
49:44
couple
49:44
others
49:44
who
49:44
work
49:44
with
49:45
kids.
49:45
So
49:45
maybe
49:45
like
49:45
three.
49:46
Two
49:46
or
49:46
three
49:47
eyes
49:47
from
49:48
adults,
49:48
and
49:48
then
49:48
two
49:48
or
49:49
three
49:49
eyes
49:49
from
49:49
a
49:49
kid's
49:50
perspective
49:50
in
49:51
total.
49:52
And
49:53
the
49:54
edits,
49:55
some
49:55
of
49:55
them
49:55
were
49:55
great.
49:56
Some
49:56
of
49:56
them
49:56
I
49:56
chose
49:57
not
49:57
to
49:57
take.
49:57
You
49:58
can.
49:58
You
49:58
gotta
49:59
just
49:59
pick
49:59
and
49:59
choose
50:00
because
50:00
it
50:00
can
50:01
be
50:01
overwhelmed
50:01
and
50:01
you
50:01
can
50:02
receive
50:02
edits
50:02
forever.
50:03
So
50:03
you
50:03
also
50:03
have
50:03
to
50:03
know
50:03
when
50:03
you're
50:04
gonna
50:04
cut
50:04
it
50:04
off.
50:04
So
50:05
I
50:05
knew.
50:06
Yeah,
50:06
I
50:07
knew.
50:07
These
50:07
are
50:07
the
50:08
core
50:08
people
50:08
I
50:09
want
50:09
the
50:09
advice
50:09
from.
50:10
I
50:10
consolidated
50:10
it
50:11
all.
50:11
I
50:11
took
50:11
the
50:11
advice
50:12
I
50:12
wanted.
50:13
And
50:13
for
50:14
instance,
50:14
I'll
50:14
give
50:14
a
50:14
specific
50:15
example.
50:15
Cause
50:15
I
50:16
think
50:16
that's
50:16
helpful.
50:16
There
50:17
was,
50:18
on
50:18
my
50:19
second
50:19
last
50:19
page,
50:20
there's
50:20
a
50:20
line
50:20
that
50:20
says,
50:21
podcasts
50:22
are
50:22
being
50:22
made
50:22
all
50:22
over
50:22
the
50:23
world.
50:23
They
50:23
can
50:23
be
50:23
made
50:24
in
50:24
different
50:24
languages
50:25
and
50:25
share
50:25
unique
50:26
perspectives.
50:27
And
50:27
one
50:27
of
50:27
the
50:28
pieces
50:28
of
50:28
feedback
50:28
was
50:28
that
50:28
the
50:29
word
50:29
perspectives
50:30
might
50:30
be
50:30
a
50:30
little
50:30
bit
50:30
too
50:31
tough
50:32
for
50:32
ages
50:33
5
50:33
to
50:34
9.
50:34
But
50:34
then
50:34
somebody
50:35
else
50:35
said,
50:35
we
50:36
actually
50:36
like
50:36
that
50:36
it's
50:36
a
50:37
little
50:37
bit
50:37
hard
50:37
because
50:37
it's
50:38
stretch
50:38
reading
50:39
for
50:39
people
50:39
who
50:39
are
50:40
wanting
50:40
to
50:40
learn
50:40
and
50:41
not
50:41
just
50:41
make
50:41
it
50:41
so
50:41
easy.
50:42
And
50:42
so
50:42
that
50:42
was
50:42
one
50:43
where
50:43
it's
50:43
like,
50:43
there's
50:43
no
50:44
right
50:44
or
50:44
wrong
50:44
whether
50:44
I
50:44
keep
50:45
this
50:45
word
50:45
in
50:45
or
50:45
not.
50:46
Absolutely.
50:46
I
50:47
have
50:47
to
50:47
choose.
50:47
And
50:48
I
50:48
ultimately,
50:48
as
50:49
you
50:49
saw,
50:49
choose
50:50
to
50:50
keep
50:50
it
50:50
in.
50:51
And
50:51
that
50:51
was
50:51
intentional,
50:52
but
50:52
that
50:52
was
50:53
something
50:53
that
50:53
was
50:54
discussed
50:55
and.
50:55
And
50:56
I
50:56
will
50:56
say
50:56
too,
50:57
that
50:57
the
50:57
book
50:57
was
50:57
being
50:58
read
50:59
without
50:59
illustration
51:00
first
51:01
and
51:01
then
51:01
also
51:02
with
51:02
illustration,
51:03
because
51:03
sometimes
51:03
the
51:03
illustration
51:04
changes
51:04
the
51:05
feel
51:05
of
51:05
the
51:05
book.
51:06
So
51:06
I
51:06
think
51:06
it
51:06
is
51:06
important
51:07
to
51:08
have
51:08
both.
51:09
So
51:09
the
51:09
finalize
51:10
was
51:10
of
51:11
a
51:11
five
51:11
year
51:11
old
51:12
with
51:12
the
51:13
illustration.
51:14
And
51:14
I
51:15
told
51:15
my
51:15
friend
51:15
to
51:16
give
51:16
it
51:16
to
51:16
her
51:16
kid.
51:17
His
51:17
name
51:17
is
51:18
Brooks.
51:18
And
51:18
actually
51:18
he
51:19
came
51:19
to
51:19
my
51:19
book
51:19
launch
51:19
and
51:20
helped
51:20
me
51:20
read
51:20
it
51:20
on
51:21
its
51:21
first
51:21
go.
51:21
Nice.
51:22
Which
51:22
was
51:22
so
51:23
sweet.
51:23
But
51:23
Brooks
51:23
was
51:24
the
51:24
first
51:24
official
51:24
reader
51:25
with
51:25
the
51:25
illustration.
51:26
And
51:26
I
51:27
said,
51:27
she
51:27
put
51:27
it
51:28
on
51:28
her
51:28
phone
51:28
as
51:28
a
51:28
PDF
51:29
and
51:29
I
51:29
said,
51:29
just
51:29
give
51:29
it
51:30
to
51:30
him
51:30
and
51:31
see
51:31
what
51:31
happens.
51:32
And
51:32
so
51:32
she
51:32
recorded
51:33
him
51:33
reading
51:34
it
51:34
and
51:34
it
51:35
was
51:35
really
51:35
interesting
51:35
to
51:36
just
51:36
see
51:36
how
51:36
he
51:36
flipped
51:37
through
51:37
the
51:37
pages
51:38
and
51:39
what
51:39
words
51:39
he
51:40
stumbled
51:40
on
51:40
and.
51:41
Yeah,
51:41
and
51:42
that
51:42
was
51:42
really
51:42
helpful
51:42
for
51:42
me.
51:43
And
51:43
it's
51:43
interesting
51:43
because
51:44
I
51:44
talk
51:44
about
51:44
this
51:45
on
51:45
other
51:45
episodes
51:46
because
51:46
we've
51:46
done
51:47
about
51:47
half
51:48
of
51:48
our
51:48
books
51:48
out
51:49
of
51:49
the
51:49
38
51:49
in
51:50
audio,
51:50
and
51:51
my
51:51
grandchildren
51:52
have
51:52
been
51:53
the
51:53
narrators
51:54
of
51:54
some
51:54
of
51:54
the
51:55
books.
51:55
The
51:55
neat
51:55
thing
51:56
about
51:56
them
51:56
reading
51:57
the
51:57
book
51:57
aloud
51:58
with
51:58
no
51:58
pictures
51:59
is
52:00
they
52:00
have
52:01
helped
52:01
me
52:01
edit
52:02
the
52:02
book.
52:02
Because
52:03
you
52:03
say
52:03
papa,
52:04
that
52:04
word.
52:05
I
52:05
don't
52:06
think
52:06
so.
52:06
Yeah.
52:07
And
52:07
then
52:07
I'll
52:07
ask
52:08
them,
52:08
okay,
52:08
what
52:08
word
52:08
should
52:09
we
52:09
be
52:09
using
52:09
again?
52:10
I'm
52:10
glad
52:10
you're
52:10
mentioning
52:11
that.
52:11
It's
52:11
such
52:12
a
52:12
great
52:12
way
52:13
to
52:13
edit,
52:13
is
52:14
go
52:14
right
52:14
to
52:14
your
52:15
audience.
52:15
Yeah.
52:16
Yeah.
52:17
And
52:17
that's
52:17
what
52:18
I
52:18
did
52:18
with
52:18
my
52:18
adult
52:19
book
52:19
too,
52:19
to
52:19
be
52:19
honest.
52:20
I.
52:20
I
52:20
got
52:21
a
52:21
professional
52:22
copywriter
52:24
to
52:24
look
52:24
at
52:25
it,
52:25
but
52:25
you
52:25
also
52:26
want
52:26
to
52:26
get
52:26
podcast
52:27
professionals
52:28
to
52:28
look
52:28
at
52:28
it
52:28
and
52:29
say,
52:30
does
52:30
it
52:30
check
52:30
out?
52:31
Is
52:31
this
52:31
helpful?
52:32
I
52:32
asked
52:32
for
52:32
five
52:33
testimonials
52:34
for
52:34
my
52:34
adult
52:35
book
52:35
and
52:35
I
52:36
gave
52:36
them
52:36
all
52:36
a
52:36
working
52:37
PDF
52:38
on
52:38
purpose
52:38
to
52:38
say,
52:39
I
52:39
would
52:39
like
52:39
you
52:39
to
52:39
write
52:39
testimonial.
52:40
But
52:40
also
52:40
I'm
52:40
open
52:40
to
52:41
Feedback.
52:42
And
52:42
sometimes
52:43
I
52:43
got
52:43
good
52:43
feedback
52:44
and
52:44
I
52:44
incorporated
52:45
them
52:46
right
52:46
into
52:46
the
52:46
book.
52:47
Because
52:47
I.
52:47
I
52:48
said,
52:48
and
52:48
you
52:48
know
52:48
what?
52:48
When
52:49
this
52:49
person
52:49
read
52:49
it,
52:50
they
52:50
said
52:50
this.
52:50
It
52:51
added
52:51
to
52:51
the
52:51
books
52:52
of
52:52
the
52:52
adult
52:54
technique.
52:55
Besides
52:56
your
52:56
personal
52:56
experience.
52:57
Cause
52:57
I
52:57
know
52:57
you
52:58
talked
52:58
about
52:58
your
52:59
love
52:59
of
52:59
research.
53:00
And
53:01
so
53:01
I'm
53:01
curious,
53:02
did
53:03
you
53:03
need
53:03
to
53:03
do
53:04
any
53:04
additional
53:05
research
53:05
when
53:06
you're
53:06
doing
53:06
your
53:06
children's
53:07
book,
53:08
or
53:08
did
53:08
you
53:08
feel
53:09
like
53:11
doing
53:11
an
53:11
adult
53:12
book
53:12
is
53:12
one
53:12
thing,
53:12
doing
53:13
a
53:13
children's
53:13
book
53:14
is
53:14
another
53:15
thing.
53:15
Did
53:15
you
53:15
have
53:16
to
53:16
break
53:16
down
53:17
some
53:17
of
53:17
your
53:17
own
53:17
personal
53:18
barriers
53:19
when
53:19
you
53:19
put
53:20
your
53:20
children's
53:20
book
53:21
together?
53:22
I
53:22
did
53:22
a
53:23
lot
53:23
of
53:23
market
53:23
research
53:24
with
53:24
the
53:24
kids
53:24
book.
53:25
So
53:25
I
53:25
began
53:25
with
53:26
seeing,
53:26
is
53:26
there
53:26
anything
53:26
else
53:26
out
53:27
there?
53:27
The
53:27
answer
53:27
was
53:27
no.
53:28
But
53:29
I
53:30
had
53:30
never
53:30
dabbled
53:31
in
53:31
kids
53:32
marketing
53:32
kids
53:33
books
53:34
at
53:34
all.
53:34
I
53:34
had
53:35
to
53:35
do
53:35
a
53:35
lot
53:35
of
53:35
market
53:35
research.
53:36
And.
53:36
And
53:36
thankfully,
53:37
this
53:37
is
53:37
what
53:38
Ishita
53:39
and
53:39
my
53:39
intern
53:40
who
53:40
helped
53:40
me
53:40
with
53:40
the
53:40
website,
53:41
they
53:41
both
53:41
did.
53:42
So
53:42
I
53:42
got
53:43
them,
53:43
for
53:43
instance,
53:44
to
53:44
compile
53:45
a
53:45
list
53:45
of
53:46
a
53:46
kid's
53:47
book
53:47
author
53:48
websites,
53:49
kid
53:49
authors
53:50
of
53:50
kids
53:51
books
53:51
on
53:51
Instagram.
53:52
I
53:53
did
53:53
a
53:53
lot
53:53
of
53:53
these
53:54
sort
53:54
of
53:54
research
53:54
to
53:55
figure
53:55
out
53:55
because
53:56
I
53:56
did
53:56
wonder,
53:56
should
53:57
I
53:57
make
53:57
a
53:58
Instagram
53:58
account
53:59
just
53:59
for
53:59
this
54:00
book?
54:00
I
54:00
landed
54:01
on
54:01
no
54:01
based
54:02
on
54:02
research.
54:02
And
54:03
so
54:03
there
54:03
was
54:04
a
54:04
lot
54:04
of
54:04
strategic
54:04
decisions
54:05
around
54:05
the
54:05
marketing
54:06
that
54:07
came
54:07
from
54:08
doing
54:08
research.
54:09
Wow,
54:10
Good
54:10
for
54:10
you.
54:10
Yeah.
54:11
You
54:12
gave
54:12
your
54:12
children's
54:12
book
54:13
a
54:13
lot
54:13
of
54:13
thought,
54:14
which
54:14
I
54:14
love.
54:15
And
54:16
so
54:17
as
54:17
you
54:17
developed
54:18
it
54:18
and
54:18
we
54:19
talked
54:19
about
54:19
having
54:20
a
54:20
book
54:21
business
54:21
plan,
54:22
but
54:22
I'm
54:23
curious
54:23
if
54:23
we
54:23
can
54:23
delve
54:24
a
54:24
bit
54:24
deeper
54:25
into
54:26
the
54:26
success
54:27
of
54:27
your
54:27
book
54:28
and
54:29
what
54:29
does
54:30
it
54:30
mean
54:30
to
54:30
you?
54:31
So
54:31
let's
54:31
take
54:32
you
54:32
back.
54:32
When
54:32
you
54:33
started
54:33
writing
54:34
the
54:34
book
54:34
and
54:34
it
54:34
popped
54:35
into
54:35
your
54:35
mind
54:35
and
54:35
you
54:36
got
54:36
it
54:36
down
54:36
quick.
54:37
Now
54:37
you've
54:38
got
54:38
this
54:38
children's
54:39
book
54:39
and
54:39
you're
54:39
starting
54:39
to
54:40
put
54:40
it
54:40
together.
54:40
How
54:41
did
54:41
you
54:41
envision
54:41
success
54:42
for
54:42
this
54:43
book
54:43
and
54:43
what
54:43
does
54:43
it
54:44
look
54:44
like
54:44
now?
54:45
Yeah,
54:46
that
54:46
I
54:47
love
54:47
this
54:47
question
54:47
because
54:48
I
54:48
think
54:48
success
54:49
is
54:49
so
54:49
subjective
54:51
and
54:53
there's
54:54
no
54:54
one
54:55
definition.
54:55
And
54:55
even
54:56
someone's
54:56
definitions
54:56
might
54:57
change
54:57
day
54:57
by
54:58
day,
54:58
including
54:58
my
54:59
own.
54:59
Right.
55:00
And
55:00
so
55:00
I
55:02
always
55:03
went
55:03
with
55:03
the
55:04
intention
55:04
of
55:04
doing
55:05
this.
55:05
And
55:06
everything
55:06
about
55:06
this
55:06
book
55:07
was
55:07
actually
55:07
just
55:07
meant
55:08
to
55:08
be
55:08
fun
55:08
and
55:09
life
55:09
giving
55:09
to
55:09
me.
55:10
Really.
55:10
Like
55:11
the
55:11
moment
55:11
it
55:11
got
55:11
stressful,
55:12
I
55:12
went,
55:12
then
55:12
we're
55:13
not
55:13
going
55:13
down
55:13
that
55:13
route.
55:14
Like,
55:14
it
55:14
couldn't
55:14
be
55:15
for
55:15
me
55:16
because
55:16
it
55:16
was
55:16
a
55:16
side
55:17
project
55:18
and
55:18
not
55:18
my
55:18
sole
55:19
goal.
55:19
I
55:20
really
55:20
had
55:20
to
55:20
keep
55:21
the
55:21
focus
55:21
on
55:21
Joy
55:22
and
55:23
I
55:24
ended
55:24
up.
55:25
That's
55:25
why
55:26
actually
55:26
it's
55:26
a
55:26
great
55:26
Example
55:27
of
55:27
why
55:27
I
55:27
don't
55:27
have
55:27
the
55:28
audiobook
55:28
out
55:28
yet,
55:29
because
55:29
that
55:29
I
55:30
wanted
55:30
that
55:30
to
55:30
be
55:30
a
55:30
joyful
55:31
experience
55:31
for
55:31
me
55:31
to
55:32
create
55:32
and
55:32
not
55:33
under
55:33
the
55:33
gun
55:33
stressed.
55:34
And
55:34
you
55:34
know
55:34
what?
55:34
I'm
55:35
going
55:35
to
55:35
do
55:35
it
55:35
at
55:35
a
55:35
time
55:35
where
55:35
I
55:36
can
55:36
really
55:36
enjoy
55:36
doing
55:37
the
55:37
sound
55:37
effects
55:37
and
55:38
make
55:38
them
55:38
myself
55:39
instead
55:39
of
55:40
rushing.
55:40
And
55:40
so
55:41
monetary
55:42
wise,
55:42
and
55:43
as
55:43
you
55:43
alluded
55:43
to,
55:43
illustrating
55:44
an
55:45
original
55:45
book
55:45
is
55:45
expensive.
55:47
Printing
55:47
it
55:47
in
55:47
Canada
55:48
is
55:48
expensive.
55:49
So
55:49
no,
55:50
I,
55:51
I
55:51
haven't
55:51
broken
55:52
even
55:52
yet
55:52
and.
55:53
But
55:53
that
55:53
wasn't
55:53
my
55:53
goal.
55:54
I
55:54
knew
55:54
I
55:54
was
55:55
going
55:55
to
55:55
invest
55:56
in
55:56
this
55:57
and
55:58
over
55:58
time,
55:58
I'm
55:59
sure,
55:59
especially
55:59
with
56:00
the
56:00
workshops
56:00
and
56:01
all
56:01
of
56:01
the
56:01
work
56:01
that
56:01
comes
56:02
from
56:02
it,
56:02
but
56:03
my
56:04
book
56:04
sells
56:04
for
56:05
1395
56:06
Canadian
56:07
and
56:07
it's
56:07
going
56:07
to
56:08
just
56:08
be
56:08
a
56:08
long
56:08
game
56:08
success
56:09
for
56:09
me,
56:10
a
56:10
joyful
56:10
experience,
56:12
seeing
56:12
kids
56:13
light
56:13
up
56:13
and
56:13
be
56:14
open
56:14
to
56:15
podcasting.
56:15
Every
56:16
time
56:16
I
56:16
go
56:16
into
56:16
a
56:16
class,
56:17
I
56:17
walk
56:17
out
56:17
feeling
56:18
like
56:18
my
56:18
cup
56:19
is
56:19
full.
56:19
And
56:19
that's
56:20
that
56:20
success
56:21
to
56:21
me.
56:22
Having
56:22
a
56:22
book
56:22
I'm
56:22
proud
56:23
of,
56:23
that's
56:23
like
56:23
on
56:24
my
56:24
wall
56:24
behind
56:24
me.
56:25
Success,
56:26
that's
56:26
success
56:27
to
56:27
me.
56:27
And
56:27
I'm
56:28
thankful
56:28
I
56:29
did.
56:29
My
56:29
one
56:29
little
56:30
metric
56:30
that
56:30
I
56:30
did
56:31
want
56:31
to
56:31
hit,
56:31
which
56:31
I
56:31
did,
56:32
was
56:32
to
56:33
hit
56:34
number
56:34
one
56:34
on
56:34
Amazon
56:35
in
56:35
my
56:35
category
56:35
the
56:36
week
56:36
of
56:36
release.
56:36
And
56:36
I
56:36
did.
56:37
And
56:37
for
56:38
me,
56:38
I.
56:39
I've
56:39
already
56:39
hit
56:39
all
56:40
the
56:40
success
56:40
metrics.
56:41
I'm
56:41
glad
56:41
you
56:42
said
56:42
that
56:42
because
56:42
again,
56:43
like
56:43
you
56:44
said,
56:44
it's
56:44
all
56:44
subjective
56:45
and
56:46
some
56:46
people,
56:47
they
56:47
just
56:47
want
56:48
to
56:48
hold
56:49
their
56:50
book
56:50
in
56:50
their
56:51
hand.
56:51
Yeah.
56:52
Yeah.
56:52
And
56:52
that's
56:52
a
56:52
win.
56:53
That's
56:53
success.
56:53
Big
56:54
time.
56:54
Big
56:54
time.
56:55
And
56:55
it's
56:55
interesting
56:57
for
56:57
me,
56:57
what
56:58
I
56:58
love
56:58
about
56:58
your
56:58
book
56:59
is
56:59
it's
56:59
a.
57:00
You're
57:00
teaching
57:00
a
57:01
fun
57:02
skill
57:03
that
57:04
someone
57:05
could
57:05
parlay
57:07
into
57:07
a
57:07
career
57:08
and
57:08
they
57:08
may
57:08
not
57:08
even
57:09
have
57:09
thought
57:09
about
57:10
it
57:10
because
57:10
you're
57:10
a
57:11
child.
57:11
Okay.
57:12
And
57:12
I
57:13
had
57:13
the
57:13
great
57:13
fortune.
57:14
I
57:14
got
57:14
to
57:14
go
57:15
to
57:15
my
57:15
youngest
57:16
grandson's
57:17
class
57:18
and
57:18
read
57:18
our
57:18
book.
57:19
And
57:20
this
57:20
was
57:20
last
57:21
year
57:21
and
57:22
he
57:22
was
57:22
in
57:22
the
57:22
last
57:23
year
57:23
of
57:23
elementary.
57:24
And
57:25
what
57:25
was
57:25
interesting
57:26
is
57:26
the
57:27
audience
57:27
was
57:28
a
57:28
little
57:28
older
57:29
because
57:29
the
57:30
range
57:30
of
57:30
our
57:30
book
57:30
is
57:30
from
57:31
about
57:31
4
57:31
to
57:31
10,
57:32
and
57:32
these
57:32
were
57:33
11
57:33
and
57:33
12
57:33
year
57:33
olds.
57:34
What
57:34
was
57:35
interesting
57:36
is
57:36
at
57:36
the
57:37
end,
57:37
I
57:37
opened
57:37
the
57:38
floor
57:38
up
57:38
to
57:38
questions
57:40
and
57:41
what
57:41
was
57:41
amazing
57:42
is
57:43
the
57:43
interest
57:44
in
57:44
not
57:44
only
57:45
learning
57:46
how
57:46
to
57:46
write
57:47
a
57:47
book,
57:48
a
57:48
children's
57:48
book,
57:50
there
57:50
was
57:50
a
57:50
huge
57:51
amount
57:51
of
57:52
interest
57:52
in
57:53
illustrating.
57:54
Wow.
57:55
And
57:56
it
57:56
was
57:57
just
57:57
amazing
57:58
to
57:58
me.
57:58
And
57:58
I
57:59
was
57:59
telling
57:59
the
58:00
students,
58:00
I
58:00
was
58:01
saying,
58:01
you
58:01
know
58:01
what,
58:02
we
58:02
had
58:03
to
58:03
go
58:03
offshore
58:04
our
58:04
illustrators
58:05
in
58:05
the
58:05
uk.
58:07
And
58:07
I
58:08
said
58:08
I
58:08
would
58:08
Encourage.
58:09
And
58:09
they
58:10
said,
58:10
but
58:11
is
58:11
there
58:11
any
58:11
type
58:12
of
58:12
career?
58:12
And
58:12
I
58:13
said,
58:13
think
58:13
about
58:13
this
58:13
for
58:14
a
58:14
moment.
58:14
Think
58:15
about
58:15
all
58:15
the
58:16
Disney
58:16
movies
58:17
that
58:17
come
58:17
out.
58:17
So
58:17
I
58:18
asked
58:18
them
58:18
about
58:18
the
58:19
different
58:19
movies
58:19
they
58:20
had
58:20
seen.
58:20
I
58:20
said,
58:21
they
58:21
need
58:21
animators.
58:22
And
58:22
I
58:22
said,
58:23
how
58:23
many
58:23
of
58:23
you
58:23
play
58:24
games?
58:24
Video
58:25
games.
58:25
They
58:26
need
58:26
animators.
58:27
I
58:27
said,
58:28
comic
58:28
books.
58:29
And
58:29
it
58:30
just
58:30
goes
58:30
on
58:30
and
58:31
on.
58:31
And
58:32
now
58:32
all
58:32
of
58:32
a
58:32
sudden,
58:32
the
58:33
lights
58:33
were
58:33
coming
58:34
on
58:34
and
58:34
saying,
58:35
whoa.
58:35
Illustration.
58:36
That's
58:36
a
58:37
big
58:37
feel.
58:38
Yeah.
58:39
That's
58:39
incredible.
58:40
Opening
58:40
their
58:40
minds
58:41
like
58:41
that,
58:41
I
58:41
think
58:41
is
58:42
invaluable.
58:42
And
58:43
you
58:43
know
58:43
what?
58:43
One
58:44
goal
58:44
for
58:44
me,
58:45
this
58:45
would
58:45
be
58:45
a
58:45
really
58:45
great
58:46
success
58:46
metric
58:46
if
58:47
20
58:47
years
58:47
from
58:47
now,
58:48
a
58:48
very
58:48
famous
58:49
podcaster
58:50
says
58:50
that
58:51
they
58:51
learned
58:52
about
58:52
podcasting
58:52
because
58:52
someone
58:53
gifted
58:53
them
58:53
a
58:53
kid's
58:54
book
58:54
about
58:54
it.
58:55
That
58:55
would
58:55
be
58:55
like,
58:56
yeah,
58:56
the
58:57
ultimate
58:57
win.
58:58
Yeah,
58:58
absolutely.
58:59
Yeah.
58:59
I
58:59
couldn't
59:00
agree
59:00
with
59:00
you
59:00
more
59:01
now
59:02
that
59:02
you've
59:02
written
59:02
your
59:03
first
59:03
children's
59:04
book.
59:04
And
59:04
I.
59:04
Cause
59:05
I
59:05
was
59:05
thinking,
59:05
you
59:05
know
59:05
what,
59:06
Amanda,
59:07
you
59:07
might
59:07
be
59:08
onto
59:08
something
59:08
here
59:09
you
59:09
could
59:09
do
59:09
a
59:09
book
59:10
on.
59:11
Just
59:11
want
59:11
a
59:11
little
59:12
bit
59:12
of
59:12
the
59:12
royalties
59:13
so
59:14
you
59:14
can
59:14
do
59:15
a
59:15
book
59:15
on
59:16
video.
59:17
Okay.
59:18
Because
59:18
right
59:19
now,
59:19
I
59:20
record
59:20
this
59:20
in
59:21
video
59:21
and
59:22
audio,
59:22
but
59:23
I
59:23
only
59:24
release
59:24
it
59:24
in
59:24
audio
59:25
on
59:25
the
59:26
video
59:26
side
59:26
of
59:27
it
59:27
for
59:28
what's
59:28
my
59:29
next
59:29
children's
59:29
book?
59:30
I'm
59:30
just
59:30
planting
59:30
seasons,
59:31
saying,
59:31
there's
59:32
different
59:32
skills
59:32
here.
59:33
There's
59:33
the.
59:34
What
59:34
you
59:34
just
59:35
described
59:35
with
59:35
the
59:36
four
59:36
steps
59:37
in
59:37
putting
59:37
a
59:38
production
59:38
together.
59:39
So
59:39
the
59:39
production
59:40
side
59:40
of
59:40
it,
59:41
it's
59:41
just
59:41
amazing.
59:42
The
59:42
opportunity,
59:43
endless.
59:44
There
59:44
you
59:44
go.
59:45
So
59:45
I
59:45
just
59:46
gave
59:46
you
59:46
three
59:46
or
59:46
four
59:46
more
59:47
ideas
59:47
for
59:48
three
59:48
or
59:48
four
59:48
children's
59:49
books.
59:50
Okay.
59:50
I'll
59:50
kick.
59:51
Your
59:51
check
59:51
will
59:51
be
59:51
in
59:52
the
59:52
mail.
59:52
Okay.
59:53
Advice
59:53
for
59:54
aspiring
59:55
authors.
59:57
I
59:57
think
59:58
I'll
59:59
circle
59:59
back
59:59
to
59:59
what
59:59
we
1:00:00
talked
1:00:00
to
1:00:00
in
1:00:00
the
1:00:00
beginning,
1:00:01
is
1:00:01
that
1:00:01
if
1:00:01
you
1:00:02
have
1:00:02
an
1:00:02
idea,
1:00:03
you
1:00:03
gotta
1:00:03
just
1:00:04
do
1:00:04
it.
1:00:04
I
1:00:04
have
1:00:04
seen
1:00:05
so
1:00:05
many
1:00:06
people
1:00:06
have
1:00:06
so
1:00:06
many
1:00:07
good
1:00:07
ideas
1:00:07
and
1:00:07
just
1:00:08
not
1:00:08
act
1:00:08
on
1:00:08
it.
1:00:09
That's
1:00:09
broad
1:00:10
strokes,
1:00:10
and
1:00:10
we
1:00:10
said
1:00:11
that
1:00:11
before,
1:00:11
but
1:00:12
more
1:00:12
granular.
1:00:13
Tip.
1:00:14
Here's
1:00:14
a
1:00:14
couple
1:00:15
of
1:00:15
approaches.
1:00:15
If
1:00:16
you
1:00:16
find
1:00:16
yourself
1:00:16
stuck,
1:00:17
you
1:00:17
have
1:00:17
this
1:00:17
idea,
1:00:18
and
1:00:18
you
1:00:18
just
1:00:18
want
1:00:18
to
1:00:18
get
1:00:18
it
1:00:19
out
1:00:19
in
1:00:19
the
1:00:19
world.
1:00:20
If
1:00:20
there's
1:00:21
an
1:00:21
element
1:00:22
that
1:00:22
is
1:00:22
stressing
1:00:23
you
1:00:23
out
1:00:23
that
1:00:24
you
1:00:24
can't
1:00:24
even
1:00:25
wrap
1:00:25
your
1:00:26
head
1:00:26
around,
1:00:26
just
1:00:27
hire
1:00:27
somebody
1:00:27
to
1:00:28
help
1:00:28
you
1:00:28
with
1:00:28
that
1:00:28
piece.
1:00:29
Okay?
1:00:29
Because
1:00:30
sometimes
1:00:30
we
1:00:30
have
1:00:30
mental
1:00:31
blocks
1:00:31
around
1:00:32
stuff,
1:00:32
and
1:00:32
that
1:00:32
will
1:00:33
hold
1:00:33
you
1:00:33
back.
1:00:33
So
1:00:33
you
1:00:34
gotta
1:00:34
just
1:00:35
get
1:00:35
somebody
1:00:35
to
1:00:36
help
1:00:36
you
1:00:37
or
1:00:37
even
1:00:37
volunteer
1:00:38
to
1:00:38
help
1:00:38
you,
1:00:38
but
1:00:38
just
1:00:38
get
1:00:38
extra
1:00:39
hands
1:00:39
on
1:00:39
the
1:00:40
items
1:00:40
that
1:00:40
are
1:00:41
keeping
1:00:41
you
1:00:41
up
1:00:41
at
1:00:41
night.
1:00:42
Number
1:00:43
two
1:00:43
is
1:00:43
give
1:00:43
yourself
1:00:44
deadlines.
1:00:44
Just
1:00:45
make
1:00:45
up
1:00:45
deadlines.
1:00:46
And
1:00:47
they
1:00:47
have
1:00:47
to
1:00:47
be
1:00:47
micro
1:00:48
deadlines.
1:00:48
They
1:00:48
can't
1:00:49
just
1:00:49
be.
1:00:49
And
1:00:49
my
1:00:49
book
1:00:50
will
1:00:50
be
1:00:50
out
1:00:50
by
1:00:50
this
1:00:50
date.
1:00:51
You
1:00:51
have
1:00:51
to
1:00:51
say,
1:00:52
by
1:00:52
what
1:00:52
day
1:00:52
will
1:00:52
I
1:00:53
stop
1:00:53
writing?
1:00:53
By
1:00:54
what
1:00:54
day
1:00:54
will
1:00:54
I
1:00:54
have
1:00:55
people
1:00:55
edit
1:00:55
it?
1:00:55
By
1:00:56
what
1:00:56
day
1:00:56
am
1:00:56
I
1:00:56
sending
1:00:57
it
1:00:57
to
1:00:57
the
1:00:57
printer?
1:00:57
And
1:00:58
then
1:00:58
by
1:00:58
what
1:00:58
day
1:00:58
am
1:00:59
I
1:00:59
hoping
1:00:59
to
1:00:59
put
1:00:59
this
1:00:59
out
1:01:00
in
1:01:00
the
1:01:00
world?
1:01:00
Make
1:01:01
four
1:01:01
or
1:01:01
five,
1:01:01
six
1:01:02
steps
1:01:02
of
1:01:02
deadlines
1:01:03
for
1:01:03
yourself.
1:01:04
Great
1:01:04
advice.
1:01:04
And
1:01:05
hold
1:01:05
yourself
1:01:05
to
1:01:06
that.
1:01:06
And
1:01:06
if
1:01:06
you
1:01:06
need
1:01:07
an
1:01:07
accountability
1:01:07
buddy,
1:01:08
get
1:01:08
somebody
1:01:08
to
1:01:09
hold
1:01:09
you
1:01:09
accountable.
1:01:09
A
1:01:10
friend
1:01:10
who
1:01:10
is
1:01:10
going
1:01:10
to
1:01:10
message
1:01:11
you
1:01:11
the
1:01:11
day
1:01:11
before
1:01:11
saying,
1:01:11
you
1:01:12
have
1:01:12
one
1:01:12
more
1:01:12
day.
1:01:12
Did
1:01:12
you
1:01:13
do
1:01:13
it
1:01:13
yet?
1:01:13
Like,
1:01:14
you
1:01:14
really
1:01:15
got
1:01:15
to
1:01:16
commit.
1:01:18
And
1:01:18
you
1:01:18
can
1:01:18
always
1:01:19
say
1:01:19
that
1:01:19
life
1:01:19
is
1:01:20
too
1:01:20
busy.
1:01:20
You
1:01:20
could
1:01:21
always
1:01:21
say,
1:01:21
I'll
1:01:21
do
1:01:22
it
1:01:22
next
1:01:22
month.
1:01:22
Your
1:01:23
life
1:01:23
will
1:01:23
always
1:01:23
be
1:01:24
busy.
1:01:24
You'll
1:01:25
always
1:01:25
say,
1:01:25
you'll
1:01:26
do
1:01:26
it
1:01:26
next
1:01:26
month.
1:01:26
So
1:01:27
if
1:01:27
you
1:01:27
really
1:01:27
want
1:01:28
to
1:01:28
do
1:01:28
something,
1:01:28
figure
1:01:29
out
1:01:29
how
1:01:29
to
1:01:29
do
1:01:29
it
1:01:29
now.
1:01:30
Because
1:01:30
it's.
1:01:30
Now
1:01:31
is
1:01:31
as
1:01:31
good
1:01:31
as
1:01:31
any
1:01:32
time.
1:01:32
So
1:01:32
you
1:01:32
got
1:01:32
to
1:01:33
just
1:01:33
figure
1:01:33
it
1:01:33
out
1:01:33
if
1:01:33
you
1:01:34
really
1:01:34
want
1:01:34
this.
1:01:34
For
1:01:34
sure.
1:01:35
I
1:01:35
really
1:01:35
appreciate
1:01:36
that.
1:01:36
That's
1:01:36
great
1:01:37
advice.
1:01:38
Encouragement
1:01:39
for
1:01:39
readers.
1:01:40
So
1:01:41
why
1:01:41
should
1:01:42
someone
1:01:44
purchase
1:01:44
your
1:01:44
book
1:01:45
and
1:01:45
read
1:01:45
it?
1:01:46
Not
1:01:46
only
1:01:47
is
1:01:47
it
1:01:47
the
1:01:47
only
1:01:48
book
1:01:48
about
1:01:49
podcasting
1:01:49
for
1:01:49
kids,
1:01:50
so
1:01:50
really
1:01:50
it's
1:01:51
a
1:01:51
trailblazer
1:01:52
in
1:01:52
and
1:01:52
of
1:01:53
itself,
1:01:54
but
1:01:55
I
1:01:55
do
1:01:56
think
1:01:56
that
1:01:56
gifting
1:01:57
this
1:01:57
to
1:01:57
a
1:01:57
child
1:01:58
is
1:01:58
not
1:01:59
only
1:01:59
fun
1:01:59
and
1:01:59
entertaining,
1:02:00
but
1:02:00
they're
1:02:00
going
1:02:01
to
1:02:01
learn.
1:02:01
And
1:02:01
I
1:02:01
think
1:02:01
that's
1:02:02
the
1:02:02
nice
1:02:02
little
1:02:02
mix
1:02:03
of
1:02:03
having
1:02:03
something
1:02:03
that's
1:02:04
entertaining
1:02:05
but
1:02:05
also
1:02:06
educational.
1:02:07
And
1:02:08
it
1:02:08
strikes
1:02:09
that
1:02:09
right
1:02:09
down
1:02:09
the
1:02:10
middle.
1:02:10
And
1:02:10
it's
1:02:11
not
1:02:11
just
1:02:11
the
1:02:11
book
1:02:12
as
1:02:12
you
1:02:12
alluded
1:02:13
to
1:02:13
in
1:02:13
the
1:02:13
beginning.
1:02:14
It
1:02:14
really
1:02:14
sparks
1:02:15
your
1:02:15
imagination.
1:02:16
And
1:02:16
then
1:02:16
there's
1:02:16
the
1:02:17
work
1:02:17
pages
1:02:17
in
1:02:17
the
1:02:17
back.
1:02:18
And
1:02:18
I've
1:02:19
seen
1:02:19
already
1:02:20
so
1:02:20
many
1:02:20
kids
1:02:21
bring
1:02:21
their
1:02:21
book
1:02:21
back
1:02:22
to
1:02:22
me
1:02:22
with
1:02:22
it
1:02:22
all
1:02:22
filled
1:02:23
out.
1:02:23
I've
1:02:23
had
1:02:23
kids
1:02:24
record
1:02:24
stuff.
1:02:25
That's
1:02:25
great.
1:02:26
So
1:02:26
cute.
1:02:27
Yeah.
1:02:27
So
1:02:27
it
1:02:28
really
1:02:28
does.
1:02:29
This
1:02:29
is,
1:02:29
like,
1:02:30
starting
1:02:30
point
1:02:31
for
1:02:31
who
1:02:31
knows
1:02:32
how
1:02:32
many
1:02:33
hours
1:02:33
of
1:02:34
entertainment
1:02:35
and
1:02:35
learning.
1:02:36
So
1:02:36
I
1:02:36
do
1:02:36
think
1:02:37
it's.
1:02:37
Yeah,
1:02:37
it's
1:02:37
a
1:02:38
good
1:02:38
thing
1:02:38
to
1:02:38
gift
1:02:39
to
1:02:39
a
1:02:39
little
1:02:39
one
1:02:40
in
1:02:40
your
1:02:40
life.
1:02:40
It's
1:02:41
so
1:02:41
cool
1:02:41
now
1:02:41
because
1:02:42
you
1:02:42
know
1:02:42
what?
1:02:43
All
1:02:43
five
1:02:44
of
1:02:44
my
1:02:44
grandchildren
1:02:45
have.
1:02:45
Guess
1:02:46
what?
1:02:46
They
1:02:47
have
1:02:47
a
1:02:48
phone.
1:02:48
Yeah.
1:02:48
Yeah.
1:02:49
Okay.
1:02:49
And
1:02:50
they.
1:02:50
And
1:02:50
today
1:02:51
they're
1:02:51
so
1:02:51
sophisticated.
1:02:53
The
1:02:53
ability
1:02:53
to
1:02:54
record
1:02:54
on
1:02:54
them
1:02:55
and
1:02:55
the
1:02:55
quality
1:02:56
is
1:02:56
so
1:02:56
good.
1:02:57
Yeah.
1:02:57
So
1:02:58
this
1:02:58
is
1:02:58
not
1:02:58
going
1:02:58
anywhere.
1:02:59
All
1:02:59
this
1:02:59
to
1:02:59
say
1:02:59
is
1:03:00
podcasting
1:03:00
is
1:03:00
not
1:03:00
going
1:03:00
anywhere.
1:03:01
And
1:03:01
so
1:03:02
you
1:03:02
might
1:03:02
as
1:03:02
well.
1:03:02
And
1:03:03
already
1:03:03
when
1:03:03
I
1:03:03
go
1:03:03
into
1:03:04
grade
1:03:04
one,
1:03:04
two,
1:03:04
three
1:03:04
classes,
1:03:05
I
1:03:06
always
1:03:06
say,
1:03:06
who
1:03:06
knows
1:03:06
what
1:03:06
a
1:03:07
podcast
1:03:07
is
1:03:07
before
1:03:07
I
1:03:07
even
1:03:08
start.
1:03:08
There's
1:03:08
always
1:03:10
a
1:03:10
handful
1:03:10
of
1:03:10
kids
1:03:11
that
1:03:11
already
1:03:11
know
1:03:11
they're
1:03:11
starting
1:03:12
young.
1:03:12
So
1:03:13
you
1:03:13
might
1:03:13
as
1:03:13
well
1:03:14
equip
1:03:14
them
1:03:14
to
1:03:14
know
1:03:15
what
1:03:15
it's
1:03:15
all
1:03:15
about
1:03:15
and
1:03:16
inspire
1:03:16
them
1:03:17
in
1:03:17
a
1:03:17
positive
1:03:17
way.
1:03:18
For
1:03:18
sure.
1:03:19
Absolutely.
1:03:20
Final
1:03:20
thoughts.
1:03:21
Is
1:03:22
there
1:03:22
anything
1:03:22
that
1:03:23
you
1:03:23
think
1:03:23
I
1:03:23
missed
1:03:23
I
1:03:24
should
1:03:24
have
1:03:24
said?
1:03:24
Oh,
1:03:25
and
1:03:25
you
1:03:25
might
1:03:25
say
1:03:25
to
1:03:26
yourself,
1:03:26
I
1:03:26
wish
1:03:26
Rick
1:03:27
would
1:03:27
have
1:03:27
asked
1:03:27
me
1:03:28
that
1:03:28
question.
1:03:28
I
1:03:29
think
1:03:29
you
1:03:29
asked
1:03:29
me
1:03:30
really
1:03:30
thoughtful
1:03:30
questions
1:03:31
and
1:03:31
I
1:03:31
haven't
1:03:31
done
1:03:32
an
1:03:32
in
1:03:32
depth
1:03:32
interview
1:03:33
about
1:03:33
my
1:03:33
kids
1:03:33
book
1:03:33
like
1:03:34
this
1:03:34
yet.
1:03:34
So
1:03:34
this
1:03:34
is
1:03:35
really.
1:03:35
You
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got
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a
1:03:36
lot
1:03:36
of
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first
1:03:36
time
1:03:36
anecdotes
1:03:37
from
1:03:37
me
1:03:37
from
1:03:37
sharing
1:03:38
publicly.
1:03:38
The
1:03:38
only
1:03:39
thing
1:03:39
other
1:03:39
thing
1:03:39
I
1:03:39
think
1:03:39
I'll
1:03:40
say
1:03:40
that's
1:03:40
a
1:03:41
fun
1:03:41
fact
1:03:41
is
1:03:42
the
1:03:42
version
1:03:42
of
1:03:43
me
1:03:43
that's
1:03:43
on
1:03:43
the
1:03:43
COVID
1:03:44
of
1:03:44
the
1:03:44
book,
1:03:44
which
1:03:45
is
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me
1:03:45
in
1:03:45
this
1:03:45
like
1:03:45
purple
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sweater
1:03:47
with
1:03:47
these
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orange
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headphones.
1:03:48
Like
1:03:49
that
1:03:49
was
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an
1:03:50
image
1:03:50
that
1:03:50
actually
1:03:51
existed.
1:03:51
I
1:03:51
own
1:03:52
this
1:03:52
purple
1:03:52
sweater
1:03:53
like
1:03:53
truly.
1:03:54
And
1:03:54
so
1:03:54
it's
1:03:54
been
1:03:54
fun.
1:03:55
If
1:03:55
you're
1:03:55
ever
1:03:55
going
1:03:55
to
1:03:56
make
1:03:56
yourself
1:03:56
into
1:03:56
a
1:03:56
cartoon,
1:03:57
it's
1:03:58
actually
1:03:58
great
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
own
1:03:58
the
1:03:59
outfit
1:03:59
that
1:03:59
you
1:03:59
have
1:04:00
because
1:04:00
then
1:04:00
when
1:04:00
I
1:04:00
go
1:04:00
out
1:04:01
places
1:04:01
with
1:04:01
it,
1:04:02
oh,
1:04:02
it's
1:04:02
just
1:04:03
always
1:04:03
a
1:04:03
hit.
1:04:03
Like
1:04:04
people
1:04:04
really
1:04:04
love
1:04:05
it.
1:04:05
The
1:04:05
the
1:04:06
illustrator
1:04:06
has
1:04:07
in
1:04:07
a
1:04:08
orange.
1:04:09
Now
1:04:09
this
1:04:09
is
1:04:09
kind
1:04:10
of
1:04:10
wild.
1:04:10
Let's
1:04:10
see
1:04:10
if
1:04:11
I
1:04:11
can
1:04:11
find
1:04:11
it
1:04:11
here
1:04:11
and
1:04:12
show
1:04:12
you.
1:04:12
This
1:04:13
is
1:04:13
our
1:04:13
second
1:04:13
book.
1:04:14
Page
1:04:14
five
1:04:14
illustration.
1:04:15
Here's
1:04:15
me
1:04:16
in
1:04:16
an
1:04:16
orange
1:04:17
jacket.
1:04:18
Yeah,
1:04:19
right.
1:04:19
And
1:04:20
I
1:04:20
said
1:04:20
and
1:04:20
do
1:04:20
you
1:04:21
own.
1:04:21
An
1:04:21
orange
1:04:21
jacket,
1:04:22
Rick?
1:04:22
I've
1:04:22
actually
1:04:23
Amazoned
1:04:24
it.
1:04:24
I
1:04:25
actually
1:04:25
looked
1:04:25
on
1:04:26
Amazon
1:04:26
to
1:04:26
find
1:04:27
can
1:04:27
I
1:04:27
buy
1:04:28
one?
1:04:29
And
1:04:29
did
1:04:29
you
1:04:29
find
1:04:29
one?
1:04:30
I
1:04:30
did,
1:04:31
yes.
1:04:32
Okay.
1:04:32
I
1:04:32
haven't
1:04:33
ordered
1:04:33
it
1:04:33
yet,
1:04:33
but
1:04:33
I
1:04:34
found
1:04:34
it.
1:04:34
Okay,
1:04:35
but
1:04:35
see,
1:04:35
you've
1:04:36
done
1:04:36
it
1:04:36
backwards.
1:04:36
You
1:04:36
got
1:04:37
to
1:04:37
do
1:04:37
it
1:04:37
the
1:04:37
other
1:04:37
way
1:04:37
around.
1:04:37
You
1:04:38
got
1:04:38
to
1:04:38
own
1:04:38
the.
1:04:38
Yeah,
1:04:38
thanks
1:04:39
for
1:04:39
sharing
1:04:39
that.
1:04:40
There
1:04:40
you
1:04:40
go.
1:04:41
Amanda,
1:04:42
thank
1:04:42
you
1:04:43
so
1:04:43
much
1:04:43
for
1:04:43
being
1:04:43
a
1:04:43
guest
1:04:44
on
1:04:44
the
1:04:44
Adventures
1:04:45
in
1:04:45
the
1:04:45
Heart
1:04:45
of
1:04:45
Children's
1:04:46
Book
1:04:46
Authors
1:04:46
podcast.
1:04:47
The
1:04:47
generosity
1:04:48
of
1:04:48
time
1:04:49
and
1:04:50
your
1:04:50
insights.
1:04:51
Again,
1:04:51
I'm
1:04:51
always
1:04:52
looking
1:04:52
for
1:04:53
something
1:04:53
new
1:04:54
and
1:04:55
you
1:04:56
bringing
1:04:56
this
1:04:57
cool
1:04:57
skill
1:04:58
to
1:04:58
children.
1:04:59
I
1:04:59
just
1:05:00
love
1:05:00
it.
1:05:00
So
1:05:00
thank
1:05:00
you
1:05:01
for
1:05:01
doing
1:05:01
that
1:05:02
and
1:05:02
we
1:05:02
promise
1:05:02
to
1:05:03
provide
1:05:03
the
1:05:03
audience
1:05:04
with
1:05:04
links
1:05:05
to
1:05:05
Amanda's
1:05:05
website,
1:05:06
her
1:05:06
social
1:05:07
media
1:05:07
links,
1:05:08
and
1:05:08
if
1:05:08
you've
1:05:08
enjoyed
1:05:09
this
1:05:09
episode,
1:05:09
please
1:05:10
hit
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subscribe
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1:05:14
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1:05:15
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share
1:05:15
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1:05:16
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1:05:16
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1:05:16
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1:05:17
inspired
1:05:18
by
1:05:19
or
1:05:19
who
1:05:19
enjoys
1:05:20
hearing
1:05:21
about
1:05:21
Amanda
1:05:22
and
1:05:22
her
1:05:23
children's
1:05:23
book.
1:05:24
Let's
1:05:24
talk
1:05:25
podcasting
1:05:26
for
1:05:26
kids.
1:05:27
Thanks
1:05:27
Amanda.
1:05:28
Thanks.