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The Hat Man CREEPIEST Lore: Sleep Paralysis, Dweller On The Threshold, or Something More Ominous? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Drum roll. Na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na
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  -na. Catman! I don't think I did enough nods
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  in there, but you get the gist. Catman and Joker.
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  Robin. Penguin. Try to speak, I dare you. I'm
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  sorry. No, I was going to say, I hope I didn't
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  ruin that because I was knocking on the... Microphone?
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  Yeah, I cannot hear that. Oh, okay, good. I didn't
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  know if it would be like... Say that again? One
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  more time? I don't even know how to make that
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  sound again. It was like... I don't know. Ladies
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  and gentlemen, for the first time ever, Ever.
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  On any recorded medium. We have documented. The
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  first audible evidence. Of a hat man. One more
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  time Angela. Ladies and gentlemen. We did it.
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  Hat man spoke. Oh my god. Stop. Two minute episode.
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  Welcome, everyone, to the new year. Our haters
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  are probably wishing that. Our what? Our haters
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  are probably wishing for a two -minute episode.
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  Yeah, the December fans. They really wanted two
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  minutes. But the November fans, they know that
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  we got an hour of cheese layers in us. Oh, if
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  you thought 2025 was awesome with the... hour
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  -long cheese layers get ready for 2026 where
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  we spend two minutes on hat man we're that we're
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  that good we don't need to spend an hour we found
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  him in the first two minutes guys very sad news
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  wait did i hear it again am i hallucinating yes
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  you're hallucinating i mean they do say a lot
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  of hat man sightings are like hallucinations
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  and like sleep paralysis but we'll probably get
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  into that um i just have sad news and that's
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  this episode is only going downhill from here
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  this is probably the best intro we've ever done
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  yeah if you say so welcome to our podcast where
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  we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens Okay, welcome to this
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  episode of Paranormal Lens. We're talking about
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  Hat Man. And that man is a ghost. Or is it? You
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  don't want to see, actually. You don't know.
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  Allegedly. It might be Benadryl. A lot of people
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  say it's like a Benadryl. hallucination induced
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  hallucination yeah i love the joke where it's
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  like yeah i'm gonna go load up on some benadryl
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  and fight the hat man tonight um it's just a
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  wild concept to me how much benadryl does someone
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  have to take a lot like probably three times
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  the regular dose good to know let's all do that
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  and let's together and we'll let's not do that
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  high on benadryl i'm i'm bleeping that because
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  that's really terrible advice to give to our
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  listeners and you can get in serious trouble
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  angela by encouraging such dangerous activity
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  um like lawsuits i don't think you're prepared
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  for a lawsuit how can what what's so dangerous
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  about fighting hat man no no no Fighting Hat
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  Man is not the concerning thing about that statement,
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  Angela. I'm joking, I'm joking. The fact that
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  we're five minutes into this episode and fighting
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  Hat Man is not a concerning thing that's being
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  discussed? Like, everything else is more concerning
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  than fighting Hat Man. It is a concerning topic.
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  I thought this was going to be a fun episode.
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  All seriousness, though. You don't know what
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  Hat Man is. You don't know what powers he holds.
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  You just, like, look at him in his eyes. You
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  might just burst into flames. You never even
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  know. Why are you saying you? Hang on. Okay.
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  No, stop. She's saying you. Very clearly directed
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  to us. No, no. You're looking at me and Brianna
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  and saying, you guys, you don't know Hatman like
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  I know Hatman. You don't know that he looks in
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  your eyes and you personally, that's not even
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  part of the lore. You're adding to the lore.
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  You've seen Hatman. No, I haven't. No, why are
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  you talking like you have? Hey, so speaking of,
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  when you guys caught that figure. Oh. Should
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  we do a flashback to when we talked about this?
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  Yes. So we don't have to again? Okay. For all
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  the viewers to the video, this is going to be,
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  like, Afterlife Road, like, throwback branding.
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  I'm not replacing that. So, like, yay, living
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  the nostalgia. This is us, like, a year ago talking
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  about this. Are you sharing it? Oh, God, no.
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  There it is. This photo, and I'm not a big photo
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  guy, by the way. I hate it. That's so creepy.
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  Oh, it's terrible. Absolutely terrible. I've
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  never captured a photo or claimed to see a photo
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  that I think is 100 % genuine paranormal activity.
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  That's not a person. That's not a person in the
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  group. Did you zoom in on the face? It looks
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  like a dog. It has a snout. It has a face of
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  a dog almost. It looks like it has a top hat
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  on. Yes! You see the hat too! Okay, but see,
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  before you go further into it, when you first,
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  when you guys sent me the picture, I thought
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  it was a picture of Ben at first, like just a
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  blurry picture of Ben, like the stance and everything.
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  I wasn't in the room. Do you want to know the
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  funny thing is, I showed my mom this, and he
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  says, is that Ben? Like, now we have two people
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  who think that looks like Ben. Now I don't even
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  like this now. Yeah. But that's that, but that,
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  with the enhanced, like, because it looks like
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  a person wearing a t -shirt. That's the thing.
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  And then you look at it more, and, well, I mean,
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  you don't really have to look at it too deeply
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  to see that the face is not right. Not human.
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  Where's the other arm? Yeah. And also, it's wearing
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  a top hat. Like, a top, what? Where's the torso?
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  It disappears. Where's their left arm? Yeah,
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  that is such an insane picture. Okay. What were
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  you saying, Bree? Yeah, I just wanted to bring
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  it up because, like, it does look like something
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  that you could describe as a hat man. Because
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  it does look like it has a top hat in the picture.
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  So technically, you guys may have actually come
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  across the hat man before. That's true, that
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  is true. So, let's just get more, like, really
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  dive into this. What do you guys think the hat
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  man is? Okay, am I right or wrong? In, there's
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  an umbrella topic of shadow figures, and then
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  there's one specific shadow figure. I'm still
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  confused, personally, if there's, like, one hat
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  man running around, or if it's, like, a type
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  of entity that all, like, there's many hat men,
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  but still, it's like... Of shadow figures? The
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  king, you said? Yeah, the king of shadow figures.
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  Maybe. Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting way
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  to put it. That's the interesting thing about
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  Hat Man is there is so many things it could be.
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  And it doesn't seem like there's just one. It
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  could be potentially multiple. And they're not
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  always all the same. You got the classic hat
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  man that you see in Sleep Paralysis. You take
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  too much Benadryl. He's looming in the corner
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  of your bedroom watching you. Then you got shadow
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  figure hat men that you see when you are in haunted
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  locations. I mean, I remember one of the, like,
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  I always say the hat man with hauntings is like
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  the opposite of a lady in white. If you're at
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  a haunted location, you're always going to either
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  have a lady in white or a black shadowy figure
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  with a top hat. Okay, that's really interesting
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  because you think the white dress and the top
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  hat, those are all very classic dressed -up people
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  imagery for that era. So it's interesting that
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  you take the archetype of a dressed -up guy wearing
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  all black and a top hat and a white dress. And
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  then... I thought of this the other night when
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  I was thinking about the hat man because one
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  of my old bosses had actually messaged me. It
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  was like, hey, have you heard of this thing?
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  I've never heard of it before and was like super
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  interested in it. And I was thinking about it
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  when I was messaging her back and I'm like, could
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  he also be considered like a dweller entity?
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  Yeah. Like a dweller on the threshold? I had
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  two points to bring to this conversation, and
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  that was one of them. It could make sense with
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  our experience of Hat Man, if you would say.
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  Yeah, I was going to say with your guys' experience
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  with the Hat Man. Even beyond that, I'm going
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  to remind you, the very first written account
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  of the Dweller on the Threshold, named as the
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  Dweller on the Threshold, was in this book called
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  Zanoni. and the very first written documentation
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  of the dwelling on the threshold was this like
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  shadowy demonic being that you saw like it woke
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  you up at night and it crawled in bed with you
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  and that's very much like so it's set in the
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  stage of like a guy sleeping wakes up almost
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  in like a sleep paralysis type of state this
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  thing crawls on his like chest right and that
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  if you read zanoni through that lens of, like,
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  a guy having a sleep paralysis, this gives Hat
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  Man vibes. Mm -hmm. You know? Yeah, it does.
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  Does Hat Man crawl in bed with people? No, but
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  still, the idea of a shadow hunched over you
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  and sleep paralysis. And not being able to move.
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  That's what sleep paralysis is. You're frozen.
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  You can't move. Like, yeah. I just got really
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  caught off on that. Think of a book, like, back
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  then, you know, like, if you think, like, how
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  they want to explain, like, the sensation of
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  sleep paralysis, like, weight on your chest they
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  put the shadow figure on top of you because it's
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  easier to conceptualize like this thing sitting
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  on you um compared to just being frozen like
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  not being able to move like paralyzed yeah because
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  that's the thing like a lot of these books i
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  mean side note like they kind of were fiction
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  accounts of like real phenomena so it's like
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  that's just another but anyways yeah that gave
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  you know i was thinking about sleep paralysis
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  and zanoni um and stuff and i was like could
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  hat man be because it's also said to be like
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  a really tall do you guys uh see this like hat
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  man spirits or whatever people see are like eight
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  feet tall like super tall yeah yeah i have heard
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  that before but is it because here's a question
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  is the shadow man entity eight feet tall and
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  like super tall or is it the shadow of an entity
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  in the shadow because shadows are taller than
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  you you know oh yeah though is that why you're
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  so tall and also is the shadow like the shadow
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  figure the hat man is what we are seeing the
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  actual entity or is it the shadow of the entity
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  i guess that's the question yeah yeah that's
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  a good point yeah because if it is the shadow
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  of the entity that is literally the dweller because
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  it is the shadow self wait hold up Because the
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  dweller is your shadow self. Like your shadow.
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  Yeah. So maybe the shadow is the dweller for
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  each spirit or whatever. Because it's also that
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  goes hand in hand with the double and the doppelganger,
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  right? Like your doppelganger, your double, your
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  shadow, right? How do we know that we're seeing
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  a spirit and not the spirit's double or the spirit's
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  shadow? That's a good point, and I really like
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  that idea. Yeah, that's interesting. Another
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  thing, if we're going to move on from that. Let's
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  just keep dropping things to blow each other's
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  minds. Keep dropping it. Going back to it being...
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  something that's seen in sleep paralysis could
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  also be some sort of egregore. Of course, we
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  have to talk about egregores. What episode do
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  we not talk about egregores? Some things don't
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  change in the new year. Anything could be an
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  egregore. What can I say? You think about it,
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  if one person has this... has this experience
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  during a sleep paralysis episode they see a shadow
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  figure of a top hat man they relay this experience
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  like online or to a friend or somebody else and
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  somebody else who has sleep paralysis hears about
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  it and then the next time they have some sort
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  of sleep paralysis episode they're suddenly seeing
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  it because whether or not it is real their subconscious
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  will remember oh hey i heard something about
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  someone seeing a shadowy top hat figure in their
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  sleep paralysis and then bam it's suddenly in
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  their sleep paralysis and it just keeps happening
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  over and over again and all these people start
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  seeing it and so in one theory it is just something
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  that people are imagining it's not really real
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  but at what point could that be become become
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  a living real or not like living but a real thing
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  or an aggregate because so many people have seen
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  it and experienced it and believe in it i think
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  it's once because here's the thing a lot of people
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  get trapped in like the sleep paralysis like
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  idea of it i'm more interested in because it's
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  easier to explain the sleep paralysis stuff just
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  because yeah you kind of know at this point like
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  what your body's doing and creating these visions
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  but like maybe it becomes an egregore when you
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  see a shadow figure or a hat man outside of your
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  sleep paralysis when you're awake because a lot
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  of people do see it like like you said in like
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  haunted locations not just while sleeping yeah
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  i don't know but like i said i think that could
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  be more than just it's another lady in white
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  scenario like someone sees a shadowy a white
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  mist and they're like oh my gosh it was a lady
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  in white someone sees a shadow in a corner it
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  looks vaguely like a person they're like oh my
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  gosh she has a top hat it's the top hat man like
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  i i i feel less inclined to believe that that's
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  like like it it's falls under the encompassment
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  of a hat man but it is not a true hat man Fair.
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  So you're definitely in the belief then that
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  I mean, do you think there's like one hat man
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  going around or do you think it's just like a
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  type? I don't know. I feel like there's multiple
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  things that can be considered a hat man. So it's
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  illogical to think that it is just one being.
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  Because they appear all over the place. Yeah.
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  Agreed. And if there is one hat man? And you,
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  like, experience the hat man. Be like, what's
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  so special about me? Why are you showing yourself
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  to me? You know, there's nothing special about
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  us. That's why I feel like there's probably many,
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  multiple. Who knows, though? Something I did
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  find out that I thought was really interesting.
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  A piece of hat man lore that I personally never
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  heard of before until earlier today. did you
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  guys know that some sightings this isn't like
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  common but it's significant enough where it's
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  like noted in a number of articles and like threads
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  about it a portion of people that see the hat
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  man not just a top hat they see it with they
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  see a gold pocket watch and that he glances like
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  every couple seconds at his pocket watch that's
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  like made of gold and he takes it out So it's
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  not just the hat, it's the pocket watch, which
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  really struck me as interesting. I never heard
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  of this before. It's like that just that just
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  made a different idea thought pop into my brain.
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  Could the hat man also be some sort of representation
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  of like a grim reaper? It struck me as particularly
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  interesting because like, have you guys I mean,
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  we've gone we. have a clip of it in our new project
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  remote contact which is now streaming on paraflux
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  paranormal plus but we've had instances where
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  spirits have acknowledged like what time it is
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  to them and sometimes it's like synced up but
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  have you ever heard of a spirit like actually
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  acknowledging like a clock in the room or time
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  or like because that's that seems weird to me
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  i don't know why like that a spirit would be
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  like looking at A watch or a clock. Hmm. Yeah.
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  I don't know. I guess I've never really thought
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  about it. I can't think of a time where they
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  acknowledge the time or a clock necessarily.
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  Yeah. You bring up a good point. Now I'm really
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  curious. What is the hat man with the pocket
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  watch? What is he waiting for? What does he keep
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  checking for? You know. Makes me really curious.
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  Do these people explain where they saw this hat
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  man with the watch at? Was it during dreams?
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  Yeah, I think this was mostly the sleep paralysis
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  version of it. Okay. Interesting. I don't know.
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  There's just so many different - I don't know
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  how I like that. That's kind of creepy, honestly.
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  Yeah. There's just so many different things that
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  we could talk about with the hat man. It's kind
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  of like overwhelming about which thing to talk
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  about. It's like what to talk about next. I don't
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  know what to... Well, I'm liking that the vibe
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  of this is just like we're one -upping each other
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  with just like mind fucks. Yeah. No, the whole
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  watch thing was a big... Yeah, I hadn't heard
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  about this. the the watch before i did read like
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  earlier that some people see him with a fedora
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  and not a top hat and i'm like okay okay maybe
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  he changes no he can't change hats because it's
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  always i guess hey maybe there's some that are
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  top hat men and some that are fedora hat men
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  never know i was thinking maybe they change their
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  hats to appeal to whatever person's seeing them
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  I thought you were going to say they can't change
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  hats because the hat is a part of their body.
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  It's not actually a hat. It's just like they
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  have a weird shaped head. Why a hat though? Why
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  a hat? No, we're just seeing it as a cryptid.
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  That its shape resembles a top hat. And we're
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  just ascribing that. Yeah, it really makes me
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  like... Oh gosh, I don't know. This makes me
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  think back to that photo. It had the outline.
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  And you could see, like, an actual physical shirt.
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  Yeah, it looked like it was wearing a t -shirt,
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  but it was wearing a top hat, which made no sense.
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  And I'm just like, how can spirits... I don't
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  know the word to use. I guess I'm going to use
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  manifest, like, manifest clothing on them. Wait,
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  wait, wait. Hold on. You know what I mean? Hold
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  on, hold on. In a rare treat for November fans,
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  Angela is starting a new channel called Only
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  November Fans, where according to her, all ghosts
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  are supposed to be naked. So we will post all
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  of our apparition photos on this Only November
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  Fans. And we're leaving this hat man. For everyone
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  else for free. The whole thing about ghosts having
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  clothes on when you see apparitions really kind
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  of mindfucked me. Wait, wait, wait. A naked ghost
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  just mindfucked you? What? Are you talking about?
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  Are ghosts supposed to be naked, Angela? Well,
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  why are they wearing clothes? What's so important
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  about clothes to the point it's... They're manifested
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  on the spirits when there's an apparition of
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  them. Shouldn't it just be, like, their body?
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  I guess it all comes down to the energy that
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  they had and have in self. But, like, why is
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  there clothes? Okay, think about it this way.
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  So, if we really, really think about it, and
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  most things that we... encounter. I don't think
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  I've ever seen anything that actually has some
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  sort of clothing on with my physical eyes or
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  anything like that. I've seen shadow figures,
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  just masses, nothing descript. Most of those
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  things that we've connected with have, I think,
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  sometimes been more intelligent. When you think
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  about things that are descript, they are more
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  of a residual haunting and an impression on time.
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  So they are going to be wearing the clothing
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  that they would have been wearing on that impression
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  in time. That makes sense. So they're not manifesting
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  it. It is an imprint of that moment of themselves
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  in that spot in that time. So you are going to
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  see them as they were at that point now. Yes,
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  manifesting wasn't the right word to use. And
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  I get the whole residual haunting thing and why
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  residual apparitions might have ghosts close
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  on. Might. They might. They might. Not all ghosts.
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  You never know. You never know. But that still
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  doesn't answer the question about the hat man.
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  That's why he's wearing a hat. I don't believe
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  hat man is a residual thing. I think this is
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  a very intelligent. he's either intelligent or
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  not real so how does he have clothes you know
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  what i mean or does the afterlife do afterlifes
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  have clothes like i mean i don't think they can
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  change their clothing no clothes seem like such
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  a human based thing so like how do most human
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  entities have clothes you know what i mean it's
• 24:55
  just very interesting yeah i mean you are giving
• 24:58
  me ideas on uh On beyondtheafterlife .com, when
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  we have more, we should have a section called
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  Afterlife Clothes, and that's where we have all
• 25:06
  our t -shirts. We should have some top hats.
• 25:12
  Yes! Top hats! Our logo is, like, tall anyways.
• 25:19
  Yeah, it would fit on a top hat. Oh my god, that's
• 25:22
  amazing. So, this reminded me, though, not that...
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  nudity and and stuff um but the the other stuff
• 25:32
  that brie was saying um if this is you know brie
• 25:37
  said it's like either intelligent or like not
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  real i'd say it's even more it's like super intelligent
• 25:43
  or super not real because it's got to be so intelligent
• 25:46
  that it like you'd think a entity like this like
• 25:51
  doesn't abide by time it's like kind of a time
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  traveler out of time type of entity which if
• 26:02
  it's not bound by any laws of like physics or
• 26:05
  even time two things come to mind here one why
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  would it choose the classic like top hat look
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  unless it wanted to fit in with the stereotypical
• 26:17
  ghost or be kind of opposite to the woman of
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  white like you were saying brie but also if it's
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  not bound by time and it's so intelligent right
• 26:26
  that it's like an entity that's not of this because
• 26:28
  it wouldn't be an intelligent entity of a person
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  there's not like a person died and then that
• 26:34
  person is the hat man running around like this
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  is like i gotta assume like an entity like a
• 26:40
  type of entity why is it looking at a stopwatch
• 26:44
  like why does it have a pocket watch why why
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  is there has to be meaning to it why is it checking
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  the time if it's not bound by time it brings
• 26:53
  back that um thought that we like kind of talked
• 26:58
  about in some previous episodes of like why are
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  most ghosts that we see or like people report
• 27:04
  seeing our victorian era ghosts like i think
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  top hats and pocket watches are not something
• 27:13
  you see not nowadays nowadays And it brings back
• 27:17
  that fact of during the Victorian era and even
• 27:22
  back in the 40s during spiritualism and stuff.
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  That was when people were really opening themselves
• 27:30
  up to the paranormal and doing these acts of
• 27:35
  seances and talking to the dead and those sorts
• 27:38
  of things. So it would make sense that those...
• 27:42
  people those periods of time would make more
• 27:46
  of an impression on what we're seeing nowadays
• 27:49
  so is the top hat man something that came about
• 27:53
  say during the era of spiritualism when top hats
• 27:58
  were more of a fashion statement and pocket watches
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  yes and brie even if not even if it's something
• 28:07
  like That answers Angela's question, too, of
• 28:10
  why would this, like, entity choose to, like,
• 28:13
  wear clothes and wear a top hat? A, perhaps of
• 28:18
  the time, in the spiritual era, perhaps it wanted
• 28:23
  to seem more human, seem like a typical spirit
• 28:29
  of the time. And even nowadays, if an entity
• 28:32
  wanted to look like all the other ghosts, the
• 28:35
  human ghosts, it would... be victorian era where
• 28:39
  a top hat fit in with the with all the other
• 28:42
  ghosts yeah with the woman in white archetype
• 28:44
  like these are archetypes that are known to us
• 28:46
  so theoretically an inhuman entity if it wanted
• 28:49
  to fit in with all the other known ghosts it
• 28:53
  would lean into those archetypes and choose something
• 28:55
  like a top hat yeah I would love to see a ghost
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  at some point or a shadow figure that has a trucker
• 29:05
  hat and is wearing sweatpants or something. When
• 29:08
  is that going to happen? Yeah, when's all these
• 29:12
  modern ghosts going to appear? You know? Well,
• 29:16
  I see a Chad frat boy ghost. No, you don't. No,
• 29:22
  I don't. I'm curious. But it would be fun. Think
• 29:24
  about doing an investigation where you're like,
• 29:29
  let's play a game of beer pong with the ghosts.
• 29:32
  That would be hilarious. And put the cat balls
• 29:35
  in the ping pong. We should do that sometime.
• 29:38
  Oh my god. That would be fun. You can't tell
• 29:43
  me that wouldn't be fun. No, it would be fun.
• 29:46
  It would be fun, but... We just need to actually
• 29:48
  have the ghosts be able to pick up... the cat
• 29:51
  balls to no no no just put put the cat balls
• 29:54
  in the the cups and like their motion can like
• 29:59
  oh go off yeah yeah like okay oh and then and
• 30:04
  then oh do you know what and if the ball goes
• 30:06
  off you take out that cup if you if you do that
• 30:11
  but like kind of like like betting and if it
• 30:16
  the cat ball goes off in your cup that you bet
• 30:19
  on that means you have to drink what's ever in
• 30:21
  the cup. Oh, so you guys want to have a beer
• 30:29
  pong gambling session with a ghost named Chad
• 30:32
  in a haunted frat house. Yes, that sounds like
• 30:36
  so much fun. It really does. Oh, that sounds
• 30:41
  so fucking fun. Anyways, Hat Man, very interesting
• 30:45
  topic. There's an issue here, though. there's
• 30:50
  so much to talk about that it's almost overwhelming
• 30:55
  like you said brie but also our little setup
• 31:00
  here of like just topping each other with just
• 31:02
  like the most insane things we found that like
• 31:05
  are breaking our brains actually broke our brains
• 31:09
  i feel like if we just like slid into this easy
• 31:12
  of like What is a hat man? We could have been
• 31:16
  talking for like another hour, but since we were
• 31:18
  so bang, bang, bang, I know, I know. But like,
• 31:21
  if anyone's wondering why this is a little on
• 31:25
  the shorter side, like we, we cut the whole setup
• 31:29
  and we went right into bang, bang, bang, bang.
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