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Trump Isn't Friends With Dolly Parton or George Washington (w. Hannah Solow) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Melissa Malbranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about Dolly Parton's death and
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  Speaker 1: the suspicious circumstances around the Kardashian sisters. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the GOP majority and how they accomplished Lake America.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all the news and bananas,
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  Speaker 1: how you're not a New Yorker until your partner sleeps
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  Speaker 1: with your brother. We're going to sit down with our
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  Speaker 1: favorite Broadway boop, Hannah Solo, and we're also going to
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  Speaker 1: answer all your wicked and wild tales from the DMs,
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  Speaker 1: so stick around. I can never pull off a jump.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've tried on a lot of jumpsuits.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen you in a romper.
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  Speaker 1: Can you stop pruning the foliage?
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  Speaker 2: It bothers me for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: It gets caught in the top.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: You don't like that?
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  Speaker 2: Weird. The most random things annoy me.
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  Speaker 1: You know that. Remember when Eric Botcher told us that
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't, his parents.
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  Speaker 3: Plant artificial plants in the yard.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he got them really good artificial plants. In the yard,
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  Speaker 2: he said?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. That's interesting. I have a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 2: has artificial flowers in a pot in front of her
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  Speaker 2: house on either side.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe it wasn't Eric Botcher. Maybe it was you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know Eric Botcher bought his parents like a fake
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  Speaker 2: rubber tree plant.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always mixing people up.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I do all the time? This is
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  Speaker 2: really terrible. When I hear that somebody has died, like
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  Speaker 2: a famous person.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. It hasn't happened lately.
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  Speaker 2: No. So, yeah, there isn't anybody who's died lately where
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I thought they were already dead.
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  Speaker 2: But usually I already think they're dead. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: so-and-so is still alive? I thought they were dead.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Dolly Parton died. I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect foul play.
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  Speaker 2: She was 80.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what we don't know?
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  Speaker 2: What don't we know?
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  Speaker 1: Where were the Kardashians when Dolly Parton died?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know that they are clawing at the archival
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  Speaker 1: outfits to squeeze their bodies into the Dolly Parton looks
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  Speaker 1: for the next Met Gala. Fair. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: know where they are. I want to know an alibi
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  Speaker 1: from KK.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like here's what I think. Given what we
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  Speaker 2: know about Ms. Parton, I think that if they would
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  Speaker 2: have just asked her, she would have loaned it to them.
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  Speaker 1: I really do think so. Yeah, she was so generous
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  Speaker 1: like that. She was so generous.
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  Speaker 2: She would just be like, sure.
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  Speaker 1: We need to protect the archival outfits from the Kardashians
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure they have.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into a sidebar on Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's. What's interesting about Dolly Parton is that it's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where she was just always there.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like my entire life, Dolly Parton was just there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and didn't think about her one way or another. But
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  Speaker 2: every time she popped up, she was cute and bubbly
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  Speaker 2: and she had some songs you could sing along to.
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  Speaker 1: She was never like doing her big one where she
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm going to go on a.
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  Speaker 1: 200-city world tour, bombard you with an album. There's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a billion-dollar media blitz where you can't get
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  Speaker 1: away from me. She was always there, being iconic, being
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  Speaker 1: her incredible self.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and just being one of these people that everybody
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  Speaker 2: gravitated towards, right? Because she was so bubbly and cute
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  Speaker 2: and everything, even when she spoke about serious things. Here
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  Speaker 2: is what I find interesting. Outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: Outraging.
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  Speaker 2: Enraging. It makes me absolutely sick. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa's hands are pressed in prayer. She's invoking the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm just trying to understand, right? The President of
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  Speaker 2: the United States keeps on doing this one thing that
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  Speaker 2: I think is so fucking weird.
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  Speaker 1: Piss off Melissa using this one weird trick.
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  Speaker 2: He keeps on generating, or somebody on his team, they
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  Speaker 2: keep on generating AI images of him doing something, right?
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  Speaker 2: So I think he tweeted that like he knew her
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  Speaker 2: and that she loved him, but instead of, and here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing, right? From now and from when we knew
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  Speaker 2: him before, if there is anything that Donald Trump has
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  Speaker 2: always been is a whore for a photo op, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like he is, He's hopping in a selfie.
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  Speaker 1: He always, he wants.
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  Speaker 2: To be there. So if he did not take a
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  Speaker 2: photo of him and Dolly Parton together and post that,
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  Speaker 2: it's because it doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He's got about 50 photos with Jeffrey Epstein. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: When he showed him, he would still, I think if
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein were still alive, he would be hopping in
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  Speaker 1: a photo with him. He'd be like, well, he's getting
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  Speaker 1: a lot of coverage.
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  Speaker 2: So he generated this AI photo of him and Dolly
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  Speaker 2: walking arm in arm together. And it's, you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: let us for a moment forget what kind of president
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  Speaker 2: he is, right? Let's forget for a moment that he's
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  Speaker 2: killing the country. Just for a second. Just for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it weird how he keeps on doing this? Like
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  Speaker 2: he's generating these AI photos of himself as Jesus himself.
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  Speaker 2: A doctor.
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  Speaker 1: A doctor saving soldiers.
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  Speaker 2: A doctor saving soldiers. Wait, actually.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like where there's no water left for the
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  Speaker 1: data centers, we're in a drought.
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  Speaker 2: I just find it so strange. And I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: Are the people who love him, are they looking at
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  Speaker 2: this and being like, oh, yeah. So he's Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 2: Here he is with the plans of the new ballroom
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  Speaker 2: walking Armand, not Armand Arm, but walking George Washington.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: He's the Pope.
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  Speaker 1: Plans for the ballroom walking arm in arm with Dolly Parton?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. With George Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Not arm in arm, though. But he's leading George Washington
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  Speaker 2: on a tour looking at the new ballroom.
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  Speaker 1: So he's saying this dead president would... Would have loved
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  Speaker 1: my plan. My plan for the ballroom. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He's generated a photo of himself.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's no living former president who would say that
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  Speaker 1: the ballroom's a good idea. He had to get George Washington.
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  Speaker 2: But it's so... I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: It's so stupid.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just stupid.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually really confusing.
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  Speaker 2: It's so confusing.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so....
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  Speaker 1: Someone signed up for the ChatGPT Pro on his team
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, we've got to get the $ 15. 99 worth
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  Speaker 1: of this. We've got the Claude Fable downloaded on his iPad.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to use it or we're going to run
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  Speaker 1: out of usage credits.
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  Speaker 2: I find it actually deeply concerning because I think it
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  Speaker 2: just shows a part of him... He is so unhinged, right?
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  Speaker 2: And you're the president of the United States. Don't you
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  Speaker 2: have anything better to do? Why don't you have anything
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  Speaker 2: better to do? You're laughing.
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  Speaker 3: I am dead.
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  Speaker 1: This is my trauma response.
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  Speaker 2: I am so serious about this.
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  Speaker 1: It is. What are you?
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: What email are you not reading while you're doing this, right?
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  Speaker 1: Or like what treaty did you, you forgot to sign
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  Speaker 1: that housing bill.
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  Speaker 2: You forgot to sign the housing bill, but now it's
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  Speaker 2: Lake America. Fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Lake America, right. He had time for that. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into algorithm as showing on Lake America. What was he
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  Speaker 1: distracting from? What was actually going on? Was it because
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  Speaker 1: there were strikes in Iran? I think that's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It was the same time this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think this is This might be the first
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  Speaker 2: time or the first time in a while where the
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  Speaker 2: United States and Iran have exchanged fire.
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  Speaker 1: In like over a month. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think that this president and his
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  Speaker 2: administration believed that the American people are like kittens that
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  Speaker 2: are very easily distracted by something furry and shiny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right? So let me throw glitter at them so they
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  Speaker 2: could look at that. Or like, remember that dog from
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  Speaker 2: the Up movie? He's a squirrel. Like, that's what I
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  Speaker 2: feel like he thinks that we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And it is working to some extent.
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  Speaker 2: I find it so insulting.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane. It's truly unhinged. And I think that, like,
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  Speaker 1: just renaming shit why though? It would be. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's the other thing is that like, okay. So to
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  Speaker 1: rename something, right? Why there, it actually doesn't make any difference.
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  Speaker 1: It is stupid. It's like sort of a, a PR stunt, right?
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  Speaker 1: If he actually had an agenda and if MAGA and
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  Speaker 1: the Republican party and the GOP were all aligned on
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  Speaker 1: something and they could get Congress to move, right. They
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  Speaker 1: still have the house. They still have Senate. Uh, they're
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  Speaker 1: not aligned on anything. They can't get anything through. They
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get anything through before the midterms. Then
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to be doing all these meaningless stunts, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because they would be moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it's like? I think the last time,
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  Speaker 2: I think we were speaking to Suzanne Lambert. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was her. And She was saying how these people
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  Speaker 2: who are already in a place of privilege, you're already ahead, right?
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  Speaker 2: Ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 1: And you still suck.
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  Speaker 2: And you still suck.
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: Well, white privilege is difficult to admit to when you've
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  Speaker 3: amounted to nothing despite it. Right?
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  Speaker 1: It's so true.
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  Speaker 2: So the president, in theory, I feel like any president
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  Speaker 2: of any given party would want to be in this position, right?
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  Speaker 2: Where all the... everything is sort of aligned in your favor, right?
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  Speaker 2: You have the Congress, you have it. But you're still
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  Speaker 2: not able to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Gas prices went up. Nobody can afford groceries. The groceries
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  Speaker 1: we are buying, they're filled with glass, lead, and possum ankles.
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  Speaker 3: You can't eat anything.
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  Speaker 1: Is what we're eating. We're not eating steak. We're eating
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  Speaker 1: Walrus meat. I'm sorry. Those are possum ankles. I ate
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  Speaker 1: that Argentinian beef and I can't turn my head to
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  Speaker 1: the left now. I don't know what's going on in there,
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  Speaker 1: but you've got the House, you've got the Senate, you've
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  Speaker 1: got the President, you've got everything, and your shitty little
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  Speaker 1: kid is still living in your basement because they can't
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  Speaker 1: afford a house. So what's the tea, baby? At what
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  Speaker 1: point do you start voting different?
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  Speaker 2: And so, again, I always wonder What's going on? What's
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: going on in the home? What's going on in the home, right?
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: Just throw up a graphic, CJ. What's going on in
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  Speaker 1: the home?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on in the home? What's going on in
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  Speaker 2: the house, right? What's going on in the house? Are
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  Speaker 2: the people all whispering to each other?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear what he said?
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  Speaker 4: What do we do?
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: What do we do?
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  Speaker 1: Mag is turning on him as of this morning. So
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: this is, well, not as of this morning. They've done
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  Speaker 1: been turning on him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: But Trump went on Truth Social and was like, America,
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  Speaker 1: we have to get behind data centers. Data centers are
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  Speaker 1: the future. We must accept them all because no one
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  Speaker 1: wants a data center in their backyard.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because it sucks up all the resources.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: It sucks up all the resources. Indiana still doesn't have electricity.
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  Speaker 1: It's been almost three weeks. They've got a data center
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  Speaker 1: right there. They build them right near, like very in
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  Speaker 1: close proximity to underserved communities, predominantly black and brown.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure.
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  Speaker 1: They screw up the power grid. They screw up the
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  Speaker 1: water supply. Like, it's not good. Right. And Trump posted
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  Speaker 1: on Truth Social and was like, y'all, get behind. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why I said y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? I'm allowed.
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  Speaker 2: You are.
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  Speaker 1: I can do a y'all every now and then. It's
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  Speaker 1: gender neutral. Y'all, get behind data centers. We love them.
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  Speaker 1: If we want to be Americans, we've got to love
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  Speaker 1: data centers. Otherwise, we're going to be poor, is what
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  Speaker 1: he said. Yo, the way MAGA snatched that fake tan,
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  Speaker 1: they slapped the fake tan off his face, snatched that
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  Speaker 1: little wig. They freaked out on him on Truth Social,
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  Speaker 1: his own platform.
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  Speaker 2: Did he cry about it?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, one sec.
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  Speaker 2: You all right? What do you got? You got something?
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  Speaker 1: No, I just ate that cookie. It's not contagious.
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  Speaker 2: It's carbs. Michael had a cookie. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: I had a cookie before I came in here, and
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  Speaker 1: I said– Magnanimously. I said, Melissa, would you like to
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  Speaker 1: share this cookie with me?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, yes, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Then Melissa looked at me. We're chatting. Wait, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: We're chatting. And Melissa just says.
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  Speaker 2: I took a bite of the cookie.
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  Speaker 1: We're chatting. She took a bite. She says, this cookie
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  Speaker 1: was near a banana. It was. Those of you avid
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: listeners know Melissa hates bananas.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like bananas.
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  Speaker 1: You can't eat a banana in the room with her.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot. I would prefer that you did not.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be fisticuffs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll be very unhappy with you.
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  Speaker 1: You know the first 10 minutes of Saving Private Ryan?
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  Speaker 1: That's what it's going to be like.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot stand you.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it's going to be like if you eat
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  Speaker 1: a banana with her.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, and so I'll never forget. She's up with
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  Speaker 2: this cookie. Yeah, Michael and I have a mutual friend.
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  Speaker 1: Who is it? We'll bleep it out. Jones. Who? Jonesy. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: And so actually leave it in.
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  Speaker 1: She'll get a kick out of it. It's like who?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like hungry. And I was just like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you have like a snack? And she was like, sure.
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  Speaker 1: A lovely, generous gesture.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I asked for a snack. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I asked for a snack and she provided me with
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  Speaker 2: some popcorn. So I take some popcorn. I put it
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  Speaker 2: in my mouth. And I was like, is there a
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  Speaker 2: banana in your bag? And she was like, yes. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you can take that back because I can
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  Speaker 2: taste it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: The eau de banana went into the bag of popcorn.
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  Speaker 1: It's been recalled by Melissa only, she said.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. You know what else I don't like?
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I don't like hazelnuts. And I, that's why, remember I
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: don't like Nutella? You know that.
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  Speaker 1: I do know that. It is like your one character flaw.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've got many character flaws. According to the reviews,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: I've got lots of character flaws.
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  Speaker 1: According to the reviews, we have to finish a fucking story.
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  Speaker 1: Because the banana cookie, Melissa rejected. She said it was
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  Speaker 1: near a banana. I don't have a banana on my person.
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  Speaker 2: There was a banana near it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I remembered, in the case of pastries, there
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: was banana bread offered. And she knew. Like a truffle pig.
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  Speaker 1: You can sniff it out.
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  Speaker 2: Are you calling me a pig?
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Like those Jack Russell Terriers. Or a dog? That find the... Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what... Yeah. Yeah, you just stuck at home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I am. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you don't like something, you can really
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  Speaker 2: suss it out.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. I got that cookie and then I was
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: biking to the studio. But I had a very important
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: legal call.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Very important lawyer thing's happening. And it's going to start raining.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: So I started... I was like, let me just get
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: to the studio before it starts shitting down rain. Right.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: So it's not wet, brief recess. After dark, I'm drenched and...
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: That's another show.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: A sultry like cologne advertisement. And of course the legal
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: call happens like right when I'm at a stoplight. So
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool. Let me pull over to like
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: a side street in Chelsea. So that way it's like
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit more quiet. People think I'm buttoned up.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: It's like petticoats. Like people think it's a little bit
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: more formal. They don't hear the ambulance go by. So
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I was biking up 6th Avenue. So I pull over
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: a quiet, beautiful side street in Chelsea. I get on
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the phone call. We're talking. It's like a group. This
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: woman comes out of the building and starts screaming into
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the phone, how dare you sleep with my brother? No.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: No.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Like right behind me.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Speaking into her phone.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Her phone. She starts screaming. Screaming. It was like the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: bone collector. Why do you care who's sleeping with your brother?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: That's weird. I think it was her partner.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Oh. Screaming.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Crying like big elephant tears. Alligator tears. Not elephant tears.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Alligator tears. Crocodile tears.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Crocodile tears.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: We went through the full mudang. Every animal cracker we
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: went through. Crying, screaming. I'm like, excuse me one moment.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like trying to book it down the street with
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: my bike to get away from this woman who's clearly
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: going through.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Sure, she's having a crisis.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: If your partner slept with your brother... Type it in
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the comments. Right. And we want to hear about it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: If you are her, if she is you, if you're
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: every woman.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It's all on you.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Let us know.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Let us know.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: We want to hear.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Because I wanted to, that was the call I actually
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to be on, not my call. And it was,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it was bad. She's crying. It was, the voice was
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: so cacophonous. It was very like. Sing-songy Fraulein Maria, but
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: also crying.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: But could you hear the pain in the voice?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: We were kind of close to Broadway. I feel like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: she could have been an understudy for someone.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Speaking of understudies, I see what you did there, by
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: What? Me? We've got someone in the studio?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Today we have.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite O'Mary performer. swing, understudy. She goes on for
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Mary all the time. Hannah Solos in the studio.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's going to be fun to talk to her.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: That girl must live in Times Square. She must live
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: in Midtown. That poor thing.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Seven days, eight days a week. She's here. Because we
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: record on a Monday. I said, can you please come
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: to Midtown on a Monday? I know it's your day off,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: but she did it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: She did.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: So we're so excited to have her.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: That's going to be a fun chat. Oh, yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: We're going to chat with her. Anything else you want
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to talk about in algorithm? What was on your algorithm
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: before we get into- What was in my algorithm? Hannah. Oh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: this guy was following me home the other night. Why? Well, okay.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So I was away in like a small little beach
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: town on vacation and I was- Where were you? This
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: was out on the North Fork. Okay. And so I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was walking home from the bars, which closed like kind
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: of early, but it was late enough where the only
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: person who was awake was Alyssa. Sure. And I was walking,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I went alone. I don't know, something about being like
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a small town spooky setting. I get a little– I'd
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: rather walk home in the middle of Brooklyn, in the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: middle of Manhattan at 2, 3 in the morning alone
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: than on a street where there's nobody.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when there's nobody, that's when there's like a weird somebody.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: If Jack the Ripper shows up.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: In the East Village, you scream once. 50 people are like, huh?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: What's going on? But in a small town like that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: No one can hear your screams. So I started walking
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: home and there was a weird guy. And I was like, oh,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the killer.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Weird in what way?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: The Wendy Williams, the killer. He was just shifty. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: he was kind of like walking in the general direction
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I was going in to get back to my house.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: But like far enough away where I knew he was there,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: but not close enough where I was like, this person's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: going to jump me. So I was like, Okay, do what?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what you're supposed to do.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I called Alyssa. I called her friend because I was like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: this is the only person who's awake.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't call me.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So I called Alyssa and I was like, this is
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: where I am. This is what's going on. This is
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: where I am. And like, this is where I'm heading home.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Will you stay on the phone with me? Alyssa, she's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: going to kill me. She goes... I got you. It's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: going to be totally fine.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It was two or three in the morning. She's lit.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: she turned in the party herself. So I was like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: oh no. So I'm like, okay, between the two of us,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we've got one brain cell trying to get me home.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I need people to understand how often I worry about
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: either Michael or Alyssa or Michael and Alyssa together. Like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: there's always, there's always a moment. Like sometimes I'll be
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: texting with you guys or I'll get off the phone
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: with Michael and I'll like, Start talking to myself. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: now I'm just like, what's the matter? And I'm just like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: fucking Michael and Alyssa.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: The best part was she was so committed to taking
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: care of me in this moment. She was like, we're
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: on this. Like, it was us. It was Sergeant Summers.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: It was us. It was G.I. Jane. She shaved her head.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: She was like, I'm fully committed. Like, we are together.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm here for you. You're here for me. Okay. And
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: she was like, okay, where are you? And, like, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: can hear her getting out the notes app. Like, she's, like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: getting ready for the full investigation. She's ready and available. Okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying. She's such a good friend.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: She really is, like, the best.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And so, eventually, like, I'm kind of getting home. She's like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: are you home yet? What street are you on now?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right. So, I was near a hospital.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And the guy was still following me. Like, he kind
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of followed me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Was he following you or was he walking behind you?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So, like, that's where, like, I become the unreliable narrator. Okay.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Because there were– I was drinking. So, I'm not totally
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: sure if I was being followed. It's possible– I was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: just sharing the sidewalk with someone. And there was somebody
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: just walking? It's possible it's just a pedestrian. Just a walker.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Someone who wanted to save on gas money. And I'm like, okay,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: so he is the killer. And he is wearing a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: mask made of human flesh. And Alyssa's like, okay, I've
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: got you covered, babe.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And he's walking with a dagger in his hand.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Let's get the light out.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, the lights of the hospital are
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: guiding me. She's like, I can hear her computer keys.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: She's looking up where the hospital is. To triangulate the coordinates.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: What's really funny is that you guys track each other, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Like you track each other on whatever.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Find my friends.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Find my friends. I track them. No one tracks me,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: but I track them so that if. You really want
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to know what's going on. All you have to do is, like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: look at your phone.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Alyssa, there's a tree to the left of
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the hospital. That's where I am. She's like, okay, I've
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: got it on Google Maps. It's up to me. Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: she really could have been looking at it just to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: find mine and see exactly where I was.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes I look– if you're late for something and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for you, I can tell, like– You track me?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You gave– I can't remember why, but we all decided
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to track each other.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It was years ago.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And then– I don't like being tracked,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: so I stopped it. But you guys are still.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You keep on keeping on. Yeah. Yeah. Keep an eye
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: on me.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'm usually home.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Okay. I will say, this man, once I got to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the hospital, he did... He went in a different direction.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: He was scared of that copay. He said... Aren't we all?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So he scrammed. He hit the bricks. And so I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: took the heel-toe express. I kept stepping. And I got...
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I live... The house is... My house is near the hospital.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So I sort of... Went home from there. And once
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I got home, Melissa was like, okay, you're home. You're good.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Lock the door. Yeah. She knows. Nothing gets past Melissa
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and Michael at 3 in the morning. Except a bad
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Uber rating.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, did you ever get your Uber rating fixed?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think you can fix an Uber rating.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Can you? Comment below if you can fix an Uber rating.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's on Lyft. I don't use Uber.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Lyft, whatever.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Lyft, yeah. Okay, we'll be right back with Hannah Solo.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Oh Mary. And I think
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: all the foibles of being a Broadway star.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: In the understudy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Did I use the word foibles right? We'll find out
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: right after this break. Because my friend went and saw,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: do you remember that show? I know Melissa is interested
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in the Hasidic Jewish community, but that movie Disobedience with Rick.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I'm constantly bringing this up.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You're constantly bringing up disobedience?
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Because they spit in each other's mouths.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yes!
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God!
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yes!
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: My friend was like, I'm going to see it with
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: my mother and grandmother. This was when it was in theaters.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And she was like, is it something I should see
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with my mother and grandmother? And I was like, so
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they are having full lesbian intercourse and spitting in each
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: other's mouths. And she just wrote, excuse me.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: That was not in the trailer. I was like, yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't. They pulled that from the trailer.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And now I'm thinking about it. So the movie had
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a lasting impression on us all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break so we can all
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: think about it. No, no, no.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Because, right?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's one of those things you remember it. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: then my parents saw it and my dad was like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and my dad, you know, my mom, my mother would
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: take my father to do things and he was sort
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, like a dad. Like, all right,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm going to go do this thing. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I had already seen it. And I was like, did
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you like it? And my dad was like, I don't understand.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And then my mom was like, my parents are from Haiti.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So is that nice, miss? Is that nice?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't, for some people.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I was like for some people, but I remember when
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: we were talking to my mom about water sports, that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was a whole other.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Thumbs up or thumbs down.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So during the trial, it came out that he was
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: into water sports. And for my.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Mom, That was the conviction.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That was the crime.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Convictable offense was just urine.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And I was like, some people like that. And she
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was like, no, Melissa.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's not right.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That is not only a crime in her mother's mind,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: but also immediate jail. Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Immediate.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Immediate.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Send away.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Nothing else. Yeah. So the whole trial, when it was
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: going on, she was like, well- The water sports is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: really what we're on trial here for.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Hey, I love your mom. Bring her in here.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: This is what I worry about, though, when it comes
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: when we've got a kink movie like Pillion or we've
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: got something like Disobedience. People will see it and they'll
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: think that's what it is, being gay. They're like, oh,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the Pillion, the table. Yeah, that's what it is. Anyway,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: speaking of being gay and spitting on people, we're so
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: excited to have Hannah Solo here in the studio. Hannah's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: written some hilarious articles. That's not your bio, sorry.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, tell me more because I have, I guess.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: CJ wrote this rundown.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: What did I write articles for?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's his note to me of like, Michael, be sure
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to read these articles before the recording.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I'm a writer for the New York Times.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Hannah Solo is a New York City-based actor, singer, and writer.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: You may have seen her at UCB Jazz at Lincoln
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Center or performing as Gertie Cummings in Oklahoma. She's currently
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: understudied at Mary Todd Lincoln and Mary Chaperone slash Bill
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and O'Mary on Broadway now through January when her contract renews.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Follow her on Instagram at Baby Magoo and welcome everyone.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Please welcome Hannah. How did I do, CJ?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: That was so good.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: That was my first intro. What? Ever? I've been doing
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: this for a year.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Are you sure?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Michael lies constantly.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: You can't believe most of what he says.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: This is helpful. This is a good warning for the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: rest of the time together.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Just look at me and I'll be like... Okay, thank you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I feel so comfortable, open, open.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I want to hear all about it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: You're like, wow, I really am a writer for the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: New York Times. I didn't even realize I wrote those articles.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It's huge for me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: How has it been being in every iteration of O'Mary,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of understudying all these incredible actors, being extraordinary yourself? Tell
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: us about it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I was just reading a journal that I found in
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: my dressing room recently. from the beginning of our Broadway run.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And truly in the journal, it says like, well, it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: only going to be a short limited run. So I
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: really need to make the most of it and enjoy
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: myself because then I'll be going back to my day job.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And when we first started, I was still working my
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: day job, which was like- data entry for a functional
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: medicine company, literally doing this backstage, entering private medical data, sorry,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: on my own computer.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: If your medical data was stolen, please contact me. Leave
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: brief recess and exactly right out of it, please. Wow.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: So I thought it was going to be such a
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: short run. And here we are two years later.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So super short. Super short.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: We've almost done a thousand performances.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. And I see– so I follow some of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Broadway TikTok divas and they talk about the ticket sales
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of shows and what does well and what doesn't. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: O'Mary is always every week nailing it. It's incredible.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: What do you think– so– Couple things. So first, for
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: people who don't know what the show is about, what
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is the show about?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: The show is about Mary Todd Lincoln, our former first
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: lady married to Abraham Lincoln, and sort of what if
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: she had dreams of being a cabaret star? Written.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And mary todd was originated by cola scola yes uh.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Our lord and savior yes.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly yeah father son exactly okay so not to center
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the conversation around me and my experience.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Please do but as egomania Ego mania.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I bought the tickets on my phone right
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: when it opened at the Lortel. So this is a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And it was, I saw you
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: were in it and I was like, boots the house down, T, click, click, tap, tap,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: take out. And I just, the tickets were like $ 30.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Like when before and even when entered previews. So this
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was like T. This was First Testament. Oh, Mary. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this was back in the day.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: This was way back. And I had seen a lot
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of Cole's shows. So I had seen him at the public.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I know it's going to be
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a little hilarious nightmare of a show. So bought the tickets.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: This is where I have to be like brutally honest
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: as a viewer and patron of the arts.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I'm actually scared.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It's the night of. And it's maybe you guys, I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: think you just finished previews.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I maybe don't have my finger on the pulse of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: what's happening culturally in New York. And I was really tired.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So I did turn to my husband and I said,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I maybe don't want to go tonight and maybe we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: should get this up, these tickets away. And he was like, no,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: let's just go. So I was like, all right, fine.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So we hop on those city bikes. This was before
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the new law. Mayor Mamdani, where they lowered the speed
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of the city bikes. So these city bikes go about 80,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: 90 miles per hour. You can really get some height.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: You can really get going.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: You can really zoom suit off of a curb and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: go flying. And so we get to the theater in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: maybe 60 seconds, right? So it was sort of like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: we talked about Bedknobs and Broomsticks on a different episode.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Hold on a minute. Do you remember that too? Bedknobs
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and broomsticks?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I do feel like this is a cultural
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: touchstone that I remember it being a thing, but I
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: have no recollection of it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I- Where are you from?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: California.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I also have no recollection of this.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. And it is allegedly- Angela Lansbury.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: In my, like apparently Gen X, which I am a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: part of Gen X, were really into it. I have
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: never seen this show, never heard about it ever in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Cartoon?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It's a flying bed with Angela Lansbury from the 90s.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Is it a cartoon? No.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: It's live action, right?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: There's a song from it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: CJ?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: 1971. Right. So it's not the 90s. It's the ghost
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of Mary.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: So 1971. I was born in 1972. And I have
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: no recollection of this at all. I never saw it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I had never heard of it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Gay children of the 80s and 90s get in the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: comments because anyway, we get to the theater and I'm like, Again,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: we're expecting like Little Joe's Pub.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Like, no, this had not been a thing yet. We
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: get there. Those tickets I bought were front row center.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So we are inches from the stage. The Lortel is tiny. Tiny.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: From row center, sitting next to, who's the Kate from
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek? Kate Lewis Hudson, not Hudson. Hudson.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Katie Holmes?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Katie Holmes. Sitting next to Katie Holmes. We're like flanked
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: by Katie Holmes and the Project Runway guy. Michael Kors.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, that guy.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So I'm like.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I was hoping it was Tim Dunn.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But whatever. Brad's like, and we get there. The curtain's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: coming up. And we're walking in the theater and the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: person on the radio is like, where's seat 1A and 1B?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: They're empty and front row center empty. at sold out O'Mary.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And I grabbed the guy and I go, that's us.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And he takes us right to the front.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It was bad. It was really, they were like calling
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: us over the loudspeaker along with the cast. It was bad.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: But you made it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: We made it. And it really was, those of you,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: millions of people have seen O'Mary at this point. I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: feel like no spoilers. Cole was... Within kissing distance in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that last scene, he's sitting right at the stage edge.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, of course.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Singing to the audience. And it was a little too
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: close for comfort, one might even say.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like a cabaret singer this close.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't like that either.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Are you not audience participation forward?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Ryan Safi show.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Too scary for you.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I get really uncomfortable. But I mean, but I'm not
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: like a dick about it. Do you know what I mean? No,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of course. Well, I mean, some people can be.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I will. I'm not going to ruin
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: anything for anybody. But I get very nervous and anxious.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And I also don't like people very much. Do you
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like in big groups, right? I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: am much better one-on-one or in a small group. So,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: if I'm in a theater where there's audience participation... That
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: gives me a lot of anxiety. It's not about them
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: or what they're doing. It's me. Yes. You know what
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: So I will because I don't want to ruin it,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: but I don't really want to.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I don't want to either, to be honest.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I just want to sit down. And also I feel
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: like there's a bit of pressure to perform. And I'm like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: but I'm not a performer in this moment. And I
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: also don't ever want to distract from the show itself.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I don't want to be the one
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that's trying to be funny. I'm not here to do that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I want you to do your thing.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Right. And people rarely book you because you're subtle. Exactly.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: No one's like booking the quiet, stoic performance of Hannah Sobel.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. Everyone's like, ow, ow, ow,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: too loud. Turn it down.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Gertie.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma is not really nobody. You've got an inimitable cackle
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in that show.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: There is some review from some Broadway World writer across
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: America that was like, Hannah Solo did a great job of–
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Making the audience want her to leave the stage.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. In the best way possible.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent. We print it out. We put it
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on the wall. I said, this is why I do it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Speaking of, like, audience participation, you've been in this show
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that happens in the audience that you've
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: witnessed where you're, like, bad behavior?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Lauren Boebert's in the front row, anything like that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I wish. Just jacking someone off in the front row.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Speaking of disobedience. Speaking of disobedience.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Two lesbians spitting in each other's mouth. No, but I
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: do wish, well, maybe, who knows? I feel like people
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: have a few drinks in them on a Saturday night.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And that's when we're not actually asking for audience participation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: But you get it. We're getting it. And then it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: sort of this weird, like, It's sort of sweet, but misguided,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: where people are like, come on, Mary, you go, girl!
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: They're in support.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: But it's like, thank you, keep that inside.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I met you at the opening of Rocky Horror,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: which famously has a lot of... that sometimes they were
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: really trying to not have happen in that show.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: And they went through so many previews, like testing it out,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out what the balance was.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just, I wonder about that though. Cause
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I remember when Michael went to go see it, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: was just like, well, what about the audience part? Because
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that's what the Rocky Horror Picture Show, when you go
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to the movies, that's a part of the fun, right?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So is it realistic to expect that Even though it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a Broadway show, that people who are nostalgic for the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: movie won't scream out to Janet or whatever. Do you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? But Michael said people were sort
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of civilized about it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Except for Susan Sarandon. You saw her at that opening. Yes,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: She's sitting in front of me.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: They had her on wires. They pulled, they pulled, they yanked,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and she went out of her seat. She did the pink.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: She did the pink. She did the pink.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And the Fergie. She said, get down.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: You know that? You know what I'm talking about?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: The one-handed.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Carl.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Speaking of vocal stims, you've got a lot of vocal
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: stims in your repertoire.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: This is our digital camera right here. This is where
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I hit them with the diva if you want to
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: hit them with your boob.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Hit them with the diva. Well, yes, somehow I accidentally
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: created a vocal stim.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: For the massive.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Truly accidentally.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: No, mine have all been accidental.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. If you plan it, it's not
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: going to happen. Right. No, it needs to be, yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: It has to be random.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: It needs to be organic.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Show Me Your Bad Dog, I was on the toilet
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: when I filmed that. No one knows that. That video was,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I was on the toilet. And I thought I saved
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it to drafts, but I accidentally posted it. And then
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it became the Show Me Your Bad Dog. I don't
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: want to see any of these good boys. It was
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a draft that I accidentally posted.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: You were on the toilet.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Can you see the toilet?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: No, it's just my face like this.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Well, because Michael... All his videos are like really close
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: up to his face. My aunt asked why he does that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Why are you doing that? She's like, you're a friend.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Why? Why are you doing that? Why is he doing that?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so you can see Boop. Well, not anymore
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: at Closed, right?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: It's on tour. Look at me, advertising for Boop.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: The rock show.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I'm their press person.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I'm dead. Anyway, those of you who don't know, you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: can check out Hannah's Boop vocal stem, where I don't know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: do you want to describe it?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I was walking through Times Square and I heard a
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: man say, oh, well, we could see boo, And then
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I took a video of myself in my dressing room
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: for my friends, and somehow the internet took hold of it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And then- Did what they did.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I'm on 8th Avenue, and people are screaming, we.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Can see boop!
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what? How does that feel? Does it
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: feel like surreal? Does it make you happy? Does it
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: feel weird? Or like, what does that feel like?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a combination of all of those things.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I've been making videos for so long and no one
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: cared at all. And I would make music videos that
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I would spend weeks on. And no one cares about that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And then I did this video and people are screaming
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: at me on the street. But it's actually so fun
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and silly. And I always say that I'm like famous
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: between like 43rd and 48th on 8th Avenue only. Just
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: gay people on bikes being like, yes, diva!
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, honey!
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Which I couldn't ask for anything more.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: There's nothing more satisfying than being a geotagged celebrity just
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: tied to a specific, but you're right. The second you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: leave Times Square, no one is going to know that
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you're the poop girl. No one.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: They're like, poop?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: What?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Are you okay?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Something's wrong. Are you a junior 5150 hole? Do we
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: need a can cup to a gurney? Okay. So you've
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: been understudying every single Mary.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: What's that like? Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: What is that like?
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: It's wild. It's so insane to be like, Maya Rudolph
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: and Titus Burgess are in my phone. That's crazy.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because you stole their number. They do not
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: give that to you.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: This is a reveal.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: They do not give that willingly.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: It's just so astounding to be able to watch these
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: people and learn from them. And also, everyone has been
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: so kind and I haven't felt less than, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: these people are embracing me and asking me questions, which
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: is like so bonkers that I can talk to Betty
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Gilpin and be like, oh, yeah, that one scene. Okay, yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I do it like this. How are you going to
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: do it? Like, I never expected this in a million years.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: But you, I mean, you've been on the show since
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the beginning. If not you, then who?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I am probably the person who has... heard the show
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: the most.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Times so I mean it it seems so even if
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: somebody who's coming in and stepping into one of the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Mary's even if that person is like famous and they've
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: done lots of things they know that you know the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: show right and you and again like if not you
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: then who right because you you know the whole thing
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: so I mean I think it's a testament to your
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: work it's it's um You know, and they know that
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: you've done this. It's like, oh, let's ask Hannah. You
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: know who'll know? Hannah will know.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: And it really is one of those things that until
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: you've done it, you can only practice in a rehearsal
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: room so much without an audience. And then you get
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: on stage and you're like, oh, wait, I have the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: dress and the audience is doing this and what's happening?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: It's like truly a train ride. You just have to
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: get on the train.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Is there a moment in the show you said you've
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: heard it the most because you're listening every year? You're
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: there at the theater every night hearing it, right? Is
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: there a moment in the show where you're like surprised
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: something gets a laugh or the audiences are just so
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: varied now that it's on Broadway compared to when it
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was at the Lortel?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: The audiences are really different now because our first night
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: at the Lortel, Sam Pinkleton, the director, was like, there
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: are too many gay people here. It was just like
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: every gay person in the world was coming to see O'Berry.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: And now I go to the stage door and people
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: are like– I'm here for my grandma's 80th birthday. This
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: is our anniversary present. I'm like looking at a nine
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: year old who's like, I loved the show. And I'm like, did.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: You literally say the F slur?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And I look at the parents and I'm like, They
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: saw it and they're like, yeah. But my parents did
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: that too. I saw Rent when I was like 11
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: or something. Love that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Love that for you. Of course. Clearly a formative experience.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: 100%. I bought the libretto and was doing a one-woman production.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Rent at my house every night for my family.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I saw a thing. My friend,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they did Rent at her high school, but they took
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: insulin instead of AZT.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I always thought that was a myth.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: No, it was real. That's real? Instead of their HIV medication,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they were taking insulin. I'd like the local middle school.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: The audience is gasping.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's rough when we gag the camera crew.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Everyone's like silent. Someone did once on this island, but
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: it was the island of Manhattan.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: No. Oh, no.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: How does it even work?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: And that is kind of my question as well. It doesn't.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: That's the answer. It simply doesn't work.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We saw that show. That doesn't work.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I just did Hairspray over the summer at the Muni
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: in St. Louis, and I was doing some research online.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: And in the, what do you call it?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: You're a lawyer. The rights or whatever. It's like, no,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: this is a play about race. You cannot do this
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: with all white people. You cannot get the rights to this.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: We're not asking for your interpretation here. This is what
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: it is. And I feel like we need that for
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Once on this Island, too. Actually, we need that for
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Do you adapt your O'Mary performance to the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Mary on stage? When you're understudying Betty Gilpin versus Maya
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: versus Titus, do you change your performance to their interpretation
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of the role?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I don't change my performance.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Because you're that girl. Because you're her.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: And everyone has been so kind. Cole and Sam have
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: been like, no, you do you. You have your thing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: And now I've done it enough times. I've done it
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: like over 50 times now. So I've kind of solidified
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: my performance. But I do steal stuff from other Marys.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's funny. I want to try doing that. Like, oh,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: that's like this little Maya thing or Jinx thing. Like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: let me try it. And it doesn't always work when
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I do it because it's like it's their thing. But
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: it's fun to kind of like play around and get
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: ideas from other people. in seeing the show a billion,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: million times, it still feels fresh. It still feels new.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And I can watch it and go, oh my gosh, wait. Oh,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: that line. Oh, I never thought of it that way.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Let me try it like that too.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm just curious about when somebody is an understudy,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and you said you've done it about 50 times?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I think I've done Mary probably... At this point, maybe more,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: but I had a two-week run a little while ago
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: where I did the bulk of my performances. And then
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: from there did like, you know, for various Marys when
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: they had scheduled events or sickness or whatever.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Right. So I was going to ask you, what are
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the reasons why people don't come?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes it's planned ahead. And so I know
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: in advance that I'm going on. And then sometimes it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: like 30 minutes before the show starts and someone's like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I don't feel well. I have to leave the building
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: right now. So it really is varied, but as understudies.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: It was me. I was the audience member. Sorry. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: just had to go. I had to leave.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: They were like, Hannah, you're on.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You're on. Go take a seat.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: You just don't know. We have to be there every night.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Understudies are there every night. We're not in full costume
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: or makeup or anything, but we are waiting upstairs. For
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the call. For the call, just in case. There's only
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: been one time where someone had to go on mid-show
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: because someone got sick. And I mean- It's like a
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: well-oiled machine. It's boom, boom, boom. Put the costume on.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: We make an announcement. You're out there. Like it's seamless.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Our crew is like the best in the world. They're amazing.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Name your favorite union role. You love your crew? Name
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: your favorite union role.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hannah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Feather bedding.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I knew that there would be a quiz and I
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: would be panicked.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: A pop quiz about union contracts. Okay, okay. This is good.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: This is good. Wait, let me think. Proud member of Actors' Equity.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: She wants that health insurance. She's like, please. We'll be
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: right back after this break.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I'm panicked. I'm panicked. I don't know anything about my contract.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Isn't that scary?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you're wearing your heated rivalry shirt today. Show the dolls,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: show the girls.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Diva.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: You can see boop, you can see heated rivalry.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Speaking of spitting in each other's mouths.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Season two is filming right now.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: So we can manifest.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Is it about them again?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Or is it about the next, because it's a series
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: of books, right?
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've read all the books.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Did you read the books?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: No, so I listen to audio books a lot and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I got it. The thing about audio books is if
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the actor who's doing the book bothers you in any way,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: then it ruins the book. And I did not like
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the way that the reader was reading it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Famously, you are very right in that a lot of
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: people hate the person who read the books. And I
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: think they're trying to redo them because it's so bad
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: and no one wants to listen to it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't. I thought it was just me being- No. Oh, really?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I did not know that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Who was the reader?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Sorry to him. We love you, whoever you are.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It was Stanley Tucci. It's tough.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: He's kind of like, he like does a weird New
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: York accent. Yes, yes, yes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: That's what, it was like the first, I mean, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I listened to it for like five minutes. And I
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: was like, I cannot, every now and then there'll be
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: something that I pick up. You know what? An R.I.P.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Andre Leon Talley. I picked up his book and I
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to listen to it. Andre Leontali was good at
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of things.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: But not narrating them.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: But not narrating his own story. Oh, that's tough. Yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: It was actually really, really bad. And I felt terrible
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: because he's an icon, right? And I wanted to– and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: his life story is very interesting. But it was better
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: for me to read it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Which side of the America's Next Top Model drama do
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you think Andre Leontali would fall on now? There's like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the comeuppance for Tyra.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And they're asking all the past judges to kind of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: weigh in on whether or not what Ken Mock and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Tyra were doing was ethical. Was he a judge? Yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: he was a judge. Okay.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I tapped out of that show real early.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: That's how I knew who he was.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: From back in like the early 2000s. Oh, my God.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Andre Leontali is iconic. I don't like reality TV.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Did you watch Heat of Rivalry in any particular place
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to tell the listeners at home?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: This feels like a trap.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Didn't you watch it on a plane?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I was like... How did you know? Did you really
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: watch it on the plane? Okay, first I watched part
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: of it backstage and we were watching it in the dark,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: me and Julian Mandryko.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: My fellow understudy. That's your favorite union role.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And Jinx came in and was like, what's going on
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in here and why are you both so red and sweaty? Oh, wait,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: what the fuck? And we were like.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Why were you red and sweaty?
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: We were screaming, we were excited. And then I did
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: watch it on the plane.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Love.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And you know what I said? Well, actually I was
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: high and I was like a little bit paranoid about it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Like being like, is someone going to come stop me?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: And then they're going to have to ground the plane
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: and I'm going.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: To be arrested for homosexuality.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: They're like, she's did it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: You're watching it on your laptop or take it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: I was watching it on my laptop and you know
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: what I did? When there was full ass, can I
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: say ass?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: When there was full ass, I would sort of minimize
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the screen so it became small window and then I'd
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: be like, okay, I think the ass is gone and
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: bring it back.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: This was me on like my home computer when I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: was 14. I think that's why people.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Lightweighted my memory.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: The Dell.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: No, I'm doing my homework. I swear.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sick. I was not doing one. I never did one. Oh,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: my God. I'm crying.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Heated rivalry, it brings it out of you. Like, my
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: stage manager has been making me read heated rivalry fan fiction,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: making me a kid. I'm staying up until 4 a.m.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: There's no stage manager. It's just you.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Making me the voice in my head, yeah. But it
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: really is, like, it is that teenage, like, 14-year-old, like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: me on the train being like, holy shit.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: But I'm also scared on the train that someone's going
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: to look over my shoulder and take a photo of me.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Reading about them. The boop girl. The boop girl is
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: reading porn on the subway.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Eating ass on the Q train. I do like to
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: read people over people's shoulders.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Me too. I do all the time.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I do all the time. My favorite moment ever, I
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: was living in Brooklyn and I was on my way
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: home and I lived in Flatbush. And Flatbush was super
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: duper Haitian, right? So I was standing there. by the
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: door and I was looking over the shoulder of a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Haitian woman who was having an argument with her boyfriend.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. Not only was I
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: reading what she said.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Because it was, yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: But when I was reading, I was reading it, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I also took pictures.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: No.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And I sent it to my cousin group chat. And
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of cousins. And they were like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: what happened next? And I was like, and it was like,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: he was saying things to her like- I said that
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I was sorry. How could I make it up to you?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Like it was, and it was like a very like
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: deep conversation. It was great. Anyway, I'm a nosy body.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I love that because I was like, no one would
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: take a photo of me reading smut. They would. They
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: would in a smut website. If you have a photo
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: of me, please send it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I actually, you know, I'm admitting this about myself. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: actually do it all the time. Another time I was,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: there was somebody, it was a nun. She was reading
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a book.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Melissa.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Wait, listen.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: She was reading a book.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: About Judaism.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. It was a book.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: But her bookmark was.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Was like this giant picture of a very big, beaten
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: and battered Jesus. It was so bad that I was like,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: no one's going to believe me. So I just took
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: a picture of it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: It was like the passion of Christ, like imagery. Worse.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: It was so bad.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Worse than a Mel Gibson movie.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. Wow. Yes, yes, yes.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to look for it.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I know CJ won't let us put it up, but
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: it was bad.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I'm eating you up today. I'm eating him. I'm eating
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: his ass up. He loves it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I was on the train and there was a woman...
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Who came on sort of talking to herself. And then
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: she was yelling at something on her phone. And I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: was like, I have to know. Having a full like
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: upset argument. I look. She's literally on Facebook yelling at
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: a black and white photo of Michael Jackson.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Having a full conversation.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. Been there. Been there. No.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: It was you.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: No. We've talked about the Michael Jackson reenactment. TV show
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: on TLC. No.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. All kinds of wrong.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: All kinds of wrong.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: You need to pay attention. So back in the day
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: when Michael Jackson was on trial for, I think, allegations
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: of sexual abuse for, right? I think that's what it was. Yes,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: that's what it was. But they weren't allowed to have
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: cameras in the courtroom. So E, entertainment, news, television, decided
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: that they were going to do a daily reenactment of
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: what happened in the trial. And they... And they had
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: this actor who was all made up. But one of
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the things I didn't realize that Michael Jackson was doing
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: during the trial was like, anytime somebody would say something
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: that he didn't agree with, he would like roll his eyes.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: But like, and I didn't know whether or not the guy-
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Was that a choice? Was like, was he being extra
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: campy with it? Or did Michael Jackson actually do it?
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Either way.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Because Michael Jackson was funny as hell. Like that clip
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of him being like, I hate touring. My arm. I
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: can't raise my arm higher than this. I can't use
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: my shoulder.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Imagine booking that though. You're like, I didn't. I got
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson reenactment trial job. No lines.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: But we've looked for him and the guy is like,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: he had CJ looked for him for us. Cause I
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: was talking about it. CJ found him and said that,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: He hasn't posted anything since like 2003, like whatever it was,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: but like a really long time. And he has vanished.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: So maybe he's now he's selling insurance.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I hope so. I hope that that didn't ruin his life.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: The Michael Jackson reenactment.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it did.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: He's doing the medical records that you had to stop doing.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: You had to stop doing them.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I was probably talking to him on Slack.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Would you like to answer some questions from our
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: audience with us? Absolutely. Welcome back to Brief Recess. We're
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: going to talk about... No, you're doing Tales from the DM.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pick that up.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing Tales from the.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: DM, right?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: This is the second time you've done an intro, so.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Hey, friends.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: We're going to do Tales from the DM now. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: what do I always say? While Michael is a lawyer,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: he's not your lawyer, so get your own.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Okay. Let's see what y'all wrote in this week.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: What sick and twisted... Wicked and wild questions. Absolutely death
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: traps these listeners are setting for us. They're trying to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: get us canceled with these questions. Oh, no. So get ready. CJ,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: anyone we need to make sure we get to.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: The mean comment.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a mean comment.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: There's a mean comment.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: About you two?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Let's have Hannah do a dramatic reading. Okay. Show everyone
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: your prowess. Show everyone.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: This is a cold read?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: This is a cold read.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I did not see this before.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And I have not. I haven't either. So I'm actually ready.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I actually love it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: You love it?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I love it. Are we ready?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: This is from Content Consumer 01123.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Clearly a verified account.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Blue checkmark. I'm already mad.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: At least Homie admits he's in an echo chamber. Holy presumption, cowboy.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Look at them tiptoeing and trying to be so politely biased.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I would pass out with the amount of effort they
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: mustered to be so disingenuous.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I would pass out? What was disingenuous?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: It was when we were talking to Congressman Garcia.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: About what?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: We were talking.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: About the Epstein files.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So this is a pro Epstein person. He was my
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: personal financier. I loved all the business I did with him. Jeff,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: my guy, Jeff, you seem like a great guy. You
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: got me good returns. Jeff, he was always going to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: his island. He loved the Caribbean. What a guy. Who
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the fuck is this coming for me in my gig?
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Content consumer 011.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to use that. And that's the name
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: he can operate under as an Epstein supporter. God, I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: swear to God, people spend so much time, money, energy.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: They really do. But yeah, people really do. It's really fascinating.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: People say a lot of things to us that aren't
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: very nice. It's fine. Here's the thing. So a couple
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago, there was somebody who said that Mike
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and I were stupid because we didn't know the difference
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: between reform. reflection pool versus reflecting pool, come to find
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: out that it's the same thing.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: So, right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: So, even though that guy was wrong, he made a point.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: He was trying to make a point of some kind.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this guy is talking about.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I have no clue. At that point, it was just
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: words and tone.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's just, what does that mean? Tiptoeing and trying
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: to be so politely biased.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: What are you?
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: There's no context.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So Liliana, what CJ? Liliana is a good one too.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I also like lulu's crepes and croissants.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Cj's usually right here just like yelling at me to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: do my job it's.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: So funny um.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: CJ, this is a fucking croissant.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Lulu's Crepes and Croissants.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I can just read it if you want.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It's... Liliana Langston? No.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Lulu's Crepes and Croissants. Lulu's Crepes and Croissants wants to
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: know if they can give the middle finger to their
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: lawyer on the stand.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you for writing in. I just wanted to hear
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: CJ say... Lulu's Crepes and Croissants one more time because
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that was actually.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: You can't hear that enough.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: That really made my day. Lulu's Crepes and Croissants. Sorry,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: who's it from? Can you give the middle finger to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: a lawyer from On the Witness stand?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Is it your lawyer or the other lawyer?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: So someone's writing in asking if they can do that.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: But is it to their lawyer? Or what do you
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: call the other person? Yikes, I don't know.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Opposing counsel.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Ooh, I love that.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Can I give the middle finger to the opposing counsel?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Hannah grew up, she always, as a little girl, she
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: always wanted to be opposing counsel. Oh my God!
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, Melissa! It's worse than I could ever imagine.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: The Jesus is really bad. I told you. Show CJ,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, actual question, did they do all that to Jesus? Yes.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: He was flayed.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm not allowed to watch heated rivalry on
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the plane, but you can put that on the subway.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Delta, please.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: To be fair, to be fair, this person was reading
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: their book. It's their bookmark. And I happened to see it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: This person's a nun.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: A bookmark?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Where are you buying that bookmark?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: It's bad, isn't it?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: The women in disobedience would never. Never.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: They would never.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: They would never. They were also Hasidic Jews. Those were Jewish.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: They also literally would never. They're like, it's a false prophet.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: That was actually shocking. I felt shocked. I know.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I was like, no.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to be able to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: show that on YouTube.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: No, we can't show that.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll just describe it for you. It looks
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: like a very bloody.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Somebody who's been flayed.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: There was a lot more blood than I anticipated.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: And that's why I took a picture of it because
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: there is no way to describe that to somebody so
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that they would believe me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Actually, the gasps that we gossiped were evidence enough that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: no one would have believed you.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: You described it to us and we couldn't have imagined that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: You could not have.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I told you. Wow.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Photojournalism. Really? No. I mean, you could really.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Anyway, are you going to answer crepes and croissants?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Middle finger. So this is where I have to toe
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a delicate line because I can't tell you to do
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: anything in court that is like breaking the rules or
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the law because then I'll get in trouble. I will say, though,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: witnesses are called or subpoenaed or they really don't want
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: to be there sometimes. And I've seen them do a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: lot of things that the lawyers and the judges would
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: prefer you don't do. such as give the finger to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the other attorney. You can be held in contempt, but
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: it's usually for like repeatedly not answering a question or
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: repeatedly like not doing something. But we have hostile witnesses
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, are you following the Lindsay
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Clancy trial at all? There are some witnesses on that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: trial right now that are, they really don't want to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: be there. Lindsay Clancy's doctors, they're like, they don't want
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: to be asked about the ways in which they failed
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that woman with her medication. So that's really upsetting.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: But you don't have to do a double. You could
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: do a subtle this. You could do I'm wiping my eye.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: That's kind of my advice.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: You could. And a lot of people do that in O'Mary.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's kind of acting 101 is middle finger placement.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: But Michael, let me ask you, though. Tossing up the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: middle finger in the middle of court is rude.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Right? But is it against the law? And what you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: said about finding somebody in contempt, right?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is actually interesting because there are a lot
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: of First Amendment cases around lewd gestures and swear words. Okay.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: So during the Vietnam War, there was a lot of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: fuck the war imagery of shirts and jackets and stuff.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: And there is Supreme Court cases around people being allowed
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: to wear fuck the war. Fuck war, I think, was the–
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm too young. But I don't know
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: what the actual term was. But it was everywhere kind
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: of like fuck ice now. People were wearing them to court,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: to jury duty. And a case made it all the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: way up to Miss Supreme Courtess, where they decided that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: it was actually– it was not considered hate speech or
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: speech that would invoke violence or to lewd to wear
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: that on public government property. Mm-hmm. Because it was like
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: an act of protest. So if we could find a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: way to frame– Yes. What's the lawyer doing or giving
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the middle finger to? Because if it is this sort
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: of like protest versus amendment thing– Mm-hmm. then you might
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: have some coverage under the Supreme Court precedent.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if somebody is doing that because they've
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: been subpoenaed and they are resentful of being here. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: they're going to answer your questions, but they want you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: to know that they're pissed off about it. So yes,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to answer your question, but you know what
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I think about this process?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Lulu's Crepes and Croissants.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Well, she has a business she has to get back to.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: What did they say about those croissants, Lulu? Did someone say,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: and now you're on trial? Was it not flaky enough
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: and they said that and now you're getting sued? What
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: happened at the bakery?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: We need to know.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: What's going on in the bakery?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: This is a hallmark mystery waiting to happen.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Friends to enemies to lovers. Lulu's crepes and croissants.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: The lawyer and Lulu actually threw the middle finger.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: It's like you've got mail.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Meg Ryan.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I love that movie.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Such a good movie.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's ridiculous, but I love it. All those
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Nora Ephron movies are so, right? Everything's so pretty.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: I just watched It's Complicated, the one with Alec Baldwin
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: and Meryl Streep.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: It's gorgeous. Her house is stunning.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Same thing. Something's got to give. The house is the house.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: It's always the house. Come on.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Liliana Langston. Let's read this one.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: What did they say?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Mr. Foot, this is my submission to Tales for the DMs.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I started school to become paralegal. Do you or Melissa
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: have any advice or words of wisdom? Melissa used to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: be a paralegal and then worked on the Enrod case
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: and then her hair fell out. Yeah. But it's back.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: It's back.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: It looks gorgeous.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: And she doesn't work there anymore. Yeah. What's working in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: law actually like? Ooh, spare me the horror stories because
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I already know.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I need encouragement. One of my professors takes her job
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: too seriously. I already know it's going to be a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: bitch-ass class. Anyways, your profile pic is serving. Thank you.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: But TBH is kind of giving Third Reich, okay, yikes.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Serving, but Third Reich, not a compliment, I'd say.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: And then they go on to say, but don't change it.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Keep them guessing. Love you.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, keep them guessing. I don't think that's something we
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: want to guess about.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Liliana, I will tell you what it was like to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: be a paralegal. And no horror stories. I know you've
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: heard all of them before. It's very, I will say
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: my experience was that it was very mundane and very tedious. Now,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: if you are somebody who likes research and the law
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: firm or the lawyer that you're working with is using
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: you in that way, then it could be interesting. But
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: in my experience, what I found was that the partners
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: or the senior associates would usually use the junior associates
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to do the research to help them and give them practice.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: And that I, as the paralegal, usually ended up maybe
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: looking over briefs and making corrections and things like that.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I did not find that work to be interesting or
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: exciting at all, but I also think it depends on
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: what your interest is, right? So maybe if I had
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: been entertainment law or sports law, that may have been
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: more interesting, but I was a litigation paralegal and an
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: immigration paralegal, and that was not fun or interesting at all.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: The other thing I'll say though, is that when I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: was a paralegal for a nonprofit organization, that was very
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: interesting because it was a lot of different kinds of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: cases that I ended up with. And because it was
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: a nonprofit, we didn't have a huge budget. So I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: was being given some interesting work to do. So I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: think I think it depends. So that's my sort of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: honest take on it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I was going to say the nonprofit work and then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: also detained immigration law cases, you end up doing a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: lot of social work things. So you're coordinating getting someone released,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: and then when they're released, you're there and helping bring
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: them to a homeless shelter. There are different areas that paralegals,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: depending on the area of practice, are going to end
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: up doing all sorts of different things. So figure out
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: what excites you about what would be exciting to you
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: in any job, not just a paralegal job. What's exciting
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: to you about a day-to-day work life? And then back
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: into that is how I would frame it.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: The other thing I'll say is that I feel like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: the bigger the firm.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: The less- The less hands-on.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: The less interesting the work will be because they have
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: so many bodies. To do the good stuff, right? Now,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: the flip side of that is that if you work
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: for a small firm or a nonprofit, you won't make
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: as much money. So what is important to you? I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: don't know if we've helped at all, but.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: That's... Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Okay.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: It sounded really good.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: We really got to get into this with Hannah, actually.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Which one? The woman who sent lemons to her ex.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: A woman sent a lemon.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: It's really good, actually.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: She sent one lemon to her ex every day for
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a really long time.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: I want to say a year.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I want to say at least a lemon a day.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: One lemon a day. And apparently, this is the part
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: that I still don't understand how she managed to do this.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: The lemon delivery seemed to follow him.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Wherever.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Right? So that if he was on a softball league-
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: There was a lemon delivered to him there.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: CJ's got to fact check us because I know there
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: was the clown sent to a softball game, right?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: She sent 1,847 single lemons.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. CJ kills us.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you, CJ.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Didn't she also send it to him?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: There was one that ended up at his job interview.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Like that, that for me, I was like, I don't understand. Like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: how did she know? Oh, another one was sent to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: his dad in the hospital. Like it was weird.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: But anyway, she got arrested for that.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Well, sure. Okay. But I want to know what did
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: he do?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Well, well, he had to have done something to get
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: the lemons.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: There's two sides to every story, right?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: But I, I am still stuck on what is illegal and,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: about getting sent one lemon. It's not like you got
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: sent the dog turd every day.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: It's so misogynistic. What? I think it's so misogynistic.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what this person says.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're saying that these women are getting arrested. Meanwhile,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: women are out here getting relentlessly stalked and genuinely fearing
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: for their lives.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Right, and he's not fearing for his life. Is that
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: what he claimed?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: No, he was annoyed. He was annoyed, and now he's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: afraid of lemons.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. CJ, didn't he have a fear?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was the weirdest. There were so
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: many things about that that I almost didn't believe. And
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I was hoping that there was something else because that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: can't be all there is.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? That can't be all
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: there is.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: If that is technically harassment and I'm like, sure, technically, sure.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: On paper, that's harassment. Is it? But everything else that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: is also harassment has to be investigated and prosecuted. If
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: we're prosecuting Lemon Lady.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Lemon Lady.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: What about the guy following people around? Right. What about
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: people stalking each other? And that's not getting enforced. But
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: then what? The Lemon Lady? A Thousand Lemons?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: And what is the harm? Other than you being irritated, right?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: You're annoyed. You're annoyed. You're annoyed.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: It's annoying. I'd be annoyed if somebody sent me a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: lemon every day, but is that illegal?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you just need to spin it. Hello? Make the lemonade,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: as they say.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Unless they're like RFK lemons and they have salmonella. Fair.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: In which case, that's a death threat.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I guess that's true.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Okay.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: You just won the case.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Don't give this lawyer the middle finger on
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the stand.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: That's actually one of the crazier things I've ever heard.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Have you ever done anything crazy to an ex? spit
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: on them or.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: Spit on them.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: No. I did have an ex once where I thought
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: my greatest revenge was going to be writing sad gay
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: music and becoming the next Phoebe Bridgers. But then sort
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: of like woke up from the fog months later, read
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: the music that I had written and was like, this
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: is horrible.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: She's unwell. Yeah, truly.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: This is someone who's going through psychosis.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Cry for help. Cry for help.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, we hope you get the help you need.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: At least it wasn't lemons, I guess. Although now I'm
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: kind of like, should I do that to someone? It's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: such a funny prank, I guess, but it's harassment is
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: what I learned today.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I still don't, and I'm not a lawyer,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I still don't understand why it's harassment. There was another one,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: the one who was sending a sarcastic clown.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: To clap at his baseball games. That's actually, would you
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: take that gig?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: To clap sarcastically.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: If someone hired you, would you?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: She ate with that. You know what?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: That's my audition tape.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Straight to camera. Give us, yeah. Okay.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Good job on your baseball.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could sing sarcastically.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Like, what's a good sarcastic?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Take me out to the ball game.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Where can everyone find you? What do you want them
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: to come see you do next? Where should they catch you?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Should they yell boop at you in the street?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Please yell boop. You can catch me at the Lyceum Theater.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: I'll be on as Mary September 13th, October 3rd and 4th.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: You can find me on the internet at Baby Magoo.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm kind of just around town.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's been here.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: I've been here.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: She's done been here. Catch her on the subway watching you.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get one of those phone protectors now.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you for watching Brief Recess. I'll see you in court.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Not me.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Wait, really? This has been an Exactly Right production recorded
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: at iHeart Studios, hosted by me, Michael Foote.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: And me, Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ Ferroni.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: This episode is edited by Mark Schroeder.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: is Patrick Hottner.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Breifogel with artwork
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue and Vanessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: and Danielle Kramer.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy
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  Speaker 1: Department or on TikTok at Michael Foote.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Malbranch.
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