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Podcasting 2.0 - Episode 277: "x402 Bitch!" · WGKM

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  Podcasting 2-1-0 for October 30th, 2026, episode 277. X-402, bitch!
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  It's a rainy day in the hill country, but we
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  are happy to be here in the boardroom. Yes, this
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  is the official board meeting of Podcasting 2.0, where everything
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  gets discussed. Everything is on the table. No holds barred.
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  It's a knock-down, drag-out brawl. And of course, we got
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  50,000 nitro-burning funny cars. Actually, we're the only board meeting
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  where the index started catching the copycats. I'm Adam Curry,
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  here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country, and
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  in Alabama, the man who builds clone detectors for all
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  the lawyers out there. Say hello to my friend on
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  the other end, the one, the only, the Podsage, Mr.
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  Dave. Jones! My brother. Yes, my brother. What's up, my
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  brother? You now are no agenda... You know, like, it's
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  over. I have no no agenda. Yeah. You truly have
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  no no agenda. That's right. No no agenda. That's right.
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  No no agenda. When you woke up this morning, what
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  was life like? Kind of the same. You know, the
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  business end of things still needs to be worked out.
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  It's been a little painful. Uh-huh. which kind of sucks.
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  It's just what it is. It's like a divorce. Yeah,
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  it's like a divorce. But otherwise, I'm pretty good. I'm
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  looking forward to the new season. Wow, you hear the
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  rain? It's crazy. It's Cats and Dogs? It's kind of
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  cats and dogs. We have a metal roof, so that's
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  the only bad part of the studio. Everything else is
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  perfectly isolated, but you can't stop the clattering of the
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  rain on the metal roof. When it's a light rain,
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  it's peaceful. When it's a heavy rain, you feel like
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  you're in a storm. You're about to blow away. Well,
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  the noise gate is just weird. It's like, what's going
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  on? I mean, I hear this stuff. I don't think
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  anyone else notices probably. Nobody. Zero. So, yeah. So I
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  feel good. There's a lot of work to be done.
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  A lot of things to do, and I'm glad that
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  we finished strong. I'm glad that it ended when it
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  ended. I would have hated to see it peter out,
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  you know. And it was time. It was time for
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  me, for sure. It was time for me. It was
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  time to move on. Is the show going to continue
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  in some way without you, or is it toast? No,
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  no, no. The show, everything. We're going to keep the
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  website up and the files will remain up, so that'll
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  continue to be an archive. everything else goes away, which
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  I think is the right way to do it. I
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  mean, you know, when Scott Adams died, then people picked
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  it up, like the school of Scott Adams or something.
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  It's just horrible. That's weird. I don't like that. I
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  mean, it could have gone different ways, you know, but
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  I initially thought that we could make it work. Darren
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  and Larry but not all shareholders agreed no shareholders Yeah,
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  in all hands? Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's like,
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  so there's just lingering stuff that has to be cleared
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  up, but that will eventually work itself out. What about
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  the stream? The stream changed to void0.stream, which I'm very
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  happy about. So it's no longer noagenda stream, noagendastream.com, noagenda.stream,
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  whatever it is. So that switched to voidzero.stream, voidzero community
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  radio, value for value. So people are supposed to support
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  him for that, which is good. And the IRC server
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  was always his. So that just remains the... So nothing
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  changes there, which is good. And I'm happy about that
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  because that would have really sucked if the IRC server
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  had to be shut down. That would have not been
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  fun. Now, does we get to do this? Does that
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  take over the stream as well? No. No. You don't
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  do that live? No. That's the one thing. I mean,
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  that was really the biggest issue for – For almost
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  two decades, it's like always start on time. Kind of
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  the opposite of how a podcast is supposed to work.
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  Yeah, I can record it and then you'll get it
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  eventually. Although I'm very staunch about, you know, if you
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  have a podcast, try and release it on YouTube. Well,
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  definitely release it on the same day as you always
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  do and try to release it around the same time
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  because people – schedule their lives around this stuff. Oh,
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  yeah, I got a new episode. If it's not there,
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  it's a real bummer. And then people are like, well,
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  maybe I'll find something else and they might find something
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  else and they may not come back. But when you
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  record it, that shouldn't make any difference. And And really,
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  you know, so we have a nice little board meeting
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  and, you know, it's a separate room, a separate channel.
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  I don't really think that would work very well with
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  Christians. You know, because either you moderate the thing heavily
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  Which is a huge pain in the butt. Or you
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  don't moderate it. And I like unmoderated. But I don't,
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  you know, a lot of people are like, eh, I
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  don't like the troll room because, you know, there's just
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  stuff that gets said. And people. It's trolls. It's trolls.
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  Exactly. It's trolls. The board meeting is a little different.
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  But there's sometimes trolly behavior. But that's okay. You know,
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  but not, not, no. So. I'm okay. I'm okay with
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  that. Although I think that there is better engagement, and
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  I do like working with a live studio audience. I
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  really do. It's fun. My whole posture is tuned towards
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  it. So even though the boardroom scrolls by on the
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  right-hand side out of the periphery, of my vision. I
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  see stuff all the time. Like, oh, okay, man, pay
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  attention. You know, I just see stuff. And I've always
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  liked that. I've always liked that kind of feedback. But
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  no, it's a different kind of show. And, you know,
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  we're also bringing back Curry and the Keeper. Oh, hey,
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  now, next thing you're going to tell me you're bringing
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  back a Booster Grand Ball. No, although I saw on
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  the helipad, thank you very much, Eric PP, I saw
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  we got an update, and of course, everything is now
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  actually working, now that I have Start 9 OS 4,
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  I think it is, I see a lot of... streaming
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  sats from Sir TJ the Wrathful from V4V Music.com for
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  the Booster Grand Ball which is very interesting something booted
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  up there it's kind of cool something just came back
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  to life something booted up man something happened I was
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  like okay that's cool I dig it I dig it
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  Okay, well, it's going to take a few weeks, I
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  feel like, for your body to... Maybe longer for your
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  body to not get like for it not to be
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  Wednesday or Saturday and your body be getting ready for
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  the next thing. Like you're going to have to like
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  tell it. Yeah. Train it not to anticipate Thursday and
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  Sunday. I think you're right. 19 years. Yeah. Yeah, I
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  think you're probably right. You know, the Wednesday evenings, the
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  Thursday – well, all day Thursday, all day Sunday except
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  for church. Yeah. Sunday will probably, you know, Thursday is
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  like, well, I can take a Godcaster meeting. How about
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  that? On a Thursday? On a Thursday? What's going on?
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  You know, and so that, yeah, I'm sure it'll take
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  a little bit. You know, I'm still, I haven't decided
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  what to do with my robots yet, how I want
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  to use them. I think I still... I mean, I
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  still want to know what's going on. I'm not stopping
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  that. You know, this has been a part of my
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  life. I'm still going to save articles and look at
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  stuff, you know, before we get to do this as
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  well, because there's still a fair amount of media deconstruction
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  in that show. And I just I like knowing what's
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  going on. I was thinking. You know, the robot will
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  sometimes create easily 60 or 70 clips for me for
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  a show. Maybe I'll just have it build that and
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  I'll just listen to it. You know, I'll just listen
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  to the clip. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know what's going
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  on. Yeah. It's like doing a podcast with no hosts.
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  And it's just a podcast for me. Yeah, maybe I
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  turn it into a feed. Yeah, just put it on
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  my phone. Yeah, there you go. Another vibe coding discovery.
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  Yes, lovely. Lovely, lovely. I like it. Which brings me
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  to a clip from Pod News Weekly Review. Oh, you're
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  going straight there. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to piss me
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  off and they're doing a good job. What did they
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  do? Well, here you go. A couple of weeks ago,
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  we had Adam on the show and Adam's been talking
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  about AI-agentic personalized apps and using them for discovery. He's
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  admonished us several times now. It's not about removing ads.
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  It's about discovery. Get it right. So let me get
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  it right. It is about discovery. And that's what Adam's
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  saying, that his agentic is going off and finding himself.
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  So again, I think a lot of people are building
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  stuff to go and find other ways of discovering discovery.
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  more content. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you can
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  certainly, you can certainly see that if Muse or, you
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  know, Claude knows so much about me because I've given
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  it access to, so much stuff because what could go
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  wrong with that? If it knows so much about me,
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  then actually asking, hey, is there a podcast you would
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  recommend? You know,
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  Normies might do that. I don't think normies will build
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  an app. I think that normies would certainly at least
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  ask, okay, knowing what you know about me, recommend a
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  podcast that I might like. And that's interesting because I've
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  got no idea where the data would end up coming
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  from. And I'm sure the answer would be Joe Rogan
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  anyway. Okay, a couple of things. So I was going
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  to let this go. I mean, one thing to say
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  normal people, the then-say normies. And and this kind of
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  James James has a little bit of troll in him.
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  Oh, yeah. No, it's totally it's Criddler. I know it's
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  Criddler stuff. You've been Criddled. Yeah, I've been Criddled. But
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  when I look at what you posted on the Mastodon
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  today. And I quote, the number of new podcast apps
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  either being launched or under development right now is crazy.
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  What does that tell you? It tells me that people
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  are vibe-coding their little fingers off. You mean normies? Could
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  it be normies doing that? The clickies are going around
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  all over the place. No, people are vibe-coding like... I
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  mean, it's... It's almost daily. I see so many things
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  saying – and look at all the requests to have
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  apps listed on the podcastapps.com page. Yep, yep. It's just
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  it's off the chain, man. This is this is what
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  I've been saying. This is the revolution. It's taking place.
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  The normies are starting to figure it out just like
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  the normies figured out HTML. That was actually harder. It
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  was harder to build a Web site. Yeah, it's a
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  red ball to build a website than a podcast app.
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  Yeah, it's come on. It's super easy to build an
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  app now. Just say, build me an app and says,
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  here you go. OK, now change this, change that. Boom.
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  It's not that hard. it's just it's just not it's
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  not i've done it i sent you two clips i
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  just sent you two clips okay well remind me to
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  come back to this uh okay but the play play
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  you gotta play play the uh play the first clip
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  which one is that small claims Yes. Okay. And one
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  of the things you see in the early days of
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  these personal AI assistants is people jumping for joy that
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  you're not going to believe this. I was able to
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  have instinct or muse or whatever, a file, a lawsuit
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  and small claims court for me. And just all I
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  had to do is tell it to go file a
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  suit and small claims court. And it was done. Yeah.
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  So, so, The first derivative consequence of this is obviously,
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  well, that's not going to be the way this works
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  for very long because the small claims courts will be
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  inundated with lawsuits and claims that were never, you know,
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  I want $48 back from Comcast. This is going to
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  go away shortly. Now I think it'll have to change.
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  It won't go away. Uh-uh. This is what I'm talking
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  about. Exactly. Darn it. exactly okay clip two so a
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  lot of these agentic things sound great as an individual
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  but then as soon as you extrapolate let's say you
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  know the restaurant example I'll give you my restaurant example
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  the restaurant example we've been discussing and by the way
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  these things are great if I'm the only one using
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  that's it right right and of course that's not what
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  The restaurant example is, as many people understand, the way
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  a lot of restaurant reservation systems work is you can
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  book a table, and if you cancel just over 24
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  hours in advance, there's no charge. Right. That was when
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  it was hard to go reserve a table unless you
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  had, you know, where you were a tyrant and had
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  an assistant who you beat into the ground. You wouldn't
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  ever go reserve. 19 tables just in case Thursday night.
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  Right. And then. Excuse me. Excuse me. Do you know
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  how many wealthy women. In Austin, Texas, specifically, do exactly
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  that in advance. Weeks in advance, they'll reserve five, six,
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  seven different tables at restaurants and cancel at the last
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  moment. This is very common. It's very common. Sure, sure.
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  But now that everybody – I think they're talking about
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  the – I mean they're generally talking about the sort
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  of the tragedy of the commons in a sense. As
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  long as there's just a handful of people doing it,
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  then it's not so burdensome that it demands change. But
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  if you suddenly have – you know, thousands of people
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  doing it at scale, you have to change. So like
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  that first, things are great now while your agent and
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  a few other people's agents are doing it. But as
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  this load increases, It's like the banks. I mean, banks
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  are blocking this thing, too. Exactly. Because you just can't
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  – Let me finish the clip, and then we'll discuss.
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  You wouldn't ever go reserve 19 tables. Just in case.
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  Thursday night. Right. And then I'm going to decide later
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  on which one I want to do. And then my
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  agent is going to tell me 26 hours beforehand, which
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  of the 19, which, which 18 of the 19 tables
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  do you want to cancel? It's only, that only happens
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  for a very short period of time before the restaurants
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  either say, okay. All right. It's now fifty dollars to
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  book a table or or more or whatever. Right. And
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  there's no cancellation. Yeah. There's no cancel or or the
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  cancellation period is now that we can have 10 days.
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  Yeah, I just disagree with the results. I totally understand
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  what you're saying. Things are going to break everywhere and
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  they are. And this will only result in the logical
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  conclusion that for small claims court and for restaurant reservations
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  as the two examples. AI will talk to AI. That's
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  the only way. Yeah, people will block it, but there
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  will be a couple of restaurants, and they will pop
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  up and say, okay, your AI can now negotiate, and
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  there may or may not be a fee. And that,
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  before we continue, brings me to the second clip, because
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  thank you very much. You led me right into it.
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  I think one of my biggest disappointments has been in
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  our own community, the podcasting 2.0 community. It's not adopted
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  a universal payment. There is a GitHub post that has
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  been ignored and left to rot about how we can
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  include premium and freemium within the RSS feed. There are
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  technologies like L402 and X402. They work. I've got working
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  examples in TrueFans. This is not ethereal. This is not
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  would we, could we, should we. This is it works
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  and here's an example. But no, There's no uptake, there's
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  no interest, there's no desire to do it. We've subjugated
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  it again one more time to other platforms. I banged
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  the drum about creator portals, I think, for three years
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  plus, and we're seeing them now here, you know, We've
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  got some good interviews with networks next week. I mean,
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  this is where it's going. Those networks aren't ad-driven. They're
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  subscription-driven. Global's going subscription-driven. Goalhanger makes $7 a month from
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  its subscribers, making significant ad revenue is being affected. Now,
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  I don't know whether we are... going to be able
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  to turn this around i have no idea but i
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  do think we need to pull our finger out again
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  it's the slowness of adopting video we were late to
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  the party and i think we're slow and late to
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  the party on payments sorry but i think we are
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  well thank you so this is exactly the same problem
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  That has a solution. I believe that AI coded apps
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  should totally strip out all ads. What a great idea.
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  Me too. And the reason why I say that is
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  because that will necessitate people using these types of payment
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  systems. Yep. While you have dynamic ad insertion and this
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  entire industry infrastructure built around the support system for ads
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  – You'll never get significant adoption of what Sam is
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  talking about. Yeah, exactly. But we're going to break it
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  now because now I am all for using your robot
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  to strip out the ads. It's a great idea. Go
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  for it. I'm a rebel. It's going to – it's
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  – This is where I've landed. It's going to happen
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  anyway, so let's just rip the Band-Aid off and do
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  it now. Yes. We're just pretending that it's not going
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  to be the standard practice in, I don't know, 12,
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  18, 24 months. Wait, if TiVo can do it to
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  television – Well, then any AI can do it to
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  podcast. Well, forget television. Have you been following the here
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  it is? What do they call it? Smart TV debloating.
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  Oh, yes. Yes, absolutely. This is fascinating. Yeah. Here it
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  is. Clean Your TV Project explodes on GitHub as thousands
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  hack their TVs back. Oh, yeah. There's another one called
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  Dumb TV, I think. It's great. You just point Claude
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  at your smart TV. It says, okay, what's the model
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  number? Here's how you find it. You take a picture,
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  give that to Claude Code. Boom. It's like, okay, I've
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  just put a whole new interface on top. It's beautiful.
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  This is what I'm talking about. It grabs the firmware,
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  it reverse engineers, it re-reverses,
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  puts in all the stuff you want, takes out all
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  the stuff you don't want, and boom. Yeah. You're done.
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  I don't know if it actually, if it can change
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  the firmware per se. I'm not so sure if it
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  does that. It might. I mean, not the one that
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  I saw. But, I mean, I have an LG TV.
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  And, man, it couldn't be worse the amount of spying
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  this thing does. My understanding is that most of these
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  TVs are Android-based and that these are all mostly APKs.
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  So you just basically repackage another app and just upload
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  it. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm all for this. This
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  is the revolution, people. This is what I'm talking about.
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  And so, yes, L400, L402, X402, that is totally the
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  way forward. Of course, not if you're using Tether because
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  your funds are frozen currently, thanks to the Binance hack,
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  but okay, there you go. Oh, you didn't hear about
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  that? No. Oh, goodness. Yeah, someone got into supposedly a
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  dev laptop and siphoned out something like – the reports
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  vary between $3 and $6 billion, and both Tether and
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  Circle froze their chains. Yeah. Yikes. Yeah. Holy cow. Well,
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  that's a centralized blockchain. That's what you get. Yeah. That's
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  exactly right. You know, this is why Bitcoin is the
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  only way to go. Now, people probably too scary, don't
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  want to adopt it. Price varies too much. Okay. Well,
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  I mean, I feel like all the things are coming
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  together. I mean, when... What Sam's talking about with X402
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  and subscriptions... You know, Cloudflare just released their X402 payment
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  gateway. Ooh, I didn't know that. It's out and ready
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  to go because we got to implement that on Podcast
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  Index now, man. We have tiers. You got a free
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  tier. You got a paid tier. All these apps. All
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  these apps. Yeah, all these apps coming out. Come on,
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  man. They're not donating to us. Yeah, it's called Pi
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  Plus. Yeah. P-I Plus. If you donate to us, free
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  game. You go. Do whatever you need. You don't donate,
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  pay. Yeah. Pay. Everybody's getting in on the game. We
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  might as well lead the charge. Here's how it works,
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  people. It's real simple. The, uh... Yeah, it's called Cloudflare
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  Monetization Gateway is what it's called. And what does it
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  do? What does it do? Does it give people wallets
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  or what does it do? I saw it right before
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  the show. Okay. So I – I'm trying to find
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  it back in my timeline. It was posted on the...
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  on the Mastodon here. Let's see. Where is it? Oh,
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  let's see. No, that's... Is the Cloudflare X402 payment gateway?
• 22:49
  Is that what you called it? I could have sworn
• 22:52
  they said monetization gateway. Ooh, monetization. What a big fancy
• 22:56
  word. Ha! It is very fancy. Oh, here it is.
• 23:02
  Cloudflare Monetization Gateway. It's blog.cloudflare.com slash monetization – gateway –
• 23:09
  beta. And so it's X402, and it supposedly has got
• 23:18
  this – It seems like it has two kind of
• 23:21
  rails. One is just an X402 payment, and the other
• 23:27
  one seems to be – Something much more complicated. I
• 23:31
  didn't fully understand it, but it was like you somehow
• 23:35
  get like a contract. Oh, brother. Why so complicated? Yeah.
• 23:43
  Then let's see. You can either do straight 402 or
• 23:49
  you can also do this thing where the site gives
• 23:53
  you some kind of contract that then stays around so
• 23:58
  that if you buy – like if you bought something
• 24:01
  and used it multiple times later, it would somehow –
• 24:06
  charge you for the offline use? I did not understand
• 24:10
  what that was. It sounded very complicated. If you are
• 24:13
  a U.S. seller in the beta, Cloudflare lets you put
• 24:16
  a per-request USDC price On a domain, it says here,
• 24:21
  API, MCP tool or data set and an X402 compatible
• 24:25
  agent can pay it inside the normal request response cycle.
• 24:31
  If you're outside the U.S. or not in the beta,
• 24:33
  it's still weightless territory. And they also announced Cloudflare wallets.
• 24:38
  They did that a couple months ago with account wallets
• 24:41
  and virtual wallets for agents. But in documentation last update
• 24:44
  August 19th, the only working feature was reserving a handle
• 24:48
  at cloudflare.pay. Okay, so we'll see. Well, this is high
• 24:52
  value. See, it's built for resources where every request is
• 24:56
  the use, like APIs, tools, and data. Right. High value
• 24:59
  content is different. A page might be crawled once and
• 25:03
  used a thousand times. For that, pay-per-use offers a trusted
• 25:07
  network of verified buyers who report each use and pay
• 25:10
  for it. See, this is the part where it went
• 25:12
  off the rails for me. I don't know what that's
• 25:14
  talking about. Well, all we really need to wait for
• 25:17
  is the bank integration of... Fiat and USDC or Tether.
• 25:24
  When that's coming, it's going to be a part of
• 25:26
  your bank. It's obvious. They're all in on it. They're
• 25:30
  all, in fact, they're all in the consortium. And just
• 25:36
  this... I think the issue that Sam's running into is
• 25:42
  that he, just like you, he tends to be way
• 25:45
  out in front. And he's – his industry hasn't –
• 25:50
  or his – not his industry, but his way of
• 25:55
  seeing. Sam's industry is construction. Sam's incorporating. Yeah. His way
• 26:02
  of thinking is – he's just too far ahead. It
• 26:06
  hasn't caught up. And this – I don't know that
• 26:11
  – I mean I don't know that I would necessarily
• 26:13
  build something on the Cloudflare monetization gateway. I think Cloudflare
• 26:17
  is a schizophrenic company. But I mean – Case in
• 26:21
  point, I still – We don't have the bot submission
• 26:25
  request for the podcast index. Well, it's the same with
• 26:28
  the wallets, apparently. Yeah, exactly. You just get a name
• 26:33
  reserve. You don't get a wallet. Who knows how many
• 26:36
  months that will take. But this is the future, and
• 26:39
  I want to embrace it. There's no stopping this. And
• 26:43
  when you posted about all those apps coming in, I'm
• 26:46
  like, okay, there it is. That's how it's going to
• 26:50
  work. is people are going to be creating and this
• 26:54
  will detract from everyone's score basically so what are you
• 27:00
  going to do to attract people to your app well
• 27:04
  uh payments and take a piece for yourself And on
• 27:10
  the other side, we'll just make sure that your app
• 27:13
  is attractive by ripping out the ads. I'm all for
• 27:18
  it now. I'm all for it. That's going to become
• 27:21
  just baseline. Yeah, that'll be the baseline. And I'm also
• 27:25
  all for flooding the small claims court. That, I think
• 27:30
  they are 100% correct on that. I do not think
• 27:35
  for one second that the world is going to flourish
• 27:40
  under agents. I think it's going to get more locked
• 27:44
  down because of this. Oh, no. No. Listen to your
• 27:47
  own advice. All you need is a couple of... apps
• 27:51
  to say, yeah, we strip out ads and it becomes
• 27:54
  the baseline. All you need is one restaurant to say,
• 27:58
  yeah, we'll negotiate on tables and cancellation with your robot.
• 28:03
  All you need is one or two shopping sites And
• 28:07
  Amazon will fold. They will fold. I see it all
• 28:10
  the time. Amazon blocked my robot, but then my robot
• 28:13
  found it directly from the supplier and actually got it
• 28:15
  cheaper. This is what's going to happen. The negotiation, this
• 28:22
  thing that you keep bringing up where you're saying that
• 28:25
  my agent is going to negotiate with the restaurant's agent
• 28:30
  to get to bid for a table. Yes. Yes. All
• 28:34
  that does is just ensure that I will never get
• 28:36
  a table at a restaurant because everybody – all the
• 28:41
  wealthy within my area will always just outbid me for
• 28:46
  every table. No, I'm not – This sounds like a
• 28:51
  future that rewards money. I was talking – welcome to
• 28:56
  capitalism. I was talking more about arbitrage versus anything else.
• 29:03
  So if – now, it's interesting that you say that.
• 29:06
  Okay, so restaurants will – It's possible that they could
• 29:11
  negotiate based upon how much you're willing to put down
• 29:14
  to hold the table. That's possible. But then there will
• 29:17
  be many other options. And ultimately, the way the free
• 29:21
  strippers stripping also. Well, there you go. Ultimately, the free
• 29:27
  market. which I believe in, makes these things work. But
• 29:32
  the free markets are being disrupted like crazy right now.
• 29:37
  It's the same with oil. So the oil price, yeah,
• 29:41
  a lot of it's determined by oil. The insurance costs,
• 29:45
  the hull insurance and ship insurance, which is determined mainly
• 29:49
  by Lloyd's of London. There's more oil flowing out of
• 29:52
  the Gulf now than before the war through pipelines and
• 29:57
  ships that are being shepherded.
• 30:00
  by the U.S. Navy, but the real price is being
• 30:04
  set by Hyperliquid. And Hyperliquid is a PERP trading platform,
• 30:10
  PERP for perpetual options, options that never expire. And people
• 30:14
  are just betting on the price of oil, and because
• 30:18
  it's 24-7, It's all tokenized. There's no actual oil. You
• 30:23
  never take delivery of any oil. It's like a calci,
• 30:25
  basically, but with a never-ending price. or never-ending option, and
• 30:33
  it runs 24-7. So people see these prices, and every
• 30:39
  single trading desk in the world It has a hyperliquid
• 30:42
  account. They have Calci accounts. They have – what's the
• 30:46
  other one? The other betting site? DraftKings? Probably. Probably. But
• 30:53
  this is setting prices. Perplexed? No, not perplexed. Perpetual options.
• 31:00
  Perpetual options. Oh, you're talking about that other platform. Oh,
• 31:03
  yeah. Polymarket. Polymarket. Yeah, polymarket. So that's setting the price
• 31:10
  of oil. And eventually that'll break. But, you know, this
• 31:14
  is this is how open and free markets operate. It's
• 31:17
  beautiful to watch. Now, does it mean stuff sucks for
• 31:21
  a while? Absolutely. But I truly believe it's going to
• 31:25
  start to benefit the normies, God forbid. Until your agentic
• 31:32
  utopia arrives, I will just... Continue to eat dinner at
• 31:38
  3.30 on a Tuesday. I'm not saying it's utopia. I'm
• 31:42
  saying this is what it is. This is what it
• 31:45
  is. It's amazing. I didn't even know about the small
• 31:49
  claims court. I mean, I did my passport renewal the
• 31:52
  other day. Same thing. Hey, renew my passport. Okay, I've
• 31:55
  got form D82. I filled it all out for you.
• 31:58
  You just need to put in your social security number.
• 32:01
  I can't use that. I don't have that. And print
• 32:04
  it off, and it'll even print out the label. Okay,
• 32:07
  now you just stick it in. Oh, I'm going to
• 32:09
  remind you for three weeks, which it did, to get
• 32:11
  your passport photo taken. Or you can take it yourself.
• 32:15
  and I'll analyze it, make sure it's done properly. It's
• 32:18
  beautiful. It's one of those things that's the biggest pain
• 32:21
  in the butt. It tells me where to send it.
• 32:23
  Everything's set. Yeah, for now. For now. Dave, people can
• 32:28
  fight it all they want. The machine wins always. No,
• 32:33
  no, no, no, no, no, no. The bank is the
• 32:36
  example. If the bank says your agent can't connect to
• 32:40
  your account, you can't connect. They win. Until two banks
• 32:43
  say your agent can connect. The... If JP Morgan is
• 32:51
  the biggest bank in the world – And they pay
• 32:58
  like a 0.1% interest rate on savings. There's hundreds of
• 33:05
  banks out there paying 4% on money market funds, yet
• 33:11
  somehow J.P. Morgan continues to be the biggest bank in
• 33:15
  the world. Nobody's leaving. Nobody's putting their money to somewhere
• 33:19
  else where they can get a higher return. It just
• 33:23
  – Keeps on keeping on that this the free some
• 33:27
  somehow the free market just doesn't seem to be fixing
• 33:31
  these things. But how can you say that when you
• 33:35
  say ads will be stripped out? It'll be the baseline.
• 33:38
  It's exactly the same thing. No, no, because I can
• 33:41
  because the app can strip the ads on its own.
• 33:45
  If I have to depend on a counterparty to also
• 33:47
  accept the thing that I'm doing, then they can block
• 33:51
  me. Okay. We shall see. Your counterparty is Plaid. That's
• 33:57
  what's getting it. This is the problem. This is why
• 34:00
  the banks are flipping out. It's like so many –
• 34:02
  I mean Plaid, which I think is owned by Visa
• 34:06
  – You know, it's owned by the institutions now. It
• 34:09
  powers all it powers into its access into your bank
• 34:12
  account, all of this stuff. So you can't really you
• 34:16
  can't really tell what is using Plaid. But when you
• 34:19
  use Plaid, you do sign a EULA that says, hey,
• 34:22
  man, I'm responsible for using this. If something goes wrong,
• 34:25
  it's up to me. So, I mean, I'm still connected.
• 34:31
  I've given it access, read access to my credit card.
• 34:36
  and read access to one bank account. Not my main
• 34:39
  one, because I'm not totally stupid, but just to look
• 34:42
  at what's being like PayPal's and stuff. This gives me
• 34:46
  a running total. It's like, hey, this looks like a
• 34:49
  suspicious transaction or you're halfway through your budget for the
• 34:53
  month. I mean, this is what it's doing for me.
• 34:56
  The next step is just pay that for me. And
• 34:58
  maybe I'll do that. I don't know. People didn't want
• 35:00
  to put their credit card number on the Internet in
• 35:02
  the beginning either. Oh, I'm never going to do that.
• 35:04
  Never, never, never, never going to do that. And here
• 35:07
  we are. Well, I wonder if I pulled this clip.
• 35:12
  Let's see. uh these clips came from the dick and
• 35:16
  paul show you know i subscribed to the dick and
• 35:19
  paul show i must have gotten a dud because i'm
• 35:22
  like what is this nonsense it's not always good i
• 35:25
  guess uh what what one did you hear i don't
• 35:28
  know it was after last week's show i believe i
• 35:31
  told my robot dick and paul show Uh-huh. And it's
• 35:36
  – let me see. Let me see where it is.
• 35:39
  Oh, yeah. Here it is. Yeah, they had one on
• 35:41
  – I mean, the most recent episode wasn't my favorite,
• 35:45
  but it's pretty good. I mean, it was like some
• 35:47
  CEOs or something like that. Yeah, here it is. I'll
• 35:51
  just send you another clip. This is the one on
• 35:53
  banks. Hold on a second. Dick and Paul. Hold on.
• 35:59
  Let me grab it. I love how this works. It's
• 36:02
  so easy to do. Come on, where are you? banks.
• 36:06
  Here we go. I mean, the other one that came
• 36:08
  up, we were just talking about on Friday, I think
• 36:10
  it was B of A announced that you can no
• 36:14
  longer use an agentic tool, one of these personal AIs
• 36:16
  to access your banking information. And it's not just B
• 36:19
  of A, it's a few others now that have come
• 36:21
  in and blocked them. I think JP Morgan, B of
• 36:24
  A, and Citi have all said you can't do this.
• 36:26
  Now, the immediate... The immediate response from the agentic crowd
• 36:30
  is to say, oh, those bastards, because they're preventing me
• 36:33
  from being one with my money agentically. Yeah, for now.
• 36:38
  Well, I must have missed it on the clip, but
• 36:41
  they went on to talk about how the reason –
• 36:45
  it's not just simply because of a – It may
• 36:51
  not be what you think because – I know for
• 36:55
  my credit union, my credit union has regulations on it
• 37:00
  imposed by the NCUA, the National Credit Union Association, that
• 37:05
  for share accounts, you can only transfer money in and
• 37:09
  out. Up to six times a week, I think. And
• 37:13
  that is a regulatory requirement. And so you can't allow
• 37:16
  agents to come in and start pop, pop, pop, pop,
• 37:18
  pop, just throwing money around because it destabilizes the bank
• 37:22
  like at a fundamental level. Yeah. Because they have to
• 37:25
  depend on a certain amount of reserves in a certain
• 37:28
  – Not just reserves in total, but reserves in certain
• 37:32
  types of accounts. Yeah, it's a different kind of bank.
• 37:36
  Yeah, it's a nonprofit, and there's a community that has
• 37:39
  to do certain things to make it function and give
• 37:42
  you all those great rates that they give you. Right.
• 37:45
  But as an agent, you're just like, damn it. I
• 37:48
  can't move my money. But it's like, well, they just
• 37:51
  – I don't think they can trust these things to
• 37:55
  do – To do things properly. I mean, you just
• 37:57
  don't know. And so really, there is no reason, I
• 38:01
  don't think, to – and I'm not quite sure what
• 38:03
  people want their agents to do. And it seems like
• 38:06
  a logical conclusion that to give your agent a wallet
• 38:11
  of whatever it is – And connect that wallet to
• 38:14
  your bank account and top it up, which I think
• 38:16
  people are getting pretty familiar with. Everyone knows what a
• 38:19
  cell phone top up is. And that'll be your buying
• 38:23
  and selling agent or your transaction thing. And it'll do
• 38:27
  stuff online and it'll route around it. Route around the
• 38:30
  banks and don't need the banks. And that, of course,
• 38:33
  is what we thought lightning would do with Bitcoin. And
• 38:35
  it may still it may still turn out to be
• 38:37
  a great idea. I don't know. But this whole idea
• 38:41
  of X402 for payments of things. Yeah, I think that's.
• 38:47
  I want that on my email. You want to send
• 38:49
  me some email? All right. X402Bitch. Is that the site?
• 38:54
  X402Bitch.com? No, that is now the title of the show.
• 39:00
  I think it just comes down to, in podcasting, what
• 39:04
  – I was thinking about this this morning. What are
• 39:08
  we – When I say we, I just mean what
• 39:12
  is podcasting selling? Like what I mean is more like
• 39:19
  metaphorically what are – When we want somebody to consume
• 39:28
  our podcast – What are we actually wanting them to,
• 39:33
  quote, buy? Value. Okay, see, that's – so this goes
• 39:40
  back to like I work in the tax preparation business.
• 39:45
  And so the – what we are selling as a
• 39:48
  company is not – we're not selling you a tax
• 39:51
  return. What we're selling you is – confidence and peace
• 39:57
  of mind. That's really...
• 40:00
  the product. Sure, sure. Because people are afraid to do
• 40:04
  their taxes because taxes are extremely complicated and if you
• 40:07
  F it up, you get audited and all these problems.
• 40:10
  And as you as your wealth increases and your company
• 40:13
  gets bigger, those things just compound. And so what a
• 40:17
  tax firm is selling you is not the tax return.
• 40:21
  They're selling you the peace of mind of knowing that
• 40:23
  it's going to be done well and somebody is going
• 40:26
  to back you up. And I feel like in podcasting,
• 40:32
  Exactly what you said. What podcasting is – It's a
• 40:37
  value proposition. It's this content is valuable to your life.
• 40:44
  And podcast advertising is... uh, Does not seem to be.
• 40:53
  Does not seem to fit. Anymore. Within that. within that
• 40:59
  realm, within that promise. At one point in time, I
• 41:02
  think it did. We all make fun of the mattress
• 41:04
  ads and the Warby Parkers and all this kind of
• 41:07
  stuff. But at one point in time, those things actually
• 41:10
  were – people followed those ads and they went into
• 41:13
  it. But when you're hearing ads for Palmolive dish detergent
• 41:17
  – and you're hearing the same ad seven times because
• 41:20
  it's a dynamic rotation in the same 45-minute episode, you're
• 41:25
  no longer providing value. And so what you're wanting people
• 41:31
  to, quote, buy, they consider now less valuable. And I
• 41:37
  feel like... I don't think this is not just me
• 41:40
  spouting off, but I feel like – but I'm saying
• 41:44
  that – Like on Oxford Road's show, I forgot what
• 41:50
  the name of it is, but those guys had a
• 41:53
  recent episode where they were talking about this very thing
• 41:57
  and how ad sellers are just loading up shows and
• 42:01
  they're actually driving audience away. And if they don't stop…
• 42:09
  And it's the whole thing is going to crumble because
• 42:11
  they don't understand that they've showed up to a gunfight
• 42:16
  with a knife. And the the these ad these apps
• 42:20
  that strip the ads away, that is going to become
• 42:24
  baseline because the product itself changed and it changed in
• 42:30
  an environment when the capabilities to fix it are now
• 42:35
  dirt cheap. And what do you expect is going to
• 42:38
  happen? Of course this is going to happen. Of course.
• 42:43
  I mean, it's just there's no way around it. We
• 42:47
  were at – my sister had surgery this week, and
• 42:52
  I went to the hospital to visit her, and –
• 42:56
  We walked by this – we walked by a Starbucks
• 43:01
  in the hospital, and it said, we have sushi. I
• 43:07
  was like – I mean, forgive me if I don't
• 43:10
  go by Brookwood Hospital Starbucks to get my sushi. But
• 43:18
  this is – that's the thing. You can take a
• 43:22
  high-end product. Like you can take a very good podcast.
• 43:30
  I consider the Dick and Paul show to be a
• 43:32
  very good podcast most of the time. You can take
• 43:35
  a high-end product and you can – and the reason
• 43:40
  I consider it to be a high-end product right now
• 43:43
  is because I get a lot of value out of
• 43:45
  it. And they have basically zero ads. If they add
• 43:51
  one ad for something, a host read, fine. Maybe a
• 43:55
  post roll. I'll still find value. If they start loading
• 44:00
  that thing up, the value proposition just declines and declines
• 44:04
  and declines. And now before you know it, you took
• 44:07
  – A high-end restaurant experience and turned it into like
• 44:09
  Starbucks hospital sushi. And I just don't want it anymore,
• 44:13
  and I will just unsubscribe from the show. Right, but
• 44:16
  it's the inverse of what you're saying, that the advertising
• 44:22
  industry, there's always going to be someone who loads up
• 44:26
  more ads. Yeah, and it's going to kill itself. Yeah,
• 44:29
  of course it will, but it's going to kill itself
• 44:32
  in the same way that shopping sites will kill themselves
• 44:36
  if they don't want agentic systems arbitraging and negotiating prices
• 44:43
  or shipping length or anything. You know, number of items
• 44:48
  is all this is a this is a fantastic world.
• 44:51
  The bottleneck, really, at this point, the bottleneck is the
• 44:55
  stupid app stores. That's the problem. Well, did you see
• 44:59
  what happened to – they talked about Amazon in their
• 45:01
  most recent episode and how the reason they're blocking agents
• 45:05
  is because it kills their search revenue. Yeah, of course
• 45:08
  it does. Yeah, and did you see what happened to
• 45:11
  Amazon? The search took a hit. Yeah, of course it
• 45:14
  did. And Google's search took a hit. It's basically flat.
• 45:17
  Yeah. AI is killing is killing search ad revenue across
• 45:22
  the board. Like it's made a major dent. Amazon and
• 45:27
  Google both got crushed. Another benefit. Another huge benefit. Yeah.
• 45:31
  Yeah. Advertising is on the lam, boy. Boy, boy, I
• 45:35
  said, boy, advertising is on the lam. Daily source code.
• 45:44
  archive yeah how about that why are you saying that
• 45:47
  all of a sudden are you just have Tourette's what
• 45:49
  is going on uh because it just popped into my
• 45:51
  head for some reason daily source code podcast index id
• 45:55
  2004 yes the daily source code.com thank you to the
• 46:00
  swedish trickler Christopher Izeen, who painstakingly went out and found
• 46:06
  every single episode plus nine bonus episodes. And your original
• 46:12
  Apple script. Yeah, but he has that as well. And
• 46:17
  so I built a website. I built is a big
• 46:21
  word there. This morning, I literally told my robot, make
• 46:26
  a page for every episode. Put all podcast, because he
• 46:29
  also built a RSS feed with all the podcasting 2.0
• 46:32
  features. So transcripts in SRT and VTT. chapters, I think
• 46:39
  chapters, person, location, tag, all of it's in there. And
• 46:45
  I say, okay, robot, make a page. All right. Literally
• 46:48
  eight minutes later. All right, 837 have been built. Here
• 46:52
  you go. And so now the Daily Source Code is
• 46:55
  forever archived. I'm super grateful for him doing that work.
• 46:59
  He's been working on that for at least two years.
• 47:02
  Yeah, just trying to find the files. Once he had
• 47:05
  the files, it got a little bit easier. But then
• 47:07
  he still had to do the transcript for all those
• 47:09
  episodes. It's a thing of beauty. And I listened to
• 47:13
  him like... Wow, I say um a lot. Not anymore.
• 47:18
  I say um, um. You banish that somehow psychologically from
• 47:22
  yourself. Yes, and this is all pre-noise gate, so a
• 47:26
  lot of room noise, a lot of stuff going on.
• 47:30
  He contacted me and said, we got to get a
• 47:32
  good podcast in. Chris, I've seen... What a beautiful human
• 47:36
  being. Yes, indeed. He said, we've got to get a
• 47:39
  good podcast index ID numerology for this feed. And he
• 47:44
  wanted podcast index ID one, but I just couldn't. Yeah,
• 47:51
  that would have been great. What is ID one? So
• 47:54
  it's Mark something. It's like a Christian podcast, Mark something.
• 47:59
  But it's been there forever, and I'm afraid too many
• 48:03
  people wrote it. So I found – so he said,
• 48:05
  what about 2004? Because that's when the show started. So
• 48:07
  we figured that one out. That had like a dead
• 48:10
  show in it, so I moved it out, moved things
• 48:12
  around. So yeah, that's good numerology. I love it. And
• 48:17
  I don't think ID one would have been great anyway,
• 48:20
  because there's some things in the index when the numbers
• 48:24
  get down that low. Some of the scripts don't they
• 48:28
  treat it as suspicious. They're like, wait, suspicious, suspicious. Yeah,
• 48:35
  it's like that that. The TLS certificate host that had
• 48:39
  their private key stolen and their private key was four.
• 48:44
  Did you hear about that? No. That's crazy. He has
• 48:47
  an Indian certificate provider. Their private keys leaked onto the
• 48:53
  internet, and one of the private keys was four. Yeah.
• 48:57
  Wow. Just the number four. Okay. Brute force. Oh, fourth
• 49:02
  hit. I got it. Hey, you built the clone detector.
• 49:08
  Yeah, you want to talk about that? Yeah, the first
• 49:11
  thing I wanted to say is that, you know, all
• 49:13
  this talk of a code of conduct, blah, blah, blah,
• 49:17
  blah, blah. No. First of all, there's a LOX tag
• 49:21
  for a reason. And if people are ignoring that, then
• 49:24
  they suck. But I think the clone detector is great
• 49:28
  because… You know, just put a tab on podcastindex.org called
• 49:33
  lawyer. No, in fact, we'll add it to the MCP
• 49:36
  server. Here we go. Lawyer up. Check lawyer up dot
• 49:41
  com. Check to see if my feed is cloned. Then
• 49:44
  it'll check. It'll come back and it'll have a link
• 49:48
  to an MCP server for a law firm. And it'll
• 49:51
  fire off an immediate cease and desist to the hosting
• 49:54
  company and whoever else it can find. And file it
• 49:57
  in small claims court. Yeah.
• 50:00
  Seriously, I mean, we should not be doing code of
• 50:02
  conduct. We should be suing people right away. Cease and
• 50:06
  desist right away. Immediately. Don't ask. Don't just boom. Screw
• 50:11
  you. Just out of MCP, a tool call lawsuit. File
• 50:18
  underscore lawsuit. Yes. And why is this happening? Because of
• 50:23
  dynamically inserted ads. If there was no monetization – Then
• 50:28
  it wouldn't be happening. It would be lame. I don't
• 50:31
  want to do that. What point is that? Oh, I
• 50:32
  can steal someone's money? Yeah, great. So, you know, hosting
• 50:38
  companies, they should probably be looking at this feed a
• 50:41
  lot. Because if that happened in one of my podcasts,
• 50:44
  immediately. Immediate paperwork. Yeah, file underscore lawsuit. Yeah. So the
• 50:51
  podcast lock tag was one of the first – I
• 50:53
  mean literally it was one of the first two or
• 50:57
  three tags that we created for the namespace. And the
• 51:01
  idea there has always been kind of misunderstood. Yeah. Because
• 51:06
  I remember Rob Walsh and other people were like, well,
• 51:10
  this podcast lock tag doesn't, you know, it doesn't work.
• 51:13
  I mean, it can't, you can't enforce. Yeah, you can.
• 51:16
  You can. Don't, don't ingest if it has, if the
• 51:19
  lock tag equals equal, equals yes. Right. Right. And the
• 51:23
  thing of – and this is – because this is
• 51:26
  the same way that this – the lock tag was
• 51:28
  based on the DNS domain name system registrar ecosystem. You
• 51:34
  have to have a code. It's generated or else the
• 51:38
  DNS – else you can't move a domain name from
• 51:41
  one registrar to the other. And the only reason that
• 51:44
  works is because all the registrars agree to go by
• 51:48
  that code of conduct. Any one of them could easily
• 51:51
  just do it. Yeah. Yeah. But they've all agreed to
• 51:55
  a code of conduct that says we're going to respect
• 52:00
  this method for transfer. And if the hosting companies don't
• 52:05
  respect that, then all this is irrelevant. I mean the
• 52:10
  lock tag depends on adherence. And so like – but
• 52:16
  all – what I'm saying is all industries that also
• 52:19
  work this way also depend on adherence. So this is
• 52:23
  not somehow uniquely dysfunctional as a tag. But – so
• 52:29
  I just took James's – And tried and said, OK,
• 52:36
  well, how can we automate this to make for two
• 52:41
  goals? Um, Make it where people don't have to download
• 52:47
  the index dump and search through a bunch of –
• 52:50
  use a bunch of SQL statements like he had to
• 52:52
  do. Mm-hmm. Make it an automated quick process and then
• 53:00
  also make it machine readable so that automation can look
• 53:08
  at these lists. and make decisions so like you know
• 53:14
  so the the issue here is not just spreaker this
• 53:18
  is a cut this this happens a lot and has
• 53:21
  been happening for years uh the so pod news he
• 53:26
  said he listed 1778 copies using uh using our data
• 53:31
  uh I think we're in a better position to do
• 53:35
  this in a proactive way because we see almost every
• 53:39
  feed in the ecosystem. And from across all hosts, not
• 53:44
  just Spreaker, not just Anchor, any of those, we see
• 53:48
  everything. So we can spot… We can quickly spot a
• 53:53
  new feed. That looks like some other feed. And that
• 53:59
  was kind of the that was kind of my methodology
• 54:04
  here was don't. Just editorialize on what these things are.
• 54:08
  Just present the data and let other people who actually
• 54:12
  know look at it and decide whether or not it's
• 54:15
  something nefarious or just something innocent. Because if you say…
• 54:23
  If you come up with rules – well, let me
• 54:26
  just say how it works. So what I'm calling it
• 54:32
  is a lookalike feed report to try to avoid any
• 54:36
  sort of negativity here because a lot of these things
• 54:41
  aren't scams or hijacks. They're just – it's just neutral.
• 54:46
  It's saying – What the index is saying is, hey,
• 54:49
  I see this feed, and it sure does look a
• 54:51
  lot like this other feed. And then there's like a
• 54:56
  confidence score and – but then you leave it to
• 55:00
  others who actually know to make the final call, like
• 55:06
  direct – the direct – other directories, hosting companies, journalists,
• 55:12
  like. whoever, the creators themselves. If you own a pod,
• 55:18
  if you make a podcast, And then you see one
• 55:22
  of your shows show up on this list and you're
• 55:26
  like, hey, wait, I've only ever hosted at Buzzsprout. But
• 55:31
  now there's a show with my art and a similar
• 55:36
  name to mine showing up on Anchor. You know something's
• 55:40
  up. But also, maybe you moved your show from... Or
• 55:47
  RSS.com to Captivate or something like that. Well, then you're
• 55:51
  like, oh, those are my two shows. I'll just contact,
• 55:55
  you know, Podcast Index or I forgot to shut that
• 55:58
  account down, whatever. So there's no there's no like labeling
• 56:04
  here that says, OK, this is all if you try
• 56:06
  to label it and say this is a scam or
• 56:08
  a hijack, you just you're in for trouble. Yeah. But...
• 56:15
  So it matches on a few things. It matches on
• 56:18
  show title. So the primaries are show title and artwork.
• 56:25
  If those two things are similar, it – Treats it
• 56:30
  as sort of like a candidate and then digs in
• 56:33
  further and finds out what are the actual details. It
• 56:38
  compares the episode goods. Are they the same or are
• 56:41
  they different? When you're importing a show, it's probably always
• 56:46
  – it's mostly always going to keep the same episode
• 56:48
  goods. So if you have a show over here on
• 56:51
  – if you have a show on Transistor and then
• 56:54
  that same – a similar show shows up on –
• 56:58
  RSS.com, and it has the same episode goods across your
• 57:02
  catalog, there's a good chance that somebody used the import
• 57:06
  tool. Is there an API call for this, or is
• 57:09
  it just the CSV report that is updated regularly? Yeah,
• 57:14
  right now, the SQL to do this is very heavy.
• 57:19
  Because it has to do multiple calls per candidate. How
• 57:22
  often does the CSV update? It updates daily. So I
• 57:27
  did one backlog of the entire index as it stands
• 57:31
  yesterday. What time does it update? I think it's 4am
• 57:36
  I believe that may be UTC I think it's 4am
• 57:40
  UTC So then daily it will produce a daily CSV
• 57:45
  and a date stamped CSV for historical purposes so you
• 57:50
  can walk back in time and see all the feeds
• 57:53
  from that – so the daily thing is only feeds
• 57:57
  that were created in the last 24 hours. So we're
• 58:00
  taking those – And then looking for candidates on just
• 58:05
  that sample. Mm-hmm. The... So then you have – then
• 58:12
  it digs into the episodes themselves and says, okay, do
• 58:17
  they – does one of the shows on either side
• 58:20
  – so depending – does one of the shows on
• 58:23
  either side of this pair share at least three episodes
• 58:27
  in common? And if it does, then it considers that
• 58:33
  to be some sort of duplication that's happened or copying,
• 58:37
  mirror, whatever label you want to put on it. So
• 58:45
  some – A lot of the things that showed up
• 58:50
  in the pod news report, I believe, were sort of
• 58:54
  like generic titles. Now, I think there was almost a
• 58:59
  thousand that were solid, but I think there was probably
• 59:04
  another 40 percent. There were things like test and trailer,
• 59:10
  things like that. I think there was – I haven't
• 59:14
  – I didn't look at James' data in depth, but
• 59:18
  I believe there was some of that stuff in there
• 59:20
  too. So I'm trying to filter out as much of
• 59:24
  those as I can. It's never going to be 100%
• 59:28
  exact, but I am trying to get rid of those.
• 59:32
  So the crime junkie one is an example. Like –
• 59:36
  Uh, there's a speaker copy with identical episode, guides, titles,
• 59:40
  and dates. Uh, The only thing that differs is the
• 59:44
  author name, which is GFTR. And the audio is re-hosted
• 59:49
  on Spreaker, and every episode audio is about two and
• 59:53
  a half minutes longer, so those are your ad insertions.
• 59:57
  So that fingerprint is a
• 1:00:00
  Very good indicator of something being a clone show for
• 1:00:03
  ad purposes. And there's more copies in other places that
• 1:00:10
  I found, but that was a clear – Uh, and
• 1:00:15
  I think that was in James's set as well. I'm
• 1:00:18
  as, as in fact, I know it was, um, so
• 1:00:21
  it can be labeled as five, like, let's see, is
• 1:00:24
  there one, two, three, four, five different possible labels. Um,
• 1:00:29
  A copy... is means the original is still publishing, but
• 1:00:35
  the audio is being rehosted. A host migration means it
• 1:00:40
  seems to be like an owner move. So it has
• 1:00:43
  a redirect and the same Apple ID, and the old
• 1:00:48
  feed went quiet. So if those three things hold, then
• 1:00:51
  it considers it to be a host migration. Same owner
• 1:00:56
  mirror. A mirror is… The same show on two hosts
• 1:01:01
  with the same audio files. So this happens all the
• 1:01:04
  time. Some people just get in this weird thing where
• 1:01:08
  they don't want to kill their old Apple ID. And
• 1:01:10
  they just have two hosting companies. Serving the same show.
• 1:01:16
  I don't know why, but that happens. It happens on
• 1:01:19
  FeedBurner, too. You get FeedBurner clones. Yeah, it happens a
• 1:01:24
  lot. There's a duplicate listing label, which means the same
• 1:01:29
  feed listed twice on one host. So the same show,
• 1:01:34
  I mean, which is also weird, but it does happen.
• 1:01:38
  And then there's just one that says unclear, and it's
• 1:01:40
  just – It's like their shared episodes exist, but the
• 1:01:46
  rest of the signals don't really give a clear indicator
• 1:01:51
  of what's going on. What does first stored mean in
• 1:01:55
  the report? Where are you seeing that at? Hmm. So
• 1:02:01
  it has, I looked up no agenda and it has...
• 1:02:08
  The original NA show notes. It says first stored. Believe
• 1:02:17
  me, I'm not looking at this myself. Yeah, I wonder
• 1:02:22
  if it's – is that in the CSV? Yeah, yes,
• 1:02:25
  apparently. Okay, and that's in the backlog CSV? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  Uh, first stored would be when the, when the feed
• 1:02:35
  was created in the index. Okay. Okay. um, Got it.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, so the... Because timing is a – is a
• 1:02:50
  factor too because like what whatever if a feed which
• 1:02:53
  feed comes first is also a signal. It's actually a
• 1:02:59
  pretty good one. It's not the only one. You've got
• 1:03:03
  to temper it. The things that are not factored in
• 1:03:08
  are things like the link tag. That's not reliable. People
• 1:03:15
  copy that. Like I said, generic titles. So there's a
• 1:03:20
  lot of feeds that just might be called sermons or
• 1:03:23
  test or daily show or something like that. These things
• 1:03:29
  are just not reliable as titles. Another one is PeerTube
• 1:03:32
  Federation. Yeah, PeerTube will – often you'll end up with
• 1:03:39
  RSS feeds for the same show across different Peertube instances.
• 1:03:46
  And those things... You know, they're just the same show.
• 1:03:52
  And it's going through their Federation system. And so try
• 1:03:56
  to leave that out as well. The... Let's see. Yeah,
• 1:04:07
  things, so like A lot of these – sometimes these
• 1:04:12
  things are just not going to be very reliable, and
• 1:04:14
  that's another reason why we're saying, well, we're just not
• 1:04:18
  going to make – we're not going to label these
• 1:04:20
  or make an editorial decision on them because sometimes they're
• 1:04:24
  just innocent copies. The WordPress factor. WordPress. What is saspod.com?
• 1:04:32
  S-A-S-P-O-D dot com. I'm getting a lot of dupes on
• 1:04:37
  SassPod. And they seem to have directories for Apple, for
• 1:04:43
  Player FM, for Podchaser. A podcast production company that elevates
• 1:04:49
  your brand's visibility and authority through strategic storytelling. Yeah. So
• 1:04:53
  they're copying feeds, including ours, this one. Oh, they're re-hosting?
• 1:04:58
  Mm-hmm. Yeah. Great. Why do people do this? Let me
• 1:05:07
  see. I'm looking at this now. What is this? sasspod.com
• 1:05:15
  Do sasspod.com slash feed slash podcast index. I may be
• 1:05:19
  wrong. Hold on a second. Let me see. sas.com slash
• 1:05:26
  feed slash podcast index. Let's see what shows up. No,
• 1:05:34
  I get an error. Okay, maybe not. But something's in
• 1:05:36
  the index with SassPod. Okay. Okay, I'll look at it.
• 1:05:42
  Yeah, so there's... The backlog was about 3 million active
• 1:05:47
  feeds, and out of that – It found about 100,000
• 1:05:55
  pairs that looked like look-alike pairs. About 50,000 of those
• 1:06:02
  look like just mirrors. Uh, 13 and a half thousand
• 1:06:07
  were might seem to be host migrations and another 25,000
• 1:06:11
  were copies. Um, um, Yeah, and so out of... It
• 1:06:18
  found 1,400 roughly that looked like they were a strong
• 1:06:23
  monetization copy. 762 of those were on Spreaker, so about
• 1:06:28
  half of those. Let me just respond to Sir Bemrose
• 1:06:32
  in the board meeting. It says, how long before we
• 1:06:36
  have to build an AI agent to remove all the
• 1:06:38
  clone shows in the index called No Agenda? Well, I'll
• 1:06:42
  have you know that we have a trademark on No
• 1:06:45
  Agenda, and we have gone to Spotify mainly and said,
• 1:06:51
  hey, who's doing this? And then we send them a
• 1:06:54
  friendly note, say, you can't use this. And here's why
• 1:06:57
  I did that to Laura Logan. And if they don't
• 1:07:01
  comply, then they get a letter from the lawyer. And
• 1:07:04
  if they don't comply, which you've never had to get
• 1:07:06
  to that stage, then we'll take the small claims court.
• 1:07:11
  But that's – trademark is a real thing. It's real
• 1:07:15
  law. And that's what this is. This is trademark, copyright.
• 1:07:19
  This is illegal. And it's not a code of conduct
• 1:07:22
  thing. It's a suck thing. You need to fix that.
• 1:07:29
  Eric said founder talk. That's the one you called at
• 1:07:33
  me about earlier. Are they blowing it up? They sent
• 1:07:36
  3,000 pod pings in 10 minutes. All with different URLs.
• 1:07:46
  Really? Yes, that's the message I gave you. You hit
• 1:07:50
  me right before I left the show. Okay. It's probably
• 1:07:55
  going into the index. Oh, yeah. The Podping Firehose is
• 1:07:59
  being flooded with test feeds for a show called Founder
• 1:08:02
  Talk, each with a different generated address, e2e-blah-blah-blah-foundertalk.podigy.io local. And
• 1:08:11
  in today's pings alone, founder talk dot podigy dot local
• 1:08:16
  shows up over 3000 times. The IO local version over
• 1:08:20
  1300 times plus hundreds of unique E2E variants. Yes. Podigy.io
• 1:08:29
  local. The heck is it? What even is that? I
• 1:08:33
  don't know. That looks like that. That's I.O. local is
• 1:08:39
  not a. That's not a valid TLD, is it? I
• 1:08:44
  don't know. Dot local. It probably is. No, .io local.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't have to be valid
• 1:08:52
  to spam. Well, they're not going to end up in
• 1:08:56
  the index because it doesn't pass the valid feed check
• 1:08:58
  on the ingestion, but it's hosing up. I've got to
• 1:09:02
  find out who's doing that. I mean, Podigy has a
• 1:09:05
  PodPing token, I think. But it's either them with –
• 1:09:11
  their system has gone horribly wrong or somebody being a
• 1:09:16
  goofball. I'll find out. Uh, let's see. Is that about
• 1:09:22
  it? Oh, um... Some interesting stuff came out. So it's
• 1:09:27
  like it's not just Spreaker. Out of the 25,000 copies,
• 1:09:31
  roughly about 9,000 of those were Spreaker. But Anchor and
• 1:09:34
  Spotify, Red Circle, iVoox, SoundCloud, basically all the free hosts
• 1:09:40
  are suffering from this same issue. Yeah. There's also a
• 1:09:45
  few on Substack, Acast, Captivate. One thing that came out
• 1:09:51
  of that 13,500 host migrations, that's a pretty interesting thing.
• 1:09:59
  Look.
• 1:10:00
  into the data because the top, the top moves like
• 1:10:04
  were from most of the shows moved from anchor to
• 1:10:08
  Spreaker. The next most popular move was from anchor to
• 1:10:12
  buzzsprout. Hmm. And the third most popular was from Spreaker
• 1:10:16
  back to Anchor. So people are just bouncing around for
• 1:10:20
  free hosts mostly except the Anchor to Buzzsprout issue. But
• 1:10:25
  anyway, so I just validated against – I did a
• 1:10:29
  sanity check. So against PodNews' data to just make sure,
• 1:10:36
  okay, are we at least capturing what James found from
• 1:10:41
  his raw look, and then we can parse out of
• 1:10:45
  that what may have been generic titles or something just
• 1:10:50
  to make the data cleaner? But what I'm hoping that
• 1:10:55
  this will do is – I hope hosting companies... And...
• 1:11:05
  Um... I hope hosting companies, creators, agencies, companies, I hope
• 1:11:17
  people will begin to automate the daily look at this
• 1:11:22
  thing. mostly hosting companies. To get an early warning that
• 1:11:29
  somebody has signed up for an account on your service
• 1:11:33
  and they may be doing it in a way that
• 1:11:36
  is cloning somebody else's feed. And if you can catch
• 1:11:41
  that or if you as a hosting company with a
• 1:11:43
  free tier, if you can catch that early, you can
• 1:11:45
  save yourself some embarrassment and some unfortunate things. PR and
• 1:11:49
  all those other things and save the podcasters from being
• 1:11:55
  super angry and taking you to small claims court. And
• 1:11:58
  it is now part of the podcast index robot dot
• 1:12:01
  com MCP. Salty crayon, detective potty is on the case.
• 1:12:08
  It is, except we call it copycat. Oh, copycat. Copycat.
• 1:12:14
  So is it on the documentation now too? Yes. Yes.
• 1:12:20
  It's all updated. I wrote that while we were speaking.
• 1:12:23
  Good grief. Wait, I got to see copycat. Well, I
• 1:12:30
  don't see copycat on my podcast in dash robot.com. Let
• 1:12:33
  me see. Oh, Podcast Robot is restarting after an error.
• 1:12:36
  Oh, no. Oh, there it is. It's good. It's down.
• 1:12:39
  It's good. It's good. It's good. Robot down. Is this
• 1:12:43
  the real feed? When several feeds carry the same show,
• 1:12:47
  it tells you which one is the podcast index copycat
• 1:12:50
  detector thinks is the original, whether the others are the
• 1:12:52
  owner's mirrors, a move to a new host, or copies
• 1:12:54
  re-hosted by someone else. Podcasters should ask, is anyone copying
• 1:12:58
  my show? Slap it behind at 402. There it is.
• 1:13:04
  Stick an X-402 on it. There it is. That solves
• 1:13:06
  everything, by the way. That solves everything. So boom shakalaka.
• 1:13:12
  I appreciate James doing that work. I think it was
• 1:13:18
  Probably tedious for him and go, you know. Now, he
• 1:13:22
  extrapolated 99,736 feeds and there's only 1,700 that are true
• 1:13:28
  copycats? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He found
• 1:13:31
  1,700. I had it written down somewhere. Let's see. I
• 1:13:38
  think it was... Seven... Yeah, 1778 is what he found,
• 1:13:44
  and about – roughly 1,000 of those seem to be
• 1:13:48
  pretty legitimate copies. When I say legitimate, I don't mean
• 1:13:52
  like morally. I just mean like there's – it's pretty
• 1:13:56
  obvious they're cloning popular shows. Right. Then the other 778,
• 1:14:04
  roughly, they look like less – to me, they look
• 1:14:08
  less reliable. Like they may just be a lot of
• 1:14:13
  – the titles are generic, and so they just happen
• 1:14:17
  to land. But maybe that's not the case. Maybe he's
• 1:14:21
  got – A little bit more data on it than
• 1:14:24
  I do, but I feel at least half – more
• 1:14:26
  than half of the ones he found, probably 60 percent
• 1:14:30
  of the ones he found seem to be legitimate copies
• 1:14:33
  of real feeds that have – I don't know how
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  many of those are trying to be monetized, but obviously
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  some are. I mean Crime Junkie is a perfect example.
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  That one's clearly a hijack, a feed hijack. Yeah. So,
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  yeah, just we, you know, we see everything. So it
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  makes sense for us to be the... the bullhorn on
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  this. And this is a perfect example of Like all
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  the signals to find these things are there. You just
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  have to become aware of them and dig them out
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  and dig them out of the data. And I don't
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  want to become the podcast statistics person. We don't want
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  to do that. That's not really the point. But if
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  something becomes a big deal – It does make sense
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  for us to just like put up an easy way
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  to do that because it's quicker for us to just.
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  We can do a few things on our database. It's
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  a five-minute cron job once a day, and it just
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  solves a problem so people don't have to go and
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  pound out this data and spend half a day working
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  with it to find these things. I'm glad to do
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  it. Glad to do it. And that should be… with
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  some value to the podcast index. Yeah. 402. I'm telling
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  you, 402 in our future. We got some boostagrams coming
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  in. for which I have a hard out. Can you
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  tell? I have a hard out. I do. I can
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  see you pivoting. I got a hard out. Triple seven
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  from Sam over there. True fans. He is listening with
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  half the bottle is empty. The banks are preventing AI
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  agents because the banks have been made liable for every
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  transaction and not every user agent is registered. We have
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  a similar problem with vibe-coded apps hitting our database with
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  no user agent. So we're going to block anything we
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  don't know about. We'll allow Apple, Spotify, Overcast, etc. And
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  block all others using our WAF. They got a WAF.
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  Sweet. A WAF. That's the right way to do it.
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  I agree. Yeah, WAF it up. Curio Caster, 3,333 sats
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  from Eric PP. Thank you very much. 333 sats from
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  Salty Crayon. Testing prayers, one, two, three. And I hit
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  the delimiter. Not a lot of boostograms today. Oh, wait,
• 1:17:01
  there's another one. Dreb Scott, 5, 4, 3, 2. Go
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  podcasting. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Dreb. Yes. Oh,
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  let me, you went, it went so fast, I gotta
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  get to my email. Okay, sorry about that. No, you're
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  good. Where, I gotta find my thing here. Where's my
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  thing? Where's your thing? Grab your thing. Get your thing,
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  gotta get, quick, quick, quick, go to the. The thing.
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  The thing. Where's the – oh, meanwhile, I got another
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  boost-agram. Okay. 3333 from Eric PP through Boost Me Bitch.
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  Yeah. See you, Brooklyn. These are PayPals. See, Brooklyn? Go
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  podcasting, $20. Woo, thank you. Thank you, Steve Brooklyn. Scott
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  Auld, $50. Whoa. Thank you, Scott. That's a beautiful donation.
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  I think that's a subscription. I believe it might be.
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  Salty Crayon, $19.16 through PayPal. Thank you, Salty Crayon. Thank
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  you. Appreciate you. Let's see. Eager Associates, $5. Thank you,
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  Eagers. Charles Hicks, $5. Thank you, Charles. Drev Scott, $15.
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  Michael Kemmerer, $5.33. And Randall Black, $5. Thank you, guys.
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  Thank you so much. Where is my Albies? Where's the
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  Albies? Your Albies, you know, your comic book blogger keeps
• 1:18:41
  complaining that your Albies is not performing properly. I've gotten
• 1:18:46
  him properly the last two weeks in a row. Then
• 1:18:49
  what is failing? What split is failing? Something is failing.
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  Oh, it's me. We need to take me out of
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  there because I'm not even running my own note anymore.
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  Because my Ubuntu crapped. Okay. Let me see. Show info.
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  Value. Okay. Is that the stay safe, Sage? Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. Davidgetalby.com? Mm-hmm. Yeah, boot me. Boot me, bitch. You
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  booted, baby. You booted. Podcast Index gets one extra. One
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  for the podcast index. Okay. True fans. We've got some
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  anonymous. 881, 30, 406, 13, 176. All from an anonymous.
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  Oh, 176. That was from an anonymous podcast guru user.
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  Oh. And then we've got a comic strip blogger. 11,111
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  sets. Ooh, thank you. Howdy, Dave and Adam. Please watch
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  a 4K video of my interview with Dvorak's son. Just
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  search for AI Wizard on YouTube. We talk about AI
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  tools, but also about his new podcast that his dad
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  conceived, which is www.party.com.
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  Yo, CSB still stonewalled by Adam Clark Curry despite promises,
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  boo. This gram was $20,000, $15.447 when sent on October
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  30, 2026. So you still get $15 or more despite
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  catastrophic crash of Bitcoin, dot, dot, dot. catastrophic crash it's
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  catastrophic three percent catastrophe i have a question before we
• 1:20:27
  go uh my pp monitor my pp monitor uh keeps
• 1:20:31
  getting oom um And I'm not sure why. I have
• 1:20:36
  the most recent version, but it'll blow up to like
• 1:20:39
  a gigabyte of memory. You're running PP Monitor and not
• 1:20:44
  a pod ping watcher? No, I think that's a good
• 1:20:48
  question. Hold on. I'm running, well, PP Monitor. No, hold
• 1:20:53
  on. So I am... You don't need PP monitor. No,
• 1:20:57
  no, no. I'm CloudWatcher. Where am I? Oh, yeah. Curry
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  Compound. Okay. Yeah, that's your urologist. Yes. So I'm Curry
• 1:21:07
  Compound. I'm running... What release am I running here? 1.0.3
• 1:21:19
  Iroh 1.0.3. And it keeps running out of memory. It'll
• 1:21:26
  bloat up to a gigabyte and then it has to
• 1:21:29
  restart. What is going on? That sounds like an old
• 1:21:34
  release because we solved that. We solved that problem. Everybody's
• 1:21:41
  running on that. You should be on 0.15.0. Hmm... But
• 1:21:50
  I see everyone else running on the same 1.0.3. 1.0.3?
• 1:21:56
  Was that IRO 1.0.3? Oh, yeah. Well, the IRO version
• 1:22:00
  doesn't matter. Oh, hold on. I see. It's 0.15. No,
• 1:22:03
  I'm running on 0.15.0. And you're running Podpain Gossip Watcher,
• 1:22:07
  not the monitor? Yeah. I don't know what I'm running.
• 1:22:13
  PP monitor. What is your friendly name? Curry Compound. Very
• 1:22:20
  friendly. Curry compound 15... How much RAM do you have
• 1:22:30
  available? Oh, I got oodles and oodles. Here, let me
• 1:22:36
  tell you what the issue is. Because it can go
• 1:22:39
  up to, depending on the number of quick connections, I
• 1:22:42
  mean, it can go up to 500 or so. Oh,
• 1:22:46
  no, no. It'll launch? Is it maybe because I'm asking
• 1:22:50
  for too much of the history? Is that possible? Are
• 1:22:56
  you launching it with Archive? Like asking for the archive?
• 1:23:05
  Am I launching it with archive? Are you... Send me
• 1:23:09
  your... I assume you're running a Docker, right? You know
• 1:23:16
  what? I wish I could just sound really good, but
• 1:23:19
  I just had my robot set it up. So I
• 1:23:22
  have no idea what's going on. Oh, Archive is on.
• 1:23:27
  Archive is on. Catch up. It serves catch up to
• 1:23:31
  peers that were offline, catches up itself after a restart,
• 1:23:35
  SSE stream on, whatever that means. So the archive file
• 1:23:39
  is now 1.3 gigabyte, grows with 50 megabytes a day.
• 1:23:44
  Ask your robot what the Docker command is using and
• 1:23:50
  send it to me so I can see what it's
• 1:23:52
  running. Give me the Docker command you're using. You're doing
• 1:23:56
  voice? Yeah. Oh, I've been doing voice on Omarchi since
• 1:24:01
  I installed it. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Typing is
• 1:24:06
  for pussies. I'm still typing. I've clearly got effeminacy issues.
• 1:24:16
  Oh, no. Here, I'm going to send you this whole
• 1:24:18
  thing. Here we go. No, why would you type, man?
• 1:24:22
  No way. No way. Yikes. Okay. Okay. pod ping node
• 1:24:27
  curry combat yikes he says okay trusted publishers what am
• 1:24:34
  I doing wrong Dave what am I doing wrong well
• 1:24:36
  that's the gossip watcher okay so it's not running it
• 1:24:41
  from docker it's just running it straight Is that wrong?
• 1:24:48
  No, no, that's not wrong. Did it set up a
• 1:24:49
  system D? Is that what it did? Uh... I don't
• 1:24:55
  know. I'm asking you questions you do not know the
• 1:24:58
  answer to. I would turn off SSE. Did you use
• 1:25:03
  a system, D? No, just ask it. Well, you've got
• 1:25:06
  a hard memory limit of 900 in there. Yes, that's
• 1:25:11
  it. Did you put that in there? No, of course.
• 1:25:14
  I didn't do anything. I just said, I want to
• 1:25:16
  be part of this community. How much memory do you
• 1:25:20
  have available? Oh, I have like 20 gigs. Okay, bump
• 1:25:26
  that – just take the hard memory limit out. That
• 1:25:30
  line that says pod ping mem hard. You don't want
• 1:25:38
  it to be hard. You want it to be soft.
• 1:25:41
  I have memory max 1G. But that's a lot of
• 1:25:45
  memory. Yeah, but take – okay, take the thing that
• 1:25:50
  – the settings that say PodPing MemSoft MB and PodPing
• 1:25:54
  MemHard MB. Just take those out. Take PodPing Soft MB
• 1:25:58
  and PodPing Hard MB out. Okay. This is – The
• 1:26:03
  reason is because it's supposed to auto adjust those things
• 1:26:07
  on the fly. You would think so. I remove both
• 1:26:09
  lines. They only take effect at a restart. So I
• 1:26:11
  restart Node, which is about 10 seconds offline. Then I
• 1:26:15
  check memory limits. The Node's watchdog picks for itself without
• 1:26:18
  them. Okay, good. Your robot sounds like CSB. Okay. It
• 1:26:26
  wasn't clear. What I said was, I want to be
• 1:26:30
  a good citizen of this community, and I want to
• 1:26:33
  help as much as I can. Stick it in the
• 1:26:35
  bathroom. Okay. The service's own memory cap is two gigs.
• 1:26:40
  Okay. That seems reasonable. It won't. It will not use
• 1:26:47
  – it will not go crazy and use all your
• 1:26:49
  memory. It will just – it will cap itself –
• 1:26:54
  At a reasonable amount, and then just it'll it'll internally
• 1:26:59
  restart the arrow actor if necessary to stay below that
• 1:27:04
  limit. So it's taken those memory limits should not be
• 1:27:08
  in there. OK. All right. False. All right. I have
• 1:27:15
  no idea. I know what it does, but this is
• 1:27:17
  what you have to live with now. Imagine your customer
• 1:27:21
  support. And I'm like, hold on a second. Let me
• 1:27:24
  tell you what I did. Okay. Yeah, like what did
• 1:27:27
  you type? I didn't type anything. I'm being honest with
• 1:27:32
  you. I didn't do anything. Docker? I don't know. Docker?
• 1:27:35
  Docker of the Bay? I mean, I don't know what
• 1:27:37
  I'm doing over here. This is a strange new world.
• 1:27:43
  I once interviewed Docker. Does that count? I'm not sure.
• 1:27:46
  Oh, I love Dokken. Yeah, they were good. Dream Warrior?
• 1:27:50
  Yes. Yes. Who was the lead singer of Dokken? I
• 1:27:53
  forget who that was. Oh, why did you have to
• 1:27:55
  do this to me? I don't. Was Vinnie Vincent their
• 1:27:59
  guitar player? That sounds right. Or was he the guitar
• 1:28:03
  player for Alice Cooper? No, that was Steve Stevens. Steve
• 1:28:06
  Stevens, yeah. Dokken... Guitar player. From now on, every docker
• 1:28:15
  is now just going to be called Dockin'. I've got
• 1:28:17
  a Dockin' server. What? George Lynch. That's it. George Lynch.
• 1:28:20
  Oh, yes. Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. Yeah, Mr.
• 1:28:23
  Scary. I love it. Red Beach. Even Red Beach. No.
• 1:28:30
  Red Beach? No. He was White Lion, their guitar player.
• 1:28:38
  I raced against those guys. Oh, really? Yeah, it was
• 1:28:42
  the MTV celebrity. No, Winger. He was the guitarist for
• 1:28:47
  Winger, my bad. Kip Winger. Kip Winger, yeah. Yeah. No,
• 1:28:51
  who was the singer for White Lion? Those guys were
• 1:28:55
  drug addicts, man. Oh, from what I can remember, I
• 1:29:00
  hope I hope I'm remembering correctly, but I think they're
• 1:29:03
  like, yeah, I think they're pretty hardcore. Mike Tramp. Yes,
• 1:29:07
  that sounds right. Mike Tramp. Yeah, we did the MTV
• 1:29:10
  Celebrity Chevrolet Geo race sponsored in Denver. Denver Street Circuit,
• 1:29:19
  which was probably the only time IndyCar raced there. Okay.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, it was classic. Was White Lion, did they do,
• 1:29:30
  what was their hit? They did Wait? Wait, wait. Sounds
• 1:29:35
  about right. No, I sound just like him, right? It
• 1:29:38
  sounds about right. Yes, Steve Stevens was Billy Idol's guitarist.
• 1:29:42
  You're right. Oh, Billy. Oh, I thought he was Alice
• 1:29:45
  Cooper. Wait, didn't Steve Stevens also do something for Michael
• 1:29:49
  Jackson at one point? I know Eddie Van Halen did.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, he did. Beat it? Beat it, yeah. Beat it.
• 1:29:57
  Beat it. I never had
• 1:29:59
  to love you. Okay. Now I only want to say...
• 1:30:03
  Before we go now. Okay. I'm going to have to
• 1:30:05
  hear. White Lion, Wait. Okay. We have to see. We've
• 1:30:09
  got to get this right. Yeah. Winger was a great
• 1:30:13
  band. I have... I still have a platinum and a
• 1:30:17
  gold record from Winger. Wait. Wait. Yeah, we used to
• 1:30:22
  hang out. Kip Winger. He was a cool dude. He
• 1:30:27
  kept on making music, and he's like, he just keeps
• 1:30:30
  making, he's making music today. Yeah, I think he's. Like
• 1:30:34
  solo. Oh, is he doing solo stuff? I didn't know
• 1:30:36
  that. He was a ballet dancer. No way. Yeah. The
• 1:30:43
  lyrics to some of these songs from glam metal bands
• 1:30:46
  in the 80s do not hold up well. Hey, I
• 1:30:49
  got a heart out. That's right. Thank you very much
• 1:30:52
  for reminding me, Dreb. And I'm one minute and ten
• 1:30:54
  seconds past my heart out. All right. Get out. Get
• 1:30:58
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