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L60 The Sqwatchers · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to this week's show. We had on Jim
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  Speaker 1: Peters and Joe Jenkins from The Squatchers. They are a
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  Speaker 1: small just beginning, well not beginning to have been doing
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  Speaker 1: it for twelve years, but they're just beginning to kind
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  Speaker 1: of come forward with their with some of their evidence
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  Speaker 1: of sasquatch. And it was really really good episode. It's
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  Speaker 1: very visual. It's probably best to go over to YouTube
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  Speaker 1: and check it out, but if you want to, you
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  Speaker 1: can listen to this one as well, just giving you
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  Speaker 1: a heads up. There's a lot of pictures that they had.
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  Speaker 1: They had one picture that is so incredible. It just
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  Speaker 1: looks like literally like a gorilla on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of a cowfield behind the fence, behind the fence line there,
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  Speaker 1: and they accidentally showed it to a primatologist and they
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  Speaker 1: were like, yeah, this is a gorilla, dude. And then
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  Speaker 1: they give it to this person and this person has
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  Speaker 1: connections with other primatologists and they're like, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: a this is a gorilla. So if you guys, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, if you want to see the pictures, we
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  Speaker 1: went through a ton of evidence. I think some of
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  Speaker 1: us audible too, and uh, it's just it was just
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  Speaker 1: so good. It was very unexpected. I reached out to
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  Speaker 1: these gentlemen and they were so grateful to come on
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  Speaker 1: and share all their experiences and all their all their data,
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  Speaker 1: all their all their you know, all the reporting that
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Uh. This is all takes place
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  Speaker 1: in southern Illinois, and it's just it's just an incredible show.
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  Speaker 1: It was just, like I said, very unexpected, one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite shows that I've done. And thank you so much, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh, you know, retired or I think
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  Speaker 1: I think you might even still be active or at
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  Speaker 1: least on a limited basis, uh, police officer. And they're
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  Speaker 1: just avid out doorsmen who have become now you know, squatchers.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they they go out in the woods and
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  Speaker 1: they they they do some research in these things. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and it's pretty incredible what they're running across. And their
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  Speaker 1: evidence leaves more questions than it does any answers, which
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  Speaker 1: is fine. That's, you know, what the show is all about.
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  Speaker 1: Jim and Joe from Squatchers.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having us.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on guys. So you guys, are you
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  Speaker 1: told me into Green new You're in southern Illinois. That's
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  Speaker 1: like I was telling you. That's a that's a new
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  Speaker 1: one for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we we're in the middle of the Shawnee National
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  Speaker 2: Forest here in southern Illinois. It's all what two thousand
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  Speaker 2: acres for service.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're right the very very part southern part of Illinois.
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  Speaker 4: And actually, if you don't know, Illinois is has been
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  Speaker 4: ranked as high as number five is for for sightings.
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  Speaker 1: And wow here in this area, so you would think
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  Speaker 1: something more like along the lines of like you know Oregon, w.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're ahead of us, but we're number five.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That's incredible. Okay for to introduce yourself, guys, tell
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit about yourself, and you know where
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  Speaker 1: we can find you.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Joe Jenkins. I'm sixty seven years old.
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  Speaker 2: I have lived down here since nineteen seventy four. I've
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  Speaker 2: worked in law enforcement for the last forty years, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty much semi retired. But I used to hear
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  Speaker 2: people deputies tell stories and stuff, you know, and just
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  Speaker 2: odd things. I'm like, yeah, that's tales or making up tales. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: i'd hear from somebody else. Well, I started checking with
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  Speaker 2: them and they started telling me the stories. Still didn't
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  Speaker 2: believe at the time until we had our experience. And
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  Speaker 2: when we had our experience, that took us down the road.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine I can imagine. So how long have
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  Speaker 1: you been guys doing this? I mean, okay, so you're retired.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, thank you so much for doing what
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  Speaker 1: you do, man, because I think, especially nowadays with all
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  Speaker 1: the crazy thing is going on in the world that
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement, you know, there's always going to be bad eggs,
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  Speaker 1: There's always going to be bad people. But most of
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  Speaker 1: the time, you guys have a horrific job to do.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to thank you as a well I
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  Speaker 1: haven't been living in America for twenty years, but as
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  Speaker 1: a citizen of the United States, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for what you do. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So my name is Jim Peters and me and Joe
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  Speaker 4: have been friends since second grade.
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  Speaker 3: Believe it or not.
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  Speaker 4: And he moved down here, like you said, in seventy
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  Speaker 4: four and to southern Illinois, and I still lived in
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  Speaker 4: central Illinois and I'd come down on the.
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  Speaker 3: Weekends and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And later in our fifties, we started to do this
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  Speaker 4: river to river trail, which is part of the American
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  Speaker 4: Discovery Trail, which goes across the whole United States. So
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  Speaker 4: we started just walking from thought we'd go, oh, let's
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  Speaker 4: go from Ohio to the Mississippi and it's all across woods. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, we never made it the
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  Speaker 4: whole way, but we this got in a way. Yeah
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  Speaker 4: because okay, that's a good reason. Yes it is. So
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  Speaker 4: we had an experience. I guess we could just jump
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  Speaker 4: right into that. We'll we'll tell you how this started.
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  Speaker 4: Like we were just backpacking it as we always did.
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  Speaker 4: And and you know, when you go in the woods,
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  Speaker 4: you know, most of the time, it's pretty comfortable, it relaxing,
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  Speaker 4: it's enjoyable. And we found a spot that we really
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  Speaker 4: like to camp at and it's up on top of
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  Speaker 4: a bluff and uh you can when you're up on
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  Speaker 4: that bluff you can see like into three different counties
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  Speaker 4: and across into Kentucky. So it's pretty it's pretty high
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  Speaker 4: up and you're seeing across all the trees and everything.
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  Speaker 4: And we were up there that night and everything was
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  Speaker 4: going really pretty normal. Normal, Yeah, pretty normal, And we
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  Speaker 4: had we had taken a friend with us that time,
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  Speaker 4: and uh so we all we all, uh we sleep
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  Speaker 4: in hammocks. So everybody has thrown hammock right, we're too
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  Speaker 4: old to sleep on the ground anymore, too hard on us.
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  Speaker 4: So we got hammocks, right, and uh they got the
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  Speaker 4: bug netting on them and everything and and uh so,
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  Speaker 4: uh we set those all.
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  Speaker 3: Up and had a campfire.
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  Speaker 4: This was in October, and uh it was chilly that night,
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  Speaker 4: and we had a reflector hung up on the fire
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  Speaker 4: to kind of kick back some heat to us.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, the friend of ours, he was standing out
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  Speaker 3: on the bluff. This was already dark.
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  Speaker 4: Fire's going and he's standing out on the edge of
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  Speaker 4: the bluff just kind of standing there looking at stars
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  Speaker 4: because it was just a wide open sky and the
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  Speaker 4: stars were unbelievable because there's no light there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: no city line. Yeah, and uh he said, he starts yelling, come.
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  Speaker 3: Over this way, come over here.
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  Speaker 4: And I go over there, and I don't know, Joe
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  Speaker 4: didn't go for some reason. He I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: you were doing, but he didn't go. I ran over there,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, as I'm standing there on the bluff with
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  Speaker 4: our friend, there's a light coming at us, okay, and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty good size light.
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  Speaker 4: At first, my first thought was it was a helicopter
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  Speaker 4: because in the Shawnee National Forests, of people get lost, right,
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  Speaker 4: they'll send helicopters and they put the search lights out
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  Speaker 4: and are looking for people who are are lost.
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  Speaker 3: And Joe used to do that a lot.
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  Speaker 4: He'd go for search for people when he was in
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  Speaker 4: charge of ESDA, so the emergency services thing. So that's
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  Speaker 4: what I thought. I thought it was a helicopter coming
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  Speaker 4: at us. But as it got closer, I realized there's
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  Speaker 4: no sound. There's no you'd hear that thing coming and
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  Speaker 4: there was no sound at all. And so this this
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  Speaker 4: ball of light just keeps coming right at us, and
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  Speaker 4: as it got to us, stopped right above us. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I mean it just paused there and you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're looking up, me and me and my friend there,
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  Speaker 4: and it shined a light down on us that just
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  Speaker 4: came right down on us.
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  Speaker 3: And uh so.
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  Speaker 4: By the time you realize the lights on you, it
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  Speaker 4: was went right back up and uh the ball of
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  Speaker 4: light just started moving again on past us.
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  Speaker 3: No sound, no nothing. So I don't know if we
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  Speaker 3: got scanned or what, but that sounds.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds more like a UFO type thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's what it was. Honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I think that was a UFO. Now, don't don't get confessed.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people take the UFO bigfoot thing.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not necessarily making that connection because I don't
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  Speaker 4: because I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, which is perfectly fine. I don't think there's anything
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  Speaker 1: wrong with not knowing. By the way, thank you, thank
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  Speaker 1: So make sure I say that, thank you so very
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she is a survivor of September eleventh in New York.
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  Speaker 3: That's all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So after that happened, we all kind of later on
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  Speaker 4: in the evening, I guess it was what about midnight
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  Speaker 4: or so they climbed.
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  Speaker 2: We all climbed our hammocks. Yeah, went to sleep about
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  Speaker 2: four o'clock, four thirty. My cousin got up and was
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  Speaker 2: stoking up the fire because it was pretty cold that
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  Speaker 2: night and he had we had fired kind of burned out.
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  Speaker 3: He just got up and stoken it up.
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  Speaker 2: Jim hears him. He gets out of his hammock and
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  Speaker 2: they start talking. Well that wakes me up, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting there listening to him talk. I thought, well, I'll
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  Speaker 2: get up too, So I get up and we're all
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  Speaker 2: standing around the fire and we heard this howl that
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  Speaker 2: was unbelievable and it literally went with would go went
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  Speaker 2: through your chest.
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  Speaker 3: You could feel it.
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  Speaker 2: We're standing there and we can all feel our chest
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  Speaker 2: by reverberating from this how and it was just, uh,
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  Speaker 2: nothing we'd ever heard before.
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  Speaker 3: It was. It was so crazy, And.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine I'd imagine I'd imagine being a law and
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  Speaker 1: enforcement officer, you know, like your your intennas go up, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you're normally dealing with, you know, with people,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, people can be very you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very sweet, very random, and also you know, mean or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And at the same time, but you kind of know
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  Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. And when you're out in the
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  Speaker 1: woods with your buddies and then something like this happens,
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  Speaker 1: especially with the light and now this how I mean this,
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  Speaker 1: this is completely out of your purview of like, you know, training.
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely knew that it was not an animal, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And I knew it wasn't a human. I knew that
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  Speaker 2: because nothing is that loud. And it was coming from
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  Speaker 2: across the valley on the other hills side, and you
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  Speaker 2: could tell the direction it was coming from.
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  Speaker 3: But there was absolutely just the the volume. It was
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  Speaker 3: just amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And I when it ended, I asked Jim, I said,
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  Speaker 2: what was that? He said, I can tell you, but
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  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to believe me, and we're not
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  Speaker 2: looking for big foot. And I thought, you know, I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: what was it? He said, well, I've heard that on TV,
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  Speaker 2: he said, he said, I think it.
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  Speaker 3: Was a bigfoot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, that it didn't shock
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  Speaker 2: me because I knew that.
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  Speaker 1: Was not.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't an animal, uh that we have around here.
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  Speaker 2: It's that loud, and it wasn't a human. I've heard
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  Speaker 2: humans all through those woods.
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  Speaker 3: It was so loud.
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  Speaker 4: You can't we can't even begin to tell you how
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  Speaker 4: loud it was. It was just it just made you
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  Speaker 4: feel really little, you know, when you right, Yeah, because.
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  Speaker 1: It's so big. And if you had to guess how
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  Speaker 1: far away would you say it.
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  Speaker 4: Was, well as a crow flies on a quarter mile, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: about a quarter mile, because then we would we were
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  Speaker 4: on one ridge and then there's a valley, and then
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  Speaker 4: it was coming from the other ridge.
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  Speaker 1: I was okay. I had to think of I had
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  Speaker 1: to think of a drag racing, a drag racing thing,
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  Speaker 1: and then I went, okay, you know nhr and I
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  Speaker 1: was like a quarter mile. Okay, it's a pretty decent distance.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, when something's that loud, because
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  Speaker 1: i've heard, you know, you guys have actually sent me
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  Speaker 1: some uh some pictures of stuff that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go through when I've heard it. When I heard, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's the I'm sure you weren't recording
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  Speaker 1: that one. You know, you just started out, but you
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  Speaker 1: hear it. And sometimes it's like between two animals, like
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: sometimes like a lion and like a bear and something else,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and it kind of starts as one and changes us another.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of different things.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: This one was a long drawn out whoop, but it
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: was so long it almost, to be honest, with a siren.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Almost sounded like a siren the way it was, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: going up like that, and I was just looking to
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: see if I had it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: But I don't I.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Know which one you're talking about. It sounds like an
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: air siren, like I like a tornado siren, but well,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that an air siren? At the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: end it goes, it does a weird thing and you're like, no,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that wasn't that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's verb when that happened.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: After I said that to Jim, we heard a response
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: coming from about two miles.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: North of that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: It answered it. And it wasn't that longer drawn out.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: It was more faded, you know, but it was definitely,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: you know, in response to that. And so we're all
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: sitting there just really trying to figure out, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: what will happen, because Bigfoot really wasn't part of our
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: worldview at that time, you know, we weren't even thinking Bigfoot.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, you have an experience
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: like that and it kind of just, you know, just
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: turns your whole world around. And so we were sitting
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: there kind of dumbfounded, still trying to figure out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: What was going on.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: We sat down on the edge of the bluff and
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: though the three of us we just sat there and
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: we were not really even talking, it was just listening still,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: and we heard this gibberish okay, coming from below us.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Now we were about what one hundred and fifty feet
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: feet two hundred feet from the from the trail in
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: the in the bottom of the valley, well above all
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the tree line.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you couldn't see.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: You couldn't see down in there, and it's dark anyway,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: So I mean, you got trees you're looking.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: You have to look through the trees. But you could
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: hear this gibberish. You could hear this moving. Yeah, that
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: was moving, but you could hear them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: It was like a male voice and a female voice
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, you could kind of tell that
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: it was one was lower, one was hoigher, but it
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: wasn't speaking anything you ever heard or I ever heard.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So kind of like Ron mooreheads, like samurai chatter.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Not nearly as good, but I mean that is like
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the ultimate. But this one was definitely gibberish that was
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: coming from below us.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And it was like a conversation, honestly, it was you.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Just sound like a conversation that's just out of your hearing,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: where you can tell somebody's talking, but you can't tell
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: what they're saying. And we're sitting on the bluff and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: we can tell that it's coming, you know, it's coming down.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's walking underneath us, and it's going on and it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: heading to the north towards where that response was. Okay,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and there's only one trail that comes down that hill
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: where that valley was, and it goes right where we
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: were camping on So you can either turn and go
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: up where we were on top of the bluff or
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: go straight and head north to the And that's what
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it was doing.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Was so like when this happens to you, guys, like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you know, your your guys are in your fifties at
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: this at this point, and like you know, you've you've
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you've seen the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, the famous one,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, you know, you've you kind of know
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's in the purview of your you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of your reality. Like what does it do to you, like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, emotionally and mentally, you know, being a men,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, men in their middle ages there and all
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, now there's this thing and what hey,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Darren's here finally buddy.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll tell you the weird the weirdest part of
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: the night. Getting to your point is that after the chatter,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: after we heard this gibberish, we all get up and
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: climbing our hammocks and went to sleep.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: That's a fact.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And as a law enforcement officer that I still say
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that was to me that was the craziest thing that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: happened that night because.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: We heard the how we heard this, how that changed
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: in our lives. It was so loud and so big
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: and so awesome. And then we hear this gibberish and
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: we all get up and go back to sleep. Everybody
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: crawls in their hammocks and and go back to sleep.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Was there any talking, Was there any like discussion about
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: what was going on? No?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, And that was not really the next morning
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: when we woke up.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Either, that's good, that's good detective work. I'm impressed.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: We had talked to some other researchers about this because
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: it really bothered us.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Why that's not uncommon from experiencers that they kind of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: like they kind of blank out. Okay, thank you, Pam.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Why didn't we do something? And uh. The other researcher
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that he's pretty well known, he basically told us, he said,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: when you experienced something like that for the first time,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: all your mind wants to do is get back to normal.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: It Kate rationalized, what process, what you just went through,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: and your mind just wants to get back to normal.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And I can imagine, I can imagine.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: And so crawling in and going back to sleep.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Was.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Getting back to normal. I guess we didn't think of
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: it that way at the time.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: We were I don't even know what we were thinking
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: at the time. It was just so out there for us.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: But it did change our lives. I gotta say that
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: right now. So we're not the type of people that
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: are going to just go home and then let that go, right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Right, we started going, we started Bigfoot hadn't been.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: In our in our mind at that time.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Jim mentioned I saw it on TV and it made
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: sense to me that that was it. But we'd never
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: hurt chatter. We didn't know what chatter was, you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: we didn't. It wasn't until we started learning stuff off
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the internet and watching investigators and trying to get as
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: much information we could that we realized. Then we took
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a piece together what we've been through that night on
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the bluff, right, And so that was twelve years ago,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and that stopped us from We still hike, but now
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: we do it for a different reason.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: We don't go as far because we've.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Got well, it's still good. I mean either way, Okay,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you're going out there and you're you're trying to, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: trying to help because there's plenty of evidence. Yeah, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I was talking to you, just play evidence. I mean,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if the Patison Gimlin film isn't enough for you, then okay,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you know, so be it. But you get the footprints,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you got the hair, you got the DNA, you got
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the pictures, you got the audio, and it's still never enough.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But I just think it's really cool, you know, twelve
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: years ago. So you guys are in your sixties now
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, the hell with it. We're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: gonna go out the woods anyway. Yeah, we're gonna and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna be We're gonna be uh, you know, healthy.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, we're gonna look for this unknown.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever you guys think it is. We'll get into that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: in a minute. I suppose I think it's I think
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty cool either way, guys.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: So what we started doing was we bought little like
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Panasonic handheld recorders voice recorders. They're about that big, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and get them for like thirty bucks on Amazon. We
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: bought some of those, and honestly, I just started going
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: out and taping them to trees, especially if we couldn't camp,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: if we were going to go camp, we'd put them
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: out on the trail before we get to our campsite,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: you know, pick them up on the morning in our
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: way out. But if we're not camping that particular night,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: we can still hop in aside to side, run out
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere, tape them to trees, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: then go back and get them later. Right, So that's
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: what we would do. And we did this for several
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: years where we just were doing audio. We weren't really
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: doing any any kind of looking at for structures or
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: anything like that. We were just capturing audio. And we've
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: caught oh gosh, I bet you we have hundreds and
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: hundreds of audio clips that are whoops, howls, grunts, thumps, knocks,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: tree clacks, whistles, you name it, rock clacks. Yeah, we've
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: got just about everything. And then we have a whole category.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Of stuff that you don't know what it is. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: can't explain it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: We got one that we caught singing kind of like
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: a singing thing going on out in the middle of nowhere, chatter.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I think we sent that to you, and so yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: if you can check that later, you can get it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: But it's called Singing Chatter.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And have Kevin Keeney from the Arizona Four he's going
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to be on next week. Guys, he's going to be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: on the live show. They they they have credible counter
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: See he's just saying he's been doing for a number
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: number of years too. He's a golf war vet and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he goes to the mogiown rim in Arizona and he
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: has tons of action. He says, just put it where
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you're if you want to get the spoken language. That's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: how they're getting it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well we've uh.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: We've done that a few times and we've you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: that's that's kind of the thing.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: A lot of the times.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: When we do our research, we don't necessarily go out
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: and hoop and holler and do tree knocks and stuff
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: like that. We found, at least in our area, it's
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: best if we just kind of sit down, do our thing.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: We might cook some bacon and throw some bacon on
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: a tree, but uh, but for the most part, we
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: want them to come to us, and they do. It
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: seems like we have a lot of activity that comes
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: in to us. You know, just be quiet, do your talking.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: We've had rocks thrown at us, I had one rock
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: hit in my chair.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Kevin says that he said spot
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: on man, because that's he says, that's the best. He says,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: he feels the same way you guys do. A lot
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of people go out there and they'll whack a tree
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: with a stick, or they'll hoop in the woods or
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you know, run the Sarah sounds or something, and he says,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that's not He agrees with you guys. That's that's incredible.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. So yeah, yeah, please.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We found during all that time, we've narrowed down three
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sites in our area that we really do most of
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: our stuff in.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Well, that's where those three areas are where we had
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the most activity.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Like when we put recorders out. It seemed like every
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: time you put a recorder out, you get something right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: So those three areas always were active, and they've been
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: active for the last twelve years and are still active
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: today with audio type stuff and structures and prints and
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: nests and every and that sort of thing. So those
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: areas have been very, very productive for us, and we
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: just now recently started going out and doing investigations. Other
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: people calling us and saying, hey, come check this out.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: For that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got some activity on on my farm and
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: can you come look at it? So where this last year?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So we've started that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: And you do that too. Here we go. Uh and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: did people can reach you to your email? This is
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: your email? Uh, the Squatter's That email is the the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: squatter sq w A T C H E. R s
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. So if you if you're running
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: into these things and there you're in the ill southern
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Illinois area, imagine you probably spread out a little bit.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: You can contact you two gentlemen they see and be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: pretty good at what they do. It's uh, I mean,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but I also imagine you know, like a lot of
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: people think that you're kind of like you're kind of
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: chosen because there's hunters that going into woods their whole
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: lives and don't have things like these. You guys, yeah please.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: We actually had a guy who's well known in the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: bf ro O uh said he's been thirty five years,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: he's been an investigator and he's never seen one. Now,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: he's had experiences and stuff, but never visually seen one.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: We have what we believe is photos of actual kryptids
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and that we've gotten through the years, and that's the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: thing with us, this is all kind of blown for
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: us because we've just been got two old guys out
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: hiking and we just what they said to look for.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We started watching what they said to look for. We
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: started listening to what said listen for, and we started
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: picking that up. Still get to enjoy hiking and camping,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: but we've got so much evidence that this past year
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: before last, nobody knew us. We had some bfr old
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: people that had come into our place. They've camped with us,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: they've seen some of them our stuff, and they're like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you guys got something here. So I started kind of
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: showing pictures and playing some of our sounds. And last
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: year we were doing presentations. We've done presentations with Ron moorehead,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Scott Nelson and Charlie.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Raymond and.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Turn and we've got to be there with them while
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: they were doing theirs. We've got to do our presentations
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and we've got enough stuff.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean that that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's if you'd like to yes, mister Jojo, if you,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: if you, if you'd like to go through? Okay, you
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: said a couple of things. Uh, one of the one
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of my I got to be honest with you. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite piece of Bigfoot evidence. It's the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: one in the calfield. Maybe you can go to the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: story about how that came to pass.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can we pop that up too.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but maybe you can go through the story
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a little. I got it right here. I got to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: do is pop it on.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I was working the sheriff apartment and not work in
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: a small Our county is less than four thousand people,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Harden County, and it's just in the middle of Shawnee
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: National Forest, so everything is back roads, grab a roads
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And uh, I get a call
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: on the radio from dispatch. He said, there's cows out. Okay, well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: cows out on the road. You know, I need to
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: go out there before somebody runs over one. So I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: had the direction they tell me to. They tell me
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: they've notified the owner. He's going to meet me out there.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I get out there, I see four cows across the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: road outside of the pasture and they're just kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: milling around in the road and kind.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Of crossed it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I pulled my squad car up beside where the fence
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: is broken down, and I get out and I start
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: kind of hollering at them going around I'm trying and
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: get them moving, you know, and get them kind of
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: directed back towards the pasture. And I got my car
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: park so it's kind of if the fence is here,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: my car is kind of parked this way, so I'm kind.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Of heading them in. I get them in.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I pulled my squad car up there beside where the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: gates open are broken. I went got some caution tape
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: put around it, and I just got in the car
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and I'm just sitting back looking
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: out my window on my side window, and.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I counted cows.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, there's twenty one twenty something
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: bad in the field, and that way, when the guy
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: pulls up, I can say, hey, there was four out,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you got twenty in here. I don't know if that's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: what you normally had or is there more missing?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't right right, just let.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Him know, and because I never know when I'm gonna
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: get another call. So I probably sat there twenty five
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: minutes just looking out that window and looking to the cows,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: looking to the woods and everything. I see movement in
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: my rearview mirror and it's pickup pulling up behind me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I get out of my car, walk back to him,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and I tell him, you know, twenty cows out. Our
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: four cows out. You got twenty cows in the field.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I get a call on my radio, the radio for me.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I got another call. I turn around to go enter
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the call, to walk back to the squad car. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: when I turn around, I see across the field another
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: cow up there in the woods, at the edge of
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the woods. And I told him, I said, I said,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you've got a cow out up up there across the field.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And he looked up. Ferry said, well, crap. They broke
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the fence over there too. But I kept looking at
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it and I thought, man, that just doesn't look like
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a cow. But it's black. It's up there, you know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, don't look right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And uh. I get in my car.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I answer my radio.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I've got another call, and I start to take off,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and I've seen my phone. I think, that's not that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: not that's not normal, it's not natural. I can't see
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: actually the picture you got showing it closer than what
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I was from the fence.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, could you zoom in on that possibly? Yeah?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I think I can. We can pick up you can
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: pick up another picture that's bigger. Hang on, yeah, like
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: in any ways, So what happened was I took another
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: picture with my I took a picture with my phone
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and zoomed it in as best as I could. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: then after that, I'm driving down the road on my
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: next call and I think to myself, Hey, I can
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I think I can zoom in even more, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm I start zooming in on the picture.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I realized that's not a cow standing there, and.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: As you can see, uh, to me and I look
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: at his picture, it looks like he's kind of sitting there.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: He's got to.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He's got his left arm on the log there, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: you can see his head and then his right shoulder
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: comes down to his elbow, and then he's got his
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: fist across his chest. It looks like his fist is
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: right in the middle of his chest there, and you
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: can see how the uh, it's lighter colored in his
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: chest than it is some of the other places like
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: his arms and stuff. And so I'll get you to
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: another little point of the story. Two years ago, right
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: was two years ago. We were at the Big Muddy
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Monster Festival and we weren't presenting that year. We were
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: just at a table and had our photographs out and
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: people were stopping and looking, and this lady comes up
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: to the table and she said, she's looking through our pictures,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, she just stopped on that
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: picture and she goes, who took that? And Joe says,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I took it, and she says, would you send me
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: that picture? She goes, she is a she was a primatologist. Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: she's a primatologist. And she says, I have seen all
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: kinds of pictures. People have sent me pictures, and she goes,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I have never seen anything that looks exactly like this.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: She said. She said, that's a primeate. She said. She
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: started pointing things out to us on about the chest
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: being lighter for hair.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: And even she went down into the to the belly
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: part of him and the tufts on his shoulders.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: How that on the shoulder, see I kind of points upward.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: She said, that's toughs that hair touts up on a primemate.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: So she took that picture and she said, I'm gonna
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: give it to all my colleagues.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I'm want to send it out, and we said.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Great, and it's an impressive photo. It's one of the best. Seriously.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys live are on the chat
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and tell me if you've seen I mean, of course
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there's a few better somewhere, but this is an impressive photo, Joe.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, wow, she took she We didn't. We thought
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: we'd hear back from her. We didn't hear back from her.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: And then the following year we were presenting they Big
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Muddy Moster Festival had us as presenters. So then we
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: did the presentation and we talked about that particular photo,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and after our presentation, she came up to us and
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: she said, hey.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: How you doing. Yeah, and we were like, oh, hey.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Did you send the photo out? And she said yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: she said, I sent it to all my colleagues right
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: with the caption that says is this she said everyone.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I said, how they answer? She said, every want to
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: answer back with one word gorilla?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Gesu lease, dude, there's no there's no zoos around there,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you guys in the middle of the state forest.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no zoos.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm pretty sure there's no gorillas down in the
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Shawnee National Forest. So it was it's that's that was
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: just really.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Good time, guys. One more time, guys, take a look
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: at that. Just look at that. That is thank you
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: so much for for for for allowing me to present
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: your your findings. Is okay, you guys put up so
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: much on the screen. I'm gonna have to go and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: let's he kicked that from the studio, right, No, not
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the guest. All right, how does that work? Uh added
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: name be? No, Well, they're to stay up there until
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: we're not used for them anymore. I've never had so
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: many I've had I've never had so many photos and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: stuff that that. There's more down to the bottom of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the screen, guys that I'm going to go through and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: hopefully we can add the stories to him as well.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Sure I was.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I was also impressed. Uh not that you're trying to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: impress me, it's just impressive. You know. Well it's a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: it's an odd way of saying, but sure, if you're
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: if you're really interested in this, which I am. Amongst
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: many people who've had you know, we got an amazing
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: thank of him. We've had a lot of you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: people come on, Darren Franks is on here. He's had
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: encountered that it was with a gray one, an all
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: gray one in Alabama. And sometimes you just don't get it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I mean we had a Harley Owens on it. You
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: might know who he is. Uh. He has a picture
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: of one where it's kind of leaning out. But that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: picture there, it almost looks it looks like you could
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: be on a savannah in Africa somewhere, but the trees
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: don't match. Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, that's a
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: crazy picture. Okay, let's talk about the one with the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: with the branch across the this area. How did that
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: one come about?
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: This was on on a property and the private property
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: backs up to Shawnee National Forest and they've got a
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: lot of some acreage there that you know, connects to it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: And uh, I just happened to be outside at the
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: time and I was looking back there scanning the forest
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: and they had just had.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Their woods cleared out.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: They had a guy with a skid steer and one
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: of those attachments on the front that just grinds trees
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: up into nothing, you know, just.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, kind of like a brushog but on a skid steer.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they can put it up on the top
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of the tree. Just that tree has gone in no time.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: And so they had that their forest cleared out of
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: all the underbrush and just left the mature trees. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I was looking out through there, and and all of
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: a sudden, it was like I couldn't see through an area.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I just I'm scanning along and then I should be
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: able to like see a long way through the woods.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: There, and it was just blocked. And uh yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: So as I was standing there, I thought, I'm going
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: to take a picture here, because you it just was
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: blocking my view so much that it was like I
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: snapped this picture. And I'll describe this a little bit.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: The branch is going across his forehead. Right at the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: top of the branch, you can see where his head,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the conical part of his head goes up and down right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: And now then you can also see I put my
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: glasses on him, and you can also see underneath there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: You can almost see the eyes, the right eye socket,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the nose, the mouth of chin. No hair on the face.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: There's no hair on this face. That's the rest of
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the body is covered in hair, and it's uh it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: a blackish gray type hair. But there was no hair
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: on the face at all. And he was just standing
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: there and I'm standing there and we're kind of looking
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: at each other, but nobody's moving. He was froze.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I mean just this was this was in the day.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: This was about three in the afternoon. This was three
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: in the afternoon. And you might be able to see
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it better on uh, you might be able to see
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: it better on this one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Across the middle. Right, across the middle of the screen. Guys,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you can see it looks like a face looking it
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: would be to its right but to our left kind
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: of like. And you you were also telling me that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that there's there's like a noll right there and it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: standing in a.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's it's in a ditch. So you're seeing
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: him from waist up. There's some leaf clutter there right
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: there at the forefront of the picture, and he's got it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see the lighter leaf color there in
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: this picture. And then his right uh, his left arm
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: coming down over here into a hand that's almost right
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: at the edge of the leaf clutter. And he's in
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: a valley that's about four and a half to five
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: feet deep. When we when we measured that branch going
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: across his forehead, we measured from the branch to the
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: bottom of the ditch, and it was eight foot.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. So he's eight and a half eight and a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: half night foot tall.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's probably, honestly, he's probably We went down there.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: We went down there later and I had Joe stand
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: down there holding the bucket up so down bucket.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't reach the limb. Yeah, he couldn't even
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: reach the limb.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I mean he's standing behind it. So I imagine he's
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: even a little bit bigger maybe, so right eight foot.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I just sent a picture. It's a gray scale, look,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: but it's really amazing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, we used it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: We used it boss filter on it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Like the lips yeah for you.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: But you can see his lips protruding there right underneath
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: that branch.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Y. Yeah, I see it. I see it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a mouth there.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: It was kind of a crazy thing, you know, but
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: once again, very very very lucky. And this was an
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: area that had I've got another picture from the same area,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: about twenty five yards from where that picture was taken.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I have another picture which I sent you, and it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: in the same property where they had structure structures, all
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: kinds of audio we've caught there. And the other picture
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I caught on a trail came where people go, hey,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I can't catch them on a trail cam, but I
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: accidentally did.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, we have a question here. When you guys are
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: seeing these things, when you take a picture, you like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Joe got a great picture and Jim got a great picture.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Darren writes, what were your feelings? Did you have any trepidation?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Were you feeling any.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I thought I was taking a picture of a cow.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It was so the picture you got has zoomed in
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: my original picture. Actually it's four hundred and thirty feet
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: four hundre thirty three feet according to Google Earth from
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the road to where the edge of the woods was.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Those cows are halfway across that field, so they were
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: two hundred feet from me when I took a picture,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and then that thing was four hundred and thirty three feet.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Unless you know how big it is.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So at that time it was really small, and I
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: just it was black, and my mind was going, it's
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: got to be a cow, but it doesn't look like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a cow.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Well, look how big it has to be. If this
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: thing is double the distance away it is, it's not
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: even it's not the size of a gorilla. Gorillas what
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe six foot tall, maybe not even that five
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: foot tall. I don't know, I'm not a not a primatologist,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but that that that is way bigger than that. That's wow. Man.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: So Joe Folly wasn't afraid. He was far enough away.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I was only sixty feet from that one when I
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: took that picture. I was sixty feet away. And yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: that's and I believe it or not, that's taken on
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: an iPhone Pro Max twelve and it looks it looks
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: like it's black and white. But it's the interesting thing
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: about that is it was it was a March, a
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: year ago, March when that was taken, and it was
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: misty and rainy and gray out. It had rained all
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: night and it was everything was gray. Everything was great.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: It was just kind of all blending in, okay, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: it was blending in with the background. And I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: know if you've been out hunting before, but a.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Lot of times if.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: A deer is standing still, you can't see it. You know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: it's just not moving. It blends in with the background,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: and then it flips his tail and runs or something
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: that heats you see it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're always looking. What I was taught as a
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: hunter is like the trees go this way, so you're
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: looking for lines this way, right.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: But it's very difficult sometimes to see them if they're
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: not moving, if they're just kind of blending in with
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: the background. And and uh, this one was doing the
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: same thing. It was not moving, standing right there, just
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: blending right in. And was I afraid I didn't stay
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: stay out there very long, to be honest with you,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: But I don't know that I remember feeling fear or excitement.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Really, it's an it's an incredible photo these both. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: mean that one is you know, it's still you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the branch kind of but this, you know, we've driven
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: down the road and the countryside in America and many
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: other places in the world, and you know, you you're
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you're just used to seeing cow fields and then you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: see almost I saw it as a calibider. You take
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: this picture this, I'm still wondering what you guys think
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: on to side, is this one of the best pieces
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of I mean both, of course, but this one, it's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: just that the feeling, the feeling of you know, actually driving,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and you would it's easier for people like because people drive,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: of course, that that would be like a little more
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: connected to their their psyche, whether it's they're subconscious, and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that to me is like where I see it. The
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: clarity of it, Yes, yes, the clarity of these photos
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: are so rare. I agree because a lot of people
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like they get it's fuzzy, like that Mitch Hedberg joke
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: where he says, you know, there's a large focused monster
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in the woods, which is extra scary.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: You know, we'd be the first to tell you that
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: that we understand. You know, photo evidence is you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: iffy at best. Right, if it's too clear, then everybody
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: goes it's fake.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Because it's too there, you go and pot If it's.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Too blurry, then they go, well, why can't you get
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: a good picture with all the technology we have? Right,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: we get it that we we've been asked, why didn't
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: you get closer and take a picture.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Jim.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Jim will tell you that one that he took where
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: it's across his face. He said it looked like a
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: sheet of a four by eight sheet of plywood.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: That's the second time I've heard that. Who else some
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of those told me that looks like a four or
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: five sheet. I think it was I think it was
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Tim more Foot or more Head whatever, whatever, I can't
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: think it was anything got from a high bigger, he said,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: it looks like a big like a four foot eight
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: foot sheet of plywood run through the woods.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim's like, I'm not. I wouldn't get any closer.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I tried to get the best picture I could from
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: where I was at.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know that think's four foot wide
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: and it's eight foot tall, and yeah, you're not.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: You don't want to get closer.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got people all time to a little say
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: water the one you didn't get closer to it?
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm sixty seven for a reason, because
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: he doesn't go bluff charging bigfoot.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, So okay, let's get it to like, okay,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: what is the like the most like you know you're
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: doing this for twelve years now, Like, what is like
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: something that's happened that's that is you know, put the
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: hairs on the back of your neck, you know when
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: you're out in the woods looking for this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Well, that first hol was the one that really did.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: We still every time we hear that how we play it,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: we both get coat chills up and down our arms.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: That's been from twelve years ago.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: For me, it's not that. For me, it's the time
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: we had on the same bluff as a matter of fact,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: on the same bluff where we heard Bigoud our first time.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: We were up there on another time and just camping
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: and everything, and we have done our hammocks all set up.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: And it was still daylight.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: It was still daylight, and all of a sudden, we
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: hear this sound that sounds like like a battery powered drill,
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: you know, just a this type of thing right right.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: It's coming from the woods. So we're we're over here
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: on the bluff sitting up and there's a trail then
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: and then the thick woods on the other side, and
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: it's coming from the woods. So we hear this drill
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: sound and it just keeps happening, and there's no nothing
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: out there in this area at all to make that sound,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: and it's mechanical sounding. It's best I can explain it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: So we thought, well, it's not stopping, let's go over there.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: So we trek into the woods, and when we get
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: right to the spot where it was coming from, it
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: stopped and it started up again about twenty five or
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: thirty feet from us over.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: There, and I'm thinking well, that's weird. Didn't we hear
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: right here?
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: We did.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: So we walk the twenty five thirty feet over and
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: it stops again, and it starts another place, kind of
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: drawing us into the woods, is what I'm thinking. And
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: because it keeps stopping and then restarting, and so as
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: we keep chasing this sound, we decide that we are
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: going to split up. Let's just split up, go different
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: directions and maybe we can figure out triangular.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Kind of where it's at.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Uh huh and uh uh.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Bottom line is we just it just kept going on
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: and on, missing both of us. We could never get
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: to where it was, never pinpoint it never could pinpoint it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: And then as fast as it started, it just stopped.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: So it's so, and all of this happened after the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: light in the sky came over top of you.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: This is no, this was the same bluff, yes, but
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: a different night.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: No. I mean like this whole thing began from the light.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like the beginning of your this this journey
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: later in your life about doing what you're doing with
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: these peoples. Hello, that's my lady, Hi, Sarah a work,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yes exactly, that's that's sorry. I was just popped the y. Yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: that's so like you get this light over your head
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and then this, if I remember right, it was the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: same night, four in the morning, three four in the morning,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: something like that. You hear this, how and ever since
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: then you just keep going down and you're right and
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and this. These pictures you're taking are not when you're
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: actually doing the research. It's happening to you as you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: doing your job, as you're helping somebody, as you're doing
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: something in your daily you know, routine of life, and
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you get these two incredible I'll show them one more
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: time because there are people popping later. These two incredible photos.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: One that Joe took while he's out there doing his
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: duties and then one that Jim took. This is a
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: it's like they're showing themselves to you, just like, Hey,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: we want you guys to see us. I tell you,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: it's incredible.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: What I think it is. I don't drive down the road.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not looking at the tree lines. Ever since we've
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: had our first experience, we're looking for what they say
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: to look for. We're no matter what I'm doing, if
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just out having fun with the grandkids. We found
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: footprints with me and the grandkids walking down the woods.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm always looking and so it is, Jim,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: whatever we're doing in life now, if we hear, if
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: we hear a crunch or we hear a pop, it's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: everything stops and we try and figure out what that
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: was where before that's in the woods just you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: something made name old tree limb broken. But you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I think we're more in tune because we're just constantly
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: got that on our mind if we hear or see
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: something odd.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: You know, the you know, you know, the old thing
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: says like if you just happen to buy a yellow
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Volkswagen and you're driving down the road, now you see
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: everybody having a yellow volts right, and it's the same
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: thing here. Once you see something, Now now we're starting
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: to look and we start to see it, but you
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: have to look to see it, right, So you.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Have to train your eye and train your But they're
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: also like if they are what do you what do
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: you guys think these are? I mean, just like this,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: go ahead and go about that. What do you think
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: they are?
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I think they're flesh and blood and I'm open minded
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: to it could be it could be flesh and blood
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: or it could be interdimensional.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I'm open minded to it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily closed minded to the other part of
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: it because there's it's this is a wide open field,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: and I don't really believe, you know, there's any real experts.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, uh, there's a lot of people
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: that are out here doing it. But until we actually
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: have something, you know, it's hard to hard to know it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: But what I've seen has been footprints, you know, or
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: we've casted a footprint, or we found structures that have
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: been built. To me, that's flesh and blood. I'm not
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: saying it can't be something else, but I but you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't experienced that as much. But he's we have
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: found foot prints, but we've also just found one.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you know what.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Happened to the other ones? Where where did the how
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: cann't you just find one print?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Right? There's some situations where someone will be following one
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: into a you know, following footprints into a field or
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a meadow or something like that, and it just disappeared,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: just stops. Right. This is where I'm I'm I'm more
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone has their opinion, but that's where I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: am too. It's not like it's definitely something where it's physical,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: it manifest it can move stuff, it can howl, they
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: can the drilling noise, who knows, who knows what the
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: hell that is. But uh, they're doing things that are physical.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: But then you do things like uh like you know what,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: what's what's what the what's what? The footprints disappearing? What's
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: what the you know what's what the Yeah, please.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: We've definitely come across that. We found just one perfect
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: fantastic footprint, just one.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy. I don't know how to explain it.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I don't know.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: That's and that's that other side of it is that
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Did it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: You know, vibe out, frequency change? You know, we you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: we did a presentation with Ron moorehead last year last
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: year and.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Ron is big into the the quantum Bigfoot thing, that's
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: the name of his last book. And he's you know, yeah,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: it can vibrate in or vibrate out, or change its
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: frequency to disappear or or reappear. That those those ideas
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: are kind of are out there. But you know, I
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: think as as researchers, we we have to be open
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: minded to anything, right, really, I mean if you start
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: closing yourself off to certain things, then you're probably just
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: you know, you're never gonna see it or never gonna
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you kind of there's there's experience like that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Everyone's appearances is their own experiences. So like when they
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: run across something, well, this is what I see. And
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin Keeney, if you can go back and
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: listen to this episode, he's like, there's like, okay, we
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: all heard mind speak, like you know, what's that? You
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? If this is just a you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: a primate in the woods, how do they do that?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: And he's like, there's four of them, the Arizona four, right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and he episode about a month ago and he goes, Okay,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: everyone hears that reminds me Okay. On the count of three,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: everyone says what they heard one, two, three, and they
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: all say the exact same thing. And it's like or
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: lights will pop off in the woods. Okay. Welcome Northwest
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Native Tracker, Welcome back to the show you were on
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, Telepathy, It's just it's there's a lot
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: of like you know, there's there's a lot of like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: room to play, and I think like you're saying there,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Jim is like, if you just close minded to something,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: or you go down an alleyway, which may happen according
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to your experience, you should be open for everything and
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you might miss something. Just basically reiterating what you said, Yeah,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the way I look at it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: I try to keep an open mind about it because
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: and you were right, going back to what you said earlier,
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm almost convinced that in our experiences, they're finding us.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: You know, we're not necessarily doing anything different. When we
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: go camping, we're quiet and they come in and or
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: they allow us to see them, you know what I mean.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: And that sounds odd, but I think that's kind of
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: what's happening and why we've got four different pictures.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Can you show the thermal one?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Uh? Which one is the four former one, the one
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: with the one with the colors four four two four
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: four four two? Excuse me? Yeah, Okay, that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I took where they Leopold thermal and that was what
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: we call Sight one, and that's where we had the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: single footprint we cast it a footprint from that area.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Found a nest there. We found a nest, a big
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: nest yeah, and so we were looking at this area.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: And I went out one night and I was in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: a golf cart and I was running along the road
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: looking down in the edge of the woods.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, just just.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Nice night, and you know, it was a little cool.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: But I just went out and just kind of run
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: along the edgewoods. I had a headlamp on and I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: had I.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Something caught up the corner of my eye, but it
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: was his two eyes.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: And I turned my headlamp towards the woods down there,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: and those the eyes just man, they lit up. They
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: were huge, just like flashlights. If I turned my head
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: lamp off of it, you could still see them. They
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: were self illuminating. Boy, when you got light around them. Man,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: they really were right and and they're looking at me.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I get I stopped.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I get off the part. I'm trying to take a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: picture of it. I can't get a picture of it. Okay,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: to myself. These eyes are like four foot off the ground.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: You know, they're they're up. I can I can tell
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: where the ground is. It's dark enough, I can still
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: tell where the ground is. I know the area and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: know where the ground is. But I can see these
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: eyes look like they're about four foot up and I'm
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: thinking to myself again, I'm thinking, well, that's going to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: be a cougar. It's just sitting there on its haunches,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and that big eyes. It wasn't eight feet tall.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: It was four feet tall, uh four and a half
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: foot tall. The eyes was just you know, that high
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: off the ground. And they're watching me. I can I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: can see it's watching me, and I'm watching it. I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: can't get a picture with my camera. It won't take
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: it at that dark at night. I got my thermoil
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I had with me, and I see the I see
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the eyes on the screen. So I take this picture. Well,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I just keep looking at it. It keeps looking at me,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and the eyes would just kind of close real slow,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: and they'd open right back up and they closed down,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: you know, once in a while, and it's it's staring
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: at me, and I'm staring at it, and I'm thinking, cougar,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: don't go any closer down there in the woods. Which
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I had to climb to Barbara fence to get across
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the field to where it was at. And I thought, well,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: let me get my spotlight and I turn around. I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: get my spotlight out of the cough cart and turn
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: back around. Gone, it's not there.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: And you can see if you look that picture, you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: can see how wide apart those of those eyes are
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: come those green things, uh, in front of the brown
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: those are trees, and so it's it's back in the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: trees a little bit. But there's a tree on one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: eye and a tree just on the other side of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: the other eye.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I mean those things are wide apart.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: You can see the knuckles on the if you can
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: see that it was squatted down is why it wasn't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: seven feet tall.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: I know that now, Yeah, it was.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: It was squat with its hands on its knees. You
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: can see the you can see the conical head. You
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: can see the shoulders coming off of it. You can
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: see where the.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Hips are and the knees and it's got its fingers
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: on the knees.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, and it's great, great piece of that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was till I put it
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: on my computer, uh, because I had a little two
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: inch screen on my Leopold. I mean it was a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: little small screen, so all I saw was the eyes
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: when I took the picture, and I got on my
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: computer as soon as it popped up my computer.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: I was like, that is not a cougar, and we
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: had we had is it Jesus or Hazy's paying Jesus,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Jesus paying, he's uh breaking the breaking bigfoot.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: And he the one that uh enhanced that photo a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: little bit in color, eyed it for it so that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: you can see what it was.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Jesus there. That's awesome, Thank you so much.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, we got one more photo here. Uh, maybe you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: can tell me a little bit about this one.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So this was on the same property
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: where the branch is going across his face. Okay, And uh,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: this is about twenty five or thirty yards from where
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: that picture was taken. And I had there was a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: couple of structures that were.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: In this area.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: So I what I did was I set a trail
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: cam up pointing that way. You know, everybody says you can't.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Get one, and I.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: Thought the same thing, honestly. But I had left that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: out there months and I'd go out every week and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: check it and nothing. Nothing, nothing, you know, deer or
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: coyote or whatever. And I have the camera or the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: trail cam set to a ten second video instead of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: a picture, And so what happened this particular night was
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: it was a coyote that ran through and set the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: camera off. And so now it's the coyote is gone,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: and I've got nine seconds of looking at woods, right,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: and i see something in the background that's going in
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: between two trees back and forth like this, right, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: it's far enough away that it wouldn't have set the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: trail cam off. The only thing that set the trail
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: cam was it didn't set it off. And so I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: once again, this is another picture that was brought out
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: by Jesus paying and I sent them to him because
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: it was you could see it back there, but you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: really couldn't. And then he sent back and wow, look
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: there you got something standing there. Now, I went out
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: there the next day and stood in the same spot
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: and had the trail cam take a picture of me.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Joe was there, and I'm as tall.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: As that as a juvenile, probably because I'm six foot.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: That was six foot.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: And it's hard to see on this particular picture because
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: you're not I don't have a zoomed end one, but
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: you can actually see there's there's hair that's blown off
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: his chin and face that's blowing. Yeah, yeah, you can
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: get to where you can know it later on and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: just zoom in on it. You'll see the hair doing
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: this and the wind. Yeah, it's just kind of kind
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: of blown across this way and very it's a very
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: uh uh strange picture, kind of odd.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's incredible. There's also you also
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: got to send me a picture that we don't have
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: up as that one of you gentlemen. Friend, I'm not
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: quite sure we're standing there to give a perspective of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: how tall this is.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was me standing probably did we
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: send that to him?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I guess I did you just send it to me
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: over a messenger?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, so, yeah, So I stood there in the same
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: spot and I was as tall as it it was, So,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't It was either a small cryptid
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: of some sort or it was a juvenile or something.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if it was looking for the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: chasing the coyote or what. But like I said, the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: coyote set it off and then it took that picture.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: By the way, this was in February at about eleven
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: thirty at night, and it was about thirty two degrees
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: according to the trail camp.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: We had a Northwest Native tracker on this photo, he calls,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I guess he's a I've loved him to actually talk
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: to this person. Uh, they call it a scuok them
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: our friendly sabe or sabby bigfoot that are natives used
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: to trade with cinnamon body hair. Up to twelve foot tall,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: males average females average ten foot very human like, gray
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: skin and have eye and have eye whites. Interesting. Please
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: come on and contact me, I wrote you in my email.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk. I mean, there's this is probably i'd
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: imagine a native, so it's probably a Native American and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I would love to I would love to hear that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that point of view, because you know, you can go
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: back through you know, all the you know, different tribes
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of America at the time, and they all have something
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: that points to these creatures.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, what is it that you're planning to do with
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: your with your research other than like just trying to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to bring some of these things
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: because these this this, uh, this evidence is incredible and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: you guys are very good at what you do, at
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: least speaking wise, this was you made it very easy
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: for me. You guys that all the heavy lifting. I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate it very I mean that that's not that's not
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: a sleight of hand, you know, the thing that I'm doing.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we really want to just we want to get
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  Speaker 2: it out there to people that you know, anybody can
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  Speaker 2: do this, anybody can get out there in the woods
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  Speaker 2: to start like we started. We're just two guys like
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  Speaker 2: to get out in the woods and hike. But we
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  Speaker 2: we love to show our over evidence. We have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of audio evidence to go along with this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: We've got all kinds of photos and structures and stuff
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  Speaker 2: and we want to share that with people. So we've
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  Speaker 2: been doing presentations in Missouri and here's some in Illinois
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  Speaker 2: if if anybody would like, you know, like to have
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  Speaker 2: us come out and do a presentation or something for
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  Speaker 2: them being a in doing that and getting the word
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  Speaker 2: out more. Also, if you check out our our Facebook page,
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  Speaker 2: it's the T A G the squatches as q W
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  Speaker 2: A T C H G R S. Yeah, it is
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  Speaker 2: right there love page.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they can go over there and here's
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  Speaker 1: some of the evidence, some of the some of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of the howls and some of the
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  Speaker 1: and things like that. Okay, Yeah, we have everything on
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  Speaker 1: there and if you're and also if people are having
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  Speaker 1: issues with this on their property and then during that area,
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  Speaker 1: they can contact you via email.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, yeah, email, Yeah, we just either way this year
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  Speaker 4: and we've we've already got about three or four people
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  Speaker 4: that were we're doing investigations for. So it's it's really
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  Speaker 4: kind of it's been kind of interesting and Sunday, Yeah, fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you guys very much for coming on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Right up after this, uh, and right up
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  Speaker 1: after this guy's is the Magical Ay podcasts. He's on
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  Speaker 1: and about about twenty five minutes, Native Tracker contact me
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  Speaker 1: and uh, Jim and Joe, thank you so much for
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: being so kind of actually shared this with me as
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  Speaker 1: well as my audience. We were up to about I
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  Speaker 1: think at a certain point, about twenty five viewers at
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: at one point, so that was pretty cool live viewers,
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  Speaker 1: and it'll probably get up around I don't know, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty something like that, so that'd be cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So and uh, I really appreciated you guys have been
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  Speaker 1: very cordial and I and it was it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: We really appreciate you having us enjoyed.
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  Speaker 1: It all right, So, uh, remember guys catch me every
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Friday on the Live. Next week we're gonna have on
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin Kinney from the Arizona four. And after that we're
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: gonna have Karen Wilkinson Wilkerson Wilkinson, one of the two.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to mess these names up, but after
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  Speaker 1: a while, my I'm forty five, so it doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: so well in there anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then after that's gonna have my My My, My
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  Speaker 1: Mayan girlfriend and and we're going to talk about her parents.
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  Speaker 1: Is growing up on Yucada Peninsula with witches and Lucia's
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  Speaker 1: and all those kind of weird things that are down here.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's been wonderful. Thank you guys one more time.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are the I, We are aware of love.
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  Speaker 1: You all have a good night.