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#50: Lead With Love: How Noom Unlocked a Healthier Future for Lasting Transformation — Saeju Jeong · Love Conquers Fear

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  I agree that we as a human has a choice.
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  It's inevitable the AGI will impact on our humanity and the
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  way we lived our life, completely different than ever
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  before. We need to put the effort now to
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  shape our future to the right direction.
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  AI AGI will become another species.
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  I don't see that as a tool. It will be regarded as a living
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  creature. I hope there's a world that we
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  can coexist in this planet. The AI can help the humanity,
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  which is we receive the abundance of love and a free
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  from the labor but use that opportunity, time and resources.
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  Finally, we can step off from this treadmill and have a moment
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  truly breathing, smell the nature and understand who I am
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  and fully invest our time. Where am I going and what I can
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  do today in this planet with others.
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  That's the path I'm thinking and hopeful for.
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  Welcome back everybody to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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  I'm still here in New York City. Huge shout out to Asher and the
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  Theorist team. They have an amazing podcast
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  studio. I love being in here.
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  This environment really manifest love and connection, and it's
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  amazing seeing who comes through here.
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  And I had such a good time recording Jonathan Greenblatt,
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  also Henry Crown Fellow CEO of ADL, in the last episode.
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  If you didn't catch that, make sure to.
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  And I am so honored to have another Henry Crown fellow on
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  leading one of the most important companies in the world
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  and based here in New York City. And he is truly a brother to me.
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  And this is this is such a joy. We've been planning this and
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  wow, we're here. So say Jew.
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  Yeah. It's good to be there with you,
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  brother. Yeah.
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  I'm the same way. I'm all right.
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  Yeah, I'm truly honored. So your background is really,
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  really incredible. And I'd like to start there
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  because I would like people to understand, you know, your roots
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  growing up in South Korea and how you got to this point of
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  leading a Unicorn in New York City, but also why this is your
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  soul calling? Like, why is this your soul
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  song? So maybe we just start there.
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  You want to start with the young, say Drew and build up.
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  Absolutely. It's a wild moment that I'm
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  having a conversation with you and you're asking very important
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  question about what happened to my life, isn't it?
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  Yeah. And also like while you had a
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  question that gave me a lot of like the good like dance of the
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  past memories that I have gone in the last 21 years unit in New
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  York City. Yeah.
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  So thanks for having a very thoughtful question.
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  Well, I just want to preface this with whenever I see you and
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  I felt this way from the first time we met, I've always
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  explained to people behind your back.
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  I've always said, Sage you is the embodiment of love.
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  Thank you very much. And I was telling John, you
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  know, our mutual friend that, and he's like, that was like, he
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  was the first time I met him in South Korea.
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  He said, I can't even believe he's real.
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  And so you really are the and my body lights up when I tell you
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  that you really are the embodiment of love.
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  And you represent not just, you know, Koreans well, but all of
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  humanity well. So I really just I just really
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  love you, brother. I want to start out with that.
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  I love you too, and I admire you tremendously.
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  I want you to know that. Thank you.
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  Thank you very much. So my story start from South
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  Korea. Yosu Yosu is South part of South
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  Korea suburb area known for fishing town and beautiful the
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  scenery there. I only remember the great
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  beautiful memories of teenagers and when I was young, my father
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  and my uncle and my aunt all work for a same hospital because
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  they are the medical doctors and a pharmacist.
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  So my grandfather had a strong vision.
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  After Korean War, Korea was more than 70% of Korea was burnt down
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  because of the Korean War in 19, 50 to 53.
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  My grandfather had had a lot of empathy, the community, he was
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  well known fishing business entrepreneur and he utilizes a
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  fortune to raise his children to become a doctor and pharmacist.
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  And that's how my father generation built the General
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  Hospital and that became our family legacy and our pride.
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  So I remember my until I went to the college, all my memories was
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  like my father was working extremely hard with uncle and
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  the our Chong family that take the pride of serving for the
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  public health was the part of my life and I was pretty determined
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  to become a doctor. That is a family culture and my
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  father hoped me to become a doctor so we can both practice
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  together. So last of our love I received
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  from my parent and my grandparents.
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  I remember that. I think it's important we'll
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  talk about that later. But that love that I thought is
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  very ordinary and kind of like it is natural like an oxygen.
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  But I felt like, and I don't know how important it is and how
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  rare I could it be rare that receiving that like full
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  abundant of love built my foundation of who I am now I can
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  speak back. So yes, I, I, I, I, I am very
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  lucky that I had a very great parent and grandparent.
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  And 2nd, I grew up from Yosu, which is very beautiful, like
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  small town, but you know, I receive a ton of love from what
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  nature, from the ocean and the mountain.
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  That's very important. So again, I was pretty
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  determined to go to Medical College, become a doctor, but it
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  didn't happen. I couldn't I didn't go to
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  Medical College and I followed the the interest that I had.
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  Still, I have a lot of interest in the physics and math and
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  computer science. So that area I followed and I
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  entered engineering school and that was the beginning of like
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  departing from predetermined the family, the testing that the
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  destiny versus I want to live my life.
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  I want to create what I like and what I'm supposed to do with my
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  fate, my DNA I call that is predetermined from not this war,
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  but from spiritually, you know, and but now I'm I can decode
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  that. But when I was 1819, I just
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  follow the past. But I think I had unconscious
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  level like and message from like.
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  You sure you want to be a comatographer all that I don't
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  know. So I followed what I liked age
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  18 and I started my first business at age 19 and that was
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  great choice. I think that was one of the best
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  moment of my life decision because I filed my passion which
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  is I like to create something new from none, which we call
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  that is a probably necessary merit to become a entrepreneur.
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  I like to build, I like to build a better service.
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  I like to scale, which is all the merit to become a good
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  entrepreneur. So I had a little taste of
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  becoming an entrepreneur. Yeah, that was at age 19.
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  Age 19 so I found it. Music record label and
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  distribution channel that I listen to have metal music
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  still, I only listen to have metal music.
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  I'm kind of well known, like heavy metal music listener and I
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  don't know, you haven't met. You have made, you may have.
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  I have metal listening like a body around you.
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  But there's a commonality that if they listen to have metal,
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  they listen to have metal, right, Right.
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  Yeah. No, I've got lots of friends
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  growing up who were super into Metallica and many other bands.
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  That's why I am so I did that. So I created a community and I
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  did a business and build a business and it was quite
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  successful. So I had a a little taste of,
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  oh, this is a kind of like an entrepreneurship,
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  entrepreneurship and become a founder alive.
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  And I loved it. So at school, the school
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  couldn't I couldn't pay attention to school because it
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  was kind of like at my work, I felt like I was moving at like
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  the right speed of the action and execution and vision of the
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  vision that I can execute and build something.
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  But at school I felt like I'm dying.
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  It's slow. Slow.
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  Yeah, I felt the same way at school.
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  And also like I, I went to pretty good school, but the my
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  classmate and also my alumni, what they do after finishing
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  their four years of the the studying, it did not inspire me.
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  I want to continue to do that because I want you to, again,
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  like Pursuit for Happiness, but I want you to provide all my
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  talents and resources to build something new.
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  And it's very hard to understand why, but I think that's kind of
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  like, that's the way me as a human that I'm like
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  manufactured. Does it make sense?
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  Like from the that you're meant to be.
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  Meant to be like. It's very hard to explain it
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  like it's. AI know I was meant to be an
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  entrepreneur. It's there's a ton of true joy
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  of thinking something and when I think something that is going to
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  be good and that it becomes a vision and a vision can guide me
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  how to build it. So once I have a vision, then I
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  cannot stop not only myself, but around me.
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  I I convince the others. Well, not the talents.
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  Absolutely contagious because. Contagious.
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  Yeah, that's, I mean, you know, small business is the job
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  creation engine not just of America, but the world.
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  Absolutely. That, you know, someone being
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  audacious enough to make a dream come true.
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  And you know, some people say crazy enough to then say, I'm
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  going to do this and we're not going to fail.
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  And you know, 'cause it is, it is intimidating.
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  You know, we, we had this beautiful dinner last night
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  hosted by Alexa von Tobel. And one of the points I made at
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  that dinner, which you're pointing out to to me off
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  camera, is I made this point that, you know, fear is this
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  contractor and love is this opener.
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  Absolutely. And creating a business is an
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  act of love. But when I wrote my book, The
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  Entrepreneurs Essentials, Chapter 2 is called the
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  paralyzing fear of starting out. And I've started six companies
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  and every time it has been scary at the beginning, Every time
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  that you, the more you lean into love, the more you call another
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  customer, the more you talk to one of your best employees, the
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  more you talk with, you know, an investor that really supports
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  you and believes in you, the more you overcome that.
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  And eventually the the business becomes the embodiment of love.
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  And that then creates the opening for everybody to be
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  authentic and really go for it. I love the way you explain out
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  of your experience because I cannot agree more leaning with
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  the love and remind oneself with a mission vision and the why why
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  we are doing it that often give us a clue to figure during the
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  difficult time, especially in the beginning of the business
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  because everything is just so hard to understand where to
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  start and how to navigate because everything is unknown
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  yet. But I have a repeating
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  experience from repeating experience that I know that
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  they're figuring that out is a true joy.
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  Yeah, it's it's interesting, right.
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  So building the effort, putting the effort to build is actually
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  the happiness moment, not just delivering, because by the time
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  you delivered, you're the, you're thinking next.
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  So it's kind of like a, it's infinite anyway, yeah, there's
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  no journey line. It's not like a movie.
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  Yes, the journey is the reward and I also have a chapter in the
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  entrepreneurial essentials on that the journey is the award
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  and that you know, it, it, it's, I mean, money is just energy.
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  So it's nice when it's financially successful because
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  you can use that energy for good things.
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  And we'll talk about, we'll talk about some of the ways you've
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  used that energy with founding Qum and other amazing
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  initiatives you're into. But you know, it it, it's, it's
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  incredible when the two line up. But I can tell you for sure that
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  I am a founder because that's what I'm meant to do.
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  And I know that that's what you're meant to do.
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  And I know that that's the main thing.
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  Like the some people will assume someone's a founder to make a
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  lot of money. That can't be the drive.
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  The drive has to be no, I want to put this change in the world
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  and that if the money follows, great.
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  But but it's but that's not the reason you do it.
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  The reason why this podcast is very beautiful to me and also
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  it's a gift to me because now I have a little more understanding
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  about what is about entrepreneurship and I can't
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  interpret my own life when I was 20s.
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  So that's why I said thank you for your important question and
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  how did I start my business? Because if you had this question
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  10 years ago, I would say differently.
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  I mean, the fact base the same, but I ought to feel differently
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  because the amount of the insight and learning has been
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  changed in the I'm evolving. So I'm actually interpreting my
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  own story differently now. So I want to say thank you one
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  more time and let me revision the conversation.
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  Thank you. So so I had the taste of being
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  an entrepreneur. It was incredible.
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  And by accidentally that I figured that I like to start
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  business. And also like again, it was not
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  like I had a lot of preparation. It was not like an I was kind of
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  thoughtful approach, but I think that was my instinct that I knew
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  that I need to start the business.
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  Matter of fact, the way I start my first business was out of
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  like frustration that I was client and consumer of have met
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  a music in South Korea and as you can imagine, it's not a
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  popular music, popular genre. And also it was we didn't it
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  wasn't right before streaming service MP3 format.
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  So everything was like ACD, so physical good, right to consume
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  the music. So everything was literally
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  importing good because have metal music is not from Korea,
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  is often from Europe and America and experience was quite
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  limited, which I understood it because that was the norm.
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  But I felt like and why I'm not receiving a good experience and
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  I out of frustration, I found the company.
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  So now I understand more about how to start a company and how
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  scary it is to start a company. All that.
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  But by the time I didn't count about such as Tam or see the
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  money who to hire. No plan at all.
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  No plan at all. But I started it.
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  Yeah. And I registered company.
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  I still remember I registered company at I've by visiting the
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  mayor's office. I registered and this the, the
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  public, the, the, the the service officer said like, wow,
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  you're quite young to start business.
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  And he goes like, but he gave me a big smile and he said,
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  congratulations on your start of your own business, CEO John.
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  And he was, yeah, very cool. He didn't look down to me.
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  He was kind of like he was encouraging me to achieve a
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  success beginning, new beginning of my chapter.
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  And then I start to talk to my friends who has a talent to help
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  me to get there. So I asked for my like friends
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  like who can build a website, who can do design, who can
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  translate English to Korean, all that.
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  I asked for help here and there and then put together and it
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  became a service and business. But while I was doing that, it
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  was like a ton of pure joy. It was more fun than having
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  like, I don't know, hang out with your friends or, you know,
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  usual like kite students, like, you know, go out and hang out in
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  the, you know, like drink something.
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  But it was like not even comparable.
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  Right, right. Yeah.
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  I was working every night until like midnight or one or two AM
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  without thinking about it was working.
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  It was just a pure fun. You were in a state of flow.
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  Absolutely. So I did that while I was doing
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  it. I felt like in my inner self
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  esteem, probably first time in my life was like growing up like
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  the, my identity, my who I am and the understanding about,
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  like I can do something right. The confidence of the same
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  confidence has been like organically building up, which
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  is very good, right? Right.
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  And then I got a call from my mom one day and I knew something
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  was wrong. You just know.
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  Right, right. You just know.
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  Yeah, you can feel it, Yeah. Oh, yeah, unfortunately, my mom,
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  my, my mom's voice was kind of like she was shivering.
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  And then she was like, hey, we want you to be back to home now.
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  And mom, And then I knew exactly somehow.
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  So mom, it's not about our, our dad health, right?
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  My, my father was known as very healthy man, very sporty, super
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  energetic, charismatic, the leader and medical doctor.
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  So I never thought about his health.
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  He he barely even caught a cold. But I somehow just just had a
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  sense again, like when my mom called me and I was like, and my
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  mom like cried. And that's not a good response,
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  right? So I went down to Yosu, trained
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  down to visit my parent and they told me that my father, he, we
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  discovered the cancers, you know, late stage 4, probably 8
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  months left to one year. And that was kind of like very
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  difficult, the very difficult news still today.
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  I feel like it was so surreal message and news to us.
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  I still have, I think, a little like trauma, that entire
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  dialogue. Yeah, the air, everything.
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  Do you understand? Like how?
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  How? How old were you?
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  I was about 20. Yeah, yeah. 2020 and there was
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  kind of like, you know, like the stillness.
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  Yeah, of awkwardness and Father's talking to me about
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  that. And I kind of like deny that
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  it's not us. Yeah, it's someone else's story.
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  But, you know, pinch myself and it is real.
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  And I check again. I go to bed with this must be a
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  dream and see again tomorrow morning.
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  And it's the same. And that, you know, like then
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  it's incredible that that that was the death sentence to our
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  family because as I mentioned that I grew up with a lot of
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  love. So every day now I'm a father
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  now, so. And I have two boys, so I
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  understand how much my father and my mom put the effort to
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  raise the children with the love.
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  But by the time I, I was receiving the love from parents.
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  So I, I did have that, that story in my scenarios, you know
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  what I'm saying? So it was kind of like such a
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  big news, not a good news. Difficult news Come along.
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  I I don't know if you know this about me, but I lost my dad
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  young, but it was very, very fast.
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  Like I got a call at 3:30 in the morning and he had died from a
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  single heart attack. And I went over to, to, to, to
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  their house and it was just, yeah, it's just, I just couldn't
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  believe it. I, I will say that he always
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  said that's the way he wanted to go, like in his sleep, but he
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  died at age 63 and it was a very weird feeling to be young and
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  not have a father anymore. Although I, I will tell you that
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  I've, I've have communion with him in very meditative states.
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  You know, I I definitely have his voice and guidance still,
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  but you and I have this in common.
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  Absolutely. I'm sorry for hearing that.
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  So I I, I I think that experience.
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  So because of that, I had to adapt the new life that I had to
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  adapt to prepare for his departure and it's eternal.
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  It would change permanently of our family structure and I will
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  not be able to speak with my father.
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  I remember that was very difficult.
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  There's no word can describe till today.
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  It's selfish speaking. It's not.
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  It's more than sad, sad, but also a ton of fear because I
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  was, I was still like premature. Right.
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  And I just kick off my own business and I was doing well.
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  So I was owning the respect for my father.
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  That kind of approval of I would say like that it's OK to not
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  it's OK to not become a doctor. The the family like pressure and
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  our predetermined the path of the business that the
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  professional that I didn't follow.
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  So I became a black sheep and John family.
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  So I, it took 20 years, by the way, to remove that.
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  I don't know. It just took 220 years for me,
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  by the way, to remove that. The burden, if I may say.
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  But so it was a tiny bit of like I was able to build my own
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  confidence and it's showing the progress.
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  So I was very proud of myself, my relationship with my father
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  and my mom, always special and very good.
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  And because that we had eight months left, but God gave us a
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  little more. So he stayed more than a year,
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  but he, he left eventually. But my father as a doctor, he
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  knew what's kind of what's going to happen to him.
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  And unfortunately it was a lung cancer.
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  So the later part that he couldn't speak well.
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  So he knew that. So he he wanted to have a
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  conversation with him as much as he could about the life,
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  including his life and also my life and upcoming my life right
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  after him. And I think that's kind of like
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  a human nature. I don't God forbid, I hope that
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  doesn't happen to my life, but if that happened to me, I think
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  I will do the same. Like I will share.
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  I want to sit down with my boys and speak about my life that
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  way. It's important that I think it
• 25:30
  was important to him that I was listening his life and he he he
• 25:39
  commented here and there and he left some questions to me and
• 25:44
  that was the best advice. Rather, he guide me, sees you do
• 25:49
  this and that he actually left a lot of important questions that
• 25:54
  questions led me to think deeper, such as the definition
• 26:00
  of success and happiness. He questioned, he questioned
• 26:06
  himself and he actually shared his thought.
• 26:08
  He questioned me. He was a very happy that I start
• 26:12
  my own business, but he asked, so what's the vision of your
• 26:16
  business says you you like have met a music that's great and you
• 26:20
  make money out of the have met a music that I have knowledge and
• 26:23
  passion that's great, but then what?
• 26:27
  And why so kind of like having a those conversation help me to go
• 26:33
  deeper level. And I felt like I got naked
• 26:36
  almost the feeling of like in front of my father who who is my
• 26:39
  father, who I ultimately love. And he's getting weak, weaker
• 26:44
  every day. And he's asking the question out
• 26:47
  of full of love and curiosity. And I cannot answer.
• 26:51
  I didn't have a satisfying answer, I would say.
• 26:54
  So I'd not like it. But that question was such a
• 26:56
  good question and it kept even after he passed away.
• 27:00
  Several questions stayed in my mind for long years, such as
• 27:07
  what is the occupation, what is the business and what is a good
• 27:12
  business? What is a good business?
• 27:15
  What is money and why making money is important and how to
• 27:20
  spend dollars money. He questioned and he also
• 27:24
  mentioned about community, community and I and I, of
• 27:30
  course, I respond to him. Yeah, community in Portland.
• 27:33
  And he goes like, why? And I explained because it's
• 27:37
  community, kind of like it's nice to be a kind person.
• 27:39
  No, no, no, go deeper. Why and how will you do and why?
• 27:45
  And he had a very simple comment and questions and then left a
• 27:49
  lot. And then I want to, I want to
• 27:50
  share the last question and reflection of his life.
• 27:54
  He said he he just monologue. He said, hey, Seiju, it's very
• 28:01
  interesting that people think of me as a leader of healthcare and
• 28:06
  I became very known doctor, became a well known person
• 28:11
  because we had the largest hospital group in our province.
• 28:16
  But he felt like he didn't feel good about that comment because
• 28:25
  as he became a known doctor, he met more and more sick patients
• 28:30
  and he he warned the patient that they have to change the
• 28:36
  lifestyle and do better so they can prevent or manage their
• 28:42
  chronic conditions. But often patients got worse and
• 28:46
  they return and they see my father for operation, which is
• 28:51
  more much invasive way to treat. But often it's not a cure, it's
• 28:59
  a it's a sick care management. So my father commented himself
• 29:03
  like I became sick care professional in the society.
• 29:09
  The way the society also incentivize his effort is I
• 29:13
  treat sick people, then I get paid more.
• 29:16
  But I tell people how to get healthy and prevent the illness,
• 29:20
  then I don't get paid. And the system is not
• 29:23
  encouraging me to do that because I'm busy to deal with
• 29:27
  all the sick people. Right.
• 29:29
  So that was a big question he had as healthcare professional
• 29:33
  and he had the monologue. It's interesting that people
• 29:37
  think I'm healthcare leader, but I know I'm a sick care leader.
• 29:41
  That's first comment and made me like a big question.
• 29:44
  Second, he said look at me seizure.
• 29:47
  I studied hard. I put the best effort every year
• 29:52
  to update my practice by attending conferences and look
• 29:57
  after literature later literature to apply new practice
• 30:00
  to patient. And all this knowledge over 20,
• 30:04
  nearly 30 years old, like old experience will be like vanished
• 30:11
  as I die. I cannot, I cannot give it to
• 30:15
  someone else. All the knowledge, experience
• 30:19
  and that hurt. Is that because my experience
• 30:23
  and knowledge can save lives and help people but I cannot
• 30:29
  transfer? Right.
• 30:31
  And then he left a big question. That's why probably
• 30:35
  entrepreneur. I respect them.
• 30:39
  And sometimes I I hope I should have done that path rather be a
• 30:48
  doctor, because a doctor is not scalable.
• 30:51
  Right. But entrepreneur like you, like
• 30:53
  entrepreneur, can build a platform.
• 30:56
  And this is exactly why he said working against the clock, it
• 30:59
  thought. Because once the entrepreneur
• 31:01
  can create a platform, the platform itself is alive.
• 31:05
  Right. And it's scalable and the
• 31:09
  knowledge can be captured. And he, he wished that I can be
• 31:17
  inspired. And I think I was inspired by
• 31:20
  that because I witnessed how much now has been compiled under
• 31:25
  my doctor John, my father, and ended and it's gone.
• 31:31
  So those two big topic left the big question.
• 31:36
  And there's a lot of beautiful story here and there, but those
• 31:39
  are the main question left in my heart.
• 31:43
  And he passed away. He he was such a philosopher.
• 31:47
  Oh, he is. And he giving you the biggest
• 31:53
  questions that would shape your life.
• 31:56
  Absolutely, brother. These are these are very, very
• 32:00
  probing, difficult questions to answer and and undoubtedly that
• 32:07
  led to Newham. Absolutely.
• 32:10
  So that led me to come to the United States.
• 32:13
  Yeah. So what happened was after that
• 32:15
  experience and those very important but hard to answer
• 32:19
  those questions inspired me quite a lot.
• 32:22
  And I was serving for the Army in Korean Army as a mentary
• 32:27
  service. And as soon as I finished that
• 32:29
  and dismissed, I drop out college and I came to United
• 32:33
  States in four days after I was dismissed from the Army to
• 32:36
  United States, New York City. And why New York City?
• 32:39
  Because I literally wanted to reset my life.
• 32:44
  Why did I want to reset my life because it's a lot of things
• 32:47
  that cluttered and AI already lost my interest at school BI
• 32:54
  knew that I will not pursue the career that most of the student
• 32:58
  they follow after they finished the engineering school 3 The
• 33:03
  impact of my father's absence was greater than anything, so I
• 33:11
  I had a clear wish that I just want to reset my life I want to
• 33:15
  start from scratch and for Out of my my conversation, my dad I
• 33:22
  learned that my father was my father and my mom.
• 33:25
  They were giving a chance many times that I can discover my own
• 33:30
  talent, the gift that I have. In other words, that something
• 33:36
  I'm good at and talent, it's it's embodied with my DNA again.
• 33:41
  In other words, maybe in this time as this shape or form, as a
• 33:45
  the way as a human being manufactured.
• 33:49
  I am certain I have something good.
• 33:51
  And I believe every single human has that.
• 33:54
  Yeah. So I went to discover it, my
• 33:57
  will. So before time before I came to
• 34:00
  United State, a lot of my parent effort to discover what I'm good
• 34:05
  at for instance, they sent me to like play a violin or sports or
• 34:11
  like you know like reading a lot of physics stuff like to
• 34:14
  discover and also basic education, but also just
• 34:17
  discover what I'm good at right. I want to give that chance to
• 34:21
  myself by at my will make sense to you.
• 34:25
  So that's why I chose New York City.
• 34:27
  Yeah. Why is complete opposite of soul
• 34:29
  is the for this city in South from South Korea, Boston or New
• 34:34
  York City 2nd internationally friendly, So I thought I can't
• 34:38
  say it. Well, that's how I came to New
• 34:40
  York City in 2005 January 22nd and I arrived and then my new
• 34:47
  chapter has begun that I didn't speak English almost at all.
• 34:52
  I'm not exaggerating. Again, my English was extremely
• 34:55
  poor. And also I did not know any
• 34:58
  human in the United States. Like, yes, I had uncle, but
• 35:04
  uncle lives in a Tennessee. So in New York City I had to
• 35:07
  build something completely new. And but matter of fact that I
• 35:12
  was very happy with that condition.
• 35:14
  Yeah, I want that condition that I would start from scratch, no
• 35:18
  help. But I want to build and I want
• 35:22
  to approve myself to myself, not to others, right.
• 35:27
  So that's how I came in 2005 and Oh my God I had a lot of like
• 35:32
  difficult time but necessary time to build how to learn
• 35:36
  English and build a relationship with a random people.
• 35:40
  Human had the several different I had.
• 35:43
  I had like at some .3 different job to pay the bill.
• 35:46
  Right. All that so over three years, I
• 35:51
  learned survival English and also rebuild the the
• 35:55
  relationship with any human around around me.
• 35:58
  And three, I was looking for what I can do, what I what I
• 36:02
  should. I knew that I will start the
• 36:05
  business, but what area and why? It took three years and I
• 36:09
  figured it has to be healthcare because I have a lot of empathy
• 36:14
  and love, right? Starting from the family and
• 36:17
  friends and community wanting to apply science and technology.
• 36:21
  Science because it has to be true and technology to make it
• 36:27
  affordable. So science and technology and
• 36:31
  because I was immigrant, that helped me to start company Noom.
• 36:35
  Why? Because as immigrant, a lot of
• 36:38
  things that I don't understand in America as an adult, for
• 36:41
  instance, a lot of Americans are sick from my eyes.
• 36:46
  And I know by that most of Americans are sick.
• 36:50
  Americans are not healthy. And that's kind of like
• 36:53
  shocking. Why, when I came to United
• 36:56
  States, I had the hope like, oh, America, the most powerful
• 36:59
  country in the world and most educated country in the world
• 37:02
  and most resource like abundant country in the world, but people
• 37:06
  are sick, all right, That's kind of like.
• 37:09
  It was surprising. Surprising #2 and the cost.
• 37:15
  Healthcare cost is incredibly expensive than South Korea.
• 37:19
  And three, the waiting time is like not even possible, like
• 37:24
  possible to compare why people are sick and they don't receive
• 37:28
  a good healthcare services. So that led me to start company
• 37:32
  new because I had a belief I I believe that science and
• 37:36
  technology can provide a much better service than it was.
• 37:40
  So that became the mission. And you did you you started with
• 37:44
  a Co founder. Yes, yeah.
• 37:46
  And tell tell me about. So I met a lot of friends
• 37:50
  because I had to meet. I had build a new friendship.
• 37:53
  So I went to many meetings, random meetings.
• 37:57
  There's a lot of open house here and there.
• 37:59
  And it's a serendipity. I met my Co founder Artem
• 38:03
  Petakov, who just got a job at Google.
• 38:07
  He just graduated from Princeton University, computer science
• 38:11
  major and he got a job at Google and we became a friend very
• 38:15
  quickly because we met bunch of other Princeton University.
• 38:21
  The the classmates, they were all like got a pretty strong
• 38:27
  business. The job like Bloomberg, like
• 38:29
  Morgan Stanley and like I remember that McKinsey and
• 38:33
  Google, like all great companies except me, but I didn't mind by
• 38:38
  the time my confidence level has been recovered.
• 38:40
  So I'm kind of like meeting them.
• 38:44
  I like Artem particularly because by the way, they were
• 38:48
  all dorky, all nerdian dorky, which is fine.
• 38:52
  I actually like that a lot. And Artem was paying attention
• 38:55
  to listen while the rest of the the the folks were just beasts
• 39:00
  to talk, but he was listening. So I like that.
• 39:04
  And 2nd that I like it. Dork, the dorky, the character
• 39:09
  that he is so focused, he doesn't care the rest of the
• 39:13
  things, right? I like that because I can take
• 39:15
  care of that, right? And I appreciate that.
• 39:19
  So became a very good friend and I share the vision that we can
• 39:24
  apply science and technology to make the impact and change the
• 39:27
  way healthcare has been working in America.
• 39:30
  And that has been well perceived by him.
• 39:34
  And then we started company after we met in two years and
• 39:39
  that became the beginning of the Noom.
• 39:41
  Yeah, that's great. Thank you.
• 39:43
  And Noom, at this point, I mean, I you know, you've created with
• 39:50
  a amazing team, one of the most important companies in this
• 39:54
  space and one of the one of the really crown jewels of New York
• 39:58
  City, which is which is the immigrant success story dream
• 40:02
  come true, which in this country.
• 40:06
  We're all immigrants unless we were American natives, which is
• 40:10
  about 1.5 million of our population.
• 40:15
  And you know, this is the embodiment of the American
• 40:20
  dream, you know, to create something from scratch that
• 40:24
  makes a positive change in the world.
• 40:27
  What, what is the kind of, how do you, how do you view Newm's
• 40:31
  success today? And how would you describe what
• 40:35
  the scope of Nume is today in terms of the offerings?
• 40:38
  And I know you also, you know, you're very humble and it's one
• 40:44
  of the things I love a lot about you.
• 40:46
  But you know, you've also won Entrepreneur of the year.
• 40:51
  You, you've, you've won many different awards and, and I
• 40:55
  just, you know, I want to honor that too, that your success has
• 40:58
  been recognized publicly as well as it should be.
• 41:02
  I appreciate it. So if I may share my experience
• 41:05
  that mission driven matters because mission driven act and
• 41:12
  the work is invincible. Startup is full of offs and
• 41:18
  downs as you are well aware of. For sure.
• 41:21
  It's not only just business offs and downs, it's also emotional
• 41:24
  offs and downs among oneself and also with a colleague and also
• 41:30
  with investors or sometimes the customers or clients.
• 41:35
  So there's a lot of unknown matters while they operate the
• 41:39
  business. And for the founders, I mean
• 41:42
  founders, they don't have a choice.
• 41:45
  They gave a birth. That's right.
• 41:47
  Or the business it's not. So once they start as a founder,
• 41:51
  then that means it's like ultimate, like responsibility to
• 41:57
  founder. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:59
  So I understand it's very harsh and it can be very difficult to
• 42:03
  human. I get that.
• 42:05
  Because of that, I just want to remind myself in the the
• 42:10
  audience is that mission driven act is for me, that was the best
• 42:17
  way I could manage the difficult time.
• 42:21
  Now only just power through the difficult time.
• 42:24
  Often it gave me the clue how to learn and also guide the
• 42:29
  company, including how to figure the strategy and business models
• 42:34
  and services. So that's number one.
• 42:36
  And #2 the culture matters. Culture is kind of hard to
• 42:42
  explain, but what the right culture is like a very similar
• 42:46
  to like family culture. When you visit your friend's
• 42:49
  house, you just know relatively quickly like, oh, this family
• 42:53
  has a pretty good like culture. It's hard to actually explain
• 42:56
  why exactly We kind of sense that.
• 42:59
  You can sense it when we walked into Alexa von Tobel's office
• 43:04
  last night. Inspired Capital.
• 43:06
  We immediately sense the familial environment.
• 43:10
  Correct, It's a real as a. Founder, you know, and I just
• 43:16
  met her last night, but I know that she's become an instant
• 43:19
  friend and you know, walking in there I was thinking to myself,
• 43:26
  wow, if I'm a founder walking in here to raise money from
• 43:30
  inspired capital, like immediately I'm going to be
• 43:34
  open. It's environment that's going to
• 43:36
  bring out the best in me because it feels like you're walking
• 43:39
  into someone's warm home. I know her and I cannot test
• 43:43
  that. So you're, yes, you just met
• 43:46
  her, but your experience at her office, how you were created by
• 43:52
  a fellow at there and also the office environment, how she
• 43:56
  listened to our story and how she's trying to share her
• 44:00
  experience and resources to help, it's just so nice.
• 44:04
  It's so nice, yeah. And of course, coach come from
• 44:07
  the top, so it matters. So mission driven work and also
• 44:12
  culture that matters and. And it's a competitive advantage
• 44:17
  for her because because like as a, as a, as a investor, I'm an
• 44:21
  investor in 150 startups and, and 50 VC funds.
• 44:25
  And when I'm meeting with a founder, I want them to be
• 44:31
  totally relaxed with me because I am just there to help them.
• 44:35
  I am just, I am a founder, right?
• 44:37
  I'm just there to build them up. And I can't tell you the number
• 44:41
  of meetings I have at our home in Austin where people come in,
• 44:47
  there's a board member blow up, there's a huge acquisition
• 44:51
  opportunity, whatever it is. And they will just be honest
• 44:56
  with me. And walking into Alexa's office
• 44:59
  last night, I was like, this is a huge advantage because she's
• 45:02
  going to manifest in them a deep connection so she can truly help
• 45:07
  them so that they're not in this fancy office where it's, you
• 45:11
  know, intimidating and meant to make the entrepreneur
• 45:14
  intimidated. It's it's a place where they can
• 45:17
  just be. I agree.
• 45:19
  Matter of fact, actually you are doing the same thing that you
• 45:23
  mentioned and you practice that you are giving your love.
• 45:27
  Yeah. Well, thank you.
• 45:29
  The love open the chest and love is often is the cure and also
• 45:34
  the key to unlock. Well, thank you.
• 45:36
  Well, love Conquers Fear is my soul song.
• 45:38
  This is what I meant to do in this lifetime.
• 45:41
  And the way I look at my whole life leading up to this moment
• 45:45
  is it was a way to get forged in both the love and the fires of
• 45:53
  entrepreneurship so that I could allow love to conquer my own
• 45:58
  fear, establish myself as a capitalist, making a positive
• 46:04
  change in the world, working alongside great teams, creating
• 46:07
  great cultures, and then be at the metathematic of my life and
• 46:12
  this inflection point for humanity.
• 46:15
  And we'll get into AI, etcetera here, but this is the next 10 to
• 46:21
  15 years matter the most. So I'm working backwards from
• 46:25
  that timeline on. What can I do today to impact
• 46:28
  humanity and be a part of the light?
• 46:32
  Lots of people are a part of the light, but be a part of the
• 46:35
  light to make that heart shift that we need to create the
• 46:40
  future that we could have abundance for everyone on the
• 46:43
  planet. And so I'm working backwards on
• 46:45
  that. I hope I can contribute some.
• 46:48
  You, you are right now and, and, and you are with being a
• 46:53
  beautiful entrepreneur, creating great company cultures, helping
• 46:56
  people with healthcare. I mean, you're doing it.
• 46:58
  I appreciate you. So the story goes.
• 47:01
  So we figured we had a lot of product that we thought it
• 47:05
  should work and it did not work or the product was good but it
• 47:09
  was not well received by many users.
• 47:12
  So we struggled in the beginning as most of the old stage company
• 47:16
  experienced, but we became better and better by we made a
• 47:19
  lot of mistakes and errors and eventually we became known
• 47:23
  company since 2014 as we apply behavior change and using
• 47:29
  psychology. That was a hard moment.
• 47:32
  So there was an era that everything was over smartphone
• 47:36
  application. Smartphone was rising 2000 and
• 47:39
  12/13/14. Remember that and we became a
• 47:42
  known company no more became the pioneer of behavior changing
• 47:47
  approach to own health. And that's the way people manage
• 47:50
  the weight and they reverse diabetics or they can manage
• 47:54
  chronic conditions and of course manage the lose weight and keep
• 47:58
  it off. So but not just by just restrict
• 48:02
  diet, but by understanding the psychology of like relationship
• 48:06
  with the food and also relationship with like social
• 48:09
  setting. Everything matters.
• 48:11
  So we guide our used build a healthy habit on diet, exercise,
• 48:15
  stress management, sleep. And that was a big success.
• 48:20
  So 2014 we became like loved by users and that was the moment of
• 48:26
  like product market. If we figured and company enter
• 48:29
  in the gross mode and we enter like hyper gross mode in 2018
• 48:34
  19/20/2018 Sequoia Capital which I always wanted to work with
• 48:39
  them and they came everything was natural.
• 48:41
  So people ask how did you get the money for Sequoia Capital,
• 48:44
  right? And they're like all that now,
• 48:47
  retrospective perspective, like it was not like when we needed
• 48:51
  their money, they didn't pay attention to us.
• 48:55
  But when we really head down and build a product and we like
• 48:59
  entire organization, Oh my God, Brad, like from like in Coneva
• 49:05
  intern, we had to even have a chef to feed us, not to fancy
• 49:09
  chef, but because we worked so hard, breakfast, lunch, dinner,
• 49:12
  I'm telling you. Right.
• 49:14
  I believe it. So from the intern.
• 49:16
  Thank you brother. So intern to like me CEO, every
• 49:21
  single person was head down and aligned.
• 49:24
  And we we share our the metrics every Friday.
• 49:30
  We had a moment all hands gathering every Friday.
• 49:35
  It was very sacred. And I finished the meeting with
• 49:38
  gratitude, the weekly progress milestone, gratitude and finish
• 49:43
  the week. How nice is that?
• 49:46
  And I never missed any single Friday session since 2012 till
• 49:51
  like I, I stepped down in 2022. So that was fantastic.
• 49:58
  Now I'm executive chair, but I so the journey was beautiful.
• 50:02
  More than a around 10 years of like a non-stop grinding, Yes,
• 50:07
  absolute grinding work, working hours countless.
• 50:11
  But do I regret it? Not at all.
• 50:15
  Was it beautiful, absolutely beautiful, perfect.
• 50:20
  The comrade, the spirit, the well deserved success, growth of
• 50:26
  the company. Can you believe that our company
• 50:28
  over almost six years in a row straight, we did not miss any
• 50:33
  forecast. We actually exceed every year
• 50:36
  the forecast. So it became very.
• 50:38
  I know it just sounds very snobby, but that's not my
• 50:41
  intention. No.
• 50:42
  It doesn't the investment became very like a natural composition,
• 50:47
  right? Sequoia Capital came to us and
• 50:49
  said we've been following it for two years, right.
• 50:52
  And all the numbers indicating you're the best in the market.
• 50:54
  Let's work together, right? Straightforward.
• 50:57
  Yeah, very simple. And we also honor their brand,
• 51:01
  their their work with the founders and incredible
• 51:05
  portfolios. So we said yes and we entered
• 51:09
  the hyper growth mode. They helped us a lot to grow the
• 51:12
  company. They gave us a lot of insight.
• 51:15
  So that's the way the beauty of the Silicon Valley and we are,
• 51:18
  we've been always in New York City.
• 51:20
  So Newham and Silicon Valley, the Mona Pinnacle Vent Capital,
• 51:25
  you know Sequa Capital we put together and we even grew faster
• 51:29
  and greater and became like Unicorn less than a two years
• 51:32
  afterward and became like the largest consumer PF changing
• 51:38
  platform company still today. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:41
  Amazing. Well, you deserve all that
• 51:43
  success and more. And it's very clear to me that
• 51:48
  Newham was rooted in an act of love that your father gave you
• 51:56
  before he crossed over. I'll say that instead.
• 51:59
  Passed away 'cause his soul is still still very much here.
• 52:03
  I actually feel the presence of him, the presence of my dad, My
• 52:08
  dad, you know, when he passed away from a heart attack, I was
• 52:14
  always trying to convince him to lose weight and he passed away
• 52:21
  due to diet. So I can I can feel him here
• 52:24
  right now saying, of course, you know, here you are with, with
• 52:29
  episode 50 of this podcast and you're talking about something
• 52:35
  that could have saved his life. And I'm sure that Newham is
• 52:40
  saving people's lives. And you know, that Friday
• 52:44
  meeting that you had manifesting that love in your team.
• 52:49
  I did the same thing at bizarre voice, did the same thing at
• 52:52
  data dot world, did the same thing at core metrics before
• 52:55
  both of those. And that was that was what I was
• 53:01
  trying to do. You know, I made a decision
• 53:04
  early on as a young entrepreneur that I was going to lead with
• 53:09
  love versus lead with fear. Both are approaches that
• 53:14
  entrepreneurs can try on. But leading with love, it's,
• 53:20
  it's very hard to go wrong. It's the highest vibratory for.
• 53:25
  In the. Universe, it's it's in alignment
• 53:28
  with the universe and it brings out the best in not just
• 53:33
  everybody around you, but in yourself to it.
• 53:38
  It brings out your soul into the business and it just creates
• 53:45
  that that beautiful energetic field like we were talking about
• 53:48
  that you can feel. We can feel now.
• 53:50
  You can feel it now. So this AI moment, I'd love to
• 53:54
  talk about this moment. You know, this is a, this is a
• 54:00
  moment where you and I are here. We're going to live through this
• 54:06
  age where there's such an exponential of exponential curve
• 54:13
  right now that the ability for humanity for us all of us to
• 54:20
  create abundance that we can't even imagine today is has never
• 54:27
  been more apparent. I agree alpha fold.
• 54:30
  You know you're you're rooted in healthcare decodes the protein
• 54:34
  folding problem is going to create a future of medicines.
• 54:40
  We can't imagine today that solve all types of diseases that
• 54:44
  we've had for for forever. And we, you know, we're here in
• 54:53
  this in this moment where there's all this dystopian as
• 54:57
  well about AII. Understand.
• 54:59
  You know this and and part of that has been grafted in us
• 55:02
  because of the human collective psyche of movies like The
• 55:06
  Terminator, The Matrix. Such a well made movie for sure
• 55:10
  for entertainment. Right.
• 55:12
  Oh, yeah. And but, but it's, but it's
• 55:13
  grafted into our psyche. You know, it being I'm I'm
• 55:17
  Jewish in Judaism, there's the story of Gollum and Prague,
• 55:21
  which was an animated being. This is many hundreds of years
• 55:26
  old fable and then destroyed the synagogue and, you know, kind of
• 55:31
  got out of control and the rabbi had to had to, had to turn
• 55:36
  Gollum off essentially. And so these stories have been
• 55:39
  around for a long time and there's a lot of fear of job
• 55:44
  loss. So there's all these fears,
• 55:46
  fear, fear, fear. But then there's also this great
• 55:49
  hope for humanity, and humanity's never prioritized
• 55:54
  anything in our history with as much money, energy and time as
• 55:59
  AI. Not even, not even close,
• 56:03
  actually. You know, last year at least $7
• 56:07
  trillion of announcements were made towards the creation of AGI
• 56:12
  around the world. Gartner just came out with a
• 56:16
  report this week that says the US will spend and these include
• 56:21
  all the companies in the US will spend around $2.4 trillion just
• 56:26
  this year on AI. So we're in, we're in very
• 56:30
  unprecedented territory. And I think part of that is
• 56:33
  hope. I think I think part of that is
• 56:36
  hope. It's not just fear.
• 56:38
  The fear part of that would be if China gets AGI before us in
• 56:44
  the US, we're worried and China is probably thinking the same
• 56:48
  thing. If the US gets AGI before them,
• 56:51
  I think it's a completely false fear because the engineers in
• 56:56
  these AI companies are moving around like crazy.
• 56:59
  They're they're, they're very valuable.
• 57:01
  They're constantly job switching.
• 57:03
  So the the IP is all, I mean, the trade secrets are being
• 57:09
  widely distributed. I think what Max Tegmark wrote
• 57:12
  in life 3 dot O which that's a book that came out in 2017, that
• 57:17
  one company creates AGI and then they get to rule over all the
• 57:24
  rest. I I just don't think, I think, I
• 57:26
  think once one company creates AGI next week, another company
• 57:30
  is going to come out with then next week and they will be open
• 57:33
  source. So we have.
• 57:37
  I agree that point, by the way. OK, cool.
• 57:39
  Yeah, so we have, we have this moment where it's pretty clear
• 57:42
  to me that humanity within the next few years is going to have
• 57:46
  AGI at scale and and it'll be open source as well.
• 57:51
  So that means all of humanity is going to have these superpowers,
• 57:54
  almost all of humanity that we can start to imagine today,
• 58:01
  because we're bit over three years since the launch of
• 58:04
  ChatGPT at this moment. And it's already having these
• 58:11
  super powers, whether it's clawed, whether it's Gemini, the
• 58:13
  efficiency is just off the charts incredible.
• 58:17
  And then it's shattering the barrier to creativity to you.
• 58:22
  So I'm just curious how you view this moment and, and how you
• 58:27
  view us entering this age of abundance for all.
• 58:31
  And and you know, just how positive or negative are you
• 58:35
  that we we're going to get there?
• 58:37
  First of all, I want to say thank you so much for your
• 58:40
  effort, Brad. Thank you because as you said
• 58:42
  very well and prepped this question that I agree that we as
• 58:47
  a human has a choice. It's inevitable the age I will
• 58:52
  impact on our humanity and the way we lived our life completely
• 58:57
  different than ever before. I think we have a choice and
• 59:02
  there are people leader like you put the good effort to use this
• 59:07
  incredible technology toward the right direction to keep and also
• 59:14
  advance our humanity as we supposed to have.
• 59:17
  So I want to say thank you for. Your effort, I appreciate it.
• 59:20
  That means a lot coming from you.
• 59:21
  And you know, my, as you know, my purpose with this is to help
• 59:26
  tip humanity to have the heart shift that we need to make it
• 59:31
  together and realize that we're 99.9% the same genetically
• 59:36
  across this world. And this illusion of separation,
• 59:41
  you know, whether it's race or religion or country, all of
• 59:46
  this. The belief, yeah.
• 59:48
  It's going to be forced to, you know, we'll still have these
• 59:52
  constructs, but it's going to be forced to realize the divinity
• 59:56
  within us all and for all of us to realize we cannot play the 0
• 1:00:02
  sum game with tools these powerful.
• 1:00:06
  We have to unite as humanity, team humanity.
• 1:00:10
  To make it to this new age of abundance, for I agree everyone,
• 1:00:14
  we have to choose that we have free will.
• 1:00:16
  I agree because of that and also we mention about the yes, there
• 1:00:21
  is like very entertaining but very dark from sci-fi movies
• 1:00:26
  that dystopia, the age I may change the future of the
• 1:00:30
  humanity. It looks very dark.
• 1:00:33
  It's possible path, but I think because of that, we need to put
• 1:00:38
  the effort now as you are. You understand that it's coming.
• 1:00:42
  So you are putting effort now to shape our future to the right
• 1:00:47
  direction. That's why your effort is all
• 1:00:49
  admirable. That's why I feel very honored
• 1:00:52
  and feel great about having this conversation today.
• 1:00:58
  And I have a hope that this is also the way I can contribute
• 1:01:02
  back to this beautiful like the planet.
• 1:01:06
  And in my time, as I received so much luck and love, this is a
• 1:01:11
  little thing I can do so I can share and also get inspiration
• 1:01:15
  from you. I want to start with the words
• 1:01:19
  with the love that when I received a ton of love while I
• 1:01:24
  was running company knew him as Ceoi did not know how I knew
• 1:01:29
  that. But now I know more.
• 1:01:31
  I would say the the, the, the beautiful mind of the collect
• 1:01:36
  collective, the love. Let me tell you about the
• 1:01:39
  episode and then I will tell you why.
• 1:01:43
  Because the Noom was helping users build a healthy habit and
• 1:01:48
  tackled very sensitive topic, which is weight.
• 1:01:51
  People don't talk about the weight, especially obvious and
• 1:01:55
  also overweight and also especially ladies.
• 1:01:57
  They don't talk about it because it's very stressful and they
• 1:02:01
  often failed to manage your weight before.
• 1:02:04
  That's why they came. So it's a very stressful topic.
• 1:02:09
  But as we guide our users to build a healthy habit.
• 1:02:12
  But how do we do that? By using psychology that we go
• 1:02:16
  root problem of the habit and often it's very personal.
• 1:02:21
  It's often very psychologically like there's a lot of unfinished
• 1:02:27
  the trauma that the trauma management or like impact on
• 1:02:34
  over their life. So we want to gently approach
• 1:02:39
  and cure that. And that way they can learn the
• 1:02:44
  healthy habit little by little and become that healthy habit
• 1:02:48
  became their norm. Then they ought to make a lose
• 1:02:52
  weight makes sense to you. Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  So because of the journey is so personal and so deep, I received
• 1:03:01
  so many countless letter by hands also e-mail from users
• 1:03:07
  because we touched millions of lies.
• 1:03:11
  So we even have a separate like dedicated channel that our
• 1:03:16
  lifestyle coach received so many letters and thank note and
• 1:03:21
  gratitude message. So we had a dedicated channel
• 1:03:25
  that we share the story of in the our what we call NUMA, their
• 1:03:30
  story and every day, easily 200 to 500 letters every single day.
• 1:03:37
  You know what we call that? A bizarre voice?
• 1:03:40
  Customer oxygen. Oh, you're breathing in the
• 1:03:45
  beautiful, beautiful, real share of customers.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah. So I cannot tell you how many
• 1:03:51
  times I went to that dedicated channel and read 1 by 1 and it
• 1:03:57
  takes like a sometimes one hour every day.
• 1:03:59
  Wow, so many and many times I cried.
• 1:04:04
  And we also had a very interesting episode.
• 1:04:07
  I want to share that we were we we were making our TV combo show
• 1:04:12
  and we were so start off. So we did not know we cannot
• 1:04:15
  hire just actor. We have to use our real user.
• 1:04:19
  If you want to say that our user.
• 1:04:21
  So we already had like site was a book, like everything was
• 1:04:25
  booked. And you know how it can be very
• 1:04:27
  expensive to hire the location and the the the production
• 1:04:33
  company. So we couldn't cancel.
• 1:04:34
  It was the last minute we had to secure our user right.
• 1:04:40
  So we send out just like an e-mail to our users that would
• 1:04:43
  you like to be on TV with your story and with the hope that can
• 1:04:47
  you get some right people And we just send an e-mail at night and
• 1:04:50
  then the next morning at like 8:00, I got a call from my COO.
• 1:04:54
  I can we have so many we can't even review these applications.
• 1:04:57
  Beautiful. Isn't that?
• 1:04:59
  And what we asked was using your smartphone, take a selfie video
• 1:05:03
  for like 1 minute over your store 1 less than 3 minutes.
• 1:05:06
  A video sent some in the story and most of the story were so
• 1:05:11
  touching and it was an interview, but I forgot that
• 1:05:15
  I'm, you know, being like who can be our model?
• 1:05:18
  Matter of fact, some story was so oust like so touching my
• 1:05:24
  heart. So actually I, I, I had a
• 1:05:28
  meeting with my, the, the business partner and I just
• 1:05:33
  played it. And then they were like very
• 1:05:36
  big, like Fortune 100 CEOs of group.
• 1:05:39
  And then we were and and there were 5 executive and they all
• 1:05:43
  cried. Wow.
• 1:05:45
  True story. They they they they, they.
• 1:05:48
  They just cried in 3 minutes. Wow, wow.
• 1:05:52
  That is amazing. That makes human great.
• 1:05:54
  I just want to point out yeah, so reason I'm sharing this
• 1:05:57
  because the amount of love that I received from the users and
• 1:06:02
  also our lifestyle coach that they are the people that they
• 1:06:05
  want to apply their, you know, dietitian background and
• 1:06:10
  psychology background want to help people.
• 1:06:13
  They are there using technology to get in contact with the users
• 1:06:17
  who struggle but they are like there to help them to build a
• 1:06:21
  healthy habit and motivate them. Beautiful minded people so.
• 1:06:27
  I can just imagine if anybody at Newham is having a bad day ever,
• 1:06:31
  they just go to this channel, correct, and just immediately go
• 1:06:34
  back up. 100%, yeah. So I just want to, I want to, if
• 1:06:39
  you don't mind, borrow this opportunity to say thank you to
• 1:06:43
  all the users who struggled with the weight.
• 1:06:47
  But they came to our platform to learn and then they realized now
• 1:06:51
  about the weight. It's about how to build a
• 1:06:54
  healthy habit and it's OK to learn from where they are.
• 1:06:57
  I want to say thank for their effort and also I want to say
• 1:07:01
  thank to our lifestyle coach at noon.
• 1:07:05
  I felt bad as we, we, we, I hired more than thousands.
• 1:07:10
  It became like a few thousands people.
• 1:07:12
  So it became like impossible to remember all the name.
• 1:07:16
  So I felt bad. But I want them to know that I'm
• 1:07:19
  forever thankful of their service and health and they have
• 1:07:23
  a beautiful mind. I, I really wish there is a way
• 1:07:26
  I can express better and my mess can be delivered to them who
• 1:07:30
  worked so hard to help lives. And last, this is actually the
• 1:07:34
  message that when I so in 2020, I think three, I stepped down
• 1:07:42
  and I became a ejected chair from CEO position.
• 1:07:46
  And that was one of the best decision I've ever made.
• 1:07:48
  After serving as CEO for 17 years, The my my message to my
• 1:07:55
  company was I just want to remind myself and to you that
• 1:08:00
  we've been helping a lot of strangers that we'll never, ever
• 1:08:04
  meet, that we don't know who they are, but we have helped.
• 1:08:09
  And I take a lot of pride. And I just wanted to remind our
• 1:08:14
  people that they put their gifted talent to build a service
• 1:08:19
  to saving lives and help them out.
• 1:08:21
  That's purely beautiful. Yeah, I just want to mention
• 1:08:24
  that. And how can I, it's very, yeah,
• 1:08:31
  it's a yeah, I like sometimes when I walk in Manhattan because
• 1:08:36
  we are a quite well known brand that our brand recognition is
• 1:08:39
  kind of like 45% to 50% America know our brand.
• 1:08:43
  We are household brand now. So if I may just shout out at
• 1:08:47
  the Penn Station, Hey, do you know Newham?
• 1:08:48
  I think probably four or five people out of 10 will say, Oh
• 1:08:52
  yeah, I heard about it. Yeah, right.
• 1:08:53
  Do I feel good about it? Absolutely yes.
• 1:08:55
  But did we impact on your life by using new service?
• 1:08:59
  And I think some people may say yes, that give me a lot of like
• 1:09:03
  joy and also gratitude and at the same time like it's hard to
• 1:09:09
  explain the love connection with the strangers.
• 1:09:13
  Yeah. So I want to say that and now
• 1:09:15
  answer a long way to answer your question but.
• 1:09:17
  Yeah, I love, I love that you shared that though, because this
• 1:09:21
  is capitalism at its best. This is conscious capitalism.
• 1:09:25
  You know which movement I've been involved in for a long time
• 1:09:28
  with John Mackey and and other dear friends.
• 1:09:31
  And it is capitalism at its best.
• 1:09:35
  And, and it, it really shows that you can be an artist with
• 1:09:41
  capitalism and you can create a ripple effect through society
• 1:09:49
  that's rooted deeply in love. And a lot of the best companies
• 1:09:54
  have done that, you know, they've, they've, they've
• 1:09:57
  started with that spark of an act of deep, deep love.
• 1:10:02
  And I think that it's important point to make because there are
• 1:10:07
  people that they don't know this about capitalism.
• 1:10:10
  They think, oh, well, they started the company just to get
• 1:10:13
  rich. That's the immediate thing that
• 1:10:16
  some people assume. It's way deeper than than that.
• 1:10:21
  I agree, especially when it becomes a durable business like
• 1:10:26
  like Newham that that divine spark that the business had of
• 1:10:32
  being very intentional about the soul of the company.
• 1:10:36
  This is a very special week for me.
• 1:10:37
  You don't know this, I don't think, but you know, on this
• 1:10:42
  week is the 14th anniversary of the bizarre voice IPO of when we
• 1:10:49
  took the company public, which which was an entrepreneurial
• 1:10:52
  dream come true. And you know, we're rated the
• 1:10:57
  the number one place to work in Austin when we're when we're
• 1:10:59
  large, then also when we're medium, when we're small.
• 1:11:04
  And the number one reason I can I can say why that was the case
• 1:11:09
  is because we were constantly focused on manifesting love
• 1:11:15
  within ourselves and within our customers.
• 1:11:18
  Absolutely, also within the people that touch the
• 1:11:24
  businesses, 'cause, you know, bizarre voice was in is I mean,
• 1:11:27
  it's very successful company today, but it it's embedded in
• 1:11:32
  almost all the e-commerce sites in the world where it's their
• 1:11:35
  customer views and people sharing their passion about the
• 1:11:38
  products they're buying or, you know, telling people to avoid
• 1:11:42
  those products, being very honest about them so people can
• 1:11:46
  make the right decisions. And you know, there were so many
• 1:11:50
  examples of it manifesting love and, and so anyways, it's a
• 1:11:56
  special week for me to be having this conversation with you.
• 1:11:59
  It's a special moment for me as well.
• 1:12:01
  Thank you very much. I as a we tech company that I
• 1:12:06
  also have everyone has interests about learning about AI, but
• 1:12:11
  that's because it's my occupation that understand how
• 1:12:15
  we can apply the latest technology to again deliver our
• 1:12:17
  company mission all that. So I have my point of view and
• 1:12:21
  because again, what I did through noon was helping people
• 1:12:25
  who has a lot of trauma or stigmatized experience about
• 1:12:29
  relate to look or weight or they most of our users expressed a
• 1:12:36
  also have some chronic condition, which meaning their
• 1:12:39
  health has been compromised a little bit.
• 1:12:41
  So they have the fear of losing health right further.
• 1:12:46
  So because of that experience, the way I see the the near
• 1:12:52
  upcoming AJ Wall era that once the AI personally I believe now
• 1:13:02
  2026, I believe it's not. I believe I forecast that within
• 1:13:10
  3, at least five in five years, I think a true AGI will arrive
• 1:13:18
  and once it arrive, then it will be very difficult to even
• 1:13:21
  measure the level of like how quickly the explosive growth of
• 1:13:30
  intelligence of Asia oneself and also among the other players.
• 1:13:37
  I, I much argue with your viewpoint that will that AGI
• 1:13:42
  occupy only one company. I don't think that way.
• 1:13:45
  Once the AGI launched, then their competitor will also catch
• 1:13:49
  up very quickly because of the benefit of AGI of others and AI
• 1:13:56
  will communicate among themselves without excluding
• 1:14:00
  human. Even if we we will do our best
• 1:14:04
  to control, I don't think it's possible.
• 1:14:09
  I think we can provide some guideline, but it will be very
• 1:14:12
  difficult to control the AI because that's a true AI.
• 1:14:18
  The true AI means it's very intelligence that human cannot
• 1:14:23
  possibly understand what that is.
• 1:14:27
  I think we will fortunately or unfortunately experience that
• 1:14:32
  quite soon. And when that time happened,
• 1:14:35
  meaning like the AGI will enter in that the the AGI looping
• 1:14:40
  system that the explosive growth of intelligence.
• 1:14:45
  It's also called recursive improvement, correct?
• 1:14:47
  Yeah. Unstoppable.
• 1:14:51
  And it will not be just hockey stick, it will be just like
• 1:14:54
  different dimension of like next next that the.
• 1:15:00
  Yeah, logarithmic, correct. Yeah, very exponential.
• 1:15:03
  Absolutely. Then what should we do?
• 1:15:06
  The human physical body will will not evolve that fast, but
• 1:15:12
  there are things that what make human great and beautiful such
• 1:15:18
  as love, empathy, consciousness, creating something new.
• 1:15:26
  Those are area that I've been paying attention quite a lot
• 1:15:30
  because what I have experienced from Noom that when they the
• 1:15:37
  user finally understand what was the root cause of the problem,
• 1:15:41
  often they hard on themselves or they had the wrong perception
• 1:15:45
  about the food or oneself or relationship wise.
• 1:15:49
  It's all psychotic matter. At the same time, it's very deep
• 1:15:52
  inner space such as spiritual area and relationship matters.
• 1:15:57
  Once they figure that and once they reestablish the
• 1:16:02
  relationship oneself with the food, with the spouse or with
• 1:16:07
  the coworkers, they got better even the and then they even lose
• 1:16:12
  weight. Why is that?
• 1:16:13
  Because they finally figure the noise in their life right noise
• 1:16:21
  what led and caused the noise in their life.
• 1:16:25
  Once they figure that, then they can truly become a owner and
• 1:16:29
  leader of their life and that will put them in the center and
• 1:16:35
  leave the life for with the maximum opportunity of a
• 1:16:38
  untapped the potential of talent.
• 1:16:41
  Remember my story that I came to United States that I purposely
• 1:16:45
  chose New York City because I want to reset and start from
• 1:16:48
  scratch. So that's all my experience and
• 1:16:50
  it's incredible, Johnny, that I'm very fortunate that I want
• 1:16:54
  our users also have the opportunity that they can
• 1:16:56
  discover the talent their own and utilize it and become better
• 1:17:03
  and enjoy and leave the life full.
• 1:17:06
  How nice is that? And what make human great?
• 1:17:09
  Human great is again, the love, the feeling of love, feeling of
• 1:17:14
  empathy and giving away helping others, community.
• 1:17:19
  This all come down to like conscious level of what make
• 1:17:24
  human great, unique and also continue to be a human.
• 1:17:32
  While we will not be able to even clearly measure the
• 1:17:37
  explosive growth of AJ era, I think I predict that we'll have
• 1:17:42
  we'll figure how we can coexist. AIAJI will become another
• 1:17:48
  species. I don't see that as a tool.
• 1:17:52
  I see that as a it will be regarded as a living creature
• 1:17:56
  and we will relatively quickly and our choice or we have to
• 1:18:01
  accept it. I hope there's a world that we
• 1:18:05
  can Co exists in this planet and in this cosmos universe and we
• 1:18:10
  can receive the best version of the AI can help the humanity,
• 1:18:16
  which is we receive the abundance of love and a free
• 1:18:20
  from the labor. But use that opportunity, time
• 1:18:23
  and resources for make human greater, such as again, build
• 1:18:29
  something new and share the love, have a full empathy to
• 1:18:34
  others and be mindful about consciousness, where we came
• 1:18:40
  from, where we are going, right? Think about it.
• 1:18:42
  Finally, we may have more time to think about it.
• 1:18:46
  We call that meditate, right? But again, we may finally, we
• 1:18:52
  can step off from this treadmill and have a moment and truly
• 1:18:58
  breathe in, smell the nature, Mother Nature, and understand
• 1:19:05
  who I am, what build who I am as a human and fully invest our
• 1:19:13
  time. Where am I going and what I can
• 1:19:17
  do today in this planet. Yeah.
• 1:19:22
  With others. Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  That's the path I'm thinking and hopeful for.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah. That AGI will set us free and
• 1:19:30
  liberate us. I very much believe in that
• 1:19:35
  path. I think that abundance for
• 1:19:40
  everyone on the planet is inevitable if we make a heart
• 1:19:47
  shift and choose that future because we're we're in an age
• 1:19:53
  where the take off is so exponential that our ability to
• 1:19:59
  imagine a future of unlimited energy, for example, you know,
• 1:20:03
  18 seconds of the sun's rays, if we just had the material science
• 1:20:08
  breakthrough to capture that powers the world for around a
• 1:20:12
  year, just 18 seconds. I mean, incredible.
• 1:20:15
  We have a, a sun that is going to last at least another billion
• 1:20:19
  years. And it is the, you know, God put
• 1:20:24
  it there as the bright. Nuclear fusion reactor in the
• 1:20:28
  sky and just like plug in, you know, we need to capture it,
• 1:20:33
  right? And and you know, and there's a
• 1:20:35
  lot of hope on that on that front.
• 1:20:37
  You already see it with solar energy starts with a massively
• 1:20:40
  declining price of solar. Being able to create a world
• 1:20:46
  like that is going to unlock so much potential.
• 1:20:49
  You can desalinate everywhere. You can bring abundance to
• 1:20:54
  countries like Chad where their GDP is $660 a person country in
• 1:20:59
  Africa versus in America we're at around $86,000 a person.
• 1:21:05
  You know, we have abundance that people can't imagine in many
• 1:21:10
  parts of the world in this country.
• 1:21:13
  And we have to, we have to choose that, that future.
• 1:21:17
  And the way I see it is we're in a period that, and this actually
• 1:21:24
  came to me in, in a, in a deep meditative journey where we're
• 1:21:29
  in this period where God is forcing us to make that choice.
• 1:21:32
  And the technology is, is, is manifesting and we're
• 1:21:37
  manifesting it, right. We have the free will to force
• 1:21:40
  us to make that fateful choice. And that's, that's what's that's
• 1:21:48
  what's upon us. I mean, and, and the stakes are
• 1:21:50
  really high, you know, for all of humanity for us to make this
• 1:21:54
  choice. And you know, you, you've really
• 1:21:57
  touched on this. So I want to go into this.
• 1:22:01
  You know, you and I have had deep discussions outside of this
• 1:22:05
  on what do we think the nature of this reality is?
• 1:22:10
  And the reason this matters is what is the nature of what makes
• 1:22:17
  us most human is really, really important in terms of this time.
• 1:22:23
  You know, there's already 9 nonprofits set up that are set
• 1:22:29
  up to give AI the same rights as human beings because quite a few
• 1:22:33
  people are already claiming it's conscious.
• 1:22:35
  And I think that there's a great episode of Love Conquers for
• 1:22:40
  episode 12, Why I really dove, or maybe it's 11.
• 1:22:44
  I dove deep on this with a kneel on why the current constructs of
• 1:22:50
  digital computers won't allow AI to become conscious.
• 1:22:53
  And that if, if, if we are able to do that in the future, it's
• 1:22:57
  going to be through quantum computing.
• 1:22:58
  And there's a whole I, I actually went really deep on
• 1:23:01
  that with Evan Alexander on episode 46, who authored proof
• 1:23:05
  of heaven. He's actually got a very
• 1:23:08
  technical background. He had the most transcendent
• 1:23:10
  near death experience. It was documented.
• 1:23:12
  See, see, it's all behind the veil that everything's rooted in
• 1:23:15
  love. But I'm just curious, you know,
• 1:23:18
  how do you, how do you view what the nature of our reality is?
• 1:23:23
  And, and the reason it's important is this is the time of
• 1:23:26
  the great philosophers coming. And it's that time where should
• 1:23:32
  be asking the big questions. Why are we here?
• 1:23:36
  Do we have a soul? Is there God?
• 1:23:39
  Is there heaven? And one of the things that I
• 1:23:43
  think is so exciting is with abundance for everyone on the
• 1:23:48
  planet that would feel like heaven on earth.
• 1:23:52
  Like imagine abundance in Chad, like where they're suffering to
• 1:23:57
  just get stable electricity, clean water.
• 1:24:01
  And that would be the ultimate unifying moment for humanity if
• 1:24:05
  we cared about all of all of us in this way where we recognize
• 1:24:11
  the divinity within, within us all and say, let's choose that,
• 1:24:16
  you know, let's not choose to use the most powerful technology
• 1:24:19
  we've manifested to continue to play this kind of power game or
• 1:24:25
  we're trying to, you know, create dominance over each
• 1:24:29
  other, you know, this country versus that country or whatever
• 1:24:32
  else. So, So I think technology is
• 1:24:34
  going to force us to make that fateful choice.
• 1:24:36
  It'll be the most important choice in humanity's future.
• 1:24:41
  I mean, it is the choice. I have a hard time to find the
• 1:24:44
  right words to reflect my emotion while careful listening
• 1:24:50
  your comment and your perspective of the the AI world
• 1:24:56
  and near future because I want to repeat your comment that it
• 1:25:03
  is the the great time for the philosopher and my I.
• 1:25:07
  I think lately I've been reading more about the philosopher, the
• 1:25:14
  book from like 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, and you know,
• 1:25:18
  like Buddha and how he commented and recent like the philosopher
• 1:25:25
  is like the reason is they did not have this the AGI AI,
• 1:25:34
  whatever technology we are talking about, even quantum
• 1:25:36
  physics. But what again, this make human
• 1:25:40
  great that they were in probably they were in a very the pinnacle
• 1:25:43
  of the humanly possible meditating moment, right?
• 1:25:47
  They they put the best effort to become like expert of the expert
• 1:25:51
  to become a deep, deep meditator.
• 1:25:55
  And then they so why is the reality and they had a comment
• 1:26:01
  such as is that flower is me or am I the flower right?
• 1:26:07
  Does flower exist if I don't recognize or prove this?
• 1:26:13
  If I don't recognize there's a flower, then will the flower is
• 1:26:17
  just in this planet in this universe.
• 1:26:22
  And also, like we in Eastern wall that where I grew up, that
• 1:26:29
  we often at the funeral wise men says like, don't cry for loss of
• 1:26:41
  your family, because the this world, the time that we have in
• 1:26:48
  this planet, this time is just is a it's a picnic or we we are
• 1:26:55
  just taking a nap. Mm, hmm.
• 1:26:56
  Mm hmm. I know it's very poetic, but
• 1:26:59
  it's also like maybe makes sense.
• 1:27:04
  What is long enough, right? 100 years old is long. 50 years
• 1:27:10
  old is enough. Yes, I think 100 years old is
• 1:27:13
  much better than 50 years old, right?
• 1:27:15
  But that's a human calendar, human time.
• 1:27:19
  But we think about this cosmos universe, the timeline, then it
• 1:27:26
  is hard to actually comment which one is longer and shorter
• 1:27:32
  because it's such a like I, I don't even I can't find any
• 1:27:37
  words like the what are we right all?
• 1:27:40
  Right. So all this big question that I
• 1:27:43
  have about soul who are we? What make us a great and what
• 1:27:52
  should we do? While this AI can mimic what
• 1:27:55
  human do well and they do either equally good or perform perform
• 1:28:01
  better for a lot of intellectual work, they actually perform
• 1:28:04
  quite good or even better and will become better.
• 1:28:08
  Then we need to redefine what make human as a human.
• 1:28:16
  And my humble comment is it's not about like, oh, we can
• 1:28:20
  perform this make human great. And that's why I'm paying
• 1:28:26
  attention lately. What make like the the feeling
• 1:28:32
  that it's hard to describe the feeling, the hard to digitize
• 1:28:39
  the experience. Exactly.
• 1:28:41
  I have treatment, respect and love to you, Brad.
• 1:28:43
  For instance, how can I digitize that?
• 1:28:47
  How can I transfer that exact failing to digital world that we
• 1:28:54
  created the digital world, right?
• 1:28:58
  It's very difficult. And also the mixed feeling of my
• 1:29:02
  for instance, my father who crossover the feeling is it is
• 1:29:11
  very difficult. Let me also give you another
• 1:29:13
  example of when I grew up in Korea.
• 1:29:17
  I'm sure it's the same in America too.
• 1:29:18
  Like every year is a new classmate and they don't tell us
• 1:29:23
  who is who, right? We figure once we finish our
• 1:29:26
  break and then summer break and we had a great time summer break
• 1:29:31
  and come back to school. Oh, I don't want to go back to
• 1:29:33
  school. But tomorrow is a, you know, new
• 1:29:36
  semester start, and I have a little like, positive energy of
• 1:29:41
  like, excitement because I'm curious about who is going to be
• 1:29:44
  my new classmate. Right.
• 1:29:46
  Remember. Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:29:48
  And when we go to school, you know, like the nostalgic, the
• 1:29:52
  the scenery, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:55
  I've been away for two months, but now I'm back to school
• 1:29:57
  again. This door, this bathroom, the
• 1:30:00
  water, you know, fountain water usual like the I know this guy,
• 1:30:06
  that guy, my friend's body and my new classmate and just like
• 1:30:10
  feeling good about nervous, right and also exciting and also
• 1:30:17
  like curious. It's all mixed.
• 1:30:20
  How would you describe this to AII think AI can actually will
• 1:30:26
  generate pretty good sentence and also literature out of that,
• 1:30:30
  but will they fully I'm not trying to like find a way AI
• 1:30:36
  would never understand this Ha ha.
• 1:30:37
  It's not my intention. It's just like I human I I'm
• 1:30:42
  even having a hard time to digitize that Yeah and how will
• 1:30:46
  they fully understand that Yeah. So again, again, my intention
• 1:30:51
  not like, oh, this only human exclusive.
• 1:30:54
  So we versus AI and machine. No right.
• 1:30:58
  But I do think that's the kind of clue that I have that this
• 1:31:02
  kind of curiosity and as I have noticed like we have, we are
• 1:31:07
  having this very discussion about what make us beautiful and
• 1:31:12
  why we need to talk about the love and spirit.
• 1:31:17
  All that is a big topic for most of the human as they get aged,
• 1:31:23
  right? And it's common questions and
• 1:31:25
  then it's very natural to have this conversation.
• 1:31:29
  And I think that's very powerful.
• 1:31:31
  And there is a clue and a good thing that AIAGI will also help
• 1:31:36
  us to think through, right as a quantum physics.
• 1:31:41
  Quantum physics has helped to understand how we understand
• 1:31:45
  Buddhist world like and how beautiful it is that the Eastern
• 1:31:51
  more than old enough than 2000 years old, the philosophy
• 1:31:55
  married to quantum physics. A lot of what they're saying is
• 1:31:59
  just makes sense and seems like the a lot of the scientists can
• 1:32:04
  also understand that and they speak what Buddhist is speaking
• 1:32:08
  right. Like that's like wow to me.
• 1:32:12
  And that gave me like the joy that I mentioned that yes, we
• 1:32:17
  are in the generation is very fortunate and could be
• 1:32:20
  unfortunate, but yes, fortunate that we may have a little better
• 1:32:25
  understanding than our former generation who didn't face this
• 1:32:29
  AIAGI because they will help us to understand better about dark
• 1:32:36
  matters in universe. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Quantum Physics. Yeah, dark energy.
• 1:32:41
  Yeah, dark energy, everything. And that will help us to
• 1:32:44
  understand better. And let me just have one of the
• 1:32:47
  comment that as Carl Sagan said, maybe the universe who created
• 1:32:52
  universe was curious to look at themselves.
• 1:32:55
  So they create a human. So we look at the sky and we put
• 1:33:02
  the airport effort to think about them and put the best
• 1:33:07
  effort of science or whatever or spiritual or meditate.
• 1:33:12
  But it all come to 1. They all come to one, either
• 1:33:19
  spiritual, religious people, the meditator or philosopher like
• 1:33:25
  you, entrepreneur, like you, capitalist.
• 1:33:29
  They all come down to 1. And now we look at the, the
• 1:33:34
  universe, the creator of us and how wonderful it is.
• 1:33:38
  It's, it's simply so beautiful. It is so maybe and we may have a
• 1:33:45
  little. Finally, we have a chance that
• 1:33:47
  we can actually have a bet on this than ever.
• 1:33:49
  Yeah, I mean that's something that was so beautifully said and
• 1:33:53
  and that's something that I don't think is discussed enough
• 1:33:58
  in this acceleration. Like the the easy thing that's
• 1:34:01
  discussed is, wow, look at how much more productive we're
• 1:34:04
  getting, etcetera. The, the, the thing that's non
• 1:34:07
  obvious is how much it's going to decode.
• 1:34:11
  What makes us most human? You know, we only know what 4%
• 1:34:16
  of the universe is made of. We call that matter 96%.
• 1:34:19
  We call dark energy and dark matter.
• 1:34:21
  You know, you, you talked about quantum physics.
• 1:34:24
  We know that, you know, the patriarchs of the field, like
• 1:34:27
  Max Planck became more spiritual when they saw like we're all
• 1:34:31
  connected, you know, and we know that quantum entanglement is
• 1:34:34
  real. You know, quantum computing
• 1:34:36
  doesn't work without it. So we're finding out that and we
• 1:34:40
  know 3 Higgs boson that, that there's a field, right?
• 1:34:43
  So we're finding out that that we all are connected.
• 1:34:47
  And I think that's incredibly beautiful.
• 1:34:51
  We're also finding out that our actual reality is rooted in
• 1:34:57
  love. And you know, that's, that's why
• 1:35:00
  I wrote that science fiction novel.
• 1:35:02
  I gave you the lattice. I wrote that as and people, you
• 1:35:07
  know, this is not a ploy to sell books.
• 1:35:08
  Like people can get the get that book for free on this podcast if
• 1:35:14
  they just watch episode 27. It's actually a fun way because
• 1:35:17
  I read it and then decode it for people.
• 1:35:20
  But in the lattice, you know, the the way I envisioned the
• 1:35:26
  years 2030 through 2085 playing out is that the protagonist, Dr.
• 1:35:31
  Alexander Bliss, who's a quantum chromodynamics physicist, which
• 1:35:36
  is origin of the universe kind of quantum physics.
• 1:35:39
  That's the people at CERN. He has this audacious idea to
• 1:35:44
  hook up people on brain computer interfaces and see the
• 1:35:47
  commonality between the spiritual masters, psychonauts,
• 1:35:51
  deep meditators, you know, people who are glimpsing what
• 1:35:56
  the reality is. And he discovers this lattice,
• 1:36:00
  this connective force rooted in love that that connects us all
• 1:36:05
  in the universe. And you know, that's another way
• 1:36:10
  to describe consciousness. But scientifically, it's proven
• 1:36:13
  in the year 2030. And that unites humanity in
• 1:36:18
  spirituality and science coming together.
• 1:36:21
  And as a result of that, we unite and have this
• 1:36:27
  unprecedented coordinated take off realizing, Oh my gosh, this
• 1:36:33
  is our actual reality. And for sure, the lattice is
• 1:36:38
  also a prayer for humanity. It's a hope, but it also could
• 1:36:44
  actually happen that way. You know, it doesn't have to be
• 1:36:48
  so dark and dystopian. I agree.
• 1:36:50
  For us to get there. This is why I'm a fan of your
• 1:36:54
  effort to creating this episode. And also we are talking about,
• 1:36:58
  yes, there's enough composition about how much AI can improve
• 1:37:02
  the efficiency of the work and also the productivity.
• 1:37:06
  I get that. But I think it's equally
• 1:37:08
  important that we can talk, we need to talk about like it and
• 1:37:11
  what's what about the consciousness and who we are and
• 1:37:15
  where we are going. I think it's very important to
• 1:37:17
  have this combustion right now while we are rapidly, rapidly
• 1:37:23
  adopting the AI technology. So you are absolutely correct.
• 1:37:27
  And I want to have a 2 episode I want to share.
• 1:37:31
  So recently I spoke with one of the leader of the, the engineer
• 1:37:37
  and product manager at like the leading AI company that you can
• 1:37:43
  guess. And I had a very deep discussion
• 1:37:46
  debate about like what make a great AGI.
• 1:37:50
  And there was a very intellectual conversation, very
• 1:37:53
  much like Silicon Valley type conversation at Silicon Valley.
• 1:37:57
  But after three hours conversation, I just had to, I
• 1:38:00
  dropped one question. So, so we were debating which
• 1:38:04
  mod is better, right? And how do they approach to
• 1:38:06
  build that better AI? And then I was just out of
• 1:38:11
  curiosity, what do you think about love?
• 1:38:13
  And that one question made pause and quiet and a little awkward
• 1:38:18
  like quietness like. And they go, So do I ask in love
• 1:38:22
  out of sudden? Like we all talk about how to
• 1:38:24
  make a better AI engine, all that I know.
• 1:38:27
  And I just remind them, hey, I run the company, one of the
• 1:38:30
  largest and we are using AI. We are one of the large client
• 1:38:34
  of you too. So don't worry about it.
• 1:38:36
  And I have enough, like my professional like brain has been
• 1:38:40
  adopting and we are thinking about it, like how to use AI all
• 1:38:43
  the time. But I'm just curious as a human
• 1:38:46
  brother, what about the love? And they were like love.
• 1:38:51
  And they were like, they struggle to answer that.
• 1:38:54
  So I said, I'm not giving you a hard time.
• 1:38:58
  What matters to your life? What matters to your life?
• 1:39:03
  Are you looking for a love? Is it?
• 1:39:04
  Yeah, absolutely. Good.
• 1:39:07
  Let's talk about your family. Let's talk about your girlfriend
• 1:39:10
  and your wife. And then instantly the
• 1:39:13
  conversation, the energy has changed because there's no
• 1:39:18
  comparison like an which family has a more love than my family.
• 1:39:22
  It's not like that. It's not measurable.
• 1:39:26
  And then I question ourselves that I've been thinking about
• 1:39:32
  this, even I told so lately I when I visited my South Korea, I
• 1:39:37
  usually visit and during the Christmas season, I met my Ma,
• 1:39:41
  my and the family in South Korea, my sisters and I had a
• 1:39:45
  very like kind of kind of awkward conversation.
• 1:39:48
  I said, I have to say something before I leave and return to
• 1:39:51
  United States again. And what about season usual
• 1:39:54
  usual like dinner time, right, family dinner time.
• 1:39:57
  I just want to say I love you. And they all like a laugh in a
• 1:40:02
  good way. Oh yeah, of course we love this
• 1:40:04
  Asia. But I said no, I won't have a
• 1:40:07
  moment that I want to say I will.
• 1:40:10
  I love you timeless, unconditional.
• 1:40:15
  And these words does not apply to human timeline and human
• 1:40:20
  dimension. I just say it and I'm very
• 1:40:24
  privileged. I can say it live.
• 1:40:26
  And they, they were like so quiet and they, they all cried.
• 1:40:32
  And I said, I mentioned why I mentioned, I told them why I
• 1:40:35
  have to say it because like you said Brad that I am a believer
• 1:40:42
  that AI will give us a more understanding about how this
• 1:40:45
  universe is construct and not everything, but will give us a
• 1:40:49
  better ideas. Yeah.
• 1:40:51
  And that will give us more like, oh, and also wow, and also like
• 1:40:56
  a love because we'll get close to the creator and that means
• 1:41:01
  we'll have a a little better understanding about what made us
• 1:41:07
  and what make us and who we are better understanding.
• 1:41:12
  I think that's a very natural question that we supposed to
• 1:41:16
  think. And when we think about it, it's
• 1:41:18
  very sacred. And it's somehow when we think
• 1:41:22
  about that, always somehow the love arrives, Yeah.
• 1:41:28
  When we think about who we are in origin, then love comes.
• 1:41:32
  Yeah. I don't think people think about
• 1:41:33
  who am I and all that. And all of a sudden, like some
• 1:41:36
  dark energy comes out of it, Right.
• 1:41:38
  Right. When you get close to think
• 1:41:39
  about to meditate or make us and who we are, Yeah.
• 1:41:44
  There's a lot of gratitude and love.
• 1:41:46
  So I mentioned the two people in Silicon Valley who developed the
• 1:41:49
  latest AI model and then that conversation changed completely
• 1:41:55
  the focus and we stayed to have the conversation and, and then a
• 1:42:00
  few days after they contact me, said Sage.
• 1:42:04
  That was the most memorable, the moment, not the chasing the AI,
• 1:42:11
  right? It was a moment and it left the
• 1:42:13
  question to their life, which I appreciate.
• 1:42:16
  And we continue to discuss about that.
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  That's no more #2 episode. I want to share that last year
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  in 2025, honestly, I actually don't know why, but I had a
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  vision that I wanted to put together the culture to invite
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  people because yes, we have a lot of access to watching
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  seminar and podcast, all that. But people still try like travel
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  and they come and put the effort to get together and gather and
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  offline in the real world. Yeah.
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  Why to get inspiration then why do they need the inspiration?
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  Who are seeking for inspiration? Often they have they are they
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  are looking for a better life or they are building something.
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  Often they are founders or they are into startups or they are
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  creators or like like an artist. So I appreciate that.
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  And I had the vision that what if I put together all these
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  people into one place. And also because I'm Korean,
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  Korean culture has been rising quite a lot in terms of food and
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  K pop and cosmetics lifestyle. So I put together as a Korean
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  culture based South by Southwest event in New York City,
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  Manhattan last year. And it was quite successful.
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  I named it Goom Festival KOOM. That means dream.
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  Yeah, yeah. I put together it.
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  Is a dream come true? Exactly that was heavily
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  inspired by Handycraft Fellowship there.
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  So I I joined handicraft fellowship and they taught me so
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  much how to use the success to you success to significance to
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  impact. So last part impact is the the
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  mission and action oriented like the leadership program and I
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  apply that and the GOOM came to the world so dream.
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  So I created it with 70 volunteers.
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  The 70 volunteers, every individuals are often like
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  founders or students or working for big companies and they came
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  and they helped because they won't help the community.
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  And that's beautiful. By doing so the by actioning
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  that we were able to create a very positive love energy among
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  the group. Like 13,000 people came and that
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  crowd, incredible energy. And that was, that was the first
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  year, first year 13,000, the movement.
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  It's amazing, yeah. Thank you brother.
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  So I call that that is that that is one of the good example what
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  make human great that we gather we we were not looking for a
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  world best something. We were looking for do something
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  together and create a stage that we give a stage that people can
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  speak about their story, either entrepreneur story or artist
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  story and we give our time to see their story.
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  That was incredible community and what make human grade
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  comrade spirit be together and again, we we create our stage
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  that people can put together something from none to something
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  right. So that's kind of like founder
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  spirit artist and the love. Oh my God, I witnessed that was
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  beautiful and I became a believer and also optimistic
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  person about this AR era that yes, we human will seek out this
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  type of movement that we'll get together and we'll create a
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  stage. Yeah, the community and people
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  cheer for. Oh, you are doing great.
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  What's your story? Let me take a look.
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  What are you working on? Oh, wow, I think that's great.
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  I think that make humanity alive and also boost the next level.
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  Why we can, we can get the help from the AI, the abundance of
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  the support from resource and also very easy to build
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  something with the support of the AI and robot.
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  So that's the area at the time is coming soon.
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  So because of that reason, I'm very optimistic overall.
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  It's it's beautiful to see your heart and do this with you.
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  Huge Congrats on Kum your Henry crown project.
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  As you know, love conquers fear is my Henry crown project.
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  That world was my my first and ServiceNow bought the company on
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  July 7th of last year, which is my divine number is 7 special
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  week because 7 * 214. So here we are recording this on
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  the week of the 14th anniversary of Bizarre Voices IPO.
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  And I'm just want to tell you, you know, I love you and I'm
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  just so honored to have you as a friend and as a, as a real soul
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  brother to me. And I just really, I appreciate
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  you so much. You've been a great mentor to me
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  and you only gave me the love. Thank you and I cannot thank you
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  enough. Well.
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  Thank you. I hope I can do good to your
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  party movement and I'm trying to put together the good energy
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  community and we plug in together.
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  I think that can also make the greater impact to the community
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  and this planet. That's simply nice.
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  I'm certain we've done a lot each other.
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  Well, and I, you know, I will just say, don't ever
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  underestimate the power of a question.
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  And that question you asked that had a product could be a
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  defining moment for AI, for this movement and for their whole
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  life. And so, you know, you are a part
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  of love conquers fear that is acting.
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  And so, you know, it takes enough of us asking questions
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  like that, bringing intentionality like that,
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  bringing love into our businesses, bringing love into
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  AI to steer the ship towards the best outcome for humanity.
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  I agree and I much agree that we lead with the love will impact
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  on AI, yes, because they will correspond the way human use AI
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  adults the way what we wish to have.
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  That's right. And if it's more love versus
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  fear, I believe the AI will evolve that past too.
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  Yeah, yeah. So it'll become a love more
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  focused, rather fear focused. Yeah.
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  It's kind of like it's like again, I often think about Star
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  Wars. How how would you like use a
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  force? Maybe if I may, yeah, I'm still
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  thinking a lot, but maybe universe they universe may not
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  judge what it's right or wrong. Universe do not, it's not they
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  don't care. It's a human thinking that we
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  think this is right, this is wrong, this is a good, this is
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  evil. That's human thinking, I think.
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  But universe is giving the opportunities, resources, dark
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  matter that what we don't even know, right?
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  And we'll have a hard time to understand.
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  It may take like billion years, I don't know, but at least while
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  we have a little access and a little decode, that's a gift.
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  And then how we put the right intentions and trying to
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  understand consciousness and correspond that way we can make
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  an impact to AI. Whether we passively follow
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  whatever AI will do, we have no choice.
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  I think that's very dangerous thinking, right?
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  I'm not saying we can control it.
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  Country is a such a strong words.
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  I think it's not a control. It's about like how we inspire
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  and influence and that way we can call it just.
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  That's very beautifully said. And and I think you're going to
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  love the lattice because that's how it plays out.
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  And we heal the Earth, you know, we create a healed jewel.
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  And then as a result of that, we get access to the rest of the
• 1:50:38
  universe, which is so incomprehensibly infinite.
• 1:50:42
  You know, as far as we know, there are hundreds of billions
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  of galaxies. Just comprehending what a Galaxy
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  is is so hard to even comprehend.
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  But yeah, I really appreciate your heart.
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  Thank you so much, brother, for being a part of this.
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  And, and thank you so much for our friendship.
• 1:51:00
  I just feel so honored to know you.
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  On his mind, think about from galaxy's perspective like an as
• 1:51:06
  you said very well, this is the way you take like told my mom
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  and my wife and my son yeah, think of how many billions of
• 1:51:12
  galaxies out there. Yeah.
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  And I also explain again what they means each Galaxy.
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  Yeah. So it's countless.
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  Yeah. It's a meaningless to count.
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  Yeah, yeah. And imagine, think about the
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  chance. Yes, we could meet.
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  Yeah, in this world, in this life, I can.
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  What we call touch. Yeah, that's right.
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  It's incredible. Yeah, I mean, that's the future
• 1:51:37
  that awaits. We just have to choose it and
• 1:51:40
  guide the ship wisely. And the next 10 to 15 years, the
• 1:51:43
  most defining. So thank you so much for today's
• 1:51:46
  session. Thank you out of this art.
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  Yeah, you came to New York City and captured the moment, our
• 1:51:52
  beautiful hours to, you know, have the moment to think about
• 1:51:57
  the future together. It's my absolute honor.
• 1:51:59
  And thank you so much for giving your love.
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  Just so you know, I knew it was all going to work out when you
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  sent me the photo of the Blizzard that hit, I think on
• 1:52:09
  Monday. I was in DC and I just knew it
• 1:52:12
  was going to work out. And you know, then the train was
• 1:52:16
  completely, perfectly on time from DC to New York City.
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  I got to see a beautiful Strings performance by a nonprofit that
• 1:52:25
  is funding artists coming into these spaces in DC.
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  So this has been a really beautiful week.
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  And last night's dinner was was amazing.
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  So huge shout out to Alexa for hosting them.
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  Thank you very much. It's a beautiful moment.
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  All right, everybody, you saw say Jew's heart, and now you
• 1:52:43
  know exactly why I wanted to have them on.
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  Love conquers fear. Thank you so much for all the
• 1:52:49
  love you're sending my way. It happens multiple times a day
• 1:52:54
  now, and it's clear that people are having a heart shift and
• 1:52:59
  tuning into different books that are recommended on the podcast.
• 1:53:04
  And that is the joy in doing this.
• 1:53:08
  It's going to take us all. Team humanity all the way and
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  don't underestimate the power of just one person out there
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  listening to this, having a heart shift and then the way
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  that that can impact our whole future.
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  So thank you. Thanks for being a part of this.
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  Continue to share it if you feel so moved.
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  I'm self funding this. This is my love letter to
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  humanity and thank you so much.