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- 0:00Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews. You need to start
- 0:05Speaker 1: your day and you're listening to the West Carrol Morning.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Show Tuesday morning. At ninth day of December. I'm Wes,
- 0:14Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. We have entered into tech week
- 0:18Speaker 2: for the Nutcracker Ballet. I told you yesterday we got in,
- 0:22Speaker 2: but that yesterday was moving into the River Center. We
- 0:25Speaker 2: got shows coming up at the end of the week
- 0:27Speaker 2: on into the weekend, and your chance to see the
- 0:30Speaker 2: annual tradition that is the Columbus Ballet's presentation of The Nutcracker.
- 0:35Speaker 2: It's Saturday and Sunday. There you go. Get your tickets now.
- 0:38Speaker 2: You can get them from the River Center box office,
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- 0:58Speaker 2: get them through one of those three places that I
- 1:00Speaker 2: just told you. So keep that in mind. And we
- 1:03Speaker 2: are officially in the building now the Columbus Ballets presentation
- 1:10Speaker 2: has taken over the River Center and we are tonight
- 1:15Speaker 2: will be our first rehearsal in the building. This is
- 1:17Speaker 2: when it gets real, when you're on stage, and this
- 1:21Speaker 2: is when it all comes together, all the work, everything
- 1:25Speaker 2: we've been doing to prepare for this show, to put
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- 1:31Speaker 2: the building, and then we get into shows later this week.
- 1:36Speaker 2: So I hope you'll join us for the Saturday or
- 1:39Speaker 2: Sunday presentation of the Nutcracker Ballet. Now, if you're one
- 1:43Speaker 2: of the school show. If you're and they actually did
- 1:46Speaker 2: a show in Manchester this past weekend. I don't think
- 1:50Speaker 2: I mentioned that yesterday. But it's a small stage and
- 1:55Speaker 2: my character Mother Ginger does not fit on the stage
- 1:58Speaker 2: in Manchester. It is a very difficult thing to pull off.
- 2:04Speaker 2: I am in a very very large dress on stilts.
- 2:08Speaker 2: There's not really a backstage or wings area there where
- 2:11Speaker 2: the show is done. It's a challenge. I'm sorry to
- 2:13Speaker 2: the people of Manchester. I would love to have been
- 2:16Speaker 2: at the show, but that one's done. We have a
- 2:19Speaker 2: show of Friday morning for the school kids. We have
- 2:21Speaker 2: a show Friday evening that one is not open to
- 2:25Speaker 2: the public. Neither is the show for the school kids.
- 2:29Speaker 2: If your kids are going to the show on Friday morning,
- 2:32Speaker 2: they will get to see it. And again, I am
- 2:35Speaker 2: working Columbus State University's graduation that morning, so Mother Ginger
- 2:39Speaker 2: won't be It's a condensed version of the show for
- 2:43Speaker 2: the school show on Friday morning, but I will not
- 2:46Speaker 2: be part of that show either. I'm really disappointed. But
- 2:49Speaker 2: Saturday Sunday, come see us at the River Center. I
- 2:53Speaker 2: want to quickly mention to you again we're into this.
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- 5:36Speaker 2: that term before, but it probably would. All Right, today,
- 5:39Speaker 2: I want to talk to you a little bit about
- 5:42Speaker 2: we got this Luigi Mangione guy. He's been in court.
- 5:47Speaker 2: They've been arguing about some of the evidence that was
- 5:51Speaker 2: gathered when he was arrested. He is the suspected United
- 5:55Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO assassin. Okay, talked a lot about this guy.
- 6:03Speaker 2: I have talked a lot about the strange fixation on him,
- 6:10Speaker 2: the concerns that I have about this hero that he
- 6:15Speaker 2: has become.
- 6:16Speaker 1: To some.
- 6:19Speaker 2: It's a weird thing that we have done as a society,
- 6:22Speaker 2: and I've not, and I know there's an age thing
- 6:25Speaker 2: where this may be happens. I remember when I was young,
- 6:28Speaker 2: when I was a teenager, seemed like every time something
- 6:31Speaker 2: negative happened in the world, there was blame that was
- 6:35Speaker 2: shifted to video games and movies, and it sometimes TV shows,
- 6:44Speaker 2: dungeons and dragons got blamed. A lot of those things
- 6:47Speaker 2: would get blamed, and I always just kind of rolled
- 6:50Speaker 2: my eyes, like, come on, that's not really what's going on.
- 6:53Speaker 2: And I'm trying as I slip into you know, I
- 7:00Speaker 2: entered my fifties at fifty years old, and as we
- 7:04Speaker 2: Gen xers make that move into that phase of middle age,
- 7:11Speaker 2: trying to gauge where we are when it comes to
- 7:16Speaker 2: at least with entertainment and video games. Look, we have
- 7:20Speaker 2: some violent video games. There's a lot of games where
- 7:23Speaker 2: people are shooting each other in head shots, and you know,
- 7:28Speaker 2: cutting up grandmas with chainsaws or whatever is grown up.
- 7:32Speaker 2: So wasn't it throwing them off the boat or whatever
- 7:35Speaker 2: that was that game that they were supposedly playing where
- 7:36Speaker 2: they were kind of mocking it. I don't think there's
- 7:39Speaker 2: an actual cutting up grandma's game. Pretty sure that that
- 7:44Speaker 2: is that is not the case. But anyway, so video
- 7:50Speaker 2: games certainly will have a share of this. I've been
- 7:54Speaker 2: I was talking to some kids recently that are actually
- 7:57Speaker 2: going to be in the Nutcracker Show, and one of
- 8:01Speaker 2: them made a joke about, oh, everybody plays Fortnite, and
- 8:04Speaker 2: I looked at this kid kind of funny, and they said,
- 8:06Speaker 2: I'm just joking. I don't play Fortnite, And I believe
- 8:10Speaker 2: this kid doesn't play Fortnite, but the fact that it's
- 8:12Speaker 2: such a part of, you know, the ecosystem, and that's
- 8:17Speaker 2: not even like the hot game right now, but kids
- 8:19Speaker 2: are still playing it. So you have these shooter games,
- 8:22Speaker 2: these first person shooter games, you have some very violent games. Obviously,
- 8:27Speaker 2: things like Grand Theft Auto have been out there for
- 8:30Speaker 2: a while, and there is definitely a potential for that
- 8:37Speaker 2: stuff to have negative effect on some people. I don't
- 8:39Speaker 2: know how many it has a negative effect on. I
- 8:41Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know the statistics. I'm not a
- 8:45Speaker 2: video game mindologist. I don't know how that works. I
- 8:51Speaker 2: know that for a long time, music was something that
- 8:53Speaker 2: people would say, oh, you listen to it backwards and
- 8:56Speaker 2: it tells you to go kill a guy or whatever.
- 8:57Speaker 2: And you know, I think most of the nonsense has
- 9:01Speaker 2: kind of been blown out of the conversation. But I
- 9:05Speaker 2: do think for a minute that maybe we should consider
- 9:09Speaker 2: a few things when it comes to this hero worship
- 9:12Speaker 2: for someone like Luigi Mangione now video games aside, just
- 9:17Speaker 2: because he shares a name of Mario's brother Luigi, that's
- 9:22Speaker 2: not the connection here at all. By the way, fun fact,
- 9:25Speaker 2: Mario's last name is also Mario, so his brother Luigi
- 9:29Speaker 2: is named Luigi Mario. Just in case you didn't know that.
- 9:32Speaker 2: Take that fun fact around with you. Let's I want
- 9:37Speaker 2: to just talk a little bit about TV and the
- 9:42Speaker 2: reason or film too, but especially TV we have done
- 9:47Speaker 2: I feel like for a long time, like in my childhood,
- 9:52Speaker 2: I think about when we had these sort of anti
- 9:56Speaker 2: hero types and I don't know that they're even qualified
- 9:59Speaker 2: fully is anti hero You had these standing up to
- 10:03Speaker 2: the establishment type. You had the Bandit from Smoking the Bandit.
- 10:09Speaker 2: You had the Dukes of Hazzard. Okay, now, obviously the
- 10:12Speaker 2: Dukes of Hazzard you're talking about a corrupt system and
- 10:15Speaker 2: then they're trying to fight against them, and they very
- 10:18Speaker 2: much kind of painted them as you know, Robin Hood.
- 10:22Speaker 2: It's right there in the theme song. And then with
- 10:26Speaker 2: Smoking the Bandit, you know they're trying to do this thing,
- 10:28Speaker 2: they know it's illegal technically. You know, the police that
- 10:33Speaker 2: are chasing them, including Sheriff Buford t Justice. They're portrayed
- 10:39Speaker 2: as the bad guys, but they're really not. They're just
- 10:42Speaker 2: doing their jobs. Now, does Bufford go a little too far?
- 10:45Speaker 2: Of course, goes out of his jurisdiction and all that
- 10:48Speaker 2: fun stuff makes it a personal vendetta. And those are
- 10:53Speaker 2: the kind I know there are others, but those are
- 10:55Speaker 2: kind of the ones that when we think back to
- 10:58Speaker 2: a certain period of time seventies, early eighties, my childhood's
- 11:04Speaker 2: that was the rebellious nature of it, right. And with
- 11:09Speaker 2: Smoking the Bandit, it was a movie, and then it
- 11:11Speaker 2: was a sequel, and then it was a terrible yet
- 11:14Speaker 2: amazing to watch Part three some one of my favorite
- 11:20Speaker 2: movies of all time, and it's horrible, but it's great
- 11:24Speaker 2: because it's horrible. But that was kind of that was
- 11:28Speaker 2: kind of standing up to the system, you know, and
- 11:32Speaker 2: then you had the movie and then it was done
- 11:34Speaker 2: and then you got on with your life. Now we
- 11:37Speaker 2: have this and I'm kind of basing some of this
- 11:41Speaker 2: on conversation the creator of the show Breaking Bad has
- 11:46Speaker 2: recently addressed the fact that we have done a lot
- 11:49Speaker 2: of this anti hero thing. We've got a lot of
- 11:52Speaker 2: these Walter Whites, or think about the Shield, think about
- 12:00Speaker 2: Tony Soprano. There are a number of these characters that
- 12:05Speaker 2: we are told to look up to, and then we
- 12:08Speaker 2: see them. We spend time with them, not just for
- 12:13Speaker 2: two hours. We're spending a week in and week out
- 12:18Speaker 2: with them. And it goes on for you know, sometimes
- 12:23Speaker 2: like twenty episodes, and then you get a break, and
- 12:27Speaker 2: then they come back, and then you do it again
- 12:29Speaker 2: for like twenty up and then this goes on for
- 12:31Speaker 2: sometimes like ten seasons. And I guess I'm just wondering
- 12:38Speaker 2: where the lines are anymore. And I'm not specifically blaming.
- 12:44Speaker 2: And by the way, Sopranos Breaking Bad among the arguably
- 12:51Speaker 2: the two best TV dramas in the history of television.
- 12:55Speaker 2: They're they're fantastic. Better call Saul right there with it
- 13:00Speaker 2: just part of the whole Breaking Bad story. It's a
- 13:02Speaker 2: separate series all so fantastic, and also someone who you're
- 13:08Speaker 2: pulling for even though you shouldn't be pulling for him.
- 13:12Speaker 2: Shields also very good. I don't want to discount that.
- 13:16Speaker 2: It's just interesting to me that there's that difference between
- 13:22Speaker 2: and I'll say another show that I really like, Justified.
- 13:25Speaker 2: You have a marshal, a deputy marshall who is, you know,
- 13:31Speaker 2: kind of not afraid to kind of cross the line
- 13:33Speaker 2: a little bit when he's right, but he's not the
- 13:38Speaker 2: villain in the show. Walton Goggins plays in the villain
- 13:41Speaker 2: in the show, and he's fantastic and again hard not
- 13:44Speaker 2: to pull for him. You get heroes like Dexter in
- 13:48Speaker 2: shows this is sort of this is a thing now
- 13:52Speaker 2: where we're in Dexter just won't go away, Dexter ended,
- 13:56Speaker 2: and it just keeps coming back. But we don't, uh,
- 14:01Speaker 2: we don't ever really fully break away from some of
- 14:03Speaker 2: these characters. And I just wonder, is that there is
- 14:06Speaker 2: that part of this, this idea, this notion that we
- 14:11Speaker 2: are truly now so used to rooting for villains that
- 14:19Speaker 2: when we get someone who's accused of murdering someone in
- 14:23Speaker 2: cold blood and now he's in there's people outside when
- 14:29Speaker 2: he goes it's into court each day, they're cheering him on,
- 14:31Speaker 2: they're wearing Luigi Mario hats. They are still celebrating this
- 14:36Speaker 2: guy because he murdered someone allegedly according to the according
- 14:43Speaker 2: to the authorities. So and we know what happened with
- 14:49Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. We know where that nonsense went and how
- 14:53Speaker 2: quickly it went there. It did that for both of
- 14:56Speaker 2: these guys, how quickly it went to celebrating it. Because
- 15:03Speaker 2: we have done this thing where we have decided that
- 15:08Speaker 2: anyone who stands in our way, anyone who doesn't agree
- 15:11Speaker 2: with us, anyone who doesn't support the things that we support,
- 15:16Speaker 2: is evil, deserves to die because they are bringing about
- 15:22Speaker 2: And then you fill in the blank the end of democracy,
- 15:26Speaker 2: on set of fascism, the Hitler, they're going to be Nazis,
- 15:35Speaker 2: all of the things that you think about. Oh well,
- 15:39Speaker 2: if you could go back in time and you could
- 15:41Speaker 2: kill Hitler, think of all the lives you could have saved.
- 15:45Speaker 2: That mindset has now crept into this everyday thing where
- 15:51Speaker 2: you see, oh, someone's been accused of murdering someone their hero.
- 15:56Speaker 2: It happened with the Marvel franchise. It happened with the
- 16:01Speaker 2: villain Thanos pretty clear cut. He wants to kill half
- 16:06Speaker 2: of all existence in all the universe. And there were
- 16:11Speaker 2: people in the end saying, hey, Thanos was right, we're
- 16:14Speaker 2: overpopulated here, What what are we talking about? I mean,
- 16:19Speaker 2: there was definitely a little metaphor there into planned parenthood.
- 16:22Speaker 2: There was a lot of stuff that you could have
- 16:24Speaker 2: read from it, and I think maybe that's why people
- 16:26Speaker 2: were drawn to him, and that you start getting into
- 16:29Speaker 2: some eugenics type themes. That's a conversation for another time
- 16:34Speaker 2: and another show. I'm concerned. I continue to be concerned
- 16:39Speaker 2: at the fact that we have people that are still
- 16:42Speaker 2: celebrating Luigi Mangioni, the accused. I'd be clear on that
- 16:48Speaker 2: who's facing charges for murder? And I'm not going to
- 16:53Speaker 2: say I just think it's interesting that the creator of
- 16:56Speaker 2: Breaking Bad, and this was the thing he pointed out
- 16:58Speaker 2: is that we need more actually good guys. And I
- 17:01Speaker 2: don't remember the exact quote, but it was some version
- 17:04Speaker 2: of we need a little less Walter White, a little
- 17:07Speaker 2: bit more Andy Taylor. And I thought that was an
- 17:10Speaker 2: interesting quote coming from the guy who gave us Saul
- 17:13Speaker 2: Goodman and Walter White and all of the characters Mike
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- 21:00Speaker 2: how do you hang the lights on your Christmas tree?
- 21:04Speaker 2: Are you doing the horizontal go around the tree? Not
- 21:08Speaker 2: really horizontal because you're kind of working your way either
- 21:11Speaker 2: down or up right. I guess typically they work their
- 21:13Speaker 2: way up because the power cab on everything's at the bottom.
- 21:18Speaker 2: Or do you go vertically top to bottom. Well, both
- 21:23Speaker 2: methods work, but experts say that if you're doing it horizontally,
- 21:27Speaker 2: you're doing it wrong. And ultimately what's important is that
- 21:33Speaker 2: you have lights on the tree and they look fabulous.
- 21:35Speaker 2: That's all it really matters. But experts say that vertical
- 21:40Speaker 2: is the way to go. And here's some of the
- 21:42Speaker 2: reasons why. First, they say the tree will have better coverage,
- 21:46Speaker 2: therefore end up needing fewer lights. Also, the lights will
- 21:51Speaker 2: be less likely to get tangled and caught up in
- 21:53Speaker 2: branches and ornaments, making them easier to take down after
- 21:57Speaker 2: the holidays. And if you want a fishing see in
- 22:00Speaker 2: a modern, evenly lit look, they say go vertical. And
- 22:04Speaker 2: that they say the more traditional warm look is horizontal.
- 22:09Speaker 2: All right, thoughts on this, I just on a whim
- 22:13Speaker 2: this year decided that I was going to make the change,
- 22:17Speaker 2: not specifically to vertical, but to vertical, but back and
- 22:23Speaker 2: forth vertical. So I've got lights that and I start
- 22:28Speaker 2: at the bottom and I work my way back and
- 22:29Speaker 2: forth up to the top, and it actually did work
- 22:33Speaker 2: out a lot better. It was a lot easier. And
- 22:37Speaker 2: I mentioned this the other day. We for for a
- 22:39Speaker 2: few different reasons, we have our tree on wheels, which
- 22:45Speaker 2: and we have a not one of those massive trees,
- 22:50Speaker 2: but for us, it's a pretty good sized tree. It
- 22:52Speaker 2: takes up a lot of space, so for us to
- 22:54Speaker 2: do the horizontal thing getting harder and harder to do that.
- 22:58Speaker 2: And we're by the way, we're we're artificial tree. I've
- 23:01Speaker 2: mentioned this, but we have a rather large bottomed artificial tree.
- 23:07Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing is pretty big. But again
- 23:11Speaker 2: we've been in people's homes that have, you know, ten
- 23:13Speaker 2: twelve foot trees and that's not us. But for us,
- 23:18Speaker 2: it's a pretty big, full tree, and it just doesn't
- 23:21Speaker 2: make any sense for us to do horizontal. We can
- 23:23Speaker 2: move it on the wheels, it's still difficult to get
- 23:27Speaker 2: around it, and I just thought it would be worth
- 23:29Speaker 2: the try this year, and it actually worked out I
- 23:32Speaker 2: think a lot better so far. Now we haven't taken
- 23:34Speaker 2: it down yet that way, but we'll see how all
- 23:36Speaker 2: that goes. We've talked about Christmas movies. I know we've
- 23:41Speaker 2: talked a little bit about Christmas music. By the way,
- 23:45Speaker 2: I did talk to you about Wammageddon and the song
- 23:50Speaker 2: Last Christmas. I did that show that morning, and then
- 23:53Speaker 2: that same day I forgot to mention this. That same day,
- 23:56Speaker 2: I went to Best Buy and I walked in the
- 24:01Speaker 2: door and within like five minutes of being in, there
- 24:04Speaker 2: was waym Last Christmas. So I was out pretty much
- 24:06Speaker 2: that fast. And you're gonna hear it. It's gonna happen.
- 24:10Speaker 2: I don't know that I've heard Mariah Carey yet this year,
- 24:12Speaker 2: to be honest, But so let's talk a little bit
- 24:15Speaker 2: about positivity and Christmas music. Some of the happiest Christmas songs,
- 24:22Speaker 2: and they say science has cracked the code for the
- 24:26Speaker 2: happiest Christmas songs, and you have to believe the science.
- 24:30Speaker 2: The science would never lie to you for the purposes
- 24:34Speaker 2: of financial gain. That would never ever happen. It would
- 24:39Speaker 2: only happen if there was also a critical election at state.
- 24:43Speaker 2: Not that that's happened, but I'm just saying that's the
- 24:45Speaker 2: only conditions that could possibly ever cause something like that
- 24:49Speaker 2: to happen. Music psychologist doctor Claire Renfrew listed I'm sorry,
- 24:54Speaker 2: listened to thousands. That's a typo, thousands of festive tunes
- 24:59Speaker 2: in discos that it comes down to a simple formula,
- 25:02Speaker 2: the song being in a major key. It needs to
- 25:05Speaker 2: be lively, and it needs to have vibrant vocals, a
- 25:08Speaker 2: tempo between one hundred and one hundred and forty beats
- 25:11Speaker 2: per minute. Say, this is where the science comes in.
- 25:13Speaker 2: And of course that's simple yet irresistibly catchy. And here
- 25:19Speaker 2: we go, according to science, the number one happiest Christmas
- 25:27Speaker 2: song of all time. I don't think it's going to
- 25:29Speaker 2: come as a shock when I tell you what it is.
- 25:32Speaker 2: It's not Mariah Carey, so relax on that she's at
- 25:35Speaker 2: number eleven. She didn't even make the top ten. Number
- 25:39Speaker 2: one on the list is Brenda Lee rocking around the
- 25:42Speaker 2: Christmas Tree. You can't go wrong. That's a solid number one.
- 25:47Speaker 2: Philly's Navidad is two jingle Bell Rock by Bobby Helms.
- 25:51Speaker 2: I didn't need to mention jose Feliciano, but all right
- 25:54Speaker 2: for Phillies. Michael Boo Blaze Holly Jolly Christmas is in
- 25:59Speaker 2: there at four. I wish it could be Christmas every day, wizard.
- 26:05Speaker 2: It's the most wonderful time of the year. Andy Williams.
- 26:08Speaker 2: I got a little issue with that one so high
- 26:10Speaker 2: on the list. It's fine, there's nothing wrong. It's a
- 26:12Speaker 2: classic and all those things. I just don't know how
- 26:14Speaker 2: happy I mean, it's all right. Sleigh Ride, Harry Connick Junior,
- 26:19Speaker 2: Santa Claus Coming to Town, Jackson five, Wonderful Christmas Time,
- 26:22Speaker 2: Paul McCartney and Wings and Underneath the Tree Kelly Clarkson.
- 26:28Speaker 2: In case you were wondering, Wham's Last Christmas is at
- 26:32Speaker 2: number fifteen and Happy Christmas War is over? Is it
- 26:38Speaker 2: actually Happy Xmas? No, it's Happy Christmas, but it's spelled
- 26:41Speaker 2: the next. John Lennon and Yoko Ono is nineteen, Little
- 26:47Speaker 2: Saint Nick by the Beach Boys, twenty three band Aids?
- 26:51Speaker 2: Do they know it's Christmas?
- 26:52Speaker 1: Is it?
- 26:53Speaker 2: Twenty four? Deck the Hall? Nat King Cole at twenty
- 26:57Speaker 2: five I skipped over some Those are kind of the
- 27:00Speaker 2: highlights in there. That'll do it for this Tuesday edition
- 27:03Speaker 2: of the show. Thanks to our sponsors and patrons. Thank
- 27:06Speaker 2: you for listening. I'll catch you back here tomorrow morning.
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