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An Eagles Season of Monumental Success! (PST Episode 600) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: What's going on, everybody. It's Jeff here. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: let you know that we recorded this podcast episode on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: January twenty second, twenty twenty five. By the time you
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  Speaker 1: hear this, some things may have changed here or there,
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  Speaker 1: but we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly
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  Speaker 1: sports podcast show in the world that's right over eleven
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  Speaker 1: and a half years strong. We've got a great show
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  Speaker 1: for you. This week, we are going to be getting
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  Speaker 1: into the Baseball Hall of Fame, talking about some of
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  Speaker 1: the former players who are inducted, who was not inducted
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  Speaker 1: as well, and if you go back in our podcast
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  Speaker 1: speed on our Table talk show. This past week, we're
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  Speaker 1: at the Redding Hot Stovers event where we talked to
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  Speaker 1: Sarge Yes Gary Matthews specifically about scouts in Major League
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  Speaker 1: Baseball should they be part of the Baseball Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame at some point down the road. We're also going
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  Speaker 1: to get into the Philadelphia seventy six ers and of
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  Speaker 1: course the Philadelphia Eagles as they are heading to the
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  Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game. Can this be deemed a successful season
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  Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm Jeff Warren, I'm here. My
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  Speaker 1: good Boddy, Eric Leonard, how are you doing, Eric, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say, like, the Phillies have had
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  Speaker 2: some awesome nicknames. Yes, I mean Sarge a fake. It's
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  Speaker 2: such a Sarge might be my favorite one. It just
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. It just matches his face for
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  Speaker 2: some reasons. I was looking at the pictures of the
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  Speaker 2: two of you and I wish I could have went,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it look that is one of the coolest
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  Speaker 2: events in the area that I've been to. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: love it.
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  Speaker 1: The Redding Hot Stovers want to again thank them for
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  Speaker 1: having the PSD podcast show out there to interview not
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  Speaker 1: only Sarge, but interview Veronica Alvarez, who's currently a coach
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  Speaker 1: with the Oakland A's. She is a world champion baseball
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  Speaker 1: player herself, and got to interview Buck Showalter as well.
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  Speaker 1: Buck Showalter a little shy, and I was actually told
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  Speaker 1: that prior to the discussion with him, like he's not
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  Speaker 1: not a big media guy, of course, but even in
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  Speaker 1: the intimate settings that we were in that he was a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, little shy. He was. Honestly, he was kind
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  Speaker 1: of timid too. And I was just like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to make you feel bad with anything.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I'm trying to think back, like one
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  Speaker 2: the first one I went to, maybe he just needs
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  Speaker 2: a couple of pops like Zinski, who was wide open
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  Speaker 2: to talk. Man, he was he was loose.
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  Speaker 1: He had like three drinks when we were talking to him.
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  Speaker 2: Know, he was putting him down and I talked about
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  Speaker 2: bars and reading and he would leave lit up. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, we got him here. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, and Jamie Moyer was super open, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Andre Dawson was a little timid. I feel was a
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  Speaker 2: little timid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that was the only one. The one.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone else was really like rare to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a it's always a fun event. And again, folks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily that you're gonna remember for it
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  Speaker 1: next year or remember it next year at this particular
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  Speaker 1: point in time. But every January, the Redding hot Stovers
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  Speaker 1: have their annual banquet out at the Double Tree Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: their rating Center City reading. It's always a great time
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  Speaker 1: and they got a great silent auction. I did not
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  Speaker 1: win anything. I was none too happy about that. However,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good time. Nonetheless here, so all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into this show. This week, the Baseball Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame has announced that there are three new inductees
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  Speaker 1: that were elected, Ichiro Suzuki, C. C. Sabbathia, and Billy Wagner.
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  Speaker 1: Eric Billy Wagner getting in year ten, you're shaking your head.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, you're like, oh, boy, he was in the
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  Speaker 1: Redding hot stovers last year. We weren't able to go
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  Speaker 1: last year, but he was there last year. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: finally got in year ten.
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  Speaker 2: We went through his stats. Was a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: you and I in the show, and if you looked
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  Speaker 2: at the other relievers that were in, it was an
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  Speaker 2: acceptable move to get him in there. But in the moment,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, I don't know about this because Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Jones didn't make it, Carlos Beltran still sitting there. It
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  Speaker 2: just felt kind of like, well, I guess we got
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  Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, any more chances does he have?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, who cares? Look at his stats?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was borderline and not the most exciting name.
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  Speaker 2: But the other two were most definitely deserving.
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Beltrand, I mean, look, I wish they could put
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  Speaker 1: a lot more of these guys in forgots. I just
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  Speaker 1: hate the way that this entire situation, they deal with
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  Speaker 1: this and the fact that and look, everybody's been complaining,
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  Speaker 1: bitching and moaning about it, Ichiro Suzuki getting ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: zero point seven percent vote percentage just because one jerk
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  Speaker 1: off wanted to make it all about them, wanted to
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  Speaker 1: make it all about them by saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I was the only one that didn't vote for each row,
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  Speaker 1: you piece of garbage, making it all about you. I
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  Speaker 1: just wish we could get more of these guys in,
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  Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you. Look, Andrew Jones, he
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  Speaker 1: should be in, Carlos Beltron should be in, Chase Audley
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  Speaker 1: should be in, and look, these guys will get in eventually.
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  Speaker 1: I just hate the entire process and how it plays out.
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  Speaker 2: Eric. Yeah, because I respect the writers that show their
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  Speaker 2: votes on Twitter. Yeah, I saw a couple of that
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  Speaker 2: last night, the guy from the Athletic did, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I like that, just showing what they with, who they
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  Speaker 2: voted for. I think at this point, Rivera's the only
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  Speaker 2: guy that got in unanimously, which the only one of
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  Speaker 2: shows that the process doesn't work is Yeah, Derek Jeter
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  Speaker 2: didn't get in first round, like first one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 2: come on, and he.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't unanimous either.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think Marianna Rivera is the only one. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just a joke. And I sent you guys last night.
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  Speaker 2: Eachro is like combined stats from Japan because he was
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  Speaker 2: a rookie of twenty seven with the Mariners. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: like he's the all time hits leader. If you had
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  Speaker 2: everything up, he had head of our three hundred home runs.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's it's it's incredible. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said to you guys too, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: thread for our buddies, I'm pretty sure the guy who
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  Speaker 2: didn't vote for Eachiro voted for Billy Wagner. I'm almost
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  Speaker 2: willing to, oh, yeah, money on it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. Look, I mean when you look at at
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  Speaker 1: each row and what he did a one two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and seventy eight hits with a three fifty three batting average,
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  Speaker 1: and that was when he was over in over in Japan.
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  Speaker 1: He comes to Major League Baseball in two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 1: His first season state side, he won Rookie of the
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  Speaker 1: Year and MVP while helping the Mariners to a major
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  Speaker 1: ly Baseball record one hundred and sixteen wins. So, I
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  Speaker 1: mean nineteen major League Baseball seasons, two batting titles, three
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  Speaker 1: thousand eighty nine hits, one four hundred and twenty runs,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred nine stolen bases, and a sixty wins above replacement.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, holy cow, how that How that one guy
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm just not gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not going to vote for each ro Oh god,
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  Speaker 1: what a what a jackass?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it screams either Yankees hater kind of yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like Yankees hater kind of rider. I'll just say, it's
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  Speaker 2: just some old white cragley guy that's just on his
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  Speaker 2: way out. He has two years left to before he retires,
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  Speaker 2: and he's just like I'm gonna I don't tell I
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  Speaker 2: don't count the Japanese stats. And it's like, well look
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  Speaker 2: at the real ones, right right, first ballot, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent Hall of Fame career. I mean, to me, he
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  Speaker 2: was always one of my favorites, non Philly I said.
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  Speaker 2: I think I said in the show he might be
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  Speaker 2: top three best player of all time. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: you if you really look at everything, like the enormity
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  Speaker 2: of his career. He's like, I mean, to me, he
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  Speaker 2: was like the Steph Curry of baseball. Yeah, He's like
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  Speaker 2: he was that guy that would come out and like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever you've seen footage of him,
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  Speaker 2: Like they'll line up five baseball bats at home plate
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  Speaker 2: and he'll he'll like do a drill where he no look,
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  Speaker 2: picks up the ball, turns and hits the bat from
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  Speaker 2: like full sixty feet. Yeah, like five in a row.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, how many guys can do that? Like
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  Speaker 2: he was doing Steph Curry trick shots, but in baseball, right.
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  Speaker 2: And he still shows up at spring training this day
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  Speaker 2: unannounced by himself and warms up with the team and
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  Speaker 2: consistently throws like eighty five miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible. It takes batting practice, he's hitting home runs.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that that guy one of a kind and
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  Speaker 2: should have been you know he I I Marian Vera
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  Speaker 2: is the greatest believer of all time. I think I
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  Speaker 2: think each row is one of the like one of
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  Speaker 2: the top three outfielders of all time, maybe just top
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  Speaker 2: three all time period. It's it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look, you know we were talking again. You had
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that we were texting with our bodies on our
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  Speaker 1: text thread, and we're talking about CC Sabathia as well. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally cool with Sabbathia getting in a nineteen year career,
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  Speaker 1: six time All Star, finished in top five of cy
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  Speaker 1: Young voting five times, where he won it in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven. He topped two hundred innings eight times
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  Speaker 1: and won at least nineteen games, Yeah, nineteen games four times,
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  Speaker 1: the ALCS MVP in two thousand and nine, also winning
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  Speaker 1: a World Series ring of course, and in his career
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  Speaker 1: he went two hundred and fifty one and one. He
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  Speaker 1: was his record was two fifty one to one sixty
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  Speaker 1: one with a three point seventy four ERA three thousand,
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  Speaker 1: ninety three strikeouts in three thousand, five hundred seventy seven
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  Speaker 1: and one thirds inning. I definitely think he should be
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  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame for sure. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: am close.
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  Speaker 2: If you're in the yeah thirty five underwund and fifty club,
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  Speaker 2: you know, strikeout twins, I think it's a done deal,
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  Speaker 2: especially in modern baseball, to cross the threshold of tunder
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  Speaker 2: and fifty wins with pitch counts and that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And he's one of those guys where as a Phillies fan,
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  Speaker 2: I'll admit that my bias. When we kicked a shit
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  Speaker 2: out of him in two thousand and eight when he
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  Speaker 2: was with the Brewers, Yeah, I kind of forgot about
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  Speaker 2: him for a little bit, you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: forgot about his career. Yeah, he didn't kind of didn't
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  Speaker 2: pay attention as much. And when he when his name
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  Speaker 2: was on the ballot, and like last night I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at the stats, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's easily in.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell was I I missed? Like ten years
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  Speaker 2: of his career was oh crab, this was awesome and
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  Speaker 2: that not in. You know, there's always a story with
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  Speaker 2: these guys too, Like he Dreuau came over at twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: was a rookie with the Mariners, Sabbatia battle alcohol addiction
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  Speaker 2: and overcame that and still had an awesome career. And
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  Speaker 2: those stories are like kind of kind of go on
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  Speaker 2: go along with the like the just the story of
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  Speaker 2: the player getting in. Typically, Yeah, Billy Wagner doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: have a story. I'll be honest with you. I mean
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know, he's he loves his wife from
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  Speaker 2: what I understand that. The I saw the interview him
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  Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, I don't really see
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  Speaker 2: a story here, but you know, I'm sure here's a
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  Speaker 2: poor kid in Texas into the whole thing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not a bad crop. Honestly, it was. It's better than
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  Speaker 2: you know, like one guy makes it out of like
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  Speaker 2: forty and you're just like, what are we doing? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what's what's the point of this?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I think next year we're definitely gonna see
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron get in. Andrew Jones will definitely get in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my Manny Ramiro might might have been Manny Ramirez,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez, Chase Utley. I mean, I definitely think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be Beltron and Andrew Jones next year. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Depends on just you know, of course, who gets the votes.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I mean Andy Pettitt, for God's sake,
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  Speaker 1: is uh, you know, in the mix as well. So
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  Speaker 1: I have to see how it goes next year. But
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  Speaker 1: I again think it's gonna be Beltran Jones probably utly
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  Speaker 1: next year.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see. I mean, if there's a lot of New
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  Speaker 2: York Riders, although he played for the Mets. Then a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people hate Chase Sully. That is true in
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  Speaker 2: the New York area. I do know that, but I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's only a second year. It's only a second year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what percentage? But but he fits the narrative, the
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  Speaker 2: rough and tumble, second basement hits for power, played the
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  Speaker 2: game the right way, Yeah, exactly, he leans in to
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  Speaker 2: get hit by the pitch. I love Chase Selly. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying, like, but he does fit the narrative a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Winner.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ask the percentage? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: What percentage he get this time?
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  Speaker 1: Thirty nine point eight? Pretty high?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, decent, it's pretty high actually first for yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, moving on to our next baseball
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  Speaker 1: topic that we wanted to dive into. As I mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this past week the Redding Hot Stovers event,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to Sarge Gary Matthews Senior, and he
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  Speaker 1: said something that I actually told him. I said, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about it more on the podcast in
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  Speaker 1: the future because he's he said, no one in baseball
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  Speaker 1: is really talking about this, and he said, baseball scouts
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  Speaker 1: just do not get their due. Baseball scouts are so
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  Speaker 1: important and critical to the game of baseball that they
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  Speaker 1: just don't get credit for how important they are to
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  Speaker 1: the game overall. And he said that there should be
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  Speaker 1: scouts actually inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about it here because look, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, baseball players need
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  Speaker 1: to be brought into a team based on some sort
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  Speaker 1: of evaluation process. And who is doing that evaluation process.
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  Speaker 1: It is the scouts. Yes, it is the front office
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  Speaker 1: people who are hired. But really, I mean, we can
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  Speaker 1: go back Eric to the first Major League Baseball draft
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  Speaker 1: that was held in nineteen sixty five. Okay, and at
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  Speaker 1: that point, yes, drafting was new, the advent of drafting
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  Speaker 1: was new, but people started understanding that, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: you got to interview the potential players that you want
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  Speaker 1: to bring onto your team. You have to evaluate them,
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  Speaker 1: you have to rank them as well. And the scouting
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  Speaker 1: world is just an unspoken and unrecognized world in the
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  Speaker 1: world of sports in general, but particularly baseball. The scouts,
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  Speaker 1: as Sarge was saying, they just don't get their due.
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  Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for scouts, you would not have
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  Speaker 1: necessarily Ichiro Suzuki coming over here to the United States
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  Speaker 1: in order to do what he did in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's C. C. Sabathia, Chase Utley, even Alex Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: Scouts had to find these guys in order to bring
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  Speaker 1: them onto their teams initially in order for them to
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  Speaker 1: achieve success. So I don't know, he said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Sarge said, Scouts, you know, they just tend to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fly away, or he said something like there like powder,
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  Speaker 1: they just you know, you know, they just drift away.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody really cares about them too much and should be
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  Speaker 1: elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Look, there's exhibits
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  Speaker 1: up in Cooperstown. There's an exhibit from my understanding with
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  Speaker 1: the Scouts, but they're not inducted into the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: about this? Eric?
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  Speaker 2: I think it speaks to like just they just haven't
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  Speaker 2: like they haven't done with the Hall of Fame that
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  Speaker 2: they should have done yet, Like there's so much potential there. Yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: it's the majesty of baseball and everyone loves when they
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  Speaker 2: go there, But like they could be doing so much
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  Speaker 2: more and just have different wings of the Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame within the building. You should have your your GMS
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  Speaker 2: and scouts wing, right, Yeah, and just real quick, we
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  Speaker 2: go back to our first when we talk about that
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  Speaker 2: single writer, that jerk off that didn't vote for each ierro.
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  Speaker 2: The cool thing about GMS and the scout wing would
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  Speaker 2: be it'd be players and like teams only, like you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have any bullshit, you know, you would just know
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  Speaker 2: if you walk through there, like, oh, these guys are
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  Speaker 2: legit because this is voted on by the people. Actually
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  Speaker 2: fucking know they like know their baseball right, and and
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  Speaker 2: again like they should have their own wing because he's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely right. I mean, there's there you look through all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of sports, the U thirty for thirty, the Chicago Bears,
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  Speaker 2: eighty five Bears. There was like a five minute section
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  Speaker 2: of that where they talked about these two scouts that
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  Speaker 2: like revolutionized scouting for the like the draft combine kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. They would do the forty and they would
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  Speaker 2: clock guys on like certain types of drills and they're
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  Speaker 2: the first two to do it. They're the ones that
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  Speaker 2: found Richard Dent Wally Galt, And it's like that it's
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  Speaker 2: like your stories like that, You're like, oh, yeah, these
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  Speaker 2: these people are a huge part of an organization eventually
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  Speaker 2: hopefully wins a championship. So I agree with starts there
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  Speaker 2: and then have your own wing of like assholes, your
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  Speaker 2: Tay Cobs, you know, your Pete Roses, have your have
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  Speaker 2: your cheating wing, right, you talk about a Rod and
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Minny Ramirez, Barry Bonds are houston As throw those guys
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: in there. Okay, I'll go check that out then, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: then I'll go check the over one. I'll go to
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the real one and bitch about the writers that don't
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: do the right thing right. So it's the potential there
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: for what that could be. But that you know, baseball
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: sold and so I think he used the term early Cragley. Yeah,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: it's just never, never going to change. And I do
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like the sentiment of him like trying to recognize the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: guys that really do probably have a huge point part
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and like bringing an organization to where they need to
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: be to at least be close to winning championship.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the interesting aspect in argument, or maybe
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: not even an argument, but another angle of this is
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the fact that saber metrics have played such a huge
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: part in what teams do with players, not only what
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: they do with players, players that they're going to acquire
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: as well. So I guess, you know, the state of
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: scouting today could be considered a mixed bag. But there
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: are teams that are certainly prioritizing analytics. But there are
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: other organizations out there, you know, Toronto Blue Jays, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: we mentioned the Houston Astros, Minnesota Twins, even the Texas Rangers.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: They've actually added scouts to their payrolls since twenty nineteen.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And look when the Rangers won the World Series in
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, baseball scouts around the league basically rejoiced.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, the team's success confirmed that an emphasis on
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: personal touch and just the scouting process really did pay off.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So I guess there's that balance Again. We're talking about
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: cyber metrics, analytics and the scouting world where you see relationships,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you know, manifest between players and scouts and the entire organization.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about that, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the relationships that are made between scouts, whether it's prospects
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of their families as well. I think it's a good
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: idea that, you know, more emphasis is placed on scouts
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: within the Hall of Fame because of what they've done
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: for the game.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I think most of I think most of sports are
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: is a copycat league, right, Yeah, A lleg goes so
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: far in one direction because of some kind of movement
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: or some team did something amazing. We all have to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: do that now. Yeah, go in that direction for so
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: long and so hard that they'll lose what was working before,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: right Ye. I mean take basketball. I mean you had
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: your mid two thousands where everything was defense. It was
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: eighty five to eighty six horrible games, but really good
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: games too, and you slowly drifted into the superstar eventually
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: into like the three and D, which is what we're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: still in now. And we've gone too far in that direction.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: We need to bring back some but you have some
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: teams like last year the Timberwolves brought defense back to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the forefront, almost made to the finals. So like in football,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: you know, you pass happy all of a sudden defenses
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: were back. This year's baseball, you know, baseball analytics I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: would say went too far. I respect the hell out
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: of it and saber metrics, but the story of the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Rangers having guys on the field personal touch like you said,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: go and win a championship. They go out and buy
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the right players for that organization and not just based
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: on saber metrics and it again, I think a healthy
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: mix to the two. The Phillies have decent, dude with that, Yeah,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: because they're kind of old school. You know, they have
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: some old school people in the front office. So I
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: huge proponent of that. I think you have to have
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a good mix of the two because you don't go
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: too far in one direction you wind up. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with basketball games, teams are shooting ten for fifty six
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: from three point landings for the games.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh you talk about three and D with basketball.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You know who's not playing D Philadelphia seventy six or
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: those chumps.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: That wasn't even a segue. I just am a basketball guy. Yeah, absolutely,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Holy hell, and let me the game last night. My god.
• 20:36
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• 20:38
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• 21:24
  Speaker 1: just a bit. All right, We are back and segue
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: right before the break was the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Injuries are everywhere. There is no consistency to this team.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: There's no defense, no defense at all. Holy shit, it
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: is rough watching this, you know, Eric. Last night, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: my wife and I we got done watching a docu
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: series and I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna put
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the game on and see what's going on. I was like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: why am I wasting my time? We are at that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: point in this NBA season. In this sixer season, we're
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: asking myself, why am I wasting my time? It's time
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to throw in the towel at this point, right buddy.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean because at this point it's it's all about
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Joel Embiid's knee, which is completely derailed this sixer season.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: They got to throw in the towel. They need a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: top draft pick coming into this particular draft and where
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this organization is gonna go. I they got to throw
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: in the towel, right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean you would think so, It's just the only
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: problem is like what do you what does that look like?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: How do you do that? I mean, you you just
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: gave him be this humongous three year extension on top
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: of this year. I mean, you can throw in the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: tel for this year, but you know, going into the future,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not which I'm not even sure how that how
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that works, because Paul George would just signed to a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: major deal. Yep, Maxie. Obviously, you know he's kind of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the focal point of the whole team right now and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you have him locked up, which is smart. But if
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: if you're not.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Just thrown away the year, I mean, you just throw
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: away the year tank and then and base are like, Okay,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: get these guys healthy for the twenty twenty five twenty
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth season.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, and I would I would actually
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: keep Nick Nurse on staff to accomplish that, because he's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just not a good coach. I don't know what that
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: will happen to him. His players don't play for him,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: they don't seem to respect him, his top players saying
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he's bored on a fifteen and twenty seventeen that just
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: paid him two hundred and fifty million dollars. I mean,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: what I do, like I text my brother, this is
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a big Sixtress fan. What I do respect by the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: on board statement is so old school mid two thousand basketball,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: where I hate this coach. I want him the fuck
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: out of here kind of statements. I make all the money,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say whatever I want. You don't see
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that very much anymore these days. That was a straight
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: up like he's not even the start of the team, right,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: but he pulled that crap. So a little bit of
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: respect to Paul George just in that regard.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: But what could have happened though, Like, what could have
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: happened because Nick Nurse was fine he was a fine
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: coach for this team over the past couple of seasons. Here, like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I they is it?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Just like because like last night, okay, last night's lost
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to the Nuggets. It was like a lazy, disinterested type
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: of loss. They were a team that just didn't want
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to be out on the court, and of course the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: head coach didn't get him in a good spot to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: get them energized. How are you going to get energized
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in this season though, where it is currently at? So
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: like I'm wondering if there was a moment, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe Marcus hazeill fucking give us a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you know, a great headline after after today's headline.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Jesus, anyway, maybe Marcus he'll give us a He'll give
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: us a one page with how many like two sentenced
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: paragraphs because he's being dramatic.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking jer he really sucks.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: No really, but there has to be something going on.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But like when you don't have your star players and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you don't have what you were intending to do during
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the off season, when it hasn't manifested this year, Like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but what the hell's the coach supposed to do here
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's okay.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to defend him because he's not doing
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: well at this point, but.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: He's in a bad spot, but it is. There's no
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: excuse for being fifteen to twenty seven with his team.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And like you knew, the hard part of the season
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: was coming up, and you had to get these guys
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: rallied and ready to go to hopefully and be comes back.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And you hit mid January and you play, you play
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: at least five hundred ball against the hard part of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: the schedule because you had kind of a cupcake schedule
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to begin with. Didn't do that. Man, they don't respond
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to him. And I don't think it's all just him.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I just you know, some coaches just wearing their teams.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: This one happened pretty fast. But the central cancer of
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: this team has been for a while. And we were
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: all fans. We're all happy when he's doing well and
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the team's winning. The whole franchise just is in Embad's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: hands and it has been for a long long time. Yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And the front office, Darryl Moore included Josh Harris is
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: an absent owner. He doesn't even count in this, but
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: just they they've made it very clear that he's the man.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It's his entire team, it's his franchise, and he's not playing,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: we're not going to do well. We're gonna try, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but if if Embiad's pouting, he's not playing, well, you
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: see the results. Like the record reflects his effort and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: what he's looked like even when he played this year.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: The last game he played, I think it was against
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the Grizzlies, I can't remember, but they were running this
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: super fast motion offense. They had shooters running all over
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the place. He looked like he was on ice skates.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: He looked like he was lost. He was falling. He
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: was having one of the he had one of those
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: embiid falling over games where he falls over like six times.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, like I coached sixth grade boys and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: they don't fall that much, and they're goofy and like
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they don't know what they're doing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Fries out of their pockets.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I told Jeff before they for the show that I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: have a kid that likes to bring French fries in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: his pocket to practice sometimes. But he does, but he's smart.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: He's actually very smart with it. He puts him in,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: he keeps him in the container, the hard cardboard container,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: so it slides right in his pocket. So I actually
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: love to see that on the Sixer at this point,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: at least give me an excuse as to why you're down,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Why you're twelve games under five hundred and eighth worst
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: record in the league. Yeah, yeah, And I always.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I love this kid. I got to go into a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: staff meeting at work with French fries in my pocket.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He is something else. He's the kid that says stuff
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and you want to get mad and you're like, that's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: kind of funny.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt with.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The I've said it three times on the show. With
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks, the Sixers have a top
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: seven protective first round pick this year. They're the eighth
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: worst team in the league as of right now, they
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: would lose it to Oklahoma City, who's by far the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: best team in the league. It's just what a kick
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: in the nuts that would be. Yep, and it's in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the stats. You know, the fourth worst offense in basketball,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: right in the middle of the pack. Defensively, they don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: play with any speed, they don't really know who they are.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Like there'll be a half court team half a game,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and then they'll try and be a fast paced team.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: They can't do either. So you either wanted them to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: crash and burn this year. And some people are like, oh,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: this is a crash and burn. None of this is
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: like it's not not bad enough, right, Like they at
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: least need to be in the mix it's seven to eight,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: or we needed to win like ten games and be
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: like the third worst team in the league. We're in
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: a really bad spot right now.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: They've lost seven in a row. As of us recording this,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I think I'm basically hearing it from you and it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm thinking too. And I hate I hate the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: whole I hate thet they got to tank the rest
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of the season. But like it's like, and I hate
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: using the phrase tank, but it's it's like, we're at
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a point here where what is it going to do
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: for this team if they actually start winning some games,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: which I do think they can do with the talent
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: on the team, But what is it going to do
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: from the overall standpoint looking down the road? So, yes,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: losing games, not possibly putting your best players on the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: court all the time if they're healthy. Uh, it may
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: not be the solution here for where this team needs
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to go. Twenty twenty four twenty twenty five season has
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: been crap. It has been dog shit and it's not
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: gonna get any I just don't see it getting any better.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I do not see indeed, if he is able to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: come back saying, you know what, we're gonna kick some ass. Now, guys,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you know what, this knee is gonna be perfectly healthy.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. So let him out the rest
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of the season. I don't care Paul George, he doesn't
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: need to he doesn't need to play either. Get these
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: guys healthy. So the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six season,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: maybe we can see some success with them and just let.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Maxi Ball, you know, become the off on the team. Yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah for for a year. See what he's got. Yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and and and just and just sink against the Pelicans.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: The Pelicans are right there with us in the records.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: They're gonna trade Zion, They're gonna be even worse. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Portland Brooklyn Trial, it always seems are terrible, Like we
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like we're we're but we're not terrible enough and like
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that there's only one solution that is a solution. But
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think Darryl Morio's pride Nick Nurse is gonna be
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: fighting for a job. Yep, you know. Paul George, even
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: though he seems kind of aloof, I think I think
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I said, he's always been kind of a beta. If
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: there's an Alfa on the team, he kind of falls
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in the line and plays hard. Yeah, if Embe can
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: come back and do that, But I don't, I don't,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I just I'll say it on the show. Right now,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I think in Beat's done.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Like it's like done, like done, completely done over.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I think he's done being in bed from like two
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: years ago when he was averaging thirty points and like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: twelve rebounds, you know, and is he as good as
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yokici never was? But I mean there was at least
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: a conversation. I think those days are cooked. I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we're looking at like fifty games a year, twenty two
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: points a game, eight rebounds, and that's just and he's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he's a great mid range shooter. I think that's the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: NB we're looking at right now.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Gosh, that makes me want to cry, just like you
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: said that it makes you cry.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: The extension makes me I think, yeah, makes him untradeable, yep,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: completely trade Yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, Well, we'd love to hear from you
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: about this Sixers team and what you think they should
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: do the rest of this season. Philadelphia Sports Table at
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Shoot us off an email. We'd love
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to get into it here on the show. And uh
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: now we got to get into some Philadelphia Eagles talk
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: as this team is heading to the NFC Championship Game
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: overall perspective, and I know we're gonna get into this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with our guests coming up as well. We were saying
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that in order for this Eagles season to be deemed successful, Eric,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you know, they they're gonna have to reach the NFC
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Championship Game. They're gonna have to reach this level for
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: us to say, you know what, yes, this is a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: successful season. They're there, well, I mean, they're part of me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Cannot believe that this season actually has turned out the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: way that it has, and especially here during the playoffs
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts not necessarily playing his best in terms
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of the passing game. Thank God for Saquon Barkley. That's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: all I could say. Thank God for Saquon Barkley. But look,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: we see what a complete team they have been in
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: so many different ways. And you know what, Jalen Hurts.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: He's not an elite quarterback, but he's not a piece
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of garbage quarterback either. I'm really getting a little tired
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of the narrative quite frankly, of this guy stinks you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: shouldn't even be on the team, Josh Allen. Last week
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he had very similar stats passing stats, I should say
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts, and he's not getting the type of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, crap thrown his way. But I think this success,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think this team has been a success. We can
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: deem this year to be a success for the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's like Super Bowl or bust, because
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would have got I don't. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: think a lot of folks didn't think they were gonna
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: win all those games in a row. So I don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: know what are your thoughts here overall success.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: At one point in the season, I mean we were saying, like, man,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I think they should fire Siriani. Man like five weeks in.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I think they're right. He's yelling at the fans, he's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: using his kids as a shield after games, and it was like,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: this is not this is going south. Holy hell, he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: grown up.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He has grown up a lot.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was listening is fun. I was listening
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to the Mark Maron podcast today he did with Bill
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: burd the other day. Bill Bill Burr said he's a
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: huge fan of Nick Sirianni, and Mark Marin didn't know
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: wo he was, but he described him as a coach
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: for the football for Eagles, and he was like, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like him because I can tell he's he's kind of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like me, and that he flies off the handle. He's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: doing his best, he's trying to figure out who he is,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: but he's you know, he's fighting answers those intelligence sometimes. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: but he's just he's he's a normal guy. And I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was like, it's actually a pretty good description of the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: guy because he did make some mistakes over this year
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and he probably get taken a side by somebody, and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: he kind of worked on it. He seems like a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: much normal, level headed dude now and it's like, Okay,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that's kind of cool, Like good, good, good growth. Jalen
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Hurts doesn't seem to have grown at all as a
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: player this year.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Year.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm not putting him down, just saying he's steady
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and he didn't make he didn't make any mistakes last
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: week that got it that like lost this the game.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He hasn't been turned the ball over at all.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a better game He's better than the game manager.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to call him that, Yea, but he's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, of the four quarterbacks left
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, he's the he's the worst one out
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: of the four. Yeah, I think it's safe to say that, right, Yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: but he's not.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: He's not that far off.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jane Daniels, this is the first game, Jane Daniels,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: this is prime time, freezing cold, could be awful. Whether
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the fans are going to be awful to him, they
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: are going to be just so bad. So, I mean,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: this would be a true test for him. Like, I
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: don't think he's going to come out in a Dome
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: or Tampa where it's warm and the fans are I mean,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Detroit fans were great, the Tampa fans, I'm sure he
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: didn't even get bothered by them. But this is gonna
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: be a different environment for him. And I was just
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: pointing him out because I was just like, he's kind
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of the key to the whole game, I would say,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: But getting back and Eagle success this year, Yeah, it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a huge success. I mean there were certain points of
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: this season where everybody was like, well, who's gonna win
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. It's going to be either the Packers,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Vikings or Lions. That's it. Theo's the only teams involved here. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and neither of those teams are in in fact, you
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: know the uh I mean, hell, I kind of surprise.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with me. I can't believe neither of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: those three teams. Maybe the seats incredible, I know, But
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: thank god because we got a home game, which I
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: would that if you would have told me at the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: beginning of the year.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: We got a home game in the NFC Championship. No
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: freaking way, no, exactly exactly. It's a successful season, folks,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: regardless of what happens this Sunday, it's a successful season
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. But I have to say when we
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: are talking about where the where the real major success
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was Vic Fangio of course, and what he did turning
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: around this defense from last year, and also Jeff Stoutlin
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: taking the offensive line to I even think another level
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to be able to allow safe one Barkley to do
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: what he did this season with his two thousand and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: five yards on the ground. It just Jeff Staltlin is
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: incredible with his He's the run game coach coordinator, whatever
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you want to call him, He's incredible. He is incredible.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: We always talk about how well he does with the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: offensive line, but what he's done with the actual run
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: game as well. It's Vic Fangio and Uh and Uh
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and Jeff Staltlin and just the offensive line in Saquon two.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It's that's the success of this year.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: By by far. It's not n close like that. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: that's to call Jalen man. Jalen hurts him managing quarterback.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: He kind of he kind of can be when the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: defense is that good and the running game is that strong.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, Barkley saved the entire year. Yes, Like there's
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: we don't we don't He's that, I know, And you
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: know the whole the m VP thing is, you know
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: pretty much Josh Allen and and Lamar Jackson. It's like
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and in the bark anything kind of went away, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm watching the game Sunday. I'm like, he
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: should be. He still still should be. Should Yes, Yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: he saved this entire year for them. And I talked
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: earlier about like it was a pass happy league for
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: at one point, and the Eagles come in and just
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: run grade over defenses. Their their offensive line is just
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: just bullying teams. You know, the rams up defensive line
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: came in like kind of on fire. They made mincemeat
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of the Vikings offensive line and killed you know, basically
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: ended Sam Donald's career.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: He'll he'll get signing it, but like he not this
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: dealer was going to get before in that game.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and they they, I mean they gave
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: a couple of sacks, but then they kicked their asses,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: just absolutely kicked their asses. And that's that's what I
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: mean that that that's the that's the biggest reason why
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: they should beat Washington this week. Washington's defense is just
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: there's no way they should compete with us defensively.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct. All right, buddy,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Why don't I let you head out here and then
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to this week's interview. We're gonna
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: be talking more birds and getting into what we're gonna
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: be seeing from this team this coming Sunday against the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. Any final thoughts for you, buddy, before I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: let you go.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I will say this for karmic reasons. Jayde Daniels scares
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the shit out of me. I'm just gonna say it. Man,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: If he makes If, if Jalen Carter has him like
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: all wrapped up and he jumps out and there's a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: sixty yard bomb, I'm gonna be like, oh my god,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they're gonna lose.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I get this team like he is. He is fighting,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: he's he's frightening.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: He's for real, and you know what, he's smart too.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: He's not just like, oh, I'm getting rushed out of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the pocket. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do this,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta. He's calculating and he knows the yardage that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: he needs to get the first down. How many third
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and fourth downs did Jaydeen Daniels get his offense? My gosh,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it's amazing over these past few weeks here, it's it's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it's scary.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And he's gonna be around for a while, I know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna play him twice a year. It's horrendous.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking right now at their season leater stats.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: He was the top passer and rusher this year.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That's like it's Cunningham stuff. Yeah, I mean like that
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: has happened in a long time.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. All right, buddy, I'll let you go. Folks. We
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: are going to take a break, and when we get back,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: we got more Eagles talk. Got a brand new guest
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: gonna be joining us. Stick with us. All right, we
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: are back. Let's get into some more Birds talk here.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship game right around the corner. That's what we're
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: throwing down on the table and now on the table
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: joining us this week for the very first time here
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: at the PST podcast show. You can find him on
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the Twitter slash x at Daily Birds. Three to two,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: We've got Tommy better known as Dose Man. We've got
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Tommy from Daily Dose. Tommy, Buddy, how you doing man?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I am doing very very well. The anticipation of what
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: this NFC Championship game is is it's like way too
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: much for me at this point, Like I'm just I'm
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: consumed by it. I cannot believe we are here at
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: this point. Quite frankly, it's been a tremendous season for
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, and so many of us have said
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: over the course of this year, if this team doesn't
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: head to the NFC Championship Game, it would be a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: failed season. And my co host and myself were just
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: talking about this. Wanted to get your thoughts on this
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: as well. When you look at this Eagle season and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: this team overall, do you believe it has been a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: successful season regardless of what happens from here on out,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, you starting off, you know, let's let's start
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: week one pre season. Before you know, you add Saquon
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: at first a deal. I thought it was a great deal.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: You gotta add, and you add Bryce Huff, you bring
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: CJ back, you know, so you take a look at
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: the roster. It's a super Bowl caliber roster. It's a
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: super Bowl caliber roster, do it too? Going into the
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: buy concerned obviously, and then from there, I mean, Jalen
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: after the bye, I'd like to say, close to some
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of the best football he's played since twenty twenty two.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Taekwon two thousand yards MVP finalists, currently Offensive Player of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the Year finalist. As expectations go, this is a super
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Bowl roster. If you take a look from head to toe,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: this is a super Bowl roster compared to you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: last year's roster. The defense totally revamped, the young corners,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you know, quinnyon dejeene bo stepping up and playing good football.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: The d line found its identity again. I mean this
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: is this is a Super Bowl roster head to toe,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: head to toe. You take a look even at other
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: rosters now Ravens, Bills, you know, even Commanders Chiefs, they're
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: complete rosters. But there are areas of weakness this team
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: from head to toe. There's no real yes, we need
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: to attack this spot. This is their weakness and they
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: are top five in all categories in our opinion.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So do you believe that, like that it was going
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to be NFC championship or bust when the initial you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: when that first before that first snap of the season
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: started in the regular season, that very first game, was
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that your thoughts, because that's what a lot of people
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: were saying reflecting what you just said, that this is
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a complete team in so many different ways. Did you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: believe that, you know what, they don't get to the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, it's gonna be a failed season.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look good at the Rossar, I saw this as
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: this is our best chance since twenty twenty two, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: it really is. And now to me it's look, you
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: got to where you want to be, the NFC Championship.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: You know, your one game away. If in that case
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: they fall short, I think it would be more prope
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to say it was disappointing rather than a non successful season,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: because tons saquon the mergers of Bond, it would just
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: be more disappointing, like, man, we have all these pieces,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: we have this, then you go dig deep, what is
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: the cause? What is not getting us there? And then
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that's where I think there could be some real, you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: strange off season conversations.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. You mentioned Zach Bond and his emergence, not
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: just in terms of this Eagles team, but with regard
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to the entire NFL. I mean, this Eagles defense is
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: one of the best that we have ever seen, definitely
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: like top two. I think for sure we were talking
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: about it on the show last week. I mean, Tommy
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I was concerned at the beginning of the season about
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the d line quite frankly, them having the ability to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: truly rush the passer and also clog those gaps in
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the run game. I mean, they have been effective just
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: about all season, even after having lost Hassan Reddick and everybody,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you hear the name Hassan Reddick and it's like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: who oh, yeah, that's right. He did have a great season.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: But you know what, we didn't necessarily need him here.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: So I guess my next question would be, you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: in what ways have you seen this Eagles defensive line
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: grow this season in terms of like what the expectations
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: were initially right out of the gate.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like like growing up in the Eagles fin when
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: it came to you know, the Eagles defense. I mean
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: they have some of the best defensive line history. Yeah,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I mean dating back years ago. We got Trent Cole.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just going back for my lifetime. I'm a younger,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: you know, so I've I've seen Trent Cole.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'm an old I'm an old man.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I know I've seen you know, a Fletcher Cox, Connor Barwin.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I've seen these guys. So then you know, you bring
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: this new blood in. You got Jalen Carter, you got
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Jordan Davis, You've got Nolan Smith Josh Sweat. To me,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: the two biggest the proper word be the two biggest
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I think surprises were Nolan Smith and Milton Williams. Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I mean we're going back to last year twenty twenty three.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Noan Nolan Smith had eighteen tackles in one
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: sack and he played sixteen games this year forty two tackles,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: six and a half sacks. He's had three sacks, three
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: tackles for a loss on a forest fumble in this
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: year's playoffs alone. I mean, with Brandy Graham going down,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you got Nolan Smith stepping up. It just makes you wonder, Okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: is this Dan line now rolling over now to the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: younger guys Jordan Davis for me, rather disappointing. You know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I understand where the lack of production was. You know
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: at he's what six eight, three hundred and fifty plus pounds,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, some you know Milton Williams stepping up this.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: You know last year forty two tackles for half a sack.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: This year, you know, twenty four tackles, five sacks. It's
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: just there are guys stepping up on the D line
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: when they need to and I think, in my opinion,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: all comes down Jalen Carter. I think he's taking command
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: of that line and going, look, just follow me, Just
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: follow me. The rest will show he's pulling double teams.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: That's obviously gonna leave somebody uncovered. That's where you see
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: no one off the edge. That's where you see sweat
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: off the edge. As regards to the entire line, I
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: just think I think it's the youth movement now. I
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: think it's keeping consistent with the guys you have, obviously,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: keeping the rotations set. Bryce Huff he was disappointing this year.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I think he was used in I don't think he
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: was used the right way. We look at what he
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: did with the Jets. A lot of those sacks last
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: year were on third downs. A lot of them were
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: big time third down plays. I think he got into
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: tempo of Okay, I'm taking a few plays off, hopping
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: it on third down, taking a few plays off hopping
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: on third down. He comes to Philly, we're paying him
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: starting edge money, so they're gonna play him starting edge.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I think this year's success just just comes from the
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: younger guys. Brandon Graham moving forward thirty, you know, he's
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: getting to those mid thirties where Nolan Smith is having
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: a great back half of the years. It wouldn't be
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: surprising to me to see Nolan Smith next year be
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: that guy on the edge that Brandon Graham was.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how Brandon Graham goes down and a
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: lot of us were like, oh my gosh, what is
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: going to happen now with this defensive line, not just
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: from a veteran standpoint, but just from a productivity standpoint,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And Nolan Smith he hasn't missed a beat at all.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct, Tom and what you're saying
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: with regard to this defensive line, the growth. They are young,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: but they're going to continue to to develop well into
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the future. And as we're moving along with a conversation,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've been saying all along this season that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: this Eagles team, you know we were talking about earlier,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that they are such a complete team. There can be
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: a complete team, but not perfect. They are not perfect
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: by any stretch. There's no NFL team that is actually
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: perfect out there. And I will, of course even say
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs certainly not a perfect team. But as
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: we're in the thick of the playoffs. I'm wondering, like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: what's the biggest red flag that you have seen from
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the defense this past week, whether it's against the Rams,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: whether it's during this playoff run here, and what are
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: some things that you think the defense really needs to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: clean up against the Commanders this weekend and even should
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: they head to the Super Bowl. What are your thoughts here?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, after the Rams game, I
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: was up all night, couldn't fall asleep. I mean it
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: was just between the Snow game, you know, the big win.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: It was just I couldn't fall asleep. I was a static.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I was great.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I end up going back watching the highlights and just
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: just kind of re just kind of man looking at
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it from a point where I know we got the win. Now,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: let's go back and look at maybe some things I
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: missed due to excitement or whatever. Yeah, the first thing
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: that stuck out to me was just n Kolbe. Dean's
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: presence is definitely missed over the middle. I mean, you
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: look at that first drive they did. I mean they
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: hit Higbee three times down the middle, and Burks is
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: just I get it, because you know, Dean's been that guy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: He's the play call. He's been that, so his presence definitely,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: they got beat a lot over the middle of that game.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, you look at some of the third downs
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: to third and eight over the middle, just even if
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: it's right to Nikula or the tight end. Yeah, that's
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: that's that's big. And you look at Washington when they
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: played Detroit. Zach Ertz is thirty four years old and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: he's still getting great productivity over there. He's he's doing real.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Well and he's still getting separation at his age, which
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: is ag Yeah, and for a team that you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: aside from Terry McLaurin, Washington's great.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Washington's playing hot football. But aside from Terry McLaurin, I mean,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: they got Downy Brown, a wide receiver. Two. You might
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: see a little bit of you know, jameson crowded wide receiver. Three. Possibly,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I think it's Noah Brown. He even still might be hurt.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: You know, I can't. I don't even know their third receiver.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: So they're gonna use that tight end spot a good amount.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: And they have and it's like, Okay, Nikoby, Dean or
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Bonn are going to cover a tight end without Nikobe.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Now it's well, they're gonna throw a ball on that
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: tight end and give themselves the best opportunity to stop
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the use of the tight end, which leaves which leaves
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Orang Brooks and just in the middle of the field,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: and that's where I think the confusion was. Last game,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of confusion where you saw him
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: shadowing a running back coming out of the backfield. That's
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: leaving a slot receiver wide open in the middle. So
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I think there's some there's it comes down to chemistry
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: and then also a big thing that really wasn't concerning,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: but it's frustrating to see, you know, your third and
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: third down, third and eight, third and ten, third and twelve.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: These corners got to stop playing ten ten yards off,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: fifteen yards off. I've seen that from Sleigh a bunch
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: of times this year. I've seen that. You know, it's
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: just Washington is a team that's hot right now, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: for me, the concern is we can't let you can't
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: let them jump early. You can't let them jump especially
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: with I mean, Jane Daniels has just been unreal. It's
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: just it's and it's honestly gave the point where it's
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: frustrating that for the next few years, he's going to
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: be an opponent we see twice a year. It's quite
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: It's one of those where it's like it's now like, Okay,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not tired of him being good. I just don't
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: want to play him twice a year. Yeah, but we're
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: in a position now where look, this is, this is,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: it comes down to this. We got to get to
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: the next game. Those third downs are going to be huge,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: even fourth downs. Commanded to go for it on fourth
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: down all the time. They their percentage of success rate
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: on fourth downs eighty eight percent.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And Jayden Dash is the one getting a lot of
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: those conversions too on third and fourth.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Down, whether he's doing it with his legs rolling out
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: or he's buying more time for someone to get open. Yeah,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: it can't fall apart. And I think it does start
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: with that. I wouldn't call it a whole, but that
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: lack of chemistry at the linebacker spot now now with
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: the Kobe d.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Now, I think I think it's a really really good
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: answer for that question and that particular topic and something
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: we definitely need to keep our eyes on during this
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. And again, folks, we are talking to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Tom from Daily Dose. He can follow him on the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Twitter slash x at Daily Bird's three to zero two.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: He's a great, great follow And let's move on to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts struggled and has had challenges this
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: past week, for sure, we all know that. But once
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: again he didn't turn the ball over, which was key
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: in the divisional round matchup. And I guess, aside from Hurts,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: whether it's him getting the ball out faster Tom or
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: keeping his eyes downfield, what do you think is the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: biggest red flag on this Eagles offense that you saw
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: that the Eagles are gonna need to clean up. We
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: were just talking about the defense, what they need to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: clean up? What about this offense? You know that they're
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: really gonna need to clean up against the Commanders.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: You know, I do think it is Jalen Hurts. I'm
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: a big Jaalen Hurts. Then you know, anyone who's who's
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: checked my page out, anyone who's done anything, knows that
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I will defend Jalen Hurts. He's look, he's my favorite
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Eagle man. But it comes to this. You know, this
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: is a this is the team now that and everyone's
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: staying for the next for the future. You know how
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: you guys a lot of these guys under contract.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: You're at the point now where, like the fans want
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: to win. It's now not about getting the team and
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: you know, getting them used to the team. No, it's
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: it's a win now team. It is for the next
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: few years. It's a win now team. See the Packers game,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: you know, the common theme was, Okay, he's coming off
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: with two three eighteen day injury with the concussion knocking
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: off the rust. I get it. Some people have said
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: this last one, Oh yeah, it was the weather. Look
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford was playing in that weather too. He threw
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: for three hundred and twenty four yards and I'm gonna
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: but then I go, look, Stafford and Hurts are two
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: totally different style quarterbacks. I do think it comes down though,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: to his ability to stay calm inside of the pocket.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: He took seven sacks. I get some of them on
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the offensive line, but recently, I mean, look, anybody who
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: likes the game of football and does watch it, there's
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of happy feet going on in there. His
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: first two reads aren't there. His feet start to dance,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: and you see not panic, but you see you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: an increased sense of urgency to either get out or
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: to find someone quick right, some of those resulting bad throws,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: some of those resultant, you know, taking a sack. Washington
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: does not have the best run defense. I believe their
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: bottom I believe they're bottom six. I believe they're twenty
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: sevenths or twenty fifth. So we know this, We've seen it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: They're gonna do everything they can to stop this run game.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: They're gonna stack the box.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're gonna you know, and so if the end
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: with Jalen's knee, now it's okay. We got a quarterback
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: that possibly has some you know, decreased mobility that takes
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: away from his game. It's gonna force jailn to be
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: a true pocket guy for a game. And we've seen
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: multiple games this season where Jalen Hurts has passed over
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: two fifty, almost reached the three hundred mark. So we
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: know he can. It's just the stakes are higher and
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: he's been here before. This is enough. This is the
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: second NFC championship in three years. We've seen him perform
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: in the biggest stage right in the Super Bowl. I mean,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: it is probably his best career performance as an eagle,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: So now it's he's been there before, but that is
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: that is the weakness right now. And it also makes
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: me think you take a look at some of his
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: you know, some of the routrees Kellen Moore is drawing up.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, are are these guys not getting open? He
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: missing them? And you do look at some of the
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: routurries you're going on Twitter after the game, you can see,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: like the next gen stats, some of these routrees this
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: season have just been bad. It's just real and it
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: almost looked just like they're just running wherever, and it's
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: let's get back to the RPO. Let's get back to
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: you know, using Dallas Gotter has been great when he's
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: used Yeah, let's get back to Hey, if our first
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: my first two or not, where's my tight end, where's
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: my running back out of the back field. But I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: think it comes down to Jalen Hers's ability to just
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: stay calm in the pocket, trust your line, and just
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: do whatever is necessary to keep the drive a lot.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I really think that you hit on something. And it's
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: a good segue into the next topic because while we
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: talk about Dallas Goddard, we talk about these route trees
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I think this Eagles offense needs some sort of an
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: X factor, and people are like, what do you mean
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: X factor? You know, they've been utilizing Saquon Barkley, they
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: have been able to use the RPO, especially when Jalen
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Hurts is healthy. But you know, we are messaging each other,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: pull back the curtain a little bit, folks. Tom and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I are messaging each other on Twitter recently in discussing
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: one Johan Dotson and just how he just wasn't utilized
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: much at all this year after the Eagles traded a
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: third round pick for him before the season started. His
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: regular season stats nineteen catches for two hundred and sixteen yards.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: That's it, folks, that is it. But I wonder if
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: that X factor could potentially be a Johan Dotson heading
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: into this matchup. I don't know, Tom, why do you
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: think we have not seen much of Dotson really integrated
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: into those route trees into this offense because he is
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: he is a very very good and phenomenal route runner
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, I don't know, and I may be
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: biased because I'm a Penn State guy, But what are
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: your thoughts here?
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean when I when I first started the account.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I actually, fun fact, my first post was the trade
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: about Johan Dodson. You know, Eagles trade a third four,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: So that was that was what that was my first post.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Now thinking about it with what you just asked, I mean,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: anybody who I mean, he's on an offense where you
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: got aj Brown, you got Davonte Smith, Dallas gottor Saquon Barkley,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: and he's wider receiver three in an offense that they're
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: not past. First, they're not right with with the quarter
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: which with Jana Hurst's ability to be mobile, you know,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: run for ten fifteen however many yards, and then you
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: have Saquon, who right now is possibly the best back
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: in the in the NFL. It's just it's not a role.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I think that anyone was really expecting a wide receiver
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: three to step in and have you know, five undred
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: yards six hundred yards this season. I mean, but he
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: had his opportunities. Let's let's go back towards you know,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: weeks two, three, and four, A J. Brown goes down
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: after the Green Bay game, he's out with that nursing
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: that injury. He was wide receiver two for three games
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: and just was nowhere to be found. And especially for
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: a guy who we saw in Washington. He great route runner.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: He had pretty good years in Washington. I mean, and
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: look at the quarterbacks he had. I mean he one
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: year he had he had Sam Howell. Yeah, coming to
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: this offense, you know, I think people right away thought,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: oh my god, he's going to be, you know, phenomenal
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: in this in this offense as a wide receiver three.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: But it's it's where you getting your opportunities from. You know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: he had thirty three targets this year, and eleven of
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: them came in one game against New York and Leekue eighteen,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: where he'd seven catches for ninety four yards. But you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: let's you go back to twenty twenty two and twenty
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: twenty three. I mean, he had five hundred yards perth
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: season rookie year, seven touchdowns, and then twenty thirty three
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: four but he was wide receiver two in an offense
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: that they didn't have a real run game, so they
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: were trying to get the ball of Terry McLaurin. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I think he's just very deep down in a star
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: studded offense that's that's a run first scheme. So I
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna have a good you know, roll into
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: this playoffs. He had one with against Los Angeles. I'm sorry,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: he had one against green Back yep, and then you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: just kind of trickles down from there. I think if
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: he's someone they should get maybe three targets, four targets
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: in this next game. See if he can't get thirty
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: five yards or something like that.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Well, Tom, you know, I'm gonna let you go here,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: But before I do, I don't want to put the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: car before the horse here. Look the Commanders, and should
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the Eagles make it to the Super Bowl, the team
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that they will end up facing if they do make
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: it again, they're gonna try to stop Saquon Barkley as
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: much as possible. You know, we're talking about it before
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: this is this is a run first team. They are
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: not a pass first team. Saquon Barkley rules. All teams
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: that face the are going to try to neutralize him.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: They're going to try to neutralize the offensive line of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: this Eagles team. That's truly the only way that the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Eagles offense I think can really be stopped. So when
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you look at the Commanders and even other teams left
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: in the AFC, do you see any of these teams
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: really being able to neutralize the Eagles rushing attack as
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: we are in the latter part of the playoffs here,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Simple answers. Now, I mean, it's just this is I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: think the best rushing team we've ever seen. Yeah, in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: all football. It doesn't matter if his Eagles, doesn't matter
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: who it is. I mean his first season, you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five rushing yards a season with the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: offensive line he has and the way they're playing and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: the way he's just running the ball where there's multiple
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: home run plays.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every game.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: He has, he's had two home run plays a game,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: just about. I just I just don't see a team
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: in the league that will stop him the end of story.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I just not the ones lined up right if potentially
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: you know Buffalo, No, we saw what the Ravens did
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: to them on the ground. We saw Derek Kenry have
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: a very pretty good game. We saw la Mark Stan
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: plays and have a good game. So we know that,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: and we have a better rushing attack than the Ravens,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: and we saw what the Ravens did to them. The Chiefs,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think they stand a chance against their wrong game,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: especially Washington as well their bottom six. I think Sunday
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: it all comes down to if they can't stop say
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Kwon Barkley, There's no way the Eagles do not walk
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: it out of a win. I just don't see it.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I am in agreement with you, and it's gonna be fun.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. We are on pins and needles
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: for sure awaiting this NFC Championship game, whether or not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Yasicals are going to be heading to the Super
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Bowl again. Folks. We're talking to Tommy from Daily Dose
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: at Daily Birds three oh two on the Twitter slash x.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: He is known as Dose My man, Tommy. It was
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: great talking to you, buddy, Thanks so much for taking
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the time. Really appreciated your football knowledge and hope to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: talk to you some point down the road, my friend.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, man, enjoy it.
• 1:02:08
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