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Bill Cosby granted appeal in Pennsylvania sex assault case · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby back in the headlines. Does it never end?
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Speaker 1: All those years he had of being America's dad, being
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Speaker 1: the big movie star, the number one comedian in the country,
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Speaker 1: and what was he doing molesting women, doping them and
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Speaker 1: then molesting them raping them. He finally gets convicted after
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Speaker 1: a twenty or thirty year run, and now it's not over.
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Speaker 1: His case is rearing. It's ugly head. I want to
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Speaker 1: run as if I had seen a monster, But no,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna fight crime stories with Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I mean it. See Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories again. Thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation. It's serious. ExM One eleven.
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Speaker 1: How in the hay is it back? He was convicted
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Speaker 1: by a jury, right, Remember all those women crying on
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Speaker 1: the stand, take a listen to this E news anchor.
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Speaker 1: In a stunning ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will allow
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Speaker 1: Cosby to appeal two issues in his sexual assaults conviction.
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Speaker 1: Since twenty eight, the eighty two year old has been
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Speaker 1: serving a three to ten years sentence after a jury
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Speaker 1: convicted him of drugging and sexually assaulting a woman and
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Speaker 1: dracunstand in his home in two thousand and four. E
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Speaker 1: News has obtained the court documents confirming Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruling.
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Speaker 1: The court will review whether the jury should have heard
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Speaker 1: testimony from five other accusers about alleged assaults that were
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Speaker 1: not a part of the original charges. It will also
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Speaker 1: review the judge's decision to allow the trial to proceed
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Speaker 1: after Cosby was allegedly promised immunity by former prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: then agreed to be questions during depositions in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and five and two thousand and six. Okay, let me
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Speaker 1: just boil that down. What the court is saying is
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Speaker 1: the case has not been reversed. That hasn't happened. But
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Speaker 1: Cosby has the right to appeal his case on two grounds,
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Speaker 1: at least two major grounds. They'll probably throw in the
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Speaker 1: standard grounds like insufficient evidence. They always say that there's
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Speaker 1: not enough evidence to convict me, even though a jury
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Speaker 1: did convict them. They might say ineffective assistance of counsel,
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Speaker 1: because that always get raised. You pay a guy a
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Speaker 1: million dollars to represent you, and then on appeal you're
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Speaker 1: sitting in your jail cell wondering how can I get
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Speaker 1: out of here. You then claim, oh, he did a
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Speaker 1: horrible job. This is what he did wrong. Those don't
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Speaker 1: concern me. These two do concern now that I agree
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Speaker 1: with them, but they concern me. Guys joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel. First of all, very famous in his region.
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Speaker 1: Lawyer Jim Elliott with Butler Snowy is legal counsel for
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Speaker 1: multiple municipalities like cities, counties. Also with me, psychiatrists doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Stiger
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Speaker 1: thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of those years
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Speaker 1: on homicide. He's seen it all. He is also the
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Speaker 1: author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. You
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Speaker 1: can find him at Cloyd Stiger dot com, but straight
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Speaker 1: out to Levi Page, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com,
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Speaker 1: where you can find this and all other breaking crime
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Speaker 1: and justice news you know must Nobody can say it
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Speaker 1: better than one of the victims herself. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to what Janice Dickinson, as she calls herself America's first supermodel,
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Speaker 1: tells me. Janice Dickinson, supermodel and reality TV star, is
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Speaker 1: joining us. Mistakenson, thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks, and
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Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, you know, with everything
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Speaker 1: that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe. Like
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Speaker 1: the whole nation is doing right now protesting. I am
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Speaker 1: protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape from
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale. And I will
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Speaker 1: say this, you know, I sobbed all weekend, not just
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Speaker 1: for me, for what's going on with these other women.
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Speaker 1: I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Speaker 1: You know, thank you guys and gals out there. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's about time that this guy gets his cup up.
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Speaker 1: And you were hearing America's first supermodel, Janice Dickinson, described
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Speaker 1: her reaction to waiting for justice for Bill Cosby. You know,
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Speaker 1: the other day I heard Eddie Murphy, who was hilarious
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Speaker 1: ever since he did Doctor Dolittle, well ever since he
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Speaker 1: was in coming to America. You know, who could not
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Speaker 1: be an Eddie Murphy fan. But he was saying, how
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Speaker 1: Cosb became jack out and have you heard this? And
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Speaker 1: lectured him on being a good example, lectured Eddie Murphy,
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Speaker 1: and the other day Eddie Murphy was saying, Wow, check
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Speaker 1: it out, America's dad. Who's America's dad? Now you're in jail.
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Speaker 1: And I've got ten children and I'm supporting and taking
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Speaker 1: care of all of them, however many children he has.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about how Cosby used to lecture
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Speaker 1: everybody on how to be a better person. You know,
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Speaker 1: leave my page. I know I was going to you
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Speaker 1: for the facts, but let me go to doctor Angela Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Arnold, I don't want you to give any personal story,
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Speaker 1: but and all of your personal to you that happened
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Speaker 1: to you. But when a person goes through trauma, be
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Speaker 1: at a sex attack, be it you know, your loved
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Speaker 1: one getting murdered right before your wedding, any traumatic event,
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Speaker 1: I believe. And I'm just a JD. You're the MD
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Speaker 1: and a shrink. You're left with not only the injustice
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Speaker 1: of what happened to you or your loved one, but
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Speaker 1: this feeling of helplessness and then certain things for the
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Speaker 1: rest of your life trigger that. And women think, oh
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Speaker 1: why did I one two three wear a short skirt
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Speaker 1: go out that night to a barbed drink, that drink,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: I have interviewed spoken with so many of Cosby's victims,
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Speaker 1: and they all say, oh, I was so stupid. I
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Speaker 1: feel in the blank, as if they somehow contributed to
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Speaker 1: being raped. And I'm hearing who I consider to be
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Speaker 1: a friend. She may not even remember me, but Janice
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Speaker 1: Dickinson telling me her story, and her voice got higher
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Speaker 1: and higher, and hire and hire. I'm giving my chill,
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Speaker 1: myself chills just remembering it as she recounted what Cosby
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Speaker 1: did to her. And now he's manipulating the justice system,
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Speaker 1: just like he manipulated all these women. I have no
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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. Dickinson and all the other women
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Speaker 1: were telling the truth. Does it ever go away? Doctor?
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Speaker 1: And she does it ever go away? Dia? Ever wake
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Speaker 1: up one morning and you don't feel helpless, and you
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Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't breathe as she was saying,
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Speaker 1: does it ever quit? No, it's certainly waxes and wanes.
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Speaker 1: And there are very specific kinds of therapy that people
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Speaker 1: can have that will help them dissociate their actual feelings
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Speaker 1: from the actual trauma that they experienced. I'll just never
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Speaker 1: forget speaking to her, and I can tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: It has not subsided for her or so many others
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Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. What's happening right now is
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Speaker 1: Cosby was convicted on the attack regarding Andrew Constat catch this,
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Speaker 1: catch this, and want you to hear what here's our
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Speaker 1: attorneys are saying. Now, take a listen to this E
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Speaker 1: News anchor. Following the ruling, a spokesperson for Cosby told
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Speaker 1: E News in a statement that they were extremely thankful
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Speaker 1: to the States Supreme Court or Pennsylvania for agreeing to
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Speaker 1: review the appeal, adding America and the world is witnessing
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Speaker 1: the twenty third day of protests regarding the abuse and
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Speaker 1: murder of black people. Not just that the hands of
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Speaker 1: corrupt police officers, but these extremely vital and important protests
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Speaker 1: are exposing the corruption that lies within the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 1: District attorneys and judges. Andrea Constans released her own public
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Speaker 1: statement asking the State's court to reconsider releasing Cosby back
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Speaker 1: into the community. While everyone deserves for their cries and
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Speaker 1: appeals to be heard, even convicted criminals. If anyone's cries
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Speaker 1: matter most right now, it's a women who have lifted
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Speaker 1: their voice and selflessly put themselves in harm's way, such
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Speaker 1: as a prior bad act witnesses. In my case, they
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Speaker 1: are the true heroes. So basically, Bill Cosby is jumping
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Speaker 1: on the injustices committed upon victims like George Floyd and
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Speaker 1: claiming that somehow he has been victimized. To leave my
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Speaker 1: page Crime online dot Com investigative report, what exactly is happening.
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Speaker 1: So Nancy Cosby was found guilty of three counts of
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Speaker 1: aggravated indecent assaults in twenty eighteen, and he was sentenced
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Speaker 1: to three to ten years in state prison. And now
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Speaker 1: his attorneys are appealing that. They say it's unfair that
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Speaker 1: five unrelated accusers were allowed to testify in his twenty
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Speaker 1: eighteen sex assault trial. They also are one of those
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Speaker 1: people was Janice Dickinson, who you just played audio love
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Speaker 1: and she alleged Nancy and she testified to this at
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Speaker 1: the trial that Cosby had been following her career, invited
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Speaker 1: her to his hotel. Remember she was a glamorous model
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Speaker 1: in the eighties. This is when this allegedly she still
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Speaker 1: glamorously Page your glasses go ahead and gave her wine
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Speaker 1: and a pill, and she said she fell asleep in
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Speaker 1: his hotel room after drinking wine being drugged, and she
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Speaker 1: woke up to him raping her. She wanted to include
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Speaker 1: this in her autobiography, but her publisher cut it out.
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Speaker 1: They say, we're afraid to be suited, so we're not
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Speaker 1: including this. But there is evidence to back up what
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Speaker 1: she's saying, because in twenty two thousand and six, she
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Speaker 1: was being interviewed on Howard Stern and she said Bill
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Speaker 1: Cosby had been inappropriate with me. But I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to go into details because I'm scared. But Nancy, a
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Speaker 1: lot of women. Yeah, it's funny how you get sued
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Speaker 1: for telling the truth. Yeah, that happens. Go ahead, if
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Speaker 1: you came forward, Nancy. After the Me Too movement broke out,
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Speaker 1: and sixty women have accused Bill Cosby of sex assault.
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Speaker 1: So Cosby's lawyers are upset. You know, I really like you.
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Speaker 1: I like you a lot. But reality, you said they're
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Speaker 1: complaining because unrelated victims. Right, No, you said unrelated accusers.
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Speaker 1: Hold your horses, little boy, because these are not unrelated accusers.
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Speaker 1: Their stories were heard by the judge and they were
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Speaker 1: deemed to be similar transactions incidents committed by Bill Cosby
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Speaker 1: in the past that are so similar to his attack
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Speaker 1: on Andrew Constat that they prove motive, modus operandi, method
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Speaker 1: of operation, course of conduct, frame of mind. Basically fingerprint
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Speaker 1: crimes so identical to the case in chief that one
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Speaker 1: tends to prove the other. In other words, a similar
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Speaker 1: transaction victims, not unrelated accusers prove the case in chief.
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Speaker 1: That's what a similar transaction is, is is it not? Jim
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Speaker 1: elliott Yeah, certainly an answer that cut upotit section four
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Speaker 1: or four B among people in your world, and you know,
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Speaker 1: and I'm confident you know what, Jim elliott I always
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Speaker 1: loved it on elevators in the courthouse when lawyers would
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Speaker 1: start saying things like you just did spouting out section
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Speaker 1: four O, four A B, subparagraph dot dot I, or
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Speaker 1: even better, when they try to use Latin terms they
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Speaker 1: learned in law school like racips a loquatur, or there's
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Speaker 1: so many to pick from and you just watched the jury.
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Speaker 1: Eyes just glaze over. Okay, that's sad. Similar bad, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: go crazy, okay, similar transactions. And so I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think what's gonna happen oftimoy Supreme Court's going to conclude,
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Speaker 1: and the trial judge made a very thorough analysis and
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Speaker 1: found that the prior acts, the other similar transactions were
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Speaker 1: relevant to the case. And I think this claim goes away.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 1: You just heard Levi Page say there were at least
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Speaker 1: sixty other women that made sex attack claims on Bill Cosby,
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Speaker 1: and only these five were allowed in front of the
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Speaker 1: jury as similar transaction events, which is allowed in court.
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Speaker 1: I brought in so many similar transactions. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know how many I brought in in cases that I
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Speaker 1: tried in front of juries. But right now, guys, I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to this, let me hear,
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Speaker 1: let me find what I want to hear. It is
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby himself speaking to my old friend Larry King.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Spanish fly was the thing that all
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Speaker 1: boys at from age eleven on up to death. We
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Speaker 1: will still be searching for Spanish flyer. And and what
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Speaker 1: was the old The old story was if you took
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Speaker 1: a little drop, it was on the head of a pint,
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Speaker 1: matter it didn't make it, and the girl would drink it.
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Speaker 1: And she's hello, American straight out to doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: medical doctor and psychiatrist. What is Spanish fly? I don't know, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I'm so nate. I would need to look that up.
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'll out Spanish fly well. I met
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Speaker 1: Clorde Stiger nos Clode Stiger. Spanish fly. The name has
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Speaker 1: come up in so many sects at cases. Great. What
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Speaker 1: is it? It's allegedly an aphrodisiac that will turn them
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Speaker 1: in onto you or something. I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 1: have any personal experience with it. I'm glad to hear that.
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Speaker 1: In the Cosby assault trial, Queludes came into evidence. His
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Speaker 1: admitted use to using Spanish fly on women that he
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Speaker 1: wanted to rape did not come into evidence. What came
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Speaker 1: into evidence was his surreptitious doping of women and once
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Speaker 1: they would pass out, he would then proceed to rape them.
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Speaker 1: Many of them describe him even wearing the same bathrobe
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Speaker 1: every time, women that were separated in time and space.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: our friend Janice Dickinson tells me, Janics, what was the
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Speaker 1: preach hands of flying you there? He told me that
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Speaker 1: I was going to get a job on the Cosby Show.
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Speaker 1: That I was going he was going to get you know,
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Speaker 1: talk to me about, you know, putting me on the
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Speaker 1: Cosby Show. And he also told me, you know, I
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Speaker 1: heard you were singing, you want a singing career, because
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Speaker 1: he knew prior to that that I had been in
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Speaker 1: rehab in nineteen eighty two, you know, and he had
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Speaker 1: heard because he contacted me in rehab. Then you know,
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Speaker 1: sent me a couple dozen red roses, this married pig,
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Speaker 1: and he told me that he wanted me to h
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Speaker 1: He'll have someone hit there helping me with my questions
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Speaker 1: career of if a married man sent me a couple
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Speaker 1: of dozen roses, I would, I would. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: a different it's different. And women, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: If you get flowers or something or fruit, but when
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Speaker 1: you get red roses, a dozen long stem red roses,
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Speaker 1: that sends a completely different message. You're hearing the voice
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Speaker 1: of supermodel Janice Dickinson telling me about how Bill Cosby
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Speaker 1: raped her crime stories with Nancy Grace right now. Believe
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Speaker 1: it or not, Cosby's conviction is in jeopardy. The case
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Speaker 1: is being appealed based on two major claims. There will
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Speaker 1: be other claims thrown in the pot, just throwing it out,
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Speaker 1: see what sticks. The two that are concerning. Number one
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Speaker 1: is the claim that the judge allowing similar transactions. Five
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Speaker 1: other women testify as to their rape at the hand
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Speaker 1: of by Bill Cosby, one of them as Janice Dickinson.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Bill Cosby called me out
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Speaker 1: of the blue and he said, can you come by
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Speaker 1: and see me? And I was like, of course, And
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Speaker 1: I went up to his hotel and I was alone,
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Speaker 1: and he talked about let me see what type of
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Speaker 1: acting skills you have. I want you to improv. And
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Speaker 1: as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink
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Speaker 1: and then he brought it to me. It was a
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Speaker 1: brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told
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Speaker 1: him I didn't drink. He said that this was going
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Speaker 1: to relax me so that the lines would flow out
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Speaker 1: a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made
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Speaker 1: a second drink and add me drink the second drink
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Speaker 1: as well. I noticed myself getting on the edge of
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Speaker 1: the couch. He said, come over here and have a seat.
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Speaker 1: He had his legs open and when I sat down,
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Speaker 1: I was sitting down in between his legs with my
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Speaker 1: back to his crotch. He started to stroke my hair
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Speaker 1: back in a petting motion like this. The last things
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Speaker 1: I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head.
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Speaker 1: After that, I don't remember anything else. I remember speaking
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Speaker 1: with Janice Dickinson with so many other of his victims.
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Speaker 1: Karla Frigno, who is the wife of the hult Loufrigno,
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Speaker 1: who describes his assault on her. The list is endless,
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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel, Jim Elliott, doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger, and Levi Page. Cloyd Steiger. Very often when
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Speaker 1: you deal with a rapist, you will find they don't
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Speaker 1: go from zero to sixty mph overnight. They have a history,
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Speaker 1: and that's just what we see with Cosby. Agree or disagree? Oh,
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Speaker 1: absolutely agree. They you know, they start out small and
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Speaker 1: workede and grooming, which accelerates other things, rubbing against women
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Speaker 1: and sometimes ultimately to whether it's forceful rave or drugging
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Speaker 1: somebody and rapping them like in this case. And it
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Speaker 1: just does. Yeah, it's a pattern of Behavior's who they are,
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Speaker 1: and there's not much they can do about it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. So people have to be protected from
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Speaker 1: those type of people. I want you to take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Just to add insult to injury. Throughout this Camille Cosby,
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's wife has remained largely silent. Well, she broke
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Speaker 1: her silence, and I certainly wish she had not take
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Speaker 1: a listen to what she says, but me too. Movement
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Speaker 1: and movements like them have intentional ignorance pertaining to the
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Speaker 1: history particular white women, not all white women, but particular
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Speaker 1: white women who have from the very beginning, pertaining to
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Speaker 1: the enslavement of African people, accused black males of sexual
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Speaker 1: thought without any proof whatsoever, no proof anywhere on the
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Speaker 1: face of the earth. And by glory that history, they
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Speaker 1: have put out a lie in itself, and that is
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Speaker 1: because I'm female. I'm telling the truth. Well, history disproves
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Speaker 1: that as well, and gender has never ever equated with truth.
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Speaker 1: So they need to clean up their acts, and that
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Speaker 1: all of us, as women who have not participated in
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Speaker 1: any seeing nefarious, we know how women can lie. We
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Speaker 1: know how they can do the same things that men do.
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Speaker 1: That some men do because they are good men and
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Speaker 1: bad men, they're good women and bad women. You have
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Speaker 1: called your husbands and cheesers a mob of women and
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Speaker 1: say that he was railroaded. What would be the motivation
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Speaker 1: for dozens of women to come forward with similar accusations
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Speaker 1: against your husband, accusing him of sexual soul? And also
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Speaker 1: we have to be mindful that they weren't all white.
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Speaker 1: I mean there were several black women in those who
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Speaker 1: came forward. Yeah, just joining the group. You're hearing our
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Speaker 1: friend at ABC News that was Lindsay Davis questioning came
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Speaker 1: on Cosby. You know to doctor Angela Arnold, how blind?
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Speaker 1: What self induced blindness do you have to conjure up
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Speaker 1: in order to believe one man, be it your husband
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Speaker 1: or not, versus sixty women and blame it on quote
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Speaker 1: women know how we are, how we can lie completely
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Speaker 1: discounting all these women and probably a lot more that
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Speaker 1: never came forward, then blaming it hopping on the misery
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Speaker 1: surrounding the horrible attack on George Floyd using that and
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Speaker 1: then basically when that doesn't fit your argument as to
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Speaker 1: certain of the victims, you go, oh, they're all just
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Speaker 1: lying to just jumping on the bandwagon. I mean, how
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Speaker 1: can you ignore the truth? And I also believe Nancy
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Speaker 1: when she when she says these things, it's going to
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Speaker 1: make anything else. She says completely unbelievable, because it's none
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Speaker 1: of what that is not true. How can and how
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Speaker 1: can you make such broad, sweeping judgments about everybody, about
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Speaker 1: every woman, who ever is going to say that they weren't.
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Speaker 1: Women are never going to get anywhere, or are they.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to be able to say that they've
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Speaker 1: been assaulted if other women are going to come out
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Speaker 1: and say, well, you're just lying about that, They've got
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Speaker 1: an uptill battle to climb anyway, don't they. And I
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Speaker 1: was just hearing Lisa lot Lublin speaking to her my
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Speaker 1: longtime friend, doctor Phil describing how she was drugged and
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Speaker 1: raped by Cosby. So even right here, as we've been
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Speaker 1: talking for these very few brief moments, we've already heard
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Speaker 1: the words of multiple victims, separated in time and space,
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Speaker 1: giving this same account. I want you too, now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Gloria Alread. I woke up
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Speaker 1: some time later hearing voices, and it was my friend
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Speaker 1: Judy leaving. I was now in the living area on
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Speaker 1: the couch with my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open.
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby came and sat down with me on the
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Speaker 1: couch and asked me if I was feeling okay. He
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Speaker 1: had me leaning against him on the couch while his
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Speaker 1: arm was around me, and it was then he put
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Speaker 1: his hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then
25:33
Speaker 1: helping me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was
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Speaker 1: in no condition to leave. I was so humiliated that
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Speaker 1: I had passed out, and I didn't know what had happened.
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Speaker 1: He had assured me that it was okay to take
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Speaker 1: the pills, but obviously it was not. I woke up
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Speaker 1: the next morning naked in bed with a naked Bill Cosby.
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Speaker 1: He was touching my belly and on my genital area.
25:57
Speaker 1: The phone rang and it seemed to be a business
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Speaker 1: so I got dressed and went downstairs to leave. I
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Speaker 1: was mortified at what had happened. He came down and
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Speaker 1: met me at the front door, and as he opened
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Speaker 1: the door for me, he stopped it part of the
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Speaker 1: way before I could get out, and he said these
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Speaker 1: exact words, this is between you and me. That was
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Speaker 1: Gloria's client Janice Baker Kenny describing what happened to her.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who are you going to believe all this
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Speaker 1: one guy or all these people that tell the same story.
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Speaker 1: You would have to believe that they all got together
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Speaker 1: somehow and they've all agreed to lie on Bill Cosby.
26:44
Speaker 1: I mean, how likely is that? Jim? Very much not so.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, again, I'm very confident to trial judge
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Speaker 1: consider this because I mean, they're a risk and bobbed
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Speaker 1: with allowing these similar transaction. But I'm confident a judge
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Speaker 1: just a very good job and discerning what was appropriate
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Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. You guys, we're talking about
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. It's not over yet, believe it or not.
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Speaker 1: As his wife Camille Cosby comes out fighting blaming the
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Speaker 1: Me Too movement, His case is on appeal, It's heading
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Speaker 1: to the highest court in Pennsylvania on multiple grounds. Take
27:39
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC News, as is
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Davis with a jurar from the case. What was
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Speaker 1: the evidence that made you sure beyond a reasonable doubt
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Speaker 1: that he was guilty? I think it was his deposition, Really,
27:53
Speaker 1: Miss Crosby admitted to giving these coeludes to women, young
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Speaker 1: women in order to have sex with them. When Andrea
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Speaker 1: was on the stand, did you believe her? Yes? What
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Speaker 1: about those other five women who tells about If you
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard from the other five and you just had
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Speaker 1: her word. Would that have mattered to I don't think so,
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Speaker 1: because in the deposition he stated that he gave these
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Speaker 1: drugs to other women. I don't think it really necessarily
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Speaker 1: mattered that these other five were more here because he
28:23
Speaker 1: said it himself that he drugs for other women. So
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Speaker 1: you found it to be his words that were the
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Speaker 1: most damning of all. Yeah, but when you entered the
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Speaker 1: room for the first time, were you sure that he
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Speaker 1: was guilty now? So what then made the difference for you?
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Speaker 1: Once you started deliberating, hearing everyone's comments about certain pieces
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Speaker 1: of evidence and going through the different counts. So you
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Speaker 1: don't feel even now that it was an open and
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Speaker 1: shut case now, And that's what you want a gurar
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Speaker 1: to say. You don't want them coming in with their
28:55
Speaker 1: mind made up. You want them to hear the evidence
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Speaker 1: and identify which was the most important evidence that led
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Speaker 1: to their decision, be at conviction or acquittaled. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing a Jerrard Harrison Snyder speaking with Lindsay Davis
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Speaker 1: about why the jury convicted Bill Cosby, and one of
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Speaker 1: the main reasons was that he admitted to giving women
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Speaker 1: queluds and having sex with them when you're passed out.
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Speaker 1: You can't give consent to sex. That is rape. It
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Speaker 1: is not consensual sex because you can't give consent when
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Speaker 1: you're passed out, totally out of it to doctor Angela
29:36
Speaker 1: Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, exactly what is
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Speaker 1: a quelude? I know you, you know you're struck out
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Speaker 1: on Spanish fly? How about queylus? Can you answer that?
29:46
Speaker 1: Arnold Aude is a sedative hypnotic. So it puts people
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Speaker 1: to sleep, and it has horrific side effect. It's so
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Speaker 1: dangerous to do this to someone, and that's what it does.
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Speaker 1: It puts people to sleep. It can also have other
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Speaker 1: side effects in none it can make Mene have a
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Speaker 1: sustained erection. I don't know if he took the quelu
30:15
Speaker 1: because that would probably make him fall asleep, but it
30:17
Speaker 1: makes people fall asleep. In a stunning decision that could
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Speaker 1: affect the framework not only similar transaction law, but the
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Speaker 1: me too movement that we have all fought so hard
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Speaker 1: to advance, and appellate court in Pennsylvania is going to
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Speaker 1: hear claims by Bill Cosby that his case should be
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Speaker 1: reversed and thrown out if a higher court rules at
30:45
Speaker 1: the prosecution in any way is guilty of misconduct, the
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Speaker 1: case could be thrown out with prejudice. That means with
30:56
Speaker 1: no retrial possible. That's what that means. So the first
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Speaker 1: claim is that the similar transactions should not have been
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Speaker 1: brought in and the second claim back do you leave?
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Speaker 1: Page refresh plays the second claims. The second claim, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is that he was under a deposition in a civil
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Speaker 1: suit where he admitted that he gave women drugs to
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Speaker 1: make them go to sleep. He admitted that he had
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Speaker 1: done that in the past before at parties. And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Spanish fly. What exactly that is. It's a
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Speaker 1: beatle in southern Europe which emits a chemical from it
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Speaker 1: to attract female partners, and it lures females to them
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Speaker 1: during mating season. And in the eighties there was this
31:48
Speaker 1: speculation that you could get these beetles and get that
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Speaker 1: chemical from them, and they would sell it as supplements.
31:55
Speaker 1: It's mouth been debunked. It doesn't work with humans, but
31:58
Speaker 1: people in fratrees and the eighties used to take this
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Speaker 1: and put it in female's dreams, thinking that it would
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Speaker 1: make females attracted to them and be open to them sexually.
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Speaker 1: So that's what Bill Cosby was talking about, and he's
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Speaker 1: actually admitted to it in depositions. And his lawyers are saying, look,
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Speaker 1: he only agreed to do this deposition because he entered
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Speaker 1: into a no prosecution agreement with in the Andrea Constant
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Speaker 1: case back when she first made the allegation and they
32:32
Speaker 1: declined to press charges. They're saying it should have never
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Speaker 1: been allowed into evidence. As a matter of fact. Take
32:38
Speaker 1: a listen to six ABC reporter Alicia Vitarelli. This is
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Speaker 1: a big break in this case, a big moment for
32:45
Speaker 1: his team. Right now, the eighty two year old Cosby
32:47
Speaker 1: is behind bars and Skippack Township, Montgomery County. I spoke
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Speaker 1: with two members of his legal team today. They have
32:53
Speaker 1: been appealing Cosby's conviction for the past two years. They
32:56
Speaker 1: say the timing of this decision is big, especially given
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Speaker 1: current protests calling for racial justice and equality. Part of
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Speaker 1: the thing is criminal justice reform also, so we feel
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Speaker 1: that this is the road to vindication from mister Cosby,
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Speaker 1: and we're very excited that state Supreme Court would even
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Speaker 1: consider agreeing to review his trial. The court has only
33:23
Speaker 1: agreed to review two aspects of the case, as he
33:25
Speaker 1: says he had with former District Attorney Bruce Castor that
33:28
Speaker 1: he would give a deposition in a civil lawsuit only
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Speaker 1: if he would never be charged in the case. But
33:36
Speaker 1: that testimony from the civil case was admitted as evidenced
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Speaker 1: by another DA in the criminal trial in twenty eighteen. Guys,
33:45
Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot of legal wrangling about Cosby's words
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Speaker 1: under oath in a civil deposition regarding Andrew Constant. He
33:53
Speaker 1: claims he had an immunity agreement that if he testified
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Speaker 1: under oath that the deposition, he would never be prosecuted
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Speaker 1: for that. Well, that immunity agreement came under attack, But
34:05
Speaker 1: let's just cut the bs. Take a listen to Katherine
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Speaker 1: McKee speaking to the New York Daily News. So I
34:13
Speaker 1: arrived at the hotel, knocked on the door. He opened
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Speaker 1: the door. He was wearing a robe and a hat cap.
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Speaker 1: And I stepped in and he took the ribs out
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Speaker 1: of my hand, set them down on a table, shut
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Speaker 1: the door, pulled me to him, spun me around and
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Speaker 1: had his way with me. And it was very quick
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Speaker 1: and very fast, and it wasn't even there was nothing
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Speaker 1: I was shocked because I had known him for such
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Speaker 1: a long time and we had a friendly friendship relationship,
34:45
Speaker 1: and it stunned me. And it happened quick fast, bada boom,
34:53
Speaker 1: over and out. I pulled myself together and went into
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Speaker 1: the powder room, you know, straightened myself up, and Bill
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Speaker 1: went and got dressed, came back out and joined me in.
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Speaker 1: We left. Come on, let's go. We left. We went
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Speaker 1: to get in the car and go to this party,
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Speaker 1: which I was driving him, because that's why I had
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Speaker 1: come there, was to pick him up. So bottom line
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Speaker 1: to you, Jim Elliott, you're hearing yet another victim who
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Speaker 1: I also spoke with, describing her rape at the hands
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Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby. How did the immunity agreement get tossed?
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Speaker 1: Was there ever really an immunity agreement to start with?
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Speaker 1: Let makes you wonder. I mean, I have to believe
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Speaker 1: he was not rich enough to give the civil deposition
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Speaker 1: without doing so. But I mean, you know, that's something
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Speaker 1: I think there's not an extensive news coverage about. I'm
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Speaker 1: really curious to hear about the extent of the agreement
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Speaker 1: and it's bonding authority on other prosecutors and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. Well, I find it very difficult to believe
35:47
Speaker 1: that a secret agreement that allows a very wealthy defendant
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Speaker 1: to get out of a rape case. Find it very
35:57
Speaker 1: difficult to believe that that is going to be upheld,
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Speaker 1: and basically leaving any attempt at justice snake bit. I
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Speaker 1: don't agree you can basically buy an immunity agreement, but
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Speaker 1: we'll see as justice unfolds. Bill Cosby appealing his case
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Speaker 1: to the highest court in Pennsylvania. Nancy Grace Crime Story
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,