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- 0:42On September 24th, 2018, a new Instagram influencer came onto
- 0:46the scene and his content would become far more influential than
- 0:51probably even he could imagine. Standing outside a landmark in
- 0:55Scotland, the influencer posted his first selfie with the
- 0:58caption Quote the beautiful Dune Castle, also film location for
- 1:03Monty Python hashtag John Pork. If you're familiar with the
- 1:08iconic John Pork, then you'll know he's not a real human man.
- 1:12John Pork is an AI generated virtual influencer, depicted as
- 1:17a man's body with a pig head. And though he's certainly not
- 1:20the first virtual influencer to crop up on social media, John
- 1:24Pork and the various memes surrounding his likeness became
- 1:28one of the most notorious, penetrating the mainstream and
- 1:31introducing millions of social media users to an early
- 1:35iteration of AI slop. This is an exploration into the
- 1:40rise and consequences of AI. I slob how and why the Internet
- 1:44has become overrun with disturbing and bizarre mass
- 1:48produced brain rock content devoid of meaning, and if that
- 1:51means the Internet actually is becoming less human or maybe
- 1:56even dead. So if you've ever watched a
- 1:58TikTok and thought who made this and why does it have 10 million
- 2:02views? This one's for you from
- 2:05Centennial World. I'm Lauren Meisner and this is
- 2:08infinite scroll, a podcast about Internet culture, the creator
- 2:12economy and how social media is shaping Gen.
- 2:15Z Welcome back to infinite scroll, everyone.
- 2:19I'm excited for this episode. I actually can't believe we
- 2:21haven't talked about AI slop yet.
- 2:23I know we mention it a lot like in this podcast and also on
- 2:26mini, and I think Annabelle mentions it a lot on mini tech
- 2:29just in context of different stories, but diving into the
- 2:33phenomenon of AI slob. I can't believe we haven't done
- 2:36this before. So before we get into it, as
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- 3:04The AI boom has defined the past three years or so online.
- 3:08Whether through the widespread use and accessibility of ChatGPT
- 3:11or various AI powered image generating tools, it's no secret
- 3:15that we have entered a new era of online culture.
- 3:18And with that has come a lot of discourse.
- 3:21Many pundits have expressed their concern over AI, pointing
- 3:25to its ability to spread misinformation, take jobs from
- 3:28journalists, and as a result, rock the media landscape as we
- 3:32know it. However, one of the arguably
- 3:35unforeseen consequences of the AI boom has been the rise of AI
- 3:39generated slop across the Internet.
- 3:42Slop typically refers to nonsensical AI generated
- 3:46content. This may be AI generated text
- 3:49that is completely full of mistakes or is written in an
- 3:52unnatural way, or it may be images that have that weird AI
- 3:55generated smooth look to them on content that makes no sense.
- 4:00According to reporting from the New York Times Times, the use of
- 4:03slop as a descriptor originated in 2022.
- 4:06Many have gone on to attribute a developer named Simon Wilson as
- 4:10one of the early adopters of the term, but Wilson told the
- 4:13journalist quote I think I might actually have been quite late to
- 4:16the party. In the piece, journalist
- 4:19Benjamin Hoffman explains quote The term sprung up from 4 Chan
- 4:22Hacker News and YouTube comments where anonymous poster sometimes
- 4:26project their proficiency in complex subject matter by using
- 4:30in Group language. It isn't necessarily really
- 4:32surprising that AI slop and the word itself originated on select
- 4:37platforms and within niche communities.
- 4:39This is often the case when it comes to memes and other online
- 4:42phenomena before they hit the mainstream.
- 4:45But one of the earliest examples of AI slop that entered the
- 4:48online zeitgeist in a meaningful way was the AI generated image
- 4:52of Pope Francis wearing a puffer jacket from early 2023.
- 4:57The picture was initially shared on Facebook and Reddit, where
- 5:00the original poster was subsequently banned from Reddit
- 5:02hours after posting. Many Internet users went on to
- 5:05believe that the image was legitimate, using it to quote
- 5:08criticize the Catholic Church for lavish spending.
- 5:12To be honest, this incident was definitely one of the least
- 5:15harmful and weird instances of AI slob.
- 5:18But it's also the perfect example of how AI generated
- 5:21content is a hotbed for misinformation and confusion,
- 5:25especially on platforms like Facebook.
- 5:27Many people attribute this to the fact that older generations
- 5:31predominantly use Facebook, claiming that people with less
- 5:34media literacy and familiarity with the online space may be
- 5:38easier to quote UN quote dupe with slop.
- 5:40But of course, the vast amount of AI slop on Facebook may
- 5:44partly also come down to issues around metas, moderation
- 5:47policies, or a user's interest and engagement farming.
- 5:51But more on this later. As Charlie Worzel explained for
- 5:54The Atlantic last year quote, AI slop is most prevalent on
- 5:58platforms such as Facebook, where click farmers and spammers
- 6:01create a collaborate networks to flood pages and groups with
- 6:04cheap fake images of starving children and Shrimp Jesus in the
- 6:09hopes of going viral, getting likes, and picking up creator
- 6:13bonuses for online engagement. This kind of content has even
- 6:17spilled over into the political sphere, with Rozelle in the same
- 6:20piece for The Atlantic characterizing the MAGA
- 6:23aesthetic as AI slop. But that honestly deserves its
- 6:26own dedicated deep dive. While AI slop can take many
- 6:30different forms, it typically shares a few defining
- 6:33characteristics. As Ryan Broderick pointed out in
- 6:36an edition of the Garbage Day newsletter last year, this kind
- 6:39of content often feels worthless, yet is also
- 6:43inescapable. He outlined a couple key traits
- 6:46of AI Swap. It is mass produced, imposed on
- 6:49users rather than sought out, and primarily driven by
- 6:52algorithms rather than organic human interest.
- 6:55Despite its perceived lack of value, it spreads quickly,
- 6:59dominating feeds and shaping online spaces and ways that are
- 7:03hard to ignore. Broderick even takes it so far
- 7:05as claiming that AI Slop isn't confined to social media and AI
- 7:10alone, but rather content more broadly.
- 7:13He goes on to argue that Slop is spreading across digital
- 7:16platforms, including corporate giants like Netflix.
- 7:19Quote 2018 seems to be the part of Netflix's Slop era.
- 7:23In December, it released Bird Box, the last time I remember
- 7:27pressing play on a Netflix movie expecting it to be good,
- 7:30Broderick writes. This isn't to say Netflix
- 7:33doesn't make art anymore, but after 2018 the production of
- 7:37Slop clearly outpaced everything else and now stumbling across
- 7:41something I like on there is a fun surprise rather than the
- 7:44defaults. From Brodericks analysis it is
- 7:47clear just how frustrating the onslaught of Slop can be.
- 7:50Other analysts have made similar claims, and Rebecca Jennings is
- 7:53one such example. In a piece published for Vox
- 7:56last year, she spoke to the rise of AI slop within the aesthetic
- 8:00fall content niche. While we're used to seas of
- 8:03orange leaves, pumpkin spice lattes, and Christian girl
- 8:06autumn content flooding our feeds during this time of year,
- 8:10she made the claim that fall inspo is essentially just AI
- 8:13slop these days. She went on to share how this is
- 8:16making online spaces more frustrating.
- 8:18While it is quite a niche example, she pointed to the
- 8:21online knitting community, noting that they were quote
- 8:24being inundated with nonsensical AI patterns and inspo images.
- 8:28Users, in turn, had to sift through fake content, blurring
- 8:32the line between what's real and fake.
- 8:34As the slob becomes the new normal quote, the crux of the
- 8:38issue now is the sheer scale of it, Jennings continues.
- 8:41Scammers and spammers can unleash a barrage of texts and
- 8:45images with the click of a button, so searches for
- 8:48legitimate information or a casual scroll through social
- 8:51media require even more time. Time and effort to bypass the
- 8:55junk. The vast amount of this type of
- 8:57content has led to the rise of various theories around what
- 9:00this means for social media users and the Internet at large.
- 9:04The principal theory among them, of course, is the dead Internet
- 9:07theory. Now, we have discussed this
- 9:10before on the podcast, mostly on mini scroll episodes, and we
- 9:13even touched on it in last week's Infinite Scroll, but it's
- 9:17honestly such a widespread theory that it warrants further
- 9:19analysis here. So let's break it down.
- 9:22The dead Internet theory is a conspiracy theory that
- 9:25essentially claims the Internet has been taken over by AI.
- 9:28In other words, the majority of the content we consume is no
- 9:31longer human generated, but instead created by bots and
- 9:35various AI tools. The theory has been around for
- 9:37years, with many articles and journalists pointing to a post
- 9:40titled dead Internet theory. Most of the Internet is fake, as
- 9:44one of the earliest accounts of this theory, but it was a 2021
- 9:48article by Caitlin Tiffany in The Atlantic that marked one of
- 9:51its earliest discussions in stream media.
- 9:54As she explains quote, Dead Internet theory suggests that
- 9:57the Internet has been almost entirely taken over by
- 10:00artificial intelligence. Like lots of other online
- 10:03conspiracy theories, the audience for this one is growing
- 10:06because of discussion led by a mix of true believers, sarcastic
- 10:10trolls, and idly curious lovers of chitchat.
- 10:14As Tiffany touches on the dead, Internet theory has been met
- 10:17with a lot of pushback. Many analysts and Internet
- 10:20culture enthusiasts remain unconvinced by the theory.
- 10:23But that's not to say that there aren't more and more people
- 10:26acknowledging the sheer amount of AI content taking over our
- 10:29feeds. In a recent journal article
- 10:31published in AI and Society, author Yoshiya Walter reinforces
- 10:35his claim, writing quote 10 years ago.
- 10:38The theory used to be rather speculative, but with the wake
- 10:41of generative AI, it can now be observed first hand and it
- 10:45highlights a disturbing trend, the blurring lines between human
- 10:49and AI driven interactions. Instagram Reels is a case in
- 10:52point. Reels is flooded with AI
- 10:55generated brain rods. While not all of us may be so
- 10:58lucky to fall on this side of the algorithm, Reels has
- 11:01everything from Minions to John Pork memes to Skippity inspired
- 11:05clips of famous cartoons fighting it out.
- 11:08In a recent edition of his newsletter, The Nerd, Adam
- 11:11Alexic listed some of the most popular content on reels, noting
- 11:15quote AI generated content has gone from being the anomaly to
- 11:19being the norm. Stock characters like LeBron
- 11:22James get 10s of millions of views when edited into absurd
- 11:25scenarios like milking a cow or jumping out of an airplane or
- 11:29kissing baby Shrek. There is no denying that much of
- 11:32this content is funny, is not insane, but it is also slob,
- 11:37offering no real value to social media users.
- 11:40Alexik and his piece continues by noting how pervasive AI
- 11:44generated content is on the platform.
- 11:46Scrolling through 20 videos on his feed, only four of these
- 11:49clips were not made by AI. Though this data was definitely
- 11:53skewed based on previous content he had consumed and engaged
- 11:56with, he notes that quote each of those reels had millions of
- 12:00engagements from real users, meaning that those numbers
- 12:03wouldn't be off base for many normal.
- 12:06These claims have been corroborated by other research.
- 12:09Pulling from a study published in Cornell University's preprint
- 12:12server Arcsif, Fast Company journalist Chris Stockel Walker
- 12:16claims that AI slop is quote suffocating the web.
- 12:19Analyzing more than 30 million documents ranging from customer
- 12:23complaints to press releases to job postings, the researchers
- 12:27tracked the growth of AI generated content online before
- 12:30and after Chat GPT's release. Quote Following the November
- 12:3330th, 2022 release of Chat ChatGPT, the estimated
- 12:37proportion of content in each domain that saw suggestions of
- 12:40AI generation or involvement skyrocketed from a baseline of
- 12:45around 1.5%. In the 11 months prior to the
- 12:48release of ChatGPT, the proportion of customer
- 12:51complaints that exhibited some sort of AI help increased
- 12:55tenfold, he explains. Ultimately, the surge of AI
- 12:59generated content has only fueled dead Internet theory for
- 13:02some users. But for the skeptics, let's
- 13:05suspend in disbelief for a moment.
- 13:07If AI truly dominates the online world, it's easy to see why the
- 13:11chronically online would spiral into panic.
- 13:14AI generated content and bots threaten the integrity of
- 13:17digital information and weaken the community driven essence of
- 13:20social media. That said, fear over the
- 13:23Internet's quote UN quote fakeness isn't new, it's just
- 13:27evolving with technology. Writer Robert Mariani pointed to
- 13:30some other instances of similar panic for The New Atlantis in
- 13:342023 for context and transparency, This journal was
- 13:38founded by a socially conservative think tank in
- 13:40Washington, DC. Nonetheless, Mariani equates the
- 13:43rise and panic around dead Internet theory to that of
- 13:46Gamergate and various quote, Russian troll farms that emerged
- 13:50during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
- 13:53Quote Beneath these panics is a collective gut instinct that
- 13:57hiding behind the one man, one account facade of the Internet
- 14:01could all too easily be something else and impersonal
- 14:04manipulative force. This is the substance of the
- 14:07dead Internet theory, the sign of the web user who feels the
- 14:10weight of garbage that's been choking the web for the last
- 14:14several years. Now, this is definitely not a
- 14:16perfect comparison, but it does speak to a challenge that has
- 14:20come to define the digital age, one that will only be
- 14:23intensified by AI generated slop.
- 14:25Despite this, platforms are doing almost nothing to limit
- 14:29it. If we consider Reels again for a
- 14:30moment, many Internet culture commentators and experts have
- 14:34taken issue with the way Meta approaches this kind of content,
- 14:37using the output of AI generated content to their benefits.
- 14:41First off, Instagram champions engagement creators aren't
- 14:44necessarily rewarded for quality content, but rather the
- 14:47frequency that they post and of course the amount of users who
- 14:51interact with their posts. As Rebecca Jennings perfectly
- 14:55puts it for Vox quote, this moment of peak slop is the
- 14:58natural culmination of platforms that incentivize virality and
- 15:02engagement at all costs, no matter how low quality the
- 15:06content happens to be. As for how AI plays into this,
- 15:10the pace at which creators can push out AI generated content is
- 15:14much quicker than UGC and other types of videos.
- 15:17And in a world where engagement is king, it makes sense why
- 15:20creators would start prioritizing these kinds of
- 15:22videos. On top of this, Meta has fully
- 15:25embraced AI, making it clear that they are unbothered by the
- 15:28way this content is taking over the Internet.
- 15:31For instance, the company previously introduced a suite of
- 15:34AI generated characters. While they were later removed,
- 15:37Meta went on to launch an AI studio, a way for users to
- 15:40create AI characters and chat bots.
- 15:43More recently though, Meta has started testing AI generated
- 15:46comments. As reported by TechCrunch, Meta
- 15:49AI will analyze the photo before generating 3 suggestions for
- 15:52comments. Another important factor to note
- 15:55about the AI slop on Instagram Reels is that it can be very
- 15:58unpredictable. Users deeply entrenched in brain
- 16:00rot and all the lore around it would have a high literacy and
- 16:04AI slop, but for those who aren't, it may often catch them
- 16:07off guard. The thing about brain rot and AI
- 16:09generated memes is that a lot of it is self referential, meaning
- 16:13if you haven't seen the origins of a particular meme, it will
- 16:16probably just leave you confused.
- 16:18And considering how rogue the content on Instagram reels can
- 16:21get, it's easy to feel this way. But this is also a part of the
- 16:26AI slops power. In a piece for The Atlantic at
- 16:29the end of last year, Caitlin Tiffany explored a new strategy
- 16:32behind engagement farming, and that is to capitalize on
- 16:35confusion. While she wasn't solely speaking
- 16:38about AI powered content, this concept can definitely be
- 16:41applied to AI generated brain rot and the weirdness that
- 16:45ensues on this side of reels. Tiffany in the article discusses
- 16:49how she'd come across different videos where she couldn't quite
- 16:52tell whether they were a joke or not.
- 16:54As she explains, quote RB Fidelman appears to be the
- 16:56point. These videos are short, and like
- 16:59all other Instagram Reels, they autoplay on a loop.
- 17:03That's how they succeed. The people who produce them care
- 17:06only that I take the time to wonder and that the loop keeps
- 17:09looping while I do. They aren't meant to make you
- 17:11angry or upset. They aren't playing off your
- 17:14curiosity. They're just trying to confuse
- 17:16you. And they work.
- 17:18Like I said, this confusion isn't universal.
- 17:21It's more likely to affect people who randomly stumble onto
- 17:24the side of the Internet, but even those deep in AI generated
- 17:28memes and brain rot aren't immune.
- 17:30They might instantly recognize some AI content, but with
- 17:33certain images or videos they might also find themselves re
- 17:37watching to figure out if it's real or fake.
- 17:39Let's be honest, we've all been fooled by an AI generated photo
- 17:43or clip at least once. In a similar vein, there is also
- 17:46rage bait adjacent AI slop that drives engagement.
- 17:50Not all of it is designed to make people mad necessarily, but
- 17:53much of this content is problematic.
- 17:55Scroll through Instagram Reels long enough and you'll
- 17:58inevitably run into a stream of racist, homophobic, and
- 18:01discriminatory quote UN quote memes.
- 18:04It is not worth dissecting the content of these videos
- 18:06necessarily, but they often animate wildly racist
- 18:10stereotypes or capitalize on painful historical moments.
- 18:14And at the end, it's all about creating a spectacle, driving up
- 18:17views, and getting people to lock in, for better or worse.
- 18:21In a piece for Four O 4 Media, Jason Kobler discusses the goal
- 18:25behind these posts, noting that quote, the strategy of these
- 18:28types of posts is to make a human linger on them long enough
- 18:31to say to themselves what the fuck?
- 18:34Or to be so horrified as to comment what the fuck or send it
- 18:37to a friend saying what the fuck.
- 18:39All of which are signals to the algorithm that it should boost
- 18:42this type of content, but are decidedly not signals that the
- 18:46average person actually wants to see this type of thing.
- 18:49Once again, with social media platforms rewarding engagement,
- 18:53they aren't doing much to stop this harmful content spreading,
- 18:56even when it veers into problematic territory.
- 18:59This has ultimately allowed the creators who are making this
- 19:01type of content to monetize discriminatory AI slop.
- 19:05In the same piece, Kobler notes that many of these AI first
- 19:09creators have managed to make money through this kind of
- 19:12content from Instagrams bonus program, which offers direct
- 19:16payouts. And with many of these videos
- 19:18receiving millions of views, they remain incentivized to post
- 19:22because dollars are what comes next.
- 19:25Adam Alexic for his newsletter interviewed some of these quote,
- 19:28UN quote racist Instagram creators, noting how the pursuit
- 19:31of virality is the goal and the, quote, extreme nature of their
- 19:34content is merely a by product. The Instagram account AI Network
- 19:39TV told Adam that, quote, when a video reaches a certain level of
- 19:42grossness or weirdness that I find disturbing, I know it might
- 19:46go viral. So I export it and post it.
- 19:49With social media now driven by virality and profit, things are
- 19:53looking pretty bleak. Chasing engagement isn't new.
- 19:56It's been the game for over a decade.
- 19:58This is especially true since TikTok took over as the main
- 20:01cultural engine. And one major consequence, lofty
- 20:04as it sounds, is the erosion of human creativity and sincerity
- 20:09and content. Over time, we've seen the power
- 20:12of content shift. Take online activism, for
- 20:15example. While the online efforts during
- 20:17the 2020 Black Lives Matter movement weren't perfect.
- 20:20They weren't overrun by AI generated noise drowning out the
- 20:24real voices and lived experiences.
- 20:26Now content and virality are the priority, not the message users
- 20:31or the creator behind it, pushing creativity and
- 20:34earnestness to the back burner. As Damon Bears puts it for the
- 20:37Atlantic quote, AI SOP is lubricant for broken algorithmic
- 20:41machinery poured into a social network.
- 20:44And if you've done the alchemy right, the gears will turn and
- 20:47turn. This is the Internet synthetic
- 20:49maximalist moment where fake content leads easily to
- 20:52superficial interaction. Aiden Walker in his Sub Stack
- 20:56newsletter How to Do Things with Memes, expanded on what
- 20:59replacing human content and communication with AI slop
- 21:03actually means. First, he suggests that the
- 21:05decline of human generated content ensures the balance of
- 21:09power remains with the platform. As Walker explains quote, slop
- 21:13helps control people. If through AI slop, they can
- 21:16crowd out actual human voices on platforms, not only will they be
- 21:20free from the obligation of paying creators, but they will
- 21:24control more of the conversation.
- 21:26As we've already touched on, there's been growing discourse
- 21:29and commentary circles about how users are more preoccupied with
- 21:33content itself over the actual creativity.
- 21:37We've seen this shift from communication to consumption,
- 21:40where users increasingly visit platforms to consume content
- 21:43rather than connect with one another.
- 21:45This ultimately reflects just how commercialized the space has
- 21:48become. While many creators still aim to
- 21:51produce meaningful content and encourage community, others
- 21:54fully embrace the churn. This speaks to how our content
- 21:57consumption habits have shifted. As I mentioned last week, we
- 22:00have become incredibly passive consumers with algorithms and
- 22:04recommended pages dictating what we see.
- 22:06This has made it easier to engage with content for content
- 22:09sake. AI slop and low quality posts of
- 22:12that nature included. To return to the era of quality
- 22:15content, the solution requires collective action from social
- 22:19media users. Quote it has to come from us,
- 22:21the user, the viewer, the consumer and there's a lot of us
- 22:25now we have to be the ones to demand that we all make less,
- 22:28aim smaller, be more deliberate about what we consume and find
- 22:32new ways of funding and distributing what we do make.
- 22:36Ryan Broderick concludes another major consequence of the rise of
- 22:40AI slop is that AI generated content is actively limiting
- 22:44human to human interaction online.
- 22:46Take the recent Studio Ghibli AI trend as an example.
- 22:49Users worldwide we're quick to jump on the trend, using ChatGPT
- 22:54to giblify various pictures. It kicked off after Open AI
- 22:57launched its Images for ChatGPT tool, allowing users to generate
- 23:02images within ChatGPT itself. Soon after this feature went
- 23:05live, people began using it to transform existing pictures into
- 23:09images that looked like Studio Ghibli animation to them.
- 23:12The trend sparked concerns around the ethics of AI pulling
- 23:15from different artistic styles. Users are concerned about Open a
- 23:19Eyes failure to protect artists intellectual property.
- 23:23Thinking about the labor that goes into creating these
- 23:25animations, it's hard not to see the problem.
- 23:28Open AI replicates the hard work of these animators without
- 23:31crediting or compensating the original artist.
- 23:34While Studio Ghibli definitely has received the most traction,
- 23:37this isn't the first time Internet users and artists have
- 23:40expressed concern. In 2023, for example, Kyle Chaka
- 23:44reported for The New Yorker on a class action lawsuit against MID
- 23:48Journey and two other AI imagery generators on behalf of artists.
- 23:52Quote. In some sense, you could say
- 23:54that artists are losing their monopoly on being artists.
- 23:57With generative AI, any user can become an author of sorts.
- 24:00So where does that leave us? Well, for now, we're scrolling
- 24:05through platforms increasingly saturated with SOP, confused,
- 24:09entertained, horrified, and most of all, exhausted.
- 24:13The Internet is overrun with algorithmically generated junk
- 24:17that doesn't just dominate our feeds, but distorts our
- 24:19perception of what's real, what's valuable, and what's even
- 24:23worth engaging with. And as we're drowning out human
- 24:25presence, online platforms don't seem to care as long as we're
- 24:29watching our feeds feel less like reflections of human
- 24:33experience and more like simulations of it.
- 24:36Content made for us, but not by us.
- 24:39And that's possibly the scariest part.
- 24:42If AI slop continues to replace creativity and communication,
- 24:46what does that mean for the future of the Internet?
- 24:48And if real people are being drowned out by content farms,
- 24:51fake engagement, and algorithmic manipulation, where does that
- 24:55leave the social in social media?
- 24:57That's a deep dive for another day.
- 25:00Infinite Scroll is a podcast produced, presented and Co
- 25:03written by me Lauren Meisner for Centennial World.
- 25:06This episode was researched and Co written by Annabelle and
- 25:09David. Thank you so much for listening.
- 25:11I love you guys and I will talk to you next week.
- 25:14Bye.