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Chuck & Buck 11-17 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: dot com. Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom
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  Speaker 1: Grin and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 2: Mike old Gridle join us at nine o'clock. Hugh Millan
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  Speaker 2: with us here for the next couple of hours. Are
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  Speaker 2: QB one is becoming fresh off a loss in Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles to the Rams, the final score of twenty one
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  Speaker 2: to nineteen. Ashley Ryan's here, Bucky Jacobson. My name is
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Pollowey. Now welcome or QB one. Hugh Millan too
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  Speaker 2: the radio program This Morning. Good morning, Hugh, Good morning,
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  Speaker 2: How are you great?
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  Speaker 3: So much to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine we'll spend a lot of time on
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  Speaker 2: Sam donald's four interceptions, and I would imagine we'll spend
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time on Mike McDonald's defense and how
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  Speaker 2: well it adjusted after that early start by Matt Stafford.
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  Speaker 2: So where does it start though, with Hugh Millan, where's
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  Speaker 2: the conversation begin?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I just think it's a really disappointing that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody on that football team was ready to play, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say Sam Donald wasn't, but but
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  Speaker 4: you saw the defense, the goal line stand, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to start the game, and they just played with great intensity.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, for the Seahawks to have four interceptions,
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  Speaker 4: for Sam Donald to have four interceptions, I mean since
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  Speaker 4: two thy and ten, there have been teams one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and five occasions when a quarterback or a team had
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  Speaker 4: exactly four interceptions the team with foreign interceptions, and I
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  Speaker 4: chose twenty ten. It's a round number. It's the first year.
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  Speaker 4: John Schneider the team with foreignerceptions is seven and ninety eight.
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  Speaker 4: If you and that's just all teams and the and
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  Speaker 4: the average score, you can expect it to be thirty
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  Speaker 4: one to fifteen to lose the game versus teams that
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  Speaker 4: are five hundred are better. Now it goes to three,
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  Speaker 4: your three wins versus fifty eight eight losses. And the
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  Speaker 4: Rams came into yesterday having won seventy eight percent of
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  Speaker 4: their games for the year. If you filter that and say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you got you're gonna you're gonna throw four interceptions against
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  Speaker 4: a team that has a win percentage of seventy five
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  Speaker 4: percent of more, I go back to the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the century. You're one in forty nine. I don't even
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  Speaker 4: have to drag a calculator to know that you got
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  Speaker 4: a two percent chance to win that game. That's what
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  Speaker 4: you told Mike Donald, Mike McDonald before. If you'd have
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  Speaker 4: told them before, hey, you're gonna have to overcome foreign interceptions,
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  Speaker 4: you got a two percent chance. And damn it, they
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  Speaker 4: almost did it. With with all of that calamity, they
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  Speaker 4: almost did it. And and it took some real you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: prayers on the behalf of the Rams in some sense
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  Speaker 4: in the kicking game, uh, that that Seattle didn't win
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  Speaker 4: that game after having you know, uh dominated them and
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  Speaker 4: in yours uh and in time of possession. So I
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  Speaker 4: think just really unfortunate for the entire football team that
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback had that kind of game in uh in
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  Speaker 4: this in this situation.
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  Speaker 5: Was it all bad throws, bad decisions?
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  Speaker 6: To me?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I could be completely wrong. It felt like
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  Speaker 5: there was like a little bit of a hesitation which
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  Speaker 5: allowed a couple of those the guys to jump in
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  Speaker 5: front of them, or was there some sort of scheme
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  Speaker 5: or you know, moving guys around hiding coverages that mixed
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  Speaker 5: him up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's a lot going on on all
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  Speaker 4: four of them. But you know, the first one, you're
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  Speaker 4: facing a mann, a man with just a four man rush.
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  Speaker 4: That means there's an opportunity for an extra hole player,
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  Speaker 4: got a post safety. The quarterback's going to see that
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  Speaker 4: free safety. But then the other safety he's gonna come
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  Speaker 4: down into the low safety that's Kitchens. But originally Kitchens
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  Speaker 4: lined up to present kind of a too high to
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  Speaker 4: Sam Donald's right, as if he was over the top
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  Speaker 4: of JSN. JSN was running a go route and for
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  Speaker 4: all of his attributes. He doesn't have great long speed,
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  Speaker 4: so it would there wasn't much separation. But you look
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  Speaker 4: on the left side, Donald ends up throwing to Cooper Cup.
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  Speaker 4: Cooper Cup was standing on the twenty yard line and
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  Speaker 4: he's getting pressed by fourteen co Durant. You tell a receiver, hey,
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  Speaker 4: if you're held up, shortened up, And yet it's right
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  Speaker 4: there on the tape. Cooper Cup goes from all the
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  Speaker 4: way to the thirty nine yard line. That's a nineteen
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  Speaker 4: yard curl after having been jammed at the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 4: That is just way too deep. So Darnold's looking at him.
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  Speaker 4: And then you have other issues with the Here you
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  Speaker 4: got Oloa Timmy, who's thought to be the better run blocker,
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  Speaker 4: not pass blocker. And because you have to take Gray's
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  Speaker 4: abel and help him with Charles Cross against Jared Verse,
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  Speaker 4: now you have the the unwanted situation where both guards
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  Speaker 4: are fanning. The right guards going to his right, the
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  Speaker 4: left guard's going to his left, and ol Timmy is
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  Speaker 4: just matched up with no help, and so he gets
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  Speaker 4: overrun and and he's right back in the pocket, so
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  Speaker 4: he takes a quick l and and then you have
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  Speaker 4: things like the running back. You've got K nine. In
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  Speaker 4: man to man you would on a checkdown over the ball.
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  Speaker 4: You you can't just stop. You got you want a
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  Speaker 4: coach to move left or right. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm putting it on K nine. I'm just throwing on
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  Speaker 4: the tape and saying there's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 4: are going wrong on that play for the Seattle Seahawks.
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  Speaker 4: Standpoint and Sam Donald, look, it's first down. He uh,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's got to know that he's eyeballing him. It's
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  Speaker 4: bad timing. But Kitchens is able to read his eyes
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  Speaker 4: and come on and get the interception on the on
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  Speaker 4: the second one. The problem really is that as you progress,
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  Speaker 4: the more you progress through the sequence of these, the
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  Speaker 4: worse it gets. For Jays for excise me, for Sam
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  Speaker 4: Darnald on the on the third quarter, on third and nine,
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  Speaker 4: he's throwing the the what's called the Oak route against
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  Speaker 4: cover four. There's no disguise just for for across. But
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  Speaker 4: here's the thing. On an Okie route for decades and
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  Speaker 4: even even today, you see teams the you line up
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  Speaker 4: with your inside leg forward and you're outside back, and
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  Speaker 4: and teams will do this and the and and thus
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  Speaker 4: you have your third inside step is the sixth step.
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  Speaker 4: And that's how the timing works. So when when J.
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  Speaker 4: S N puts his inside leg back, that means his
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna go a seventh step instead of a sixth step.
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  Speaker 4: So Donald is waiting on that. That's helping the corner
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  Speaker 4: to squat. And that's the detail. You say, well, does
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  Speaker 4: that really matter? Yeah, it really matters. It's the NFL
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  Speaker 4: inches matter. Details matter, and and uh and and by
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  Speaker 4: the way, uh, you have h H. Bradford there on
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  Speaker 4: a stunt just you know, just really pour the right
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  Speaker 4: guard just you have a total free runner into Donald that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Donald threw that on two The NFL tabulated
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  Speaker 4: at two point one seconds. Uh that on that second interception.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, the first one had been three point
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  Speaker 4: four on the one to Arroyo. As it gets worse,
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  Speaker 4: the you know, that was on a first and twenty
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  Speaker 4: after a penalty. But you're you're only down fourteen to twelve.
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  Speaker 4: You're down two points in the third quarter, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, I just look at that and the balls
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  Speaker 4: on the right hash you're trying to get two verticals.
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  Speaker 4: They're rolling over the top of jas onto the right
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  Speaker 4: side kitchens. He turns his hips to the sideline as
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  Speaker 4: if he's gonna defend the whole shot, which would be
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  Speaker 4: the line drive go route up the right sideline. But
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  Speaker 4: the window just somehow. This is the part about quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: This is why quarterbacking is difficult, because you have to
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  Speaker 4: see it before it happens. The window. You got to
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  Speaker 4: anticipate that window. And you look and you say, by
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  Speaker 4: NFL standards, somehow, some way, there's got to be a
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  Speaker 4: flash in his brain that says red light, red light.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I'm my my tight end isn't clearing the
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  Speaker 4: underneath coverage, arroyo. The safety is in a position to
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  Speaker 4: bang on there, and you know, and just the yes,
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  Speaker 4: uh a slight hesitation, but that that was that that
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  Speaker 4: that that's all. These are double minuses and you know
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  Speaker 4: and I when I look at that. So they're playing
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  Speaker 4: a cover six. They're rolling on the uh the coverage
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  Speaker 4: to the right, to the right side to to UH
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  Speaker 4: J s N on the left side. We're on the right,
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  Speaker 4: we're on the on the left side. Rather, we've got
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  Speaker 4: the new receiver that uh heat and he's running the
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  Speaker 4: out route and so they're away from the rotation, and
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  Speaker 4: you got to just say, look if you don't, if
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to throw that, then we either got
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  Speaker 4: we shouldn't have spent a fourth and a fifth rounder
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  Speaker 4: to get him, or we got to get a new court.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's the wide side of the field, but
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  Speaker 4: you one from shotgun one, two, three, put your foot
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  Speaker 4: in the ground and rip that thing to the far
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  Speaker 4: side of the field because that's what they're where the
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  Speaker 4: coverage is telling you to go. And so so you know,
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  Speaker 4: again that's a double minus. And then on the on
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  Speaker 4: the third and three, I mean, okay, yeah, you're down
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  Speaker 4: or you're down nine points, but a field goal at
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  Speaker 4: that point, if we just dirt the ball, if we
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  Speaker 4: just dirt the ball, we're having it. We're trying a
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  Speaker 4: fifty four yard field goal.
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  Speaker 6: Is it a gimme?
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  Speaker 4: No? But Myers had already made a fifty seven yarder.
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  Speaker 4: So now you if you dirt the ball, you got
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  Speaker 4: your you're kicking. I'm not saying you're getting the three
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  Speaker 4: points because because your fifty four yards is not a layup,
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  Speaker 4: but you got a chance at least and and so
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  Speaker 4: uh on that one there, that's a situation where they
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  Speaker 4: they disguise the coverage. They end up in what's called
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  Speaker 4: a two invert cover two invert. So to Sam Darl's right,
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be safety over the top and a corner
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  Speaker 4: in the flat. But the invert part, what what why
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  Speaker 4: do you tag that invert? That's because to his left
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  Speaker 4: the corner instead of playing a corner, he's gonna run
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  Speaker 4: and he's gonna play the safety the way you would
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  Speaker 4: see in a in a in a two deep a
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  Speaker 4: cover two defense with one safety and any left. But
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  Speaker 4: it's the corner and then the linebacker is gonna buzz
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  Speaker 4: out in the flat. A recognition by Darnold would have
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  Speaker 4: had j San on A on an intermediate outbreaking route,
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  Speaker 4: a kind of a short sail to his left, but
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  Speaker 4: by the kind he kind of misses it there. And
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  Speaker 4: that one he had good protection. The other ones not
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  Speaker 4: not as much. But uh, you know in the in
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  Speaker 4: the window royal, the earlier one, the seam, I mean
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  Speaker 4: there's a guy in his face. The NFL had had
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  Speaker 4: that at two point six seconds he's trying to throw
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  Speaker 4: out of a well. So so when you talk about
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  Speaker 4: the different factors, uh, yeah, there there's there's scheming there's
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  Speaker 4: protection issues, what have you. There's miss reads and and
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  Speaker 4: uh and so he he doesn't he doesn't recognize the
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  Speaker 4: two invert and that he would have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: get JSN out on the left. And then he comes back,
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  Speaker 4: you know, looking for an outlet and to try and
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  Speaker 4: get you know, a vert of sack and doesn't see
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  Speaker 4: a guy and and and then there you have another interception.
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  Speaker 4: So so uh, you know, that's kind of the nuts
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  Speaker 4: and bolts of it. There's more on my notes, but
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  Speaker 4: but you'd probably get the point. Yeah, well, four interceptions,
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  Speaker 4: that's the that's the point of it all. Humilanis with
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  Speaker 4: us here on Monday morning quarterback. And it wasn't just
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  Speaker 4: the interceptions, unless Greg Olsen and I both got confused
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  Speaker 4: by it. He also missed what looked to be a
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  Speaker 4: sure fire touchdown. I mean, yeah, Forbes made a nice
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  Speaker 4: recovery and swats the ball away from Rashid Shaheed, but
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  Speaker 4: there was that drive where you had to settle for
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  Speaker 4: your fourth field goal of the day, and a bad
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  Speaker 4: hold by caller up and then a looked like an
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  Speaker 4: underthrow to me from Darnold kept Shaheed from scoring a
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  Speaker 4: touchdown that would have been put you up at that point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: single safety, nobody over the top. It's just it's press. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: there's zoning an uh inside but that you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: the equivalent of man to man. And and some people
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  Speaker 4: say you got to put more touch on it. I
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  Speaker 4: think for some quarterbacks when you go press cut, when
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  Speaker 4: you when you have a bump and run, also term press.
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  Speaker 4: I'm using those terms synonymously. A lot of quarterbacks like
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  Speaker 4: to have a lower trajectory because you can get the
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  Speaker 4: ball on him soon. You don't have your brain doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have to calculate leading the receiver as much, so you
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  Speaker 4: kind of throw it on a lower line. I mean
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  Speaker 4: I I used to marvel. All the announcers would say,
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  Speaker 4: oh man, you got to put and you've got to
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  Speaker 4: put air on that. And and I played both with
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  Speaker 4: and against Dan Marino for the Dolphins and with the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots against him, and man, that dude would would if
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  Speaker 4: he had press coverage, he would he would line drive
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  Speaker 4: that thing up the sideline to Mark Duper and those guys.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean the ball didn't get more and ten
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  Speaker 4: feet off the ground, and and he says, look, I
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  Speaker 4: can be more accurate that way. So I don't have
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  Speaker 4: a problem with the trajectory. It just he didn't throw
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  Speaker 4: it far enough. It's real simple, you know. I mean
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  Speaker 4: that one is say sometimes the cigar is just a cigar,
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  Speaker 4: and he underthrew himself thought farther.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, was there things that you saw that
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  Speaker 5: Sam or just offensively, maybe it was play calls that
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  Speaker 5: that helped the kind of stagnation of the offense when
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  Speaker 5: they got down in the red zone, because settling for
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  Speaker 5: four field goals obviously just one of those things changes
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  Speaker 5: and you find yourself in a different thing at the
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  Speaker 5: ball game at the end of the ball game too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think a couple of things in the
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  Speaker 4: red zone. You know, there was only where I got
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  Speaker 4: my red zone. I got a entire notes for the
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  Speaker 4: red zone.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The couple things there were. I think they were a
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  Speaker 4: little bit conservative on both first down runs. On the
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  Speaker 4: first two they they didn't they just ran the ball
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  Speaker 4: to Hallani Hallani yards.
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  Speaker 6: I knew that.
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  Speaker 4: And then and then and then we got, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for another first down and you know, given to Charbonne
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  Speaker 4: for no gain. So and then when you look at
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  Speaker 4: all of the plays, how many times did they throw
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  Speaker 4: to the end zone. Uh, with a legitimate chance they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: There was just I didn't think that they were running
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  Speaker 4: concepts that that allowed for multiple guys in the end zone.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Uh, we're gonna have coach home grin on here.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot a lot of people. Coach, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you some uh two or three opportunities
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  Speaker 4: touchdown or checkdown. I'm gonna give you some opportunities with
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  Speaker 4: somebody in the back of the end zone. So we
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  Speaker 4: throw it high in the back of the end zone,
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  Speaker 4: we throw it low in the front of the end zone,
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  Speaker 4: and and there just wasn't a lot of opportunities, so
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  Speaker 4: there ended up being checkdowns because there may be be
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  Speaker 4: one or nobody in the end zone. And and I
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  Speaker 4: think that as we're talking about the uh the different
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  Speaker 4: elements of it, excluding the last two drives on neutral
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  Speaker 4: downs that's define his first and ten or second and
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  Speaker 4: six or less, the Seahawks ran the ball twenty times
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  Speaker 4: and only threw it eleven outside of those last two drives,
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  Speaker 4: when obviously the clock dictated you had to throw so
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  Speaker 4: so that that was manifested. I think there was a
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  Speaker 4: conservativism that that that I didn't love and and certainly
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  Speaker 4: in the red zone that played out, but uh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you got you got to hit that. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 4: a you get the duo play. Duo is just double
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  Speaker 4: teams at the point of attack. You don't have a
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  Speaker 4: backside poller. And so so that that the running back
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  Speaker 4: has got to he's got to read the middle linebacker
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  Speaker 4: because you're going to be slow to get to him.
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  Speaker 4: And if you have an opportunity to bounce, you got
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  Speaker 4: to bounce. Kenny Walker ran that beautifully, just absolutely perfect.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. If that was holding, then
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  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say there's ninety nine holdings per play
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  Speaker 4: because that was the week. Now there was the other one.
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  Speaker 4: I saw a Gray's abel on a on a third
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  Speaker 4: down and he was arm and and Anthony Bradford. There
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of times where there should have been holding,
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  Speaker 4: so I guess it all evens out. But on that that, uh,
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  Speaker 4: that holding was a very weak holding. And and you know,
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  Speaker 4: so you just have all these situations where you go, okay,
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  Speaker 4: that missing the go route to see heat, that's a
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  Speaker 4: four point miss. The holding call is a four point
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  Speaker 4: holding call. You know, not being able to punch in
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  Speaker 4: I mean when you're you know, at one point you
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  Speaker 4: had first and goal at the seven after the barner
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  Speaker 4: tuss push. Gotta hate to use that term, and I
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  Speaker 4: hate to see the play, but but uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: credit the Rams because they uh, you know, they just
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  Speaker 4: cover guys up well. And then and then when they didn't,
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  Speaker 4: there was a time on a checkdown, they ran on
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  Speaker 4: a third down, they ran JSN on on a fade
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  Speaker 4: to uh to Donald's right, and then it was a
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  Speaker 4: trips left overload. And there's a term called flanker drive,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: very very ubiquitous. Mike Holman's probably called that play ten
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  Speaker 4: thousand times flanker drive where you have you have Cooper
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Cup on a shallow crossing, you got an intermediate in route,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: and then they had a follow by the second tight
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: end barner and it can be hard to sort that
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: out when especially when they had a running back to
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: the swing. Anyways, they had a really nice concept and
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: we've seen Donald when he's had the time, you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: whistle through his progression and that would have been a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: walk in touchdown. But that was a play where Gray's
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: abel got beat and Donald had to do that lway
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: spin and and you know, now once once you know
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: you're fifteen yards behind the goal line, the chance of
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: getting a completion and running to your left, he just
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: had to you know, throw it to the cheerleaders and
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: kick a field goal. So yeah, it was it was.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: It was really key, you know, those three opportunities that
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you had to score touchdowns and you got Instead of
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: twenty one, you got nine. So there's a lot of
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: different areas you can say, well, there's your game. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: It's Chuck, Buck and Ashley with you here on this
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  Speaker 2: Monday as we react along with our experts to yesterday's
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  Speaker 2: twenty one nineteen loss in Los Angeles to the Rams.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks bad day for Sam Donald. Four interceptions in
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the game. We highlighted or lowlighted those in our first
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: segment with our.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: QB one, Hugh Millen.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: But I do want to highlight something here, Hugh. I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: do want to get your take because I thought, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm, you know, drinking the kool aid. Maybe
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I'm the local guy that's given the local head coach
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: too much credit. But I thought Mike McDonald sort of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: confused Matt Stafford, who's one of the toughest guys to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: confuse in the National Football League. I mean, other than
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: handing him seven points in the first quarter and then
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: they had one touchdown drive. The entire game felt to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: me like matt Stafford was giving up on an awful
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: lot of plays because he just had nowhere to throw.
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  Speaker 4: How did you see it? Yeah, that's exactly how I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: saw it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about how Mike McDonald was brought
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: into battle, you know, on a chess board with Sean
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: McVay and Kyle shanahan, and we're talking about the Rams
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: today and I'll just say this, Mike McDonald is winning
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: those matchups. And if you don't agree with me, we're
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: gonna have to meet under a freeway behind the railroad tracks,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: and only one of us is coming out alive. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's gonna be me, but you're you're
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: you're gonna have blood either way, because if you look
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: at that Matthew Stafford in the last two years, he's
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: gone against twenty head coaches, and his completion percentage against
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald's fifty three and a half percent, that's twentieth
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: out of twentieth. His yards per tempt five point one,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: twentieth out of t twenty coaches okay yards per game
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy four. That's eighteenth, third down conversions
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  Speaker 4: fifteen point eight percent, eighteenth, passer rating nineteenth. So uh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: and then you know similar numbers for Sean McVay if
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: you if you throw out the JV game that in
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Week eighteen, that nobody had any but anything to play
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: for last year. So there's been two matchups. Remember now,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: last year in Seattle, the in regulation, the Rams only
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: scored thirteen points against the defense. It was Gino Smith
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: game up one hundred and six yard pick six and
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: essentially that's what you saw yesterday with the pick down
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: to the three yard line. And so there was just
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: thirteen points last year. So Sean McVay, if we're going
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: coaching matchups, you've got if you just following upon or
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: a kickoff, if you if you can just do that,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: you have the Seahawks only whowing one point one eight
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: points per drive. That's eighteenth out of twenty. That's that's
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: less than half of what the forty nine ers give
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: up for a fifty yard field or more. If the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Seahawk defense has a half a field or more to defend,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: they are only allowing to the Rams one point five
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: points per drive. Again, that's eighteen and the only one
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: who did better was in a weird game an Tony
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Pierce with the head coach of the Raiders. So I
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: promise you Matthew Stafford wants no part of Mike McDonald
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: and Sean McVay. Is is that rascal? Holy cow? So, yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: there was a matchup. It was big time, it was anticipated,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: it was discussed. We've seen two of them now and uh,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: you know, but for the offense given a three point field,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: excuse me, a three yard field and a twenty five
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: yard field, there's only one long touchdown, you know. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I see it exactly the way you do.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Early on the broadcast was harping on the idea of
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: McVeigh switched some stuff up with their personnel, their thirteen
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: personnel where they were instead of spreading it out the
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: way that he did when he first came into the
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: league and was getting all the accolades he was that
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: he had done some stuff and it did look like
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: it was working. Did you see some sort of adjustment
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: that McDonald made to where it was pretty much non
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: existent or it wasn't working the same the rest of
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: the way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, First of all, going into the game of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: the last three games the Rams, the NFL average is
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: you get twelve yards per game out of thirteen personnel.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: The second place team was fifty yards per game. The
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Rams were first at one hundred and sixty yards per
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: game out of thirteen personnel. So what did what happened?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: What happened yesterday? They had eighteen plays forty nine yards
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: two point seven yards per play. And in the passing game,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: where excuse me, where Stafford had had eight touchdowns in
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: the last three games. In that Stafford goes three for
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: six for four yards. Now he did get a touchdown
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: out of that group, but but again four yards in
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the passing game. So so what he saw there was
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: a mixture of nickel and dime, and and certainly they're
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: not going to play dime against the thirteen personnel. The thirteen,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: for those who don't know, that's one running back, three
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: tight ends, and one receiver. And so you've got guys
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: like Emon Worry who uh you know, he's he's got
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: the length even though he's a dB, he can he
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: can run, and Olcatta's coming down heel though the safeties
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: were really firing hard and kind of almost disavowing play action, saying,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: screw that you had. Ernest Jones had had on two
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: long runs, he had got out of a gap on
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: a lead. He was supposed to be in the B
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: gap on the inside edge of the B gap because
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Emon Warrey was on the outside, So they gave up
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: thirty something yards on that run. And then on a
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: stretch play where he was in the same gap with
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Leonard Williams, he should have been in a C gap
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: one gap over. He admitted it. It's clear on the tape.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden they just button that up.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: And then they had been hurt by tight end screens
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: in the first quarter, and now you literally see the
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: first play of the second quarter, Okata just he literally
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: throws to the ground on the of the intended tight end.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: He just not throws him because that would have been illegal,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: but but just Jackson and the dude falls down. They
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: were just totally ready for it. So everything that they
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: had seen in the first quarter and that had burned them,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: they made the adjustments. They played more man to man
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: for a while. They were more active in the set
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: from second quarter beyond in terms of the pressures that
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: they were bringing the simulated pressures. And what I really like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: because we discussed it last week, is that I liked
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: that they were coming off of Matthew Stafford's right side
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: as a right handed quarterback, which causes him to go
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to his left. That's a win. There's been times I go, oh,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: coach McDonald, that is such a beautiful blitz. Why are
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: you doing it from the left side, because now we
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: just lost contain a right handed quarterback ran away from
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: it and was able to get a completion and a conversion.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: And so I thought that that, you know, just in
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: every way that I mean the numbers I gave him
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: You saw the tape, the idea that you could take
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: a team at rioting as high as the rams and
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: you could be that damn close after having four interceptions.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: It's a testimony to the rest of the football team.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: It's a testimony in the defense and the scheming of it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know, Yeah, just unfortunate, but also
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: a lot to like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: All right, well, I do want to get a thirty
• 27:55
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millan is with us and he'll be with us
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: until ten o'clock. Mike Homeran joins the conversation at nine,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: but we get one more conversation solely here with Hugh.
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• 28:21
  Speaker 7: We''s seeing twice a year, possibly three. And to me,
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: it's like who evolves best from game to game, who
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: learns from it, who grows the most. He is gonna
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: get the advantage every time we play, but every time
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: we play it's been an absolute knockdown, track out fight.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald after last night's lost to the Los Angeles
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Rams twenty one nineteen.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Mike Homber will join us at nine o'clock. We got
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Hugh Millan here our QB one for the rest of
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the hour.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And we got him right in the right in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: crosshairs to ask him some really blistering questions here. So, Hugh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: we did talk about Sam Darnold's four interceptions is off game,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and really I think he'd raise his hand and say
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I cost us that game. I think that we can
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: all sort of accept that. That said, there was a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: narrative that started last week nationally, and you even touched
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: upon it on Friday about you know, maybe Sam Donald's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: not cut out for these big games and these big
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: moments and these huge matchups and great defenses like he
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: faced on Sunday. What is your thought after watching Sam
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: struggles Sunday about just big picture if he's the right
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: guy for this job.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I think for me, what I was trying to
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: say Friday is it's a bigger game for Sam Donald
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: than any of the other principles. It's gonna matter more
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: like if if Mike McDonald had a bad game, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: don't think people are gonna say, well, he's not a
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: good defensive coach. Certainly Matthew Stafford had you know, he
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: did have a bad game. You know, even if he
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: had thrown four picks, he's still going the Hall of Fame,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: right and on and on. Sean McVay is still going
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: to be thought. But I think that there's enough I
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: don't say lack of data in these circumstances that there
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: was a thought that, you know, what does this mean
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: for Donald? His last memory. Of course, he was with
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the Vikings, but it was a playoff lost to the Rams.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: It was ugly for not not really for Sam Donald
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: as much as the entire Viking offense. They took nine sacks.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I think the week before against the Lions it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: it was more ugly in that regard. And he's getting questions.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: He's getting questions in pre production meetings, he's from the
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: national guy, he's getting questions locally, and and so I
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: think it's I think it's tough. I still believe in
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: the guy. He's looked too good and won too many games,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: But excuse me, these next four games, he could be
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the NFC Player of the Week and everybody's gonna just say, yeah, well, well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: let's see what happens on December eighteenth. Yeah, guys, that's
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: when the Rams come into town. And until December eighteenth,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: there's nothing he can really do to rehabilitate himself in
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: the eyes of those critics.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean when it comes to the running backs,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, you guys were discussing a little bit. You
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: want to go deeper into the reason why or what
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: you think about the fact that Ken Walker's not even
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: getting what half of the carries out there.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: The reason why I'm a little bit flummex But just
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: let me say this. In my opinion, I think Canine
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: is the running back. Period into story for me. Let
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: me see if I can convince you there are twenty
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: nine running backs who have one hundred or more rush attempts.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: As Bill Parcel said, you know, you know how you
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: find who's a good running back hand on the ball
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: and see who gets yards. And so Canine is at
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: four and a half yards per attempts. Starbony is at
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: three point three. When you go buy sixcess. There's different
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: ways to hit this when you go buy success full,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: which is, you know, forty percent of the needed yards
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: on first down, sixty percent of the needed yards on second,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: and all of the needed yards on third or fourth.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Sharbonna has a slight advance forty four point eight percent
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: to forty four point one percent, but that does not
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: offset the following in explosive run percent. The NFL has
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: these stats twelve plus yards. You have can Canine at
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: ten point three percent. He's sixth in the NFL. The
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: percentage of the plays that become explosive. Zach Sarbina is
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: dead last twenty nine, out of twenty nine guys, only
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: three point eight percent turned into explosive runs. On twenty
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: plus runs. Knine has seven, Starbonne one ten ten yard runs,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Canine has nineteen, Sarbonne has four. And then and then
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: while their their yards post contact are almost exactly the
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: same yards pre contact, this is an interesting stat for me.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: While Sarbonne has point thirty nine pre contact, you have
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Canine has two point nine four He is he is
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: five and a half times that figure. Oh okay, what
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: does that mean? He that that would speak division, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: that would speak to his speed when he when he
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: sees that scretch and he sees a hole, he's the
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: only guy that can accelerate through the damn thing. And
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: that's there supposedly the bread and butter. What about him?
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: And the there was I was, uh, how about him?
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: In the passing game? I was, you know, going through
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: the and I have other notes on the Sam Donald
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: minus Tart. We went through the interceptions, but I've got
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: a whole nother I literally have a page at the
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: tops of ram u. Uh Sam Donald minuses and on
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: one of all I was going to give him, So
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: why didn't he throw the ball on that ten yard curl.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: He threw it. He only threw it to uh the
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: checkdown to Uh to Canine. Well, Canine took the ball
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and just turber buttoned it up the up the side.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: And you remember that one. Yep, you know in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: second episode like there, you just look at the tape
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: off enough and you just say, you get an idea
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: what these guys burst is. And there's nobody on that
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: football team that has a burst like Canaine and you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: a Mamy. I suppose you could say Rashid Shahida, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: you know, from the running back position, I don't get it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I wish they would stop. I know that there's been
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: issues about maintenance with his foot. He's probably you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: a good chance he won't be a Seahawk next year,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: last years of his contract. You know, use this man,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and to my eyes and the stats that I'm giving you,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: he's clearly the better running back. To me, it just
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: bothers me, like we're gonna be that investment. What do
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: we say on neutral downs? We had twenty runs yesterday.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Sorry I'm not on the team. The Seahawks had twenty
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: runs just eleven passes. So if you're gonna be that
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: committed to the running the running game. When you have
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a pro Bowl level quarterback, you're gonna be that committed.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Then that better be a dude. And we've got a
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: guy that is just a fringe starter, you know, backup
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: type guy, and we keep handling the ball in sharboney.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I just like, you know, yeah, if you want to
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: run it like that, give it to Canine please. All right,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: there's there's my soapbox. That's my thoughts on the running bow.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I actually wrote that down when I was taking my notes.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't like the usage of Walker in this game,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and I know Hugh won't. Well, have we done a
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: couple of shows together exactly?
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millan is with us our QB one. We've got
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: more Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh and with Mike Holmgren
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