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#126 - Iman Shumpert · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: How do I like the random applause? Yeah, fucking right, Cook?
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Speaker 1: Want everyone to go follow my podcast? Producer DJ cook
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Speaker 1: beats on Instagram. Puts in a lot of hard work,
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Speaker 1: A lot of hard work, lots of hard work. Yeah, hey, Cook,
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Speaker 1: how many times a week do you touch yourself? Every night?
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Speaker 1: So seven days a week you're jerking off? Out of
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Speaker 1: those seven days, how many multiple times? Like like, like,
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Speaker 1: how many days are you? Like, let me get two
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Speaker 1: or three in today, grab a mic. It just depends.
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Speaker 1: It just depends. What's your record at Like if you
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Speaker 1: had to put a number on the record for many
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Speaker 1: times you've jerked off on one day one day, what's
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Speaker 1: your record? Maybe when I was I don't know, like
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Speaker 1: three or four, that's it. Oh, that's terrible. I've done
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Speaker 1: at least eight eight Yeah, at least eight once. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: probably when I was like nineteen, yeah, or maybe sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Just you know, you have the whole house
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Speaker 1: all day until someone comes home and catches Yeah. Really anyway, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we got a great podcast today with an NBA superstar.
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Speaker 1: I love Imon Schumpert. I've been a fan of his
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Speaker 1: game for a very long time. He's currently working on
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Speaker 1: his music. He just went Dancing with the Stars season
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Speaker 1: thirty and by the way, he killed it like this guy.
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever had a better performance on
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Speaker 1: I happened to be a hardcore twenty sixteen Cavaliers advocate,
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Speaker 1: was actually a master debate him and I had, and
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Speaker 1: it was a good one. So shout out to him
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Speaker 1: on man, this is if you're a basketball fan. I mean,
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Speaker 1: talk to Alman Shumpert. Hopefully he doesn't hear this intro
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Speaker 1: because he's gonna be like, who the fuck did I
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Speaker 1: just sit down? With Yo. It's the bootleg keV show Man.
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Speaker 1: We got a special guest in here, NBA legend dancing
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Speaker 1: legend now also a pretty solid MC. We got Iman
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Speaker 1: Shepherd in the building. Man, welcome, what's going on both?
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Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations on Dancing with the Stars. I
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Speaker 1: assumed when you got on there, just knowing your background,
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Speaker 1: knowing who your wife is, you had a pretty easy
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Speaker 1: path to victory. I just assumed you were the betting favorite.
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Speaker 1: When I saw that you were a part of the cast,
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Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, there's like a mon's got to
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Speaker 1: come with it because your girl, low Key's one of
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Speaker 1: the hardest dancers of all time. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take it if that's what you felt.
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Speaker 1: But how like, like, oh I wish it was smooth
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Speaker 1: like that? What was that like? I mean, obviously I
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Speaker 1: didn't even know there was thirty seasons. I saw it
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Speaker 1: was a thirty season. That's crazy. It's it's a competition show.
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Speaker 1: It's not a I went it with the assumption that
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Speaker 1: I was gonna go in here and have a ball
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Speaker 1: and it was gonna be fun. Yeah, dancing for a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours, you know what I'm saying whatever, and
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Speaker 1: it's uh pretty hectic after a while. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It was like I damn it, didn't want to do it,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you get like this
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Speaker 1: is more work than I thought. You just get exhausted
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Speaker 1: with doing every dance that you don't know, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it's one thing to you know,
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Speaker 1: be a kid and learn how to walk once. Man,
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Speaker 1: But it's like if somebody tried to teach you how
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Speaker 1: to walk ten different ways as a thirty year old,
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Speaker 1: You're looking at them like, hey, bro, this looks better.
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Speaker 1: It feels better, So I'm gonna do this, like you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's what your mind wants
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Speaker 1: to say. And it was just like all the small technicalities,
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Speaker 1: it was just like to get my habits to break.
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Speaker 1: It was so difficult. I didn't think it was that difficult.
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Speaker 1: And I'm lucky that Danny State stayed in the practice
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Speaker 1: i mean rehearsal space with me for as long as
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Speaker 1: she did, because we did get a lot of practice in.
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Speaker 1: But by the time we did get the trophy though,
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Speaker 1: it was worth it. So it was definitely it was
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Speaker 1: definitely worth it. Man, was it like a different type
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Speaker 1: of challenge for you, obviously being an athlete, coming from
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Speaker 1: you know, being one of the however many people are
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Speaker 1: in the NBA. Was it three hundred and seventy people
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Speaker 1: in the NBA something like that, one of the three
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy best athletes in the in the world
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Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball to go into the dancing world, Like,
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Speaker 1: how how much of a different challenge was it for you?
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Speaker 1: It was a it's a big adjustment. It's uh, I say,
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Speaker 1: basketball is already kind of like poetry in motion, so
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Speaker 1: to speak, like you have to make smooth movements, uh,
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Speaker 1: with your athleticism. And I think that was like my
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Speaker 1: biggest advantage when when the weeks progressed, it was like
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Speaker 1: Danny started leaning on you know what I was good at.
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Speaker 1: You know, we started doing lifts, We start, uh, just
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Speaker 1: doing things every week that we start calling them moments.
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Speaker 1: But it was like we would have these moments that
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Speaker 1: you you feel something you don't really you're not really
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Speaker 1: just watching the show, just like the US thing. It
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Speaker 1: was like people felt that shit, like they felt like
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Speaker 1: we was really in the movie, like we was really
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Speaker 1: trying to remind them of the movements and play on
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Speaker 1: the tether version of ourselves. And it was like doing
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Speaker 1: that I think really boosted us. But the the the
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Speaker 1: adjustment from basketball to dancing, I think basketball is already
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Speaker 1: pretty much like we gotta do. It's kind of like dancing,
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Speaker 1: like I'm doing the wrong but like or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Ain't nothing but a finish over the right right right,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's a finish, So that's
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Speaker 1: a that's a reverse. That footwork is me getting around
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Speaker 1: the screen, you know what I'm saying, Like it's similar,
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Speaker 1: It's just I gotta make it fun. So I'm like
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Speaker 1: running around the rehearsal space like okay, euro step here
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Speaker 1: five six, seven, eight, Okay, that's you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Like that's how I was remembering here telling myself basketball terminologies.
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Speaker 1: As the footwork, I also feel like like just as
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Speaker 1: a person, like you've always been like naturally evolved into
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Speaker 1: like the space of like art in some way, whether
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Speaker 1: it's being an artist or fashion. And I feel like
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Speaker 1: the dancing shit, you know, like I said, it kind
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Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand with all that shit, especially
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Speaker 1: considering like again, Gianna is the goat, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, so it doesn't hurt, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's that's what I've been doing my whole life. If
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have went to the league, I wasn't gonna
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Speaker 1: sit on my ass like I wasn't gonna be you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, if something ever went wrong with
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Speaker 1: me in my life. Like you see people checking out early.
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Speaker 1: It's like, if I ever checked out early, how dare
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Speaker 1: I not try? You know what I'm saying, everything as
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Speaker 1: far as every competition, I'm offered to be in every opportunity,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, available to take on, Like
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't I take it on? Like when I got
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Speaker 1: the Dancing with the Stars call, It's like, yeah, normally
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Speaker 1: and then you see it. I mean, by the way
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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice was on Dancing with the Stars and some
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Speaker 1: of the greatest smith Yeah, Floyd was on there. That's
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Speaker 1: what really threw me off. I'm like, Floyd was on there.
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember that. That's crazy. Exactly thirty seasons.
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Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was like, there was thirty
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Speaker 1: How old am I? And it's like you go there,
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Speaker 1: you're watching it, and I'm they're like, yeah, the football
9:25
Speaker 1: players usually do way better than you guys. I'm just
9:28
Speaker 1: like what other basketball players had participated in. I feel
9:31
Speaker 1: like there was Rick Fox, Lamar Oldham, Clyde Drex the Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just saw Rick Fox in a movie that I
9:43
Speaker 1: didn't know he was in recently. I remember which one.
9:45
Speaker 1: I was watching, some movie from two thousands. I was like,
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Speaker 1: Rick Fox, and I have to tell you this. I'm
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Speaker 1: a Phoenix Suns fan, but I am also you know,
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Speaker 1: the Sons have been in a dumpster fire or until
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Speaker 1: you know recently, so from like uh nine until recently,
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Speaker 1: just whatever team Lebron's been on has been my team,
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Speaker 1: you know, outside of the Suns. You see, I got
10:12
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley up there. But uh, I haven't had more passionate,
10:19
Speaker 1: screaming conversations with other grown men about I've had more
10:26
Speaker 1: of those arguments about your Cavaliers teams with than anything
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Speaker 1: else in my life. I'm talking. I've had screaming matches
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Speaker 1: with grown men about the Cavaliers. Oh it's serious, Like
10:39
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm saying, like, obviously you got traded in
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Speaker 1: what twenty fifteen in the middle of the season, right,
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Speaker 1: or was that the Calves from the Knicks. Was that
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Speaker 1: the trade that when you and gr came over. Yep, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that season, right, and so I just I just want
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Speaker 1: to go over that that time period, man. Now, that
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Speaker 1: first year was one of the biggest what if year's
11:01
Speaker 1: ever And every time I argue with the Warriors fan,
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Speaker 1: like this fucker right here, my producer, I always just
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Speaker 1: think about, like that team, and we always see the
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Speaker 1: meme of like what the Warriors had as their starting
11:16
Speaker 1: five and who the Cavaliers had as they're starting five
11:18
Speaker 1: because Kevin Love got injured, Kyrie was out but still
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Speaker 1: took it to six games. I think it was Matthew
11:24
Speaker 1: Deladova was starting at point guard. I think were you
11:26
Speaker 1: starting at the three or the four? I think you
11:28
Speaker 1: were starting at the three. Tristan Thompson mos Golf. What
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Speaker 1: do you remember about that series that you know a
11:37
Speaker 1: lot of people had said Lebron probably should have still
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Speaker 1: won the finals MVP obviously Iggy ended appointing it, But
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Speaker 1: that was such a hard fought series, man, Like, what
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Speaker 1: was that like kind of coming from the Knicks from like,
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Speaker 1: you know, a team that probably fell short of a
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Speaker 1: lot of people's expectations and then just going straight to
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Speaker 1: the finals that first year? What was that? What was
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Speaker 1: that experience? Like, man, what do you mean, Like, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean instead of going I mean, like you
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Speaker 1: you get traded and then that first year you're in
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Speaker 1: the finals. Oh well, make no mistake. Field traded us
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Speaker 1: and wasn't supposed to trade us. Joe, we'd a big
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Speaker 1: cool over there New York, Joe, like we're still with
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Speaker 1: the war some ship. After while, we just wasn't together
12:21
Speaker 1: long enough. They broke us up. Phil, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what you was doing, feel but that was incorrect. But
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Speaker 1: we did, Phil Jackson kind of for a few years. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: shout out to you for that, bro. But uh, when
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Speaker 1: we got over there, like it took us. It took
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Speaker 1: us just a quick second to like be able to
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Speaker 1: really like go to war with each other and practice.
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Speaker 1: I feel like right when we first got over there
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Speaker 1: were still banged up. I was still coming off with
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Speaker 1: shoulder injury. I dislocated my shoulder, hadn't been playing. So
13:01
Speaker 1: when we got traded, Uh, just jy'all was playing, but
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Speaker 1: he was like nursing something as well, Like we were
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Speaker 1: just coming over. Everything was just sort of random. I
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Speaker 1: don't think he like did much his first game and
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Speaker 1: then once we got into them practices, we had some
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Speaker 1: special practices that team, Like I don't know, like before
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Speaker 1: we got when we first showed up, like before I
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Speaker 1: started practicing, I just remember coming in practice and being like, bro,
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Speaker 1: this is too smooth, Like y'all have no beef, Like
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Speaker 1: there's no hectic, there's nothing like, there's nothing to push
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Speaker 1: y'all at all. And that's what me Jr. And Mazi
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Speaker 1: that's what we was like, that's what we owned now
13:46
Speaker 1: because y'all got Kyrie kd lebron K Love and Bron
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Speaker 1: So it's like it ain't like it's gonna be many
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Speaker 1: basketballs being passed around, you know what I'm saying, too crazy,
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Speaker 1: So we just sort of brought like a toughness and
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Speaker 1: a swag and a fun you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: Like I feel like, damn near they were scared to
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Speaker 1: celebrate a three pointer, you know what I'm saying, Like
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Speaker 1: if you watch them, they were just like regular like yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: goot y'all. Yeah, it was just like great guys like yeah,
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Speaker 1: no good like good play like and then when we
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Speaker 1: got there, we was just like we don't do some swag.
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Speaker 1: We just so like, yeah, we coming from New York,
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Speaker 1: we just you know what I'm saying, Like we used
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Speaker 1: to giving that Showman like our crowd like that shit.
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Speaker 1: Like we like we we point at the crowd and
14:29
Speaker 1: start talking shit. New York loved that shit. I'm like,
14:31
Speaker 1: y'all just gonna have to get with it over here,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't know what y'all got going on, but
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Speaker 1: we're not doing this quietly like that's what we brought
14:38
Speaker 1: to the team. But it was like marching through that
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Speaker 1: and seeing Bron Like once we lost Kay and he
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Speaker 1: halfed his knee because quiet as kept Bro when that
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Speaker 1: misshot came off in Game one. If I throw that
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Speaker 1: mob back in, it's a different series because kle never
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Speaker 1: has his knee, you know what I'm saying, Man, Like
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Speaker 1: Kyrie plays that one in the overtime. No, he did
15:03
Speaker 1: play that series, you know what I'm saying. But if
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Speaker 1: he plays that full series, that's what I'm saying, he
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Speaker 1: plays the full series. I think you guys went. If
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Speaker 1: I hit that over and then basketball is different forever
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Speaker 1: because y'all wouldn't be running around head shooting all these threes.
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Speaker 1: My man wouldn't be over here shaking his head all
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Speaker 1: confidently with this Golden State s. Kat probably come over
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Speaker 1: there and play with us as opposed to them, because
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Speaker 1: we won. You know what I'm saying. What I did,
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Speaker 1: Katie would have been like they won over there, the
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Speaker 1: go over here and shake with them. Me and Bron
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Speaker 1: finda played together, and y'all finna be mad. But that
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Speaker 1: would have ruined basketball too, So I can either way ruined. No,
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Speaker 1: he didn't. It wasn't Katie. It was Broun first going
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Speaker 1: to Miami. Bron knows her basketball. Let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: do you think that was I always look at the
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Speaker 1: front I ruined basketball? He thought he was. He thought
15:50
Speaker 1: he was making it better. I get him. So you
15:52
Speaker 1: think Lebron ruined it for everything? He ruined the dis
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Speaker 1: me personally, I love the NBA for the little tea
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Speaker 1: that I thought was there. He basically knocked the fourth
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Speaker 1: wall down. Like man, the owners, they ship, they bullshit
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Speaker 1: and we're doing what we want. Great business move, for sure,
16:13
Speaker 1: But when you think about it outside looking in, like
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Speaker 1: I got people tweeting me right now, they like literally
16:19
Speaker 1: talking about owners and trays and it's like, bro, y'all
16:21
Speaker 1: not supposed to be talking about none of them. Actually,
16:23
Speaker 1: y'all really supposed to be going super crazy if you're
16:27
Speaker 1: a businessman and you're sitting outside looking at you like damn.
16:29
Speaker 1: The fans are supposed to be worried about the game.
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Speaker 1: They supposed to be talking shit like they used to be.
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Speaker 1: We used to just sit there and talk shit like
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Speaker 1: of course, I don't care. You're not finn I was
16:38
Speaker 1: a Bulls fan. You're not allowed to talk shit about
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Speaker 1: Jude Butler. Shout out to Jedd Butchler also a great
16:43
Speaker 1: volleyball player. Everyone knows that. Like, you're not allowed to
16:46
Speaker 1: talk about Jason Caffey, none of my guys or or
16:50
Speaker 1: what was the other guy's name of Randy Brown? Randy Brown,
16:53
Speaker 1: you know, you know Randy Brown. Shout out to him.
16:56
Speaker 1: We could go down to random book Bill Whitnington. But
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Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, I'm not playing about the Bulls. And
17:01
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like now because everybody's teaming up
17:05
Speaker 1: and shit, like you'll hear people like no hen Man,
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Speaker 1: but they suck. You know what I'm saying. He needs
17:09
Speaker 1: to go over here, he needs to get traded. I'll
17:11
Speaker 1: be listening to this shit, like, bro, I'm like, do
17:14
Speaker 1: y'all realize that the players that y'all just willing to
17:17
Speaker 1: just if they don't win this year, Like y'all, he
17:20
Speaker 1: get traded there and he can't win this year, and
17:23
Speaker 1: now y'all just done. I'm like, bro, these two, these
17:25
Speaker 1: two playing styles, is gonna take at least three years
17:28
Speaker 1: to figure each other out before y'all even got a shot.
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Speaker 1: Y'all big and y'all small gonna have to play together
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Speaker 1: for a little while. Become like an arms race though, right,
17:35
Speaker 1: it's like very much like you gotta happen fast. It
17:38
Speaker 1: has to happen immediately or else it's like everybody under
17:41
Speaker 1: the Yeah, everybody's tweaking, and it'll be like, Bro, they
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Speaker 1: lost three games, like Bro, chill out eighty two games.
17:48
Speaker 1: Somebody lose three, they start caring about what the man
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Speaker 1: wearing is he come in like it's just all type
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Speaker 1: of frantic And I feel like all the franticness happened
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Speaker 1: when bron went to Miami. That's when every thing became
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Speaker 1: so critical. I guess I agree with you in that
18:03
Speaker 1: aspect that things changed as far as people. Oh no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the development of the game. If
18:09
Speaker 1: you watch people how they score in the day. That
18:10
Speaker 1: I just mean, like the way the fans perceived the game. Yeah,
18:13
Speaker 1: they look at it like it don't mean much, because
18:15
Speaker 1: I always look at the first super team from that
18:19
Speaker 1: era being when Ray Allen and KG went to the
18:22
Speaker 1: Celtics and won that first year. But that's not that's
18:25
Speaker 1: not Lebron James. It's still not Lebron James or Dwayne
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Speaker 1: Wade for that matter, like y'all got to do because
18:31
Speaker 1: that was even like kind of end of KG peak,
18:34
Speaker 1: still peak KG, but kind of towards the end, you know, Peak,
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Speaker 1: d Wade, Peak, Lebron, Pete, Chris Bosh. I mean, I
18:42
Speaker 1: guess I get it, but no, you don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Nobody gets it. I hear Richard's I think that it changed.
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Speaker 1: I think when Lebron went to the Heat, it definitely
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Speaker 1: changed supposed to do that. The way fans looked at
18:53
Speaker 1: the way, they really start looking at it like it
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Speaker 1: just don't mean nothing, Like loyal c means nothing. So
18:59
Speaker 1: when you talked about the Knicks earlier and how Phil
19:02
Speaker 1: because everyone's ruined it. Phil was as great of a
19:06
Speaker 1: coach as he was, was probably one of the worst
19:08
Speaker 1: basketball people. But it's because basketball is in this hot
19:11
Speaker 1: seat mode. So if we're not winning and he on
19:14
Speaker 1: the hot seat, he thinking, oh I gotta shift it
19:16
Speaker 1: and I gotta do this, and it's like, goofy, No,
19:18
Speaker 1: you wasn't you. You ain't Like you got drafted in
19:21
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, which was a crazy draft. That was Kyrie Kawhi,
19:28
Speaker 1: a lot of players in the War, Jimmy Butler, Kimba Twins, Kimball, Yeah,
19:34
Speaker 1: the Mores. Yeah, Burks is a great player. Uh was
19:38
Speaker 1: in that draft? What else? That's a hell of a draft.
19:45
Speaker 1: Jimmer shout out to jimmer Man he should have. Yeah,
19:49
Speaker 1: but no, when you go to the Knicks, mellows there
19:54
Speaker 1: you got a great young nucleus yourself, j R. Smith,
19:58
Speaker 1: he just took too long. Took to long win Man.
20:01
Speaker 1: Amari had signed in what twenty ten, So by the
20:04
Speaker 1: time you got it, because a Mari that first year
20:05
Speaker 1: with the Knicks really had like an MVP type season.
20:09
Speaker 1: But then I think after that the injuries kind of
20:11
Speaker 1: caught up to him. But do you think that that's
20:14
Speaker 1: what happened with the Knicks? Like, had you guys stuck
20:16
Speaker 1: around and jailed a little bit longer, Like I felt
20:20
Speaker 1: like when we after we went to this to the
20:23
Speaker 1: second round and lost to Indy, which we shouldn't have
20:25
Speaker 1: lost it, I feel like I'll keep my commence with
20:31
Speaker 1: myself on that. But that's that's what. That's the Paul George, Roy,
20:34
Speaker 1: Herbert Land Stevenson team. Yeah, keep my comments myself, don't
20:38
Speaker 1: keep it. Get should have won, We should have won. Okay,
20:40
Speaker 1: how many games? How many games of that series? Got six?
20:43
Speaker 1: Should have won. And coming off of that, I'll never
20:49
Speaker 1: forget working out doing all this other stuff and were
20:52
Speaker 1: getting ready to report back. Novak gets traded, and I'm like,
21:00
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Once Novak got traded, it was just
21:04
Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Like why do y'all continue
21:07
Speaker 1: to it was like it just seemed like we're just
21:10
Speaker 1: doing stuff to our team to just just to do it. Yeah,
21:14
Speaker 1: because Novak was like id role player. But it was
21:18
Speaker 1: perfect for our ball club, right, like a perfect fit. Yeah.
21:21
Speaker 1: I could drive right whenever I want because nobody's gonna
21:23
Speaker 1: help off. No back, right, I'm gonna dunk this. Anybody
21:27
Speaker 1: got an issue with it, bring your man over here.
21:31
Speaker 1: No back that counts for three? Need a count by two,
21:33
Speaker 1: a count by three. If that's how I picks, but
21:36
Speaker 1: we all knew each other. We had a vibe of
21:38
Speaker 1: energy together and then it was like, yeah, no, bag's gone,
21:42
Speaker 1: meet Andre Bignani and it was like now we and
21:45
Speaker 1: we got Drea just in an uncomfortable position because he like,
21:50
Speaker 1: if he don't jail, now it's like what we trade
21:53
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I'm saying. So now it's
21:54
Speaker 1: like a weird energy on him, but it's really because
21:57
Speaker 1: we just miss our adults. Also to Bianni was like
22:00
Speaker 1: in a weird position too, because that was like if
22:02
Speaker 1: he did if it didn't work for him, there he's
22:04
Speaker 1: definitely a bust, like you know what I mean. And
22:06
Speaker 1: then he was you know what I'm saying, nervous with
22:08
Speaker 1: the injury stuff. Its just it was just a lot
22:10
Speaker 1: happening that It was just like, Bro, we had a
22:12
Speaker 1: nice thing going and I understand why I got tampered with,
22:16
Speaker 1: But who am I? Bro? How I'm trying to you?
22:20
Speaker 1: You were there during the insanity shit? Right? What was
22:24
Speaker 1: because I feel like that was like a really one
22:27
Speaker 1: of the more awesome random things that have happened like
22:30
Speaker 1: in basketball in a long time, where you like, think
22:32
Speaker 1: of this guy who just he went to Harvard, Right,
22:36
Speaker 1: he went to like like an ivy league school. I
22:38
Speaker 1: think he went to Harvard. He went to one of
22:39
Speaker 1: those Harbor or yeah, he went to Harvard Man and
22:43
Speaker 1: Tarbor or is it hot Shaman went to Harvard to No, no, no,
22:47
Speaker 1: Landry Fields. Oh Landry Fields. Huh? Which Dall State? She said,
22:55
Speaker 1: Landry Fields. No he didn't. I don't know. Yeah, but
23:06
Speaker 1: obviously Mellow's out when the insanity thing, you know, gets crazy,
23:11
Speaker 1: he comes back. Was there like a weird dynamic within
23:16
Speaker 1: the team when Mellow came back, like with the insanity
23:20
Speaker 1: shit just kind of starting to tail off? What you mean?
23:22
Speaker 1: Was it a weird way because obviously when that when
23:26
Speaker 1: that started, like Mellow was out with was out with
23:28
Speaker 1: an injury, right, yeah, he pulled his growing though it
23:30
Speaker 1: was like a week. It was a week, Okay, Okay,
23:32
Speaker 1: I just remember that, like like if you watch the
23:34
Speaker 1: sports shows. But that's what I'm saying about the sports show.
23:36
Speaker 1: It's like you got the media now doing all that.
23:40
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess that's what I'm asking. Was there
23:42
Speaker 1: a weird energy when Mellow came back? Or was it
23:44
Speaker 1: Mellow as happy as hell and he was super happy
23:46
Speaker 1: that he like, Bro, I can finally rest y'all win it.
23:49
Speaker 1: Mellow wasn't even healthy when he first came because it
23:52
Speaker 1: was a lockout year. So it's like when Mellow got hurt,
23:55
Speaker 1: it was like he putting this on his back stat
23:58
Speaker 1: in and out the lineup. Mello really got us on
24:01
Speaker 1: his back playing forty minutes in November, you know what
24:06
Speaker 1: I'm saying to where it's like I didn't understand it
24:08
Speaker 1: back then. But it's like, Bro, the Vets ain't supposed
24:10
Speaker 1: to be that heavy on they knees right now. We're
24:13
Speaker 1: supposed to wait till we get to the meat and
24:15
Speaker 1: potatoes of the season. But you think that's that's what
24:16
Speaker 1: everyone would always get on the bron about that, Like
24:19
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season he might take some
24:20
Speaker 1: possessions off or he might you know what I mean. Like,
24:22
Speaker 1: but it's like, yo, it's the end of the season
24:24
Speaker 1: is what matters, right, especially if you're a Shmello was
24:27
Speaker 1: dealing with that type stuff and then he set out
24:34
Speaker 1: and he was happy because he actually got some rests.
24:36
Speaker 1: He actually had some real like when he came back.
24:39
Speaker 1: The issue is never with uh jay Len. He was
24:44
Speaker 1: bumping hands with Dan Tony. The style that Jaylen needed
24:51
Speaker 1: was basically putting Mellow in a messed up spot because
24:55
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm kind of you're putting us in something
24:58
Speaker 1: that I'm sort of like ruining his possessions at time
25:02
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, We're playing two totally
25:05
Speaker 1: different games, but you're trying to put us on the
25:06
Speaker 1: court at the same time. Like's not it's not working out.
25:09
Speaker 1: Like Mello's thing was when that man come in when
25:12
Speaker 1: we need him to for a stretch to do X,
25:14
Speaker 1: Y and Z, let's run that offense this way right
25:17
Speaker 1: and then give me a break right here, and then
25:19
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And it was like they
25:21
Speaker 1: just weren't. I don't know if Mello seemed to controller
25:24
Speaker 1: because Mellow usually don't say much to a coach, you
25:26
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But Yeahda and Tony from what
25:28
Speaker 1: I understand, like you know again, I'm a Suns fan,
25:30
Speaker 1: so seven seconds or less era, you know exactly, which
25:34
Speaker 1: is why it was like Mello understood, like this is
25:37
Speaker 1: what you like, like Jaylen come in quick decisions happen
25:40
Speaker 1: in wooh wooh. But he's like, gee, I'm just not
25:43
Speaker 1: You're not that nugget. Yeah, I'm not Carmelo from the
25:46
Speaker 1: Nuggets that's trying to one foot on the breakaway all
25:50
Speaker 1: day long. Like he's like just a lockout year. You
25:53
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Let me pick my spots, getting
25:55
Speaker 1: my rhythm so that when we do into the playoffs,
25:58
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. Like he like I gotta be
26:00
Speaker 1: in my bag and he like we're not playing at
26:02
Speaker 1: this tempo during the playoffs. You know what I'm saying,
26:05
Speaker 1: Like that's how you felt. That makes like when they
26:08
Speaker 1: when they start bumping heads, it was like, yeah, media
26:11
Speaker 1: is going crazy. Everybody's tweaking all we need to make
26:14
Speaker 1: all these changes and shit, and it's like in all actuality, Bro,
26:17
Speaker 1: were playing a game like every other day. Me and
26:19
Speaker 1: jay Len don't know shit. We just winging it. You
26:22
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm like, Bro, I had a
26:24
Speaker 1: good rookie season strictly based off me loving basketball and
26:28
Speaker 1: just being like fuck the other side. You know what
26:30
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's the only reason because you finished
26:32
Speaker 1: like I think top five and Rookie of the Year voting, right,
26:35
Speaker 1: I just tore my knee up. If I would have
26:37
Speaker 1: tore my knee up and had I wouldn't have toren
26:39
Speaker 1: my knee up and had a good playoff stint, Like, yeah,
26:42
Speaker 1: I would have felt way better going in my second year.
26:44
Speaker 1: But it was like literally every year in the summer,
26:47
Speaker 1: I had to get some sort of surgery. We always
26:49
Speaker 1: think I took. I think I took. I had two
26:51
Speaker 1: years in the league where I didn't get a surgery
26:53
Speaker 1: and something. Yeah, you had a lot of I feel
26:55
Speaker 1: like injuries were always kind of like a thing that
26:58
Speaker 1: plagued you throughout your you know your you know, they
27:00
Speaker 1: ain't play me. That's just that's just basketball, right, Well,
27:03
Speaker 1: it ain't basketball because they don't do it. That's like
27:05
Speaker 1: how I got paid, because it's like for some reason
27:09
Speaker 1: they act like they can't run through a screen and
27:11
Speaker 1: deal with whatever come with it. And it was like
27:14
Speaker 1: I never really cared. I'm like, charge it to the game, bro,
27:17
Speaker 1: that's war, you know what I'm saying. Like that's how
27:19
Speaker 1: I be feeling about it, Like yeah, I'm limping the
27:22
Speaker 1: next day and shit, but it's just like charge it, bro,
27:25
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'll just be looking around
27:28
Speaker 1: the league and seeing like when guys die on screens
27:31
Speaker 1: or they chasing the guy down. It's like, Bro, you
27:34
Speaker 1: know you're supposed to dive on that, but they just
27:36
Speaker 1: don't want to do it, just in case they was
27:38
Speaker 1: to get hurt, because they can in the game they could.
27:41
Speaker 1: I done seen minds that in the game they could remember,
27:43
Speaker 1: like I don't do that, you can get hurt. Got
27:46
Speaker 1: to finish with fifteen points, and I'm like, Bro, I
27:48
Speaker 1: can't remember that in the game. I have no clue
27:51
Speaker 1: how many points I have. No, I don't care. Like
27:54
Speaker 1: the ball laying there, I'm not trying to I'm diving
27:57
Speaker 1: on it, and I'd love for us to run into
27:58
Speaker 1: each other. So you're seeing that's like a conscious thing
28:01
Speaker 1: that players will. It's a lot of recognize, Hey, look,
28:04
Speaker 1: we don't go after these kind of balls because it
28:05
Speaker 1: can suck up the bag. I've had guys tell me, emon,
28:08
Speaker 1: stop doing that. Why are you going? Why are you
28:12
Speaker 1: doing that? Like what are you doing? I'm like, Bro,
28:14
Speaker 1: it's a loose ball. They like, damn, you have no
28:18
Speaker 1: chance at that rock. I'm like, Bro. In the middle
28:20
Speaker 1: of the game though, like you know, like in the championship,
28:24
Speaker 1: you're gonna go for it too, you know what. I'm
28:26
Speaker 1: saying it's like, gee, I think I could get to that,
28:28
Speaker 1: Like that's how I be feeling. I think I could
28:29
Speaker 1: get to it. Like so I'm gonna try. You know
28:31
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm a fuck it And I think
28:35
Speaker 1: a lot of times like yeah, I would get hurt
28:37
Speaker 1: and they'll literally be like, Bro, just shit your ass down,
28:39
Speaker 1: like you ain't even have to do that, like you
28:41
Speaker 1: ran through that screen. Now you sitting out for two games,
28:44
Speaker 1: Like why do you keep doing that? And I'm just
28:46
Speaker 1: like gee, Like sometimes I be feeling like this is
28:48
Speaker 1: the three that's gonna decide the game. Like I don't
28:50
Speaker 1: know why I'm like that, but I just am like, Bro,
28:53
Speaker 1: he can't have it. I don't want him to have it,
28:56
Speaker 1: or it'd be some ship. Whereas like like when I
28:58
Speaker 1: messed my wrist up literally just getting ready for the
29:01
Speaker 1: season and I'm dunking too hard, but it's like, Bro,
29:03
Speaker 1: I want it bad, like I want it real bad.
29:07
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't have that presence of mind to
29:09
Speaker 1: be like, all lay this up because you could mess
29:12
Speaker 1: your wrists up on the rim. It's like, Bro, doundunked
29:14
Speaker 1: this a million times as hard as I could and
29:16
Speaker 1: never messed up my wrist today, I messed up my wrists.
29:19
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy, man, Little stuff like that. But that's
29:22
Speaker 1: you got to charge it to the game. Man. Life
29:24
Speaker 1: ain't so. But I feel like you had a great
29:26
Speaker 1: career though. I mean, obviously, I feel like when we
29:28
Speaker 1: look back at, you know, at least my favorite memories
29:32
Speaker 1: in basketball the last decade, you're a part of those.
29:34
Speaker 1: You know, I'm part of a lot of history now, yeah, man,
29:38
Speaker 1: a lot of history. Whether they let me back in
29:40
Speaker 1: or not, I'm part of what was there? Was there
29:42
Speaker 1: like any sort of serious like, I mean, obviously it's basketball,
29:46
Speaker 1: so I'm using the word hatred sports hatred, But was
29:48
Speaker 1: it like what was like the disdain you guys had
29:51
Speaker 1: for the Warriors during those years? Yeah, we ain't fuck
29:54
Speaker 1: with them. I ain't like them. I'm a huge fan
30:00
Speaker 1: and of all of them. Now though it's crazy, even
30:06
Speaker 1: even like down to Draymond, Like we had this thing.
30:08
Speaker 1: It's like you hate to play against Draymond, but like
30:11
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to like dude speak with his chest,
30:16
Speaker 1: say what he feel, passionate about the game, he come
30:20
Speaker 1: on the court, not to like you, like he's the
30:23
Speaker 1: kind of guy who you hate, but you would love
30:25
Speaker 1: if he was. If he was that team, we're gonna
30:28
Speaker 1: be the best of friends. But it's like he want
30:30
Speaker 1: to go to war. He don't want to play. Like
30:32
Speaker 1: he's one of the guys that's like helping basketball. He's
30:37
Speaker 1: doing what I like. Like he one of those guys.
30:39
Speaker 1: He's a blend guy, a glue guy. Like you need
30:42
Speaker 1: him around, you know what I'm saying, You need his
30:44
Speaker 1: voice around his whatever. Like Clay another guy keep his
30:49
Speaker 1: head down, he gonna shoot it. I loved playing against
30:53
Speaker 1: Clay because Clay is one of the only people like
30:56
Speaker 1: I done got in my battles with Kyle kor JJ Reddick,
31:00
Speaker 1: all of them push off, get mad. I'm all over
31:02
Speaker 1: roughing them up, talking shit to him. You know what
31:05
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Klay Thompson does not complain the refs like
31:11
Speaker 1: he's not gonna do the oh ref look at him.
31:13
Speaker 1: He God, man, you gravitate Klay Thompson. You holding him?
31:17
Speaker 1: That man goes chop your wrists down so fast. And
31:21
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I love this young light skiing brother. Man.
31:25
Speaker 1: This dude don't care. Man, he willing to fight me.
31:28
Speaker 1: Like That's how I felt about Clay. I'm like, Clay
31:30
Speaker 1: is willing to fight me, bro, just to get off
31:33
Speaker 1: this screen. He doesn't care. He looked dead at the
31:35
Speaker 1: ref and pushed me off, like hands to my neck push,
31:39
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fall back like this they call the offensive
31:42
Speaker 1: foul and Clay just ran down the court like he
31:45
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck, like and I was like, I
31:47
Speaker 1: love these dudes. I just hate him for now. I
31:49
Speaker 1: hate them. Yeah, it felt like cause you got to
31:52
Speaker 1: keep seeing them, and it felt like a serious like,
31:54
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the more I feel like the
31:56
Speaker 1: probably the most serious basketball beef, beef that we've seen
32:00
Speaker 1: since the nineties. It was two different styles, and we
32:05
Speaker 1: kind of knew. We all knew, like, whoever wins the
32:09
Speaker 1: most of this this little war we got going on,
32:13
Speaker 1: whoever wins the most chips? Basketball is headed in that style.
32:17
Speaker 1: That's what was scary about. Like we knew it meant
32:20
Speaker 1: more because we like, bro, like the kids are gonna
32:25
Speaker 1: either continue to go to the post and want to
32:28
Speaker 1: shoot fadeaways or they gonna think this shit, Okay just
32:32
Speaker 1: shooting this ship from half court. Ship like we was talking, No,
32:36
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this ship, Like I remember me
32:38
Speaker 1: and Switch like, man, you want to shoot that ship
32:40
Speaker 1: from forty, Let him shoot that ship from forty. Fuck him?
32:42
Speaker 1: Like that's the conversation me. And so I'm gonna come, hey, switchman,
32:46
Speaker 1: fucking you wanna shoot that ship from forty. Let him
32:48
Speaker 1: shoot that ship from forty. Dogs shoot that all night, nigga,
32:51
Speaker 1: Like that's what we That's how I'm feeling when I'm
32:53
Speaker 1: really on the court, like a let him, bro, I
32:56
Speaker 1: wish you would pull pull pull that, bro, please for
32:59
Speaker 1: we go. It is down y'all throat, like, please shoot that.
33:02
Speaker 1: That's how we felt about it till this little motherfucker
33:05
Speaker 1: started making it. Yeah, but it's like once he started
33:08
Speaker 1: making it now t Lou looking at us at the
33:09
Speaker 1: drawing board like, hey, y'all gonna get out there, show
33:12
Speaker 1: what we gonna do. You shocked you shocked him making
33:16
Speaker 1: it now like it got to that point, It's like, Bro,
33:19
Speaker 1: when I think about it now, I'm just like, Bro,
33:24
Speaker 1: I don't I keep saying basketball changed, like they ruined
33:29
Speaker 1: it type of thing, But I'm like, you ruined the
33:31
Speaker 1: version that I like. I just feel like it's just
33:35
Speaker 1: it's just a version. I like when you really when
33:37
Speaker 1: you really think about it, pound for pound, how basketball
33:40
Speaker 1: it is today. It's scary how good they are. This
33:43
Speaker 1: is true. I feel like there's more good players now
33:45
Speaker 1: than ever as far as like skilled, skilled or just
33:48
Speaker 1: like skilled. Basically literally weeded out the other stuff, like
33:53
Speaker 1: the blended stuff. If you think about some of the
33:55
Speaker 1: guys that used to make All Star teams, there was
33:57
Speaker 1: guys that used to make All Star teams in the
33:59
Speaker 1: nineties that you like, you would like look back at
34:01
Speaker 1: some of the All Star rosters in like the early nineties,
34:03
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, yo, he made an All Star team.
34:06
Speaker 1: Like now it's like the people who are wait, what
34:09
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I mean like sometimes you like
34:11
Speaker 1: like like like I'm not talking about I'm some about
34:13
Speaker 1: like early nineties, like I think I saw Terry Cummings
34:16
Speaker 1: is on an All Star team. There's there's just players
34:20
Speaker 1: that you think, like, now you can make an All
34:24
Speaker 1: Star team out of like the top fifteen guys that
34:26
Speaker 1: didn't make the All Star team. And I feel like
34:30
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying, copy copy copy, Like now
34:34
Speaker 1: it's like the the the guys who aren't making All
34:38
Speaker 1: Star teams would have been like you can put a team, Yeah,
34:41
Speaker 1: it's like insane. Like basketball has changed from like it's
34:49
Speaker 1: not so much that chessboard anymore. It's checkers. It's not
34:54
Speaker 1: Great Popovich anymore. It's not chess, it's checkers. It's checkers.
34:59
Speaker 1: It's king me. This is the most arms race. It's
35:02
Speaker 1: kingsme like, but it's it's the reason why I say
35:06
Speaker 1: that is because there's literally no thought involved. Like Damian
35:10
Speaker 1: Lillard is gonna come down here full speed and jump
35:13
Speaker 1: and just shoot. Yeah, he's gonna shoot a forty foot
35:16
Speaker 1: If you step up, that means he's going to the
35:18
Speaker 1: basket all the way to the basket. But this is
35:20
Speaker 1: not a foot race. Immediately if he can't get it,
35:23
Speaker 1: it's to CJ. And it's the same thing, immediate action.
35:27
Speaker 1: Like I think that the if you go look at
35:31
Speaker 1: older games. You go watch the game in the eighties,
35:35
Speaker 1: they sprint the ball up the sideline, they throw the
35:38
Speaker 1: ball to the corner of the flatt and the defense,
35:41
Speaker 1: they throw it back up and then they throw it
35:43
Speaker 1: into the post. You go to the nineties, they took
35:46
Speaker 1: that same formula, except they threw a shooter into the
35:50
Speaker 1: corner and then tossed it straight down to the post
35:53
Speaker 1: and the post. Didn't have to be a big man.
35:55
Speaker 1: But it's all to fuck up the rotations of the defense.
35:58
Speaker 1: Now the fuck up is they bringing a ball screen.
36:03
Speaker 1: They're not even going to the corner of the flat
36:05
Speaker 1: and the defense or throw it in. They're keeping you
36:07
Speaker 1: way out. So it's like when the game changing dynamic
36:11
Speaker 1: like that, when you're watching this shit, I don't know
36:14
Speaker 1: how other people process it, but like I didn't have
36:17
Speaker 1: to sit there and like watch you know, I played.
36:19
Speaker 1: I gotta play to whoever the best player is. So
36:21
Speaker 1: I get a lot of this watching how they coming
36:25
Speaker 1: down and being like, bro, their point of attack. Yeah,
36:28
Speaker 1: you were kind of the guy who defended the best
36:30
Speaker 1: player on the other kind to deal with that, right,
36:32
Speaker 1: that was what you So I'm looking at every scheme
36:35
Speaker 1: like I'm like, bro, like I've literally made it to
36:39
Speaker 1: Like you got to think my first year in the league,
36:41
Speaker 1: I had to guard all those in game possessions, so
36:44
Speaker 1: I'm used to at the end of the game, I'm
36:46
Speaker 1: about to have to go to the posts and deal
36:48
Speaker 1: with so much contact and drops and back doors and
36:52
Speaker 1: shit that I got to deal with in this mold.
36:54
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36:57
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37:00
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37:02
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37:05
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37:07
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37:09
Speaker 1: were great on I mean, you know you can do
37:10
Speaker 1: it if you want to. Nobody at the end of
37:13
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37:14
Speaker 1: up a lot of slack, is what I'm saying. I
37:16
Speaker 1: mean I had to pick up slack. It just it's
37:18
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37:20
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37:23
Speaker 1: oh man Melo doesn't know how to guard people? Is nah,
37:27
Speaker 1: fan Emon, you guard him? I'm finished score forty. Yeah,
37:31
Speaker 1: that's this grown man ship. This is JR. Literally all
37:34
Speaker 1: come out there and be like tape, I don't look
37:38
Speaker 1: handle that. I'm not chasing him. I don't care what
37:41
Speaker 1: the I don't care what the the plays is, you
37:45
Speaker 1: know the assignments, and I don't care. You tired, look
37:49
Speaker 1: guard him. I'm tired. I don't feel like guarding. That's
37:51
Speaker 1: what JR say and the like all right, cool, that
37:54
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37:59
Speaker 1: on the screen and I had to guard the four man.
38:01
Speaker 1: That's when they first realized I started doing the strip.
38:04
Speaker 1: He was down a lot of screens. But that's when
38:06
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38:10
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38:12
Speaker 1: right now, That's why I come in. That's what I'm saying.
38:14
Speaker 1: I come That's why they like flaying with me though,
38:17
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38:19
Speaker 1: It was just the most frustrating shit ever as a fan.
38:21
Speaker 1: What all time with the Sons? Yeah, I'm like, bro,
38:24
Speaker 1: you should have had twelve twelve games, you gotta miss
38:26
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38:29
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38:33
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38:37
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38:39
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38:43
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38:47
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39:59
Speaker 1: moment in those series, did you guys look at him
40:04
Speaker 1: as like a like like, Yo, this is a target
40:07
Speaker 1: we gotta get Kyrie switched on to Steph? Like was
40:09
Speaker 1: Kyrie like always, Like wasn't a secret because I remember
40:13
Speaker 1: when Kyrie got like that last shot that in twenty sixteen,
40:16
Speaker 1: Like when Kyrie had step switched on to him, he
40:20
Speaker 1: had that look in his eyes like this is oh
40:22
Speaker 1: we was talking shit. Uh those was one of that
40:28
Speaker 1: time that we had for that was Uh, I can't
40:34
Speaker 1: remember what game it was. Kyle came off a screen
40:40
Speaker 1: and Steph didn't even try and Kyle, I believe he
40:47
Speaker 1: came he rescreened it because it was like a dummy
40:49
Speaker 1: screen and he re screened it, which Steph's supposed to
40:53
Speaker 1: immediately fight to switch back. And I'll never forget Steph
40:59
Speaker 1: going with the roller like he like made it his
41:03
Speaker 1: business that he was not guarding ky and we all
41:08
Speaker 1: kind of like looked around like you know what I'm saying,
41:11
Speaker 1: like what is what scheme is that? What are they doing?
41:13
Speaker 1: So broun Bron never lets you off the hook. If
41:16
Speaker 1: he sees something, he's gonna exploit it. I want to say.
41:21
Speaker 1: We did the same play the next time. They switched again,
41:24
Speaker 1: and then bron called the next time out and basically
41:29
Speaker 1: told t Lou all bets off. He has to guard him,
41:32
Speaker 1: he don't want to guard him. Well, by the end
41:34
Speaker 1: of that game, you could watch stuff on the screen
41:37
Speaker 1: like like like it was I have never seen that.
41:43
Speaker 1: I have never seen. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't draw
41:46
Speaker 1: the line until like game six. Game six, he drew
41:50
Speaker 1: the line. He was like, y'all not finna. Yeah, he
41:53
Speaker 1: started like slapping the floor type ship like nah, fuck
41:55
Speaker 1: that come on, Like now, y'all just disrespected me, like
41:58
Speaker 1: y'all not finna pick on me like a little kid.
42:00
Speaker 1: But for a second though, it was like because I
42:02
Speaker 1: had never seen somebody do that unless it's like you
42:04
Speaker 1: got five foules and you can't touch somebody, Like that's
42:07
Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah, that's one thing. You're protecting yourself. So
42:10
Speaker 1: they had like two fouls and he's just like the
42:12
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and he like, yo, somebody come get you
42:14
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you could tell he just
42:17
Speaker 1: was like, man, bro, I don't know what to do
42:19
Speaker 1: with him and we need to stop right now. So
42:21
Speaker 1: he just wanted somebody else on him. But then when
42:23
Speaker 1: we start picking on him, like you, he starts seeing
42:25
Speaker 1: like every thing is for like either your guarding Kyrie
42:30
Speaker 1: or you're guarding Lebron this play, but you're gonna play defense.
42:33
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not gonna have no legs for the
42:35
Speaker 1: rest of this series. That's what we was on. And
42:37
Speaker 1: then with Clay, it was just like I was just
42:39
Speaker 1: trying to beat him up as best I could. Yeah, Clay,
42:41
Speaker 1: get you gotta do what you can do, right man.
42:43
Speaker 1: It was like we just gonna keep on pressing at
42:47
Speaker 1: Clay and keep on doing as much sprinting sidelines as
42:50
Speaker 1: we can to keep him dealing with back doors and
42:53
Speaker 1: happen to stay disciplined. And then with Steph Curry, You're
42:58
Speaker 1: now gonna guard Lebron like you're gonna use your turbo
43:01
Speaker 1: every possession on defense. What do you think is the
43:06
Speaker 1: biggest misconception about Lebron James For someone who's been in
43:09
Speaker 1: the trenches with him, he's my favorite player ever, so,
43:12
Speaker 1: like you know, I kind of feel like he gets
43:15
Speaker 1: a lot of He lost in the finals. That's that's
43:21
Speaker 1: why people have that stigma of him. He is undeniably
43:26
Speaker 1: like when you on paper, this is the best athlete.
43:30
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen a better one that can
43:33
Speaker 1: speak in public. Uh, be great with his family, give
43:38
Speaker 1: us a great you know what I'm saying. Like performance
43:42
Speaker 1: every night in a bullshit. He's not gonna get drunk
43:45
Speaker 1: to night before and have a terrible game or something.
43:48
Speaker 1: He's not gonna give us a some like dirty plays.
43:55
Speaker 1: Like the worst thing we had against Lebron was like, Bro,
43:57
Speaker 1: why are you flopping? And literally he started flopping because
44:00
Speaker 1: he's like, Bro, I gotta get these free throws. If
44:02
Speaker 1: these people getting free throws. Like he's like, bro, I'm
44:04
Speaker 1: really getting hit. So he like, I'll sell it for
44:07
Speaker 1: you since they can't see it. Because I'm so strong,
44:09
Speaker 1: y'all can't see me getting foul, So I gotta go
44:11
Speaker 1: like this to show y'all he just raked my arm.
44:14
Speaker 1: But it's like, besides that, bro Bron has gone out
44:18
Speaker 1: here every night and played hard. Of course he gonna
44:21
Speaker 1: have his times. He take off a day or two whatever,
44:23
Speaker 1: I get it. You get tired. But I don't know
44:28
Speaker 1: who's been more faithful to their just being disciplined into
44:32
Speaker 1: the game, like Ron knows every scheme, knows every coach,
44:39
Speaker 1: knows every player, he knows players in college. You know
44:41
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, when we're talking about shit like this,
44:45
Speaker 1: He's put together an amazing body of work. I'd say
44:48
Speaker 1: the misconception with him is that them losses came from
44:53
Speaker 1: a lack of what he's capable of, and it's not.
44:57
Speaker 1: It's I think his losses is just his style. That's
45:02
Speaker 1: just how it goes because Bron plays it the right way.
45:05
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, when Mike says, I
45:07
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what happens, I'm shooting this shot,
45:11
Speaker 1: Bron says, I'm gonna get to this spot and shoot.
45:15
Speaker 1: But if I get here and any one of them
45:17
Speaker 1: is flinching off of their man, I'm beaming it to
45:19
Speaker 1: that man and he'll be And to be fair, I mean, look, Mike,
45:23
Speaker 1: also John Paxton and Steve Kerr, and you know, there's
45:26
Speaker 1: there was times where he did the same thing. So
45:29
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna say, did you know what
45:32
Speaker 1: I'm saying that there was no. No, there was times
45:34
Speaker 1: where he also, you know, at the end of very
45:37
Speaker 1: important games, found the open man talking about Steve Kurr,
45:40
Speaker 1: John Paxson, you know, those those But I think I
45:44
Speaker 1: also I think of the luck of the draw to
45:47
Speaker 1: like if you just think of like what Lebron had
45:51
Speaker 1: to go through all those years, because I always hear
45:53
Speaker 1: people say, well, the East was like a cakewalk, right like,
45:57
Speaker 1: and I disagree as far as you know, your guys's
46:01
Speaker 1: passed to the finals those years, it was just we
46:03
Speaker 1: was just a We was a juggernaut team. So it's like, yeah,
46:07
Speaker 1: it looked like the East was like that because we
46:11
Speaker 1: was running through it. The East wasn't easier. But I
46:13
Speaker 1: just think like just the Warriors before the Warriors became
46:21
Speaker 1: the LIT team, It's not even I think like the
46:26
Speaker 1: Warriors had to go get Kevin Durant to fuck with
46:31
Speaker 1: y'all for sure, period because well no, they didn't have to.
46:34
Speaker 1: They didn't have to because they needed it to like
46:36
Speaker 1: to feel superior. Yes, And to me, that is like, yo,
46:40
Speaker 1: like you you know, I think the twenty sixteen Ring
46:43
Speaker 1: is probably the hardest ring I've ever seen one. It's
46:46
Speaker 1: probably the most meaningful championship at least in my lifetime. Yeah, yeah,
46:50
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. I mean, you guys beat the seventy
46:53
Speaker 1: three and nine Warriors don't and no one ever even
46:56
Speaker 1: gives like that regular season it means shit because they
46:59
Speaker 1: didn't win the ring. This is true, and I almost
47:03
Speaker 1: feel like the two rings after that, like what did
47:07
Speaker 1: you want? Like, I mean that was four All Stars
47:09
Speaker 1: starting on the other side of that. I mean, but
47:11
Speaker 1: you I remember at one point people were saying Steph
47:16
Speaker 1: was gonna be out the league, like he had bad ankles.
47:22
Speaker 1: I remember early on, Yeah, they was talking about this
47:26
Speaker 1: man when he was winning all this shit. He was MVP.
47:28
Speaker 1: That man was on a forty million dollar contract. Bro,
47:31
Speaker 1: it's crazy they was done with him and this is
47:35
Speaker 1: the ship that be, Like this is why I got
47:38
Speaker 1: over them all playing together because I'm like, bro, no bullshit.
47:42
Speaker 1: I remember when they used to talk shit about Steph
47:44
Speaker 1: Curry and Glay Thompson. Well, those guys, the core group
47:47
Speaker 1: they all drafted, which is the one thing I can
47:48
Speaker 1: never take away from the words I'm saying. It's hard
47:51
Speaker 1: to say they got four All Stars. They just it's
47:54
Speaker 1: just the KD shit. Man. They was just whooping ass
47:57
Speaker 1: like and became all start like Draymond Green was one
47:59
Speaker 1: of them guys that people quote unquote say isn't an
48:02
Speaker 1: All Star, but it's like, bro, he mean that much
48:04
Speaker 1: to them. Like we knew in game five when that
48:07
Speaker 1: man didn't play, we saw how different they was. I'm like, bro,
48:11
Speaker 1: no it wasn't game five, game six. If he plays
48:14
Speaker 1: game six, do you guys think you still win the ring?
48:17
Speaker 1: It'd be tough. They're a different ball club. When they
48:20
Speaker 1: were there, was like it was like no bulls. It
48:25
Speaker 1: was like coming up to the park and beating up
48:27
Speaker 1: on some kids and they big brother just ain't there
48:30
Speaker 1: right now. That's what it felt like. It felt like
48:32
Speaker 1: we just came up to the park and bust y'all last,
48:35
Speaker 1: and y'all big homie wasn't here, and we beat y'all last,
48:38
Speaker 1: Like we just beat y'all lass. Y'all ain't doing shit
48:41
Speaker 1: about it, y'all. Now y'all calling dude, he got to
48:44
Speaker 1: come back up to the park this next game. We
48:47
Speaker 1: just hated the war bro that I haven't and then
48:52
Speaker 1: we were game six, Like you saw the like concern
48:54
Speaker 1: in their face. They was like, man, we do not
48:56
Speaker 1: want to go back to go to state dealing with
48:58
Speaker 1: these people, because now they were just looking like they
49:00
Speaker 1: was just defeated and now they look like blood thirsty
49:03
Speaker 1: for a win, like they kind of felt the energy.
49:06
Speaker 1: But the cool thing about that whole ship, like I
49:12
Speaker 1: don't think we would have known that, Like Draymond, what
49:16
Speaker 1: do you do? Hit bron and the ball? Yeah, he
49:17
Speaker 1: kept flinging his leg like it's crazy. Everything happen for
49:21
Speaker 1: a reason because it's like Bro, we would have never
49:23
Speaker 1: picked out how important Draymond was. Well. Also, if we
49:27
Speaker 1: that if we do the what if game, Kyrie is
49:30
Speaker 1: healthy in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you guys probably have
49:33
Speaker 1: that ring as well if we're playing the what if game?
49:35
Speaker 1: And then KD would have came to the cast. Oh,
49:39
Speaker 1: shout out to Kevin Durant. I met him with I
49:43
Speaker 1: got listen. I got a shout out to Katie because
49:47
Speaker 1: I have been a KD at a certain point in time.
49:53
Speaker 1: Was I really liked the Thunder when they were young,
49:55
Speaker 1: and then I was as a fan his fan hate.
50:00
Speaker 1: I definitely had a lot of fan hate for him
50:02
Speaker 1: when he went to the Warriors and me and Freddy
50:05
Speaker 1: Gibbs went over to his crib last year and he
50:09
Speaker 1: was the nicest dude ever. And I had a Rex
50:12
Speaker 1: Chapman throwback Sun's jersey and we talked about my d
50:14
Speaker 1: He was just the nicest dude. So I had to
50:16
Speaker 1: call my homies and be like, Yo, Mank's not sensitive?
50:21
Speaker 1: Are we sure he's got the burner? He might be
50:24
Speaker 1: sensitive to the general public and ship? Right, you know
50:28
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I ain't got nothing to do with that.
50:30
Speaker 1: I'm not general Pop. You feel I'm not Jim Pop.
50:34
Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing to do with that. Like, if
50:36
Speaker 1: you want to be awkward over Twitter and you got
50:39
Speaker 1: fence to, you know, I just found out what fence
50:41
Speaker 1: to is, Joe. I thought it was a different app.
50:43
Speaker 1: Is you having a fake Instagram? It's what Katie had.
50:47
Speaker 1: It's a burner account, but it's on Instagram. I know that.
50:51
Speaker 1: But it's like a whole world of people that got
50:53
Speaker 1: this ship. I bet I'm thinking that it's a whole
50:56
Speaker 1: what's the thing. Yeah, this is like a real society
50:58
Speaker 1: people have instance like it's a real secret society that whatever.
51:04
Speaker 1: But it's like if you if you do that whatever.
51:06
Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm when I'm around Kto, like well,
51:10
Speaker 1: like I said, I met him, I kicked it with
51:12
Speaker 1: him as crabby as super nice dude. But but he's
51:14
Speaker 1: an open dude, Like you can say true, well, we
51:17
Speaker 1: can have a basketball conversation and we'd be like, hey man,
51:20
Speaker 1: fuck you. And he's also like yeah, me and him
51:22
Speaker 1: had like great, Like I feel like I had conversation
51:24
Speaker 1: with him, like and he was super open and talking
51:27
Speaker 1: about hoops, put his guard down to the person. It's
51:29
Speaker 1: when you when you cast him into what he got
51:32
Speaker 1: to be and all the other that's when all of
51:33
Speaker 1: us get uncomfortable. Well, I just think of the Thunder
51:36
Speaker 1: being up three to one and against the Warriors and
51:38
Speaker 1: the Western I was going to join him after he lost. Why,
51:41
Speaker 1: I don't get it hurt my soul? Now, you guys
51:44
Speaker 1: are I feel like a gang? The Cavaliers were like
51:48
Speaker 1: you guys, for the most part, the crew was together
51:51
Speaker 1: through that whole time, right, obviously certain pieces coming and going.
51:54
Speaker 1: But when you guys got the news that Katie was
51:56
Speaker 1: joining the Warriors, what was that group chat like this
52:03
Speaker 1: snake That's how it was. Bro. It was just like,
52:06
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna have to see them in
52:07
Speaker 1: the finals. I'm like, for what, that's what That's how
52:10
Speaker 1: we all looking like? Huh. They were like, well, we're
52:13
Speaker 1: Russ got to save That's what we are. Why Rus's
52:17
Speaker 1: been to save out that shit. That ship is crazy.
52:21
Speaker 1: But you know it was a wild that lasted all
52:24
Speaker 1: up until like half the season. Once we had already
52:27
Speaker 1: saw them one time, it was like all right, bro,
52:30
Speaker 1: you you made your decision, like you got to stay
52:32
Speaker 1: over there, a let's beat them. Like now it's like
52:35
Speaker 1: bumped at, I'm glady over there. Let's deal with this.
52:38
Speaker 1: Like what year did you get traded from the Cabs?
52:40
Speaker 1: Was it twenty eighteen? Twenty nineteen? Oh no, bro, did
52:43
Speaker 1: you got it from the Cabs? You went to the Kings.
52:46
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna have to google that is eighteen been eighteen?
52:49
Speaker 1: What trade was that? A part of I don't even know, bro.
52:53
Speaker 1: They were just trying to get me out of their kid.
52:55
Speaker 1: At that point you had to give me up out
52:57
Speaker 1: of there. I had to go. It wasn't you know
53:00
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it was at some point it
53:06
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work out with all of us. It just
53:08
Speaker 1: wasn't enough basketballs because you gotta think we don't one
53:12
Speaker 1: now we're going into the next transition year. I was
53:15
Speaker 1: already in their ear, like, hey, bro, it's time for
53:18
Speaker 1: me to get the ball back in my hands, like
53:20
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm twenty five, I
53:23
Speaker 1: don't know you know what I mean? Like we got
53:26
Speaker 1: our ring and shit, I'm like, it's time to groom
53:28
Speaker 1: me back into my point guard ship. Like I played
53:30
Speaker 1: y'all game, I ran around in the three and d. Shit,
53:33
Speaker 1: I was never a three and D guy. It's like
53:35
Speaker 1: I played, you were a two way player like a motherfucker. Man,
53:39
Speaker 1: I feel it. I'm a basketball player. Everybody in the
53:41
Speaker 1: league should be a two way player like a motherfucker.
53:43
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That should be standard, but
53:45
Speaker 1: it's not, which is weird. But they was trying to
53:47
Speaker 1: hype me up, like you're a three and D guy,
53:49
Speaker 1: like you can guard people. Yeah, everybody should be able
53:52
Speaker 1: to do that. That's pride, that ain't you know what
53:54
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's being a grown up. I don't
53:56
Speaker 1: know what to fucking tell you, Like, yeah, I'll curry
53:59
Speaker 1: over here play defense for free, bro, Like I don't
54:02
Speaker 1: I don't really care, Like whatever did you part of
54:05
Speaker 1: the game. But I felt like it's time for your
54:07
Speaker 1: min to go back to playing point guard. And when
54:09
Speaker 1: I became that and I became bullheaded and that it
54:12
Speaker 1: was like he got to get out of here. Well,
54:14
Speaker 1: because you were a certain point in time. I don't
54:16
Speaker 1: remember what I got traded. I was gonna say a
54:17
Speaker 1: certain point in time you were like the you were
54:19
Speaker 1: running point for the Cavs, like a bit here and there. Yeah,
54:22
Speaker 1: here and there. Yeah, I remember that. That was the
54:24
Speaker 1: That was the issue. It was like, bro, it can't
54:27
Speaker 1: be a tease me type of thing. I'm like, Kyrie
54:29
Speaker 1: like to shoot that mog anyway. I don't know why
54:31
Speaker 1: y'all forcing him to play. Did you see the Kyrie
54:34
Speaker 1: thing festering? Because the most surprising thing to me was
54:37
Speaker 1: when he asked to leave. Did you see that coming
54:40
Speaker 1: at all? I don't really, but I've like we all
54:45
Speaker 1: meant like I think people read into it a little
54:48
Speaker 1: too hard sometimes, like as a man, how you wake
54:54
Speaker 1: up today ain't gonna be the same as tomorrow, you
54:56
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like it's stuff that he
54:59
Speaker 1: didn't dealing with talking directly to ownership that you know,
55:03
Speaker 1: a little past our pay grade if you're not the
55:05
Speaker 1: guy on the team. What I mean. So it's like
55:08
Speaker 1: all the stuff that was happening behind the scenes. We
55:10
Speaker 1: didn't know Kyrie had been there longer than anybody, you
55:14
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Uh, that's a deeper rooted conversation
55:19
Speaker 1: for him, Like we didn't. It didn't really I ain't
55:25
Speaker 1: see it coming. It wasn't a shock though. I say
55:28
Speaker 1: that way. I knew Kyrie wanted some things to change
55:33
Speaker 1: just based upon him being him and being there that long.
55:38
Speaker 1: And it's hard to do that when we don't know
55:40
Speaker 1: whose Batman is. Kyrie is like y'all going back and
55:43
Speaker 1: forth with when I'm Batman and I don't like it.
55:46
Speaker 1: That's fair, you know what I'm saying. And that's what
55:48
Speaker 1: was tough. It's just like you got so many people here.
55:50
Speaker 1: It's like even when JR. Has these moments, that's one
55:54
Speaker 1: of the best heat checked players ever. Yeah, but it's
55:56
Speaker 1: like you got the moments. You gotta have the moments
55:58
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, bro, I guess I played with
56:00
Speaker 1: mellow I play you know what I'm saying, Like I
56:02
Speaker 1: get it. Also when he like the young guy that
56:05
Speaker 1: shoots the wild shots and y'all want to talk about
56:07
Speaker 1: my shot selection and shit, but he like, at some
56:10
Speaker 1: point it's end of the game. That's a ten year vet.
56:14
Speaker 1: Throw that bitch in there and let him play with
56:16
Speaker 1: his back to the basket. Like at some point we
56:18
Speaker 1: got to activate him to see if he turns into
56:21
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to. But that's the issue, Like they
56:23
Speaker 1: don't do that. They'll just leave you in that role
56:25
Speaker 1: and you got to play it for twenty years, you
56:27
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like that's where players become unhappy,
56:31
Speaker 1: where they're like, I'm sitting here, like when you watch
56:33
Speaker 1: your favorite players, you'd like I watched the development of them.
56:36
Speaker 1: Like you watch a guy come into the league and
56:39
Speaker 1: then he can't do this or he can't do that,
56:40
Speaker 1: and they put this, put this, put this, and then
56:43
Speaker 1: it's like now year five, they like, all right, let's
56:45
Speaker 1: see what he is. You know what I'm saying, let's
56:46
Speaker 1: really go for this title. And it's like you look
56:49
Speaker 1: at it now, and it's like, can he do it
56:51
Speaker 1: right now? What can you do for us right now?
56:53
Speaker 1: If they don't have it, trade him some real shit
56:57
Speaker 1: talk about you know what's crazy is I remember the
56:59
Speaker 1: first time I saw you rapping, I knew you were
57:01
Speaker 1: like making music, but I saw that Cipher was los
57:04
Speaker 1: and Travis Thompson, and I forget who else was a
57:06
Speaker 1: part of that cipher? Oh? Cash, Yeah, it was a
57:10
Speaker 1: it was a BT. And what's my boy? Who else is?
57:22
Speaker 1: Who is it? You already said, lo, it was King Los,
57:24
Speaker 1: it was Travis Thompson, it was you, it was you,
57:27
Speaker 1: say Cash all, I'm forgetting somebody I'll come back to.
57:34
Speaker 1: But it was I remember seeing it and being like,
57:37
Speaker 1: oh shit, you always got mistake for designer, but you
57:42
Speaker 1: were a better rapper than designer. But nah, but like
57:48
Speaker 1: you actually, like obviously, this is not something that you
57:50
Speaker 1: just picked up, you know, because you were bored, Like,
57:52
Speaker 1: this is something you have been doing for a long time.
57:55
Speaker 1: Kind of take us back, how long have you been
57:57
Speaker 1: making music or at least playing with the thought of
57:59
Speaker 1: like rapping or writing rhymes? Are just developing that writing rhymes?
58:04
Speaker 1: Probably since like sixth grade, making music and developing what
58:10
Speaker 1: that was? That was it till my freshman year of
58:15
Speaker 1: high school that I started recording my homie And I
58:18
Speaker 1: wasn't even like going to a studio. My homie had
58:21
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he had the new Mac, the new Mac computer.
58:26
Speaker 1: And with that new Mac computer, they had that built
58:29
Speaker 1: in mic ah. Yeah, how the garage, throw the headphones
58:36
Speaker 1: in and then uh he would put the little blanket
58:41
Speaker 1: up to cancel the noise. And I mean, this is
58:45
Speaker 1: just still sound all the way great, but uh, we
58:50
Speaker 1: were selling mixtapes like in high school, selling mixtapes well,
58:59
Speaker 1: along with other things. But I would package everything together
59:02
Speaker 1: and get it out to you and it was, yeah,
59:06
Speaker 1: it was. It was a vibe, man. But that's that's
59:08
Speaker 1: when I eighth of weed and a mixtape. But it's like,
59:12
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna listen to it now, but it's
59:14
Speaker 1: like I was doing mixed CDs, so I was bootlegging
59:17
Speaker 1: everybody else. Ship Bro me too. That's how I got
59:18
Speaker 1: my name. But le keV. Literally I was just burning
59:21
Speaker 1: CDs and I had taken Yeah, I had the two
59:25
Speaker 1: cdss and everything, the Southern Smokes, everything, all the radios.
59:31
Speaker 1: I had a folder with the each mixtape cup. I
59:36
Speaker 1: just took a little online printed out and then put
59:40
Speaker 1: all them ships in like this binder and ship I
59:43
Speaker 1: would go. I would go to and I have like
59:45
Speaker 1: eight versions of the CD stacked on top of each other,
59:47
Speaker 1: right behind that album. And I was taking I literally
59:49
Speaker 1: wasn't even like you wouldn't even get the CDK. Sometimes
59:52
Speaker 1: you just get the CD a piece of paper. I
59:55
Speaker 1: used to go to the office man with all this
59:59
Speaker 1: all like put that in right now. You ain't got
1:00:01
Speaker 1: no case, put it right now. That's so crazy. I
1:00:05
Speaker 1: used to. I used to like go on the message
1:00:07
Speaker 1: boards and download all the mixtapes and ship and albums
1:00:11
Speaker 1: and then uh, I'd hit office max and by the
1:00:16
Speaker 1: slim jewel cases. I had a little boot like I
1:00:18
Speaker 1: used to go shoplift the ink. Did you get the
1:00:20
Speaker 1: color the color coordinated cases? Yeah, but like you know,
1:00:25
Speaker 1: I had I had like like I used to print
1:00:27
Speaker 1: all the all the covers off. Yeah, my little cheap
1:00:29
Speaker 1: ass printer, and I would go steal the ink because
1:00:32
Speaker 1: the ink was fun expensive, so I would I'd steal
1:00:35
Speaker 1: the ink cartridges out of the demo printers at the store,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: and then and then I printed print print the covers
1:00:42
Speaker 1: and then I'd be a to swap meet every weekend
1:00:44
Speaker 1: slanging mixtapes, man and DVDs to man, you remember what
1:00:49
Speaker 1: the best seller was? What's the best seller? Like? Do
1:00:52
Speaker 1: you remember which artists which drop out? College? Dropout? Wow,
1:00:56
Speaker 1: I've never sold so many of one project for me,
1:00:59
Speaker 1: it was Uh. I used to I probably I've sold
1:01:02
Speaker 1: hundreds of Game the documentary album. The documentary did well too.
1:01:06
Speaker 1: The documentary was moving boy. But I was. I was
1:01:09
Speaker 1: big on mixed CDs. I always had at least like
1:01:12
Speaker 1: twenty five requests why I should do that too, or
1:01:16
Speaker 1: somebody would would give you a list and I'd be like, cool,
1:01:19
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, I'm gonna make the CD for you. Exactly
1:01:21
Speaker 1: see you was charging way more. I should have charged
1:01:23
Speaker 1: that much. My kids. I would charge five bucks per
1:01:26
Speaker 1: mixtape at the SI meet five bucks. But if you
1:01:29
Speaker 1: wanted a custom mix, it was a dub. So if like,
1:01:32
Speaker 1: let's say, say I should have did that my custom
1:01:34
Speaker 1: my custom mix was like it was like tim but
1:01:37
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, you could get this because I
1:01:39
Speaker 1: was really running them. I was really running them. You
1:01:41
Speaker 1: could get this new DJ Drama mixtape or Whoever's mixtape.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: But if you want me to put some shit together
1:01:47
Speaker 1: for you, twenty dollars. Yeah. But the twenty was really
1:01:50
Speaker 1: for the you know what I'm saying, for your time party,
1:01:53
Speaker 1: your party favor like it was it, oh I see,
1:01:56
Speaker 1: I see I. The twenty was for the eighths, That's
1:01:58
Speaker 1: what I was all that and then it was like,
1:02:03
Speaker 1: now it's twenty five balls, thirty balls coming each time
1:02:06
Speaker 1: we're dealing with a customer. You know what I'm saying,
1:02:08
Speaker 1: We killed two birds one stone. But I'm getting my
1:02:11
Speaker 1: project out there. That's how I felt about it, Like
1:02:14
Speaker 1: I'm getting my music out there. But what was crazy
1:02:17
Speaker 1: was people really was rocking with it, and at this time,
1:02:20
Speaker 1: you're obviously a star athlete at score them assuming, which
1:02:24
Speaker 1: is why they took it away from me. They made
1:02:27
Speaker 1: me stop because I wasn't back then. I didn't know
1:02:33
Speaker 1: nobody made it out where I was from. Just I'm
1:02:35
Speaker 1: not where are you from? So I went to well
1:02:39
Speaker 1: that's my school, Oh, par Reforce is my high school.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: But I'm from o Park, which is we bought a kid.
1:02:45
Speaker 1: So if you got Chicago, we the town inside the city.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: That literally says, if you cross this street, you're not
1:02:53
Speaker 1: out of Chicago, but it's Chicago, like a motherfucker. You
1:02:58
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. But that's the cool thing about
1:02:59
Speaker 1: it because I get like people that be like thinking,
1:03:02
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like this suburb kid, like I
1:03:04
Speaker 1: look great on paper, you know, I a old paper.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: I'm a great city. I'm an outstairs the guy, and
1:03:12
Speaker 1: I think that it's cool to sell when you talk
1:03:16
Speaker 1: about the dynamic of selling these CDs and getting shit
1:03:22
Speaker 1: like that off, because it's like I got protected in
1:03:24
Speaker 1: the sense that I got like the suburb kids, the
1:03:28
Speaker 1: city kids, I got everybody in one because I was
1:03:32
Speaker 1: a border kid, so nobody really knew where I lived at.
1:03:35
Speaker 1: People were trying to figure it out, like he all
1:03:37
Speaker 1: the way downhill, he go to Old Parl, his grandma
1:03:41
Speaker 1: stay right here, like it was like that. But it
1:03:43
Speaker 1: was like my clientele was just going crazy. And then
1:03:48
Speaker 1: I'm rapping and I'm freestyle and I'm doing all this
1:03:51
Speaker 1: and I started realizing, like people are really giving me
1:03:53
Speaker 1: a chance to do this, but I'm super flagrant and
1:03:57
Speaker 1: my raps you were seeing some more ship, Oh yeah,
1:04:01
Speaker 1: because I'm but I'm talking about stuff you're doing. Yeah,
1:04:04
Speaker 1: I'm talking it like you're talking about the ship you're
1:04:07
Speaker 1: doing in the streets. I'm like, bro, I can't you
1:04:09
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And they was like my coaching
1:04:11
Speaker 1: and heard it, and they like, you want like just
1:04:14
Speaker 1: they might use this against you if you're getting recruited
1:04:17
Speaker 1: fair enough immediately, yeah, like you have to stop. So
1:04:21
Speaker 1: I basically was like telling everybody like, yo, just please
1:04:25
Speaker 1: like don't don't upload this ship. Yeah, like just try
1:04:28
Speaker 1: and keep it as low as part, like we just
1:04:30
Speaker 1: like doing like just what is that pr damage ship?
1:04:35
Speaker 1: Like that's what we try to do that it was
1:04:39
Speaker 1: we try to do the we try to do the
1:04:42
Speaker 1: damage control. But I was just saying like, if you
1:04:44
Speaker 1: go back and listen to it, you'll be like, damn,
1:04:46
Speaker 1: like he really thought he wasn't going to the NBA
1:04:49
Speaker 1: on the logan, the way he was talking on these
1:04:50
Speaker 1: rats you're talking, Yeah, it's like the way you talking,
1:04:53
Speaker 1: it don't sound like dude ever played basketball in his
1:04:55
Speaker 1: life or give a fuck played basketball. And it was
1:04:58
Speaker 1: like after that, I had to sort of start tailoring shit.
1:05:02
Speaker 1: That's why if you go really listen to my earlier
1:05:06
Speaker 1: stuff that I released when I played for the Knicks,
1:05:08
Speaker 1: like I listen to it now and I like cringe
1:05:10
Speaker 1: and get mad because I'm like, bro, none of these
1:05:12
Speaker 1: songs was like this, this is a bunch of take
1:05:16
Speaker 1: this out, take that out. I can't say this, can't
1:05:20
Speaker 1: say that essentially, like like you'd have to almost record
1:05:25
Speaker 1: a song and then comb through it afterwards and be like,
1:05:27
Speaker 1: you know what I played for the Knicks. I can't
1:05:29
Speaker 1: say this and then have a record that I'm like, man,
1:05:32
Speaker 1: this shit just just the one. And then I'm like,
1:05:35
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing with that one though, because you
1:05:37
Speaker 1: can't say this, And then it's like I can't release
1:05:40
Speaker 1: it because I would have had to release it during
1:05:42
Speaker 1: this time. But we play tomorrow and now everybody's gonna
1:05:46
Speaker 1: think I'm not Focused's just so much shit drop music
1:05:50
Speaker 1: during the season. People going to look at you crazy. Yeah, exactly.
1:05:52
Speaker 1: And then it was like, because I was able to
1:05:55
Speaker 1: stay on beat and everybody else that is like playing defense.
1:05:58
Speaker 1: Hey listen, some of the worst rappers ever came out
1:06:02
Speaker 1: of them. It's because Test was horrible. God bless him.
1:06:06
Speaker 1: I went to a Ron Art Test music video shoot
1:06:08
Speaker 1: with Mike Jones and like when I was like in
1:06:10
Speaker 1: high school and it was it was rough True Warrior.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: I remember his label, True Warrior. I was at the
1:06:15
Speaker 1: video shoot Shout Shout out the True Warrio record. You
1:06:20
Speaker 1: remember that song. Ron Ard Test and Mike Jones. Oh
1:06:23
Speaker 1: my god, it was bad. But I was at the
1:06:25
Speaker 1: video shoot. It was in Phoenix. I was a kid
1:06:28
Speaker 1: in high school. They're like, Ron Art Test is shooting
1:06:30
Speaker 1: the video on the South Side. Mike Jones were like,
1:06:32
Speaker 1: we in there? What I swear to god, Bro, why
1:06:36
Speaker 1: was he in Arizona? Dude, I have no fucking mic No,
1:06:39
Speaker 1: he's from Texas. That's and this is peak Mike Jones.
1:06:44
Speaker 1: This is like switch a house. Yes, I'm like, we're going.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: It was at this record store called in the Groove
1:06:50
Speaker 1: Records and we were hanging out. Mike Jones got he
1:06:54
Speaker 1: shot the video inside of the the inside of the store,
1:06:57
Speaker 1: there was a barber chair and he's like getting this
1:06:59
Speaker 1: like fade while he's doing the video and it's around
1:07:01
Speaker 1: our test. So I just looked it up on YouTube
1:07:03
Speaker 1: recently to see if it was still there. It's still there. Terrible. Oh,
1:07:07
Speaker 1: it's so that's so bad. See that's how I feel.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Like when I go back and I listen to it,
1:07:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I could tell I'm like reading raps,
1:07:14
Speaker 1: not feeling I'm not. You know. That's the thing about
1:07:17
Speaker 1: music is my homies ain't in the studio. Yeah right now,
1:07:20
Speaker 1: Like I could tell what these songs are, and it's
1:07:23
Speaker 1: like I get it. Like even when like I used
1:07:26
Speaker 1: to be like getting mad when Mons used to be
1:07:28
Speaker 1: doing the whole they like man out of the NBA rappers,
1:07:31
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like, you know, it's Dame
1:07:33
Speaker 1: and A doing all this other shit. And I used
1:07:35
Speaker 1: to just be like I used to look keep me
1:07:37
Speaker 1: getting annoyed, like because I'm like, damn, bro, I should
1:07:40
Speaker 1: have just saved all my music until now. Yeah. Even
1:07:43
Speaker 1: when I see stuff like when people bring up the
1:07:46
Speaker 1: best NBA rappers, they'll like play a song that I
1:07:48
Speaker 1: did when I was like it was like twenty ten,
1:07:51
Speaker 1: twenty eleven type shit, and they'll play that song and
1:07:55
Speaker 1: like who's the best NBA rapper? And I'll be like, bro,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: that's A that's old. Yeah, Like I'd be like, you
1:08:00
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is this too? Is this to
1:08:02
Speaker 1: piss me off? I'm like, y'all trying to piss me off?
1:08:04
Speaker 1: Y'all steady starting threads. And I still think it. I
1:08:07
Speaker 1: still I still think I'm gonna play Dame new ship.
1:08:10
Speaker 1: I still think I still think of Shack Shaq Sack
1:08:15
Speaker 1: We're platinum and he had NAS and jay Z on
1:08:16
Speaker 1: a song together. Shaq was playing what's the song? I
1:08:20
Speaker 1: don't know? But you But this is what I mean
1:08:22
Speaker 1: by about the rapping ship, Like I feel like we
1:08:25
Speaker 1: all took an l until somebody's singing our lyrics. That's real.
1:08:29
Speaker 1: Like you can't stop the ring by shack Man, you
1:08:33
Speaker 1: still don't know it, you can't stop doing Come on
1:08:37
Speaker 1: that ship was I mean that wasn't his part. It
1:08:39
Speaker 1: was a great hook though. No, that's fair. I think
1:08:42
Speaker 1: Damien has I think you tell me about a sample
1:08:45
Speaker 1: the hook? Do you think he starts sinking? Do you
1:08:48
Speaker 1: think his part? Do you think Dame has at least
1:08:52
Speaker 1: done the best job of like juggling both? No, I
1:08:56
Speaker 1: think Dame is a superstar athlete with the money to
1:09:00
Speaker 1: put behind it. I don't think that. I think the
1:09:03
Speaker 1: NBA is way more lenient with Dame doing stuff like
1:09:07
Speaker 1: letting him perform for All Star, doing all this, which
1:09:09
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I'm not hating. I'm just saying
1:09:12
Speaker 1: if I was a rock star, like if I if
1:09:15
Speaker 1: I never played under Mellow and stat and when I
1:09:19
Speaker 1: went to New York it was just my ship and
1:09:21
Speaker 1: we just was I was the rookie that get to
1:09:23
Speaker 1: shoot it thirty times and do whatever the fuck I
1:09:25
Speaker 1: want my music? Would it it went different because it
1:09:28
Speaker 1: was like NBA can't say nothing. You might have been
1:09:31
Speaker 1: Kevin knock slow key. No, I'm just talking. That's the thing.
1:09:35
Speaker 1: I was guaranteed no shirit like I had New York cracking.
1:09:39
Speaker 1: It's like if we if we're gonna, if we're gonna, uh,
1:09:44
Speaker 1: let him shoot thirty shots a game to where it's
1:09:46
Speaker 1: like pressure or not. I'm shooting until I get in
1:09:50
Speaker 1: the mix. Like like in high school, it's like, bro,
1:09:53
Speaker 1: whether I'm having a good stint a bad stint. I
1:09:56
Speaker 1: got the ball so much I could sort of get
1:09:58
Speaker 1: in rhythm, you can get into groove, you know what
1:10:00
Speaker 1: I mean. It was like if I if I had that,
1:10:03
Speaker 1: then it's like they would have never hit me with
1:10:05
Speaker 1: the Oh he's not focused. Then it's like if I
1:10:08
Speaker 1: say a curse word or two, who cares? Moneg, I'm
1:10:10
Speaker 1: signed for a hundred million. Like also, you're a human being,
1:10:13
Speaker 1: people cuss. That's what I'm up in, which I started
1:10:17
Speaker 1: to realize once I'm like twenty seven, I'm like, bro,
1:10:20
Speaker 1: fuck y'all, I got a daughter, Like yeah, just because
1:10:23
Speaker 1: I graduated from listening to you, motherfucker. That's crazy. That's
1:10:27
Speaker 1: why I got to that point where I'm just like, Bro,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: you think you like a better parent because you lie
1:10:31
Speaker 1: to your kid all day, Like they don't close the
1:10:33
Speaker 1: door until talk about the real you. Like, kids know
1:10:37
Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing, Bro, it's just whenever you're gonna
1:10:39
Speaker 1: let them in on it. So it was like with me,
1:10:42
Speaker 1: I'm like, once I got to that point where I
1:10:44
Speaker 1: got daughters, it was just like I'm gonna say what
1:10:46
Speaker 1: I want and sort of do what I want. That
1:10:48
Speaker 1: control is kind of gone. But I feel like it's
1:10:51
Speaker 1: helping my music, Like it helped people to connect with
1:10:55
Speaker 1: me if they know, like Dude a lot like me,
1:10:58
Speaker 1: Like I thought he was like this superhero that never
1:11:00
Speaker 1: makes a mistake and ship, but it's like, honestly, bro,
1:11:04
Speaker 1: who's rooting for him? Nobody wants to root for Dude
1:11:07
Speaker 1: like goodie too shoe ass, Like I'm not rooting for him.
1:11:11
Speaker 1: I don't like him. Do you feel like now your
1:11:15
Speaker 1: music is in a place to be, you know, kind
1:11:19
Speaker 1: of like the forefront of your focus as far as
1:11:21
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously yeah you got you got pasted.
1:11:25
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think uh at this point, it's got
1:11:29
Speaker 1: to be just the only thing that it's literally the
1:11:32
Speaker 1: only thing that can never be taken. Father time ain't
1:11:35
Speaker 1: gonna take this from me. It's gonna live on forever. Yeah,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: like this, father Time just can't take my voice, you
1:11:42
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Well, father Time can, I just
1:11:45
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hit that for a longer time. It's
1:11:47
Speaker 1: gonna be a while before that happened, exactly. Basketball athletically,
1:11:51
Speaker 1: I can still Yeah, I could still go out there
1:11:53
Speaker 1: and do everything I need to do and play the game.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: But it's like at some point that was gonna stop.
1:11:59
Speaker 1: So it's like I knew at some point I was
1:12:01
Speaker 1: gonna tap more into the art side of who I am.
1:12:04
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was just a matter
1:12:06
Speaker 1: of everything lining up. And I feel like right now,
1:12:10
Speaker 1: entertainment wise, music, it just it's people want to hear
1:12:14
Speaker 1: me tell my story. That's that's my favorite way to
1:12:16
Speaker 1: do it. What are the MC's artists that are kind of,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: you know, currently doing their thing right now that you're
1:12:24
Speaker 1: that you're actually like a fan of so much dope
1:12:27
Speaker 1: hip hop that's out right now. I'm a my newest,
1:12:35
Speaker 1: my newest I'll say flowers, and now my Flowers is
1:12:39
Speaker 1: joining Lucas Joiners Fire. Best videos, it's the videos in decades,
1:12:44
Speaker 1: it's the video he he reminds me of you know,
1:12:47
Speaker 1: when we grew up, we were watching Bust of Rhymes
1:12:48
Speaker 1: and Missy Elliott and and it's like we knows, remember
1:12:53
Speaker 1: know what we're going for them for videos are They're
1:12:56
Speaker 1: so well thought out, They're just amazing. Got a great
1:12:58
Speaker 1: team and he couldrap his ass, for sure, you got
1:13:00
Speaker 1: a great team. But I love that he doesn't hang
1:13:04
Speaker 1: his hat on if he has a club hit, It's like,
1:13:07
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you content. I'm gonna give you
1:13:10
Speaker 1: build this organic fan base. Conceptually it is dominant, and
1:13:14
Speaker 1: I I fuck with that. Him. Dirk is just he's
1:13:20
Speaker 1: gotten to a point that I truly feel like everything
1:13:25
Speaker 1: he says is just Chicago. Like if I want to
1:13:27
Speaker 1: go home, I'm putting on dirt. You know what I'm saying,
1:13:30
Speaker 1: I'm putting on her. It's just they've gotten to the
1:13:33
Speaker 1: point where I no longer feel like they rap. They
1:13:35
Speaker 1: just sort of talking talking for us. Like I don't
1:13:39
Speaker 1: know how to explain it. Just like everything they say
1:13:41
Speaker 1: it sounds like they in a chicken spot with me.
1:13:44
Speaker 1: It don't sound like they rap it and trying to
1:13:47
Speaker 1: make a hit song. It's like, gee, whatever they say
1:13:49
Speaker 1: is law right now? Outside of them. J I D
1:13:55
Speaker 1: Jed's incredible, big ji D fan, that's my boy too,
1:13:59
Speaker 1: shout the dream. But now j I D is a
1:14:02
Speaker 1: quite as kept, like technically one of the illness. Like
1:14:06
Speaker 1: it's just it's a lot to digest. Oh, it's a lot, man,
1:14:08
Speaker 1: He's technically just a Jedi. I'll never forget here and
1:14:12
Speaker 1: it never been and she had never had, she never knew,
1:14:14
Speaker 1: she had, never out, never do, never gave two shits
1:14:17
Speaker 1: like his Uh yeah, his cadence is unbelievable. And then
1:14:21
Speaker 1: besides that is I'm a little baby guy. Yeah, a
1:14:24
Speaker 1: little baby's protecting him at all costs, a little baby.
1:14:28
Speaker 1: And Dirk's like the album cold well No, just the
1:14:32
Speaker 1: way that each of them have evolved in front of
1:14:34
Speaker 1: our eyes as artists and just as like you know,
1:14:37
Speaker 1: I think of Dirk like Dirk really and his stride
1:14:40
Speaker 1: until like two three years ago, but he's been in
1:14:42
Speaker 1: the game for so long as far as like people
1:14:44
Speaker 1: like looking at him as like one of them. One.
1:14:45
Speaker 1: I think it went it went from Dirk. Uh. At
1:14:50
Speaker 1: some point Dirk kind of figured it out. Yeah, I
1:14:54
Speaker 1: want to say it was signed to the streets. There
1:14:57
Speaker 1: was a certain point where you just feel like, oh,
1:14:59
Speaker 1: Dirk figured this shut out because he had always been,
1:15:01
Speaker 1: you know, doing this thing. It was like doing his thing,
1:15:06
Speaker 1: and he had the streets and then he like started
1:15:09
Speaker 1: trying to like figure out the mass. And at some
1:15:14
Speaker 1: point it was like he got on a record and
1:15:18
Speaker 1: he started talking like he was older than everybody, and
1:15:22
Speaker 1: I was like, now you in yeah, before he was
1:15:25
Speaker 1: like it was like, real, young boy, let me show
1:15:27
Speaker 1: you my world to me, That's how I took it.
1:15:30
Speaker 1: And then at some point on sign to the Streets,
1:15:34
Speaker 1: it was like he graduated himself, like no, no, no,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: I graduated and now I'm trying to like tell me y'all.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: I think, And then I think with Little Baby, I
1:15:42
Speaker 1: think Little Baby might be probably the most improved MC
1:15:45
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time, because if we think
1:15:47
Speaker 1: about like early Little Baby, we would think like Little
1:15:50
Speaker 1: Baby would openly talk about how Gunna would like give
1:15:53
Speaker 1: him tips on how to rap, and like he hasn't
1:15:55
Speaker 1: been rapping that long, you know, And if you just
1:15:57
Speaker 1: think of like the last two years, he's like a superior.
1:16:00
Speaker 1: He's like one of the top notch. Like MC's not
1:16:04
Speaker 1: just guys who make records that you could hear in
1:16:06
Speaker 1: the club or on the radio, like this motherfucker can
1:16:08
Speaker 1: rap circles around nine the population. I think it's uh
1:16:15
Speaker 1: one is a little bit of this little baby's energy,
1:16:19
Speaker 1: like little babies like, uh, well, I can't think of it.
1:16:27
Speaker 1: I don't watch you watch like cartoons and shit. I
1:16:31
Speaker 1: mean I watched a cartoon that is somebody that like
1:16:35
Speaker 1: like takes in energy and shit and then they have
1:16:38
Speaker 1: like a big power. I was finna say Dragon ball
1:16:40
Speaker 1: Z Mega Man, Mega Man. That's that's a video game,
1:16:45
Speaker 1: video game. But it's like little Baby reminds me of that,
1:16:48
Speaker 1: and I feel like he like it too, like everyone's
1:16:50
Speaker 1: powers that he was around. And then just it's type
1:16:52
Speaker 1: it's not even that, it's the energy of what he's
1:16:55
Speaker 1: dealing with. So it's like with little Baby, you know
1:16:58
Speaker 1: how people like get to this point where it's like
1:17:00
Speaker 1: you hot, you just drop these two songs like let's chill,
1:17:05
Speaker 1: let's work these records and do this right. And it's
1:17:08
Speaker 1: like little Baby has this gift that is just like no,
1:17:11
Speaker 1: let's go again, like no, here's another project, here's a
1:17:14
Speaker 1: even on his even on his his his his uh,
1:17:17
Speaker 1: his features, it's like it sounds like like when Calid
1:17:20
Speaker 1: like keep going like I'm like, it's the energy, Like
1:17:24
Speaker 1: how he just gonna keep that Kalid record. I'd be
1:17:28
Speaker 1: like this the whole time in the car. My wife
1:17:29
Speaker 1: be like, bro, oh my god, y'all gonna play this
1:17:32
Speaker 1: little baby. This boyfriend lose his man like that song
1:17:35
Speaker 1: that's so crazy. But it's like he talking low like
1:17:39
Speaker 1: anybody that's gonna talk it and say like it's just
1:17:43
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like my shit is that that
1:17:46
Speaker 1: I ain't got a hundred million. I can't chill you,
1:17:49
Speaker 1: but don't get its screw I get rid. He just
1:17:52
Speaker 1: put he just put forty two. Dug fell asleep in
1:17:55
Speaker 1: the studio and he feels him. He's like, how do
1:17:57
Speaker 1: you fall asleep? You don't have one hundred million. But
1:18:00
Speaker 1: it's like stuff like that, it's just the work ethic,
1:18:03
Speaker 1: the the forefront of what he's saying. Watching him force
1:18:10
Speaker 1: capital onto his people. Yeah, like he's forcing them to
1:18:15
Speaker 1: have to figure it out with money, Like i'mna, I'm
1:18:18
Speaker 1: gonna bring in so much money, so much money has
1:18:21
Speaker 1: to come around every time I show up, that y'all
1:18:23
Speaker 1: gotta make money, figure it out. And I love that energy,
1:18:26
Speaker 1: like anybody that could push that, Like I used to
1:18:28
Speaker 1: go to meet for that energy, you know what I'm saying.
1:18:31
Speaker 1: Like not to say meat fell off of some ship.
1:18:33
Speaker 1: It's just every energy is different around every couple of years.
1:18:37
Speaker 1: But I mean me's getting older, Well I gonna say
1:18:39
Speaker 1: that happens meat bossing up to Like like I said,
1:18:42
Speaker 1: they graduate themselves. It's been around for ten years now.
1:18:46
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but that's what Meek was when
1:18:48
Speaker 1: I first stream Chasers dream Man. He's showing up with
1:18:51
Speaker 1: a hoodie, a hundre of niggas and they rapping, and
1:18:53
Speaker 1: the energy it's just like you know what I'm saying,
1:18:56
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's what little Baby is, but
1:18:58
Speaker 1: little babies like the meat energy that Meek had with
1:19:01
Speaker 1: the hoodies. But it's like everybody got on chains, everybody
1:19:05
Speaker 1: got watches, everybody, and they all behind him like with
1:19:10
Speaker 1: this energy. That's just like I've never seen an energy
1:19:13
Speaker 1: like that in a studio, Like you know what I'm saying,
1:19:16
Speaker 1: Like I've been around a lot of artists like him,
1:19:19
Speaker 1: And another person that impressed me in the studio was
1:19:21
Speaker 1: young Thug. I've never seen two people work like that, Like, yeah,
1:19:25
Speaker 1: I think thugs are alien from all accounts. I've heard
1:19:27
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Yeah, I heard he's like just no bullshit,
1:19:31
Speaker 1: and I think I'm talking about I've had people say
1:19:33
Speaker 1: in the studio, nobody can hear what he's doing, like
1:19:36
Speaker 1: the engineer has headphones on. He's in the booth and
1:19:40
Speaker 1: you're just gonna hear it when he wants you to
1:19:42
Speaker 1: hear it. Yeah, but he's but he's in the other
1:19:45
Speaker 1: rooms in the fut also meticulous, like he's gonna go
1:19:48
Speaker 1: in there, he's gonna do his thing, y'all gonna record whatever.
1:19:51
Speaker 1: Then he gonna come out and he gonna grab the
1:19:54
Speaker 1: mouse and he gonna do some stuff himself. And we've
1:19:56
Speaker 1: seen the meme like it's, oh yeah, people think it's joke, greate,
1:20:04
Speaker 1: Like people be thinking it's like for food for fun.
1:20:06
Speaker 1: Like it's like he knows exactly what he's doing. He
1:20:09
Speaker 1: really in control, He really trying to do something right now.
1:20:12
Speaker 1: And it was crazy because it was like before that.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: A lot of times when I go, you know, he
1:20:16
Speaker 1: does the high pitch stuff with the auto tune. A
1:20:19
Speaker 1: lot of times I couldn't understand some of the stuff
1:20:21
Speaker 1: he said. And I look, he had a knock against
1:20:23
Speaker 1: Doug for that, but being in there and seeing it
1:20:27
Speaker 1: and then hearing Yeah, it's like he's like going for
1:20:30
Speaker 1: a certain pitch. This is not a this is not
1:20:33
Speaker 1: a he just went in there. I thought he just
1:20:35
Speaker 1: went in there high and it was just like yeah,
1:20:37
Speaker 1: it's just like he didn't really care that much. Stop
1:20:39
Speaker 1: behind it. No, Yeah, he's really like. No. If I
1:20:42
Speaker 1: get you to that frequency and I you know, I
1:20:45
Speaker 1: say it like that, you'll never forget what I said,
1:20:48
Speaker 1: because it's so unique. It's so left, it's so random
1:20:51
Speaker 1: that it sticks out. It's a sore thumb, and it
1:20:55
Speaker 1: doesn't seem beautiful all the time at first, but it's
1:20:58
Speaker 1: like over and over it might be the only thing
1:20:59
Speaker 1: you were remember from the song. Yeah, I think two
1:21:02
Speaker 1: people like anytime someone is so different and so unique.
1:21:06
Speaker 1: Man young Thug made dropping Jews. That's one of the coldest.
1:21:10
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like thugs like the kind of
1:21:12
Speaker 1: artists who comes into the game and it's so unique
1:21:15
Speaker 1: that like people are supposed to be like what the
1:21:18
Speaker 1: fuck is this? For sure? I mean he just threw
1:21:20
Speaker 1: everybody off with the dresses, and I think that's it.
1:21:22
Speaker 1: I think that's any I mean even even think about
1:21:24
Speaker 1: Little Baby. Like when Little Baby first came out, people
1:21:26
Speaker 1: are like, what the fuck is this guy saying, like,
1:21:28
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's just like anything that's
1:21:30
Speaker 1: great is initially gonna come. You gotta get used to
1:21:33
Speaker 1: anything new, you know what I mean. Like if everyone
1:21:36
Speaker 1: was just feeding you the status call that everyone would
1:21:38
Speaker 1: still sound like fucking run DMC, you know what I mean.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: So so he said, shot, what music wise, what do
1:21:47
Speaker 1: you have on the on on the uh on the
1:21:50
Speaker 1: slate right now? We just dropped outside. So outside was
1:21:55
Speaker 1: one of them records that happened should have been came out,
1:21:59
Speaker 1: but I just started doing too much. I took on
1:22:02
Speaker 1: the Dancing with the Star Ship. Yeah, ye had film
1:22:05
Speaker 1: that show like every more timing, Yeah, I definitely will.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I dropped outside. I got the video
1:22:14
Speaker 1: coming next. We shot the video in Chicago. It was nuts. Yeah,
1:22:18
Speaker 1: you know, we probably came out of Honeystrom, went out,
1:22:21
Speaker 1: fuck the city up a little bit. It was. It
1:22:23
Speaker 1: was a good time. But yeah, we're gonna drop that video.
1:22:29
Speaker 1: And uh, I guess going into the new year, I
1:22:32
Speaker 1: mean I gotta, you know, I gotta clear with Giants
1:22:34
Speaker 1: storm to make sure. But I believe. I believe we
1:22:38
Speaker 1: dropping just to kick the year off. So this car
1:22:42
Speaker 1: Ain't stolen. That's the album called My It's My My
1:22:47
Speaker 1: first album that I'm putting out. Everything else has been
1:22:50
Speaker 1: like EP yeah, little little stuff, but that's literally just
1:22:55
Speaker 1: to remind people that I still car aren't stolen. So
1:22:59
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that something that's happened to you before, being
1:23:02
Speaker 1: a millionaire who was African Americans, probably driving some of
1:23:05
Speaker 1: the nicest cars and yeah, yeah, that's like it's like
1:23:09
Speaker 1: it's like a dick hard moment though when you do it,
1:23:11
Speaker 1: like you're pulling me over and you want this car
1:23:14
Speaker 1: to be stolen so bad, but it's not. It's so clean.
1:23:18
Speaker 1: It's so clean. You want this firearm to be off,
1:23:22
Speaker 1: you want you just want so much to be going
1:23:24
Speaker 1: wrong right now, but nothing's wrong. It's so fair and square.
1:23:29
Speaker 1: I just like, I love that moment of looking at
1:23:31
Speaker 1: the cop like, what's up, Bro? Oh you mom? Yeah
1:23:34
Speaker 1: that's me, Bro, that's me. Yeah, I played with Bro
1:23:38
Speaker 1: all that same dumb shit, but you pulled me over
1:23:40
Speaker 1: for some bullshit skate. Yeah, let me out. I gotta go.
1:23:44
Speaker 1: I really need to leave, Sir, I do sir can
1:23:48
Speaker 1: I have my ID back. My father's an insurance agent.
1:23:51
Speaker 1: I know my ship together. Give me my ship back,
1:23:53
Speaker 1: Clock League, because you ain't pull me over for nothing.
1:23:56
Speaker 1: But it's like playing on that. I've been slammed on
1:24:02
Speaker 1: the hood of cause I've been padded down for no reason.
1:24:06
Speaker 1: I've had to deal with all the same similar things
1:24:09
Speaker 1: as everybody else. Being an African American man that stands
1:24:14
Speaker 1: over six feet, I'm automatically a threat. If you're a
1:24:19
Speaker 1: cop that's not way bigger than me. I would see
1:24:22
Speaker 1: myself as a threat too, you know what I'm saying.
1:24:24
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this like it's a bad thing, but
1:24:27
Speaker 1: it's like I've had to deal with that. So for
1:24:29
Speaker 1: me in life, I don't take things as all. This
1:24:34
Speaker 1: is unfair. I'm sad. Everything to me is competition. So
1:24:39
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this is a game. This is now monopoly.
1:24:44
Speaker 1: I win. That's what this album is. It's like, bro
1:24:47
Speaker 1: y'all gave me shit. I was a border kid. Y'all
1:24:51
Speaker 1: didn't really like the suburb kids said I was broke.
1:24:54
Speaker 1: The city kids said I was a suburb kid, and
1:24:56
Speaker 1: I was soft. You know what I'm saying, y'all said,
1:24:59
Speaker 1: no body go to the league from Old Park. Like,
1:25:02
Speaker 1: I'm like, far as I'm concerned, I won this game Monopoly.
1:25:05
Speaker 1: Like that's how I feel. As far as I'm concerned,
1:25:07
Speaker 1: I won, Officer. You know what I'm saying, Like, Officer,
1:25:13
Speaker 1: you just got to get better at the game of Monopoly. Bro.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: But I didn't tell you to be an officer. You
1:25:17
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You could drive this same car
1:25:19
Speaker 1: if you work really hard and put that bitch in
1:25:21
Speaker 1: the hoop. You know what I'm saying, If you put
1:25:23
Speaker 1: it in a hoop, I swear to God, you could
1:25:25
Speaker 1: be here too. You could do this too, Bro, Probably
1:25:28
Speaker 1: five eighth to do with me, because there's some people
1:25:31
Speaker 1: that's five league, yeah that they't got nothing to do
1:25:34
Speaker 1: with it. Not many people that are. It's a couple
1:25:36
Speaker 1: of girls, it's a couple of guys. Man. But Isaiah's
1:25:40
Speaker 1: in the G League. Who else? Who else is five
1:25:43
Speaker 1: ft eight? I mean, I hate that G League. See,
1:25:46
Speaker 1: I hate that the G League made it possible for
1:25:49
Speaker 1: people to say that about Isaiah. I know, because God
1:25:51
Speaker 1: bless him, he's in it. Bro, I cannot believe the
1:25:55
Speaker 1: violation that the G League will allow. Bro. We can't
1:25:58
Speaker 1: do that. That big who who that was All Star candidate?
1:26:06
Speaker 1: Dog gave us fifty After he got terrible news in
1:26:10
Speaker 1: the playoffs, he took a shot, just taking shots in
1:26:16
Speaker 1: the hip so that he could figure it out. I know,
1:26:18
Speaker 1: I was so mad when these people got this man
1:26:21
Speaker 1: beg and to play basketball. Well not big, but it's crazy.
1:26:26
Speaker 1: He should not be knocking on nobody door, Like, yeah, man,
1:26:28
Speaker 1: I got more in the tank, Like, come on, bro,
1:26:31
Speaker 1: like that type of stuff that hurts. Do you still
1:26:34
Speaker 1: do you still feel like I'm knock on door? Do
1:26:35
Speaker 1: you still feel like you have some some of the tank?
1:26:38
Speaker 1: I got more feel something I'm saying, do you have
1:26:41
Speaker 1: the like do you still want a lot of people
1:26:43
Speaker 1: playing basketball right now in the league over me? That
1:26:46
Speaker 1: I feel like they should not be playing ball in
1:26:48
Speaker 1: the league over me? You know what I'm saying, I'm
1:26:51
Speaker 1: sure willing to violate. I'm not gonna get y'all specifics
1:26:53
Speaker 1: and try and violate people. I mean, I could go
1:26:55
Speaker 1: through an ultimate I'm an ultimate competitor. Everybody didn't know
1:26:59
Speaker 1: me in the league. No, bro, I want to compete.
1:27:01
Speaker 1: I want war, I want conflict, like I love that
1:27:04
Speaker 1: energy of basketball. I tell you who I would rather
1:27:06
Speaker 1: have on the Sun's I would rather have you instead
1:27:10
Speaker 1: of Admiral nat There's a guy on the Sun's name.
1:27:15
Speaker 1: Every time he gets every time, every time Monsie Williams
1:27:18
Speaker 1: puts Admiral Nader in the fucking game, I want to
1:27:20
Speaker 1: stab myself. But you know what's crazy. That's what I'm
1:27:23
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about basketball though, Like I'm able to
1:27:26
Speaker 1: talk about it because I'd have played in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:27:29
Speaker 1: I'm talking. But the thing that's crazy is you'll put
1:27:35
Speaker 1: dude on the court in the right system and he'll
1:27:38
Speaker 1: bust people in for sure. I mean everyone in the
1:27:40
Speaker 1: NBA is good, right, very good, Yes, very good. It's
1:27:44
Speaker 1: just crazy that you can That's what I'm saying. Before
1:27:47
Speaker 1: bron went to Miami, Bro, do you realize I feel
1:27:51
Speaker 1: like it was not disrespected. I feel like it was
1:27:54
Speaker 1: only hardcore. I feel like there was no disrespect going.
1:27:57
Speaker 1: I don't know mans like this when I was When
1:28:01
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I hated Karl Malone so much.
1:28:05
Speaker 1: I just I would John Stocked. I just thought John
1:28:10
Speaker 1: Stock was the corny is short short wearing I'm like,
1:28:13
Speaker 1: look at this corny ass motherfucker. Like that was what
1:28:15
Speaker 1: made the basketball great because like you gotta come to
1:28:17
Speaker 1: Utah and God, these short, short motherfuckers that say, yeah,
1:28:20
Speaker 1: y'all have this slag, we go bust y'all last week,
1:28:22
Speaker 1: y'all get here, you know. I mean that's I feel
1:28:26
Speaker 1: like hardcore basketball fans are always talking shit. Oh no,
1:28:29
Speaker 1: for sure, you got to that's what make the game great.
1:28:32
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do you guys pay attention
1:28:35
Speaker 1: to the Skip Bayless's of the world, the First Takes
1:28:39
Speaker 1: of the world, the Steven A. Smith's of the world.
1:28:41
Speaker 1: Part of it, They're part of it. It annoys you,
1:28:44
Speaker 1: but I don't think we take it. We don't take
1:28:46
Speaker 1: it that. Some guys do have moments where they take
1:28:49
Speaker 1: it pretty personal, though, but it's just annoying. Like you
1:28:52
Speaker 1: you wake up from your pregame map and you got
1:28:56
Speaker 1: a million text messages about what Skip Bayless said about
1:28:59
Speaker 1: you before a game. Because some of that stuff to
1:29:03
Speaker 1: me is like borderline, like take it personal types, especially
1:29:07
Speaker 1: like when we're talking about, like you know, the Skip
1:29:09
Speaker 1: and Lebron dynamic or some of the stuff Stephen A.
1:29:12
Speaker 1: Smith has said about certain people. I'm glad at times,
1:29:15
Speaker 1: I'm glad they don't do that to me. You know
1:29:19
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're not sure how you would take it.
1:29:20
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm not sure how I would, but I'm
1:29:24
Speaker 1: big on I'll take it fine publicly like I can.
1:29:30
Speaker 1: I can media coach myself. Right. You could be in
1:29:34
Speaker 1: the press contrad ask me a question. I get the
1:29:38
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch. I'm just here so I will get fine.
1:29:40
Speaker 1: Like whatever. It's when I have to see you again,
1:29:44
Speaker 1: that's when things can get interesting. Yeah, Like stephen A
1:29:47
Speaker 1: is a you shooting around before the game. He come
1:29:51
Speaker 1: out there? What's up? Man? Just start talking to you.
1:29:54
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, if you ever went on national television
1:29:57
Speaker 1: and created a whirl win with my my life before
1:30:00
Speaker 1: a basketball game and I didn't perform how I wanted
1:30:03
Speaker 1: in that basketball game, if you walked up to me before,
1:30:06
Speaker 1: I don't know what will happen. Yeah, just because I
1:30:09
Speaker 1: will react, you know what I'm saying, Like it would
1:30:11
Speaker 1: be literally grown man react and the same way you
1:30:14
Speaker 1: say when you play basketball, you react to go get
1:30:16
Speaker 1: the loose ball. You don't think about that like you
1:30:18
Speaker 1: when you talk about something like that. It's like, bro,
1:30:21
Speaker 1: I did everything right with my pregame. My pregame routine.
1:30:24
Speaker 1: I was in a vibe, we had a great practice,
1:30:26
Speaker 1: We're doing all this stuff, and now randomly you bringing
1:30:31
Speaker 1: this up, and you and Skip argued about it for
1:30:33
Speaker 1: an hour, and now everything that everybody is talking about
1:30:36
Speaker 1: is just negative stuff for my name, and I can't
1:30:39
Speaker 1: do anything now. I can't go on Instagram if I
1:30:41
Speaker 1: wanted to look at something that was posted by my wife.
1:30:47
Speaker 1: I can't go on Instagram now because as soon as
1:30:49
Speaker 1: I open it, everybody's talking about what you Skip was
1:30:52
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm saying. So it's like,
1:30:53
Speaker 1: if I had to deal with that dynamic every day,
1:30:57
Speaker 1: I probably would have an issue with it. I can
1:30:59
Speaker 1: only a mater. I'm glad I didn't I had to.
1:31:02
Speaker 1: You know, I think after a while, everybody sort of realize, like, hey, bro,
1:31:05
Speaker 1: let's just lead dude out of it. Would you would you?
1:31:09
Speaker 1: Would you try to get would you trying to get
1:31:12
Speaker 1: back on a roster? Or do you like the Big
1:31:13
Speaker 1: three thing at all? Or oh? I don't know. I
1:31:19
Speaker 1: ain't never gonna say no. I love basketball, bro, like
1:31:21
Speaker 1: I just like playing basketball, So I wouldn't rule the
1:31:24
Speaker 1: Big three out. Big three. It's always I love watching
1:31:26
Speaker 1: the Big Three I just like playing basket. I like
1:31:28
Speaker 1: to see Iso Joe out there. You know what I'm saying.
1:31:30
Speaker 1: It's just love. It's like, bro, we're gonna play anyway. Yeah.
1:31:33
Speaker 1: I try and explain to people all the time. They're like, man,
1:31:36
Speaker 1: I wish you just it's not like you stopped playing. Yeah,
1:31:38
Speaker 1: it's like, bro, I don't not love basket. Still play
1:31:40
Speaker 1: like the owners of that ball club and the GM
1:31:44
Speaker 1: is going a different direction that has nothing to do
1:31:47
Speaker 1: with eman, like you're not finna Like bro, if y'all
1:31:50
Speaker 1: want to come to the gym that I be at, like,
1:31:53
Speaker 1: you gotta know somebody, right, But it's like we be
1:31:57
Speaker 1: in the gym, like we're getting it in. It's just
1:32:00
Speaker 1: whether or not the opportunity is there because I'm like
1:32:03
Speaker 1: though though, it's like I'm working my ass off. They
1:32:07
Speaker 1: can't just be like, oh yeah, man, come in. They
1:32:09
Speaker 1: gotta make sense. Like they got young guys they drafted,
1:32:11
Speaker 1: they got it right. They got G League guys that
1:32:15
Speaker 1: are already there that are twenty two years old and
1:32:19
Speaker 1: healthy right now and under their wing. It's like me,
1:32:23
Speaker 1: it's hit a miss, bro. It honestly is if you
1:32:25
Speaker 1: bringing in a ten year veteran. I'm thirty years old.
1:32:29
Speaker 1: I don't come with you're not that old. I'm thirty one.
1:32:32
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. What I'm saying is if you got
1:32:34
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old and you wasn't gonna give
1:32:37
Speaker 1: me the ball twenty times a play anyway, I mean
1:32:39
Speaker 1: twenty times a game anyway, why wouldn't you pay the
1:32:42
Speaker 1: twenty two year old? Do you think? Because I think
1:32:44
Speaker 1: I think of like a team like the Lakers that
1:32:46
Speaker 1: have lost a lot of their defensive credibility this year.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's on bron Man, Bron Bro,
1:32:54
Speaker 1: you know what time it is? Man? That's old you.
1:32:56
Speaker 1: S What do you think you know what time it is?
1:32:58
Speaker 1: That's old you, bro. You know you You could call
1:33:00
Speaker 1: Shy Mellow too. It ain't just on Braun, I lie Mellow.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: That's on YouTube. Man. If y'all want to hear nothing
1:33:06
Speaker 1: about y'all little defensive issues and leadership veteran issues and all,
1:33:12
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that out of them too.
1:33:14
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, like, as just from someone
1:33:15
Speaker 1: who's closer to you know, Bron and Mellow like you know,
1:33:19
Speaker 1: and also as a basketball guy, what do you think
1:33:21
Speaker 1: is wrong with the Lakers this year? Shit something doing
1:33:26
Speaker 1: an interview with you right now, that's their issue. She
1:33:30
Speaker 1: should be with them. No, uh no, for real, for real,
1:33:36
Speaker 1: I was playing, but I'm kind of serious, Like I
1:33:38
Speaker 1: really do feel like it's something that's I haven't been
1:33:42
Speaker 1: around the team to know exactly what it is, right,
1:33:44
Speaker 1: but to me, they don't get down together like I
1:33:51
Speaker 1: feel like they feel like they're hanging out. Well, I
1:33:53
Speaker 1: feel like they traded away a lot of that, right
1:33:55
Speaker 1: because if you think of like for sure, but I mean,
1:33:59
Speaker 1: there was a time that during that Calf season that
1:34:01
Speaker 1: Bron literally it stretched stressed the importance of us all
1:34:06
Speaker 1: hanging out together. Like I remember, was it the Halloween
1:34:09
Speaker 1: party with Steph always do stuff like it? Was it
1:34:12
Speaker 1: steph Cree tombstone? Was that what it was? I forget
1:34:15
Speaker 1: what it was. It was something like that. It was
1:34:18
Speaker 1: like a Warriors tombstone or something that one of Lebron's
1:34:20
Speaker 1: Halloween parties. Yeah, I don't remember that. That's that's fucking good.
1:34:25
Speaker 1: But so you you think it's just the fact that
1:34:28
Speaker 1: they don't really get down together like it just I
1:34:31
Speaker 1: don't think they got to a dance they haven't had
1:34:33
Speaker 1: a chance yet. You know what I'm saying, Like maybe
1:34:35
Speaker 1: COVID all this other stuff, like it just doesn't look
1:34:38
Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys that been hanging out and
1:34:41
Speaker 1: playing pick up against each other enough, you know what
1:34:43
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like they don't know how to all
1:34:45
Speaker 1: the way get each other vibing. And that's you know,
1:34:48
Speaker 1: once you add Russell Westbrook, it changes a huge dame.
1:34:51
Speaker 1: Do you think that that was Do you think that
1:34:53
Speaker 1: that was the right decision? Think that was the right
1:34:55
Speaker 1: decision at all. I think that they would have rather
1:34:57
Speaker 1: have had Buddy Hill than kept Alex Caruso, because that's
1:35:00
Speaker 1: why I think it's better if it works better for Broun. Right,
1:35:03
Speaker 1: But you're also talking about nineteen years in Broun. Yeah,
1:35:10
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, m there.
1:35:16
Speaker 1: I saw today that they were saying that the Lakers
1:35:18
Speaker 1: are it's okay to bring Russ if you got a
1:35:20
Speaker 1: nineteen year in Broun, because it's like Russell pushed that
1:35:23
Speaker 1: pace and if Lebron has to sit out two weeks,
1:35:26
Speaker 1: there's someone who is hold post, who can hold the
1:35:29
Speaker 1: Ford down. Let me ask you this, there there's a
1:35:31
Speaker 1: rumor going around that the Lakers are looking into Ben Simmons.
1:35:36
Speaker 1: If you're the Lakers GM, hypothetically Imon Schumper, you're the GM.
1:35:39
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen. James Jones is the Son's GM.
1:35:41
Speaker 1: He was in the league not long too long ago.
1:35:44
Speaker 1: If you could trade Russell Westbrook for Ben Simmons, would
1:35:48
Speaker 1: you make that swap? If I'm the Lakers, If you're
1:35:55
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you're making the swaps. That's fair for sure.
1:36:01
Speaker 1: But that's just me. That's my preference of basketball. It's
1:36:05
Speaker 1: it helps you a lot on on the defensive liability
1:36:07
Speaker 1: that's happening. You got the best perimeterive defensive guy in
1:36:10
Speaker 1: the league. It becomes great on defense. It ruins a
1:36:13
Speaker 1: lot offensively. It does scares them, which scares them, but
1:36:17
Speaker 1: it only ruins a lot offensively if you're not willing
1:36:20
Speaker 1: to take the challenge of what the challenge is when
1:36:22
Speaker 1: taking on Ben Simmons. The challenge of taking on Ben
1:36:26
Speaker 1: Simmons is he doesn't shoot threes. But it's not the
1:36:31
Speaker 1: we need him to. He just doesn't shoot threes. And
1:36:35
Speaker 1: it's okay. The moment everybody gets that ship out of
1:36:38
Speaker 1: their mind, he's gonna be fine. Who gives a fuck,
1:36:43
Speaker 1: DeMar don't shoot threes? The more we don't give as
1:36:48
Speaker 1: putting it in work right now, But listen to Simmons
1:36:51
Speaker 1: been putting in You're right right. I just think that
1:36:54
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons been putting in work. You don't fool y'all,
1:36:58
Speaker 1: So listen, don't fool y'all all self. For what Ben
1:37:01
Speaker 1: Simmons been out here now, I think he's been the
1:37:02
Speaker 1: best defensive player of the last three or four years.
1:37:04
Speaker 1: Fuck the defense, bro. Offensively is a bit of a
1:37:07
Speaker 1: liability though, no, he's not. He just doesn't shoot the three.
1:37:12
Speaker 1: He was if he was six foot two, y'all would
1:37:16
Speaker 1: not care that he can't shoot if he was six two.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: Because he's six 's eight and he lights skin. Y'all
1:37:26
Speaker 1: got an issue with this man not shooting. Are you
1:37:28
Speaker 1: saying he looks like a tall Steph Curry? Yes, that's
1:37:32
Speaker 1: precisely what I'm saying. That's literally what I'm telling y'all. Bro. Literally,
1:37:38
Speaker 1: if this dude was just dark skin, I don't think
1:37:41
Speaker 1: we would care. But he is supposed to technically, he's
1:37:43
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to shoot the three. And if
1:37:46
Speaker 1: I was a coach, I would not give a fuck
1:37:48
Speaker 1: if this boy shooting three. I can't believe he got
1:37:50
Speaker 1: this far without shooting three. I wish I could have
1:37:53
Speaker 1: got that far without shooting the three. Bro, I wish
1:37:56
Speaker 1: to death that coaches never turned me to three and D.
1:37:58
Speaker 1: I hate shooting threes. I've always hated it, never liked it.
1:38:02
Speaker 1: Felt like it was soft, made me look soft, made
1:38:04
Speaker 1: me feel soft. I didn't feel tough when I had
1:38:06
Speaker 1: to shoot hell of three's and people was like, why
1:38:08
Speaker 1: you you got to go back to that mode. I'm like, bro,
1:38:10
Speaker 1: they took the ball from me. I stand in the corner.
1:38:12
Speaker 1: I feel light skinned. I feel like the sun is
1:38:14
Speaker 1: not hitting me at all. Like that's how I felt,
1:38:17
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I feel like I'm losing
1:38:18
Speaker 1: my superpowers standing over here. It's just not the same.
1:38:21
Speaker 1: And I feel like if the Lakers take on being Simmons,
1:38:24
Speaker 1: it's like, shuddy, if you let that man run point
1:38:27
Speaker 1: he pushing that tempo all game. Now you got him
1:38:31
Speaker 1: and Braun going back and forth, both of them point forwards.
1:38:33
Speaker 1: You changing the game. That's twin Towers at the PG.
1:38:37
Speaker 1: We've never seen that. Yeah. I just think I think
1:38:41
Speaker 1: AD's gotta I don't know, and then you got a d. Yeah,
1:38:45
Speaker 1: give me two shooters and let's go hoop. Yeah, what
1:38:49
Speaker 1: the fuck is? What the fuck is the other side
1:38:52
Speaker 1: gonna do? I just need the question, But yeah, I
1:38:54
Speaker 1: would pull the trigger on that. No disrespect and then
1:38:56
Speaker 1: you'd sign yourself to be no disrespect. God, you know
1:38:59
Speaker 1: how you down which you sure go to war with
1:39:02
Speaker 1: you against you or whatever. Man, there's no disrespect to you.
1:39:05
Speaker 1: But if I'm being a GM boy, I'm getting that
1:39:08
Speaker 1: ring kid a couple of quick ones. The most frustrating
1:39:12
Speaker 1: player you ever had to guard, James Harden. He learned
1:39:18
Speaker 1: how to bend that rule book loophole. God, the best
1:39:21
Speaker 1: I've ever seen it done. The best I've ever seen
1:39:24
Speaker 1: it done. He's like an old white man for taxes. Yeah,
1:39:31
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the both out of it. He's gonna
1:39:33
Speaker 1: get you heres return. You're gonna think you have to
1:39:35
Speaker 1: spend one hundred grand in taxes out the window. He's
1:39:38
Speaker 1: gonna get your back. That's hell right there. But he,
1:39:42
Speaker 1: James Is, he figured out a way to like and
1:39:47
Speaker 1: for everything that you got on him, he figures out
1:39:50
Speaker 1: the loophole by next year, like that one foot shot
1:39:53
Speaker 1: just became from people. You just start picking up his
1:39:55
Speaker 1: footwork too good, and he came with a one foot
1:39:57
Speaker 1: three yeah, And people thought it was the joke during
1:40:00
Speaker 1: the summer, and it was not a joke. He started
1:40:03
Speaker 1: shooting it in the game. It's unbelievable somebody got the
1:40:06
Speaker 1: balls to shoot a one foot float or three. Yeah, No,
1:40:09
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Off a step back, what about someone who
1:40:13
Speaker 1: you feel like you had your biggest personal rival on
1:40:16
Speaker 1: the court, somebody who you know, maybe there was a
1:40:18
Speaker 1: little personal tension where you know, maybe you guys went
1:40:21
Speaker 1: to war so much that it kind of felt like,
1:40:23
Speaker 1: you know, there was there was like some serious energy
1:40:26
Speaker 1: at a certain point in your career whenever you would
1:40:27
Speaker 1: step on the court with someone. Hmmm. I ain't never
1:40:38
Speaker 1: really had nobody go like really bad blood with me.
1:40:42
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a time. Wasn't there a
1:40:43
Speaker 1: time you got in trouble for trying to go into
1:40:45
Speaker 1: the locker room to fight somebody after the game. Oh, Nurkics, Nurkics, Yeah,
1:40:50
Speaker 1: that's he was doing the NBA talk And I wasn't.
1:40:55
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to get the on the court tech.
1:40:57
Speaker 1: But it was like it was just we end up
1:40:59
Speaker 1: having a conversation afterwards. I believe I forgot who who
1:41:05
Speaker 1: set it up for us, but I ended up talking
1:41:07
Speaker 1: to him. But I think the next time we played
1:41:09
Speaker 1: or some shit squashed it. But it was a I
1:41:14
Speaker 1: felt like some of the shit he was doing. And
1:41:16
Speaker 1: one of the things he said it was like, Bro,
1:41:17
Speaker 1: there's a slow mode replay, like you realize my daughter,
1:41:21
Speaker 1: somebody on the street might really think this is how
1:41:23
Speaker 1: this go, like they might think they really, Finnah get
1:41:27
Speaker 1: this off. And I'm letting you know, bro, we don't
1:41:29
Speaker 1: get that off. Like I told him when I was
1:41:32
Speaker 1: coming to the locker room. I told him on the court,
1:41:34
Speaker 1: and I think everybody thought because we won, I just
1:41:36
Speaker 1: was like gonna let it go. And I took off
1:41:39
Speaker 1: and went through the back. And you know what's crazy
1:41:42
Speaker 1: is they made it a big thing. Like I walked
1:41:45
Speaker 1: over there and people was like holding me back and
1:41:47
Speaker 1: all this other bullshit and it wasn't, bro, Like I
1:41:50
Speaker 1: knew how to get there through this. I went through
1:41:52
Speaker 1: the back, locker room everything to where I just popped
1:41:55
Speaker 1: up and I'm at his locker room, gee, and I'm
1:41:57
Speaker 1: like come out, come out here and have a conversation
1:41:59
Speaker 1: with me. G Really, I don't even know if I
1:42:01
Speaker 1: was gonna fight him or not. Yeah, we gotta have
1:42:04
Speaker 1: a talk, bro, cause y'all just this NBA shit is
1:42:07
Speaker 1: to y'all going too far, bro. And I don't know.
1:42:10
Speaker 1: I don't know where we at, Like you can't tell
1:42:13
Speaker 1: me it's on deck like that, and then I get
1:42:16
Speaker 1: out the uber and you're right there, bro, because once
1:42:18
Speaker 1: it's on deck, it's on deck. So it's like, I'm
1:42:20
Speaker 1: not you know what I'm saying, Like I don't know
1:42:22
Speaker 1: how to do that. Every time somebody told me it's
1:42:24
Speaker 1: on sight, it was really on site. That's real shit.
1:42:27
Speaker 1: And I'm fighting for you know what I'm saying, I'm
1:42:29
Speaker 1: not really just it ain't no the teacher gonna break
1:42:32
Speaker 1: it up, fight, you know what I'm saying. It's like
1:42:34
Speaker 1: I donet been in a fight that took two minutes
1:42:36
Speaker 1: long like you have been to fight. Take two minutes, bro,
1:42:38
Speaker 1: It's the longest shit in the world. Two minutes is
1:42:40
Speaker 1: a long fight, a long street. You fighting. If you're
1:42:43
Speaker 1: fighting for twenty seconds, it feels but ain't nobody helping?
1:42:49
Speaker 1: It's like if ain't nobody help, ain't nobody here? To
1:42:51
Speaker 1: break you two minutes a very long fight. So that's
1:42:53
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking more like that, Like, bro,
1:42:56
Speaker 1: if we pop out in a club, what I'm supposed
1:42:58
Speaker 1: to just act like we're cool now, Like after you
1:43:00
Speaker 1: say some shit like that, like you do some shit
1:43:03
Speaker 1: like that. Like he's he was just like too, I
1:43:07
Speaker 1: don't know, it was too, like whatever, deal with it.
1:43:09
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, ain't no, deal with it? Like, ain't no.
1:43:12
Speaker 1: And then he's like saying a different language and through
1:43:15
Speaker 1: a couple of you know, through a couple of American
1:43:18
Speaker 1: curse words at me. I'm sweaty. I ain't going for that.
1:43:20
Speaker 1: I don't like it. That's all I ran back there.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: But I ain't never had nobody that I'm like looking
1:43:24
Speaker 1: for in the league, Like I've never had nothing like that.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: I just think he just took it a little too
1:43:30
Speaker 1: far when he shouldered me. Who do you think is
1:43:32
Speaker 1: the most underrated player that you ever share the court
1:43:36
Speaker 1: within the NBA? Just someone who doesn't get enough love,
1:43:39
Speaker 1: enough flowers for how good they are or what they
1:43:43
Speaker 1: bring to the game. J Smith Jr. Jr. Smith, I
1:43:54
Speaker 1: think uh. At one point I even told j he
1:44:00
Speaker 1: was like he was talking to me like, I'm like, bro,
1:44:03
Speaker 1: I don't know who you think I am. Bro, but
1:44:05
Speaker 1: I used to play with you in the video games,
1:44:07
Speaker 1: Oh for sure on two K with with the Nuggets
1:44:09
Speaker 1: and with the Hornets like he was. At one point though,
1:44:12
Speaker 1: it was like, but that's what I mean about the league.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: Like I remember when he was on the Nuggets he
1:44:17
Speaker 1: was having like like I think he had a fifty
1:44:19
Speaker 1: point game. Yeah, like he he's like I said, he
1:44:23
Speaker 1: when Jerr is hot, it's automatic. But it was like,
1:44:27
Speaker 1: because so many people put him into that category of
1:44:30
Speaker 1: like he's got to be hot, he's streaky, he's he's
1:44:33
Speaker 1: got behavior problem. It's like, Bro, he was eighteen, y'all
1:44:36
Speaker 1: put him in the league and gave him some money.
1:44:39
Speaker 1: He's gonna make like he had to grow up in
1:44:41
Speaker 1: front of everybody. I'm like, Bro, that sucks, and now
1:44:44
Speaker 1: y'all putting him in a weird role. Y'all talking about
1:44:47
Speaker 1: my dog. Like at one point, jay'all was talking to me,
1:44:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, you are j R. Smith. I don't
1:44:52
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you're talking about right now? You're JR. Smith.
1:44:56
Speaker 1: Don't forget that. Yeah, Like, I don't know what you
1:44:59
Speaker 1: want right now. I used to play video games with you,
1:45:01
Speaker 1: fam like not shoulder to shoulder, motherfucker. Like I'm going
1:45:05
Speaker 1: on the fantasy draft to make sure I got JR.
1:45:07
Speaker 1: Smith on my roster. Like, you not gonna talk to
1:45:11
Speaker 1: me like that, Bro, you gonna talk to me like
1:45:12
Speaker 1: you JR. Smith. I think you're gonna teach me shit
1:45:15
Speaker 1: that JR. Smith should be teaching me, and you gonna
1:45:17
Speaker 1: walk first, like you know what I'm saying. Like that's
1:45:19
Speaker 1: how I felt about Jr. Because it's like bro y'all.
1:45:22
Speaker 1: Like even when on that team, it was like people
1:45:23
Speaker 1: didn't understand I'm still twenty twenty one year old. That
1:45:27
Speaker 1: was like I went from being at Druig Detect, lockout hitting,
1:45:31
Speaker 1: I'm at Chicago. I'm really I mean in Chicago just
1:45:33
Speaker 1: kicking it. I got the homies, we I got ready
1:45:36
Speaker 1: for the for the league. Shit literally just playing with
1:45:38
Speaker 1: my homies every day. We just playing ball in the gym.
1:45:41
Speaker 1: We're doing our own sprint drills. Yeah. I wasn't paying
1:45:44
Speaker 1: a train or nothing. It was just going for blood,
1:45:46
Speaker 1: playing ball every day with them talking shit. So it
1:45:48
Speaker 1: was like, Bro, I went from that to Mello's my teammate.
1:45:52
Speaker 1: Amari's my teammate, Tyson, Baron Davis, Mike Bibbie. I'm looking around, like, motherfucker,
1:46:00
Speaker 1: my baby was on that team. Treon Smith, you just
1:46:03
Speaker 1: came from China to play on my team. Like, I'm
1:46:06
Speaker 1: like this, they don't bro, I'm throwing them. I'm like,
1:46:09
Speaker 1: I th I throw this ship to Jay All today.
1:46:11
Speaker 1: So he caught that backwards. I just I think Jr.
1:46:16
Speaker 1: Like is underappreciated, But I also think like, oh no,
1:46:18
Speaker 1: he's still everybody's favorite. I just think people love him, yeah,
1:46:21
Speaker 1: for sure, but underappreciated and undervalued as a player. He
1:46:26
Speaker 1: should have never touched in a hundred million dollar contract.
1:46:29
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like, we're not gonna sit here
1:46:32
Speaker 1: and like it's just other players that got paid just
1:46:36
Speaker 1: because they were a good guy. And I didn't like that.
1:46:39
Speaker 1: There were some players that got guys. What was that
1:46:41
Speaker 1: one weird year where everyone got paid that shouldn't have
1:46:43
Speaker 1: got paid. It's just timing of the negotiation. It was
1:46:47
Speaker 1: the year, the lockout year. The lockout year happened. We
1:46:49
Speaker 1: had to put that new uh CBA in place. The
1:46:52
Speaker 1: name of that dude that got paid that when it
1:46:54
Speaker 1: was on the Lakers llewell. Dan got paid, but he
1:46:56
Speaker 1: actually was solid. But there was the white dude that
1:47:00
Speaker 1: got super paid who ended up It wasn't Mons, it
1:47:04
Speaker 1: wasn't Yeah, it was moscof He didn't get super paid
1:47:08
Speaker 1: for no reason. Though Mai was serving chips. He had
1:47:12
Speaker 1: a great finals. They didn't use him after that. Yeah,
1:47:15
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it did make him
1:47:17
Speaker 1: the next year. It probably did look like he wasn't ship. Yeah,
1:47:20
Speaker 1: but he had a great finals. If not used properly,
1:47:22
Speaker 1: everybody in the league looks like ship. Okay, what about this?
1:47:26
Speaker 1: What would you Is there anything that you would say
1:47:30
Speaker 1: you like your biggest regret about your career, biggest regret?
1:47:40
Speaker 1: That was one point that uh. They was bringing me
1:47:45
Speaker 1: into office with the Knicks and Mike Woodson was basically
1:47:52
Speaker 1: telling me, I need you to play two guard, like
1:47:56
Speaker 1: I need you to for what this team needs to
1:47:59
Speaker 1: be and no disrespect to Raymond Felton, who at the
1:48:02
Speaker 1: time was running the ball club. For me to grow
1:48:07
Speaker 1: into what I felt like I was gonna become, Like
1:48:10
Speaker 1: I always felt like like I wanted to be Jason Kidd,
1:48:13
Speaker 1: but I always felt like I was Penny. I'm like,
1:48:15
Speaker 1: I'm Penny Hardaway like I'm the big point guard that
1:48:19
Speaker 1: is gonna do funck shit that looks like a two
1:48:21
Speaker 1: guard at times. But I just don't want to play
1:48:23
Speaker 1: two guard. I'd much rather play point and y'all go
1:48:26
Speaker 1: get me somebody that wants to shoot it every time.
1:48:28
Speaker 1: But I don't want like somebody that's like trying to
1:48:31
Speaker 1: figure it out like I wanted an asshole. I want
1:48:34
Speaker 1: a complete dickhead at too. Like right, like, people didn't
1:48:37
Speaker 1: understand why I loved Buddy Hill so much and why
1:48:40
Speaker 1: he played so well when I was there, Buddy healed.
1:48:44
Speaker 1: Is what I'm talking about when I say a complete asshole,
1:48:46
Speaker 1: and not an asshole with how he takes direction or
1:48:49
Speaker 1: anything like that, but an asshole in a regard that
1:48:52
Speaker 1: I could look you in the eye, Buddy and say,
1:48:55
Speaker 1: do not shoot this shot. I don't care how open
1:48:58
Speaker 1: it is. Don't shoot this shot. When I throw it
1:49:02
Speaker 1: to him. If a motherfucker ain't in his face all
1:49:05
Speaker 1: over him, he's shooting it because no amount of pressure,
1:49:11
Speaker 1: no side bet, it ain't nothing that could go on
1:49:15
Speaker 1: in his mind that make him feel like he's about
1:49:17
Speaker 1: to miss this shot. He is completely invested in saying
1:49:21
Speaker 1: I've never missed a shot in my life, and I
1:49:24
Speaker 1: love it because you need a motherfucker like that. That's
1:49:26
Speaker 1: a superpower to be able to shoot an airball, shoot
1:49:29
Speaker 1: it off the glass, and then come down to shoot
1:49:30
Speaker 1: all unbelievable while everybody figure out what they gonna do
1:49:35
Speaker 1: and they see, oh, why are you shooting that? Everybody
1:49:39
Speaker 1: got everything to say, you come down and get that.
1:49:42
Speaker 1: He's shooting four out of four every time I throw
1:49:44
Speaker 1: it to him. It was like I wanted that, and
1:49:46
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Penny, and I had that moment
1:49:48
Speaker 1: in that locker room with Woody. I could have just
1:49:52
Speaker 1: I feel like I should have just tore up the
1:49:54
Speaker 1: locker room when I got traded. I watched Mellow tear
1:49:57
Speaker 1: up the locker room, just throw chair and do all
1:50:00
Speaker 1: the fun shit, and I was like, that's what I
1:50:03
Speaker 1: should have did, and I should have said, trade me, wow,
1:50:07
Speaker 1: trade me, because I'm not playing too. I play point.
1:50:11
Speaker 1: This is how I play. This is how you get
1:50:12
Speaker 1: the most out of me, Like if you take me
1:50:14
Speaker 1: out of that, and I never did this other shit
1:50:16
Speaker 1: before I become something else. And in my mind I
1:50:20
Speaker 1: was trying to hope, like I was just gonna growing
1:50:22
Speaker 1: too this player that you know what I'm saying, Like,
1:50:25
Speaker 1: maybe I play point guard at the end of the
1:50:27
Speaker 1: game now, but I start off playing two guard and
1:50:29
Speaker 1: then I'm averaging more like maybe it could work out.
1:50:31
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like dive into it. And it just
1:50:34
Speaker 1: felt like, all right, Bro, y'all just switched me to
1:50:35
Speaker 1: a three and D guy and now I just got
1:50:37
Speaker 1: less responsibility. But you had a great career. I mean, listen,
1:50:39
Speaker 1: you had a great career for sure, but you asked
1:50:41
Speaker 1: me what I will regret now. I regret doing that
1:50:43
Speaker 1: because I felt a different path. I just wanted to
1:50:46
Speaker 1: play point guard, Bro, Like, even though we won a championship,
1:50:49
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. That's not how I
1:50:50
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. Last thing Jordan of Lebron, who's
1:50:55
Speaker 1: the goat? Jordan? Yeah, okay, like brou you by doll.
1:51:02
Speaker 1: You know this though? Bro argue this about this? Though
1:51:05
Speaker 1: he take that just he like is he conscientious about that? Show? Laughs?
1:51:08
Speaker 1: Is that ship? Bro? Because I feel like he is
1:51:10
Speaker 1: getting the conversation. Why the fuck? I mean, I feel
1:51:13
Speaker 1: like he is the conversations getting compared to Michael Jordan
1:51:16
Speaker 1: though we having real life arguments in barbershops about who's
1:51:19
Speaker 1: better between him and Mike. Let me ask you, this
1:51:22
Speaker 1: go get bad for he don't get mad Bron. That's
1:51:24
Speaker 1: what I'm saying about Broun. That's raw as fuck to
1:51:26
Speaker 1: me because me personally, I would be like, Mike gotta
1:51:29
Speaker 1: play me one on one, funk all that we're streaming
1:51:32
Speaker 1: this ship right because because for real, for real, I
1:51:35
Speaker 1: low key think Mike so competitive, Bro, Mike could come
1:51:38
Speaker 1: out of retirement right now to play and do it
1:51:40
Speaker 1: one hell yeah and take an L. Calm down, they
1:51:44
Speaker 1: take a serious L. You gotta call you. You ain't
1:51:47
Speaker 1: seen Mike who for the while, I don't need to
1:51:49
Speaker 1: see it right now Lebron versus right now? Do you
1:51:53
Speaker 1: know how Mike Jordan? You ain't never seen it? Though
1:51:55
Speaker 1: you've never seen Mike. Just you seen Michael Jordan person. No,
1:51:58
Speaker 1: you've never seen him just sitting down and just get
1:52:00
Speaker 1: up in his street clothes. No, I've heard about it
1:52:02
Speaker 1: though he does it all the time, bro, And every
1:52:05
Speaker 1: time you think like this thig can't dunk no one.
1:52:07
Speaker 1: But don't you think Lebron has had the level of
1:52:10
Speaker 1: competition has been a lot more insane for Lebron. Are
1:52:13
Speaker 1: you being serious right now? Very much? So, you're being
1:52:18
Speaker 1: dead serious. Bro. Okay, you're being dead serious right now.
1:52:22
Speaker 1: Do you know what Michael Jordan had to deal with? Bro?
1:52:26
Speaker 1: We can go over his finals opponents and go over
1:52:29
Speaker 1: Lebron's finals opponents, and you tell me who had the
1:52:31
Speaker 1: tougher teams. You tell me who lost. Okay, that's fair.
1:52:36
Speaker 1: But he also played the Trailblazers. He played what was
1:52:43
Speaker 1: wrong with the Trailblazer I mean they have they have
1:52:48
Speaker 1: a super team. Lebron had to play. It's a dick
1:52:51
Speaker 1: sucking statement. Lebron had to Jesus Christ, this is only
1:52:55
Speaker 1: a statement that will retired to Emon Shuffer could make
1:52:59
Speaker 1: love this saying we're talking ball. So listen. So Lebron
1:53:02
Speaker 1: had to go through and and O five. He had
1:53:05
Speaker 1: to play peak or was it O seven? Rather was
1:53:09
Speaker 1: seven five? He went to the finals against the Spurs.
1:53:11
Speaker 1: He's been quite a few times. Well, the first time
1:53:13
Speaker 1: he went against the Spurs. That was the first kind
1:53:16
Speaker 1: of incarnation of the Spurs dynasty before Kawhi. Right, So
1:53:21
Speaker 1: that's like peak, Manu. So you think Mike and Scotty
1:53:24
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna blow that out? We'd have beat the Spurs
1:53:26
Speaker 1: for zero and send them the fuck home. I don't know, man,
1:53:29
Speaker 1: We just shook pop hand like a great guy. Pop.
1:53:33
Speaker 1: The Jazz took the Bulls. I think I think y'all
1:53:37
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers would have swept the Jazz for we're not
1:53:40
Speaker 1: talking about the Cavaliers. The Bulls didn't sweep the Jazz.
1:53:44
Speaker 1: It was it was. It was a serious series. We
1:53:46
Speaker 1: got Lebron James. We could match up with the Jazz.
1:53:50
Speaker 1: I could get over a screen. We could deal with Johns.
1:53:53
Speaker 1: He that he played a Thunder team with Kevin Durant,
1:53:56
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and James Harden in the finals. We could
1:54:00
Speaker 1: have matched up with that with the Bulls. Maam, think
1:54:03
Speaker 1: about it. I got Ron Harp of six six. Who
1:54:07
Speaker 1: was gonna guard Mike on that Thunder team? It wasn't
1:54:11
Speaker 1: gonna be KD. He don't want to do it. Who
1:54:14
Speaker 1: was gonna guard Mike? What I'm saying, who was gonna
1:54:17
Speaker 1: guard him? So you think that because Scotty p was
1:54:19
Speaker 1: gonna guard you think they Scotty Pe was gonna guard KD.
1:54:22
Speaker 1: Mike was defensive team. He was gonna take Russ, who
1:54:24
Speaker 1: we gotta deal with James Carden off the bench. Six men. Okay,
1:54:29
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Who's gonna deal with who coach?
1:54:31
Speaker 1: When he come off the bench at six eleven? We
1:54:33
Speaker 1: coming to Partygebaca. So you mean to tell me you
1:54:40
Speaker 1: so cute? You think that's so cute? You think so
1:54:45
Speaker 1: you think the Bulls had tougher competition in the finals.
1:54:48
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't violate the Bulls. Bro. Not compare these
1:54:52
Speaker 1: new teams. None of them bulls Bro. I don't think
1:54:55
Speaker 1: y'all remember how them Bulls played. Listen, I don't think
1:54:58
Speaker 1: y'all remember I watched I. I don't think I got
1:55:02
Speaker 1: to the NBA. I got to the NBA watching these niggas.
1:55:04
Speaker 1: They wasn't playing with these people. They're not finna play
1:55:07
Speaker 1: none of these games, none of them. You don't remember
1:55:10
Speaker 1: when Gary Payton was giving us a hard time? What
1:55:12
Speaker 1: Phiel do? Hey, Scottie? Deal with this man ninety four feet?
1:55:18
Speaker 1: I like how he speaks as as a wei perspective
1:55:21
Speaker 1: with the Bulls. What you mean were not going. We
1:55:24
Speaker 1: never went. We're not having it. Yeah, it's gotta be
1:55:28
Speaker 1: dope to see the Bulls will be good again? Right? Yeah?
1:55:30
Speaker 1: We wrong? We we cold the Seal right now. And
1:55:34
Speaker 1: speaking of we, the Cavaliers are cold again. Mobley's doing
1:55:39
Speaker 1: a great job. Mobley's but that's not we. Oh so okay,
1:55:42
Speaker 1: So once you're not a Cavalier for life, you watch
1:55:45
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers within the sixteen team. I don't know these
1:55:49
Speaker 1: new guys. I feel like I don't go to war
1:55:51
Speaker 1: with them, okay, because I feel like Cleveland will always
1:55:53
Speaker 1: look at you as like when it like, I like Cleveland.
1:55:56
Speaker 1: You said the Calves though, so no, they traded something.
1:55:59
Speaker 1: They traded them. Yeah, twenty sixteen Calves love them. Everybody else?
1:56:04
Speaker 1: Bullshit there it is man, big top bulls guy. Oh man, Hey,
1:56:12
Speaker 1: do you think my sons have a shot out of
1:56:13
Speaker 1: chip this year? The Suns? Yeah? I don't know, man.
1:56:22
Speaker 1: Last year was y'all, y'all it was our chance, right,
1:56:25
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough this year. I mean, we've been
1:56:27
Speaker 1: doing all right. It's not even about y'all doing all right.
1:56:30
Speaker 1: It's about if who's your pick off the top of
1:56:32
Speaker 1: your head right now, who's your pick to be in
1:56:34
Speaker 1: the finals? Two teams la Lakers and Clippers. Gotta ask?
1:56:43
Speaker 1: Obviously it's the Lakers, right, or is it the Clippers.
1:56:48
Speaker 1: Kawhi comes back. Maybe they make something happen. Yeah, the
1:56:52
Speaker 1: Lakes show. And every time people do that to me,
1:56:58
Speaker 1: when they say the Lakers are Clippers, it always throws
1:57:00
Speaker 1: me off. It throws me off too. I just have
1:57:03
Speaker 1: to when you said that, I had to think about
1:57:04
Speaker 1: the Clippers roster for a second just to make sure
1:57:07
Speaker 1: I wasn't completely leaving them out. But no, they're not
1:57:10
Speaker 1: gonna I don't feel like they got It'll be either
1:57:14
Speaker 1: the Lakers and the Bulls or m hm. Maybe I
1:57:27
Speaker 1: just wanted to be the Lakers and the Bulls, but
1:57:28
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. I don't really like a lot of
1:57:34
Speaker 1: teams in the East right now. It ain't that they're
1:57:36
Speaker 1: not good. I just don't like them. Yeah, I don't
1:57:39
Speaker 1: like I mean, I hear. I just don't like you
1:57:41
Speaker 1: to even say that to foreshadow, because everyone, we all
1:57:45
Speaker 1: thought the Nets would have been the team, but it's not.
1:57:48
Speaker 1: That's not the Nests yet. Kyrie Shilling, y'all gotta remember
1:57:52
Speaker 1: that man. Ain't there, Mama, that go that man? That
1:57:56
Speaker 1: man at home? Right now? They always say Kyrie, and
1:57:58
Speaker 1: I think Kyrie to me is like as far as
1:58:01
Speaker 1: like handles and just skill wise is probably top five ever.
1:58:07
Speaker 1: But but sure would you would you put him up there? Yeah?
1:58:11
Speaker 1: I mean who else is up there? It ain't a
1:58:12
Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers up there. I think he's got the
1:58:14
Speaker 1: best handles I've ever seen. But we got who we
1:58:16
Speaker 1: got him, Jamal Crawford. Uh I think. I think when
1:58:27
Speaker 1: I watched when I watched Kyrie play, and it's in
1:58:30
Speaker 1: slow motion and it looks like art. Like when you
1:58:32
Speaker 1: see Kyrie in slow motion in his bag, it's like
1:58:36
Speaker 1: watching art. Dude, it's the craziest show. But it's only
1:58:40
Speaker 1: like a couple of put in there putting that many guys.
1:58:43
Speaker 1: It ain't that many guys with a nasty handle. Like
1:58:46
Speaker 1: everybody just got a handle for what they need to score,
1:58:49
Speaker 1: Like Kyrie got a handle that It's like if you
1:58:51
Speaker 1: need him to dribble out the clock, ain't nobody touching
1:58:54
Speaker 1: that ball. Uh So your project coming out top of
1:58:57
Speaker 1: your hopefully? Yeah, man, this car ain't stolen? Is wife
1:59:01
Speaker 1: he going to be on the project. She's not on
1:59:02
Speaker 1: the project. You know, she's done with music. She's just done.
1:59:05
Speaker 1: She's done with features, done with it all. I can't
1:59:09
Speaker 1: speak for you know what I'm saying, I'm hoping that
1:59:11
Speaker 1: the energy is stays positive and she continues because I
1:59:15
Speaker 1: don't want her to stop, you know what I'm saying,
1:59:16
Speaker 1: But I feel like she's so talented and like somehow
1:59:19
Speaker 1: still hasn't even met her peak yet. But that's the issue.
1:59:22
Speaker 1: That's why she wanted to stop, because it's like whatever
1:59:27
Speaker 1: that wall is, she doesn't understand the wall. And it's like, now,
1:59:31
Speaker 1: if it's going to like hurt her mentally, it's not
1:59:36
Speaker 1: worth dealing with, you know what I'm saying. She's like,
1:59:37
Speaker 1: I've been doing that for so long and it hasn't
1:59:39
Speaker 1: brought me to happiness I need. And before it becomes
1:59:42
Speaker 1: a point where she doesn't love music or to affect
1:59:47
Speaker 1: like you said, if it affects your happiness, and it's
1:59:50
Speaker 1: like a piece some of that is like I want
1:59:52
Speaker 1: to continue to love music, and it becomes now I
1:59:54
Speaker 1: think of music and it's like it becomes work, like
1:59:59
Speaker 1: I got to figure out how to do this or
2:00:01
Speaker 1: how she wants it to be. Like she goes to
2:00:03
Speaker 1: the studio and it just be care free again and
2:00:06
Speaker 1: just making music and singing with a hard and it
2:00:09
Speaker 1: ain't all this thought like you don't want to come
2:00:11
Speaker 1: out in the label already, like yeah, well could you
2:00:13
Speaker 1: think you could say this? And it's like all that.
2:00:16
Speaker 1: After a while, it's like I can't imagine fifteen years
2:00:19
Speaker 1: of somebody keeping me in a box and trying to
2:00:22
Speaker 1: Oh this is hot right now you should follow behind
2:00:24
Speaker 1: this girl. And it's like, dog, like, I just want
2:00:27
Speaker 1: to do my thing and turn my album in y'all,
2:00:30
Speaker 1: put the money behind it, go out to that, let
2:00:31
Speaker 1: me shoot my videos, let me go do my show.
2:00:33
Speaker 1: That's how. And it's like once it's done, once it's
2:00:36
Speaker 1: not that harmony, Like I can understand that for her
2:00:38
Speaker 1: doing it for so long, it's like it got to
2:00:40
Speaker 1: be a headache. So I get it. But I just
2:00:42
Speaker 1: hope that it's so point she comes back because she's incredible.
2:00:46
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I spend that album
2:00:48
Speaker 1: before I go to sleep, you know what I'm saying.
2:00:50
Speaker 1: I'm still a fan, even though I my husband, you
2:00:52
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like I still want
2:00:55
Speaker 1: her to come back. So I don't, you know what
2:00:57
Speaker 1: I'm saying, put too much pressure on anything. We just
2:01:00
Speaker 1: sort of let it happen, let the energy happen. Hope
2:01:02
Speaker 1: she comes back. We'll listen to the album. Hopefully we
2:01:05
Speaker 1: get it soon, y'all can get that. Get that hey,
2:01:08
Speaker 1: hopefully we see you on a basketball court again. Yeah,
2:01:11
Speaker 1: it's very possible. I feel like the Lakers is a
2:01:15
Speaker 1: very very serious candidate to bring him on Trumper back
2:01:18
Speaker 1: to the league. It would make sense. You have so
2:01:20
Speaker 1: many friends on the team. You bring a set of
2:01:22
Speaker 1: skills that they need. I crazy sometimes I'd be feeling
2:01:25
Speaker 1: like I'll be like, man, after a while, they just
2:01:26
Speaker 1: gonna have me sit there and they gonna want me
2:01:28
Speaker 1: to be an announcer of some ship, bro because I'm like,
2:01:31
Speaker 1: motherfucker want to talk about it with me so much?
2:01:33
Speaker 1: I'm like, can I put one thing into the world.
2:01:34
Speaker 1: I'd like to see in the next five years. I
2:01:37
Speaker 1: want to see you and j R. Smith do a
2:01:40
Speaker 1: podcast together. Oh that was gonna happen eventually anyway, not
2:01:44
Speaker 1: an actual like you mean like is Yeah, that'd be
2:01:51
Speaker 1: musty TV. I fel like if you guys were living
2:01:53
Speaker 1: in the same city and you guys could do a
2:01:55
Speaker 1: podcast once a week, once a month, switch, I ain't
2:01:58
Speaker 1: doing shit that is. I'm telling you that is a
2:02:01
Speaker 1: bag that on the Swish. I ain't doing ship. Boy,
2:02:04
Speaker 1: you guys been go tapping with Bill Simmons at the
2:02:06
Speaker 1: Ring or somebody, and they would that is That is
2:02:08
Speaker 1: the podcast, the Emon and the Swish podcast. Will you
2:02:12
Speaker 1: guys just talk ship? What I'm actually doing the podcast?
2:02:17
Speaker 1: My podcast is uh is coming, So that's coming. Yeah,
2:02:21
Speaker 1: it's with me and my brother though, okay, but me
2:02:25
Speaker 1: and my brother is probably uh, that's probably gonna be
2:02:29
Speaker 1: all best look at barbershop talk because my brother is like,
2:02:32
Speaker 1: he's like you, he plays the fan the fan card,
2:02:36
Speaker 1: but he like it's like serious. Oh yeah, it's like, no,
2:02:40
Speaker 1: fuck you. I am extremely invested in sports. I gamble
2:02:44
Speaker 1: every fucking day. I love having the league, but I
2:02:47
Speaker 1: love I do. I gotta say that too, because I
2:02:49
Speaker 1: talked about fans that go out of their way and
2:02:51
Speaker 1: say a lot of ship. But it's like, without these
2:02:54
Speaker 1: fans talking ship and creating the energy, a lot of
2:02:56
Speaker 1: the basketball that we play ain't the same. You need heckless,
2:03:00
Speaker 1: you need it, like it's all part of it. It
2:03:04
Speaker 1: all adds to the energy. It's all good. Like for
2:03:06
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes, hate me, bro, Yeah, for forty eight minutes,
2:03:10
Speaker 1: y'all can hate me say anything. I almost got into
2:03:12
Speaker 1: it last year. I almost fought one of Patrick Beverley's
2:03:16
Speaker 1: friends in Phoenix because I was like down in the
2:03:18
Speaker 1: that's not smart. Well no, I was fucking shit faced
2:03:21
Speaker 1: and this was this was the game. This is the
2:03:23
Speaker 1: game when when Patrick Beverly like cheap shot of the
2:03:26
Speaker 1: ship out of Chris Paul you remember, ohh And I
2:03:29
Speaker 1: was like, fuck Pa Beverly. Oh and I'm fucking like blackout.
2:03:34
Speaker 1: You know, my son's having me good in eleven years.
2:03:36
Speaker 1: So I'm just like excited to be at a Western
2:03:38
Speaker 1: Conference final game and the guy turns right and say, hey,
2:03:42
Speaker 1: that's my bro. Watch your mouth. And I was like,
2:03:46
Speaker 1: mind you. This guy's by himself. I'm in Arizona with
2:03:48
Speaker 1: a bunch of my essay homies. I say, hey, bro,
2:03:53
Speaker 1: you know where the fuck you're out. You're in fucking Phoenix.
2:03:57
Speaker 1: This isn't fucking La or Sugar, wherever the fuck you're from.
2:04:00
Speaker 1: That I was drunk. I was drunk. Thanks God, Dicey,
2:04:07
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But hey, hey, I appreciate you.
2:04:10
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was feeling myself, said I was.
2:04:14
Speaker 1: I went for it. You want a freestyle? Are we
2:04:19
Speaker 1: doing a freestyle, they usually wrap, let's fucking go. Man, Hey,
2:04:23
Speaker 1: I did not know we were doing Yo. This is
2:04:25
Speaker 1: a treat. This is a treat. Let's do this. What
2:04:29
Speaker 1: beat you any beat you want, we'll get. You're talking
2:04:31
Speaker 1: about naz and Easy Essence? Which ence? Are you talking about?
2:04:36
Speaker 1: A whiz kid? Which kid? Okay, well listen, there is
2:04:39
Speaker 1: a nas and Easy record called Essence that was nominated. Yeah.
2:04:43
Speaker 1: Actually I'm gonna go get this two waters before you wrap, perfectly,
2:04:47
Speaker 1: all right,