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Talks to Jason A Miller about his choice of The War Machines (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hello and welcome to. I have some of a blunt penknife
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  the Doctor Who commentary podcast, I am here with my very
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  first return guest. So somebody, I haven't
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  frightened away, and that is my good friend.
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  Jason. Say, hello Jason.
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  Hello, Jason. I am amazed that you invited me
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  back after all the talking over you than I did last time and
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  after all the shade that I threw on Attack of the Cybermen.
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  Oh, I listen to that back. Oh.
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  Did you know, you were kind of the new thing?
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  You know, you'll be surprised when you hear it.
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  We're back for a story that I actually have fun this for.
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  So it should be a whole different vibe.
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  You're getting a new Jason, Their audience.
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  So why don't you tell people what story you've chosen today?
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  I have chosen the war machines by Ian Stewart.
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  Black just for a bit of context. Being an American, I got to
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  watch all the Hartnell episodes and long before they were
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  available on VHS or available for repeating England itself.
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  We got the The Hartnell and troughton and Colin Baker,
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  baggage in late 1985 in the state.
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  So, the first time that I would have seen the war machines,
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  would have been on a Sunday night probably around November
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  or December 1985. And I was bored too.
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  I can understand. I don't like watching black and
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  white TV in 1985. My kids were in 1985 the war.
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  Machines was 19 years old, if you think a 12 year old today
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  and have them watch friends. Friends is older.
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  Now than war machines was a big. Wow, gosh that is astonishing
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  essentially. Yeah.
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  Yeah, like if you if you showed A fifteen-year-old now like 52.
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  Who's 15 years old? Isn't it the new series?
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  Oh, that's right. That's right.
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  That this is the year. The 60th anniversary is coming
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  up. That's a stone God.
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  I feel so old. I was old when it came back so
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  I'm very old now, but as someone who was born in the early 70s,
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  there were had a black and white TV in my room and black and
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  white movies were still, in Fairly heavy rotation.
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  So I understood the language of black and white and it wasn't
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  the monochrome that bored me. Plus, I loved a lot of the
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  earlier Hartnell episodes in the you talking about the chase.
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  Gunfighters. This is all tremendously
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  entertaining stuff and you're spoiled Suburban.
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  Twelve-year-old oh I love that 12 years old, you love to chase.
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  It was a special episode exactly what we sound like.
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  Yeah, it's a lot more deals right in front of me right now,
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  southern accent, the tour guide at the thick.
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  Oh yeah, that's right. Okay, he was putting that one.
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  Right. That's not real.
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  That is pretty darn close. I mean obviously it's
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  over-the-top and comic and he's pausing going a lot.
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  But know, when I was younger and I had a thicker accent, those
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  pretty close to what I sounded like is little spice to be
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  Texan. Martindale was supposed to be
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  from Alabama. How about I said, you all's in a
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  Chase of, man. It's just, that's right.
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  So we get to the war machines, and by the time you get to the
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  episode 3 material, you have all these soldiers, innovating the
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  warehouse and interminable sequence, I fell asleep.
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  And then a few years later, it was on again.
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  And I fell asleep. The second time then I said, of
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  all the Hartnell episodes that are available of the syndication
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  package of the u.s. that was 17 cereals.
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  And I probably had war machines as dead last even below the
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  sensor arrays which has its own charm.
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  Wow, Doctor Who archives and you search for me and war machines.
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  I don't think I would have said very many nice things but in
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  2013, which was the last time that I tried to do the
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  pilgrimage, when I watched it in sequence, one episode of night,
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  instead of 40 time, it jumped out of the screen.
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  And I grabbed me and I realized this is groundbreaking.
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  This is special and it's not great, it's not perfect.
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  It is not my number one Hartnell maybe number seven or eight, but
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  it's really, really good when see the context of this time and
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  that's why this is the first Black and White episode
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  featured. Woo!
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  I guess fantastic. Well I'm queued up and ready to
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  go. If you are I am ready.
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  Hey kid. A'ight, so let's Press Play in
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  five. Four, three, two.
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  Let's go. Okay.
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  I love these opening credits where you point the camera at
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  the TV and it gives you the holler out affect the.
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  Yeah, I still feel one of the girls that's where I got it from
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  the fact that, you know, that thank you so much because nobody
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  else has so far to thank you. War match.
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  Eyes, o, war machines. So there's a couple of stories
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  here, isn't it? Where they do these kind of us?
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  Usual credits that will detect planets.
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  Are you watch this? Watch this, you're on top of
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  London. You got the zoom on the film
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  camera. Now, all of a sudden you're
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  going to get this crash, zoom out of the park Doctor Who was
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  not doing shots like this, they when the Tardis lands pigeons
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  fly away. Yeah, it's incredible.
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  And it kind of like sets the tone because the direction
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  throughout is this side, it's just that the Beating Heart of
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  Doctor Who in the 1960s was radically.
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  Young filmmakers and then 20s. And Michael Ferguson was
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  definitely radicals. What else did he do?
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  He was hungry. This is terrific to look at
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  what. Others.
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  Don't a story City direct. He did see some pictures of
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  death. One of my other favorites face
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  of death ambassadors of death. I think he did say the death as
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  well. That was Douglas can't feel.
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  I thought yourself or did The Invasion.
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  He did The Invasion, I'm sorry. Sorry.
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  You're, right. I was thinking Siege of Doom,
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  right? Oh yeah.
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  There's lots of seed stories, you know, and hardened looks
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  terrific in this costume and even better in a minute.
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  When you see him stocking up on film, I don't think there's any
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  sign of him losing his way in this story, a few lines, but I
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  think he's, as confident as he ever was in war machines.
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  Look at his spoon reaction here to get that in a minute where he
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  starts getting Goosebumps the post office tower back when it
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  was new technology. That's a great pan, up my slope.
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  And you have the doctor senses, something alien about that
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  power. He can sense it or sense it.
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  Yeah. There's a Goosebumps.
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  Very expensive. He had a similar sensation when
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  he met who, of the Daleks? Yeah.
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  This story takes place on the same day as you do.
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  You think he mentioned on Twitter than you?
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  It's three stories. I'll take place on the same day.
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  Yeah, I remember now this is a great job.
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  What's the camera turns around He was terrific.
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  I need to ask you about dodo. Oh, I love Jackie Lane.
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  She was getting a raw deal. Yeah, she really was.
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  I mean, I think she was supposed to be playing young, wasn't she?
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  But she's clearly not young cousin, they made her drop her
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  accent and then the new producer came in and he fired her just
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  right after she started. So she never really had a chance
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  to develop an ongoing character. Hopefully, through the story.
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  I mean, has any other companion at such an ignoble end?
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  Melancholy came close to Shaw. Never even got an exit.
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  Oh yeah, every time I suppose, right?
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  Also never got an exit. Oh, I love this fellow
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  Professor, Brett. I like his little bow tie, I
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  can't little question around W on until you know that it's both
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  on. I got a question for you.
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  So the doctor in another lovely child was hiding out in 60s
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  Earth. Yeah but he write his name seems
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  to carry some weight like he's established himself in the 60s.
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  Have you read the novelization? Also by Ian Stewart black not to
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  my knowledge? No I don't think I have.
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  There's an extended sequence. The novelization where he had do
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  to go to a cafe and he writes the Ian Chesterton, who is now a
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  famous scientist and opens all the doors that gets his meeting.
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  Okay? Okay.
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  That's here's our introduction to Polly.
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  Look at that. If you didn't fall in love with
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  Anika Wills, just from that Wrinkle in her nose.
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  I can't help. You know that, I have to tell
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  you something, you may not like I'm not the biggest poly fan.
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  You watch her stories all the way through which I have
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  recently done to my pilgrimage. She is cheerful.
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  She is funny. She has great comic timing
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  again, ringing consistently, but she was always doing a great job
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  week in and week out. It's, you know, it's tough.
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  Like I don't like, it's like the stuff in the Highlanders where
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  she comes across as a bit of a, like a upper-class preak when
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  she's dealing with Kirsty. She's arrogant quite a lot of
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  the time. That's a brief part of the
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  Highlanders, but then she spends the rest of the episode
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  tormenting, that stuck-up British officer and running.
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  So was his name algae Algernon. Now, this is very naive because
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  they show the computer is powerful because it can
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  calculate the square root of a five digit number.
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  That was the height of computing in 1910, it is old computer and
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  it looks like it's extraordinary.
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  Look at the backdrop as well in the set like that really looks
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  like they are at the top of the BT Tower.
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  There must have been a photographing blob of the studio
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  that you're right. It's really good.
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  Really sells it. I feel like I feel like there is
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  definitely a weird that we're at the end of the season here on
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  way, this is the end of Series 3.
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  This was the Blast story of the production block was Smugglers.
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  But this was the last broadcast story to those one.
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  More. Throw a man and a woman.
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  So this is where we establish that vote on is telepathic
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  because it can read those mind until what the word part of
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  stands for. And now, those got under.
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  Yeah, she has a small, but it's Blank Stare.
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  I have a theory about people that I've been a Hypno acting.
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  It always brings out the worst in every actor, you know?
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  But everyone doesn't look differently and I'll point that
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  out a little bit later. I love the feather, they've
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  given William harder. What is technobabble?
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  He must have been reading it going.
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  Oh, I really gotta say all this. That was not his strong suit, he
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  was doing the historical comedy, but yeah.
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  Oh, screw this. She's not in the store is very
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  long issue, Kitty. Episode 1 episode 2 and then she
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  has a forward cameo in the macro Terror or the same actress.
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  Same actress. She's the actress who quit the
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  macro Terror in between episodes, 1 and 4 and add to
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  recast of episode 4. True story.
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  You know, this is where I think Polly works really well die.
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  When it's when it's Polly and Ben, I think they've got such
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  antastic chemistry. She's doing some pretty serious
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  flirting here. Oh yes.
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  I'm gonna have to say something hugely shallow, but then
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  Jackson. That's, that's my pick as the
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  hottest, Dogs. New companion.
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  Together are magical. Is that when you think like
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  before, what do we have do do. And Stephen is very different,
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  isn't it? I'm a huge fan of Stephen, he's
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  done. Which is the cereal right before
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  this. I was expected to go into the
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  war machines, missing him, but with Polly and then I didn't
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  know time I got over here. This is just so not Doctor.
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  Who the time is it feels really fresh?
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  See, then there's any handle himself in a fight.
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  A fight in a nightclub. I think I had to do the fall
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  right on the heart Studio floor. It must have been a nice stuff.
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  Do you see that really again, psychedelic pattern on the
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  floor. Hold on, my potatoes.
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  You want to dress? Do you like better?
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  Paul? He's okay, so he's certainly not
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  dodos. We go hard on location and
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  become far more common, once he left See, that's a good that's
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  great because for a second there.
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  Sorry. Go up.
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  You're having a little bit of mmm.
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  There's Cape Kennedy and the White House link to vote on.
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  This would have been the Lyndon Johnson Administration.
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  It's like the it's like the first internet isn't it?
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  President Johnson hypnotized by vote on.
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  Sorry. It's like, what is like, they're
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  there. It's like the Internet, isn't
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  it? I know the internet was in
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  Concepcion at this point. Yeah, home computers length,
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  there was our bad American accent, the episode, this fella
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  in the bow tie. Isn't he supposed to be David?
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  Bishop wrote a book called who killed Kennedy and I swear that
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  is supposed to be him the main character from that book.
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  That's the proper word or do is give him a venereal disease and
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  then shot in the head, right? Yeah, that's the one.
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  So I got a whole book out of this one.
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  Guy's corny, American accent, that's pretty impressive.
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  Well, David Bishop, he put him in lots of different
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  contemporary stories. So I think he's like one of the
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  reporters in spearhead from space.
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  He's the guy that phone is the Brigadier in the silurians,
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  where he picks up the phone and goes the daily W.
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  Sorry. All right, right?
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  It's quite cleverly. Dumb.
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  I'm just going in and examining the model.
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  He's already figured out that something bad is going on.
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  So he's essentially like it's a template for Pertwee, isn't it?
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  He's essentially like the Scientific Advisor in this
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  story. And there's even a cabinet
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  minister introduced later on. Yes, very perfectly move.
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  Now, later on, in this story, one thing that really struck me
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  was that Russell T Davies thing of having the the horror told
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  through a news report I was like okay so the war machines got
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  there first we can't give Rusty Davis credit for that.
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  No, there's quite a bit of that and a silly before, actually.
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  The like the whole hypnosis thing that was very mid-60s.
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  Wasn't that if you look at all those sort of spy shows, at the
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  time, they were all doing that kind of Sleeper Agent.
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  Hypnosis But here, of course, has the computer doing it rather
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  than a Sinister foreign power. It's a bit of a Twist on the
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  concept. Do they ever give a reason as to
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  why wotan wants to take over humanity and we just inefficient
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  I think the novelization goes to it a little more.
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  What is this bizarre music playing?
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  The DVD subtitles actually tell you what the track is, but I
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  like these swirling Twilight Zone, A special effect that are
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  superimposed over his head and I kind of Hitler music dude.
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  That it's a ghost. And now he's gone.
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  So okay, I have a question for you, at the end of this episode,
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  votan says Doctor Who is required.
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  So do the rise of. But does that mean his name is
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  Doctor Who Subtitles over this episode.
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  The production notes, I'm pretty sure they did it.
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  That was his name because it turns up starting in the
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  gunfighters he turns up again and again all the way through
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  the Highlanders where he introduces himself as Doctor Who
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  in German. Oh dr.
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  Vaughn were is it? Yeah, right of any size of self,
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  dr. W with underwater medicine.
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  Okay, we're going to pause the tape.
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  Okay. Tell me when I'm ready.
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  Any second now. Not quite this moment.
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  But coming up a whole little bit.
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  Now I'm post he's got his hot arm outstretched.
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  This has to be one of the greatest individual seeing
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  compositions in Doctor Who, which is why I am hijacking,
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  your fine podcast, stop the tape.
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  Okay, so if you are listening to this in the car, Or while you're
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  running, if you're not in front of the TV, this is about 15
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  minutes and 30 seconds in the way that Ferguson stages.
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  This shot in the foreground, you have the professor and Krypton.
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  And what's his name? Sir.
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  Charles in the background, dominating the center of the
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  scene is William Hartnell and he's looking at them and he
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  knows exactly what is going on. You can just tell This one
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  composition him standing there in the middle of the scene.
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  Yeah it is it is incredible. In fact this sort of skill in
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  composing a scene would have been very useful in the 80s
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  where they tended to have people just standing in a line in Long
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  Shot, various was very fourth wall acting, but this is
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  phenomenal. Yeah, it's back is to the
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  camera. They are rehearsing in a church
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  Hall without set. For most of the week.
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  So how Ferguson was able to line this up?
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  They only had maybe one day on the actual sense.
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  I mean, this is probably one of my favorite individual screen
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  grabs of the Hartnell here. I have a lot of the whole show.
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  Just this one still photo. You can get the entire plot just
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  from the one still photo. Jason even pulls episodes at any
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  point you want if you are going to make awesome observations
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  like that, maybe when I come back with you on the golf
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  course. I'll pause it several times.
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  Oh Jesus. Okay.
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  5 4, 3, 2. Let's go.
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  And her nose is staring at the camera and you knows what's
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  going on. And no one else is paying
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  attention, except for that one guy in the background with a
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  camera. I I just, I just can't see like,
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  like Harborview seen stuff like this Fierce intelligence in this
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  one. It is about as far from, you
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  know, the kind of daughtery doctor being written out of
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  repute. As you can get.
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  I think the two things that everybody knows about heart
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  knows that he was a terrible racist and that he couldn't
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  remember his lines, but I don't think either one of those things
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  is actually true. So he is best remembered for is
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  a completely. A erroneous caricature.
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  I mean, if there is an element of truth, I think that probably
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  exaggerated sit and to be honest like you, listen to interviews.
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  It's people like Annika Wills, the kind of stress those points.
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  And most of the bad stories about him, come from, Donald
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  Tosh would be the script editor, who was one of the first people
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  to try and get heart all the shows.
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  And then of course when Anakin met him, he was at the end of
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  his time on the series. You just been fired.
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  He was probably not in a very good mood.
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  I think he was, I think he officially announced his
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  resignation while they were filming The Story.
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  So for have, this is the moment that he's being forced out of
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  his show. But if you listen to him cheese,
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  with William Russell with Maureen O'Brien, you know, they
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  say, He get into a temper and things like that, but then he
• 24:43
  was really Charming. He really cared for them.
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  He was really generous. Hey Mark Gatiss docudrama, the
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  adventure in space and time really gets into it.
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  You see him he's got this dream job, be surrounded by friends
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  and then all his friends go away and his dream job turns to dust
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  and it puts him in a terrible mood but then we can all relate
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  to that any one of us who's had a great job as just turned bad
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  and hurry. Yeah.
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  So another major is doing his hypnotise, dang thing.
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  That's where I was. So he's now in funding.
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  The Inferno Club is Ali to hypnotize dodo.
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  All right, that's right. I love data which is like, yes,
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  yes, I have my instructions. If she's what And all these kids
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  dancing in the background, they don't realize there's an
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  invasion of London under way. It is it is really kind of going
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  for that swing. He's kind of swinging, 60s,
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  hipness, though, isn't it? But this was, this was me in
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  1966. It's just literally The Swinging
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  sixties. They're filming.
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  This hasn't happened. This is more of a documentary
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  than Austin Powers. Type ironic retrospective but
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  you do most say the dogs who came to the party little bit
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  late. Wouldn't you?
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  But they could have been doing that in 63 They wanted to do an
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  exploration show so they never envisioned wanted being home
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  base so far for the first few minutes of the first episode
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  they would have went back to the setting.
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  It's funny how things turn out come home really And that's
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  basically where we ended up, wasn't it?
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  Yeah, but the 70s was the episode.
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  So it attention to what Krypton is doing.
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  Here it is a small part and it's a thankless part.
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  But for this one seen this guy who looks really striking with
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  the red beard, he's going to give the performance of his
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  life. Any minute now.
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  Do you remember all the calls him?
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  acting is incredible Professor breast as mankind has reached a
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  standstill. So that's your explanation for
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  It's all 455 before its time. Well, for me, all right.
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  P Doctor Who begins with the very second episode, when the
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  doctor get involved in the political debate between cavemen
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  So the show is just completely losing its mind at this point,
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  but these can come in and Instability.
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  And they last together from several cereals, which was
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  unprecedented. I mean, could you imagine that
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  cereal before this one was a different set of companions.
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  this though it is. It is I mean Michael Ferguson
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  the W leading into the credits. That's awesome.
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  I love when I pay with a credit like that.
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  I see, I don't remember the end of episode 2.
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  I do remember the end of episode three with the doctor.
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  this story. Hi.
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  hangar 22 is Ben Jackson in Jeopardy, but that's a spoiler.
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  fifty, four and a half years and you're listening to this
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  podcast, tough luck, okay?