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Tim Chaffey: Watch What You Watch, Prevent Soul Pollution · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Brothers and sisters, thank you so much for tuning in.
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  I'm so blessed to have this brother back with us who was one of the speakers at our World
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  View Matters Conference in Green Bay, was it a month or a month ago, my goodness, times
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  flying, redeemed the time, Mr. Tim Chafee.
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  He is an author and also the content manager of the Attractions Division of Answers
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  and Genesis.
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  He oversees the development of content for the exhibits, the Ark Encounter, the Creation
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  Museum.
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  He also writes articles for the Answers and Genesis website and gives presentations at the
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  Ark Encounter and Creation Museum.
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  He's also a regular co-host on Answers News, as well as a producer and co-host of the
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  award-winning movie analysis show Tilt Shift.
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  It's on Answers TV and a brand new book is out that you guys need to get.
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  It is called Watch What You Watch, understanding the world views and philosophies in modern
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  movies, and that's what we're going to be talking about today with author Tim Chafee.
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  Good to see you brother.
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  David, great to see you as always.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's not to believe you.
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  It's been already a little over a month since that conference, but it was a great time.
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  I enjoyed being there, meeting everybody, and I always enjoyed being back home, so it's
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  great to see family too.
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  It was great to have you, and we're planning one for next year.
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  Feedback has been through the roof positive.
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  I was so encouraged.
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  But I want to let everybody know, if you want to get all the sessions of the speakers,
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  we now have the individual sessions, not just a massive video of the live stream.
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  We have individual videos up at the YouTube channel for World View Matters, David Fiorazo.
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  Look under the playlist.
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  World View Matters, 2026 conference.
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  Tim's is up there.
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  I've shared that on my website, on my social media, all the sessions that are there.
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  I still have a couple more I need to share.
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  But look up the sessions.
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  His was phenomenal.
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  They were all so good, but so Tim, again, thank you.
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  It was great to have you here and glad it worked out while you were in town.
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  But about this book, Hollywood has been at it for a long time with their, not just influencing
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  young people and people in general against the biblical world view, but now I think we
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  can safely say there's a hostility toward biblical world view and Christianity and that
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  comes out in TV, it comes out in movies.
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  So go ahead.
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  I mean, your wife was also one of the authors on this book, right?
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  Didn't Casey help you with this one?
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  So tell us why you write all kinds of theological issues, all kinds of different topics you talk
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  about.
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  But why did you decide to go down this road for this book?
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  So actually, it's interesting, my wife, she and I met in a movie theater back in the
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  mid 90s.
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  Oh, goodness.
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  I didn't know.
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  Rochester, Minnesota, I was a manager of a movie theater and she would come in.
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  I won't tell the whole story, but she felt for me and that's awesome.
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  Yeah.
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  And so movies have always been a big part of our relationship, you know, from the beginning.
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  And it's continued that way all the way through, you know, we've been married almost 30 years
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  now at the end of this year.
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  And so a lot of our relationship has included watching movies together.
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  Obviously, we have certain standards of what we will and won't watch.
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  But one thing that we wanted to make sure that we do, and we've been doing this for, you
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  know, a couple of decades now, is we actually just, we don't just watch to be entertained.
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  We, even though there are times where it's entertaining, but we want to make sure we understand
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  that we're discerning what messages are being promoted and whether good or bad, because
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  it's a lot of times what Christians will do is they take one of two approaches and
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  they do this with a lot of topics, but with movies, it's thou shalt not ever.
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  You know, all these are wrong.
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  They're bad because Hollywood, evil and don't ever spend any of your dimes there at all
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  no matter what.
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  Or, hey, all things are lawful for me, I'm going to watch whatever I want to watch.
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  But as with other areas of life, we have to show discernment.
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  We do have liberty in Christ to watch those things, but that doesn't mean that we should
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  be watching those things.
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  We should be looking for the things that edify and build up and that are honorable and true
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  and noble.
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  But we also know that our culture is inundated with movies.
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  You know, I'm just going to read a couple of lines from the back cover.
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  Sure.
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  The top four lines.
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  May the force be with you.
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  As you wish, you sound that pass.
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  You're a wizard Harry.
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  I'll bet most people hearing those words heard those words in the voices of the characters
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  who said those in the movies because those things stick with us.
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  Movies are, they're powerful in television as well.
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  Music can do the same thing.
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  You know, you hear a song that you hadn't heard since you were a kid riding the bus, you
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  know, 30 years ago and suddenly you, the lyrics are right there again.
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  You remember where you were when you heard that.
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  And so those things have, they are very powerful tools of communication and they can be used
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  for good and they can be used for very evil purposes as well.
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  Yes.
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  I do want to mention just what I thought about it.
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  I was thinking, well, what can people watch this?
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  It's clean and family friendly and positive and glorifying to God and would actually edify
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  a family.
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  And I thought there's a couple new channels or new networks that are out now.
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  I know there's pure flicks and there's other things.
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  But on television, there's the great American family channel is one positive.
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  I think it's positive without the E on the end, positive networks.
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  There's a lot of things, places where you can get movies.
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  But I saw as you wish, I'm thinking, man, the princess bride, that's such a classic.
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  But in the 90s, you said you met Casey in the 90s and you guys, you were working at
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  the theater.
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  It seems to me, if I remember right, that was a decade that movies got really ubersexual.
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  I mean, really, they took a turn to see, I mean, they're pressing the limits of censorship
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  and I was talking to you before we got on the air about the television, the FCC and their
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  lack of regulation.
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  How are movies regulated in the theaters or what Hollywood puts out to movie theaters in
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  the rating system?
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  Isn't that just bizarre?
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  Some of these things that you're thinking, that cannot be PG-13, you know?
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  You know, it's interesting because my wife and I, we've, in about five to ten years ago,
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  started watching a lot of classic oldies, I'm going to call them that and I mean, earlier
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  than 1975, earlier than me, 1973, earlier than that.
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  And there was some stuff that was pretty risky even in those that we were really surprised
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  at some of the things because we always think about it being like the good oldies or that
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  this with a lot more wholesome and, and to a degree, that's true, but the, you know,
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  sin's still abounded in the 50s and the 60s and especially in the 60s and in the 70s.
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  And so what we want to do is like a different approach with, you mentioned the show Tilt Shift.
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  Well, that's what this book came out of that show.
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  My wife and I, we had been watching a, a couple of movie analysis shows on YouTube and,
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  you know, the certain individuals would have a pretty interesting approach to how they're
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  watching these movies.
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  And I thought, one of the, what we talked about, she'll say she thought of it, I think
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  I did.
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  But she's probably right.
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  One of the great to have a biblical worldview analysis of the movies, you know, people are
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  watching these things.
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  Why not have something that's available to show people, look, here is what's being promoted
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  in these films.
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  Here's this messaging that's going on.
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  Here's something that they're doing really well and, you know, be able to pick those
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  out because a lot of people just turn their, you know, they check their brains at the
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  door when or when TV on and we really shouldn't do that.
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  And so we got the idea for the show and thought who else would be a good co-host.
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  And so we contacted Brian Osborne, one of our speakers, a good friend of mine and it took
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  off from there.
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  And so we've had a, we've had four seasons of it now where we do eight episodes each season
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  and the last two we've actually had a bonus Christmas episode.
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  So we've had what 30 and a live episode as well.
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  So we've got like 35 episodes that we've done received a great response.
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  We've had a few, a couple of negatives like, I can't believe you're not telling people
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  to not watch this movie and intro says this isn't your typical movie review.
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  So we're not telling you whether you should or shouldn't watch the film to review and
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  we're not endorsing the, you know, the characters in those movies either.
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  But we're trying to get you to, you know, think from a biblical perspective about these
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  things, to shift your thinking to a line with the word of God.
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  And so a good example of that and when the show came out four years ago, something that
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  had just come out on streaming was a movie called Free Guy with Ryan Reynolds.
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  That's right.
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  And I'm not endorsing the whole movie or anything like that.
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  There's some, a lot of crude, crude humor, it's PG 13.
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  But the whole point of the movie, if there's a couple of analogies in there that are so perfect
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  for us.
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  One, he's this video game character who doesn't have any parts or any lines or anything.
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  And he just, you know, it's like a grand theft auto type thing where he, he's a, he worked
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  at a bank and it's being robbed all the time by all the players who are coming in.
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  Well, the players actually have sunglasses on the non players like him don't.
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  And one day he, well, he starts to question something and he ends up picking up a pair
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  of these sunglasses and something he sees everything differently.
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  He sees what the players are seeing.
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  He sees that there's more to this quote, unquote, reality, I know it's a video game.
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  But and it's that perfect analogy for us as far as world views.
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  When you have on the right set of lenses, you see things completely differently than if
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  you have the wrong set of lenses.
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  And we want people to have a biblical world view.
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  So there was a really good analogy there.
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  But the whole movie, the premise of the movie is that this video game was once, it was
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  designed by the creator of the video game to be this perfect, you know, paradise world
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  that you can walk around and just enjoy thing.
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  There's not, it's not a shoot him up.
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  It's not all this violence like so many video games.
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  And then a big tech company took it over and turned it into this, this thing where it's
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  full of all the blood and guts and violence and everything.
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  And the, the way to fix that was that the creator of the video game put himself in the
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  game to lead the people back to this perfect world.
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  And when you see this perfect world at the end, you've got people walking around with
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  dinosaurs and it's like, this is, it's so close to the biblical message as far as like
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  the story arc itself and the plot and everything.
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  But obviously there's all sorts of garbage that goes along with it.
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  And so if you're familiar with that movie or if your, your neighbor's watch it, can you,
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  can you use that to help explain the gospel to them and help them maybe understand it
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  in a way that they wouldn't have got it before?
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  And so that's one of the things we're doing with the show.
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  Well, we'll call out when there's, in that movie, there's some good examples.
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  There's a scene where the, the guy who has made the video game is kind of complaining
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  about how it's taken over and the other guy says, well, it sounds like a whole bunch
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  of white privilege to me or something like that.
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  So it's just assumed white privilege is the thing.
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  And there's just a bunch of little one liners like that that are kind of throw away lines.
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  But the more you hear it, the more it becomes reality, the more you think that, oh, this
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  must be true.
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  You know, global warming is thrown into so many things, it must be true.
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  Interesting.
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  So there's a lot of those little things too, but, but there's time for they to do something
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  really well.
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  And we should acknowledge that.
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  Well, it leads me to my question about that in the table of contents.
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  First of all, the chapter titles, just the first five world views, postmodernism,
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  wokeness, blurring lines, toxic feminism, evolution, but let's go back to world views, Tim.
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  And what are some ways that entertainment subtly communicates world view ideas without
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  directly stating them, because they put it in there subtly oftentimes.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Well, think about a biblical view of marriage and, you know, sect within marriage.
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  It's made for one man, one woman for life, right?
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  But how is it usually portrayed in movies, over 90% of the time that sect is either depicted
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  or hinted at in movies, it's between the unmarried couples and it's infuted that it's
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  perfectly acceptable.
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  You have, you know, little kid, anybody using crude language with a lot of little kids using
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  foul language and just so many different things.
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  The Harry Potter movies are good examples of movies that have some really good qualities,
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  showing courage and sacrifice and loyalty and friendship, but some really good virtues,
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  but also there's, there's situational ethic, you know, Harry can sneak out at night.
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  Why?
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  Because he can break the rules at the school because he's the good guy and he, he, you
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  know, he, the ends justify the means in a sense when you have that sort of morality.
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  And so it's, whether or not they're not coming around and saying that, but that is what
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  they're depicting.
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  And so that shows that that part of it's not coming from a biblical perspective where
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  it's, I know it's wrong because you're not supposed to be doing this.
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  So it's interesting not to mention witchcraft and that's very subtle as well and that really
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  took off in the 90s and we actually saw an explosion of the kids experimenting and dabbling
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  with casting spells and things.
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  So movies are so, so influential.
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  You started out by talking about when we were kids and the movies we watched and you remember
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  music and movies both, you remember songs and you remember movies from when you're
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  going up and they're very, very influential.
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  So you say each of these themes they're given their own chapter and in each chapter you
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  give several examples from Hollywood and explain that's very helpful I think for people
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  to go to connect the dots because we see movies we don't even really put our biblical lens
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  on or our glasses are discerning glasses on and sometimes it helps people to point stuff
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  out.
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  I think you know who did a good job of that years ago on the radio was plugged in, plugged
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  in online.
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  They do the movie reviews without saying don't watch this or go see this one but they just
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  said here's how much profanity, here's how many sexual scenes and so I think that was
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  very helpful.
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  So go ahead and share whatever you'd like.
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  Yeah, I was going to say that's one of the reasons why on the show we start off the way
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  we do it because there's we actually say several other websites do that already.
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  So like plugged in and some other ones they're telling you here's how many times they say
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  this bad word, here's how many scenes and we're like well we're not going to do all that.
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  We're going to tell you it's PG 13 and here's why you know give the local the the warning
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  about it.
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  And then if you want to find out all the bad stuff you go and you know read something like
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  unplugged in but our goal is to help you look at the philosophy that the world views.
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  Yeah, so you mentioned a toxic feminism there's that has been huge in our in the movies
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  for the last really about last 10 years since the that horror horrendous ghost busters 2016
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  the one with all female cast came out so terrible and they're going to bunch of others
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  like the newer Charlie angels movies that was came out a few years we didn't episode
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  where we compared woke women versus strong women.
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  And if you look at the characteristics of the woke women there are they're so unlike
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  well look they're so they're supposed to be so perfect they know everything already
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  they're better than everybody every single thing they don't have to train for anything
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  because they already know everything and they're so unrealistic as people because nobody
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  would you can't relate to that because we're all broke and we all make mistakes.
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  And yet the the strong women are the ones who are willing to work with men.
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  They don't have to denigrate when men like the the woke women do they can display femininity
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  they can be vulnerable they can they can they can stumble and fall and then get back up
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  and that shows true character and true strength whereas the other ones are just it's this for
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  whatever reason that Hollywood has been pushing this ideal for you know strong independent
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  woman and yet they're completely unlikable and and I think that's by design I think
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  they're doing what they can to destroy the family and what men should be and what women
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  should be and so I think that's what we're seeing in a lot of these roles.
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  So Tim I'm going back and just looking at some research briefly briefly because I mentioned
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  the FCC and the parents television council on TV but movies explain if you can how the
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  rating system how does it I mean some of this stuff is offensive and it's a PG 13 and
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  you're thinking I don't understand how that's allowed you know what I mean yeah go ahead
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  yeah so back in it wasn't until like 1980 I think 85 it might have been the end of 84 but
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  I think it was late 85 or early 85 when the institute PG 13 before that you had rated
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  G and that was supposed to be like general audience everybody it's okay but even in some
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  of the rated G movies you would have some things that are not really appropriate and then
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  you had PG and before 1985 PG could have a whole bunch of stuff that today we were looking
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  at that's definitely PG 13 or maybe maybe because PG 16 like it's almost very large and so PG 13
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  helped to separate some of the things but still I say PG stands for profoundly guaranteed because
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  you're going to have you're still going to have some rough language in there yeah you you're
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  not going to you probably want to have newly you're not going to have like graphic violence
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  necessarily but you can have some of that stuff in PG 13 and of course regular is kind of a
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  free-for-all and then NC 17 is you know even even worse and so most Hollywood movies they
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  aim for PG 13 nowadays because those are the ones that draw the biggest crowds that's the
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  biggest blockbusters are generally PG 13 and because you don't want it so family friendly
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  in tame that known none of the teenagers they're going to want to see it because that's not cool
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  and you don't want it very large where you can't get the teenagers in there because they're too young
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  and so they shoot for that PG 13 but yet those are some of the most I mean the family friendly
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  movies are some of the most popular and successful movies of the box office but Hollywood just
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  doesn't seem to get it actually I don't think they want to right no and there's a there's a really
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  good example of this the movie Galaxy Quest which if you're familiar with that it's like a Star Trek
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  spoof and it beloved film I mean it was made late 90s I was supposed to compete with Harry Potter
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  because I was coming out at the same time and when they filmed that they filmed it to be PG 13
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  or maybe even are the language is very rough in the original but the studio wanted it to be PG
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  because they wanted something to compete with that family movie and they so they toned it down
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  and the actors actresses were upset about it but it is so much better as a result you know there's
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  a scene where you can still see the person's mouth is saying the wrong word that's not what comes
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  out in the audio and it's very clear but but people so many people will watch that with their kids
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  now because it is a relatively again relatively clean movie compared to some of the other stuff out
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  there and it's very funny it's well made it's got a lot of a lot of virtuous things in it in fact we
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  feature that in one of the chapters on identity and we we talk about that in that chapter but that's
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  they don't learn you know like look that movie people love it because it was something they could
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  watch with their kids and they have that memory now those kids are old enough to have their own
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  kids and they're showing that whereas if it was something that was like the actors wanted it
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  wanted to caught on like it did so when they ask you this I know it's a worldview issue I can
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  we talk about worldview all day there's a Zogby poll that came out in 2006 and it says a large
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  majority 84% of adults stated they are not offended by references to God or the Bible
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  on TV or in movies but yet Hollywood just seems to push the envelope the other way and take God's
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  name as vain and vain and they do not put out that kind of content that families would have approved
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  of and this was in 2006 times we're in 2026 now so isn't that interesting that it is a worldview
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  issue because even though some of the good movies would sell Hollywood says no we're going to make
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  this one yeah I think that's interesting I think that another way you see it is that I can't
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  ever think you know I've worked in the theater for two years and I've watched movies for a long time
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  I've talked to people and I can't remember somebody saying I wish there was more swearing in that movie
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  exactly but I've heard the opposite a lot you know and yet they still put them there and
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  but what so much of what it comes down to is these you know the director or the producer or the
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  studio has a worldview and they yeah they're gonna push it it's one of the reasons why
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  you know with Christian films a lot of times they get a bad rap because they force and I'm not
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  I'm not trying to judge them for this but the gospel gets forced into it so it's not good storytelling
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  it doesn't come through truly and so they just kind of tack it on there and I understand why
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  they're doing it look if I raised two million dollars to make you know this is my a labor of love
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  and I finally get the chance to to share this message of course I want to have the gospel and so
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  I understand exactly why they're doing it but I think we need to do a better job of
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  just if I can say storytelling so that we write it in a way that it actually comes through
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  clearly and it fits and then you make a you make a good film you're telling a good story with
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  the best message that you can share and it's the same thing when you see movies forcing ideas in
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  where they don't belong and we we get turned off by that even when it's you know messaging from
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  the other side so yeah it it's just think that it's very clear that in the last two
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  days the last eight years or so where Hollywood said hey in order to be considered for an Oscar you
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  have to have X number of minorities you have to have all of these different you know boxes that you
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  check yeah and I haven't seen it yet but based on what it looks like the new Odyssey movie
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  you know by Christopher Nolan looks like that's exactly what they're doing you know just checking
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  back and it looks like it's going to be terrible as a result but like maybe maybe I'm wrong but
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  yeah side side issue does it seem like Hollywood sometimes is running out of ideas because
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  it always trying to remake something or bring an old cast back or something but I need to mention
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  the websites where this is available guys before run out of time watch what you watch can be found
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  at answers in genesis.org under the store and also it is on Amazon it just came out you know
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  within a month or so a month and a half watch what you watch is on Amazon so look that up
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  by Tim and Casey and also Brian Osborne so I want to we've got vermin to three minutes already Tim
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  sorry about that I want to just talk about the end of your book who am I why movies resonate I think
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  we already touched on that watch what you watch and behind the scenes whatever you'd like to share
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  in the last couple minutes sir yeah so the behind the scenes and the gag reel is sort of like
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  you know fans of the show would appreciate it because it goes into talking about some of the
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  the gaps that we've made and things it's the show is light harder we have a lot of fun but we're
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  also still serious on what we're we're presenting so you know it really reflects both our
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  personality so I wanted the book to have that vibe as well but the the identity thing or the why
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  they resonate you know if you think about some of these themes that can be portrayed really really
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  well in in movies um sacrifices a big one you see you know you think about characters who are
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  willing to lay down their life for a friend she just said creator has no my greater love had no
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  man in the nest that he would be willing to give his life for his friend well you see that sometimes
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  portrayed movies really really well you see redemption in fact we have we crave to see a redemption
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  arc where a character has flawed or they've done something terrible we want to see them you know
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  repent of that and and be made whole and there's time to remove these to do that really well
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  courage and how about underdogs who doesn't love an underdog somebody who is downtroddened like Rocky
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  you know he had no business being in there but he just refuses to quit and he and that's what we
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  want right it's inspiring I don't know about you but as an athlete if I see the rocking training
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  training montage you know as soon as the music hit I got to go work out yeah I'm in while you're
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  and I have to go do it and um it's it's just that's the so movies can do things in a in a really
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  positive way they can portray godly values even if they don't know that they're doing it because
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  these directors and reveals they're made in God's image and God has put eternity in their hearts
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  it's there and sometimes it comes through it comes through when they don't realize it
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  all that to say they're a lot of junk and so there are a lot of bad messages too and so I'm
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  I'm not endorsing any of these movies and you got to go watch them um I will
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  make sure I don't endorse one movie and that is the last Jedi which is the worst movie ever made
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  and what was the last Jedi the Star Wars episode eight which that's the theme of the post-modern
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  chapter I think that that movie should be called post-modernism 101 that's if you want to know
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  what post-modernism is that's the movie tear down every single thing that has come before they
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  even say it multiple times you know kill the past or let the past die kill it if you have to
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  over it it's subvert every single expectation and and do the exact opposite of what should be done
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  it it's it's a perfect example of what post-modernism is now Tim I'm glad you wrote this book
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  we really need to be discerning as the body of Christ entertainment is such a huge issue and
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  Christians need to watch what they watch again friends you can go to answers and Genesis
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  under store or on Amazon brother went by so fast thanks for your time we'll do it again soon
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  that sounds great thanks David good to see you again god bless you friends and as always
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter