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Weaving Threads of Tradition | Samuel Beautysta on Zapotec Weaving, Symbols, and Ancestral Story revisited · The Observatory | Discovery of Consciousness & Awareness

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Observatory podcast.
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  Speaker 2: With your hosts Scott and Loray Wright.
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  Speaker 1: Join us each week as we explore living life from
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  Speaker 1: the inside out. Welcome back to the Observatory podcast. Ray
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  Speaker 1: and I are sitting down with our good friend Samuel
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  Speaker 1: Bautista Lazo today and he is a from the weaving
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  Speaker 1: culture of Wahaka and I met him some time ago.
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  Speaker 1: We've walked the path together a bit and had lots
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  Speaker 1: of deep conversations, and we're going to explore some really
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  Speaker 1: cool things about weaving symbolism, spirituality, the day of the Dead,
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  Speaker 1: love and how that's the connector between the two worlds.
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  Speaker 1: And he talks about some beautiful indigenous cultural symbolism that
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  Speaker 1: it's really good stuff. So just sit back, relax and
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  Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation. Conversation some will Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: Observatory Podcast. Ray and I are sitting here in the observatory.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we call this room, the observation. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: it's all open windows. Behind me. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you can see behind me, there's a well, well I'm
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  Speaker 1: not talking to them, I'm talking to you. I got
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  Speaker 1: my TP in the backyard somewhere, but I want to
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  Speaker 1: introduce you somewhere. He's he's been a friend of mine
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  Speaker 1: for a number of years now. And you I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know how you say, is it laz Air Bautiste?
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  Speaker 1: How do you say?
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  Speaker 3: It's Bautista Lasso?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Bautista Lasso. There we go. But we'll you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll put notes in and all all of how to
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  Speaker 1: contact you and who you are and where you are
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  Speaker 1: and all the good stuff. Because we met at a
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  Speaker 1: gathering and he's joining us from from sorry, from Waha come.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and he comes from a very long line of weavers. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so we we had a beautiful experience with him visiting Wahoka.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're going down abit him. And we had
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful experience with him in Wahoka where you not
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  Speaker 2: only took us to your home and showed us the
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  Speaker 2: weaving and allowed us to try and weave, and then
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  Speaker 2: we were able to purchase rugs from you, but you
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  Speaker 2: also were our personal tour guide for an entire week
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  Speaker 2: while we were visited Wahaka, and it was absolutely fabulous.
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  Speaker 1: I've been so excited to have you on. We've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to get this put together for a while, so
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  Speaker 1: welcome Samuel.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much, my friends. Yeah, it's so
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  Speaker 3: nice to be on your podcast. So nice to you know,
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  Speaker 3: take some time off from our busy days and have
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  Speaker 3: a good chat here and yeah, meet your audience. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have also those good memory is you know, of
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  Speaker 3: our trip to a Hakka because you know, even for me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's always good to be out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and be in the mountains, being the sacred site and
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  Speaker 3: and share that with people, you know, And we've had
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  Speaker 3: such a great week that you have to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and we will definitely we Now I'll go into
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit about how we connected. So we
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  Speaker 1: we went. There's a gathering community here, uh, primitive skills
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  Speaker 1: gathering community here, and you I think you were invited
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  Speaker 1: probably by Dave to come right by Dave Westcott.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Dave Wescott. Well I reached out to him
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  Speaker 3: because friends of friends, you know, they were like, that's
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  Speaker 3: where it all started. You should go there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And this gathering community is a group of people
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  Speaker 1: and they're really all over the country. They're they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of under the radar, and there's some of them are
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  Speaker 1: kind of survivalists and preppers, but others are just just
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  Speaker 1: really deeply connected bunch of people that love the earth
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  Speaker 1: and a bunch of hippies and you know, a wide
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  Speaker 1: variety of different people from walks of life. And you
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  Speaker 1: showed up there to teach about the traditions of the
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  Speaker 1: rug weaving culture around Wahaka where that came from, teach
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  Speaker 1: all of the details about the dyes everything's made naturally
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  Speaker 1: because you are from that tradition. I mean, your family
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  Speaker 1: is still actually doing it in the old ways exactly
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  Speaker 1: as it was done, creating the dyes, doing all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, which we got to witness. It was super cool.
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  Speaker 2: And the symbols that are in the rugs, it was
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  Speaker 2: just the storytelling that is in the rugs is just
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were these are like our books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When we went after the gathering where we were that
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  Speaker 1: for that week, you and I got to take a
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  Speaker 1: side trip, just the two of us, to go down
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  Speaker 1: to an event down in Boulder, Utah. And so we
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  Speaker 1: spent more time together after that, and we got to
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  Speaker 1: travel out to those hoodoos and do some photogography, if
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  Speaker 1: you remember, just a bunch of fun stuff. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you remember when we were at the
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of the farmer's market. One day we
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  Speaker 1: went there and you took your rugs to kind of
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  Speaker 1: show them to people, and you were explaining the symbols
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  Speaker 1: like Gray's talking yes and what they all meant, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, the symbol of the fist and the spiral
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  Speaker 1: and all of this stuff that was in the weaving that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stuff I'd never noticed. I saw the patterns,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this is cool, this is beautiful. But
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  Speaker 1: maybe that'd be a good place to start about your
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  Speaker 1: culture where you come from and some of those traditions
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  Speaker 1: and symbols.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks, thanks, that's a good recamp. And for me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when people ask me when did you start weaving,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any exact answer because I kind of
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  Speaker 3: was born into it. So I just say, like when
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  Speaker 3: I was in my mother's womb.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I love that answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because literally, you know, that's how it happens for
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  Speaker 3: most of our community here. And then when I was
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  Speaker 3: a baby. When I was born, my dad would carry
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  Speaker 3: me on you know, one of those backpacks for babies
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  Speaker 3: while he was weaving on the big loom.
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  Speaker 1: The whole time you were back there watching.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, except I was like yeah, watching and learning by
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  Speaker 3: seeing at school and so so I used to have
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  Speaker 3: a dream when I when I was a toddler that
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  Speaker 3: I was attached to the loom through my umbilical cord
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  Speaker 3: as I would fall into infinity on the other side
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  Speaker 3: of the loom, and I watched my dad's face disappear.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like arician dream that you know, it
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  Speaker 3: came out. It came up to me again when I
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  Speaker 3: did my first Yeah, yeah, I was cat ceremony. It
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  Speaker 3: took me right back to that dream, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: if I was a continuation of my parents, you know
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  Speaker 3: weaving and uh so, yeah, in a way, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we we we were raised playing on like the back
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  Speaker 3: frame of a chair to weave, you know, like little
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  Speaker 3: bracelets and little things to play around with the red
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's kind of how we were raised, you know, weaving.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, well that's so beautiful. And where tell us a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about your family, Like are you the oldest
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  Speaker 2: and kind of as as you came in kind of
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  Speaker 2: culturally about who you are as a weaver.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so, yeah, I'm the oldest in my family. I
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  Speaker 3: have brothers Arestino and my parents Mario and Leonard, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, they also come from a lineage of weavers.
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  Speaker 3: But here because everybody weaves. Also everybody has like a
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  Speaker 3: side job that you do, either like to supplement your
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  Speaker 3: weaving or if like the tourist season is slow, then
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  Speaker 3: you you always have something to do. So my mom's
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  Speaker 3: parents they were butchers. They were pig butchers and they
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  Speaker 3: would do all the secretary and Letxel meet in the market.
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  Speaker 3: And my dad's side of the family, they they were farmers.
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  Speaker 3: There was planted several plots of land with milpak, corn,
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  Speaker 3: vince and squash and they have a herd of cattle.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, in the eighties they met and
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  Speaker 3: married and had kids and yeah, ever since, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we've i belonged to this community. It's called in Spanish
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  Speaker 3: is called Delvaigi, but the original name is Shiki and
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  Speaker 3: that's Sabotech or language is called Disa, and it's known
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  Speaker 3: as Sabotech because it's the name of the Nawat in
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  Speaker 3: the Nawat language. Now what it was used like the
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  Speaker 3: Latin of its time, like a language that you could
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  Speaker 3: use and train, you know, from the southwest of now
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  Speaker 3: the US all the way to Nicaraua. You the trade
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  Speaker 3: using Nawa, and people say even as far north toop
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  Speaker 3: as Seattle, there is a what do you call it,
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  Speaker 3: like a tocinate word that Seattle could be translated as
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  Speaker 3: sea kat or landing eagle. So people were trading, you know,
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  Speaker 3: across in fact, this whole continent from north to south.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of the continents where humans have been
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  Speaker 3: trading stories, goods, you know, through sea and also land routes.
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  Speaker 3: And we see that in our textiles. You know, our
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  Speaker 3: patterns are shared with the incas in Tawentinsuio in South America,
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  Speaker 3: as far north as Canada. You know, we have similar
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  Speaker 3: symbols and patterns and even some similar stories.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this fascinates me. I just have to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that because every time you start talking about it, I
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  Speaker 1: learned something new. Like the words that you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: translation and all of those things. I just they have
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  Speaker 1: such hidden and deep meanings in them that it's hard
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  Speaker 1: for us, as you know, the colonizers who came here
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  Speaker 1: to have a concept of how long really people work
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  Speaker 1: here and that they were participating in all we think
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  Speaker 1: we brought the industrialization in that there wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: the kind of opportunities for trade and that it was
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  Speaker 1: way different then, obviously, but it was happening everywhere, right.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean it's also for me, it was
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  Speaker 3: like when I was a teenager. You know. First, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were like all looking up to the cool kids
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  Speaker 3: coming back from the US that whose parents you know,
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  Speaker 3: probably emigrated, and like the clothes that wearing, the music
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  Speaker 3: they were listening to. And then you know we were yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, drawn to that Shinese stuff culture and
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  Speaker 3: you know, in that age where you're just finding who
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  Speaker 3: you are and that it's it's always you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: also easy to lose lose sight of what you have
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  Speaker 3: and but yeah, maybe maybe you're gonna ask this, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll just go ahead and drop it. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was actually during a heartbreak when I broke up with
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  Speaker 3: my first girlfriend, you know, that really shattered my heart,
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  Speaker 3: and somehow I went into this space of like asking myself,
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  Speaker 3: who am I? You know, and then why do we
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  Speaker 3: do this? Why? Why?
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  Speaker 1: About? How old were you at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think I was like seventeen, Yeah, around that age.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's how it all started, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how this just looking at wrong history because like you said,
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  Speaker 3: like all of it, a lot of it, you know
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  Speaker 3: still to this day. You know, history is all is
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  Speaker 3: written with an agenda, with you know, a hidden power,
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  Speaker 3: you know, governments, institutions, religions, and they have their own agenda.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's and it's up to us to really
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  Speaker 3: answer those questions for ourselves. Who we are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what's our lineage, what's your stories? What's your life's a journey?
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  Speaker 3: And that's how I started to just ask myself, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and started to read about history and then started to
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  Speaker 3: connect with thoughts between the ancient stories that are still
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  Speaker 3: carried on with the elders.
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  Speaker 4: And just you know, you start to when you read things.
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  Speaker 3: Things don't make sense, and you start to ask yourself,
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  Speaker 3: oh but this and that, and then you just follow
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  Speaker 3: the thread of truth, you know, until you find something
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  Speaker 3: that just makes sense on your world and on your
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  Speaker 3: own perspective and in in your you know, in your tradition.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's that's what I'm here to share too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So because I know that you've you've had a
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  Speaker 2: rather you know, sort of global experience. You haven't always
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  Speaker 2: stayed at home. You did go on a journey. I
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  Speaker 2: think you even had some education here in the States, right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that was in the UK, in the UK my college. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I did a PhD on sustainable manufacturing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell us about when at seventeen you asked
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  Speaker 2: this big question like who am I?
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  Speaker 3: How?
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  Speaker 2: How did that story then unfold? You know where? Where?
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  Speaker 2: And when did it lead you to the UK? And
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  Speaker 2: how did you do that PhD? And why was that meaningful?
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  Speaker 2: Kind of tell us that story?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I went to the obvious route.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Well first, just all before break up, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was hanging out with the bad kids, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: cholos were fitting the walls and wearing pants, and then
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  Speaker 3: I met this.
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  Speaker 2: Girl in baggy pants that's so fairy.
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  Speaker 3: Baggy pants, throwing hand signs and like breakdancing, allergic breakdance.
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  Speaker 3: Then it was you know what kids did.
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  Speaker 2: But then.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted the way to get out of that was
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  Speaker 3: I joined the church. This girl invited me to, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: come to church or like Bible reading group, and it's
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  Speaker 3: called like youthful Christ or something. So I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I saw that that group, that other
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  Speaker 3: group of friends wasn't leading me anywhere good. So I
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  Speaker 3: just made a natural move and I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: out of this, and I went to church and really,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I read like the whole New Testament from
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  Speaker 3: like beginning to end and really devoted myself to that era.
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  Speaker 3: And I had that breakup and then I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is like and I already was questioning also things
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  Speaker 3: in the Bible group. You know, I was always a
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  Speaker 3: little bit curious about things and the critical thinker, and
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  Speaker 3: so after that, I think after that breakup, I just
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  Speaker 3: channel all of that energy, you know, into just diving
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  Speaker 3: deep and trying to see the truth and things. So
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  Speaker 3: I read like philosophy books. I remember reading that and
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  Speaker 3: those books are a tustra that God has died. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, something wrought about this
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  Speaker 3: so strong. It's such a strong title. That led me
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  Speaker 3: to you know, just reading many other books about religion
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  Speaker 3: and philosophy and that, and then I started to ask myself, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: but what about our parents and our symbols and our stories,
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  Speaker 3: like what is our you know, our ancient philosophy, what's
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  Speaker 3: our ancient religion? Because that's been suppressed and race, but
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  Speaker 3: it still lives there. It's just been in some layers
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  Speaker 3: of what we call syncretism, you know, like like the
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  Speaker 3: Day of the Dead that we celebrate, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: has its origin in Presepanic traditions. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of how I started going into that pat
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  Speaker 3: that rabbit hall up.
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  Speaker 2: Truth seeking and that all part of your educ while
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  Speaker 2: you're also getting your education.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that was what while I was getting
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  Speaker 3: my industrial my bachelor's degree in industrial engineering, I remember
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  Speaker 3: reading us sidebooks like the Castella books, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: were like my favorite thing to read on the bus.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah and yeah, it kind of just helped me
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  Speaker 3: navigate you know, those harder you know, younger years of formation,
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  Speaker 3: and it was terring me into into that direction of
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  Speaker 3: of the knowledge, the silent knowledge that our ancestors kept,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in forms of stories or sometimes rituals that
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  Speaker 3: you know they have a deeper meaning to it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and back to your question. Then I just became like
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  Speaker 3: this like hunger. I had this hunger for knowledge, for experience,
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  Speaker 3: for you know, for prancers, and I remember going I
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  Speaker 3: went to every church in my village, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: went to all the variations of Christianity, and then I
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  Speaker 3: went to the Nasticisms. When I was going to Ohaka
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  Speaker 3: City to do my to study my bachelor's degree. I
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  Speaker 3: would like go on weekend, do several talks and learn
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  Speaker 3: about nasticism and other traditions. And yeah, eventually, when I
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  Speaker 3: finished my degree, I wanted to just keep going. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, where does this end? You know? I I
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  Speaker 3: talked to my professors and they suggested that I could
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  Speaker 3: apply for a scholarship to do a PhD because I
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  Speaker 3: had good grades back then. And yeah, I applied and
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  Speaker 3: I ended up in England studying sustainable manufacturing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and is this the first time out of the
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  Speaker 2: country for you when you when you go to England
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  Speaker 2: to go to school.
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  Speaker 3: That was the second time. Towards the end of my degree.
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  Speaker 3: I met a good friend through at language school, my
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  Speaker 3: friend Danny. We did intercambios, so we would practice English
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  Speaker 3: and Spanish for an hour at the Spanish school. And
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  Speaker 3: then he invited me over to California, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: stay with his family and that and I did you know,
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  Speaker 3: I went there for like I stayed with him for
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  Speaker 3: like three months, and that really helped me improve my English.
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  Speaker 4: And that was the first time I was out.
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  Speaker 3: Of Mexico and I after doing after seeing the world
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I want to see more. And I
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  Speaker 3: kept thinking of all the people that visit us, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I want to see where they're from.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what food they eat, how's the landscaped over there?
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  Speaker 3: And hearing all the stories just made me, yeah, more
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  Speaker 3: curious about the world in general.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So how long were you then in the UK?
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  Speaker 3: I was there for like four and a half years,
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  Speaker 3: inspite my research and fixing my.
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  Speaker 1: Were you in London?
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  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't. The Northwest in Liverpool, which is a
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  Speaker 3: port city and also you know has a history of
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  Speaker 3: migration and different cultures, uh that live together, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I went to my.
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  Speaker 4: First Indian like Indian what.
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  Speaker 3: The Festival of Light? I think it's called. I don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: remember the exact name, but you know, just being part.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I was part of the Meditation Society then and with
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: it Curtain and we had like teachers that you have
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: spent time, you know, abroad and training with us without
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: their knowledge, and yeah, it was an exposure to like
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: world culture culture back there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So I have a question regarding that. So if you're
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: if you look at your culture and the symbolism in
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: your cultures, I'm curious if you found owned in you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the East Indian culture or any of the cultures that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you experienced there when you were looking into that, what
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: what some of the similarities were in the stories or
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the symbols. Did you find anything there? I know, I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: know there are some, so I'm just curious what you found.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if your audience can see,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: but just the symbol in the back here, it's the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: symbol that you get when you join your hands in
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: this way. Yes, and for us as the union of
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the nawal, which is our intuitive side, like or dream world,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: and the tonnal which is the awake world, the world
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of language and logic.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Hold your hands up again. Symbol is going to take
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a picture so we can post this.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, and the symbols. That symbol back there, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: it's moven in Mongolia. The symbol up here with the
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: cross and the square in the middle, we call it, well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: it's called in Spanish king Kunse or mcwill souch it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: You now what. It's found all across South America. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: also the I knew people in Japan with this symbol
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: so far away, you know, they still have a pattern
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that tells or you know, that's connected somehow.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Let me interrupt. You put your hands up one more
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: time with the symbol where he's going to take a picture. Yes, okay,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: go ahead, there we go. Got it. So the same
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: symbols keep going. This is fascinating stuff.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these symbols. So then what you know, when I
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: started to read about my own culture, there were several
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: historians like revisiting history, you know, and and writing it
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: from a di colonialized perspective. So the first thing that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: really changed my perspective was when they said that, well,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we should really think of our culture as one of
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the cradles of civil says, just like China, India, Mesopotamia, Egypt.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: In here in this part of what we now called
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: meso America, or an artwork, which just translates as the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: place arounded by water, you know, we develop agriculture roughly
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: around the same time as in all the other spots
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: in the world. And and so that just you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: gave me, I think, more appreciation for culture. And I
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: think just in my reflections, what I think is that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, when you read like world history,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you also have to be careful, like, you know, a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: lot of things. We're just still trying to uncover the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: evolution of humans and like how we got to populate
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: this content is still you know, we're still finding new
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and new evidence that pushed the dates further and quarter back.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: But let's roughly assume that, you know, we left Africa
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: something like eighty thousand years ago and we started to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: populate a lot more of the world. They say that
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: about eighty thousand years ago, maybe ten thousand people. You know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: we're that first wave of migration. Ten thousand people is
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: not a lot. My village right now we have about
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: nine to ten thousand people. And because we're living in
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a cross knit community, we know a lot about each other.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: You know, we share a lot in common. So I
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: can't imagine, you know, this story is being shared by
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you know, like that original family of humans. And so
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: those ancient teachings, you know, are they are very old
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and then the same you know, some traditions have kept
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: you know, those oral stories for a long time, like
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the Originals in Australia. I was just actually I heard
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the audible tractinics called talk in sands and they tell,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you know, stories that are similar to ours, and they
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: are like sixty thousand old stories. And then our local
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: historian I followed this guy called Frank Das. He's a Qan.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: He does he does independent research and he goes straight
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to the Hispanic codecs and he learned like classical now classic,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you know, mixed tech or sapotech, and he's like, you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: should really learn the classical version of your language to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: really understand the history, the old history. But among the
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: things he says, you know, like as humanity, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: we've been carrying this knowledge for a very long time,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know, and even previous to being humans, we were
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: already carrying like knowledge about the stars, knowledge about the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: movement of you know, constellations, like even in the Undertuald.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: We've it's been proven now that they were so advanced.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: There were intelligent people that created artwork complex for real rituals.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, like any other animal, because we're
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: just like talking animals, you know, all the animals, like
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: they have knowledge of stars, of navigation of the planet.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: So to dismiss or prehistory.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: As something that's you know that we were just doing
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: like doodles on a cave paint, that's that's to the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: smith's great part of our own roots or own identities.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Oh I love that. I just love that. And it
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: is fascinating, you know, when we start to discover that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: we're more similar than we are different, and it changes
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: our whole perspective as to perhaps the way we grew
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: up when we were when we were more like in
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: this smaller community and being taught by our parents. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: have a question for you. When you went back from
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: England and you've been seeking and you have all this
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: perspective that has changed. What were your conversations like with
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: your parents. Did they become as curious as you or
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was that unsettling for them to have you having What
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: have them seen your perspective change? How did that show up?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Well? I think my mom was always very supportive of
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: my decisions like going there and continue my studies. I
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: think my dad was a little more shocked, you know
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: because also the fact that I left it meant that
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: they had more farm work on their shoulders and I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: was studying so I had a scholarship. And you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: scholarships are okay, Like you have enough money to live
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and get by, maybe travel a little bit here and there,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you know, on a budget, but that's it. Like I
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: couldn't support my family in that time. But you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: he also understood me, and he never really criticized me
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for that. But I think in a way they were
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: great parents like that. You know, they just let me
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: follow my own path. And you know, of course, you
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: know they missed me and and they were wondering what
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I was doing with my life, but they understood it
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: as a good thing. Back then, we also had Skype,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I remember, and I could log in like every week
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: or every two weeks and fasttime them, and that that
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: was close.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And so you were able to keep in touch. Did
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you share what you were learning spiritually or culturally with
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: them and and was it different than the way they
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: saw the world?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: No, I think, In fact, I think what only the
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: don't think that happened is that I just could develop,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you know, a more reach vocabulary to express these experiences.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: But especially on my mom's side, she she's always been
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: very intuitive, you know, very spiritual in that sense. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: it was actually later on that I understood what she
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: would experience. For example, her dream world was very powerful.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: She remembered a lot of her dreams. And sometimes you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: because like we're doing farm work or We're going in
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: the mountains to search for lost cattle, to be like, oh,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: be careful because I had this dream and just watch out,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: watch out, you know, watch out on your path, be careful,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: or when things would happen.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: She always like reflection on her dreams and she's like.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's why I dreamt this. So for her, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the dream world and the Wakes state were very connected.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hmm, that's beautiful. Her intuition was really active.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I have another question for you. You know, one of
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the things I was so fascinated by when we were
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: there is how you found the natural colors of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know, in the world. And I'm like, how did
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you ever know the time for the weaving? Yeah? And
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: we would you know, I'm like, how did that? How
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: did how are you led to that? You know, your family,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: your history, how are they led to discover those colors?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Do you know that story? And how they you know?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And how did they seek it? I mean you had
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to have been just tremendously curious. The purple one is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and the purple one and the red one is just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: so fabulous, but the.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Where it comes from is super interesting. We got to.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Experience, Yeah, and we made it ourselves. And I'm like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: how how do you know that? Like, so maybe share
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: with this, uh because we're kind of talking code, but
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: share with our audience about that what the source of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: that color? And you know how you discovered it?
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely this is part I mean, I would say,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: like I would call it even like the indigenous scientific methods,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: because we're really just inherdters of a long lineage of
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: knowledge that has been past, that has been built up.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: For instance, the color blue, which comes from the indigo plant,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: which here we call hikilite or shikilit They found a
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: mummy in Peru that's six thousand years old, wrapped in
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: a cloth tied with indigo. It's the same plant that
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: we use. It's the same plant that the Mayans use
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and from which they developed Mayan blue pigments. And it
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: grows wild in our foothills. It just grows as a weed,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: although here it grows smaller. There is another village called
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Niltepec where they have more like the right moisture and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: heat that makes this plant grow like three feet tall.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: And there is different theories. I mean, the people there
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: in that village. I was just talking to someone. They
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: said that, well, when the animals eat the plant and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: it ferments in their rooman and when they pee, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: they pee and it oxidizes and it becomes blue.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So just by observing that, they're like, oh, so now
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: they you know, they just figure out ways to recreate
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that fermentation process. Another theory, for example, for the color blue,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: is that this plant, it likes growing on alkaline soils
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: and it's people. You know. Also by observation, they observe
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: that when the leaf would fall on these alkaline soils,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and then during the rainy season where there's poodles, sometimes
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: other nearby plants. Usually here we use a Mexican honeysuckle.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: When the flowers drop on the same poodle, it creates
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: a fermentation process. The sugars from the flower, the alkalinity,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: it will extract the blue you know, pigment from the
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: leaf of the plant. It will ferment and then it
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: will turn yellow. But if you step on that poodle,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you know, as soon as your feet are out of
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: an expos on oxygen again, it will start to turn blue.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: So up to this day we still use a Mexican
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: honey socle to ferment the indigo vat and to create
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: blue pigments. And the red is also as fascinating. It's
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the bug that grows on the cactus. And you know
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: probably when countered this bug for like since since we
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: got here, you know, who knows, twenty thousand years years ago.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So it's red.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: And all you have to do is quish on this bog.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: You will see it turns red. But the curious thing
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: is that if you then put an alkali solution on this,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: it will turn purple. And here we have a lot
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: of limestone because we use it to mixtabalize or corn.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if you just have like nixt aalamites mixtamalized water,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you know, you put the bug in, it'll turn purple
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: running from in front of your eyes. And then with
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: lime juice it turns bright red.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: That that's what we did with your mother.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: We crushed death.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You know, we crushed the bugs in these little mortars. Right,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: it was like a little mortar and made the red.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And then I think she I think maybe we added
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: lime juice.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Did lime juice?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that just made it still red vibrant. Yeah, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, that's just amazing. And then
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you dye the yard the wool.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know this this color, it could last
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: for four hundred years even if it's exposed to sunlight.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: The red it's so resilient, you know, and would have proof.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Because there's some like four hundred year old carpets that
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: were woven in the sixteenth century here in Mexico, died
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: with that coaching el red and they're still red even
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: though the living like on sunlight and up to this day.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: There is no industrial paint that could last for you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: three hundred, four hundred years and that is safe enough, that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Is edible, right right. That's the other thing is that
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's not harmful exactly. Wow, that's just so amazing now,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I know when we were looking at the rugs, you
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: know there you definitely weave rugs out of natural fibers
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and colors, and then there are rugs that are sort
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of a mixture between some colors that are more commercial colors.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Because I remember we picked both. We we wanted to
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: bring home both a rug that was made purely from
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you know, natural dyes and then a rug that had
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: more you know, synthetic colors that were in it. And boy,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: we love both rugs so much.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one that's definitely actually red. That's right here behind
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: us right now, red.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Oh nice. Yeah, I mean this knowledge was on the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: brink of extension, you know, because of the industrial revoligion.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I think in the thirties the annualin dice became more common,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't until like the forties that they became
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: actually good enough to be used as dye. You know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: coaching is so good that you know, nothing can compete
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: with it. But synthetic dyes gave you a full range
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of colors. You know, you could make the whole rainbow
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: spectrum and more in like in two hours. It could
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: die any color, whereas these other dies take a long time.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: And it was Yeah, it was in the eighties that
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: more and more tourists, I mean, since the sixties, more
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and more tourists started to come to our village. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: in the eighties there was a big boom and there
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: was a huge demand for our rugs, and just to
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: keep up with that demand, we started to use aniline dice,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: and we our village supplies a lot of the rocks
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: in the southwest of the US and all the tourist
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: cities across Mexico. We always find like we were a
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: family from a village trading. But yeah, it wasn't around
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: two thousands, around the years two thousand that something changed
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: in the world, you know, like there was more awareness
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: about natural dice, and there was more awareness also about
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: our own cultures, about indigenous cultures, and that started to shift,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: you know, and to this day, you know, I mean
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: we've gone. I mean, we have both because there's some
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: colors we cannot create with natural dice and some colors
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that are more vibrant that you know, we have to carry.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we try to keep that balance between still
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: having the earth made materials and we're using the synthetic
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: materials in a more responsibly too.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Wow, And if anyone wants to take a deeper
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: dive on this, we chatted about this a lot when
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: we were the symbols, at least when we were on
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that thing down in Boulder, Utah. Sole post a link
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of that video. None of this is professionally done. It
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: was just basically me interviewing you on a phone, but
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it's still really good stuff. And then the process of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: grinding the coachinia and the process you showed us how
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to weave. There's two videos out there of all of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that that we did. That's on my YouTube channel, so
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: we'll post links to all that so people can kind
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of take a deeper dive and actually see what we did.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And what I recommend they do is go do that too.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Get in contact, get in contact with you and come
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: down there and see what you do, because you guys
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: do this a lot. You have people come there and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: visit you I know.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have a six rooms here and we
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: just finished building three more rooms below gallery where people
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: can stay, you know, for like three days or something,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: take a weaving class and really take time to go slowly,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: or take a natural dye class or a cooking class
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: with my own teas and really immerse, you know, immerse
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: into the culture.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and other things that they can see.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: And we just discovered this and our friends got web
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: who we traveled and met with. You send us this thing. Look.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Sam Well's on this Eugene Levy show and it was
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: about the travels that he does. I can't remember the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: name of the show right.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Now, but the Reluctant Traveler.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: A reluctant traveler and it was so good.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I think you're his first episode yes, yeah, yeah, for
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: season three, the first episode, and it was just fabulous.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It was really beautiful.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: It just came out not too long ago, and it's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: all out the Day of the Dead and the traditions there.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: We were fortunate enough to go to San Miguel with
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Scott and and experience the Day of the Dead, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: then you know, you talked about all of those traditions
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and I would love to hear a little bit about
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: your perspective of the Day of the Dead and what
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: that symbolism is, because you know, we hear it's this
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: spooky kind of Halloween thing that we've made into a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: candy fest, and uh, we got to experience what it
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was and how really spiritual and symbolic it was of
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the ancestors like that, like the Little movie Coco was
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: so good at describing, but I mean seeing it in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: real life is something else.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It was so cool, and especially because recently you have
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: your mother has passed, so you you were really celebrating
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and honoring her as you were explaining what the Day
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: of the Dead was, So yes, share that that that
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: would be beautiful.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, first of all, I think Eene is
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a reluctant traveler because I couldn't convince him to eat
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: grass offers.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his face, he didn't look too eager to try that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I so, yes, you did.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say though, I just continue to eat him.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: There wasn't like a snack, but I did. I tried it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: It was at all.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: No, but it's great, But no, it was. It was
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: a great episode. And yeah, actually I was just reflecting
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: over this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Over like yesterday or something, because.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: You know, or traditions, like I said, you know, they're
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: very old, and the Day of the Dead. In fact,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: in the ancient times, it was celebrated for two months,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: two months of twenty days, which starts roughly around August
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: third in our modern day calendar. And I started to
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: notice that, oh, I see, that's when the candy kill starts,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: which which is called the dog days of summer, which
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: is a period of time at least here you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: in the area of Ohaka, or rains start around them.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Well, first storms start starting.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: May, and you know we'll have like a thunderstorms and
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: big showers maybe hail like once a week, starting like
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: May mid May, and then in June, you know, we
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: start to have more constant rain, and that suddenly stops
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: around August, around the third of August, which in Prispanic
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: times would have been the the months of the death
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: for the little ones that have gone ahead, you know
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and died, and they would put offerings of flowers and
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: some cookies on their graves or they would have communal
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: communal altars for for you know, for celebrating the well
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: all relatives that have So they would do that for
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: twenty days, and probably they will only do it like
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: on special days because to this day we still go
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to the cemetery every Sunday and take fresh flowers to
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: the cemeteries. So it's not just the day of the
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: dead when the cemeteries look like that colorful and full
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of flowers. It's a constant, yeah, habit of honoring or
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: dead and or relatives. And then for twenty days. The
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: next twenty days will be the celebration for the old
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: ones or the elder ones, and so that's forty days
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of the day of the dead. Celebrations in the prise
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Panic times that mimics the canicule, which are nor language
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: we call beva. And this is interesting because the word
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: for tomb is ba, so we have a tonal language,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: so very subtle interest in antonation. The Wah means like
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: the month of the cnic, kule Bah it means grave,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: and for instance la ba means root. But it's all
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: pointing handwards and it's all remembering that. The way I
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: interpret this is that in order to survive those hottest
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: days of summer, you have to feed your roots, you
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: have to feed your ancestors, you have to remember your teachings.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: And I think that's why your ancestors celebrated the day
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: of the Dead for two months in those hardest days
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: of summer that later, you know, got pushed to Ah,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: to November, to All Saints Day. But that's more of
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the Celtic tradition, you know, the Samhain what is it called.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not pronouncing it right, but you know, they also
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: honor their dead around that time, you know, I think
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: it's the the shortest day of like fall or something,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: as we're entering winter. And they also fed their ancestors.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: And it's really these two.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Different traditions to lineages. They are honoring their ancestors and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: we're feeding them and feeding them in the physical sense,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: but also in the spiritual sense by remembering them by
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: remembering their teachings, by you know, bringing them to our hearts.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: You know, that's how they live. But also, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: it's good to have these rituals where you feed them.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: People say that in the past, you know, people would
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: have more of a public communal altar where everybody would
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: bring their offerings out and do a communal altar. That
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: changed during the colonial times and it became a more
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: private celebration where you would do it in your own
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: altar at home because it was sanctioned by the church
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: to do these pagan rituals. But that's the way it
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: has evolved and survived. And the important thing is that,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you know, the teaching is that don't forget your ancestors.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: You know, and we know the legends, you know of
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: the stories when people forget their ancestors and there's hungry
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: ghosts or this hungry energy that's forgotten, and we do
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: it ourselves. You know, when we cut that that roots,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: then we're more fragile in this physical world. So it's
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: also a way in which the under world or four
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: planes and their sky worlds are united. And the way
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that's united here is that we pray to our ancestors
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: so that they help and carry our prayers, you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to the underworld, and then we're praying for that rain.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: And then when the rain comes, you know, it feeds
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: the earth and feeds our ancestors and feed us and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: it completes the cycle.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful symbolism. And without it even being said,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the connection that you're having with your ancestress by giving them,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you know, by making an offering, by going and visiting,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: by spending time, by bringing them into into your mind
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: or into your presence in that moment, that connection is love.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: That's that's the connecting thing. It connects between this world
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and that world. It doesn't matter, it will always be that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That's the energy that emanates in the universe. It emanates
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: from Creator, God, whatever word we want to use to
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: describe it. But that connecting energy of love is always there.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And if we hold it into it in a place
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: of fear, like we kind of do around Halloween, you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: there's spooky movies and there's this and it's about being scared.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: It's scary. Scary things are come from a space of fear.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So fear and love cannot coexist in the same place.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So the feeling around the Day of the Dead that
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: we experienced in Mexico is one of elation and connection, celebrations,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: celebration and feeling the ancestors. Whereas what we've focused on
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in this world is the fear aspect. What to be
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: afraid of it. If we're afraid of the dead, if
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: we're afraid of the ancestors, if we're if we're afraid
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of the as you said, hungry ghosts, we give we
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: give that kind of energy to it, We give the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: energy of fear, and then that's what gets created within us,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is fear. But if we go to the space of love,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and if we honor the space of love, and we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: honor the ancestors in that space of love, that's the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: connecting energy. That's the unsaid thing that's going on there
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and the way I see it, and maybe you can
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: speak to that a little bit.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: No, No, you're absolutely right, and I wanted to highlight
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: that I was thinking the same words when when you spoke,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you know, I was like, Yeah, it's love is always there,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: you know, and and it is the is the energy
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: that's ever present, and that after we die, you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: that energy is still there that when we dissolved into
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the earth. You know that what remains, that's the love
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: you know, that connects us. And you know, definitely in
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: a moment of prayer, meditation and ritual. You know, I've
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: experienced that, you know, like when I put the offerings
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: on my mom's grave, or when I put the stay
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: the flute in front of the altar, or when we're
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: gathered around the table, you know, just just talking about
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: even random stuff. You know, just like you keep living
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: your life, but you feel the presence that they are
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: always there. And sometimes in times of hardship. You know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: what we do is we turn back, I've noticed, you know,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: just turn back to our ancestors and just ask for
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: guidance and help and their ever eternal love is always there.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: And one day we'll beat the ancestors and you know
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: we'll well we'll give that love back.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be there a little bit sooner
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: than you are. Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: But like you said, it completes a cycle, yes, And
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: you know, when we can when we can lean in
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and understand that there is an unseen cycle that is
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: happening that is always a part of us, it's then
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: that we can feel connected more one to another, regardless
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: of our geographic differences and to the earth and to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: everything that we are a part of, and understand that
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: it is that we're all connected that way, even though
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: we may not see it in our day to day activities.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the roots, you know, like the roots of
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: the trees that are connected to each other and talking
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: and exchanging nutrients. And it's the same way you know
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: for our societies here, you know, we're we're all interconnected.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And the more love we share with the world, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the more kind actions and forgiveness, and the more also
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: we embrace death, the more alive we are. Like in
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: our culture, we have this other pattern that I showed
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you before.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to capture this hold on, I.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Remember this one. We talked about this in the video.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the cycle of life. But the cycle
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: of life has in itself built the cycle, you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the death part.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: She's not quite got it yet.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Here one more, I'll hold it. But so in our culture,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: you know, instead of fearing death, we embrace it, you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: we built it into our symbolism or.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, a little higher, so there you go, perfect, Sorry
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to interrupt, got it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: So, So, yeah, like you said, you know, by is
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: in death, you know, we become more live, you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: we dance with death. We you know, eat with death
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: at the cemeteries and and yeah, instead of fearing it.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I remember when I read this in the Castanella books,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the teachings of the Juan.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: He said very simple, you know, like like death is
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: your best advisor.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: And when you Protter explained himself, it's more like yes,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: you know, like in Buddhist cultures you think of the mind,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: or they say they compare their mind to a pendulum.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a pendulum that's constantly worrying about
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: the future or regretting the past, but it's hardly ever
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: in the present moment power in moments of life and death.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Once you've done the ground work, you know, you become
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: fully present and then you're able also to bring the
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: best of yourself because death has that power you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: to really you know, add presence to every little moment
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of life and and just achieving that state you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: of eternal presence. It's also the way in which kind
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: of we close the loop, you know, between past, present
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and future, and we're in that sweet spot of presence.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: You know, we're all coexisting you know our ancestors, you know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: we're just an expression of their words and their dreams
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and their love. And also they're dark, you know, their
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: their fears, their emotions, their anxieties. You know, we're all
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: carrying that and trying to heal from that. But it's
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: in that sweet spot where we're fully present, where we
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: can fully embrace all that and heal from that and
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: bring the best of ourselves. Which is why the first
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: symbol that I taught to you the we call it
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the now wild symbol or the Shaman symbol, because this
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: life cycle has flourished. We went through a cycle of
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: life and death that you could escape. You know, when
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: your spirit flourishes and it unites the dream and the
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: awake state, they say, like, we're nothing different than those
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: flowers that come from the earth. They grow to flourish,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: only to go back to the earth. But in that
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: flourishing of the spirit is where we can bring or
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: or trust gifts to humanity, to society, to our families,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: to our beloved ones. And we do that. You know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: when we live a balance way of life, we bring
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: flowers and songs, And by flowers it means beauty, art,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: the creativity, you know, the human kindness, and so yeah,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: our ancestors wrote several poems you know about this, and
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: they said things like, even if things were made out
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: of gold, they would rust even the beautiful things made
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: carved out of jade, good break, even the beautiful feathers
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: of the getzal bird. Will wrote, Do we really live
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: on this earth? Or are we only here for a moment?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Or do we wake up from a mortal dream? So
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: they say, like, you know, let's let's sing, let's let's
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: cultivate flowers, let's be kind to each other, and let's share,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: you know, these precious moments of life.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I love all of them.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I what I one of the things I would like
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to address is this segues perfectly into this is the
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: culture of the area right around where you live, which
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: we got to witness of how supportive they are and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: how they work together in community to support each other.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And it's so many different artists communities that are creating
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: different things, and they all work in support of each other.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Someone is creating the diyes, someone is creating the wall,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: someone is creating you know, whatever the some are doing
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the weaving yep, some are doing the weaving or just
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: in that, and then there's you know, there's painting and
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: all the artwork and the sculptures and all of the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: stuff that we got to witness there. It's like this
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: place of art where people are leaning into this beautiful,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: amazing creativity. Hayes that were everywhere, which we brought some home.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Those things are fascinating. Tell us a little bit about
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: how how you're able to create that in this world
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: we live in today, one of cooperation, community and co.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Creation and co created because it really requires you to
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: collaborate with one another in order to co create.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think that's uh, definitely. It is a
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: reminiscent of, you know, an older way of life that's slower,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: that's more connected. And we have the advantage, you know
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: because these communities, you know, the ones that we still
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: hold onto our crafts. We're connected because the materials themselves
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: that come from the earth. You know, they have their
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: own written, their own cycles. Like the clay potters. They
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: will go and collect the clay and they have to wait,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you know, they have their own process. The same for
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: the wool, the dice, the woods they have to cure
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: so that connects you to the rhythm of nature. And
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: then you also realize that there's only so much you
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: could do on your own. And here we don't have factories,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: you know, we have families working together and neighbors, you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: cooperating with each other creating because we rely on one
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: another to create something bigger. And you know, I yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I mean I could call this like the indigenous production system,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: in which in my village, for instance, there is no factories.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: There's no single rooftop that gathers you know, all the
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: looms together.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: It's all distributed, everybody in.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Their front porch with four or six looms in their
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: front porch or back patio. There were women rugs, but
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: when we are accounted for as a whole, as a community,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: we we nine to twelve tons of rogs per month.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: That's how much wool comes into a village and gets transformed.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yet there is no nine to five. There's no CEOs,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: there is no like production managers. Nothing. It's just very organic.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: You know, probably is not as you know, you cannot
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: plan for things, but it's adapts, you know, like somebody
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: run me up like a few months. No, that was
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: last year. Actually, they were like we need thirty rocks
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: for this fashion show, and can you put them together?
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I can because I know there
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: is a network of family and friendship that I could
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: rely on. And I was like, oh, I got disorder.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: They want these rogs, this size, these patterns, and I
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: could together our catalog and they were able to pick
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: the roads that they wanted. You know, in less than
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: a month we had them shipped. But that's the kind
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: of you know network. It takes and it takes time
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: to build, and you know it also comes with these challenges.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: You know, people, people are people, sure, and you know
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: it's not all like you know, pedals and like, but
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: that's also the opportunity to face those frictions, to face
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: those you know, direct relationships and to heal from them
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: and to become better people.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: To work through disagreements or feelings getting hurt and things
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was inspiring for us to be able to
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: see it because you took us to multiple different places
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: of different kinds of art that was being created, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: you see this happening in every one of those places,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: just like you said, where they were doing the Labrijaes.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: That was one of the most fascinating things with all
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: these people paint on strange looking things sometimes, but you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: animals and different things. But they're also talk about that
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit. These alt If you don't know what
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: they are spelled, spell it for me because I don't
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: know a L. E.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: B R I J E. S.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Albert and they're I mean they create them from.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Like uh, delivery has start as I think by pederally NAIs.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: I think he was making them out of paper machere
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: m hm and usually blending, you know, different animals that
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: would orderwise, you know, not come together. So they are
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: creatures of the dream world. They're now Wallis and they
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: you know, this is a pretty Hispanic tradition, you know
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: all like o rain god has like eyes of an amphibian,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: has a snake tongue that's a jag your mouth. Uh.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: These are all allegories, you know, two different cycles of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: the water. Like we know amphibians they love water. The
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: jag your mouth represents the cosmic roar of the jaguar,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: which is thunder. You know, when the thunder sounds, it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like a cosmic jaggyar. And the snake is the
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  Speaker 3: lightning that descends from the sky world into the earth
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  Speaker 3: to announce the rains, to open the portals for the rains,
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  Speaker 3: and then that snake will travel, you know, will fall
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  Speaker 3: on the earth and literally will transform itself into a
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  Speaker 3: snake like a river, right, and they will travel to
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  Speaker 3: the underworld to the ocean and complete the water cycle.
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  Speaker 3: But that's where that tradition is coming from. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's taking just animal teachings or elements and combining them
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  Speaker 3: to tell a story. And then these towns that we visited,
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  Speaker 3: I think San martintil Cajette, and there's also another town
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  Speaker 3: called Arazola. They both do wood carvings, and they just
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  Speaker 3: took it like a step beyond that. They go and
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  Speaker 3: create amazing figures with different dreamlike you know Novalles, animals,
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  Speaker 3: energies that are you know, telling a story telling, also
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  Speaker 3: different teachings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the work is so intricate and beautiful. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there were so many pieces. I wanted to bring so
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  Speaker 2: much home, and it was just like, oh, I want
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  Speaker 2: this and I want that, and we really treasure those.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember asking someone, will you write down for
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  Speaker 2: me what all the symbols mean? And they said no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they would tell me and again, it was
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  Speaker 2: all about the oral tradition of keeping and sharing and
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  Speaker 2: re sharing and retelling the story that was really important.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have this. You know, when we learn
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  Speaker 3: the patterns and symbols, we're also told the stories and
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  Speaker 3: the teachings behind the patterns and the symbols. And they're
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  Speaker 3: still there and also a lot of them remained silent.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're buried in libraries because we had a
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  Speaker 3: written tradition or history was written. You know, we had
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  Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of books that unfortunately during the Inquisition,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they got burnt in the Maya region, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Landa. A priest burnt a pile of books that
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  Speaker 3: was so huge that it burned for an entire month.
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  Speaker 3: But fortunately some of those ancient books they've survived. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're probably like in them. Some of them are in Spain,
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  Speaker 3: Mexico City and the National Treasures, and they're being translated,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're being digitalized, and now people are like
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  Speaker 3: relearning the classical version of their language like sapotech or
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  Speaker 3: now what, and they're going back to the source trans
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  Speaker 3: in those stories. Because for instance, there is an old
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  Speaker 3: book it's called the what Is It's it's it's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of it survived in the Mayan region because that
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  Speaker 3: was one of the last places to be conquered. For instance,
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  Speaker 3: they had a revolt, you know, in the nineteen twenties
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  Speaker 3: or something, and they're translating like this body of work
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  Speaker 3: that it's very very important for oral tradition, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it confirms what we're also saying early and they say
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  Speaker 3: that when this book, you know, this book is close
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  Speaker 3: to being finished, and also we've fully the SAP for
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  Speaker 3: the calendar system, and we're now in the year and
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  Speaker 3: forty seven of the.
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  Speaker 4: Five five thousand, five two hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Year cycle, which is coming close to an end. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like they're like, before the end of the of
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  Speaker 3: the five two hundred years cycle of the fifth Son,
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  Speaker 3: this book will be revealed again toward people. The calendar
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  Speaker 3: you know, will make will be widespread again, and the
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  Speaker 3: return of kets are Quad the feather snake will come again.
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  Speaker 3: Because every you know, every turn of the sun, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's always an avatar of keets are Quad that comes
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  Speaker 3: back with the teachings. And it's just it's it's not
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  Speaker 3: it's not like you know, I know, in twenty twelve,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: we had this my own prophecy that was a bit
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: of a misunderstanding. But these are like natural statistical phenomena
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  Speaker 3: that just occurred naturally in all societies. You know, in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: all societies, there's always a time where just the things align,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: you know, the that an enlightened being is born, is created,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just natural, and it's shone through history, and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: and it's also comes at the times you know, of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: great change. And we are seeing now, you know, with
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: everything that's happening in the world politically or climate, spiritually, energetically.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: You know, people people need a change. And and those teachers,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: you know, they come at the right time. And I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: think a lot of us, you know, they are, We're preparing,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: we're getting ready, and and it's only gonna be a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: good thing because you know, we we need to balance,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: we need to regenerate that delicate of a fabric that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: makes life possible on earth. And uh, you know, a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: lot of us we've lost our way and it's important,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: you know, to to keep that state of of calmness
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  Speaker 3: and peace where love can flourish.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think, you know, as as I hear
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  Speaker 1: you talking, I'm putting it through my own filter. And
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  Speaker 1: my own filter is one of I don't see it
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  Speaker 1: as a human being that's going to be born here
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  Speaker 1: or descend from this guy, or come and save us
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  Speaker 1: see it. I don't see it that way myself. What
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  Speaker 1: I see it is is the symbol that all of
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  Speaker 1: those who have had that energy and have shown us
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  Speaker 1: that before, have given us now an opportunity to realize
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: where it actually is. And it's not something outside of us,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: it's something within us where we can look within ourselves
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: to find that love again. We're going to go right
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: back to the same place we were talking about earlier, where
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: we can find that we are, that that we're not
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: separate from the world. All the symbols and everything and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the new book that you're talking about that's being translated,
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  Speaker 1: it's all going to say the same thing. It's all one.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: We're all connected, and it's about love.
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  Speaker 2: And it's time for each of us to embody that
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  Speaker 2: in a way that is much stronger than we have.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Not holding anyone in a dark place, but knowing that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: we all came from this source that is love, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: we each have to have our own realization of that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and our own perspective of that. Don't follow Scott's perspective
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: or raised perspective or Samuel's perspective, because you've got to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: find and find that for yourself within you. It's there,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: it's waiting. The ember is there. You just got to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: blow on it and get it to start to glow.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I totally agree with you. You know,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: it's it's even the you know, it's not a god
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: or a divinity that's out there, Yes, you know, it's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: it's an inner state of being. It's just an example.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: You know. That's that's the that's the ideal of when
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: you can become. It's and it's already within you. You know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: it's all those answers, all that knowledge is laying dormant,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: just like a seed, you know that's buried in the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: ground and it's ready to sprout.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: That's that's the message.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this has been a fabulous cond I'm so
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: glad we were finally able to connect and the opportunity
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: presented itself for us to meet, because this is just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: really filled my cup. This has been such a great conversation.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me here, and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: really glad, you know we got to connect and finally
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: we recorded our conversation and yeah, I'm just looking forward
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: to the time we meet each other. You are here
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: in Whaka or right come up there, and yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: That's got to happen. It'll be wonderful one way or another.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: It's got to happen, for sure.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, another moment, and.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Yes we would we would love that. I'd love to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: come back to again. But you need to come for
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: rabbit Stick because the theme of rabbit Stick this year.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this is no, I.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Didn't know it's we Oh wow, I need to reach out.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, you got to be here.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I want to. I'll make it up there. Yeah, I'll
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: chat with with Scott, with Dave.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I'll send him a link to the podcast so that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: he knows. Yeah, we could talk more about that.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: But we'll put all the links in both to the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Reluctant Traveler as well as to your website, how to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: get in touch with you, how to visit you come
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: for a wonderful outing of learning to die, you know,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the fibers and the rugs and just having that Wahawk
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: experience is just so we couldn't recommend it higher.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I agree, and you know I don't know if you
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: do this or if you would do it for someone else,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: but I mean you were a supreme tour guide.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yes you are. We were so lucky.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: It was so fun.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: I do it only for select people. I mean, is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: lucky if you got on my list.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: That's great. Well again, Samuel, thank you so much for
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: taking the time to be with us. The appreciate it.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: It's been beautiful, it has so Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes until yes, thank you until next time.
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