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Beauty Begins With Biology Not Buzzwords ft. Joanna Czech · Skin Anarchy

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  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, welcome back to Skin Analytics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I am happy to welcome a legendary guest who is a worldest.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has over 39 years of experience and she has transformed the skin of Hollywood's elite from Kim Kardashian.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joanna Check is truly a visionary in this world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm very excited to welcome her today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi Joanna, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to chat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Fenn likewise, and I'm quite honored, Ecta, to be here with you today.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I can, you know, we appreciate each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's already a great start.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: I uh Joanna, you have such an amazing career and and everything you accomplished so far.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and I mean, you've seen everything when it comes to skins.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to like pick your brain and understand because I think all of us want to try to understand the skin better in terms of what actually makes us look better.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's the bottom line.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like with all of the noise in the industry, it's so hard to figure that out, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited about diving into that, but I would love to talk about your background and learn more about you because it's so fascinating how you've, you know, you've come from like a really, you know, humble beginnings, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you've turned something into something huge.
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  SPEAKER_00: So can we talk a little bit about your background if you can walk us down memory lane?
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm an aesthetician.
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  SPEAKER_01: This year cuts to 40 years of me being an aesthetician.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's when I started playing that job.
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  SPEAKER_01: I still keep talking about it as playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I come from Poland, uh, that's where I uh got all my education with extended program of biology, and then 13,000 hours of being in a beauty institute versus 600.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's a it's a quite serious approach to it in Poland.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by all main education, that's where I brought it from, and that's what I learned all my basics, and that's what I'm what I keep actually implementing for the last 40 years in everything that I do regarding aesthetics.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Aesthetics is kind of I'm not sure if it's a right word in my situation because I really mainly talk about skin's health.
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  SPEAKER_01: From skin's health, that's where we get uh everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, anyhow, I was a young athlete, so I was always a very disciplined person, always had interest in human's body and understanding what to do the best to perform the best.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was 5K runner, and I was the second shortest basketball player.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now in my 60s, I'm already 5'3, I probably was the highest ever 5'4.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I became an aesthetician, not ever planning, like the rest of my life, never having a major plan, only became an aesthetician because I did not pass physics to medical school.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: I my actually a little dream that I had, it was being a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of uh also coming from background in Poland, being born in a family, parents that survived the Second World War.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brother was destined to be a lawyer, and I was destined to be a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: I became an aesthetician and he became a chef.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, he was for the longest time with San Francisco Giants.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we we did okay, you know, we were both in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my beginnings are simple beginnings, as you said.
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  SPEAKER_01: I came here as a 25-year-old girl.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how I can talk about her now, 36 years later, because that's how long I've been in the United States, with four years of aesthetics in Poland before that, without ever planning to come to the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I am that kind of story of an immigrant, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where to go from there, but maybe that noticeable moment of my career here.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: I will jump from straight back from Poland to the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: It started in 1995, that was about six years after I arrived in the United States, when I got a job, Paula Breck Salon and Spa on the Upper West Side in Manhattan.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a Reebok Sports Club.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very, very popular, very, I mean, the coolest spot in the city then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was the happening here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was happening, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I was and I was actually a member.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a member of that club, and my coach says, Joanna, you should just go and get a job in a spa downstairs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not even realize that was a spa downstairs.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how interested I was in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was having already the way how my life went, I had my private clients, I was not looking for a job, and I end up going there.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't have really openings for aestheticians, but they say they are looking for manicurists.
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  SPEAKER_01: I, within my 13,000 hours, I was taught how to do medical pedicures.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was taught how to do water body treatments, and and uh that was a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was the whole very holistic approach to taking care of yourself, not just patting the skin and changing creams.
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  SPEAKER_01: I uh that's that's actually what made my decision as a 21 year old when I started taking tutoring in physics.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going back to Poland to apply again for medical school because physics that's what I did not pass.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that was the worst subject, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know what you mean.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was good in physics, I was not bad, but that was not my day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I missed nine points out of 50.
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  SPEAKER_01: I missed nine points.
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  SPEAKER_01: So which was not bad, but when there were 14 people per seat, that was enough to fail.
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  SPEAKER_01: And anyhow, I got fascinated by a nail plate, you know, that I can analyze someone's nail plate and and uh read what's happening with their digestive system, with their cardiovascular system, if they are smokers, if they are drinkers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And after that, three months of studying on the nail plate in beauty institute, I was like, I am a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you are brilliant when you are 21.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what we think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And without confirming with my parents, I kind of quit my physics and proceeded uh with the beauty institute, but now going again, jumping to 1995.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how I accepted that two-day job offer from Paula Brec to be a manicurist.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I became uh quite recognizable manicurist very quickly because within the first six weeks I had my two years' booking for manicure, and that was I I enjoyed doing pedicures, manicures, I loved doing brows.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was my actual kind of desertation that I wrote at the end of Beauty Institute was a framing of your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there are many things that people not necessarily know about my background.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I like looking at it all, but but at the end, the healthy skin, because it is about two square meters when we flatten it, average size of a skin of a human and three kilowatts, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is in fact the largest organ.
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  SPEAKER_01: So healthy skin that was always the most, and it is remains the most important subject of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then from that on, my career kind of I don't know, uh being at the right place at the right time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I believe that there are many phenomenal technicians and uh experts, but uh not everybody gets a chance to be in a place that they get proper recognition.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to do it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's a it's a hard industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a it's a very like kind of a cutthroat industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many people, and but I mean at this at the same time though, like I think what really fascinates me about about this is like I mean, people like yourself, you you love what you do, you know, and it shows in your work because you wouldn't be so successful if it wasn't that, you know, and that's where I'm so fascinated by your knowledge because we hear so much from like dermatologists, and it's wonderful.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I love learning from everybody, you know, in the the skin health space.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I think when it comes to aesthetics and like really working with the skin, that's when you start to understand like what is it that makes the skin glow?
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  SPEAKER_00: What is it that makes you truly healthy, you know, and like not just like for that day when you get the facial, but like afterwards, you know, what keeps your the overall skin health going?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's my biggest curiosity is like when did you realize that you know the skin was much more than just okay, you know, you do a couple of things here and there?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was like when did you have that moment where you realized I I want to understand the skin?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh that from the day number one, when I was always interested in a human's body, that uh I mean we know that our digestive system that's 65 to 70 percent of our immune system.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: So really it starts with whatever you put into your body, that's where it all begins.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: We know that that our emotions are connected to it, our brain is connected the way how we look and feel, and then how we look and feel sometimes then affects our brain, goes the other way around, right?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Then how much rest do we get?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: How much water do we drink, and when do we drink that water?
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  SPEAKER_01: I always give examples of, you know, like in the United States, there is very traditional thing, tons of water and especially ice cold water, and you take one sip and there are three waiters, you know, filling up your glasses.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it's really not the right thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It for the healthiest gut, and that's where it all begins for for everything, for skin, for brain, for it all, for our joints, for the whole body, you should stop drinking big amounts of water about half an hour before your meal, and you should start drinking about 45 minutes after, because otherwise you keep rinsing through all the potential nutrients that you can gather from your meal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what's very important.
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  SPEAKER_01: This proper intuitive meal, your body almost will tell you what it wants.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't listen when your body is screaming, Lady M cake.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what my body very often screams, but that's a lot of sugar.
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  SPEAKER_01: But but really choosing proper meals and when and how you eat it and how you support it with the water, that's that's another sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should have half a glass of water, maybe just not to choke on your meal, but not keep.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't laugh that very often I hear from nutritionists oh drink a lot of water, tons of water during dinner, before dinner, so you will not have your appetite.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of a uh weight loss program.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I personally don't appreciate it.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are out of doing it.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of misinformation out there, especially about nutrition now, because you know how it is.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: People are just like, I think people are finally waking up and realizing, wait a minute, oh, this is an organ, I have to take care of it, you know, like I have to do something.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then they're overdoing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they're going, they're overcompensating.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the very intriguing part is that you know, the skin is, you know, as much as we know that it's the largest organ, and as much as we know that, you know, we everything we do, it needs to be rooted in science.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think there's still so much like all these trends, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm sure you've seen it, like the beef tallow trend.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that drives me crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what are your thoughts on on these trends?
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  SPEAKER_01: I so all the trends uh uh ecta from collagen powder that is that's going to stimulate your collagen.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have not heard about collagen stimulating collagen.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I have not, I don't know how it works.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, then beef tallow, but then in the meantime, so beef tallow was used during the war in Poland.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's from the stories of my parents, because otherwise they would freeze their faces and bodies off.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's only what they had when they didn't have food.
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  SPEAKER_01: And but when a completely vegan and vegetarian person is screaming about beef tallow with honey, I really don't understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't understand people screaming uh within the last few years about exosomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are still really analyzing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If how do they work and how do they really work and when they are extracted from the original body?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: We already know, and I don't know why people are still selling um stem cell serums or stem cell screens.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: There is no way that stem cell can be alive after extracted from original body, maybe re-injected right away, uh, you know, as those plasma facials at the doctor's offices through microneedling.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a few thousands of the cells will survive in a proper uh environment.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh exosomes are quite novelty.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Exosomes are produced also by stem cells, right?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: We we don't know yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are only messengers.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, in the cream, I'm really not sure yet.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not jumping into it.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: So, what who I am in this business for the last 40 years, I don't believe ECTA in trends.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I believe in science, I believe in uh practicality, I will I believe in common sense, and I believe in starting again with the I don't believe just in an area that I consider completely vanity, nipples up.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's your face.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I always say, because I don't believe in separate neck and creams.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why we we do nipples up, but really that's that's our as I mentioned, that's our vanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what I think.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And really, we we almost like we invest in face, but we put some, I don't know, whatever oil on our body, right?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we don't do anything for the body, like literally nothing.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Very next product is gonna be body, and uh that's that's my dream because I I want to have proper ingredients.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's the largest part of that skin, the body more than the nipples up face.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and one of many responsibilities of the skin is also absorbing things, right?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how we very often apply medicinal patches on the arm, abdominal, or butt area, and skin absorbs that you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: People did numbing creams and they never got up after that because they got completely paralyzed, right?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't we don't, oh, this is a little estrogen cream that I'm but right, estrogen cream we are applying on our belly.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that means the skin absorbs it, it does penetrate uh through the skin.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's super important what we apply on our body.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Invest exactly.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: You think you should invest, but if they are smartly chosen products, they don't need to be super expensive, right?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: As long as they are whatever that means, clean.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure if I love that word in the industry because there is still not completely explained to me.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Also, love that situation.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm jumping a little bit all over, but that's how I want to debunk all those myths and trends.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Client comes to the studio and it's completely paralyzed by Botox.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's all good, whatever, everybody makes own choice.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I have no idea if the person is hysterically crying or smiling or is surprised.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't tell.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no expression, and that's okay.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a woman's choice.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: But this is the person who is asking me if my products are clean.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: So my high response was you know, I just dusted them off.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's literally what I said.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because why do you worry if they are clean if you have paralyzer, you know, in in your face, in your body.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So well, that's the whole thing, though, right, Jonah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is like this industry has become this, like, I don't know.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I love skincare just like the other person.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love you know, beauty, everything about it.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, there's so many contradictions, you know, there's so many people walking around screaming from the top of their lungs, like clean beauty is everything.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, what the hell is clean beauty?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like what does that mean?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have to science is not clean, like that's what I don't understand.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, what are you talking about?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, science does if you want real efficacious products, you're gonna have to accept that we have to do some scientific, you know, stuff on this.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we have to run it through trials, we have to, you know, experiment a little bit.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can't get that just out of nowhere.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I agree.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's crazy.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, when you can take olive oil, I mean, yes, it might be all great, but it has no right to penetrate to your skin.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Molecules are not right.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, famous person applied body, you know, olive oil for three months on the body.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: If an ordinary person will do it, they're gonna be so dehydrated from it because uh oil is going to destroy lipid decleur on your skin.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: After three months, you're gonna be so dehydrated.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: It will with nothing.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's I don't know, maybe some initial comfort, but there are no humuctants in that product to create even comfortable hydration, you know.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, as I say, stem cells, exosomes, just random product on the body without paying attention, all that salmon, beef tallow for vegans and vegetarians, that's very inconsistent.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, very inconsistent.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: It maybe creates protection.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, may not kill you, it didn't kill my parents.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: They survived, but you know, they were for six years without homes.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So but also the environment.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's another thing that you know that really I I would love to get your insight on this because this is people talk about, for example, you know, everyone's talking about celebrities all the time.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you've worked with countless celebrities, you know, you've worked with yes, right?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, people always say this that, oh, well, so-and-so has great skin because they can afford to go get like ridiculous amounts of you know, like procedures done or whatever.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, like, what is it really about celebrity skin versus a normal consumer that's different?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's no difference.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Ecta, there is no difference.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: There is they are the same humans, they have the same skin very often due to their profession, because they need to have makeup five times a day, adjust it and so on.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Makeup is quite distractive for skin, especially when it's not properly.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did studies on that, especially on the powders on the skin, but we did studies on it, and uh so, anyhow, so I just recommend removing it properly.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Celebrities, everybody has the same need.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Plastic procedures, they don't create glowing skin, they remove extra skin.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: There is no such a thing like lifting cream, there is no such a thing.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh lifting their procedures.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you are that person who will analyze or overanalyze themselves in the mirror five times a day, you probably are leaning towards the moment that one day you will go for your plastic surgery.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: But creams can create comfort.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I put on the same regimen, on comparable regimen, because I believe in four to five steps.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe in 17 steps in a skincare.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's completely overloaded with 60,000 skincare lines born per year, which is absolutely unbelievable.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: 94% of them they are white label, which so means people are buying completely the same products and just under different names.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: So to me, it's my goal is to educate people about what I think is the most important.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the most important, in my opinion, is a night care.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's the little thing that skincare can do because it really, if everybody would do everything wrong all day long and they only would concentrate on their face, the face still would not change.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: The cream cream on its own would not help.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody is not leading a proper this, you know, like I would say 70 to 80 percent healthy lifestyle.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm an aesthetician, I can support, I can create hydration, I can create a little glow, I can create, I can change even the uh temporarily the shape of the face by uh muscle manipulation, by fascia manipulation, but this is not that kind of one-minute red carpet facial.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: This takes time, this takes appointments, this takes program, this takes planning.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just, it's I always try to say and always use tons of analogies.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: When you want to be in a great shape, you don't work out once every three months or once a month, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to feel better, if you want to feel less bloated or you want to lose weight, and let's face it, I I know probably two women in my life that they want to gain weight.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: So this is not also eating one day amount properly, it's just being consistent, being disciplined, and making the right decisions and looking for someone who will educate them.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I want to call, you know, like my my little studios, I have three of them, uh New York, Dallas, and Los Angeles.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I want I almost want to call them little universities, because for me, it the one of the most important things in a in a skincare world is educating people, but not selling nonsense.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and the least, what I believe in, it's trends in the skincare.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Trends in fashion are phenomenal.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Trends in makeup, yes.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Trends in haircuts, even if you look crazy, you can put a wig on, you know, make and wash off pants.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: If they make you look horrible, you will take them off.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna go with the trend because everybody is rushing for monthly lasers all of a sudden, or some pills and whatever, it's it just does not necessarily you may not help yourself at all, but you may uh deal with some consequences of wrong decisions.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, I agree.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a very powerful statement.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that you know, a lot of times what happens is people, and this is why I asked you about celebrities, people will see celebrities on TikTok or Instagram, wherever, right?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: And they see the skin and they see a fill.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Or they see something and they're like, oh, well, I have to have that skin.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I really believe, truly, like, you know, as just a general consumer watching, when I see people who are obsessed with glass skin, or they're obsessed with that really hydrated look, or they just are obsessed with how many, how many products can they pile on and get that artificial glass look?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's I hate to break it to you guys, but that's not glass look, you know, that's uh literally just products piled on top, and that's gonna go away as soon as you wash them away.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And created a healthy skin from within.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's what all begins.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's what yes.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I would love to talk about, you know, just in terms of like, because you you brought this up earlier.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are so many different procedures we can do in the space of like, you know, when you go and see an aesthetician, there's different procedures you can get done.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's facials, there's what is what is something that you would recommend to somebody maybe in their 30s, you know, if they're very new to this and they want to start being more proactive about their routine.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I would start with the proper self-care, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then seeing occasionally, however, often if they are if they have proper self-care, if they really already, but I would go first for consultation with an expert.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I do very often I do them on FaceTime.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I create after one hour conversation, their uh even without touching the skin, but asking questions about their lifestyle, about what they do, what is their profession, you know, because I I need to create very realistic routine for them.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know if they are spending a lot of time outdoors, I'd be prescribing different things.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: If they are 10 hours a day in the office, I will be suggesting different things, especially for the daytime.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Nighttime might be comparable, but so I would start with consultation with the therapist that they trust, then uh start a proper uh skincare routine, and then once a month or maybe once a season, have depending what's their goal and what they want to achieve, having a professional facial.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: So regarding skincare uh at night, uh that's gonna be with some adjustments for nearly every age.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I, of course, proper cleansing, and that's uh I will mention here my czechisms.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I call them my czechisms, you know.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, first of all, I already said don't do what your girlfriend does, right?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because we uh we uh are such individuals, we have different health conditions, we have different needs, we have different skin conditions, we have different lifestyles, and and we will react differently.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one thing.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: So then don't bring the streets to the sheets.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: That means taking care of your body and face at night, rinsing your day off.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, exactly we're turning to those little babies.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: We bathe them at night, we put all the body oils or lotions, then we feed them, then we read a one page of a book and they are peacefully asleep.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: We need the same ritual.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So nighttime, proper, adequate cleanser for your skin, suggested, uh, depending, because there are going to be so many skin conditions, cleansers, you can have so many different.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I strongly believe the people don't talk about it a lot, and many people don't agree with me, but actually, many also do, even scientists, that pH of the skin is super important.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because if pH is off, that's gonna be one of the reasons for then many inflammatory situations, because then lipidic layer will be off, then we will start experiencing transepidermal water loss and then itching and then uh redness and flare-ups, and that's already all forms of inflammation.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: So proper pH of the skin created, we need to have it slightly acidic, 5.5.9.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And after washing the face, you know, it could get a little diluted.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I love applying slightly acidic toner.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I very often recommend that.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily exfoliating toner on a daily basis, but just slightly acidic.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Around 5 or 5.5, my toner happens to be 5.5.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Then for the nighttime, I recommend Vimna A.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: My very favorite form is retinyl, Y L.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the form that kind of belongs on the surface of the skin because retinoic acid is already that form, as you know, that that's what speeds up that cellular turnover, but has ability to convert into retinol, retinol, and then retinoic acid, and then after speeding up cellular turnover, it converts back into retinol, and we have access to vitamin A within our skin.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: We get vitamin A from our fruit and vegetable, fatty, fish, and meat.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So vitamin A at night, and then comforting moisturizer for a 30-year-old person, depending on what it is.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: If the skin feels dehydrated, I would put even something bummy because skin could be oily but dehydrated, for instance.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: So doily that's conditioned, dehydrated, no oily that's a type, dehydrated is conditioned.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we have many skin conditions, and that's when we go to kind of epigenetics more than genetics.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: We we genetically get skin type, but then we kind of almost create our skin condition by the lifestyle.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that's when we observe epigenetics of the of everything, but I'm talking about skin here.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: That would be your nighttime routine.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: As you noticed, I did not talk about eye cream, I did not talk about neck and the corte.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Every product that I name and recommend, they are actually good to apply, to be applied, obviously on neck and decorate or the eye area.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody is really psychologically an eye cream person, then I recommend eye cream.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that would be your step right before your final moisturizer.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So then from four steps, you go to your five steps.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: And in the morning, similar situation, removing residue of your nighttime routine, using your pH controlling toner.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Then I love recommending my own Vimas C, which is tetrahexadeclascorbate, in my opinion, and my chemist's opinion, the most stable form of Vimna C.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: At the moment, within my 30 and a half years of existence of my tiny little line, very few products, nobody yet had reaction.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Within 40 years, experienced many reactions to vimna C.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: But we don't have it again, that was misunderstanding completely, you know, opening little jars and you see orange rim or yellow rim.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is already free radical.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's not your antioxidant.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's your vimacy already got oxidized.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And tetrahexades does not get oxidized very easily.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's because being so stable.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it has a chance to penetrate deep enough where we stimulate synthesis of elastin and collagen and also inhibits hyperpigmentation.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's great again for anyone 30 or above or below, and then comforting moisturizer.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: For me, being 61, my comforting moisturizer is going to be always the bomb because I have zero estrogen in my system.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: But for 30 years old, depending, that might be a lighter cream, and then of course uh SPF, depending on their lifestyle.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: If they are spending 10 hours in the office, I know people will hate me for that, but I would not apply SPF.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and my dermatologist who happens to be a professor of dermatology, thank goodness he preaches the same.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: If they are outdoorsy people or they will spend an hour, you know, walking to work or whatever, then yes, for sure, SPM.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I personally if I am six minutes in the car going to work, or if I am at 8 a.m.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: walking on the streets of New York to work and I'm seven minutes outdoors at 8, 8:30 a.m.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I actually don't have my SPF and then I leave at 7 p.m.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting that you brought up SPF because I think the world is so obsessed with it right now, you know, like they're uh and it's wonderful because I know that people suffer from skin cancer every day, you know, it's a very real thing, you know.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: I understand that, but I also know that vitamin D is a real thing, you know.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, did you did you read the study that against one melanoma there are eight heart diseases now in the last 25 years when we started using SPF 100 and SPF 100 umbrellas and SPF 100 clothing, then people stop people are depressed.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and nitric oxide does not get stimulated, and that's what vitamin D stimulates, right?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: And nitric oxide, you know, it's a it's our natural ingredient of a blood that is responsible for hydration of our veins, capillaries, arteries.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: And if those become brittle, that's when the heart diseases come.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like we tend to jump to extremes.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: We we just we are unbalanced as exactly.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're very unbalanced, and I think that's where you know, and this is why I find it to be so fascinating to talk to someone like you because you have you've seen it, you know, and I think that for anyone who's out there and you don't understand skincare and you don't understand like what should you be doing.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the last thing you should do is be piling on uh like excessively SPF all day, every day.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not saying don't protect your skin, but like this absolutely.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: This is uh and the very first step is really to have physical protection.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, first step, you know, if you can manipulate or you can control the time spent outdoors when it's very hot, that's the very first step.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Then you have your physical protection, so wear your hat, right?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then you apply your SPF.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's your only third step.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because there, as you know, there is such a thing like heat-induced hyperpigmentation.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it does not matter if you have SPF 100 and you are laying for nine hours, you're gonna be all pale.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: But if you have tendencies to hyperpigmentation, it's gonna be it's gonna resurface after summertime.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, exactly.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, I agree.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just a crazy world we're living in right now.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, people are communicating because whatever happened with the machine of beauty or aesthetics, just everybody's producing something, and I'm not sure what is the reason for it.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because in my money, money, that's the only reason.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's you are very right, I guess, because they are like I'm I'm I was nervous with coming up with five products of mine, but I think that if nothing else, talking about pH of the skin, about two basic creams, very light and very thick, for winter time to prevent maybe broken capillaries for the skiers, skaters, and whatever, because that's kind of what I those those very basics, and then anti-redness suiting, and then proper form of amnesia.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: That was like my goal, and I thought I snuck in into something that was not maybe talked enough about it.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think you know, where we uh gather our ingredients from, you know, the banks of ingredients and so on, how they're being cultivated and and all those things make a difference in their efficacy.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I when I was creating my product, my my chemist at Giovanna, you have been building handmade rose roys.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: I said, listen, that's perfect for my age.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Roll stroys work, um, because literally they were my choices.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's an example.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: I always give example of colostrum.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we jumped recently to colostrum, right?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everyone's making one now.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's a yeah, everyone's making this one thing that I'm not against, but our cows in the United States are very skinny.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: They like being skinny here.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I think colostrum in the United States it is about 1.7 international units because that's how we measure efficacy of colostrum.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: As we kind of measure efficacy and strength of Vimna D, people talk about grams, milligrams, and that's not always does not always apply, including Vimna A, by the way.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: People talk about percentage, and that's I don't think if that's the right way to refer to it, but uh the strongest efficacy of colostrum is from San Miguel from Azores Islands.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's an island in in Azores Islands in Portugal, and uh it's 4.7 international units.
• 34:22
  unknown: Yes.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the end of the day, like it all comes down to like what are the most nutritious sources, you know, for our overall health.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of times, like you brought up, you know, since we're talking about like immunity, I think this is a good place to talk about like inflammation.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, I see a lot of this, you know.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I recently I published a review on it just recently about the inflammation and like you know what it really actually means, because right everybody right now is saying my fit my skin is inflamed, I have retinous, I have all these different things popping up, you know, my acne is inflammatory acne, which doesn't make sense.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Every acne is inflammatory acne, it's fyi, you know, like it's it's just become a buzzword, you know.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's become this big buzzword that everything is inflammation.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are your thoughts on that?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, my favorite thing is oh my god, you have dermatitis.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everybody has dermatitis.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Dermatitis, and how many hundreds of forms of dermatitis do we have?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can count in hundreds, even any change, right, is dermatitis.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everyone has dermatitis.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what are your thoughts on that?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what do you think about this stuff?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think like this is a big question, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because science, you and I, we understand, you know, science is there are certain things that are proven in science, but there are also a lot of things that are being harmful because you're used, the people are using scientific words to describe products that are simply not doing that, you know.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just misunderstand it, they don't probably even understand the words that they are using, uh, in my opinion.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where they shouldn't be talking this way.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I whenever I ask anyone about about what means anti-inflammatory, what does it mean?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like where do we start?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: I would always go first to diet, to to heal your gut.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I would go.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no way.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's my understanding of it because that's really a huge that that's the most important, I think.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Our system, that's where we have our immune system.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: But inflammation, it could be through diet, inflammation could be by killing our skin superficially, or inflammation could be created by strange uh ingredients, whatever they are piling up.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, maybe that's beef tallow or sperm.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whatever it is they're putting.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, honestly, here's my biggest thing, Joanna, and I and I'm just saying this because I feel like you'll understand what I mean.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not against all these, like, you know, I'm I'm all about, okay, do your research, find things that work, you know, that's fine.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: We all do this.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: But then cut talk to us about it.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, talk to somebody who knows what they're doing at the end of the, you know, like if you're gonna use something like it's all, you know, the salmon sperm thing is like that PDRN stuff, PDRN has efficacy in literature, as it's reported.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: But can I say that the products on the market right now that are PDRN products, if they're efficacious?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they have no right of performance.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Not to mention they're coming from they're coming from the east, right?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about that.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the east doesn't regulate anything, by the way.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the like in Korea, most of the time, the things that the products that are made, they're not even disclosing the ingredients on those products.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing gets done.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: We just buy it and don't even understand.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: We don't even care, exactly.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, oh, it's from Korea, done.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're doing we're using this, you know.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's so crazy to me because I I really feel like consumers have hit this like wall where they're like, I'll buy anything, just make sure it works.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like we can't do that.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, US-based products, we start scrutinizing and you know, again, that clean conversation comes up.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it's like if you we really want to have efficacious products, we need to do it in a system that allows for safety and efficacy at the same time.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't really want that, then we can drop the conversation altogether, you know.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: I love that that let's not talk about it because yes, what is I mean, for me, when I to me, when I can control, and I kind of like control, I mean, like, you know, controlling my decisions to to to a certain extent, but if I can control what I put into my body or I could or I put into the bottle, and I see exactly how those things mix, how do they react or not react together, if they are even mixable together and they start making sense, that's what can bring potential efficacy.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if I just mix, you know, I don't know, um whipped cream with something.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, beef tallow.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: And we and and and add some tallow and sprinkle with collagen and I and put on your face, what is going to happen?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just exactly.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I agree, I completely agree, and I think that there's so much.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could talk to you for hours about this because there's so many myths and there's so much garbage out here in terms of information, and people are really every day.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: I see a new some somebody posts something about how they broke out in terrible acne, or it's like something terrible happened to them in response.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And these adverse reactions are all over the place, but we're still not stop, we're not pushing the brakes, you know.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: As a culture, as a society, we're not saying, guys, it's time to stop, okay?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's time to for a minute and go to the experts, you know, go to the experts like lady expert.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I mean, at the end of the day, if it it's not, and there's no harm in saying I don't know.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's my biggest problem, I think, Joanna, is with people that say, Okay, I'm gonna go find my own solutions.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, go find your own solutions.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't know, then just say I don't know what the scientific word means, or I don't know what this concept is, and then consult somebody that does.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like whether that's a dermatologist, whether it's you know, you're seeing your left back back back in Poland, we uh collaborated directly with dermatologists.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, I would take biopsy, I was allowed to do it uh from any acne changes, and we would send to laboratories, and then dermatologists and I decided is deep uh pore cleansing and certain treatments will be enough, or we do need to incorporate in this situation already antibiotic.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: We really were working together.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: And or is it gut health?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like we are literally, what's your diet?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where we would start, and then we would check hormones level, and I would read blood tests and and and then we would decide how we're gonna approach that acne because exactly as you said, there are five billion different acne.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Acne are for different reasons there.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So what what I think that I want to say, I have my check is so I started with them.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Don't bring the streets to the sheets, start with your nighttime routine.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: What you do in the morning, like if you prepare your skin for relaxation and rejuvenation time, and I'm talking about from the toes to the nose, the whole body, that you will be much stronger to face the day because you already will have proper ingredients as much as they will penetrate.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's, you know, this is not again, not miracles here, but being consistent that helps tremendously.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then don't do what your girlfriend does.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Then your face starts at the nipples and ends in a hairline.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: The difference between neck and decollet, that lipidic layer is reduced 30 to 40 percent in comparison to our face because we have simply less suspicious glands and the jawline creates almost perfect borderline.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if I would have a miracle cream that would change my neck or decollet, I would put all over my face.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: If it would be such a phenomenon, it's emotion of application or simply applying anything that can help create hydration and that more comforting feeling.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Then another thing is be discipline and as I said, discipline and consistency, and then not over-treating your skin.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's unnecessary, but kind of acetylated hyaluronic acid with different lengths of a chains and different sizes of the molecules as an ingredient.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's very important.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Ceramides, obviously, essential for maintaining, you know, that healthy skin barrier.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing though, Joanna, is like, you know, we talked about this.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're you're rooting your practice in science, you're rooting your practice in experience.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: There are many, many people here that don't understand that if you want to become successful in anything, you have to understand what your actual where your knowledge comes from.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like that's across the board.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Even in medicine, I see this all the time where you know doctors don't want to get the extra training and it makes you wonder.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if you don't invest in yourself and your knowledge and your understanding of whatever you're working with, you'll never become the expert.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you'll never become that guiding light for other people.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I think yeah, that's why people copy you because you know what you're doing.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I love, I I uh I would be really successful in my life if they would pay me for my education, you know?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's if I could be paid for my for for educating myself because I am ready to educate others because uh it's another sad thing, and it's too bad, you know, in the United States that they are states already that they don't require school at all.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: You can sign and become an aesthetician.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: How scary is that?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's very scary.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's really that's
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you know how I teach, I teach clients.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I feel like whatever years I have left, whatever minutes I have left, I want to teach clients as much as I can.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to teach other aestheticians.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: The way how I work in my studios, wherever I go, there is always aesthetician assisting me.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: We both make I have like a nurse practitioner next to next to me.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: We have files of every client, we have what we've done, what we talked about.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: If they were feeling okay that day, because I did not understand why I had to study psychology for six years in my life until I saw the first client.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: How important is to understand even where to start conversation to make them feel better?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes after conversation, they will look better without even doing any phenomenal things on the skin, which I love massaging because I think that makes very often instant, even though temporary but instant difference.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's something that I definitely believe in.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: That you know that many massage techniques that are so phenomenal, which again, 36 years ago, they were yelling at me here in the United States that I was stretching the skin.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you know why is it called massage?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm massaging muscles, you know, that's what it is.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, my first instructor said, treat the skin like a sponge and the muscles like a dough.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that was phenomenal, very simple, um, you know, advice.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's really I I think that's brilliant because you know, we don't really talk about that at all.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's I think with there's like a really strong divide between when people start talking about muscles or fascia or anything like that, everybody starts going towards surgery.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no, guys, you don't always have to go down that road.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you can still talk about these things and and have it make sense because the skin is just like you know, the top covering of everything.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, so you have to understand that you're working with the full system, you're not just working with, you know, the covering.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's fascinating.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the end of the day, uh a lot more education is needed.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: I completely understand what you mean, where you know, I I wish there was a system in place that allowed for people who want to go into aesthetics to have the systematic way of learning because that's what makes great providers at the end of the day.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you see it even in in medical fields where the training is kind of shoddy, you know, it's not always consistent.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why some people, you know, they're great and some people just don't know what they're doing because there's no consistent way to educate.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I would love to see that actually.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: If we can, you know, so it would be so phenomenal to create some like postgraduate program, right?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Just licensed aestheticians if they could come and and spend some time with me.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh even dermatologists, I feel like, should get that.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you're going into dermatologist residency and you want to really understand the skin, you should train at something like do a certification, you know, it'll teach you more.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, then I can tell you why it's important paying attention uh to uh to the skin through your through your lifestyle, through taking care of it, through making right decisions.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Skin can save your life.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I mean it's saving your life on a daily basis because it's protecting you, it's regulating your temperature, it's purifying, right?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because we sweat, absorbs things that needs to absorb and sometimes that doesn't need to absorb.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if your skin is a mess on a daily basis, it's itchy, it's patchy, it's dehydrated, you have brown spots, does not matter on the skin tone, it's all gray, you will not notice that something is happening within your system.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you, if your skin looks healthy, if it's gonna be healthy, automatically it's gonna be proper tone for your ethnicity or whatever, it's gonna be proper elasticity and so on.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then if something is wrong, maybe color is changing, maybe all of a sudden in your inner arms you have some rash.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: That means you are most likely having an allergic reaction to something.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you are patchy and scratchy all the time, you will not pay attention to a change.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And your skin could be a very significant organ to tell you that something is going on within.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's worth it even just for that reason.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: I agree, I completely agree.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's that we need to have more deep dives into really understanding like what the body is trying to tell you.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that's that's very true what you said.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: The skin does reflect everything that's going on.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I've written some uh some posts about this myself because it's very intriguing, you know, when you have something wrong with your liver or something's wrong with your digestion, it will reflect on your skin.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're gonna be yellow, you're gonna be flaring up, you're gonna that's gonna be and that's gonna save your life.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's been it's been so wonderful to chat with you, and I I love that you know, you have such a holistic understanding of of you know the human body when you approach your clients because I think we need to really learn from that.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: And to just, you know, as you know, closing thoughts, I would love to get your advice for any anyone out there who wants to go into aesthetics, who wants to become an aesthetician.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: What is your your advice for them when they're approaching their education?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: First, try to find the best school you can.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what to recommend in United States, but Kristin Valmy, that's what I took to get my license in the United States.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, Avida schools are not bad.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Then study as much as you can physiology, anatomy, pathology of the skin.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Learn those basics.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Learn about basic basic ingredients existing in the products, but not necessarily just dwell, like dive into all of it, and then try to find work or some internship in the like best-regarded salons or try some postgraduate courses.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they are they are offered by some skincare lines, you know, environmental skincare line or biologique.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they're gonna be pushing towards their products, but they will teach you maybe basic massage movements, maybe some extra technology.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: There are some skincare lines that they provide that postgraduate education.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I would go there, or if not, just come here, call me.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe gonna maybe we will do something because this is this is for me moment.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think that I would based on everything what I'm seeing, I would never want to give up on clients.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see a few a month or a few a week, but but I would really love to teach, and because there's a mess.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's all what I have to say.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:42
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