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The Last of Us Special: Episode 7 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to Stephane Never
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Speaker 1: told You Protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to episode seven
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Speaker 1: of our nine possibly ten part mini series on the
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Speaker 1: Last of Us, the HBO Max series, which is not
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Speaker 1: a sponsor. And thanks to everyone who keeps talking about
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Speaker 1: to the other official podcast. I appreciate it, but man,
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Speaker 1: every time, is it a little dent my self? Team? No,
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Speaker 1: not really, I do love hearing about it. We are
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Speaker 1: not the official podcast, just fans. This is a love letter.
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Speaker 1: It really is to the game and show from Annie
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Speaker 1: Love Annie, Yes with Samantha supports yes with me as
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Speaker 1: a po like she's mad at you, That's what I'm
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Speaker 1: telling them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Samantha it has been
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Speaker 1: lovely this whole time and has hosted our watch parties.
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Speaker 1: This one was a cheese event. It was very nice good.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I ate all that garlic cheese, so much cheese.
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Speaker 1: I ate the garlic, man, you know those? Yeah? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I loved it. Um well this Yes, we'll have spoilers
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Speaker 1: for the most reason episode episode seven I left Behind
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Speaker 1: and everything that came before. Samantha is my guardian and
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Speaker 1: hopefully not spoiling anything else. I feel like we've done
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Speaker 1: a pretty good job. But it has been difficult. Um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she has too much knowledge I do, and I forget.
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Speaker 1: I forget sometimes, but I feel I feel like we've
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Speaker 1: done it pretty good. So yeah, you should be fine.
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Speaker 1: And yes, this is a temporary thing. We're releasing on
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Speaker 1: Saturdays the week after the most recent episode and it
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Speaker 1: is replacing my Happy Hours, but we will return to
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Speaker 1: regular programming maybe. I think at some point this one
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Speaker 1: content morning for I guess general sadness, violence, trauma, trauma. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess alcohol use potentially, especially among younger people. But suicide,
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Speaker 1: it's suicide. Yeah, So yes, this is based on the DLC,
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Speaker 1: the downloadable content called Left Behind, which I will talk
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Speaker 1: about more briefly in a second. But if you want
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Speaker 1: to know more about that, you can see our recent
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Speaker 1: Fictional Women episode on Riley for more information on her
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Speaker 1: portrayal on the games and comics, which is pretty much
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Speaker 1: the same but a lot more backstory, I would say
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Speaker 1: in that if you want it, you can also see
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Speaker 1: our Happy Hour on the remake that we did kind
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Speaker 1: of recently, the Last of Us Part one remake, and
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Speaker 1: I'll talk about why that matters in a second. But
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Speaker 1: in the meantime, Samantha, do you want to do your
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Speaker 1: wonderful recap? Yes, I can do this all right. So
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Speaker 1: we are opening scene of seeing bloody I guess tracks,
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Speaker 1: essentially going into an abandoned home and where we go
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Speaker 1: to all the way down to the basement and realize
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Speaker 1: that Joel is lying there still at this time alive
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Speaker 1: but barely, and then in a lot of pain bleeding out.
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Speaker 1: For some odd reason, Ellie keeps trying to make him
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Speaker 1: press against his own wounds like he's not bleeding out,
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Speaker 1: but okay, sure, why not. At this point they go
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Speaker 1: back and forth about how to do this. He finally
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Speaker 1: grabs her and says, you've got to go back. You
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Speaker 1: gotta go north and find Tommy. You gotta leave, save yourself.
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Speaker 1: She's like, no, I don't want to, and then he
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Speaker 1: has a strength to push her back, so I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that gushed out more blood there that is, and she
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Speaker 1: kind of looks at him in shock and looks back up,
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Speaker 1: and then she runs up the door, hand on the
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Speaker 1: door to get out, and then we go to flashback.
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Speaker 1: We're in a flashback where she is in the QZ
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Speaker 1: listening to her Sony Walkman, which apparently was a thing
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Speaker 1: in the comics, because if you have listened to that
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Speaker 1: episode you will find this out as I did. And
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Speaker 1: she is running around in the gym. A girl comes
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Speaker 1: and bullies her and says, you know, oh, your protector's
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Speaker 1: not here, what are you going to do about it?
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Speaker 1: They end up fighting. She ends up getting that girl
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Speaker 1: enough injury that that girl has to have seventeen stitches
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Speaker 1: while you know, Ellie has a black guy. She sits
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Speaker 1: in front of an officer who pretty much tells her, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we're trying to make you an officer. You're so good
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Speaker 1: at this. We want you to live the life, because
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Speaker 1: apparently it's not. There's like a hierarchy and if you're
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Speaker 1: an officer, you get all the good things while everybody
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Speaker 1: else doesn't get the good things. And so she's like, okay,
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Speaker 1: I choose to be an officer. Flashed forward to her
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Speaker 1: going to her room where she's in the Stark room
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Speaker 1: with all of her posters. In her room, she pulls
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Speaker 1: out a book. It turns out to be the first
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Speaker 1: pun book and Annie does not have this copy, and
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Speaker 1: it's a shame, and I'm disappointed in you just a
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Speaker 1: little bit yeah, but it's okay. But it's okay. We
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Speaker 1: turned to look that the roommate is not there. Her
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Speaker 1: side of the room is completely empty. We have some
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Speaker 1: moments of ahasad and then she goes to sleep. Next
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Speaker 1: thing we know, someone's crawling through the window. Who could
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Speaker 1: it be? And she tries to cover Ellie's mouth. Ellie
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Speaker 1: like jumps up, pushes her, kicks her, and ready to
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Speaker 1: stab her. Turns out it's Riley, the roommate that has left,
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Speaker 1: and she's been gone for three weeks and for all
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Speaker 1: that Ellie knew was that she was dead at this point,
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Speaker 1: but she's not. She's back, and she's like, where the
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Speaker 1: hell did you come from? Where have you been? A
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Speaker 1: little argument ensues because you know, they argue apparently all
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Speaker 1: the time, and then it turns out Riley has joined
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Speaker 1: the Fireflies, which Ellie thinks as a joke until Riley
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Speaker 1: shows off her handgun and she's like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: you really have a little smaller argument ensues because you know,
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Speaker 1: Ellie's at now right now, like she's not pro pro fedra,
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Speaker 1: but she is more towards Fedra than fireflies. So we
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Speaker 1: have a moment or in exchange and all of these arguing.
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Speaker 1: Riley's like, if you will shut up, I've got a
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Speaker 1: surprise for you. Come with me, throws pants on, makes
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Speaker 1: Riley turn around to put pants on, where I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is so weird. Why do you always do this?
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Speaker 1: She's like to turn around. They get all their stuff,
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Speaker 1: they go down the stairs. They're like, you know, the
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Speaker 1: Federal don't know anything. And then as they're about to
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Speaker 1: go exit, a feder Chuck comes by. She's like, Ellie's like,
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Speaker 1: huh see there, they don't know anything. Huh whatever. So
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Speaker 1: they continue on. They escape through a building which is
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Speaker 1: so many stairs, and she does the things that many
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Speaker 1: of my friends do that I'm very upset about. When
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Speaker 1: they're like, it's not far and then like twenty minutes later,
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Speaker 1: you're like, where the hell am I? You're like, you
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Speaker 1: lie to me. But they finally go up all the stairs,
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Speaker 1: come up to oh, a body, and they go to
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Speaker 1: investigate a dead body. They have a conversation about seeing
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Speaker 1: dead bodies before. It turned out that Riley had because
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Speaker 1: of her parents. There, we find that the dude has
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Speaker 1: a very expensive bottle of whiskey that he had to
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Speaker 1: exchange a lot of cards I'm guessing that's the currency.
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Speaker 1: And then this assumption is that he had taken pills
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Speaker 1: and drank that did this on purpose, so it was
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Speaker 1: now deceased. During this time, he falls to the floors.
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Speaker 1: Very scary. It was a jump scary, y'all. We all
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Speaker 1: well went what we all had a moment. They grabbed
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Speaker 1: the whiskey, which is still fine. These young underage drinking
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Speaker 1: is a no no, but they drank. They're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's move on. So they move on and they come
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Speaker 1: to the roof and they have more conversations about how
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Speaker 1: she got discovered. Turns out Marlene is mentioned at this
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Speaker 1: point and she was impressed with how Riley was able
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Speaker 1: to sneak around in the in the show, and so
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Speaker 1: she was then asked to join. Then they go hopping
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Speaker 1: across roofs, which was like I would die because I
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Speaker 1: would fall down off every immediately. Yeah, Like then none
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Speaker 1: of them like these kids are courageous because I'm like
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Speaker 1: I would have died. It would have been over. As
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Speaker 1: they continue on, they finally make it to their place,
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Speaker 1: which is the mall, which apparently this whole area was
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Speaker 1: supposed to be quarantine and shut off, but it's not.
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Speaker 1: And she's like, you know, there's all these infected, but like,
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Speaker 1: really is there though? M And turns out that the
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Speaker 1: FEDRA had turned power on over there because to extend
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Speaker 1: their territories for more people to have apartments and such,
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Speaker 1: so this area has power. What ruh? So they go
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Speaker 1: into the area, they don't know where they're at, and
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Speaker 1: then Riley's like, shut up, I got a surprise for
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Speaker 1: you if you'll go this way, go take a right,
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Speaker 1: go through the door. Stand there, tell me when you
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Speaker 1: get there. All this zus. Finally Ellie's like, I'm here
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Speaker 1: and then she turns the lights on and oh my god,
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Speaker 1: it's the mall. Yeah, it's them all. And she's like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, we're at them all. Where's the infected?
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Speaker 1: All these things won't they see? And apparently they're bunk
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Speaker 1: and a bunk are essentially so they can't see underground.
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Speaker 1: I guess they're low enough that no one can catch
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Speaker 1: the lights. So she says, I have all these wonders
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Speaker 1: for you, and we're going to call them the Five Wonders.
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Speaker 1: It took me a minute. I had to re like
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Speaker 1: remember where all these were, and we're gonna start off
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Speaker 1: with the electric stairs or the escalators, which is a
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Speaker 1: cute little scene of her trying to figure out what
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Speaker 1: they do and going She's like, I'm not moving, look
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Speaker 1: at me as she goes up a down escalator and
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Speaker 1: then they have fun. She almost does die because he
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Speaker 1: almost fell off of them, and that's the thing. So
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Speaker 1: they finally come to that and she's like, that's fine, yep,
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Speaker 1: I've got to four other wonders. Let's go so they
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Speaker 1: can walk down. They talk about how it was looted
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Speaker 1: at one point in time, um, and of course the
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Speaker 1: most important things were taken first and the unimportant things
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Speaker 1: like lingerie from Victoria's secrets. There's a lot of product
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Speaker 1: placement here, y'all. A lot of product placement, including a
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Speaker 1: spirit which does that? Is that still around store? I
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Speaker 1: would have been in like two thousand and three, right,
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Speaker 1: which yes, so I guess so I guess you're right.
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Speaker 1: There was targeting game spot which I think is still there.
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Speaker 1: So there's no b Dalton, Oh were there? Okay? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So we have a cute little scene about lingerie and
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Speaker 1: having lawhere and being laughing about that because there was
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Speaker 1: a song which really uncomfortable to me as well, it's
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Speaker 1: like why um. But then the whole time we're seeing
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Speaker 1: l a kind of trying to premp herself and like
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Speaker 1: cute because she had planned all these things, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: are we on a date? What? And she's like, close
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Speaker 1: your eyes and they hold hands and she takes her
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Speaker 1: to the next part, the carousel, which they have a
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Speaker 1: cute moment and have a conversation, and then they get
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Speaker 1: a little deeper into the conversation. They're not happy about it,
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Speaker 1: like things are happening about the Firefli's conversation, q Z
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Speaker 1: trying to be an officer, all these things, what are
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Speaker 1: you doing? Why are you doing this? But still sweet.
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Speaker 1: They move on to the next thing, which is the
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Speaker 1: photo booth, and she has a five dollar bill, which
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Speaker 1: is worthless because we see money everywhere. They take very
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Speaker 1: faded pictures with several different poses, which you have said
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Speaker 1: in our previous episode that you can play yeah these
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Speaker 1: things and all the poses are actually in the game.
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Speaker 1: So we have that moment and they come out and
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Speaker 1: they go to the next big thing, which is the
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Speaker 1: arcade Holy and she's come prepared. She's been working on
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Speaker 1: hours to break the machines so they can play. They
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Speaker 1: play their favorite game, Mortal Combat. It's very loud, he's
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Speaker 1: getting loud. They're having fun, and then they go down
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Speaker 1: to where she has a present for her, and they
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Speaker 1: come down. They find out that that's where Riley has
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Speaker 1: been sleeping. She's kind of hanging out there. That's where
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Speaker 1: Riley gives Ellie her the second pun Book ye volume two,
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Speaker 1: Volume two, oh, and so they start reading that off
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Speaker 1: a little bit. They don't understand one of them because
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Speaker 1: they have shot yeah, screen shows like, what's that real funny?
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Speaker 1: And then they find that there was bombs there, that
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Speaker 1: there's homemade explosives. Riley has been stationed there, and they
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Speaker 1: get into another big argument about you know, blowing up people.
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Speaker 1: Would you do this to me? This is you know, terrorism,
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Speaker 1: all these things, talking about how bad these things could be.
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Speaker 1: Why would you do this? Blah blah blah. So she's
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Speaker 1: about to leave, so she finally mets that this is
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Speaker 1: the last time she's going to see her. They're not
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Speaker 1: going to see each other because she's been reassigned to Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: and so she wanted to do this big thing for
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Speaker 1: her and she's asked if Ellie could go, but they
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Speaker 1: said no, So all this heartbreak is happening. This was
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Speaker 1: the big goodbye. Ellie's mad, and she's like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: go fine, and she leaves, and then of course she
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Speaker 1: comes back. They have a more conversation. She's like, I
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Speaker 1: do have one more surprise for you. She leaves, but
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Speaker 1: we do see a second shot of one of the
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Speaker 1: I guess the communicator zombies, which are they're stuck to
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Speaker 1: the wall, but I guess they're they're able to communicate
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Speaker 1: to other zombies to let them know that there are
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Speaker 1: people here. Oh my god, they're here. So that's what
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Speaker 1: we see. So we're all on the edge of our
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Speaker 1: seats thinking, oh, they're coming, They're coming. But then we
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Speaker 1: also hear all of a sudden screaming woman and Ellie,
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Speaker 1: here's a screaming woman. She runs screaming Riley Riley, and
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Speaker 1: she comes to a halloween store with one of those
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Speaker 1: prop graveyards, and Riley says, surprise, this is your finale.
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Speaker 1: I say this for last because I need you would
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Speaker 1: love it. They have another big conversation about, you know,
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Speaker 1: her leaving and whether or not she was sad and
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Speaker 1: mad and why you would do this, and then they
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Speaker 1: kind of make up when she sees the store and
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Speaker 1: everybody like whatever, and turned out Riley had taste stolen
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Speaker 1: her walkman gotten. She's like, you have bad taste the
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Speaker 1: music and puts on the Edda James, I got you
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Speaker 1: babe into the PA system and they put on Halloween masks,
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Speaker 1: get on top of the glass counter and start dancing,
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Speaker 1: at which time I'm like, they're going to fall and die,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't. It's okay, just in my head. They
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Speaker 1: have the best time and they're having a good moment.
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Speaker 1: And she takes the head off and she's like the
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Speaker 1: mask off and she's like, don't go, and Riley says okay,
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Speaker 1: and then Ellie kisses Riley and it's a sweet moment
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Speaker 1: and Ellie goes, I'm sorry, and Riley's like what for?
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Speaker 1: And they both smiled really big, and she's like, what
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Speaker 1: do we do now? She's like, I don't know, And
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Speaker 1: essentially they're going to talk about like staying together. It's
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Speaker 1: really beautiful moment, and then we hear some noises. We
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Speaker 1: hear those noises and then we find one clicker who
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Speaker 1: is very damn fast, goes after both of them, One
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Speaker 1: shoots at them, one throws things at them, they do
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Speaker 1: knife or and all these things. They finally kill them,
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Speaker 1: and then we see Riley looking at Ellie and Ellie
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Speaker 1: going holy, that was amazing, Like I really excited for
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Speaker 1: that moment until she looks down to where Riley is
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Speaker 1: looking down and sees that she's been bitten on the
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Speaker 1: arm and she has a panic attack. He's like, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: And then we look up at Riley and realize that
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Speaker 1: Riley has been bitten on the hand. So both of
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Speaker 1: them are like oh. And then Ellie loses it and
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Speaker 1: start busting at all the glass, screaming angry at all
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Speaker 1: these things, knowing that this is the end. And you
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Speaker 1: see Riley just sitting against the counter, and then Ellie
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Speaker 1: comes over his hits and she's like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? At this point, Riley says,
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Speaker 1: you know, we have we have these options. We can
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Speaker 1: kill ourselves, be we could just be real poetic and
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Speaker 1: and and then she was like, well, what's the third option.
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Speaker 1: She's like, there's not one. So but I've choose to
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Speaker 1: take different people, take different times. I've seen it. It
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Speaker 1: could be two hours, it could be two days, and
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Speaker 1: I choose to make the best of that time. So essentially,
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Speaker 1: I think and I think it'd be poetic to lose
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Speaker 1: our minds together a quote unquote, and you see them
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Speaker 1: just holding in each other. Coming back to the current
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Speaker 1: moment where Ellie was about to walk out the basement,
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Speaker 1: she looks down, runs out the door to look for supplies,
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Speaker 1: scrambles everywhere, looks for things. One comes back and has
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Speaker 1: a needle and thread essentially and is sewing him up.
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Speaker 1: She gives a nod, he nods back, and we see
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Speaker 1: them sewing each other up, and it was super gross.
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Speaker 1: They hold each other's hand and still super gross. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: oh thanks again. It's not always excellent recap this. This
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Speaker 1: episode has a lot to talk about it. I just
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Speaker 1: recommended I think we haven't seen you should watch it.
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Speaker 1: But whatever, it does have a lot of Easter eggs,
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Speaker 1: I will say, especially like in Ellie's room and then
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Speaker 1: things in them all. They have a lot of call forwards,
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Speaker 1: which is what I'm calling them. It's not a callback,
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Speaker 1: it's call forward to what's to come. So that's very fun.
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Speaker 1: And in the like post show thing, they talk about
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Speaker 1: how this is you know, what what was it like
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Speaker 1: to be a kid in this world? And what was
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Speaker 1: it like to skip school. So before we get into it,
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Speaker 1: just very quickly again cere recent episode we did on
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Speaker 1: Riley for Fictional Women around the World for more information.
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Speaker 1: But this episode is based on the DLC Left Behind
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Speaker 1: plus the comic book American Dreams. DLC stands for downloadable content,
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Speaker 1: So basically the game came out in twenty thirteen on
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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. In twenty four team they released this thing
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Speaker 1: that you could download that was like, i'd say, two
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Speaker 1: hour gameplay that you could add on and it was
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Speaker 1: more to the story. And I know the next day
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Speaker 1: I told you, Samantha, but I was kind of laughing
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people were arguing about where this
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Speaker 1: came from. They were like, what, what was this? This
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Speaker 1: wasn't in there? Yes it was. It certainly was more
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Speaker 1: on that in a second two. I do want to
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Speaker 1: say the game mechanics of it are very different. As
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Speaker 1: I said in that Riley episode, it is interspersed, it's different.
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Speaker 1: The main difference I would say is that it's interspersed
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Speaker 1: with Ellie add an abandoned mall, trying to find medical
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Speaker 1: supplies to save Joel. It also kind of shows you
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Speaker 1: how she got him to that house, and she's having
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Speaker 1: these flashbacks to what happened with Riley interspersed between that.
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Speaker 1: But the game mechanics, as I said in that Riley episode,
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Speaker 1: are very different. They're very sweet, Like you're literally playing
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Speaker 1: you have like a water gun fights, and you choose
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Speaker 1: which pose you want to do in the photo booth,
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Speaker 1: and you are reading puns to each other and you
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Speaker 1: can do that at kind of any time until you
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Speaker 1: run out of puns, which I definitely did so so
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a very sweet thing. But over
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Speaker 1: the whole of it is you know how it is,
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Speaker 1: So there's the anxiety throughout. So I think the way
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Speaker 1: they did that in this, even though, like if you've
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Speaker 1: been paying attention they've mentioned Riley several times already, is
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Speaker 1: that when they show you the zombie in the basement
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Speaker 1: against the wall, is when you're like, oh gosh, this
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Speaker 1: is not good. This is not going to end well.
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Speaker 1: So that kind of that anxiety hanging over. If you
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Speaker 1: want more of Riley's backstory, the comic The Last of
19:01
Speaker 1: Us American Dreams has a lot of it. As I said,
19:05
Speaker 1: there was a big backlash to this when it came out,
19:09
Speaker 1: so it was. That was one of the reasons I
19:11
Speaker 1: kind of chuckled to myself even though it's not really
19:13
Speaker 1: really funny the next day when people were arguing about,
19:15
Speaker 1: like where did this come from? Because I think a
19:18
Speaker 1: lot of those people would be like the so called
19:21
Speaker 1: fans who were just so mad at that they didn't
19:25
Speaker 1: even play it or either ignored it. But people were mad.
19:29
Speaker 1: People were med. Not everybody, but there was a pretty loud,
19:33
Speaker 1: small group of people, but very loud who were angry
19:37
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, let's talk about Riley, who this
19:42
Speaker 1: was kind of her big story. She has been mentioned
19:45
Speaker 1: several times in the show, in the first episode, second one,
19:49
Speaker 1: third one, I think the sixth one. Arguably, I don't
19:52
Speaker 1: think like directly, but if you know who Ellie's talking about,
19:54
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, okay, yeah, she is somebody who
19:59
Speaker 1: can stand up to ell As you said, they argue
20:01
Speaker 1: a lot, and like that scene where she's like telling
20:06
Speaker 1: Elliot what to do, like what the stairs taker right
20:10
Speaker 1: and out the door and tell me when you're there.
20:13
Speaker 1: Like very strong personality, but it's it's very sweet. It's
20:20
Speaker 1: like the game is very sweet, and this was very
20:21
Speaker 1: sweet because it's sort of a innocent young love, like
20:26
Speaker 1: the mall date, you know. Yeah, And so when you
20:30
Speaker 1: see especially as you know, as who I don't know,
20:35
Speaker 1: I grew up with that. Ye. When you see like
20:39
Speaker 1: Ellie's face when the lights come on, she's like tier
20:41
Speaker 1: yead because they've never seen anything like that. She had
20:43
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. Um and Riley having this
20:46
Speaker 1: like date planned even though it's like not really a date,
20:49
Speaker 1: but it's pretty much a date. Like I'm going to
20:51
Speaker 1: show you like the best parts of the mall and
20:53
Speaker 1: I've planned it out. Um. I love that part with
20:57
Speaker 1: Ellie's like you planned things and rather it's like it's
21:02
Speaker 1: just very sweet. It's very sweet. Like their first kiss
21:06
Speaker 1: is very very sweet, like you can tell it's kind
21:09
Speaker 1: of their first kiss a sort of clumsy. And then
21:11
Speaker 1: they laugh really loud, all really hard. It's just really adorable.
21:15
Speaker 1: And then when they're like playing Mortal Kombat and they
21:18
Speaker 1: like or just exuberant at the chance to do this
21:23
Speaker 1: which they probably had just you know, read about magazines
21:25
Speaker 1: and scene had never done. And there were so many
21:28
Speaker 1: instances of that in this of like you know, Ellie's
21:30
Speaker 1: reaction to the Escalatorum. And then again, yes, I think
21:35
Speaker 1: I've said this in a couple episodes ago, but their
21:39
Speaker 1: reaction to the Lingerie where they're kind of like, what
21:41
Speaker 1: were people up to? What is this? And then I
21:45
Speaker 1: mentioned also there's a poster for this, like I think
21:51
Speaker 1: it's called that Dawn of the Wolf, which is definitely
21:53
Speaker 1: a Twilight rifle right right that it was coming out
21:56
Speaker 1: and Joel in there's a lot of conversations in the
22:01
Speaker 1: game that you can miss. They're very easy to miss,
22:03
Speaker 1: and one of the ones you can have is where
22:07
Speaker 1: Ellie looks at that poster and it's kind of like
22:10
Speaker 1: what is this? Sential says, Oh, my daughter loved it.
22:12
Speaker 1: I took her to see it and all this stuff,
22:15
Speaker 1: So that's sort of another connection there. I did notice
22:18
Speaker 1: one of my multiple rewatches that went in kind of
22:21
Speaker 1: like zooming into the zombie. Oh they infected in the basement.
22:27
Speaker 1: It's like an American girl doll store or something. Oh,
22:30
Speaker 1: it's not I don't think it's that, but it's essentially that, okay,
22:33
Speaker 1: And it says every story has the beginning over the
22:37
Speaker 1: cross of it, like, oh, yep, okay, then then I do.
22:43
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say I have the I didn't
22:46
Speaker 1: buy this, but it came with something else I bought
22:48
Speaker 1: that was last of us related, But I have the
22:49
Speaker 1: polaroid of Ellie and Riley on my bridge. Very very cute.
22:55
Speaker 1: One thing that they did differently that I don't know
23:01
Speaker 1: that I necessarily like get better in the game, but
23:03
Speaker 1: it's a very cool thing in the game. And it's
23:05
Speaker 1: a big difference is in the arcade because, as I
23:10
Speaker 1: said in that Riley episode, Warner Brothers owns the rights
23:13
Speaker 1: to Mortal Kombat, so they played Mortal Kombat. But in
23:16
Speaker 1: the game, it's this game called Turn the Turning, and
23:20
Speaker 1: when they get to the arcade, it doesn't work, and
23:24
Speaker 1: Ellie is so disappointed, and Riley tells her like close
23:28
Speaker 1: your eyes, and it's a very beautiful sequence of Riley
23:31
Speaker 1: just describing like he chees his knives, what are you
23:36
Speaker 1: gonna do? And Ellie's like kick like it. You can
23:40
Speaker 1: hear like the sounds in her head of what it
23:43
Speaker 1: sounds like, and the the lights are kind of on
23:46
Speaker 1: her on her face, and I think they're going to
23:48
Speaker 1: do that. There's another sequence when they do that, so
23:51
Speaker 1: I think they're saving it for that, but I do
23:55
Speaker 1: I do love that part in the lighting. I thought
23:58
Speaker 1: the whole set was really cool, and like the lighting up,
24:01
Speaker 1: it was really really cool. The masks that they wear,
24:05
Speaker 1: the Halloween masks are exactly from the game. Exactly. Yeah, yes,
24:13
Speaker 1: and this is actually Ellie hates Halloween stuff, by the way,
24:18
Speaker 1: because of this, because she associates it with this and
24:22
Speaker 1: you do encounter it in the games a lot, because
24:25
Speaker 1: you know, Outbreakday was the end of September and so
24:29
Speaker 1: they already had their Halloween stuff out, but she hates it.
24:33
Speaker 1: But one of the other things I wanted to talk
24:35
Speaker 1: about was this whole idea of goodbye, because you see
24:41
Speaker 1: Ellie really not wanting Riley to leave, but sort of
24:45
Speaker 1: struggling with like, well, what how do I get her
24:48
Speaker 1: to stay? Or should I let her go? Or what
24:50
Speaker 1: does she want? And a lot of internal thoughts. There's
24:54
Speaker 1: one scene on the carousel that I think is super
24:56
Speaker 1: cute where you could tell she like almost reached out
24:58
Speaker 1: to hold her hand and then didn't when she's trying
25:00
Speaker 1: to hold her there, and so she that's she kind
25:05
Speaker 1: of has this fight like, oh, you don't care about anything,
25:09
Speaker 1: like leave whatever, I don't care I'm leaving, and then
25:12
Speaker 1: she says like I'm your best friend, if this is
25:15
Speaker 1: what you want, I'm gonna let you do it. I
25:17
Speaker 1: let you go. You should go, and then has this
25:21
Speaker 1: moment after they're dancing of like no, please stay, I'm
25:25
Speaker 1: asking you to stay, and Riley says yes, and then
25:29
Speaker 1: they say like, oh, we'll figure it out together what
25:31
Speaker 1: it is, and it kind of goes back to her
25:35
Speaker 1: fear of being alone, as she said. But one thing
25:38
Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention, as I've told Samith, I've
25:42
Speaker 1: recently learned in the last episode, they were watching this
25:46
Speaker 1: movie right and we didn't know what it was. We
25:49
Speaker 1: just really whatever. But it's called a Goodbye Girl, and
25:54
Speaker 1: she leaves before the ending. And I haven't seen The
25:56
Speaker 1: Goodbye Girl, but basically the plot is Richard Dreyfus's character
26:01
Speaker 1: comes into the lives of this woman and her daughter,
26:05
Speaker 1: and the woman has had a lot of men come
26:07
Speaker 1: and go in her life, and so the girl, the
26:10
Speaker 1: Goodbye Girl, has really gotten used to people not staying
26:13
Speaker 1: around and is expecting this guy to leave all the time.
26:19
Speaker 1: And she in the end sort of learns like that
26:26
Speaker 1: goodbye doesn't mean that's the end, or that that that's
26:31
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be this horrible thing, and she
26:33
Speaker 1: leaves before she sees the ending of it, so that
26:39
Speaker 1: I feel like that was very purposeful. And this is
26:41
Speaker 1: one of the times where you kind of see Ellie
26:44
Speaker 1: trying to say goodbye but then having that fear of
26:47
Speaker 1: being alone. And then also this is like her first crush,
26:49
Speaker 1: like this is the one person she has. She's very isolated,
26:53
Speaker 1: and she doesn't want to let this person go, and
26:56
Speaker 1: she asked her to stay, and Riley says yes, and
26:59
Speaker 1: then of course, because it's the last of us, you can't,
27:07
Speaker 1: you can't. They both get bitten, and then we get
27:12
Speaker 1: to see the difference between how Ellie reacts, which, in
27:16
Speaker 1: the words of Craignising, the showrunner, is very dark and
27:19
Speaker 1: violent and angry, versus how Riley reacts. And he says
27:25
Speaker 1: that's because you know, Riley has experienced loss and Ellie
27:30
Speaker 1: hasn't at this point, or at least not to a
27:33
Speaker 1: degree where she can really remember. And so because Riley,
27:38
Speaker 1: I mean, she talked about like what happened with her
27:40
Speaker 1: parents and this feeling of belonging, wanting that back, and
27:43
Speaker 1: then you know, you see them talk it through and
27:47
Speaker 1: like every second counts and if I can be with you,
27:49
Speaker 1: I want to be with you as long as I
27:51
Speaker 1: can be, because if you think about it, that was
27:54
Speaker 1: a big question people had when we knew we had
27:57
Speaker 1: like Riley's name, we knew they got bitten at the
28:01
Speaker 1: same time in the first game, but they were like, well,
28:06
Speaker 1: so why didn't they die or like why what? How
28:09
Speaker 1: would this come about? Right? And so the answer is
28:12
Speaker 1: that they have this like pact where we're going to
28:14
Speaker 1: stay together as long as possible, but they both thought
28:16
Speaker 1: they were going to die, like when they would have
28:18
Speaker 1: no reason not to think that. And I guess that's
28:23
Speaker 1: another thing where I almost asked you about this before,
28:26
Speaker 1: but ap barely. Some people are arguing about whether or
28:29
Speaker 1: not Riley dies. Um, really she did? Yeah, yeah, well
28:35
Speaker 1: she says it. Yes, she said it in the first episode. Yeah,
28:38
Speaker 1: the very first episode. Yes. But I guess some people
28:41
Speaker 1: can't pick up on it, but I I know. I
28:48
Speaker 1: was I was like literally like, well now do I
28:50
Speaker 1: what do I do? But no, she dies, She's dead?
28:53
Speaker 1: She did? Like sorry he real did they said it
28:56
Speaker 1: in the first episode. I'm pretty sure they like when
28:58
Speaker 1: she in six when Ellie's like, I've lost people too,
29:00
Speaker 1: that's she was talking about Riley, right, and Riley does
29:03
Speaker 1: hang over all of the show, so she's not that's
29:08
Speaker 1: not the end of her, but it is certainly, like
29:11
Speaker 1: I said, that building of tension, because when you're playing it,
29:14
Speaker 1: you know that that's how it ends. It was very
29:18
Speaker 1: very moving. It was very very sad Samantha to get
29:21
Speaker 1: us tissues, me and my friend Katie. I think it
29:26
Speaker 1: was sadder than the game because in the game it's
29:28
Speaker 1: less it's the same conversation, but they're more like tired, um,
29:34
Speaker 1: They're kind of more like, well, here's what we do.
29:38
Speaker 1: And it does cut away before you see them die,
29:42
Speaker 1: which it didn't the show, but in the show it
29:44
Speaker 1: was just kind of I think they've they've made it
29:46
Speaker 1: more emotional. So Riley's death does hang over Elliott. It
30:07
Speaker 1: has shaped her worldview. It is this traumatic event or
30:11
Speaker 1: somebody she cared for, had this crush on, maybe loved
30:17
Speaker 1: died and they thought they were going to die together
30:20
Speaker 1: and they didn't. Because Ellie survives this whole thing, and
30:26
Speaker 1: so she this is part of her survivor's guilt where
30:28
Speaker 1: every time someone she loves dies, and even not even
30:31
Speaker 1: someone she loves, every time somebody dies she has a
30:34
Speaker 1: guilt about it because she didn't. So you see that
30:37
Speaker 1: with Joel after she flashes back to what is going
30:40
Speaker 1: on because she's opening door and she's thinking about leaving it.
30:43
Speaker 1: Then she's remembering what Riley did for her and how
30:47
Speaker 1: Riley stayed there and didn't let her die or kill herself,
30:53
Speaker 1: held her hand, and so she's remembering all of that.
30:57
Speaker 1: But it is like one of the biggest shaping events
31:03
Speaker 1: for Ellie, something that she just just hangs over and like,
31:08
Speaker 1: like I said, when he plays her, you look in
31:10
Speaker 1: the backpack and she just has all of these like
31:12
Speaker 1: she still has the Firefip London, she has the pun book,
31:15
Speaker 1: she has all these things. And you know it hasn't
31:17
Speaker 1: been that long at this point, like maybe a couple
31:19
Speaker 1: of months, but you did want to shout out Storm
31:22
Speaker 1: Reed who nailed that performance amazing. Was so good, Yes,
31:29
Speaker 1: and like honestly like she made it her own, but
31:33
Speaker 1: was exactly like the characterization in the game, so good.
31:37
Speaker 1: And she's already spoken out about like the review bombing
31:40
Speaker 1: the response, and it's been like, I back up what
31:42
Speaker 1: Bella Ramsey said. If that's what you're worried about, you
31:45
Speaker 1: need to straighten up your priorities. Yes, agree, Uh. Something
31:52
Speaker 1: else I wanted to touch on briefly is I think,
31:57
Speaker 1: and I'm going to have a lot of thoughts about
31:58
Speaker 1: this the last episode that we do, but they are
32:03
Speaker 1: they're definitely setting up fedro versus Fireflies in a way
32:06
Speaker 1: that they didn't in the game, or at least not
32:08
Speaker 1: as in depth because that was always there. But they've
32:13
Speaker 1: they've really built it up, and that's all I'll say.
32:18
Speaker 1: And also, I did I think they had that kind
32:21
Speaker 1: of chilling comparison to Kansas City when Riley's like, when
32:26
Speaker 1: if we, you know, free this place and we take over,
32:28
Speaker 1: it'd be so much better. And then we saw what
32:30
Speaker 1: happened in Kansas City when that happened, and that that
32:34
Speaker 1: you know, that's not necessarily to say that would have
32:36
Speaker 1: happened here, but it was kind of I think a
32:39
Speaker 1: chilling pointed comparison. Something else I wanted to talk about,
32:44
Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about very briefly too because
32:46
Speaker 1: no spoilers, but I will say I didn't mention this
32:49
Speaker 1: in the last one, but Joels injury. He falls on
32:55
Speaker 1: a pipe and get stamped through and it's a really
33:00
Speaker 1: cool scene. Word I mean, it's very up saying, but
33:04
Speaker 1: it's very cool where Ellie's like taking charge and having
33:07
Speaker 1: to lead him out and he's kind of passing out,
33:10
Speaker 1: so it's a different injury. Also, Joel's anxiety medication. I
33:14
Speaker 1: didn't know this, but they added that into the remix,
33:16
Speaker 1: so you can see it before the pandemic, before the outbreak.
33:20
Speaker 1: It's on his bedside table, so I guess they kind
33:24
Speaker 1: of did that as a nod as to what was coming.
33:27
Speaker 1: But there have been a lot of articles about it
33:29
Speaker 1: about like, oh, this is exactly like that's how anxiety
33:32
Speaker 1: feels to me, of kind of like your heart stopping,
33:34
Speaker 1: it hit suddenly whenever, and all this stuff. So that's interesting.
33:38
Speaker 1: As I mentioned in a recent Daddy episode, there's also
33:40
Speaker 1: been a lot of articles about single parent based on
33:44
Speaker 1: this and something we'll have to come back to that.
33:47
Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of stuff written lately about
33:49
Speaker 1: Bella Ramsay's comments about chess binding, because I think she
33:52
Speaker 1: said she spent ninety percent of this with chess binding filming,
33:58
Speaker 1: and she was talking about like how you needed you
34:00
Speaker 1: that safely and all that stuff. But there's been a
34:01
Speaker 1: lot of conversation about that. Interesting, yes, so what is
34:07
Speaker 1: to come And honestly, this one's I'm no spoilers here,
34:11
Speaker 1: even if you've seen the trailer, I want to tell
34:13
Speaker 1: you scary stuff is coming. I think it's the scariest
34:16
Speaker 1: part of the game, but that's up for interpretation as
34:20
Speaker 1: always and debates. I was wondering if they're gonna put
34:23
Speaker 1: the infamous rabbit scene in there, and I don't think
34:25
Speaker 1: they are. I don't think they are. We were waiting.
34:28
Speaker 1: I don't think they can. I've thought about it, of course.
34:32
Speaker 1: Well technically I'm trying to figure out how they would
34:35
Speaker 1: do it. Everyone who doesn't know it's like, what are
34:39
Speaker 1: you talking about? This as an insight? Yes? Between us?
34:43
Speaker 1: Uh not y'all who have not seen what's going on.
34:46
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they still have time. It's
34:48
Speaker 1: technically we don't know how Joel is doing and they're
34:50
Speaker 1: going to be in that uh no, I mean stuck
34:54
Speaker 1: for a while. I agree, but I don't know. I've
34:57
Speaker 1: just I'm not sure how they pull it off with
35:00
Speaker 1: a fantasy. But oh, I see, I see what you're saying. Now, Okay, okay, okay,
35:07
Speaker 1: like strategically on no, yeah, okay, okay. If they can
35:11
Speaker 1: do it, they did it. Oh man, I can't wait
35:13
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Everyone's like, what is it going on? Um,
35:16
Speaker 1: there are only two episodes left? Can you believe it? Who?
35:22
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35:24
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35:26
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35:30
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