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Why Would Jeffrey Epstein Claim That Tartaglione Beat Him Up? · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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On tonight's episode, we're going to talk about Nicholas Tartaglioni
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a little bit and how he will not face the
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death penalty in his homicide case. Now, Nicholas Tartaglioni, for
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those of you who might have forgotten, was the man
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who was sharing a cell with Jeffrey Epstein the first
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time around when Epstein allegedly attempted to kill himself. Now
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the question is, why was a man like Nicholas Tartaglioni
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in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place,
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a man who was alleged to have committed some pretty
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serious crimes against some pretty serious people over drugs. Does
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that sound like the proper cell mate for one of
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your most prized inmates. Somebody that you know is a risk,
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somebody that you know could be extraor or hurt or
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whatever else you want to add into that mix. That's
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the guy you want to put into the cell with Epstein. Right,
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But somehow this guy who was looking at four homicides
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ends up in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein and then
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just coincidentally, Epstein decides he's going to attempt to kill
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himself with this guy as his cellmate. Now, before we
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get into the article, the updated article from a couple
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of weeks ago about Tartaglioni and his current case status,
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I wanted to do a quick refresher. So I have
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an article from the New York Post, a relatively short
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article that details what Epstein told his lawyers and stuff
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the day that he allegedly tried to kill himself in
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that jail cell. And it certainly doesn't match up with
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what the official narrative ended up being. So let's jump
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into the first article from the New York Post and
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let's see what Bruce Golding and Emily Saul have to say. Headline,
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Epstein told lawyers that sell May Nicholas Tartaglioni ruffed them up. Now,
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why would Jeffrey Epstein tell his lawyers that he got
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ruffed up by this dude? If he didn't, if he was,
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if he attempted sue, if he attempted suicide like the
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official narrative says, then why would he even bring Tartaglioni
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into it. And furthermore, Tartaglioni says, well, I've saved his life. Well,
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if that's the case, why wouldn't you stop him from
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even making the attempt. You're in that little cell together.
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You mean to tell me you weren't aware that he
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was attempting to kill himself. See, none of it makes sense.
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And the official narrative that they've pitched to us, that
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doesn't make sense either. There's never been a proper look
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at what went on here. As far as the public goes. Oh,
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I'm sure that everybody trusts Bill Barr, right, Republicans, Democrats,
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everybody loves Darth Barr said nobody ever, I certainly have
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never trusted Bill Barr, and honestly, I don't know anybody
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who does. So him telling me that he saw video
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or he has confirmed this or that is not very reassuring.
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And frankly, I don't believe what he has to say.
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Jeffrey Epstein told his lawyers that a hulking ex cop
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inflicted the injuries that left him nearly unconscious in his cell.
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Last month, A source close to the convicted pedophiles case
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told The Post, I mean, how how isn't there more
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being made out of that? When you talk to the
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legacy media, you know you had like the New York
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Times article that tried to wrap things up with a nice,
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pretty little bow, talking about how you know it's been
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solved and there's nothing here. I don't buy any of that, right,
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especially this first time around. What happened in this cell
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the first time around is even more dodgy than him
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dying in the cell alone. You don't just get ruffed
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up when you're in a cell with a guy like
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tartag Leoni on your own. You didn't just try and
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commit suicide all of a sudden. I just don't buy it.
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And there has never been a real good or proper
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examination into any of this. The footage gets lost, the
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cameras aren't turned on. I mean, are you kidding me?
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Right now? Epstein was treated for neck injuries following the
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July twenty third incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in
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Lower Manhattan. Law enforcement officials have said. At the time,
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Epstein was sharing a cell with former Westchester County cop
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Nicholas Tartaglioni, who faces the death penalty a death penalty
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trial in four drug related slayings upstate. Now again, this
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dude clipped people over drug trafficking and the people that
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he ended up killing. According to these reports, according to
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what prosecutors say, they were operators for the cartel. So
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that tells you the kind of serious player that Tartaglioni is.
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You don't get involved in something like this as a
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trafficker millions of dollars kilo's worth of blow and then
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have the audacity to execute operators from the cartel if
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you're not a serious person who's capable of serious, serious crimes.
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So again I ask you, is this the right guy
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to be in a jail cell with Jeffrey Ebstein. Epstein
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told his lawyers that the cop roughed them up, and
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that's why they got him off Suicide Watch, the sore, said.
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Tartaglione's lawyer, Bruce Barkett disputed that account, saying, I spoke
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to his lawyers and they never hinted at that to me.
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But he must have said something to get off suicide Watch.
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Of course he said something. This dude definitely tuned them up,
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in my opinion, and I honestly believe that I don't
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think that Epstein had any desire to kill himself, certainly
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not at this point. This first attempt. Now the second
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attempt or the second time around when he ended up dying,
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still debatable. I've said it a million times. I'm not
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too sure sure what happens in that cell. We haven't
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seen all of the evidence. Can we see some of
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the video please. All we're going on is what the
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official narrative has given us. And frankly, again, I have
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little faith in the official narrative. But this first time around,
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when he was in the cell with Tartaglioni, none of
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that makes sense to me. None of it has ever
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made sense to me. And the fact that it was
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basically brushed under the rug in the aftermath of Epstein's death,
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that doesn't make sense to me either. I do know
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that Nick was not brought up on any charges at
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all in the institution, so they cleared them bark it said,
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Oh that's that's nice, you know, because the institution is
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just the infallible institution. They cleared him because they didn't
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want to deal with it, right, more egg on their face.
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Oh man, now we got to deal with this shit.
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Epstein gets assaulted by this idiot we put in the
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cell with them, And meanwhile, another thing about Tartaglioni, which
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is crazy is a few weeks before he was even
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put to the cell with Jeffrey Epstein, they found a
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contraband cell phone in this dude's cell. So you get
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moved to a better environment, meaning off the main line,
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and put into a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. For what reason.
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The dude should have been in solitary confinement by himself
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if he was found with contraband, But somehow he ends
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up in this cell with Jeffrey Epstein, and there's still
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again no logical explanation for any of that. It's simply
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patently false to say that Epstein did anything other than
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to try to kill himself at least twice and succeeded.
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When he succeeded, Barket added, we were a little worried
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that we would make up something to get out of
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Suicide Watch or try and argue for Belle. But it's
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pretty clear what happened given the end result here. Oh yeah,
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pretty clear what happened anything to get your client off right,
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And now that we know that Tartaglioni's not even going
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to face the death penalty, it's probably a good thing
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that they fought this because he could he could have
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got stuck with another charge here if he was found
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at fault, but I highly doubt that anyone even investigated it.
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Remember Tartaglione didn't decide to put himself into the jail
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cell with Jeffrey Epstein. The administrators of the facility did.
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Who made that call? Can we talk to that person?
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Can that person get put under oath in front of Congress?
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Can we have real examinations of what went on here?
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Or no. The revelation came as Manhattan Federal Judge Richard Berman,
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who was overseeing the child sex trafficking case against Epstein,
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released a Monday letter to MCC's Warden, in which he
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said that what happened on July twenty third remained an
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open question and it still does even Berman, the judge,
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says it was an open question. So where are all
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of these hard charging reporters that are all over the
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place allegedly how about you dig into this part of
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the story. To my knowledge, it has never been definitively
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explained what the Bureau of Prisons concluded about that incident.
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Berman wrote, absolutely right. In a response dated that same day, Warden,
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Lemene and Die said that an internal investigation was completed
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but noted that current investigations by the FBI and the
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Justice Department Office of Inspector General will include this incident
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as well. Yeah, did it. Let me ask you a question.
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With that great report by the New York Times, did
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it include anything about Tartaglioni. It certainly didn't. And I
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asked the author at the time about that too. Of course,
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you know, never get anywhere with it. It's just almost
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laughable at this point, because if I don't laugh about it,
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it will be completely frustrating the way they go about it.
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There are certain things in this story that need to
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be exposed, and this is certainly one of them. This
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whole entire episode here of Tartaglioni in the jail cell
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with Epstein is just so out of control. Accordingly, I
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cannot divulge any information about the prior investigation at this time.
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And Die said, and remember he told that to the judge.
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It wasn't like someone asked him, you know, at a
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press conference. Hey, can you tell us about what happened
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with Tartaglioni. This is the judge asking, and he says, nah, sorry,
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there's an investigation under way. The same excuse they use
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all the time when they don't want you to know
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what's going on. On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr ordered
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the removal of Ndie from his post at the MCC
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after ripping the serious irregularities at this facility during a
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speech the previous day in New Orleans. Oh yeah, you know,
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because Bill Barr is so great at his job. How
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did it work out for everybody with that moron running
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the show? All right? So now that we have the
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refresher course of what Tartaglioni's role is here and the
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question asked why he was in the cell with Epstein,
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let's jump into this next article from the Lowhood. And
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this is a paper from Westchester County, New York, the
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Lower Hudson Valley. And this is an article that was
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authored by Jonathan Bandler, headline lawyer's hopeful Nicholas Tartaglioni won't
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face death penalty as trial set and homicide case. Twelve
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times since last March, the US Department of Justice has
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reversed course and notified accused killers they would no longer
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face the death penalty. And I'm not really too big
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on the death penalty, to be honest with you, unless
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there's overwhelming evidence, of course, then for sure. But I
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just think that there's way too many instances of their
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being shoddy evidence when it comes to something as serious
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as taking someone's life. But when you look at cases
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like this and the evidence is overwhelming, I honestly think
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that this is the perfect example of what a death
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penalty case should be. Multiple homicides, multiple people murdered. Dude's
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an next copy knows better. So I would think long
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and hard if I was the one passing the sentence
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here or dropping the judgment on him, if we were
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talking about the death penalty, definitely somebody that, in my opinion,
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you would have to at least entertain the possibility. That
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is a promising sign for opponents of capital punishment, but
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a far cry from the end of the federal death
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penalty they had expected when Joe Biden became president. The
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piecemeal approach offers a glimmer of hope for Nicholas Tartaglioni,
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the ex police officer charged in White Plans Federal court
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in the killing of four men in Orange County in
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twenty and sixteen. So I guess when you're staring at
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a death sentence, any kind of hope is good. I
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can't imagine sitting there every day wondering what your fate's
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gonna be. But also I would never kill anybody and
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find myself sitting in a jail sell anyway. So there's that.
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Tartaglioni's trial has finally been scheduled for March twenty twenty three,
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nearly seven years after the quadruple homicide, but it could
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be moved up if the defense succeeds in getting the
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Department of Justice to reverse course on the death penalty.
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So he's being charged with the death penalty. Now, the
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question is is that death penalty going to stick or
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is he just going to end up getting life in prison,
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because I highly doubt he's going to get off considering
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the evidence that they have, I highly highly doubt he's
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going to get off. The lead defense lawyer, Bruce Barkett,
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has declined to reveal any details of the defense case
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for why his client should not face capital punishment, just
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as he was mum four years ago when a similar
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similar effort failed under the Trump administration. Tartaglioni was a
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retired Briarcliff mat Or cop who had also worked in Yonkers,
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Mount Verning and Pauling. So he's from my neck of
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the woods. And I've told the story before on the podcast,
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but one of my uncles was actually friendly with uh
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Tartaglioni's brother growing up, and they used to call him
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Tat tat in the neighborhood. Now, I wish I had
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more to give you, but that's all my uncle really had.
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They weren't, like, you know, super close or anything, just
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like neighborhood friends. But it's a small world, isn't it.
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And when I first was looking at this case and
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and and you know, saw this part of it, I
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just shook my head considering where this guy was from.
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I mean, it's crazy. I know a lot of cops
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that work in Yonkers, and for the most part, they're
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all really good people. So just doesn't shock me though
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to see a cop involved in something like this. Unfortunately,
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there's always good and there's always bad, no matter what
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the profession is. And some people like Tartaglioni, they get
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things a bit twisted up in their head and they
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think that they're above the law when they're supposed to
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be enforcing the law. He was arrested in December twenty sixteen,
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eight months after four men disappeared from a bar in
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Chester in Orange County that was run by Tartaglioni's brother.
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The day after his arrests, the bodies of Martin Luna,
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Miguel Luna, Urbano Santiago, and Hector Gutiades were discovered by
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the FBI and state police on property Tartaglioni had been
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renting at the time of the disappearance. So you see
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about the evidence here, right, pretty grim when you're talking
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about against Tartaglioni. You know, you get these bodies are
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found on your property that you're renting after being at
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a bar that your brother owns. It doesn't look good
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for you, doesn't look too good for you at all.
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Tartaglioni is charged with conspiracy to sell cocaine and kidnapping
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and murder and furtherance of the conspiracy. Now what's interesting
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is if Tartaglioni gets convicted of this, which I think
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he will, he's going to have to hit the federal line.
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And A he's an ex cop, so that's a mark
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against him. B If he you know, if he did
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clip these people, which it looks like he did. These
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are cartel operatives, so you know that the cartel hasn't
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forgotten that Tartaglioni was trying to steal their blow, you know,
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trying to get in on their action. So they're going
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to have access to him in whatever federal facility he
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ends up in. If it ends up federal, or even
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if it's in New York, they definitely have a way
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to reach out and touch you. So you got to
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think that Tartaglioni will get p sed up if and
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when his prison sentence starts. According to the prosecutors, Martin
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Luna had owed money for a drug deal. He was
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lured to the Liquid Lounge on April eleventh, twenty sixteen,
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and brought with him his nephew Miguel, his niece's fiance, Santiago,
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and family friend Gutierrez, none of whom had anything to
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do with the drug deal. Well that's questionable at best, Right,
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you're going there for a drug deal. What do you
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think he's bringing you there for. Obviously he was probably
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bringing these dudes there for muscle, right, But still does
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that mean they deserve to get killed over a drug
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deal gone bad? Absolutely not, And anybody who is capable
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of killing people over drugs, is most certainly capable of
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assaulting a guy like Jeffrey Epstein in a confined environment
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like a jail cell. No bos et plus turns conditions
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place he say for details. At the bar, Prosecutors alleged
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Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna with the zip tie before taking
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his body to the property. His co conspirators brought the
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others there, where each of the three were shot in
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the head. Prosecutors accused Tartaglioni of shooting one of the men.
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Biden's campaign pledged to end capital punishment at the federal level,
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has so far not led to an administration policy. Yeah,
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there's been a whole lot of that. Huh f. Fortunately,
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when we had the changeover from Trump to Biden, didn't
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I tell you, folks, it's going to be the same old,
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same old. Don't expect these radical changes, because that's not
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how it works. Those who were in power, the very
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few who were in control, they're still going to be
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in control no matter who the president is. Last summer,
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Attorney General Merrick Garland, another failure, issued a moratorium on
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federal executions while a review of Trump administration death penalty
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protocol changes was ongoing, but there has been no blanket
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policy on emptying federal death row or seeking the death
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penalty and pending in future cases. Like I said earlier,
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I think that we have to be very very careful
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when it comes to sentencing somebody to death. And if
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the Biden administration is taking their time to review this,
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I think that's a good idea. Take as much time
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as you need to review something as serious as this.
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It looks like Garland is trying to fix the death penalty.
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It doesn't look like he's trying to end the death penalty,
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said Robert Dunham, director of the Death Penalty Information Center
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in Washington, DC. He pointed to conflicting signals that make
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it difficult to predict where the DOJ is headed. And
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you see that a lot with the Department of Justice
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in general, a lot of conflicting signals. You don't know
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which way they're going to go. One person comes in
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and you have a drastic change. Then the next person
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comes in, they change it. There's no consistent consistency and
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certainly no equity in the law. On the one hand,
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prosecutors have opted not to seek the death penalty in
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some recent cases. One involved the killing of a law
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enforcement officer in California, a case in which the Trump
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DOJ would have likely sought the death penalty. On the
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other hand, the DOJ is still defending death sentences on appeal. Well,
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they have to. What are they going to do if
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it's on appeal. They can't just drop all of those
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appeals in the middle of the cases. They'll get absolutely
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fried by the media and pundits and people looking to
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score political points. One percent. You can't just drop that
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stuff on appeal. You have to see it through. And
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let's be honest, a lot of the people who we're
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talking about here are pretty bad people for the most part. Now,
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don't get me wrong. There's definitely some innocent people who
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get caught up and end up on death row. And
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that for me is enough to be very very guarded
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and very strict about the death penalty and who gets it.
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Cassandra sub Stubbs, director of the Capital Punishment Project at
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the American Civil Liberties Union, said the moratorium at the
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gradual and the gradual about face on seeking the death
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penalty or a good start, but the lack of more
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extensive policy decisions is frustrating. It's encouraging that it's moving
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in the right direction, she said. The discouraging piece is,
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while it's a significant number, it's only half of the
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pending cases. The DOJ's withdrawal of the of the twelve
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notices of intent came in nine cases spread out around
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the country, in states that have the death penalty and
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those that don't. So again, whenever you get a new
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regime that comes in, they go over everything that the
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previous regime did with a fine tooth comb, and more
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times than not they get rid of a lot of
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policies and institute their own. That's just what happens when
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people get elected. Well, there is no clear common thread.
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One possible pattern does not bode well for Tartaglioni. None
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of the other cases involved more than two victims, and
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that's a big deal. I think that's a huge deal. Honestly,
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when you have multiple victims, we're talking serial killer here
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type shit, right, what is it more than three murders
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or whatever spread out during a certain period of time
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for a serial killer. But the point stands, if you've
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got three or four bodies under your belt, that's definitely
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not a good look for a jury or people who
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are going to decide your fate. Tartaglionies is one of
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six death penalty cases of the twenty three still pending
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that have at least four victims. Barkett would not say
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whether the defense has offered new details related to Tartaglioni,
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or whether they are relying on similarities to any of
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the other withdrawn cases to convince the government. Well, maybe
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you should give them some evidence about Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe
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you should talk about that a little bit. Nicholas Tartaglioni,
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And I'm real interested to see what kind of sentence
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he gets here. If he gets a soft sentence, boy,
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that's gonna set some people off, I'll tell you that much.
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It is possible that they are citing the harsh conditions
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of pre trial detention Tartaglioni faced at the troubled Metropolitan
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Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan. Life saving efforts by Tartaglioni
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when he was in law enforcement are almost certainly part
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of the defense mitigation efforts, and his lawyers could be
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including details of when Tartaglioni shared a cell with financier
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pedophile and accuse sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. Oh boy, that
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would be interesting, wouldn't it. That would be real interesting,
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wouldn't it. I wonder what he has to share about that.
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Barkett has said that Tartaglioni intervened during Epstein's failed suicide
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attempt in July twenty nineteen. Tartaglioni was no longer his
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cell mate when Epstein's succeeded in killing himself the following month. Now, again,
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why was Tartaglioni in that jail cell. Was he put
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there to send a message to Jeffrey Epstein, Look, bro,
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if you don't kill yourself, this is what you have
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to look forward to the whole entire time you're in jail,
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So you better fucking kill yourself. And then, knowing that
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he'd get moved out of the cell, he'd just denied
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that he ever did anything. That's certainly a scenario that
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has legs in my opinion. It certainly is a scenario
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that bears the weight of the facts, and short of
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any other evidence being provided or quality theories being provided,
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That's what I'm working with right now. This dude definitely
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was in there to rough Jeffrey Epstein up or ended
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up roughing Jeffrey Epstein up for whatever reason. But to
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think that this guy is some kind of hero who
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stepped in to save Epstein's life while he was trying
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to kill himself is just ridiculous. US District Judge Kenneth
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Carris was adamant during a conference last month that Tartaglioni's
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trial would begin next March at the latest. Barkett assured
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him that the effort to complete the deauthorization package would
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not distract the defense team from moving forward on other
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pre trial motions. To Caris, the defense and prosecutors reached
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agreement on the schedule leading up to the trial, but
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they differed on how long of a break they should
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have between the guilt phase and the penalty phase if
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Tartaglioni is convicted of any of the death eligible charges.
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Prosecutors wanted a week, the defense sought up to four weeks.
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So they'll probably split the baby and it'll prob end
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up being two weeks. That's what we saw during the
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lead up to the Maxwell trial, and it seems to
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be the way these things work. The judge usually splits
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the baby here and they'll get half of what they want.
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It appeared Karris might disappoint both sides. He said he
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was inclined to start a penalty phase a day or
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two after the initial verdict, worried that a longer break
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would be unfair to the jurors. Well, that's what he
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wants and what he's saying he wants. But like I said,
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I wouldn't be shocked to see this end up ten
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fourteen days, you know, between the two. So we'll have
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to see and we'll continue to follow it because, like
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I said earlier, I think this is a portion of
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the situation with Epstein in the mcc at that jail
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cell that needs more discussion, needs to be looked at
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in a more clinical fashion with a surgical type of
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eye because there is no excuse or reason that anyone
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has presented to me as to why Epstein should be
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sharing a cell with Nicholas dar TAGLIONI. All right, folks,
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that's gonna do it for tonight's update on the way
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