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Ep. 913: My Son's First Turkey, Public Land Controversy, and 2025 Deer Plans · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
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  Speaker 2: the show, Tony and I are kicking off the summer
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  Speaker 2: with a very fun conversation around this past season's turkey hunts,
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  Speaker 2: our biggest plans and projects for deer hunting this coming fall,
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  Speaker 2: and some important public land issues and updates. All right,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast. In this
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  Speaker 2: week it is Mark and Tony's epic kickoff to summer
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  Speaker 2: adventure extravaganza, outdoor Rama podcast fest.
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  Speaker 3: How does that sound, Tony?
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  Speaker 4: That sounds amazing, amazing, Buddy, It's good to have you
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  Speaker 4: back on the show man. Yeah, thanks for having me
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  Speaker 4: buddy today.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to have, like, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: have a little bit a lighter conversation, a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of fun Wired to Hunt. Over the last couple of months,
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  Speaker 2: we've had a lot of habitat stuff, We've had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of conservation stuff. It's been like kind of deep
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  Speaker 2: and heavy content So as we're kicking off summer here
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  Speaker 2: with June finally arrived, feared, we should, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: get the crew back together, talk deer, talk upcoming plans,
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  Speaker 2: Talk Turkey season, because you and I haven't got to
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  Speaker 2: talk about our Turkey seasons yet. And I've got a
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  Speaker 2: great story that I haven't got to tell anyone on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast about yet.
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  Speaker 3: Talk a little bit current events.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a lot in like the public land conservation
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  Speaker 2: world that we haven't explicitly talked about on the podcast yet,
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  Speaker 2: So I want to give some updates there and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, see if there's anything exciting going on for
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  Speaker 2: you or E as we head into this season. Because
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  Speaker 2: what's crazy is it feels like we're going to blink
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it's going to be late
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  Speaker 2: August and we're gonna be racing round to go hunting.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know how it happened. It feels like
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  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 2: I swear to god, it was just January first, and
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  Speaker 2: my wife and I were like planning our year, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, half it's gone.
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  Speaker 3: How does this happen every year?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, buddy, It goes time, just freaking flies
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  Speaker 4: now just flies.
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  Speaker 2: Is it getting worse for you with the older kids
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  Speaker 2: and everything?
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  Speaker 4: It just accelerates When you have kids. It's like your
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  Speaker 4: whole life is spoken for it, like activities and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So like you said, I mean, you're sitting there planning
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  Speaker 4: out months ahead of time what you're going to do,
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  Speaker 4: and it's always like, well, I got to be here
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  Speaker 4: to pick them up, here, got to drop them off here,
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  Speaker 4: they have this choir thing, they have this softball thing, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just like your life is just gone. And
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  Speaker 4: then I mean I was thinking about this this morning.
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  Speaker 4: I left the gym and I was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: I got to go get my blinds out of the
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  Speaker 4: woods now because Turkey season's over. And next week I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to drop cameras off in Wisconsin and cut some
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  Speaker 4: trails and do some work over there, and it'll be
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  Speaker 4: right into deer mode.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, crazy, Yeah, I'm actually going out
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  Speaker 2: to put my, uh or some of my summer cameras
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  Speaker 2: out right when we get done with this, which is
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  Speaker 2: just wild how it shifts and flies. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the things I always thought early on with kids was that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: when they get older, I'll have more time and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure if that's true or not, because I'm in
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  Speaker 2: a window right now where it's it's sort of true.
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  Speaker 2: But I see like the future that you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: with sports and all those things all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: taking away the little bit of extra independence I've gotten out.
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  Speaker 2: The kids are a little bit hands off compared to
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  Speaker 2: what they used to be. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying you're experiencing there, but so it's a
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  Speaker 2: little scary. Your freedom changes.
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  Speaker 4: So having when you have little ones, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: obviously you can't leave them home alone. They'll kill each other,
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  Speaker 4: burn the house down, whatever, So you're like always there
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  Speaker 4: for them, or they're with you, or you have to
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  Speaker 4: arrange for them to have somebody. When they get older
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  Speaker 4: and you can leave, it's it's like they get into
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  Speaker 4: more activities. So like your weekends and your days are
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  Speaker 4: tied up more, but your individual time like go for
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  Speaker 4: a run in the evening or go do you know,
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  Speaker 4: go buy the groceries or whatever changes, so you get
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  Speaker 4: these little bits of time that open up for you
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  Speaker 4: where you're like, Okay, now I don't need to worry
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  Speaker 4: about that, Like I'm gonna go get my haircut. I
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  Speaker 4: don't have to think about what I'm doing with my kids,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but you trade that for them being in
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  Speaker 4: you know, five months of basketball where there's tournaments all
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  Speaker 4: over the state for you know, literally months at a time,
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  Speaker 4: and then you get out of that and it's right
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  Speaker 4: into another activity and you're like, well every Tuesday and
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  Speaker 4: Thursday night is softball and there's four tournaments over the summer,
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, so that you lose those big blocks
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  Speaker 4: of time more. Yeah, So it's tough, like planning. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm you know, you talk about planning your year with
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  Speaker 4: your wife, Like I'm sitting here looking at opening dates
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  Speaker 4: in Minnesota and Wisconsin and where I kind of want
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  Speaker 4: to travel this year, and like when can I get
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  Speaker 4: my daughters out hunting for a couple weekends next season?
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  Speaker 4: And it's already like, well, I can't do that. One
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  Speaker 4: can't do that. One can't do that. One you better
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  Speaker 4: make this one count. I mean, it's just it's a lot, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: So we just wrapped a Turkey season, or at least
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when yours ended, but our season ended
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  Speaker 2: two days ago. Turkey Season of Michigan just did so
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  Speaker 2: speaking of taking the kids out and everything. Did you
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  Speaker 2: guys have a good Turkey season? How was it for
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  Speaker 2: you and the girls?
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  Speaker 4: We had good, good season, buddy. Minnesota went really well
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  Speaker 4: for us. My daughters killed both killed good toms early
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  Speaker 4: in the season. I killed one. I rowed a good
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  Speaker 4: bird here, so we had a good Minnesota season. I
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  Speaker 4: killed a bird on public in Nebraska, bird on public
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  Speaker 4: in Kansas. And then we did one weekend in southwestern
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  Speaker 4: Wisconsin and one of my daughters killed a really good
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  Speaker 4: tom down there. So we ended up killing six for
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  Speaker 4: our family, which is a good spring. So yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 4: the kid thing. Dude. It's like my daughters are. They're
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  Speaker 4: kind of obsessed with stats, like they're at that stage,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and so they've never had neither one of
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  Speaker 4: them has ever had a up until last year, a
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  Speaker 4: two deer year or a two state deer year, right,
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  Speaker 4: So that's how spoiled they are. They're like, well, I've
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  Speaker 4: killed two deer, but we were in the same state,
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  Speaker 4: Like I want to kill one. You know, how old
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  Speaker 4: are they again? They're thirteen thirteen, okay, and then they'd
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  Speaker 4: never even though we've hunted Wisconsin and Minnesota every year
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  Speaker 4: they've either missed or it just hasn't worked out, so
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  Speaker 4: they've for that. My one daughter to kill a bird
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  Speaker 4: in Minnesota a good time and then go to Wisconsin
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  Speaker 4: and kill one. She's she's flying pretty high. Plus she's
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  Speaker 4: the one who killed the barrel last year, so she's
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  Speaker 4: she thinks she's pretty special. She's probably sending in applications
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  Speaker 4: to meat eater right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hey, there's there's precedent for some nepotism at our company,
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  Speaker 2: so I.
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  Speaker 3: Might work out for how dare you a kid? A kid?
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  Speaker 4: But do you.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to see the Peterson girls get a
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  Speaker 2: gig at a meeted or why not come on with.
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  Speaker 4: No shit start making some money girls?
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, I gotta pay their own way.
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  Speaker 2: Did A were any of those any of those hunts
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  Speaker 2: like particularly unique or memorable?
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  Speaker 3: Were they?
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  Speaker 4: Were?
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  Speaker 3: They pretty standard? Tony Peterson, Turkey Fair.
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  Speaker 4: You know with the girls, it's like the blinds, the
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  Speaker 4: scouted out thing like it's it's mostly a matter of
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  Speaker 4: time on those spots. You know, we had we had
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  Speaker 4: good hunts. My one daughter. The one thing that was
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  Speaker 4: really fun about my one daughter, not the one who
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  Speaker 4: killed the bear in the two turkeys, but she has
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  Speaker 4: struggled the most with shooting, so she's just she's she
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  Speaker 4: rushes her shots a lot, deer, turkeys, whatever she like,
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  Speaker 4: wants to get it over with. And so last season
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  Speaker 4: she killed a little velvet spike in Wisconsin the first
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  Speaker 4: night we hunted over there, and she made a good shot.
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  Speaker 4: He died right in front of us, so she was
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  Speaker 4: happy about that. And then she killed a late season
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  Speaker 4: deer in dough in Minnesota, made a good shot that
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  Speaker 4: deer died in front of us. And then this spring
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  Speaker 4: turkey hunting, we had two gobblers come in that hung
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  Speaker 4: up at like forty yards, you know, wide open, you
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  Speaker 4: know it was it was anybody else, you'd be like,
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  Speaker 4: you just kill them, right, But with her, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that's like right, kind of at the line. But finally
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  Speaker 4: one of them finally posed up and stood there forever,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, honey, if you think you can
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  Speaker 4: dump him, just dump him. And she did. And so
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  Speaker 4: her confidence has gotten way higher. And seeing that, because
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  Speaker 4: that's been a real challenge with her, and seeing her
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  Speaker 4: just stringing together multi weapon good shots on different species
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  Speaker 4: has helped a lot. So But yeah, like I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know how this is dude. I had a ton
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  Speaker 4: of fun hunting with him. You know. I kind of
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  Speaker 4: knew we were going to kill birds in Minnesota because
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  Speaker 4: where we're hunting, but I went and kind of took
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  Speaker 4: a flyer. I hunted Nebraska and Kansas in probably planned
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  Speaker 4: less for those hunts than I ever have in my life,
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like just go into an area, find
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  Speaker 4: a place to camp, find a place to hunt, figure
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  Speaker 4: it out. And I had so much fun. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: so much fun. And I know we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 4: this later on the public land thing, but that is
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  Speaker 4: just like to me, being able to go do that, right,
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  Speaker 4: It's a gift, no question. But while I'm down there
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  Speaker 4: in Nebraska, I found a spot where I'm like, I
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  Speaker 4: think I can't do it this year because we're filming
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  Speaker 4: a project, so I got to save my tag. But
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  Speaker 4: I found a place where I'm like, I think I
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  Speaker 4: can kill a big one early when it's super hot,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's that's cool. That's a part of it.
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  Speaker 4: You know. The turkey thing was really fun, but that
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  Speaker 4: was cool too. And then in Kansas where I killed
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  Speaker 4: my bird, there were pheasants and bob white quail all
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  Speaker 4: over and you know the quail thing. People talk about
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  Speaker 4: this all the time, like there's no quail left, there's
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  Speaker 4: no Bob Whites on public and I've you know, like
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  Speaker 4: I've found them in a few states and hunted them,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, it's been a few years now, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm probably gonna have to wait till January.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm like, I'm going down to Kansas with my
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  Speaker 4: lab and I'm gonna go shoot quail on public land.
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  Speaker 4: Somehow I'm gonna figure it out. And it's like I'm
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  Speaker 4: actually really excited about that. And I always think about
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  Speaker 4: that because you know how this goes. You go for
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  Speaker 4: a reason, right You're like, I'm gonna go kill a
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  Speaker 4: buck on public land in Ohio, or I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 4: take a flyer on some state, and inevitably when you're there,
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  Speaker 4: when you're driving there, or you're driving back and forth
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  Speaker 4: from camp to where you're hunting, you see some kind
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  Speaker 4: of critter, you see something where you're like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: fish here, I'm gonna hunt here, I'm coming back, and
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  Speaker 4: it's like this thing that never ends. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: public land is like this hot topic right now, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm like it's so valuable for that reason, Like you
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  Speaker 4: you might not use it, like you might not have
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  Speaker 4: any interest to ever go hunt public gland white tails.
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  Speaker 4: And that's great, but that's not the only thing going on,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And I can promise you I'm I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to go kill Simbob white quail on public land. And
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  Speaker 4: people will be like, you can't do that. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: be like, I'm doing what you say you can't because
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  Speaker 4: there's public land available with quail on it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And I think that shit's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's so it's so amazing that we have
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  Speaker 2: just the opportunity to dream about that, like to sit
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  Speaker 2: here and be able talk about, Okay, this is a possibility.
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  Speaker 2: We're not rich, we don't have some huge private preserve.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have millions of dollars or millions of acres
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  Speaker 2: of all this kind of stuff like you might need
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  Speaker 2: to have over in Europe, gonna have high dollars, a
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  Speaker 2: serious bank account to be able to do some of
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  Speaker 2: these things over there. But any Tom Dick or Harry
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  Speaker 2: over here can go off and have these kinds of adventures.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's so funny. Growing up you it just was
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  Speaker 3: like the way it was.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought twice about it, never thought about how
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  Speaker 2: it was that we get at these places, or how
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  Speaker 2: special this was, or how unique that is. But man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm taking off tomorrow afternoon, heading out towards
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  Speaker 2: our place out in Idaho, and you know, for the
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  Speaker 2: next two months, any random day, any weekend, We've got
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  Speaker 2: free places we can camp, and free places I can
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  Speaker 2: hike and go fishing, or scout for a future hunting trip,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: or you know, go rafting down a river. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: absolute bucket list stuff I can do for basically the
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  Speaker 2: cost of a tank of gas and feeding myself. We
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: can do that for weeks on end if we wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's the most unbelievable thing that we've got going here.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's pretty special. It's badass. Yeah, man, Well you
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  Speaker 2: know what what else is badass? What For the first
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  Speaker 2: time ever, the Kenyan family killed two turkeys in the
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  Speaker 2: state of Michigan this year. And it's not because I
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  Speaker 2: poached and killed two myself. It's because we're only allowed
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  Speaker 2: to kill one turkey per person in Michigan. So that
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  Speaker 2: means I killed my turkey and my son killed his
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  Speaker 2: first turkey.
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  Speaker 3: Ever. How old is he he's seven?
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, Yeah, so he's been.
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  Speaker 2: No, he didn't, he was. I mean, he was really excited,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't like crazy. It was like just very excited,
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  Speaker 2: very proud, just like a huge smile on his face.
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  Speaker 2: And then like the kids say dude and bro all
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  Speaker 2: the time now, so he's like, dude, bro, dude, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe that just happened.
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  Speaker 3: Dude. That was so amazing. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, but it's so cool because you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you with your girls. He's been out there with
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  Speaker 2: me every year since he's been born, Like when he
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  Speaker 2: was four months old, wrapped him to my chest and
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  Speaker 2: we'd walk around the woods and I'd try to strike
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  Speaker 2: up gobblers and so he was hearing gobbles when he
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  Speaker 2: was four months old. And then the next year when
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  Speaker 2: he was able to toddle out there with me, he
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  Speaker 2: was sitting down there and I would do these practice
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  Speaker 2: turkey hunts. We've talked about this in the past, where
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  Speaker 2: I would just take the boys out and try to
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  Speaker 2: call in birds, you know, without even a gun. We're
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  Speaker 2: just like trying to get birds in there close and
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  Speaker 2: get am used to that and have fun with it,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, year after a year, we've had more
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  Speaker 2: and more of those experiences, and then you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember how long ago it was, but maybe four
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  Speaker 2: years ago he started coming out with me for like
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  Speaker 2: real hunts, and then last year we had our first
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  Speaker 2: successful hunt together where my oldest was with me when
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  Speaker 2: I killed a bird and that was really cool. He
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  Speaker 2: was like, we struck up a gobbler and the spot
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  Speaker 2: we weren't expecting, so we had like belly crawling prone.
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  Speaker 2: This wasn't like in the blind kind of thing. I
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  Speaker 2: think I told you this story last year, but the
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  Speaker 2: broad stroke, so that we were laying prone, he was
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  Speaker 2: laying on my back, had a bird like come into
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  Speaker 2: this field in front of us, kind of did a
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  Speaker 2: one to eighty around us. We had to like continue
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  Speaker 2: belly crawling through the woods to get to an open
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  Speaker 2: position and finally got a shot this bird and that
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  Speaker 2: was so cool. So this year, you know, he's been
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  Speaker 2: asking to go hunting forever. He's been like, of my
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  Speaker 2: two boys, they're both into the outdoors, but Everett has
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  Speaker 2: always been like really obsessed, like pretending to be hunting
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  Speaker 2: since he was like two years old with a pretend
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  Speaker 2: bo or gun and just really into everything. Shooting is
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  Speaker 2: bb gun, then shooting at seventeen and at twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: and we got him a calm, humble last year when
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  Speaker 2: of those like little Mini, I think it's a diamond
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  Speaker 2: or whatever the botech offshoot is. Yeah, and he's been
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  Speaker 2: shooting that good. So he's just been he's been ready
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  Speaker 2: and wanting to hunt deer, but I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: do that yet. But I thought like turkeys would be
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  Speaker 2: something I think he's really ready for. He's been doing
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  Speaker 2: it with me for a really long time. So the
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  Speaker 2: question was just like, all right, if we can get
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  Speaker 2: him comfortable with a four to ten, I think he's
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  Speaker 2: like mentally ready. He's done all the hunt stuff with
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  Speaker 2: me a thousand times. He's been on a lot of
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  Speaker 2: deer hunts. Now he can he can handle himself in
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  Speaker 2: the woods well, so if I could, if he'd be
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  Speaker 2: comfortable with the four to ten, then then we're gonna
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: do it. And so, long story short, my wife's dad
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: gave him an old four ten of his and this
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: winter and spring he was practicing with that and very
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: comfortable with it, and so we were gonna go for it,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: and had a lot of fun hunts to spring with
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: him kind of prioritize, like getting him a bird before
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: me of course. So I mean, just like you've had,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: we just such such great memories, so much fun. We
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: don't do it the way you do it, as I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: understand the way you do it with like sitting in
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: a blind for long periods of time. I'm a d
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: D when I turkey hunt, so I'm like the we
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: call it walking squawk, So just kind of walk around,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: you know, like call try to strike something up, and
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: if you do, you know, make a move on him
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and just kind of running gun it. And so we
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: had like some really fun hunts that way that didn't
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: quite come together but close. Like one time both of
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the boys want to go out, so I had my
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: seven year old and my five year old and we
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: struck up a bird. We actually were hiking into a spot,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: came over hill and saw some toms in a low
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: spot in the fields trotting around. So then we backed up,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: circled into this timber, got set up on a tree,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: tried to call him in. They gobbled back, So I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: thought that was on. But then I looked behind me
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and on the other side of this little woodlot word
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and I'll cross another field. We got another gobbler that
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: came in like on a string. This bird comes barreling
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in and gets to fifty forty five fifty yards kind
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: of circles around us, but too far away. So a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: bunch of cool stuff like that happened. But this is
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a long winded way of getting to the final ultimate hunt.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I decided to do like a turkey weekend with my dad.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I invited my dad down to come and turkey hunt
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: with me and ever see if we could get him
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a bird and my son a bird.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: So for that, I was like, all right, I'm gonna
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: set up a blind in like.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: This best spot I know of, and we'll actually do
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: some sitting and waiting in this spot because it it'd
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: be hard to do the running gun with my dad
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: and Everett. But so set up a blind back in
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: this location where historically there's been birds roosted pretty close
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: in the past. Usually sometime in the late morning, something
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: will circle through here. It's actually right in the same
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: plot where my son and I killed one last year,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and long story, shorts struck them up off the roost.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: They're goblin like crazy, really exciting. This is our second morning.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: First day, it didn't happen. Second day, this is when
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this all happened. And they're goblined like crazy off the roost.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But then they went quiet filed some hens off. It
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: seemed like maybe an hour later, here comes some birds
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: into this little opening, little plot, and it was six jakes.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And I told, you know, ever, like, hey, if you
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: want to take a jake, awesome. If you want to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: wait for a tom, that's great too. It's this is
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: really your hunt, whatever you want. And so he was
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I'm going to see what at how
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I feel in the moment. And these birds get to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the edge of the plot and then hang up, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: they just don't want to come in. They're just like
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: looking around, and some deer had spooked. A deer got
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: down window of us. Deer had spooked not too long
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: or not too long before that, so this.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Deer had been there.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: They're kind ofly edgy and they hang up, look around.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I call, They start walking my way and then they
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: walk away from us.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I call again.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: They come back to the edge, poke around, and then
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: turn and go back the other way.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And this would literally have.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I had two of our Dave Smith's a jake and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a feeding hen like ja, yeah, the corset jake and
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the feeding hen and and yeah, they just didn't want
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to commit to it for whatever reason. And they stood
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: there right on the edge of this plot. It was
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: about twenty to thirty minute interaction. And this whole time,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: like as soon as they showed up, my son had
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: to get ready. So he was ready gun out the window,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: holding still, and then he can't move, so he's, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: try and hold still, and he's getting tired, and so
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I I have to like kind of slowly reach over
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and give them some support to hold the gun for
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a while. And and finally they look that they're gonna leave,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and so that I just kind of went cram like, well,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: hell mayor with the calls, they're just like kikiki run
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: run around, like just just going cutting and cutting and cutting,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: just like annoying, just you know, nothing to lose.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: And then that turn them around.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: They came barreling into the decoys finally, and uh, problem
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: is they all stayed in one big cluster ball, so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: all six of them were doing you know what those
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: birds do, Like have you ever seen one of those?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: There's a clip from like a plane earth show or
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: something where there's all these flamingos all marching together in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: line in formation, like they're in a huge cluster, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: all their heads are pointing went and they all are
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: moving like this, and they all move together on the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: right as if like they're like like an army parade,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you know how they're all like strutting together.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: It was like that with these six jakes. They would
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: not separate.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So like every time a bird kind of separate, everyone's like, okay,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: can I take that one to the left, and like yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no no, And then like what about
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: that one, Like okay, yeah, take him?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Then no, no, no no. So that went on for
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: four and a half.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Minutes because I filmed this whole part, and finally, what
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: looked like probably the biggest of the jakes finally like
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: kind of half strutted and puff puffed up next to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the Deeks and the other five were just far enough away.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the one, and uh, and he dropped it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: It was super exciting. He was excited, and like I said,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: he was saying.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Dude and bro a lot and uh and it was
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a really nice, you know, just good big Jake, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it was awesome, awesome experience. He handled like a pro.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He was very very proud, very excited to be able
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to m Yeah. I helped him a little, but he
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: carried it mostly himself and just just great to see
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like that next step taken for him. He's been you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: following along with me for seven years now, and uh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I mean it's I can see why you've been, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: loving all his years.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: The way you have this is so fun.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, pretty are special.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: That situation where when you have a kid it happens
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: with Newby just any Newbye Turkey Hunter two when they
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: come in all wadded up is like intense. A couple
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: of years ago, after my daughter's had that just melt
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: on where they shot nine times and we got one Jake.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: The next night, I took my daughter back out and
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you gotta get back on this horse, buddy,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: because that was a that was a bad performance. The
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: day before I called in fourteen. So there's five or
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: five Toms and nine Jakes came into the decoy and
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: it was just like holy shit, like we gotta like
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: do not touch one off until we get one that's separate.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Because we could kill like six at one time.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: You can get your nine shots back all in one dude.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But so that's that situation is intense. But that's awesome, man.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was cool. And uh and yeah, now he
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: wants to you know, of course, he's like, now I
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: got a turkey, then I can shoot a deer too.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: You know I can't. But no, we're gonna We're gonna
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: wait a lot. How old were your girls when they
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: took their first year?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I think I took him hunting when they were eight.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: But like they were on the trigger, yep, okay.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Because I had taken them hunting before that. I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the first time they actually did hunt was when they
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: were eight, but they didn't kill anything until they were nine.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: And the time that I took them first was one
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: weekend in the whole season and it was just a
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: short deal. They didn't really get after it till they
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: were nine. But they both killed deer when they were nine.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, that's gonna be. I gotta figure that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: out when when I want that to be. I know
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: he can handle himself. I know he can do it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He can he can you know, he can shoot a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: rifle really well, he's shooting a seventeen rifles, not shot
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a three fifty or anything yet. But he can handle
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: himself on a rifle really well, Like he's physically able.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: For me, I just want to more still figure out
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: when he's mentally mature enough, you know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the deer things different than Turkey's man.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Like if I were if I were you, I would
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: get one of those death grip bog pods and make
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: sure that the SHOT's going to be like fifteen yards
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: kind of thing, like just you know, And we haven't
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: had this happen yet. We've been pretty lucky so far.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: But my girls haven't spined one. We haven't had a
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: really ugly death yet, which was my big fear. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I think now you know, they've been through it enough,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I you know, And it might be different with boys too,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: like your your son might shake off. You just don't
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: want to risk it, you know, like you want to
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: keep away from that spine. You want to make sure
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: that it's a yeah, it rides away seventy yards and
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: tips over.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Were you on the podcast when I was talking about
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: what happened with me and my son last year on
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: a dough I shot and it charged us. Tell you
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that story, dude, it's crazy.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: The very like the thirty second version is that I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: shot a dough.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: It was like snow and a ton.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to pick up the blood trail fast
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: or sooner than I would usually, just because I don't
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: want to lose that blood. And we walked up on
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: her when she was still alive, and so I took
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a second shot to finish her off, and she stood
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: up and charged right at us, and literally like I had,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I had to step in front, I pull my son
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: behind me, stand up with my arms up and screaming
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: at her, yelling to try to stop it. And then
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: it collapsed like within five yards of us. It was
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: crazy and so and so you think she intentionally was
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: charging you, I don't think. I don't think she was
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: intentionally charging me. Like she never even looked at me.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: She was just like it just happened to jump up.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And he was like running like head down almost, you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: just we just happened to be right there. So he
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: saw some crazy stuff at that time around right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I know Tom Doc and the dog trainer. He was
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: shed hunting a couple of years ago. In one of
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: his I think it was a standing corn food plot
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: he had, and his dog bumped up a buck and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: it came through that food plot and hit him, just
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: barreling out of there and knocked him assive her apple cart.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: But I was hunting one time in college. I had
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: gotten permission on this We'd been trout fishing this stream,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: and I kept finding all these crossings on there. So
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I just went up and knocked on the door and
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: they let me hunt this place. And it was down
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: in the you know, bluff country along the river. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: was down in Winona, and so you're in all these
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: big valleys. And I walked into this valley one time
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and just sat on the ground in this place to
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: kind of cross through once in a while, sitting there,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: and I had a little buck coming in bed behind me,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: and I had already filled my buck tag, and so
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I just watching him. He came in, and you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: he was like fifteen yards away, and he got up
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: to leave, and I bleeded at him just for the
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: hell of it, just like for something to do. And
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: when I did, I heard another deer start just barreling
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: down the hillside like above me, you know how it is,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: And like a you're like in an amphitheater almost yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: And so I looked and there was a dough coming
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: like full bore, and so I drew and she came
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: around the tree at like as fast as a deer
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: can go and hit the brakes and I could have
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: just reached out and touched her, and she kind of
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: like recoiled when she figured out I was standing there,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and she hopped like ten yards and I laced her
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: and she ran and tipped over, and I was like,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: that was crazy, Like she came she heard me make
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: that bleat, and she came down so hard, and I
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: was thinking about it, and I had found it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: a long highway fourteen this farm was, and I had
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: found a like a yearling doe dead in the ditch
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: like that day coming in, and I'm like, oh, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: wonder if that deer's fawn got hit And she hadn't
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: like pieced it together, because that you know, I've bleeded
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: at a billion deer and I've never had a response
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: that was like she was like, holy shit, there's what
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I'm going to now, and it was like a crazy response.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: It was the only time I've ever had that, So
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: it could be maybe that wasn't it, but I was like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: maybe she had lost her fallen like a day before,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: and thought maybe, you know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've had really good success with like that
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: kind of fawn and distress.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Blate that that will. They will come tearing into it,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: They really will.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wild.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: So speaking of deer though, let's I'd love to hear
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you know, what's like the big thing you're most looking
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: forward to coming up this year when it comes to
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: deer hunting. What's your big exciting trip or priority or
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: thing you're working on this summer or looking forward to.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: You know, honestly, this is gonna be so boring other
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: than with the girls. And I should say this too.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I got permission to hunt a badass place for bears
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: here in Minnesota, which I am like a little torn
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: on because I don't like the thirty second version of this.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I ran into a guy used to fish a lot
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: of tournaments against earlier this spring, and he sold his
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: business quite a while ago for a lot of money,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: like walk away and never do anything again. So he
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: owns thirteen hundred acres in one spot an hour north
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: of me A in the no quota zone in Minnesota.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: So essentially you can buy an over the counter bear
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: tag every year because they don't want bears south of
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: a certain point. Gotcha. So he was like, he killed
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: like the number five biggest non typical in Minnesota ever
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: a few years ago, giant like it was something it
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: was in the one eighties, net one of those deer
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: that's just like a you know, mass for days kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: of thing. Anyway, talking to him, you know, we were
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: talking about deer, and then he said, you know, my
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: only problem is I'm covered in bears there and nobody
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: will shoot him. And I'm like, hey, buddy, I've got
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: two thirteen year old girls who will shoot all the
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: bears that we can, and so we have that. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I'm actually like, we're excited about that because I'll be
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: able to do real like bear work, Like I'll be
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: able to set things up and bait it and it
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: won't be like i won't be driving several hours at
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a time and not there for many days at a time,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: like all my bear hunting has been like very kind
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: of piecemeal because nothing's close to me. And so I'm
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: actually kind of excited for that, other than potentially having
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: dead bears to deal with, which I'm not that excited about.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: But we'll make it work. We'll eat them, they'll get
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: their bear rugs or whatever. So I'm excited for that
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and just hunting with them in general, because we're starting
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: to do you know, you talked about like put your
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: back to a tree with your son versus sitting in
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: a blind. Last year, we started doing natural blinds deer hunting.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: This year, I'm setting up tree stands for my girls
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: so we can sit together. So we're like expanding that
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: thing because I'm sick of sitting in blinds and so
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: are they. And after they both killed deer out of
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: natural blinds last year, they're like, Dad, this is how
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: we're going to do it, you know. So that process,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: that's kind of what I'm going to be working on
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: next week. I'm excited for that. But like personally, you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I've talked about that that big wood stuff that I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: hunt over in Wisconsin a lot, and you know my
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: struggles on the public land over there. Last year, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: found a concentration of good bucks, you know, almost almost
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: got one, like a one point thirty with my daughter
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: sitting on the ground in there, just super freaking cool.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I went back there to hunt, Uh, had a great hunt,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: almost killed a nice eight point in my first morning,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: hit a deer that night, wrecked my truck over didn't
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I didn't get to do what I wanted to. But
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I went back there this winter and this spring and
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I scouted and I put way more time into that area,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, my focus is get the girl some
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: deer early, and then I just want to go have
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: like a good like give that area a good effort
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: because it's just that fun, big wood stuff. And last
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: year it was like, I mean, I hunted Iowa. Last year.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: When I left Iowa, I went over to Wisconsin in
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: the Northwoods, where the deer concentration is like ten percent
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: of what you're going to run into where I was
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: at Iowa. Like literally, I'm not even really being facetious.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: And the sign that I found in the concentration of
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: bucks that I found was better than what I found
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: in Iowa. That's crazy. I just I have a few
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: theories on it. I don't know if I'm right or not.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: But the easy access died a couple of years ago
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: when we had this crazy heavy snow that just weighed
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: everything down. And it's like to get to these deer
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: now even though they're not very far away from a road.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Is just a different thing than going down a very
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: clear two track with a four wheeler or just walking
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: in and I think that was the difference maker. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: so that's part of the reason I did a lot
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: of walking in there this year, because I'm like, are
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: there people even hunting in here anymore? And every tree
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: stand I found, which there's supposed to be none, every
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: one of them is a stand I've seen for years,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, I didn't see anything new, and I'm like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I think people are just staying out of here, and
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: that's why those bucks moved in here and were concentrated.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know how long that'll hold up,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: because it'll get open again, but that that little challenge
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: is like my most exciting thing right now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you gonna run cameras out there?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Can't? You can't on this. So this is private land
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: open to the public. Wisconsin has a great program for that,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: and so I think I should check this, but I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: think technically you have to get permission from the landowner
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: whoever owns it, to run cameras. So I just don't,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: which is weird, right, because you're like showing up and
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: you're like, there's sign, there's everything. But every deer that
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: shows up is like a kind of a mystery deer.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: But I don't mind it, you know what I mean,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Like it's just kind of like you just whatever, you
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: play by that rule now, you know, but it's it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: And also, I'll tell you this, not being able to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: do that has forced me to just walk in scout
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: a lot, you know, because you can't go in and
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: be like, well, I'm just gonna monitor this trail for
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: a month and if this doesn't work, so I'll move
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: my cameras. And so it's like a different thing, you know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: But that that just that area just got under my
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: skin and I'm still dealing with it and I can't
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: get past it. I got to figure it out.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So that's fun, those those new little challenges, I mean
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to what you saw with the camera thing. I love
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: my cameras. I'm gonna keep running cameras, of course, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I do find myself more and more interested in just
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: some places, not doing them on purpose, right, just to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: keep that mystery in some spots, you know, because last year,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like on my main Michigan area, you know, in any bucks,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I was interested in shooting disappeared early on, and then
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I just found myself like increasingly less and less excited,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: less and less interested. Like I'm going out there, I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like not even feeling like there's a chance. I'm kind
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: of going through the motions because I haven't got pictures
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of a deer in seven weeks. I would shoot, But
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: here I am. While if I had just gone into it,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you know, with a different set of expectations and just
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: been out there for the fun and the mystery of it,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: you know, probably would have enjoyed those hunts a lot more.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's pros and cons to everything, but
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that mystery is nice sometimes.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I like ha them both. Man. You know, I'm going
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: to go drop a shitload of moultries off on private
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: land over there next week, and you know, for the girls.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: You know, I if obviously, if I found a giant
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: or something that I could work with, I'd probably pay
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: attention to it. I just don't anticipate that, but I
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: like that, man, Like I like, you know, I'm going
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: to go down probably probably sometime after the fourth Steve
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: and I are going to spend some time in Nebraska,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: this pole on a private place, and I'm really excited
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: to run cameras there because I think it's going to
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: be really good. And there's a you know, a river
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: running through this place, and so I look at that,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm so jacked to start getting pictures from there.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: But I'm also looking at a time window when I
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: can head out to North Dakota and hunt where I
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like to hunt, where I'll have no intel, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I'll show up in glass and so I think, I
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: don't know, man, you know how this goes? Like it's
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: really nice to give yourself a few different options like that, because,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: like you said, you know, if you're primarily sitting there
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: and you're like, all my Target bucks are gone and
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I know it because I have a lot of cameras out,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: then there's like something missing for that part of your season,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: like you just don't have the desire to go. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: if you're like, well, I don't have any Target Bucks
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: right now, but I'm heading out to North Dakota in
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: a week and I don't know what's going on there,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: but I don't care because I'm gonna have to go
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: find them. In the moment, it just like sort of
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: balances that stuff out a little bit.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Now we've talked about for years like that having options
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: or having diversity, just just just having some different things
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: makes at all, you know, a lot more fun in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: many different ways. So I will be running a lot
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of cameras in one state this year because I'm my
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: friend should be drawing Iowa. Yes, So I'm excited to
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: get back there. I've not hunted Iowa in too long
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: because I after my last time in Iowa when I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: missed a giant eight point on the last day of
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: one week in November that first year, I was kind
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of butt heard about it the next year and forgot
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to apply for a point that year. So I've had
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to wait longer than usual, but finally got back on it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: And this year should be the year.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Knock on wood, Are you gonna hunt back down in
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: the same area again.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same area, So I've got access to a couple
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: of different spots down there with our mutual friends and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: we'll be looking for redemption.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So about that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And also, like you know, that year in one week
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in November because of the fact that you know, we
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: were there for work and we were filming that show,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, things you know, weren't going my way.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So I felt like, you know, there was just zero
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: room for any fun. It was like, I'm hunting all
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: day every day. If I'm not in a tree, i'm scouting,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I'm moving, I'm you know, getting back late because you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we're in deep and we're sneaking out as quietly and
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: slowly as possible, and we're in their way before, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: just like everything was two thousand percent focused on how
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: do you kill a good buck here? Right while at
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the same time, a couple of my friends from Michigan
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: were also there in Iowa with our buddies that live
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: there in Iowa. And so like my whole friend group is,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they're hunting together, and they're going out to eat at night,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and they're meeting up for lunch and hanging out and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: having a good time and they're just having a terrific experience. Meanwhile,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I am, you know, killing myself to try to kill
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a deer, not doing any of that stuff for them,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and uh and then I didn't even kill it ere
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So this time around, I'm going there for the full experience.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna, of course, try to fill a tag and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: so you're gonna film stuff.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna film it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: No.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Wow, dude, I know that you hear this a lot
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: about one week in November. I mean that's the one
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: project people are always like, when are you bringing that back?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: And I mean I would do it again because I
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: think it was a really good show. But that week
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: sucks so much. I mean you're yeah, I mean it's
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: just you know, it's a dumb thing to bitch about.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna anyway, when you when you get into
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: that week and you're you're dragging a cameraman around and
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: you have that pressure to kill it's, uh, by the
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: end of that week, you are like, I am done
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: with this, like done.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: And it feels like one month in November.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: It's a it's a heavy lift, man, I mean it's
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: it's so great when you kill one, like it's that
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: it's really fun when you kill one or you have
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: a really cool hunt where you're like, that's gonna be
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: a good show. But man, it's it's just a lot.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And then you know, like when you when you have
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: a tag, like an Iowa tag, where you're like there's
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: like an extra pressure to that. I just did a
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Foundations episode on this on like the premiere tags and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: the you know how you know, Buffalo County used to
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: be the place in Pike County and you know now
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: it's like Iwan Kansas and there's a few places you
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: can go to where it's like still that premiere feeling.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: There's like an added level of pressure to that that's
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: not for everyone, you know, like it's it you know,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: like we said, it kind of balances out, but you're
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: still like, I'm only going to get X amount of
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Iowa tags in my life. They're expensive. You want to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: put a lot into them, and you want to get
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the most out of them. But it's also like just
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: this weird level of pressure to do just that and
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: then end up with that grip and grin of something
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: big to show for your time there. And it's like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's it makes me appreciate some
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: of those trips to like Oklahoma or wherever where you're
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: like I'm just shooting anything, I'm just here for the hunt,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: versus like this added component of like I kind of
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: feel like I need to kill a big one otherwise
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: this is going to be a failure. That stuff's tough.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and that's why I'm approaching it different this
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: year because every other time I've gone there, I've approached
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: it the way you're describing it, and so this year,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is where some of my best
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: hunting buddies live and spend all their time. It's like
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: a great like deer camp atmosphere. I'm going to go
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: there for the full thing, you know. I'm not going
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to go into it like a military mission like I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: do sometimes. I'm going to just enjoy myself, have a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: fun hunt, spend time with good buddies, experience what Iowa
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: has to offer, like not be so worried about having
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to kill a big deer, but just watching, seeing, experiencing
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: all the cool stuff that happens there. And you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: if you get a buck, awesome. But I want, like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I want the Iowa experience more than I want the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Iowa buck on the wall, Right. I think with that mindset,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I'll probably have a better chances of bringing some meat
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: home too.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: So yeah, you'll have fun. I mean when I when
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: I drew last year, I had a tough hunt down
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: there in some ways. I mean, it was just a
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: lot of pressure, just a lot of things going on.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I was on the end of a long run of travel.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: But even you know, like how I killed my buck,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: like decoy and m and like what we saw the
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: evening before and that day I was like this is
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: like Iowa, like this is just like what you want
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: to be here for. And it wasn't like I was
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: covered in giants, but it was like you're you're sitting
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: in a spot once you kind of get a dial
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: down there where you're like this this little area is
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: just humming with activity, like somebody's coming down the trail eventually,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: and that's just and you know, I know you're you're
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: hunting a little bit different situation. I was on public
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: down there, but like I'm like watching all kinds of
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: animals on public all day long, where you're like this
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: doesn't feel you know, like some where you're on public,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you're like, I don't I haven't seen a squirrel. It
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: just feels different, and it is It's good to be
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: reminded to like appreciate that because you're not just that
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I would take. Isn't just a ticket to go kill
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: a big one and bounce, you know, like you actually
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: have like really enjoyable sits down there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: For many reasons, well, And that's like with those types
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of hunts, and really any hunt, but especially one of
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: these that have like a little extra pressure or cost
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: or you know, rarity of getting them. You know, I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: would encourage someone to milk it for everything that's worth.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Like, go do the.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Scouting trips, do the summer visits for cameras and glassing fields.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Go down there multiple times if you can throughout the season. Like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: don't rush it if you have, if you have the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: available time, why you know, spend this rare opportunity on
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just one week of misery. Why don't you get get
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: out there, enjoy it. Don't put pressure on yourself. Just
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: experience everything the place has and the people have and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the animals have.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: And that's that's the good stuff.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Like when I look back on, like many of my
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: best memories, often it's from like the the summer trips,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: putting up cameras and glassing deer with my buddies in
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the field, or going in there in the early season
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and just like you know, getting to see things progress
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: throughout the year. Or it's the hunt when I didn't
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: have a show and I was just like you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: discovering this new place with my buddies and seeing what happens,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and yeah, just just taking it all in because there's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: so much more to it than just filling that tag.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: It's so we've been saying this for years and years
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and years, right, but every single year, I have to relearn.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: It, you know, dude, It's an easy thing to forget.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of public land, I think that's a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: perfect opportunity for us to segue to a quick kind
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of pivot here to a like current events update for people.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: If you are not on social media, if you are
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: like Tony Peterson and you are not on social media
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: too much, you might have missed some big news in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the public land world that I and a bunch of
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: folks have been talking about lately. So quickly I want
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to get folks up to speed and then give people
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: updates on what's happening. Still, but the Big Brewja over
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the last month or so, Tony, and I know you're
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: aware of this, but the Big Brewja has been around
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the most recent iteration of attempts to dispose of public lands.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Right now, Congress.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Has been debating this big budget bill through a process
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: called reconciliation, and this is basically something that you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: like every administration comes in, they want to get a
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: set of budget related priorities passed, and there's this process
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that can be used called budget reconciliation, which allows a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: bill to pass Congress with only fifty one votes rather
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: than the typical sixty needed.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: So it's basically a way.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: For something to actually get passed when many times these
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: bills never get passed. And so what happens is that
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: everyone throws in their little thing. So Joe and Minnesota says, oh,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I wanted this little thing to get done. I can
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: never get a bill passed. I'm going to attach it
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: to this budget bill. And then Bill and Michigan has
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: wanted to get this funding approved for this project, so
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: he throws this thing in there. It becomes this big,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: huge package of a thousand different things. But because they
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: have to get the budget passed and they have to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: get funding all taken care of, it has to get
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: passed by whatever party controls Congress, and so these things
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: typically move forward. So that's what's going on right now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and a number of different public land related things have
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: gotten thrown into this budget package. One of those, which
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: was added in the middle of the night is like
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: between eleven and midnight within the House Natural Resources Committee.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: This mandated the sale of more than five.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Hundred thousand acres of public land and it'd be done
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: in this case in Nevada and you So this happened
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: like three weeks ago when news came out about this.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: You know, first we thought it was eleven thousand acres,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and then it was several hundred thousand acres, and then
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: there was more than five hundred thousand acres. At one
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: point people thought maybe is more than one million acres.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: But basically what happened.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Is, like the the representatives from Utah and Nevada didn't specify, oh,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it's this a this these acres. They sent some very
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: kind of oh what's the word ambiguous language around certain
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: properties that had been previously approved possibly for this kind
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: of stuff in the past.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Long story short, there were two things that were very
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: concerning here and the reason why so many folks across
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: the conservation and hunting and fishing and outdoor rec worlds
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: were raising such a stink about this. You know, First
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and foremost, this was selling five hundred thousand plus acres
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of public lands that you or I or anyone would
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: have access to, right. So that's that's a huge issue
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: because we're losing public access. We're losing you know, a
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: long term sustainable resource that you know, could be used
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: both for recreation, for wildlife habitat, but then also like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: it's used in many other ways that produce revenue for
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the for the nation too and provides grazing lease funds
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: or maybe there's oil extraction or different things like that
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: going on out there. So this is something that has
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: produced revenue, produced utility, produced space for activity and recreation
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: for hundreds of years, decades and decades, and it could
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: for decades and decades in the future that would all
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: be forfeit if this is sold off for a short
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: term revenue game.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So that's number one.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: The number two, which maybe is even more concerning, was
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the process that would be utilized to dispose of these
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: public lands, because historically there has been a process in
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: place for appropriate sales of public lands or swaps of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: public lands. Occasionally there'll be a situation where maybe there's
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: like a small piece of public land that's landlocked and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: inaccessible by the public, and there's been situations where they say, okay,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: well we're going to sell off this twenty or forty
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: acres or whatever it is. But this process requires a
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: very careful review process. It requires public review and comment.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And then it also requires that any sale of public lands,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: those funds go back towards future public land acquisition or work.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So if we're going to sell a piece of public land,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that revenue will be used for additional better situated public lands,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: or to improve public land access, whatever it might be.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of keeping it in the family, right. Well,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: this sale would mandate the sale of all those acres,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and it would jump around that entire process, so there
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: would be none of the public review, there would be
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: none of the public comment an opportunity to influence it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: There would be none of the careful kind of red
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: tape that should be necessary to make sure that if
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: we have to sell a piece of public land, it
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: is done for the public's best interest and done in
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: a careful way. And then finally, the funds in this
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: case would not go to any future public land effort.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: It would just go to the general to the General
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Treasury fund and be used for lord knows what else.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So this sale of five hundred thousand or more acres.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: We're talking billions of dollars would not go to what
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to be, which would be future public
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: access and lands.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: It would go to whatever.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: If this were to happen, this would set a new
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: precedent for how future public land sales could be conducted.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: If this actually went through and got approved, then next
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: time around, who knows what other politician might jump on
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: board and say, well, hey, this has been done before.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Here's my two.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Million acres that I'd like to use to fund this
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: other project. And someone else comes around the next year
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: and says, all right, well, we've got this issue in
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: such and such state. We don't think that, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the federal government should have all these federal public lands here.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: We should sell these off and pay for our school
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: issue or pay for our whatever issue. That kind of
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: precedent would be really, really dangerous in damaging to our
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: public land system. So because of all that, there was this,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: you know, this huge uproar about it, a lot a
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: lot of folks talking about a lot of phone calls,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: made a lot of emails sent, and fortunately it was
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: removed right before the House had to put their vote
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: in for this actual bill. They pulled it out. When
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: they go through this final kind of review of the bill,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: they were able to rescind that part and the House
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: voted on what was left and that passed the House,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and now the bill is in the Senate where the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Senate will be debating this new version of the bill
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: now out. The good news that the public land sales out.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: The bad news is there was a bunch of other
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: junk thrown in there that's really bad for public lands
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: and wildlife and hunting, fishing, and unfortunately, what sucks about
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the situation is that there's so much stuff in there
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: there's no way, like any one of us can you know,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: keep track of it all and take action on all
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: of it. So because they throw like so much spaghetti
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: at the wall, some of it's going to stick because
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you can't you can't address it all. The thing with
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the public lands sale, and the reason why you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: we were able to stop it is because it was
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like one thing that was very clear and obvious, like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: this is a problem. The sale of public lands for
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: these two reasons is bad. And everyone could talk about
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: this one thing, and everyone could take action and ask
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: their congressman or woman to vote no on this to
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: do whatever they could to get this out of the bill.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: And because of that, there was like a ton hundreds
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: of thousands of emails and phone calls were made that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: got people's attention. When there's like ten or twelve different
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: other slightly smaller issues, that gets lost in the noise,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: you know. So that's the situation we're in right now.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of stuff that's not great. The question
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: has been in the discussions right now with a bunch
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: of organizations is like, Okay, what do we do to
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: try to get some of these addressed before the Senate votes,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: because that's our next opportunities.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: If we can get the Senate to remove a few.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: More things, then when this bill eventually goes to the president,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: it's not as dangerous as still right now. So I
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: want to bring up two specific things real quick, Tony,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: thank you for letting me go on my tie right here.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Of the of the many different things still in this bill,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I want to bring to attention to specifics. One of
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: them is there in your home state, Tony, the Bounder Waters. Yes,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the Bounder Waters are freshly endangered. Longtime listeners of the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: podcast have heard me talk about the bound of waters
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: a lot over the years, I've somehow adopted your home
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: state's cause. But but you know, go back and listen
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to these Bounder of Waters episodes I've done over past
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: years if you're curious about more details.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: But the short version of the long story.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Is that there has been a mine proposed, a sulfide
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: or copper mine proposed right on the border of the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Bounder Waters Canoe Area wilderness, which is a water wilderness.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It is a water logged lake and stream and river
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: filled incredible, incredible wilderness area. And this mine would be
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: placed on the upstream edge of that watershed. So if
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: there's any pollution from this mine, it flows through the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: entire system potentially. And no mine of this type has
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: ever been conducted in the past. So every other mine
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: across the world that's used this form of mining, none
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: have avoided pollution issues. Every single one of them have
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: had some kind of significant issue that impaired the environment
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: around it. We're putting one of those, hypothetically right on
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: the edge of the most visited wilderness area in the
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: lower forty Estates nation.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: So that's problem, and.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: This very specific ecosystem that's ripe for that pollution because
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: of the water.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's why it's an incredible place
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: to fish for small mouths and pike and trout and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: walleye and all.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Sorts of stuff.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: It's cold, clean, you know, amazing water that could be
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: threatened here by this thing. So there was this mind
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: those proposed number of years ago. Hunters and anglers and
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: outdoor folks had been fighting it for years and years
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: and years. In twenty twenty three, a mineral withdrawal was
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: put on the Rainy River Watershed, which is the area
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: surrounding us that basically said there will be no mineral withdrawals,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: no mind like that in this zone for the next
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: twenty years at least. So that saved the boundary waters
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: for the time as of twenty twenty three. Well, they're
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: trying to change that this new bill as is currently
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: written as the Senate is debating it. If it were
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: to pay, it would remove that mineral withdrawal, opening up
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the entire area again to mining and other things. It
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: would reinstate the leases for this specific mind, so that
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: it could be fast tracked and ray go right away.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And it requires future lease sales. Let me make sure
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I've got my details on this correct. Yeah, so those
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: are the two main things. It removes the mineral withdrawal
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: and reinstates those leases.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: So all of that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Work that's been done by folks over the last decade
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: ish would be out the door. And the way things
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: are going now, they're really trying to move things very quickly,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: so there could be you know, real change is coming
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: to the special place relatively quickly if this happens. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: number one, like, that's a big one that we as
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: hunters and English could make a difference on. We could
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: call the Senate thing now, So we're calling our senators
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: and letting them know, Hey, the boundary waters is two
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: special places, the wrong it's the wrong mind in the
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: wrong place.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Well, and so I know that I know that people
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: are going to play Devil's advocate on this and say, well,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: you're using a lot of electronics with copper in it
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: every day, so you're a hypocrite for arguing this. But
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: it's when you dig into this issue specifically, there are
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: copper deposits in a lot of places that could be
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: mined where the risk to such a large, sort of
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: very special ecosystem isn't there. Yeah, So it's not like
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: we couldn't. It's not like you couldn't advocate for copper
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: mining someplace else to you know, feed the needs of
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: all the different electronics and components all that shit. This
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: is a this is a place where the risk reward
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: is crazy. And it's just that I mean that that Like,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: that's the thing about this specifically, Like this has to
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: be done. Somebody's got to mind some copper somewhere this place.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe not great idea.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing is like, we of course
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: need resources, we need these things. The job will be
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: for folks like us is to like identify when they're
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: proposing it in a place like this, this too risky,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: too high value of a location for for other reasons,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: and advocate as best as we can that that this
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: kind of development is being done in the places where
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: it's safest to do so and most appropriate to do so,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: not just where it's most convenient or most profitable for
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: a few foreign owned companies. Right right, this is not
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: the place for this, and we still have an opportunity
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: to influence it. So to anyone listening, if you've ever
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: been there, or if you would like to go there somewhere,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: your you know, your attention, your phone calls, your emails,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: they're needed right now. If you go to Sportsmen, oh jeez,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I should have had this URL. Just look up Sportsmen
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: for the Boundary Waters on Google. They've got probably the
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: best overview of the issue for hunters and anglers to
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: help understand why this is important and what you can do.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So that's number one. One other example, real quick of
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: a situation like you're talking about where resource development is
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: needed generally, but this is a place where they're trying
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: to do it that's got a really high risk, and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: this would be the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: The long story short.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: On this one is that it's basically the absolute crown
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: gem of our public land system in America. It's the largest, wildest,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: most incredible, most undeveloped, last wilderness reservoir we have the nation.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: It's right up in the northeast corner of Alaska.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Right there. The Brooks Range, which is the northernmost kind of.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Appendage of the Rocky Mountains, runs across this refuge. You
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: have this unbelievable mountain landscape and then the north slope
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: of it heading into the Arctic Ocean, there is something
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: called the coastal plane. And this is like when you
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: see the videos from like Planet Earth or Our Planet
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever nature documentary it is, And like when you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: see the videos of the hundreds of thousands of caribou
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: all migrating, it's this place or place is very nearby
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and similar. This is where these vast aggregations of caribou
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: are occurring. And caribou are not doing very well across
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: the world right now. I believe I saw that they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: have declined eighty percent in recent decades. The Porcupine cariber
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: herd is the herd there that utilizes the Arctic National
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Wildlife Refuge. They are actually doing pretty well right now.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: They are now the largest remaining caribou herd in the world.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: But they are dependent on this area called the coastal
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: plane that I mentioned earlier. When the Arctic National Wilife
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Refuge was created in the like nineteen sixties ish, right
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: around there, it was designated in such a way by
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Congress that there was a little slice left that was
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: not protected as wilderness. And this little lice was like
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: part of these congressional debates where someone said, well, hey,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: we'll help you pass this bill, but we want to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: leave this chunk here that's not designated as wilderness and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: it will be designated to study for future either future
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: protection or future use for development. Basically, it was open
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to maybe it'll be wilderness someday, or maybe it'll be
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: open to drilling someday, because that has always been the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: thing up there's maybe there's oil. And for the fifty
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: years since or whatever it's been, it has been debated
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: like one of the most hotly debated kind of repeated issues,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: bringing up again and again and again, should the coastal
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: plane of the Arctic Refuge be open for drilling or not?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: For decades and decades, the outdoor community, conservationists, hunters and anglers, environmentalists,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: the whole nine yards have kind of beaten back repeated
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: attempts to do this. But in twenty seventeen, during one
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: of these budget debates, just like what we're having right now,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: one of these little riders got slipped in that opened
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: up the coastal plane to drilling for the first time.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, that was slipped into one of these
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: budget bills, It passed, it got approved, but the most
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: recent administration canceled those leases before anything was done, so
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: right now the Arctic National Wilder Refuge, which is one
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of the most incredible places to sheep hunt, to fish
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: for all sorts of species, to caribou hunt, to have
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: unbelievable rafting, backpacking, all sorts of incredible trips. Huge, It's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: like one of the top places that polar bears are
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: left in Alaska. Two hundred thousand plus caribou, there's muskos,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: there's wolves, there's brown bears, wild wild place. It's safe
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: as of last year. Now riders attached to this new
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: bill that is wanting to open things back up reinstate
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: the leases, mandate lease sales of over four hundred thousand acres,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and also strangely enough, removing any ability for public input
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: in judicial review. So somehow, through some interesting language in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: this new version of this bill, it would remove the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: ability for the public comment periods and for anyone to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: have this challenge it in court someday. So not only
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: is it crazy to force this lease sale that for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: fifty years people have been saying no, no, no, Now
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: they're also trying to remove any ability for the public
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: or people with different perspectives to challenge it at all.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: So again sets like a super dangerous precedent for how
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: public land issues are dealt with in a place that's
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: like the crown jewel of the dreams of outdoors people.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: And I know a lot of folks aren't going to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: get to go and see this place. It's kind of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: like a life list once in a lifetime if you're.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: A lucky kind of place.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: But man, knowing something like that is there maybe to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: someday visit, or just knowing that they're still somewhere that's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: truly unbelievably wild and available and that these things are happening,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: that is that's worthwhile. Also, I mentioned the cariber herd's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: the largest remaining caribou herd. All of the calving that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: this herd does occurs on the coastal plane. The coastal
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: plane is where they're trying to open up to drilling.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: So if all of a sudden the calving ground, the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: place where these creators have to go to have their babies,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: if that's all of a sudden turn into an oil field,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: what will happen to the last remaining great caribo herd
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: in the nation? Serious problem. So, if you care about
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: caribou hunting, if you care about having wild places, if
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: you care about just the kind of structural integrity of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: how we deal with public land related issues in this nation,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: this is another one to be keeping tabs on and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: to let your center to know, Hey, this is not
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: the right place to do this kind of development.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: So as far as.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I'm concerned, I would love folks to say no to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: this boundary water's mine, and say no to opening up
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Let's keep our last best
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: places healthy and plan and open and accessible. They're not
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: making any more of them, Tony, So this last couple
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: we've got go, we gotta stand strong on.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say, you know, you alluded to this, right,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Like most of the people listening to this are never
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: going to go up d Aanmar. Most of the people
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: listening this are never going to go with the BDW
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: in Minnesota and ketching smallies. I don't have any connection
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: to public land in Utah and Nevada personally, like I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: may never hunt either either state. Right, But when you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: keep mentioning the precedent for these kind of things, and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: I always I look at this like I think an
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: easy way to sort of contextualize this stuff, you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: like we know when something goes away, it doesn't come
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: back right, and the outdoors like it just generally doesn't.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: And so I've talked about this a lot where it's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: like the non resident versus resident thing, and non residents
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: don't have any power in any state that they don't
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: live in, and so they're an easy target to get
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: rid of. So residents can have better or easier hunting
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: for themselves, right, And so that's an easy push to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: make and an easy connection for people to make. But
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: what they can't see is when you say, when you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: bitch about how much pressure there is, and those guys
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: are the problem, and those guys go away, the next
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: step is you guys are the problem because people are
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: still going to be bitching. So you think that that's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: a win, But the precedent is set that you can
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: use that excuse as like, there's too much pressure on
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: public land. We need to get rid of people because
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: the quality of the experience is down. You may have
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: a very valid gripe there, but you've also once you've
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: taken away one component and you've said, now you guys
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  Speaker 4: who live across state lines, you're very limited or you're
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  Speaker 4: going to pay you know, twenty five times what we
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  Speaker 4: pay or fifty times what we pay. You've set that
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  Speaker 4: precedent that this problem can be remedied by removing pressure.
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  Speaker 4: And the next step is you. And so when you
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  Speaker 4: celebrate that and go, well, now these guys won't be
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  Speaker 4: coming in and hunting my stuff, you think that that
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  Speaker 4: problem is going to go away. There's still going to
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  Speaker 4: be a lot to urban sprawl. You know, that's going
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  Speaker 4: to increase pressure on locking up land for the people
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  Speaker 4: who are paying that higher price. Like it's not it'll
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  Speaker 4: be like a temporary reprieve, but that's coming for you.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a precedent. And the same thing like when
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  Speaker 4: you talk about this bill for selling off land that
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  Speaker 4: most whitetail hunters don't give a shit about it all
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  Speaker 4: in two states where nobody's going to white tail hunt, right,
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  Speaker 4: it's not. It's easy to sort of be disconnected from
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  Speaker 4: that and go, well, I don't really care if they
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  Speaker 4: sell off some land there. But that's not the point.
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  Speaker 4: The point is that your state could be up next,
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  Speaker 4: and when that happens and it's in your backyard, then
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  Speaker 4: it's a different deal. And I know it's like hard.
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  Speaker 4: I know that kind of sounds like pandering or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But like when these precedents are set, things change and
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  Speaker 4: generally not for the better. And I will say this,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I know people view that one specifically in
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  Speaker 4: the Anmar thing, and b like these are all like
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  Speaker 4: politically muddy, right, Like they're politically muddy. We're very try
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  Speaker 4: Bible people want to take a side. But I just
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  Speaker 4: look at some of this stuff and I go like,
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  Speaker 4: some of these issues are just like we just have
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  Speaker 4: to you just have to like look inside and be like,
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  Speaker 4: do you really want uh resource extraction in some of
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  Speaker 4: these places that are just left that like we can
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  Speaker 4: do we can get these resources other ways. And you're
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  Speaker 4: trusting politicians on either side to decide what's best there,
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  Speaker 4: or you're trusting politicians to sell off public land. Like
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  Speaker 4: who do you think they're going to sell some of
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  Speaker 4: that stuff to their buddies? Right, Like there's gonna there's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be some bad elements to this on both sides,
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  Speaker 4: and I just it's it's a dangerous game. And so
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  Speaker 4: like like to maybe frame this up the best is
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  Speaker 4: like think about that precedent and not what it means
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  Speaker 4: just for the hunters of that state or just for
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  Speaker 4: this one off event that could take half a million
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  Speaker 4: acres off the public goal and put in private. Think
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  Speaker 4: about it in a broader scope, because this stuff's coming
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  Speaker 4: for us, and it's just so frustrating. It's easy to
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  Speaker 4: sort of be shortsighted on this, and I get it,
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  Speaker 4: Like we all have a lot of stuff going on
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  Speaker 4: in life, and life is hard, right, like people, life
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  Speaker 4: is hard. But when you look at things like that
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  Speaker 4: and go like, man, that like public land is a gift.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you allow people elected officials to decide
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  Speaker 4: the fate of it over there, when that comes for
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  Speaker 4: you, you you could be in trouble. And then you know,
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  Speaker 4: and if not you, your kids, and that that's a
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  Speaker 4: big risk, man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's you know, those of us who care about
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  Speaker 2: this stuff who actually had like a real personal connection
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  Speaker 2: to public land or hunting or fishing or whatever it
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  Speaker 2: might be. We're a relatively small group of folks, right,
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  Speaker 2: Or those of us who think that you know, a
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  Speaker 2: place like the Boundary Waters would be better off healthy
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  Speaker 2: and protected versus just being like maximized for the very
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  Speaker 2: most dollars per year. Right, Business interests, the momentum of
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  Speaker 2: capitalism and all these kinds of things that of course
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  Speaker 2: we need to live. But like that momentum is constantly
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  Speaker 2: putting pressure on these things, and if you look back
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  Speaker 2: over the last couple hundred years, you can see what's
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  Speaker 2: happened largely has not been good for these things that
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  Speaker 2: we care about. So because of that, if we're ever
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  Speaker 2: going to occasionally be able to tap the brakes and
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  Speaker 2: protect some of these spots or these rights or these opportunities,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to require like all of us. I think
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  Speaker 2: that more and more we're going to find, like the
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  Speaker 2: hunting and fishing community kind of has to look like
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  Speaker 2: at any attack at these things as being an attack
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  Speaker 2: on all of us. Like, Okay, mountain lion hunting in Colorado,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm never going to go there, but I know that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is a precedent setting issue that if that gets banned,
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  Speaker 2: they could impact our stuff someday. Just like what you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: if we lose the boundary waters in this kind of way,
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  Speaker 2: if we lose hundreds of thousands of acres sold in
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  Speaker 2: this kind of way, it could.
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  Speaker 3: Impact us someday.
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  Speaker 2: If it's you know, whatever it is, it's it's going
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  Speaker 2: to require all hunters and anglers. Where As many of
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  Speaker 2: us as we can possibly get to kind of chip
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  Speaker 2: in and do their part every time around, so that
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  Speaker 2: when it's your pet issue or your special place, you
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  Speaker 2: can count on the rest of folks from other places
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  Speaker 2: or with other interests to jump in and do their part.
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  Speaker 4: Two.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's where we're gonna be heading in the
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  Speaker 2: next five, ten, twenty years. If we're ever going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to keep some of these things that are
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  Speaker 2: important to our way of life, it's going to require
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  Speaker 2: us starting to act like a big family. Even if
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  Speaker 2: we do some different things and we live some different places,
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  Speaker 2: we all kind of need to chip in and do
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  Speaker 2: our part on every one of these issues as much
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  Speaker 2: as we possibly can, right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'll say this on the public land thing
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  Speaker 4: because people I have this conversation a lot, like specifically
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  Speaker 4: around public land way tales. When I was when I
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  Speaker 4: first started deer hunting in Minnesota when I was twelve,
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  Speaker 4: we had my dad and I had permission on two
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  Speaker 4: pretty huge properties or like big enough where we were
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  Speaker 4: not we were doing well right at different areas, so
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  Speaker 4: we could hunt one close to town and one was
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  Speaker 4: more like a weekend thing. But like we were spoiled.
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  Speaker 4: It was awesome. And when I turned fourteen right before
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  Speaker 4: the season, so I had those for two years. Both
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  Speaker 4: of those properties changed hands and we lost them. So
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  Speaker 4: we literally went from like we weren't going to run
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  Speaker 4: out of land to hunt that was private and good
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  Speaker 4: to having I sat on opening day. I'll never forget
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  Speaker 4: it in the pouring rain, watching squirrel hunters on public
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  Speaker 4: land and just being like this whole paradigm shift in
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  Speaker 4: my life at that point. And I talk to people
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  Speaker 4: and I know you do too, a lot who are like,
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  Speaker 4: they don't hunt public right They hunt Gramma's farm, they
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  Speaker 4: hunt somewhere else. They only hunt deer, maybe turkeys, whatever
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  Speaker 4: whatever's available on that property, and so they don't have
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  Speaker 4: quite the connection to public And I'm like, that public
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  Speaker 4: land that you don't hunt right now, not only is
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  Speaker 4: it a lot of people's only place to hunt, but
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  Speaker 4: it's also a hedge against not hunting. You might find
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  Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where all of a sudden you
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  Speaker 4: need that for some reason, and when you do, you
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  Speaker 4: want it there. And I know that's like a there's
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  Speaker 4: like a fear factor to that, but it's like it's
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  Speaker 4: absolutely true. So you you might not utilize it at
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  Speaker 4: all right now, so you see very little value in it,
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  Speaker 4: But there are a lot of people who that's when
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  Speaker 4: they go hunting. They don't have grandma's farm. They can't
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  Speaker 4: afford the lease, right, Like, so it's just like, man,
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  Speaker 4: we just need it, like we just need to look
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  Speaker 4: at that like it is our every one of us,
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  Speaker 4: Like it's a hedge against not doing what we love,
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  Speaker 4: because there is a world in which if that goes away,
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  Speaker 4: your private stuff goes away too. And without that, what
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  Speaker 4: are you going to do? Golf? No thanks, screw that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's I think that's a good
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  Speaker 2: place for us to, uh, to wrap some of this up.
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  Speaker 2: More on this topic to come in the future. In
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks after Actually, me and Cal are
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: going to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. We got invited
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: to join a trip up there to kind of see
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: this place and experience it ourselves to be able to
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  Speaker 2: bring those stories and that perspective back to the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the world.
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  Speaker 4: So me and mister Callahan.
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  Speaker 2: Are going to check it out here in mid June
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  Speaker 2: and report back to everyone with what we saw and
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  Speaker 2: experienced and learned.
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  Speaker 3: So stay tuned on that front.
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  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, let your senators know there's some
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  Speaker 2: places that are not the right place for this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And we're all a big family. Let's chip in when
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  Speaker 2: we can, So.
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  Speaker 3: Tony, any final thoughts from you before we wrap it up.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're good, buddy. I think we covered a
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  Speaker 4: lot of stuff, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it's good catching up and to everyone listening, appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you being here.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a fun summer as we ride
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  Speaker 2: this roller coaster that's rising and momentum as we approach
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  Speaker 2: the fall, which unbelievably is knock on our door. So
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you and until next time, stay wired to hunt.
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