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Katy Faust: Resisting Redefinitions Of Truth, Marriage, Family, Equality · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in and for your prayers and
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support.
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Another hugely important topic today that I think, what would our great grandparents
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think about where we're at today in America when it comes to the basic idea of a family,
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of a mom and dad?
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They might not understand this battle that we're in if they were just coming back to be
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alive one day and go, why are these people fighting for the truth, not only the biblical
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worldview, but that every family should have a mom and dad?
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Well, this is a very important podcast today with Katie Faust.
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I want to give you a website, we're going to talk about the greater than campaign and
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that's greater than campaign dot com.
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And we're also going to be talking about them before us, who's them, children, children,
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why are we trying to put children before our needs because things have been reversed,
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evil is being called good, good is being called evil.
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We're also going to talk about something we have forgotten about the corporate world
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and what's called the corporate equality index.
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We haven't talked about this in several years, unfortunately, but them before us, that's
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start there before I bring Katie on, it's a global movement committed to defending
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children's right to their mother and father.
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We believe that adult desires should never come at the expense of a child's fundamental
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needs.
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Then before us, just released a full report, documenting how the CEI corporate equality
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index harms children through the benefits it requires, the organizations, it funds, and
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the family structures it promotes.
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It covers the research on IVF, donor conception, surrogacy, same sex parenting, cohabitation
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and transgender interventions on minors.
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It names the companies, it sites the studies, and it offers a concrete alternative, a children
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first, HR framework that actually serves families.
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Thank you, Katie Faust, and everything you're doing at them before us, welcome back to World
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View Matters.
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Good to see you.
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So good to be with you.
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We are absolutely on a war path to defend children, and that means that we are coming for
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the culture, the courts, and the corporate world, because all three of those different
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spaces have put us before them, have prioritized adults above children, and our children are
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suffering as a result, and therefore our nation is suffering.
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It's time for us to put them before us, to put the kids before adults in all of these
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different spaces.
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We are focused like laser beam on making sure that children's rights are defended.
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Okay.
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Along those lines, we just celebrated Mother's Day just a few days ago, and you put a lot
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of happy Mother's Day memes and different things like that.
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Every child deserves the mother, he or she came from.
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Stop.
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I saw a video, I think it was on your website, and they're all over the place, two gay men,
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a lot of them out there that are either adopting or trying to have a child, and it's their
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child, right?
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And they are offended to homosexual males, men, that someone might ask, well, who's the
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mother?
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They're offended by that.
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Go ahead and talk to you.
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I know how you feel about it, but just unleash here for a little bit on that, because I'm
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very upset that this is going on.
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And being promoted.
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Yeah.
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Well, it is emblematic of our adult obsessed culture as it relates to marriage and family.
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What we've seen is adult sexual desire, sexual identity, sexual longings are elevated
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to the status of God.
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And when sex is God, children are not required to sacrifice.
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So in the marriage and family world, what we did is we have normalized marriages where
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a husband or wife don't have to be there, and we very quickly moved to families where
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mothers and fathers don't have to be there.
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We made husbands and wives optional through Obergefell, and now mothers and fathers are
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optional in parenthood law.
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So in their mind, they're thinking, well, this is just normal, right?
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This is the new modern family.
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The problem is from the child's perspective, it's never going to be normal.
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It is never normal for a child to lose their mother or father or both, especially intentionally
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and commercially, versus tragically.
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Our species has a lot of history with children who lost their mother or father to tragedy.
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And then culture mourns and they look back and they remember fondly on that lost mother
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and father, and then maybe we will seek to mend that wound through adoption, but that's
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not what's happening in the world of modern family today.
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Now, mothers or fathers are being cut out intentionally in the name of adult equality
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and anybody who dares to challenge that absent mother or absent father is labeled a bigot.
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So line me up, line me up with the bigots, because I'll tell you what, children need their
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mom and dad.
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They come from a man and woman, that man and woman is statistically the most connected
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to invested in and protective of them, that man and woman give them something children
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crave, their biological identity, and a man and a woman in the home will maximize child
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development and satisfy their soul.
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When we pretend that mothers or fathers are optional, we victimize children.
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Talk to us a little bit along what you were saying about the fact that the church has
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allowed this in a way, because the majority of churches and Christians have not spoken
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to this issue, because God had to be excluded, moved out of the way, rejected, rebelled against,
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and then you've got to redefine marriage, family, and gender, and even truth has been redefined
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to be honest.
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So talk to us about how maybe the church, what can we do now at this point, because we've
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given so much ground to the enemy?
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I think that a lot of Christians will say, well, I believe in God, I know what the word
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teaches, I think that marriage is between a man and a woman, one man, one woman, one
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lifetime, it's a beautiful picture of Christ in the church, but I don't really think that
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I need to involve myself in those kinds of political matters, but I don't need to comment
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on anything because I just want to be able to share the gospel, but I need to make sure
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that I keep that relationship intact, right?
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I'm sorry, when you say, I believe in traditional marriage, I believe in natural marriage
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as God designed, but let me be honest, let's just be honest about what you're doing.
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You prefer social acceptance above child protection.
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You would rather escape social discomfort, challenging conversations, the very likely isolation
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that will come from you saying, I disagree, children need a mom, natural marriage protects
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kids, two men will not do.
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I know, and you know that there is a major social cost, maybe familial cost, maybe professional
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cost to telling the truth.
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Most adults, even Christians have adults, have decided I would rather preserve my own social
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standing, then speak up on behalf of children.
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That's actually where we are, why we are where we are today because the church who knows
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the truth, the church who is charged with child protection has preferred themselves in
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their own comfort above defense of kids.
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I think that needs to change.
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It must change if we consider ourselves biblical Christians.
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We are the demographic charged with defending the fatherless.
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What's taking place right now in the realm of marriage and family is the manufacturing
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of the fatherless and the motherless, and the church has stayed silent.
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Yes, man will try to be God and create his own reality or whatever.
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It's interesting.
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We were all, every human being was created in the image of God, and we're trying to
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recreate that as if we know better.
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But Katie, first of all, the greater than campaign, tell us about that.
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It is a coalition of more than 100 different organizations and influencers who are going
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to overturn Obergothel.
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Obergothel was the Supreme Court decision in 2015 that mandated gay marriage for the entire
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nation over and above the abjection of several states that had enshrined natural marriage
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in their own constitutions.
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What Obergothel did functionally is it said that if you can make husbands and wives optional
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in marriage, mothers and fathers will become optional.
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In parenthood law, we now have 11 years of receipts, 11 years of seeing how the 11 of
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gay marriage have worked itself through the lump of parenthood laws.
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That's exactly what we've gotten.
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The deconstruction of the natural family at the federal level and the state level, reducing
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children to a commodity that can be acquired by any and every adult with a valid contract.
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We have very quickly gone from equality for adults to forced inequality for children.
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And until now, nobody has tried to mount an attempt to overturn it.
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There was a petition on behalf of Kim Davis, an individual, but we are going to come at
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it as a unified coalition with everybody from the Colson Center, focus on the American
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Family Association, Family Research Council.
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People at the blaze, the daily wire, we've got Lila Rose and Josh Hammer, we've got
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Jewish organizations, we've got Catholic vote, we've got incredible Protestant leaders.
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It is all of conservatism speaking with one voice, saying, Gays, marriage is not for
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you, marriage is for children.
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And we are going to force the government to tell the truth about children and thereby overturn
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Obergothel.
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So we have launched that campaign in January, we have a strategy for the courts, a strategy
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for the culture, and a strategy for the church.
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So go to greaterthancampaign.com and just sign up.
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You can even take the gay marriage quiz that will pop up right when you get to the home
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page and find out how much you know about how gay marriage has impacted children and
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their fundamental rights.
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And then get on board with us.
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We need you, we need you and we need every other Christian to stand up and defend the
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least of these.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Katie.
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That's the greaterthancampaign.com.
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So now back to the report that you guys came out with at them before us and the CEI Corporate
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Equality Index.
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Right on the big guy.
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Save this guy.
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I knew I was going to be talking to you.
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So this is from like about a month and a half ago, but I'm on your email list and I
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get these are wonderful.
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Great information.
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It always riles me up every time I get one.
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It says you've never heard of the Corporate Equality Index.
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Your money has been funding it for years.
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So Katie, tell us about the report and just the bullet pointed if you'd like.
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So the human rights campaign is the largest LGBT organization on the globe.
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They fund everything.
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Their hands are in every bad thing and between you and me, David, I hate them.
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I hate them because they are probably one of the greatest victimizers of children.
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How do they do it?
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They do it through leveraging you and me and the money that we spend at Alta and at
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Home Depot and at Chipotle because how do they do it?
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They say, Hey, we're going to grade all of you corporations for your LGBTQ friendliness.
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We're going to determine whether or not you are hospitable to sexual minorities or whether
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you're the enemy of sexual minorities.
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And so we're going to create the scale 100 points.
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And if you get all 100, you'll get a perfect score.
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And then you'll be able to emblaze in that score on your website.
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And everybody will know that you are a tolerant and a open-minded company.
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And people should reward you by shopping at Home Depot instead of going to lows.
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So they've been running the table on corporate America for probably 10 years, making these
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corporations dance to their tune.
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And how do they do it through their HR practices, through the kind of activities that they mandate
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their staff participate in, through the items and the organizations that they fund in
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their giving?
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And what's shocking is we just went through and we reviewed all 100 of those points that
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are available.
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About 70 of them are going to harm children in some way, either their right to life.
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They will fund procedures that victimize children through the baby taking industry of abortion
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or the baby making industry of big fertility.
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They will harm their right to their mother and father by normalizing households where
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the mother and father are missing or that don't recognize the stability and importance
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of marriage.
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It will harm children's right to their mother or father by transitioning a child's mother
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or father to the opposite sex and all of the psychological damage that goes along with
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that or they will harm children's bodies by funding insurance benefits that will chemically
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or surgically sterilize a gender-confused child.
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So I want to take them down.
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I want the human rights campaign to go down.
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I want nobody to listen to them.
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I want everybody to start opting out of this emotionally coercive, manipulative system
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of corporate equality index in the name of, I will not participate in child victimization
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any longer.
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So, Katie, let's rewind just a little bit.
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How did, this is evil.
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I would call it demonic, but it's brilliant marketing.
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If you're on the left, if you're in this perverted movement, the LGBTQ, I'm thinking back
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to the 70s and the normalization of the word gay or homosexuality and then it just grew
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through Hollywood and media and it got, we're talking about the corporate world.
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How did we get, I mean, gosh, we could do like a couple of hour podcasts on this.
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But in your research, how do we get to the point where this is so huge now, money, corporations,
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they know that possibly the majority of their customers might not support this, but they're
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funding it anyway.
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They want to have that perfect score.
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If there's a lot that's been happening in the corporate realm specifically and a lot
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of it does have to do with competition and market share, right?
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If you are going to out-compete somebody, you want to make a great product, but then
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you also want to brand yourself as, you know, the kind of corporation that somebody wants
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to be aligned with and that sort of virtues signaling aspect absolutely plays part
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of this.
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But if I could go a little bit deeper, what I would say is at the root cause is all of
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these different transitions, the overhaul of the social fabric that we have seen in the
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corporate world, in the culture, in the courts, all of it has to do with one thing and that
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is misidentifying the victim.
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We have misidentified the victim in all these conversations, whether it is transgenderism
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or abortion or the definition of marriage or things like surrogacy.
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We think that adults that cannot have what they want.
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We think adults whose desires are not fulfilled are the victims.
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When the reality is, it is children who lose their life or lose their mother or father
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who are the victims.
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So the victim determines the policy and for so long, culture, courts and corporate America
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have said adults who can't have what they want are victims.
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How do we fix that?
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By talking about identifying and defending the real victims, how children are harmed.
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When we get these kinds of questions about marriage and family wrong, highlight their stories,
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specify the kind of harm they've experienced and then rally everybody to defend them.
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Yeah, rally the church especially.
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My goodness, we've been asleep at the wheel, but it's not too late friends.
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I just love the name of them before us because part of what we're talking about is putting
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adult needs and adults who don't have the biblical worldview for the most part above children.
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I want to read, you mentioned transgenderism, getting back to the C.E.I., the corporate
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equality index, it requires companies to cover transgender surgeries and hormonal treatments
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with no age restriction written into the criteria and guess what, friends, more than 500
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companies now offer these benefits.
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It's horrific.
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This is horrific what we're talking about.
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Do you want to comment on that, Katie, you want to jump into what I wanted to ask you
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about and that is the Trevor project, which I don't think a lot of people understand
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what it's about.
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Well, just say that this is corporate coercion and a lot of companies did participate
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for a long time, but it's expensive.
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It does not improve their customer service.
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It does not improve their quality or their services.
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So we are seeing that some of them are opting out.
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There have been several corporations that have withdrawn from the corporate equality index.
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C.E.I. reports are not publishing quite as many people that are getting their perfect
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100 score.
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I think because they are losing influence, partially because companies just can't afford
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it anymore.
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It doesn't do anything for their actual corporate culture.
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The virtue signaling has begun to lose a little bit of its power.
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We love to see it and I am here for their ultimate demise.
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Thank you, Katie.
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I just want to mention, thank you for mentioning a little bit of good news in this.
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Praise God.
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More than 60% of Fortune 500 companies dropped the C.E.I. in 2026.
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John Deere, Walmart, McDonald's, IBM, Metta, they've pulled back from DEI commitments.
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What I've also heard, I don't remember the letters, but they now just some companies
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or some like academia, they're rebranding it, there's H, is it human in there or something
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is something instead of DEI, they're calling it something else.
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So thank you for those companies, AT&T and Toyota, cut ties with the C.E.I.
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But both remain listed as top donors to the Trevor project.
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Is this a contradiction or a conflict, Katie Faust?
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Well, it's interesting.
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The Trevor project is sort of a darling of LGBT organizations.
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They brand themselves as an organization that can help suicidal teens or gender-confused
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teens or teens that are experiencing some kind of alienation because of their sexual orientation.
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But the reality is they are responsible for a lot of nefarious messaging to teens.
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They do not help teens that are struggling with their sexual identity or gender confusion.
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Very often what they're going to do is message to teens that they should regard their parents
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as the enemy.
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They're going to direct them to programs or to options that are going to be harmful to
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the child's mental health, physical health or sexual health.
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This is absolutely opposite of what they say they're going to do.
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We've had parents call their hotline kind of infiltrate and then hear some pretty disturbing
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advice on behalf of the people that are coaching the supposed children who are gender-disturbed
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or who are sexual minorities.
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It's a wolf and sheep's clothing and they rake in tens of millions of dollars.
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Often channeled through the corporate equality index because that is one of the approved charities
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that some of these corporations can donate to to increase their corporate equality index
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score.
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So, we mentioned some of the corporations that are pulling out of CEI.
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What did I see?
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More than 150 companies fund the Trevor Project.
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Chipotle, CVS, Panera are among them and they're getting that 100% award or whatever it
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is.
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Perfect score on the backs of like broken children, sterilized children, children growing up
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in broken homes, motherless and fatherless kids, but good job.
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You got your perfect score.
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Katie, I'm so thankful for you and your voice and what you're doing because this has been
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needed for decades.
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I mean, decades.
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Well, we're grateful because you, David, are in our coalition.
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You're in our greater than coalition.
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You are one of the many people who have refused to bend, so that I don't care what culture
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is saying.
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I don't care what kind of names I'm being called.
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I don't care what the Supreme Court says about marriage and family.
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You have decided to stand firm and keep speaking the truth.
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And we are really grateful that you are part of this huge coalition and effort to reclaim
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what has been the most child-friendly institution the world has ever known, marriage as God
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designed it.
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God ordained natural marriage between one man and one woman.
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We've got to be detailed and specific now.
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We can't just say marriage.
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Why?
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Because they've redefined it.
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And that was very successful too.
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Let's go back to a burger fell at 2015.
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I think there were 30 some states that had gay marriage bans.
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Am I right?
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Or on 30 some?
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It was over 30.
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Yeah.
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And one decision.
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Bam.
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Nationwide.
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Struck it down.
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And so, yeah, you cannot redefine what God has defined.
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Well, I guess you can.
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You can try.
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You can try.
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Yeah.
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But the natural realities are not going to go away, right?
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Just because five Supreme Court justices says, you can write mothers out of family.
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It does not stop children from wanting their mother.
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Just because the Supreme Court says, oh, fathers are optional.
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It does not mean that fatherless children suddenly do not go to prison as often.
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They still do.
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So we have these embedded natural realities that go along with being made in the image
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of God.
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He designed us with specific needs.
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And when those needs go unmet, you simply cannot reimagine the human condition into something
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that fits with this progressive utopia.
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It doesn't.
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Our laws, our court decisions are either going to recognize nature as it actually is, or
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rule in the realm of ideology and victimize children because it's rejecting the fundamental
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realities of their very nature.
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So our job is to get back to the point where we are forcing the courts and every state
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to tell the truth about children, they come from a man and woman.
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We should be able to exalt and promote that one family structure where children don't
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have to lose their mother or father to be in it.
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And right now, because of Obergefell, that's illegal.
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Okay.
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So let's go back to maybe touch on something you put out just before Mother's Day surrogacy.
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We don't talk a lot about IVF and surrogacy and other things.
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I saw, you probably saw this video two a couple weeks ago.
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There were two men, yeah, gay men, and I believe they adopted it was a toddler, but it was
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a baby, and one of the first words in the video, the baby said, mm, mm, and they both started
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laughing, both men started laughing, and it was sorry, there, there's no mom, and it was
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a doll funny, a joke, but the baby said it was really interesting to watch, but also sad
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at the same time.
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So talk to us about what they're doing here and talk to us about surrogacy.
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Yeah, that was not adoption.
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It was surrogacy.
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And it's really important for especially Christians to understand that distinction.
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Surrogacy is an institution centered around the well-being of children, where the child
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is the client, and the goal is to meet their needs, even if some adults don't get babies.
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Surrogacy is a marketplace centered around the desires of adults.
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The goal is to get every adult who wants one a child, regardless of how the child is victimized.
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So children created through surrogacy go home to single, double, or triple male homes.
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They're sent home with pedophiles and predators.
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They are mass produced by foreign Chinese billionaires.
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Surrogacy is a free for all when it comes to the manufacturing of motherless children,
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and it has zero safeguards as it relates to protection for children, or even prioritizing
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what they need when it comes to placement.
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So yes, that was a surrogate baby that was made intentionally motherless through commercial
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processes.
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And the two men were laughing, because the baby kept saying mama, and they said there
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is no mama.
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You can have dad, or you can have pop.
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And the baby starts crying.
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Now the men said, well, look, the baby doesn't understand English.
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So obviously it's not like the baby was saying mama, like they want a mama, but I'm like,
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but here's the reality, mama, those words, correspond with the name for mother in pretty
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much every society, all throughout the globe.
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Even in families of languages like Arabic and Chinese and Spanish that have no common
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history, why is it that that word mama correlates with the female parent in almost every society
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throughout history?
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It is because the child's first word has globally been associated with the child's first
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relationship, the mama.
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And so on a very primal level, what you saw was that child articulating something that
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they need, that they were intentionally starved of.
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And we at them before us have been highlighting the injustice of surrogacy, the need and
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the distinctive of mothers and fathers, the crime of making a child intentionally motherless,
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the social science behind the importance of moms and dads, but that video did something
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that none of our stats or studies or fact sheets could ever do.
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It showed you the face of a child who was victimized at the earliest age because we
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have a culture, law and technology that said that the adults sexual identity was more important
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than their rights.
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Wow, what you just said is so powerful.
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So thank you for the stand you're taking for explaining this clearly to those of us who
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think, well, you know, maybe some Christian families, this is a good thing, but you know
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what IVF is not pro life, I know you talk about that a lot as well.
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We think, you know, we should be fruitful and multiply well, there are right ways to
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do it in other ways that we shouldn't.
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So in the last minute and a half, Katie, you're all over social media, them before us.com,
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the website where you're all over, you know, Facebook, X, Instagram, I encourage people
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to follow you guys and support you and encourage you and pray for you.
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But in the last minute, just talk to Christian families, Christians that are listening and
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watching and going, how do we get here and what can I do?
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Yeah, this is your job, Christians.
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This is your job.
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You're not here to be welcoming and affirming to adults.
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You are here to defend children.
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You are God's plan A for defense of kids throughout the world.
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You all love to think about Amy Carmichael and you love to talk about the saints and the
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missionaries throughout the ages who protected children from infanticide and sexual trafficking.
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This is your moment.
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This is your Amy Carmichael moment.
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We are not necessarily having to snatch children out of temple prostitutions.
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We are needing to condemn the industries that are mass producing them and eliminating them
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in the name of fertility and family building.
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We do need to challenge the culture and the courts that are seeking to normalize the absence
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of one or both parents to whom they have a natural right.
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This is your time.
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This is your calling.
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God did not put you here by accident.
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It is time to become an expert, stand up and defend kids.
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Hey man, we need to get more pastors involved and to speak on these issues too.
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Katie Faust, you need a little bit more passion.
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I'm kidding.
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I know.
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I'll dig deep next time, David.
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All right, all right.
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Bring it.
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No, thank you so much for all you do.
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God bless you.
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We'll talk to you again in the near future.
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Thanks.
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Friends, thank you so much for watching, listening and sharing God bless you and as always, keep
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speaking the truth about things that matter.
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See you next time.