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Dune (1984) - David Lynch Series · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Elsa Joy Glass. And I am the Lisa now Guy
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Spencer Williams. Would you survive in the desert?
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No, I would not. It's way too hot.
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But it's I only get so many chances to say any sort of Dune
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language on this podcast. And I figured this might be the
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well, actually there's another one coming.
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There's another one coming. So I might get one more chance
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at it at. Least one more.
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There's a lot of these books. Welcome to the Art of Costume
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podcast, everybody. We're we're back in the studio.
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We are finally, Yeah, it's been a long time coming, but.
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We almost didn't make it. Well, yeah, actually it's we've
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been having a battle with the Internet and actually the
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Internet won for a little bit there, but it came on back at
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the. I went into comfy mode because I
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was like, we're having a movie night, not a record.
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She ordered pizza and we were putting in we were putting in
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Blue Velvet to start preparing for next weeks episode, but then
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Internet kicked back on at the last Yeah.
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So I'm not even sure if we'll make it through this episode,
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but we're gonna we're. Gonna find out.
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We're gonna give it a go, but. If we don't, there will be a
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really awkward cut after this where we come back and be like,
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hey, our Internet went out. So I'm so excited to begin our
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brand new three-part series Dressed in the Red Room, the
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David the Lynch series at the Art of Costume podcast
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celebrating A visionary, legendary director whom we lost
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last year. But I just I've been just
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buzzing with excitement to just pay tribute to director David
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Lynch on our costume podcast with three incredible films.
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You know, some of them more loved than others, yes.
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But I think as we dive deep into them, I think everyone will
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understand why we picked the order of these films and shows.
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There's a method to our madness. Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
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And they also explain like how David Lynch, I mean like the how
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they defined a style of David Lynch's worlds that he created
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as well too. So there's a method here too.
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So I think people will come to understand.
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I'm just so excited to get it. I.
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Know and you are the 1 brimming with information I am this week.
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Yeah, I'm so excited. I saw.
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OK, so this week we're starting with Dune, Dune 1984.
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We even though we're ending the series of Twin Peaks, I still
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feel like we're starting with possibly the hardest of the
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series because yeah, this is also, as everyone knows, David
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Lynch's least favorite of our series and.
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The film is a whole choice. It is a choice.
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It's full of choices. Even though we love Dune.
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I mean, yeah. I love Dune.
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I love Dune and well, we'll get into it, but I actually there
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are some things about this film that I do like and obviously
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there's some choices in this film.
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Lots of choices. Lots of choices, but.
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Let's dive in. Let's just dive into it, all
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right? Dune 1984.
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I mean, let's. I mean, was this your first time
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seeing it? Yeah.
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I, I had seen like a little bit because my dad was watching it
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one time. So I'd seen like a tiny bit of
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the beginning and I was like, that looks wild.
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And then walked away. Yeah.
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But I, my original assumption was right.
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It was wild. It was something, yeah.
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Choices were made. It's rough but at the end of the
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day though, like it's still, I can't help but still.
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It has a charm to it though that I can't explain.
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Like I still enjoy myself when I watch it though because it's
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it's kind of wacky though and this is my second or third time
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watching it now. I mean, I appreciate what it has
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is a lot of artistry in terms of set costume.
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The rest of it is a choice. They're.
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They're with the exception of the like body shield.
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The visual effects are very, very good in this film.
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The body Shields are interesting.
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Those were a choice. Yeah.
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Those those were a Minecraft choice.
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This is our first time talking about it.
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We have not talked about the movie at all.
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Seeing each other? Well, let's just dive into it
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because we have a lot to get into.
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Obviously, this film was directed by David Lynch.
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You will know him for his noble work such as Eraserhead, The
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Elephant Man, Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, Lost Highway,
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Mulholland Dr. which is one of my other favorite films by David
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Lynch. We won't be covering it in this
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series, but that's definitely one I recommend you check it
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out. And Inland Empire, if you're
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definitely looking at melting your brain, that is like expert
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level mode on David Lynch. And of course, Twin Peaks, which
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we'll be covering later in this series.
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Now for a summary, which if you've listened to this podcast
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you probably already know this, but it does not really change
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every once in a while. But in the year 10,191, a spice
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called the melange is the most valuable substance known in the
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universe, and it's only source is the desert planet Arakis.
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Our royal decree awards Arakis to Duke Leto Atreides and ousts
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his bitter enemies, the Harkins. However, when the Harkins
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violently seized back, their fiefdom is up to Paul Leto's son
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to lead the Fremen, the natives of Arakis, in a battle for
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control the planet and it's spice, and that is Dune.
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For a SEC, I don't know why. For a second, when you said Paul
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Leto's son, I thought you said we're talking about Jared Leto.
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Yeah. And I was like, it'd be wild if
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he wasn't. Honestly, if didn't even know if
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keeps going, I won't be surprised if he ends up in it.
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So I wouldn't be shocked we got stopped him while he's ahead.
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Honestly. Before we go too far into it, do
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you see the trailer for the third Dune film?
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Oh, that looks good. Jacqueline W.
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If you're listening to this, please come back on the podcast.
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Especially, especially 'cause I haven't been happy with our our
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Roy Chalamet lately. But I saw that and I was like.
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Damn, damn. And Robert Pattinson.
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Yeah. Anyways, anyway.
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We're back to do 1980 something. With.
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Going behind the costumes with costume designer Bob Ringwood,
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who has costumed many of your favorite films.
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Spencer. I'm a big Bob Ringwood fan.
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I've actually, I can't believe we've never talked about him on
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the podcast. I could have sworn we had, but
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we haven't. We haven't done any of his
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films, but I'm a big Bob Ringwood fan.
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You, you are, you are. Especially when we were going
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through his notable work earlier, I was like, oh, this,
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this is all Spencer's favorites. And some of these favorites
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include not Excalibur, but it's it's one of the ones on the
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list. Excalibur, Empire of the Sun,
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for which Bob got his first Oscar nomination.
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Batman, Alien 3, Batman Returns, Demolition Man, Batman Forever,
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Batman and Robin, Alien Resurrection, AI, Artificial
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intelligence and Troy, for which he got his second nomination,
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his second Oscar nomination. And it was his final film.
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Talk about going out with a bang.
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And he just retired right after that.
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Bob Ringwood's costumes for Batman and Robin, to me, I mean
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that is the definition of camp. And his costumes for Alien 3 and
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Alien Resurrection, while they're not popular Alien films,
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to me they're just like definition dystopian.
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They're so how he the way he works of like black and like
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aging and dying. To me, it's just it's so
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interesting. And actually you kind of see he
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does this like ribbing, which you see a lot actually in the
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Harkins in the Dune. Like he does this like same kind
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of like technique, like this black ribbing.
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That's just I really love it. I don't know.
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I'm just like a Bob. Please like call me let me know
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how this how. This.
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Works. I'd love to talk to you.
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I'm just, I'm a big Bob Ringwood fan.
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He's so cool. But yes, some incredible
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costumes in Dune. They are controversial though.
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Not everybody feels the same way as me.
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I don't know how you feel. I think they're super cool on
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Dune. I I thought they were very cool
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as well. I.
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They are odd. They're.
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Odd they're out there. They're definitely out there.
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Honestly, so are the new Dune costumes.
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Yeah, they're out there as well. It's they're just different
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perspectives. And honestly, I, I liked the
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costumes in Dune. Like that was one of the
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redeeming qualities of this film for me.
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And I wish, I almost wish they'd had two films to like really
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flesh out what they wanted. And we could have seen more of
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his vision 'cause it's like you can tell there's a lot more he
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could have done and wanted to do with the world they were
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building. But like, you can't fit Dune
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into a single two hour movie. And to me, it's like Dune is
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like the baseline of science fiction.
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I mean, like this is coming before Star Wars.
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So like, you know, what did they have to look at?
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You know, at this point? I mean, obviously there's lots
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of science fiction before Dune, but like, of course the costumes
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are going to be weird. You know, like, like there's
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what are they drawing from? They're drawing from their own
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imagination at this time. And they're they're being tasked
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to come up with 3 uniquely interesting planets and the
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tradies are military and Fremen are desert base.
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And when the Harkonnen are just weird, when they have blood
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valves and like just like pus and just drainage and it's like,
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So what were you expecting? You know, like like what were
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they left of that? Just come up with some real
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freaky ass stuff 80s. Yeah, like, come on it.
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Was it? Was the. 80s.
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And then you have Sting and a jock strap like things are going
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to happen. So I don't it's not the.
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Worst part of that film though, no?
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It was not. Well, I think before we dive
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into the film, I think we have to talk about the elephant in
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the room with Dune, is that in fact it was not a very popular
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film. And it has.
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It has, to this day, a lot of haters.
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And perhaps one of the biggest ones was David Lynch himself.
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That's so fair. So one of our big sources today,
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I just figured we would just talk about this at the top, just
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talk about how he felt about it. And then we'll spend the rest of
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the film just talking about the costume so we don't have to
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keep, you know, harping on it. You know, Our sources today are
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from Lynch on Lynch by Chris Rodley.
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I'm a Mental Floss article by Matthew Jackson and a New York
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Post article by Johnny Olakinsky.
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I want to start at start by a quote that I found found
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hilarious. It said talking about doing
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today is like watching Mel Brooks's Spaceballs, only it's
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longer and a joke is on us. That was 1 critics take at the
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time. I I was cackling in my office
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when I read that. I was like, OK, I'm going to
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start with that. Oh man.
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So taking us back to the beginning, David Lynch was
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coming off The Elephant Man. Lynch had finally broken into
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the mainstream in a big way. The film was a massive success
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critically, landing multiple Oscar and Golden Globe
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nominations and winning several Baftas, including Best Film.
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So naturally, Hollywood came calling and I had to look this
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up. I did not believe it, but at one
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point George Lucas approached Lynch about directed about
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directing what would become Return of the Jedi.
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But Lynch? I know I got chills reading
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this, but Lynch, turn it down. He said before that while he
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preached appreciates certain elements of science fiction, it
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never been his natural home creatively, especially not
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something as firmly defined as Star Wars.
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So he essentially was like, I'm not really into, like, doing
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these things. They're so defined.
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Yeah. And it was funny.
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He really was not aware of what Dune was.
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Even though Dune had really been formalized, he was not aware
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what was, but instead he chose to take on Dune and.
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But once he chose it, he really committed a.
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Lynch went deep into the material, writing multiple
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drafts of the screenplay and worked closely with Frank
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Herbert to shape the adaptation. During casting, a relatively
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unknown actor, Kyle McLaughlin, was discovered while performing
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at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.
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I also think that's important to note as Kyle is kind of like the
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the main character that we'll be talking about through all three
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points in our series and this David Lynch series will be
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talking about on the podcast. He was just about to head to New
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York to start auditioning professionally, but landing the
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head rolling dune changed everything.
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Not only did it launch his film career, it also marked the
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beginning of his long Crave partnership with Lynch, which
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will later include Blue Velvet and occult TV phenomenon Twin
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Peaks. Fun fact, Helena Bonham Carter
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was originally considered for for Princess and Ruling but had
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to pass due to a scheduling conflict with A Room with a
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View. I mean, she chose the right
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project, but can. You imagine that would have
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been. So cool.
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The record scratch in my office. When I read that I was like.
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What the record scratch in my head just.
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Now, I, I did not have to include that on the notes, but
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just because it's me and you, I was like putting that in there.
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If you haven't, I'd have been annoyed.
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Nothing to do with David Lynch, but.
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Oh my gosh, I literally just pictured her in that opening
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gown. Princess of Roulin.
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Wares or that opening long monologue of her explaining what
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the spice is for like 5 minutes but also think about how
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different the world would be because her career might not
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have jumped off. That's true.
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I mean room with a view is so. It's so good.
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It's so good. Anyways, the production itself
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was a lot dot dot dot is what I wrote down.
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Filming in Mexico City stretched on for over three years and
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pushed the budget close to its limit, and that makes sense when
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you consider the scale. Dune is an incredibly dense,
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expensive novel, and translating that to the screen was no small
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task. Once David Lynch had a workable
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screenplay, that same skill carried over into production in
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Mexico City, where 75 sets and thousands of costumes were
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created to fully realize his vision of Frank Herbert's
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universe. By end of filming, Lynch had
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assembled a work print that reportedly ran between 4:00 and
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5:00 hours. He eventually cut down to a
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version closer to three hours, but that still wasn't acceptable
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to producer Dino De Laurentiis. This is where the issues began.
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Well, on paper. In this conversation, De
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Laurentiis pushed for a much shorter runtime, believing the
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film need to land closer to two hours to succeed in theaters.
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So the film was heavily condensed.
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Entire sequences were either removed or significantly
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shortened, and reshoots were ordered to incorporate new
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material, including the opening where Princess of Ruling, played
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by Virginia Madison, speaks directly to the audience to help
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set up the story. These additions came after test
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audiences reported that the film was difficult difficult to
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follow, but arguably they only made things more confusing.
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Lynch has been vulc about his frustration if not having a
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final cut, and he's consistently declined opportunities to
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revisit or re edit Dune. In fact, when an extended
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version was later prepared for television, he requested that
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his name be removed entirely, replacing it with Alan Smithy,
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the pseudonym traditionally used by directors who wish to
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distance themselves from a project.
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So. So there's a good version of
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this movie out there. Well, actually, it's funny and
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I'm actually about to play everyone a clip of David Lynch
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talking about it and his words kind of like as a like this is
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me talking about and I don't want to talk about it anymore.
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But even they say like, oh, so maybe there is some good parts
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and he's like, even still, I don't agree.
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He's like, no, even a longer version of it is still not
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exactly. I'd still I'm like no, sure,
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it's sure it's better, but no. Let's watch.
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So without further ado, the master himself, David Lynch.
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Can I ask you why you consider Dune A disappointment?
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Dune I didn't have final cut on. It's the only film I've made
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that I didn't have. I didn't technically have final
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cut on The Elephant Man, but Mel Brooks gave it to me.
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And on Dune, I started selling out even in the script phase,
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knowing I didn't have final cut and I I sold out.
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So it was it was a slow dying, the death and a terrible,
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terrible experience do. You regret making.
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Yes, except it just nailed this idea.
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Never ever do a film without Final Cut.
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And why would I have done it? I don't know how it happened.
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I trusted that it would work out, but it was very naive and
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the wrong move. He's.
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Got a lot of fans. There's some things about it,
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but overall it was squeezed because in those days the
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maximum length they figured I could have is 2 hours and 17
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minutes, and that's what the film is.
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So they could get, they wouldn't lose the screening a day.
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And so it's again, money talking and not for the film at all.
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And so it was like compacted and it hurt it.
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It hurt it. I mean, everyone's been has been
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taught for years about your version of it, which does not.
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Exist. No, it doesn't exist.
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There is no other version. There's more stuff, but even
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that is is putrefied, so yeah. Putrefied.
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Damn. So.
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He hated that whole experience. Yeah, not a fan.
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Aw, poor David Lynch. Not a fan, but what I did find
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interesting though going going on.
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David Lynch though being the guy he is, has often looked back on
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Dune as you just heard as a frustrating experience shaped by
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a compromise. But he is still in turn, has
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also described it as both great and horrible.
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Side by side and even with an attention, there were meaningful
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creative relationships that have endured.
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Like obviously, like with Kyle McLachlan.
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Despite his clashes with Dino De Laurentiis over the final cut,
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Lynch has always spoken warmly about both Dino and Rafaela De
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Laurentiis, as he later reflected.
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I love Dino and I love Rafaela as I loved working with them.
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We were like a family and I just know the way they are and I know
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the way I am. We loved each other in spite of
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it. The mutual respect clearly went
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both ways. De Laurentiis believed in
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Lynch's talent and gave him the opportunity to follow Dune with
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a smaller, more personal project, Blue Velvet.
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The De Laurentiis Entertainment Group finance.
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Blue Velvet, which I did not know, that with greater creative
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freedom, Lynch was able to fully embrace his voice, and the
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result is now considered one of his most defining works.
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And from the perspective of Frank Herbert, there's plenty to
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admire in Dune as well, especially visually reflecting
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on a film, he said. I get asked a specific question
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a lot of the times if the settings, the scenes that I saw
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on David's film match my original imagination.
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I must tell you that some of them do precisely.
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Some of them don't and some of them are better, which is what
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you would expect of artists such as David and and Tony Masters.
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I'm delighted with that. We're not taking proof on it
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visually, and as far as I'm concerned, the film is a visual
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feast. So while Dune may not have fully
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aligned of Lynch's original version, it became a crucial
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stepping stone, one that led directly into more personal and
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uncompromised phase of his career.
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A phase that begins with Blue Velvet and continues into the
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worlds of Twin Peaks and on. So that is what Dune really is
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to the beginning of David Lynch's very storied career.
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I love that Herbert was like, yeah, no, I liked good parts of
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it. It.
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Was like, I wasn't, it was cool of me.
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Yeah, and I'm like, honestly, like without basically Lord of
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the Rings coming along and being like, hey, people will stick
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around for multiple films. I don't think we ever would have
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gotten a good film adaptation of Dune.
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The sci-fi channel around the 2000s have series which I really
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want to watch. Apparently they're very good but
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it's like no wonder there were he had to do compromises like
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the like Tchaikovsky's do never even got off the ground.
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Like it sounds like this barely got me when all was said and
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done. And also, which is really weird
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about this, is even though this was such a mess, I read in
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several places that they still were, including David Lynch,
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they were writing a sequel still, like amongst all this,
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they were still working on a sequel.
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What? Obviously they stopped doing it,
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but like. Like I'm pretty this like did
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not do well to box office. I'm pretty sure no, they did
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not. They did not make the budget
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back, so that was probably when they decided not to do the
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sequel. But they were writing a sequel,
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so I don't know. Like so much more makes sense
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now because I was like, what is with all this voice over of like
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what people are thinking and it's like, oh, they had to cut
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out three hour. Yeah, I mean, just to put the
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bed, my qualm biggest call for the movie is I feel like the
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first half, which actually if you look at today's new Dune
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movies, what they do well is like I feel like this 1984 Dune
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is like the first half feels like strong to me, which is what
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you see in Dune Part 1 today. And it's like up until like what
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we've seen do in Part 2 in 84, it's like where it starts to
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fall apart because all of a sudden they're like rushing.
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All of a sudden we have 45 minutes to like figure out the
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whole like where we get to the end of this movie.
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It just rushes so quickly. Also there's like a little girl
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and and in this head dress and all of a sudden it's like, Oh my
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God, what's going on here? But I don't know.
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But what I do know is that I think the costumes in Dune are
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so much fun and we have a lot to talk about.
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I can't wait. To jump into.
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It let's take a little break and when we come back we're going to
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talk about the costumes of Dune the spice.
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Spencer Yes. Are you ready to jump into the
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work of Bob Ringwood on Dune? I am so excited to get into it,
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especially because I have to admit I thought we weren't going
25:19
to get a whole lot of information on these costumes,
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especially how bad everyone seems to remember these
25:25
costumes. But you and I were pretty stoked
25:27
because we found some DVD featurette footage.
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So before we get into it, we have a special treat for
25:35
everyone. We are going to show you some of
25:38
that footage from the special features where you get to
25:41
actually, if you're watching on YouTube, hopefully we don't get
25:45
hit with any disclaimers, but you'll be able to watch Bob
25:49
Ringwood talk about the costumes.
25:51
And if you're listening, you'll hear a sweet British voice that
25:54
will be Bob Ringwood talking about the costumes.
25:58
So without further ado, let's have Bob Ringwood talk about the
26:00
costumes. And afterwards, we'll be talking
26:03
about on them. Just Elizabeth and I, as we
26:06
always do. We had, I think in the end about
26:08
four months to produce just under 8000 or 9000 costumes.
26:12
And there were certainly times when the workload was very
26:15
heavy. I mean, I can remember working
26:17
through the night on several occasions to get costumes ready
26:20
for the next morning for the shooting.
26:23
And literally, I'd still be stitching on beads and bits of
26:26
braid and, you know, right up the last moment as it was being
26:29
sort of taken out of the door. It was a nightmare and great
26:33
fun. The clothes for even principal
26:35
characters were often done at the very last minute and had to
26:37
be sort of improvised out of anything that was around the
26:40
Sadaka, for instance, they wore these specific type of mask with
26:44
this breathing apparatus on. The actual breathing apparatus
26:47
was, you know, car hoses, you know, anything we could find.
26:51
Everyone thinks that movies are prepared for months is all
26:53
carefully thought about. Often it's just off the top of
26:55
your head at the last minute in, you know, whatever time you can
26:58
get it done. In the scene where Sting wears
27:04
that sort of wing jock strap that was slated to be shot nude
27:07
and Stinger agreed to do it nude.
27:09
But the studio at the last minute panicked and thought they
27:11
couldn't have Sting in the nude. So literally, I think at
27:14
midnight the night before, they rang me up and said you've got
27:16
to put him in something. So we made this sort of winged G
27:20
string thing. And so it was ready the next
27:22
morning from to shoot on so he wouldn't be actually nude.
27:26
The Guild navigators look very sinister and strange.
27:29
And the reason they look Sinner strange is that the San Diego
27:32
Fire Department was tearing down one of its old fire stations.
27:35
And at the back they found all these 19, I think they were
27:38
actually twenties, 30s and 40s body bags, used body bags.
27:41
And they were large canvas tarpaulins with all these cross
27:45
banded webbing straps on. And they were painted with tar.
27:48
And when we undid them, they were, you know, they were bits
27:51
of bodies, not not actual bits of bodies, but you know, fluids
27:53
and they weren't very pleasant. I didn't tell them till they'd
27:56
finished that they actually used body bags.
27:58
The Barons were was was all based on industrial wear or
28:02
protective industrial wear because, you know, I figured
28:04
that that was a polluted environmental place.
28:07
It was essential that Ken McMillan looked heavy.
28:09
I mean he was a, he was a well built map, but he was, I would
28:12
say he was under 200 lbs and we had to make him look as though
28:14
it was 500 lbs. When Ken put it on, he couldn't
28:17
stand up. I mean it was too much weight
28:18
for him to stand up. So we had a harness built
28:20
underneath and he, we made a, a metal A-frame and he was wheeled
28:23
around the studio to do shots and hooked onto his flying 1.
28:26
So he never stood up in that suit ever.
28:28
He was always hanging in it. It was very funny.
28:34
One of the most interesting things about designing Doom was
28:37
the solving the steel suit. You know, the steel suit is the
28:40
essential, you know, central thing of the movie.
28:42
And to me it seemed that it should have a sort of futuristic
28:47
aboriginal quality. So they were almost tribal.
28:50
And every single suit was handmade.
28:52
He had to do body casts, from which we made fiberglass forms.
28:56
And then from there we would draw the pattern in chalk on the
28:59
unitard and start cutting from the patterns of each foam rubber
29:05
section, blade them on one by one until we got all the under
29:09
structure built, including the tubing.
29:12
We would brush coat it then with a thick latex and then spray
29:16
coat it with another thinner latex for a final seal.
29:20
At that point, put it in an oven where it would just kind of help
29:23
the latex dry. The women had to obviously have
29:25
breasts rather than than sort of pecs.
29:28
And so I did a sort of a female version and we did children's
29:31
versions on it, too. They were really quite
29:34
comfortable until, of course, you got them out of the hot sun
29:37
in the desert and, you know, at 110° and started running around
29:41
and fighting battles and sweating in them.
29:43
I think down in Mexico, they would call them the death suits.
29:46
Max von Cedar was standing there in the desert, hot, and his
29:48
fingertips were dripping sweat. And I asked him if he was
29:51
comfortable and was it all OK? And he said no, it's absolute
29:53
hell. But it looks so good.
29:54
I'll put up with it. So, you know, that's how they
29:57
felt about it. They all, all the men had the
29:59
body they'd never had. You know, they had got muscles
30:01
suddenly. So they loved it.
30:02
And I was determined that the steel suit was going to be very
30:04
sexy. There were a lot of sexy clothes
30:07
in that movie that never hit the screen.
30:08
Francesco, a wonderful night dress was dripping in in sort of
30:12
squares and, and dissolved into silk.
30:15
And you could see her body. But I mean, you know, she was
30:17
shot covered in a cheap cotton sheet.
30:19
And I could have killed everybody.
30:20
A lot of the work that we did, you just don't see.
30:22
There were costumes that we made which shouldn't even make it
30:25
onto the screen. We made 2000 costumes with hats.
30:29
David decided he didn't want the Fremen to have these
30:31
headdresses, so they never appeared.
30:34
You put all this work into it and a fraction shows, but I
30:37
think overall you can tell the richness, you know, that there
30:41
was a lot of work there. So, you know, I feel very proud
30:44
that I, you know, I worked on it.
30:49
Well, well, well, David. So much work went into this
30:54
film. Yeah.
30:58
Like 7000 costumes, I said. The fact that thousands, yeah,
31:03
the fact that so many hats were made and they were just cut.
31:06
No wonder they didn't make their fucking budget back like.
31:13
It's insane that's. Insane.
31:15
Watching them make distill suits that, I mean, that was like eye
31:18
candy. Yeah, I could have.
31:19
I could watch that all day. Because like the costumes in
31:23
this, I know people have opinions about the costumes,
31:26
like I get it, but in my opinion they hold up.
31:28
They hold up. They're they're creepy, they're
31:31
mean, they're kind of cool. They're kind of gothy, honestly,
31:34
they're edgy. They're.
31:35
It's 80s in the best way possible, like from my view like
31:39
that very like structured geometric shape to everything
31:45
which for the Dune universe works.
31:48
Yeah, I honestly, I honestly don't get what people are hating
31:54
on. I really don't get it.
31:57
Aside from like. They're spooky, yeah, but that's
32:01
kind of the point for most of these characters.
32:04
Especially with the the Guild men being dressed in body bags.
32:08
Oh, that's so cool. So disgusting.
32:12
Spooky but so cool. That's like my.
32:15
Food in them. That's like my favorite.
32:18
It's. Not sanitary, Spencer.
32:20
Not sanitary, but that's. I mean they probably clean them,
32:23
but still. That's so heavy metal.
32:25
I mean, so metal, actually, yes. You know what?
32:31
Reduce for use recycle means. Happy Earth Day.
32:41
Hell yeah, brother. That's cool.
32:47
I don't know. Yeah.
32:49
Yeah. Let's start with I figured we'd
32:52
start with the Royal Court of the Emperor because a lot
32:56
happens just right off the top of this movie when you see the
32:58
Emperor Princess Erulin, I'm pricing that name wrong again.
33:04
I'm suddenly getting flashbacks to us getting hate comments from
33:07
Dune Part 2. Really.
33:09
Yeah, because they're saying is her name wrong where I was?
33:12
But it's OK, It's OK. It's probably the same person
33:17
who's going to e-mail us again and be like, it's me again.
33:20
Well, do you know what? I didn't learn?
33:21
So it's OK, We're back. Here we go.
33:24
Here we go. Welcome back to the podcast.
33:28
But. We start with the core of the
33:30
Space Emperor. The space guy and just off the
33:36
top, the costumes are just incredible.
33:40
Yeah, very structured, very couture and the best way
33:44
possible. Lots of high collars.
33:47
And then just when you think it can get more batshit than the
33:49
Spacing Guild walks in with their giant Spacing Guild
33:54
director. Yeah, the.
33:57
Floating head and the tank. The the guy who has just done it
34:02
too much, That's what eventually they all become really.
34:06
If they don't die, that's like, 'cause I remember I did like
34:11
that it was in this movie, 'cause it wasn't in, it's not in
34:15
the new Dune movies. Clearly Denis Villeneuve did not
34:18
know how to go about. That no.
34:19
And you know what? I do think David Lynch nailed it
34:23
here. Feels like I got you one.
34:25
Thing Herbert is like, there were things that were exactly
34:28
the way I imagined them. I'm like, I think this was one
34:31
of them. If there's one person who knows
34:33
how to get around the floating head in the tank, it's.
34:36
David Lynch Rest. In peace.
34:38
My guy. Absolutely.
34:41
And I'm like the floating head man surrounded by these guys who
34:49
are clearly slowly falling apart in body bags.
34:53
Like just tells you everything you need to know about the Space
34:57
Guild is they're pissed, they're scary, and they don't want to
35:00
put up with this shit. Yeah, they're so terrifying.
35:04
And then like also seeing the like the Sauder car two who have
35:07
like those very terrifying helmets.
35:10
I love how the Sauder car just like consistently terrifying in
35:13
like every edition of Dune. Yeah, too.
35:18
And then the emperor and the Princess, they're very
35:22
reminiscent of like 18th and 17th century imperial royalty,
35:31
like very much dragged out from the past.
35:37
And it just like it just fit so well, especially with the decor,
35:43
like the set is almost like art decoy.
35:49
So their looks fit in a lot better than the Guild and the
35:54
Sadakar. I especially love the collars in
35:59
this. The princess's collars, just
36:01
like, just kissed me. Yeah, she's beautiful.
36:04
And I like how the emperor feels like while he's quite regal, the
36:10
way he, like he said, like he feels a little bit more like
36:13
17th, 18th century, like when the Spacing Guild walks in, the
36:18
way he feels a little bit more like, I don't want to say
36:21
dressed down, but he feels a little bit more like feels.
36:27
Not as powerful. Right.
36:29
Like when the Spacing Guild walks in, it feels like they're
36:31
in control a little bit. Because I feel like it's almost
36:34
like he has an old kind of power and they have a new.
36:37
Yeah, they're like, there's this like cute little emperor in
36:40
front of me, but like, we're the ones wearing freaking body bags.
36:44
Because in this world they control the means of
36:48
transportation, AKA the means of transporting spice, which is
36:53
like aside from having a raucous itself is like the second
36:57
strongest thing you can you can have.
36:59
And you're a guy in a chair, which it's like not to like talk
37:03
about our own, talk about our own world, but like people in
37:06
their own royalties. Like it's like, oh, OK, that's
37:09
cute. But like.
37:11
But like, what are you doing? Yeah.
37:12
You know, Anyways, let's check in with the tradies and see what
37:17
they're up to in this version of Dune, Very military.
37:22
Except in this version of Dune, they're all have a standard pug
37:27
sent to everybody. Everyone has their their own
37:30
pug, which is cute Pug. It's one of my favorite part.
37:36
It's part of the uniform. Everyone has a pug.
37:39
You know what, I think if everyone had a pug in the
37:42
military, the world would be a better place.
37:45
It's part of the costume. Also, I always forget Patrick
37:50
Stewart's in this film. It's always a jump scare.
37:53
I'm like, Oh my God, what are you doing in here?
37:56
How did they book you in this? Imagine signing.
38:00
Up for the army and you go to boot camp and they're like
38:03
here's your military issue bug. Well, that's what they do in
38:06
House of Tradies. It's very adorable.
38:09
That's why House Harkins hates them so much.
38:11
My brain went on a whole side tangent.
38:15
Anyway, I'm back. That's.
38:17
Why they're so hated? And they kind of, they again
38:22
have that like very like old world power fuel to them, like
38:27
the Emperor, which I like in comparison to the Hearkenon.
38:34
It's that same comparison between the Emperor and the
38:38
Guild, but with the tradies, it's like they're obviously much
38:43
more focused. Yeah, very more, much more
38:46
focused for uniform. Very.
38:48
Oh my gosh, what's the word I'm looking for?
38:50
Very much. Much more utilitarian.
38:54
Yeah, but also very. What's the word I'm looking for?
39:00
Help me. They're very.
39:04
I can't read your. Mind, I know they're very well.
39:08
I just give up. This is going to kill me.
39:11
It's going to kill you, not. It's like they're all like doing
39:16
the right thing, like they don't fall out.
39:18
They're by the book. They're by the book, but
39:21
they're, yeah, I mean, we're we're getting.
39:23
That's where I'm trying to get to.
39:27
They're all by the book. They're all by the book.
39:30
They all follow the rules. They're all by the book.
39:32
They're the goody 2 shoes of the universe.
39:34
They all fall in line. No one fears off the course.
39:39
No, they all follow the path. We're not getting to the word I
39:43
want to say, but it's we're we're beating around the Bush.
39:47
Let. Me know when it comes to you.
39:49
I'm going to text you at 3:00 AM this morning.
39:56
But yes, I also forget that Patrick Stewart was in this
39:59
film. Yeah, and.
40:01
Very interesting. It is not his best performance.
40:04
I honestly forget that he's in it.
40:06
I don't know that he's in it too much.
40:08
He kind of disappears in it and that reappears that that's.
40:10
Like most of the people, except for Paul and his mom, everyone
40:14
like appears and disappears and reappears and disappears.
40:17
And that was like another one of my problems with this film.
40:22
There are incredible actors in this movie.
40:25
It's nobody's best performance because.
40:29
Maybe their best performances were cut.
40:31
Yeah, true. But yeah, everyone kind of has
40:34
like same costumes because it's very uniform.
40:36
But then Lady Jessica does have like some random like.
40:40
Yeah. Yeah, especially that one white
40:43
look she has that I'm just like, OK, that's very, it is very like
40:47
kind of Adrian a little bit. It's so Adrian, it's so 80s.
40:52
It's so 80s like power suit woman. 80s but also also kind of
40:57
like 40s a little. Bit like yes, it's like 80s
41:00
hookah tour that was looking back at the golden age of
41:03
Hollywood like. Just for no reason.
41:06
Yeah, like Lady Jessica's just walking.
41:09
Well, I mean, I guess that is kind of like the Lady Jessica MO
41:12
too, just walking around just serving looks.
41:14
That's literally all she has to. Do she knows she broke the rules
41:18
of her order some Might as well walk around and serve, yeah?
41:22
One thing I am annoyed about this film, and I don't think
41:25
it's in the new films, is they cut out the fact that like they
41:28
had a daughter, like Paul had a younger sister who drowned.
41:34
I don't know that. Have you read the book?
41:36
I stopped once I realized that I was going to be watching one
41:40
more film, so I just. You should watch you.
41:42
Should I try not to go book, film, book, film, you know?
41:44
I tried to film, film, film and then just book, book, book, you
41:47
know? Because when they're like, you
41:48
didn't do what we told you to and had a daughter and she's
41:51
like, well, I did, but she died, sorry.
41:54
What are you going to do literally anyway?
41:58
So yes, love the tradies look. Kyle looks great in his suit.
42:03
But of course things are going to change once they get to a
42:06
raucous. I want to talk about the
42:09
Benediser order because that is where we really get to get to
42:14
some campy costumes. I love the Reverend Mother look
42:20
because this is really some interesting costumes.
42:23
Those hoods were serving. Yeah, they're fun.
42:27
I don't know whose decision was to make them bald with like that
42:30
headdress that. Neither do I Covers.
42:33
Just like that interesting head shape.
42:35
I don't even know how it's being held on their head.
42:39
I actually for the longest time I thought that was their hair.
42:43
No. It's not it's, it's just a
42:46
headpiece. Which like, I find it so
42:48
interesting because they don't have eyebrows either.
42:52
They've all shaved off their eyebrows.
42:56
And like, like, because I was trying to remember, I was like,
42:58
was this in the book? And like, I don't think so,
43:01
because the Benny Jesuit are very much about like, looking
43:05
good like, because that's part of their power.
43:11
Yeah, well. I.
43:14
Don't know, this is more like a nun take honestly.
43:17
Yeah. I mean, they all eat so it.
43:19
Doesn't even matter. Yeah, you guys ate that?
43:25
But I love it's almost like a like a fallen back French hood.
43:29
Yeah. Which I think is so interesting
43:32
and like these cloaks they show up in, I know it's like.
43:36
It's, yeah. I mean, it's, it's one of my
43:39
favourites. And I love see this part of
43:41
film. To me, I was enjoying myself
43:44
when she shows up and she's going to have Paul put his hand
43:48
in the box, you know, and then, like, don't put your hand out.
43:51
You're like an animal gnawing off your own hand.
43:53
Like to me, like, that part of film is still fun.
43:56
Like, to me, nothing was fine. Well, except for the long part
43:59
beginning when the Princess is talking too long.
44:02
But like, this part of film was on track for me.
44:04
It wasn't falling off yet. The fall off doesn't happen
44:07
until Leto dies. That's when things start to get
44:10
interesting. Yeah.
44:13
Yeah. So we were still on track at
44:15
this point of film. I can.
44:17
I kind of like though you can see for the Dell new movies, you
44:22
can kind of see some inspiration taken from here.
44:25
Yeah, yeah, especially in her, like her like.
44:28
Even though Denis Vannev claims that he did not watch this film,
44:34
which I. I think some other people did.
44:36
Yeah, he did claim people on the team didn't watch it.
44:40
But it's funny now that I didn't say this earlier, but we talked
44:45
about Cleopatra in our last season, and I can't see a lot of
44:48
parallels between a lot of the production issues between this
44:52
film and Cleopatra. It's definitely one of those
44:56
things where it's like, OK, maybe the technology of the time
45:02
had not caught up with like the story.
45:04
I was thinking more like the second-half of Cleopatra's where
45:09
things start to fall apart. Oh, that too, yeah.
45:11
And like the second-half of Dune is like where things start to
45:14
fall apart in terms of like the film, Speaking of things falling
45:19
apart, the Harkin and family, especially the Baron Harkonnen,
45:24
there is a lot happening. Here, there was too much
45:27
happening. He's hard to look at.
45:31
Yeah, yeah. I love Bob Ringwood's video that
45:37
we were listening to of him basically being like, he's like
45:39
a 200 LB ish man, but that seat was like 500 LB.
45:44
Yeah. I did not realize he was on a
45:46
harness the whole time. Well, he had to be because he's
45:50
floating the whole time. Yeah, but like, yeah, this is
45:55
all of this. All of the Baron scenes made me
45:58
so uncomfortable. More than the new movies.
46:01
The new movies like his scenes make me uncomfortable.
46:03
Yeah, well, that's also because Town Scars Garden is just a
46:06
baddie. Yes, he is, but this like made
46:10
me 'cause like the Baron is just such a horrible character and
46:16
like there are issues with his characterization.
46:18
I understand that. And like in this movie, they
46:21
like just made it so much worse. Yeah, it was creepy.
46:26
And then his costume, it's almost like, it's almost like
46:30
I've. I love the first one we see
46:32
because it's almost like a white bandage kind of look, but then
46:35
it almost feels like it's borderline straight jacket a
46:38
little bit, a little. Bit because he's clearly losing.
46:41
It he's clearly losing it, but then he like attacks that one
46:46
person and it's like or he like vampiric a little bit.
46:49
I don't understand what's going on with the blood cap thing.
46:54
I was like, should I pick up the book?
46:56
But then I was like, I don't know.
47:01
That's them trying to cover up some appalling behavior from the
47:05
book. OK.
47:07
In a really strange way, yeah. That's.
47:09
Fair, that's fine. We're not going to dive into it.
47:11
That's not Yeah, let's. Not let's move on to the
47:16
nephews. I love talking about the nephews
47:19
we have Rabin Rabon. Rabon.
47:24
Rabon and of course Fade Ratha, played by Sting.
47:28
Sting was my favorite part of this film.
47:30
It's everyone's favorite part. I mean, when people talk about
47:35
do 1984, they're like the one with Sting in it.
47:38
He like, yeah. Like Sting was like, I'm here to
47:43
look good and be a baddie and I can do that.
47:45
Yeah, does he even have any lines in it?
47:48
Barely. Barely, barely.
47:52
He walks on a jock strap at one point, which now realizing he's
47:55
supposed to do nude. I mean, imagine like what?
48:01
And then yeah, there's the dueling scene at the end.
48:03
Other than that, I can't think of what else he's really in.
48:06
But. There's that one weird scene
48:08
with like the pet that they take to.
48:10
What's his face? Yeah, to take care of good stuff
48:13
like what is happening here. But this is like, to me, the
48:17
when we see the two nephews together, to me this is like Bob
48:22
or Ringwood, like Creme de la Creme of his costume.
48:25
This is like his signature costuming, the way you see like
48:28
the ribbing and like the leather on their costumes.
48:31
I'm assuming it's leather. I can't be so sure.
48:34
But like just that texture. That's like Bob Ringwood
48:39
specialty. You see it in the Alien films,
48:41
you see it in the Batman films. It's just something I just see
48:45
in a lot of his design choices. His he, he loves that choice.
48:51
Yeah, he absolutely does. And I think these ones are
48:55
really interesting because like the Harkins have had control of
49:00
rackets for quite a while, and it almost feels like they've had
49:05
control of it long enough that like, the still suit look is
49:10
almost kind of like creeping into their fashion.
49:14
Yeah, cuz both of their costumes reminded me of the from and
49:19
still. Suits, yeah, I think that's
49:21
fair. I did kind of think about a
49:22
little bit. It does feel a little still suit
49:24
like yeah, cuz then once you see the still suits are like it does
49:28
kind of blur together a little bit too.
49:31
They spend so much time on a Rakis, yeah.
49:34
Like they're definitely not steel suits, but it's like
49:37
someone was like, oh, those things look cool.
49:41
Our fashion should kind of reflect since we control this
49:44
powerful. Totally.
49:46
Domain. Yeah, Speaking of the steel
49:50
suits, let's finally get over to Iraqis and meet the Fremen.
49:53
Yeah, still like a nice place, you know?
49:58
I mean, it feels a little bit dustier, but the Fremen are
50:02
pretty nice people. Per usual.
50:04
We don't really get to spend as much time with them as we might
50:07
like. The steel suits are great
50:12
though. Oh yeah, I.
50:14
Like them? I they look, I think they look
50:16
great. Again, it's a very like 80s
50:19
look, but you know, it very much convey, it's very utilitarian.
50:27
It very much conveys like what they're supposed to do, which is
50:31
recycle water and just watching them like make them and how much
50:38
work put into them. And that even though like people
50:41
were like dripping sweat wearing them, they still like wanted to
50:48
wear them. Like when people are dripping
50:50
sweat in your costumes, but they still want to wear them.
50:54
I'm like, I think you've made something pretty incredible.
50:56
Yeah, and they're they're very focused on like the, I like how
51:01
they're focused on like the human anatomy and the muscles
51:04
too. I think that looks really cool.
51:07
And the aging and dying is great.
51:08
Obviously it looks like they're actually wearing these in the
51:11
desert, which I believe they are.
51:12
It feels very consistent through all the costumes.
51:17
I was so excited to see one of my favorite actresses, Sean
51:20
Young, who played Cheney, who's also in Blade Runner, looks like
51:24
a completely different actress. Oh yeah.
51:26
Even though she's actually older than this film than she was in
51:29
Blade Runner, she. Was younger.
51:32
She was also younger, which is crazy.
51:37
She is a great Cheney, even though I feel like she's still
51:40
barely in it, too. Oh, she's barely in it, which is
51:44
so weird to me. Yeah, but I love her steel suit,
51:47
too. I feel like she, like, has a
51:48
great example. The steel suit, of course.
51:51
The sandworm ride is a hilarious scene.
51:55
That is where they really show the age in this film, though.
51:58
Yeah, well. And I mean, even for the I does
52:03
it show the age of the film? Yes.
52:05
Was it still pretty good visual effects?
52:08
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was fun.
52:09
Like Kyle looking over that was like pretty hilarious.
52:14
Yeah. Yeah.
52:18
But I do like cuz it gave us a much better view of the still
52:21
suits. Yeah, especially that human
52:23
anatomy you're talking about, like like the how it looks like
52:27
muscle. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of,
52:30
I mean, obviously this is way later, but it reminds me of like
52:32
the Bram Stoker's Dracula armour.
52:35
Like that would come like many years later.
52:37
I'll just kind of traces the human anatomy.
52:39
So it's, it's pretty cool. And I, I just, I, yeah, I love
52:43
the steel suit armour. I still wish I had some steel
52:46
suit armour one day. I don't know there, there has to
52:50
be some steel suit armour just floating around out there.
52:53
Yeah, it's probably a couple $1000.
52:55
Wow. I mean, hey, I actually have
53:01
this picture here. I meant to show this a little
53:03
bit earlier that shows like a little bit more detailed.
53:04
Look at the armor too, which I feel like on Cheney you could
53:08
see a little bit more of like the detailed pieces over Bob was
53:13
talking about. Obviously on the women the
53:15
breast has is like a little bit more defiant so you can see the
53:17
plastic piece. Yeah, so much Latex.
53:22
So if you guys are watching on YouTube, you could see just a
53:25
little bit more of the definition of distill suit.
53:28
Very interesting. I love the the rope that the
53:32
Fremen were using to ride the sandworm.
53:34
I'm like 95% it's jump rope, right?
53:38
I was just going to say I remember like the jump rope in
53:41
elementary. School the plastic ones that
53:43
hurt like hell that would hit you in like double Dutch and
53:48
then they're and they'd break if they hit the concrete too hard.
53:52
I'm like 95% sure they're jump ropes.
53:55
I I think so. Too but like.
53:59
It was fun. Yeah, but we'll let that go, OK?
54:05
I I before I knew that Bob Ringwood was good talking about
54:11
these, I put the pictures of the infamous sting jock strap.
54:17
Yeah, I mean any comment. No, no.
54:22
Pretty, pretty perfect, yeah. I mean.
54:26
I wish the I wish the studio had been brave and just.
54:31
Come on, you guys are brave enough to tell David Lynch to
54:35
cut 2 1/2 hours from his movie? You can't be brave to tell Sting
54:39
to take off his jock strap. I mean, cowards.
54:44
Sting didn't want the jock strap.
54:46
He was fine without the jock strap.
54:47
Yeah, they were like, how dare you put Sting nude in our film?
54:51
I. Know they didn't want an R
54:52
rating. What was this rated?
54:54
PD 13. Yeah, they didn't want an R
54:57
rating. Yeah, they were like, this movie
54:59
is going to struggle as it is. If there was going to be a David
55:04
Lynch cut, that's what it been the sting cut.
55:08
You know, I don't think they have any footage of him without
55:10
that on. Well, unfortunately.
55:13
See, this is if I don't condemn AI use, but if we were ever
55:18
going to use AI for things, this is what it should be used for,
55:21
is what I'm saying. Cut that out.
55:28
OK? Maybe leave it in?
55:29
Note to self cut. That out note to self cut that
55:32
out. I just, I just wish.
55:34
The studio had been brave and just let Sting do it nude.
55:38
But it is a cool jock strap is what I wanted to say.
55:46
What I wanted to point out to the audience is that it's cool.
55:49
It's interesting and it's weird and I don't know how it how.
55:56
It's big and it's interesting. And it looks like it.
56:00
It looks like they honestly put it on post production.
56:04
Right, 'cause you. Can't see how it's attached to
56:06
his body. Right.
56:08
Anyways, I will proceed. We'll proceed.
56:12
We'll figure this out. Later.
56:13
Oh, this creepy kid. Let's talk about the creepy
56:16
child, which is also Paul Trady's sister.
56:20
Yeah, right. Which will be played by Anya
56:22
Taylor Joy in the new film, who will not be a baby.
56:25
So excited. So excited.
56:29
Very creepy in a film, but I have to say, as creepy as she
56:33
is, this this kid also serves though I.
56:36
Mean Oh she serves and gets shit done.
56:38
Yeah, I mean, that costume was pretty bad, Yeah.
56:41
And I cannot promise that my own daughter will not be wearing the
56:45
same costume for every Halloween.
56:47
That tracks for you bad, but you know what?
56:50
I'd be disappointed if I didn't see your child in this.
56:53
Imagine my daughter show up to your house with blue contacts
56:56
and holding a little knife. I just feel like here's all the
56:58
candy. I'm.
57:00
Done. Turn my lights off.
57:01
Throw. The bomination.
57:05
And you need to give her the little knife too, yeah.
57:07
Please. But yeah, I love, I love the
57:12
sister, especially how they do have her dressed up as like a
57:17
mini Reverend Mother. Yeah, which is not how I
57:20
imagined her from the book, but I think it fit in with the look
57:25
of the film, especially like the little doughnut on her head.
57:31
She's. A little Angel of darkness and
57:33
murder. So spooky, so random, and it
57:37
just a really catches you off guard.
57:39
But when it happens, it's good stuff.
57:42
That's a good one. Yeah.
57:46
I love that gossip. Yeah.
57:48
No, no. It's just like the Sting
57:49
underwear. Which leads us to the ultimate
57:53
showdown, the battle between Paul and Faye Rotha, which I
57:58
just love. Again, you get to see Paul's
58:01
still suit against Faye Rotha's Harken and armor and all of its
58:06
glory. It's just another like scene
58:10
that I think I actually do think they got this scene right.
58:14
It's not as long and not as tense as, you know, maybe the
58:18
Denis Villeneuve version, obviously because it's 1984, but
58:23
still like, I still think it's a lot of fun.
58:25
I do think it's one of the scenes that I think David
58:27
Lynch's version still got pretty right.
58:30
I think it's fun. I like the views we get of Fade
58:34
Rotha's costume. Yeah, especially 'cause you get
58:37
to see how kind of like with that signature Bob Ringwood
58:43
pleating. Yeah, it almost looks like
58:46
armor. Like plate armor.
58:48
Yeah, that almost sounds like a scale to it.
58:50
Yeah, going down the legs, I'm like, oh, you think you're some
58:55
medieval knight? He's like a Rockstar Knight,
58:58
honestly. Yeah, which I mean, it's Sting,
59:01
so yeah. Yeah, it's kind of medieval kind
59:04
of rock'n'roll with almost like a cod piece going on now that
59:08
I'm looking at. Absolutely a COD piece going on,
59:10
yeah. Now that I'm zoning in, I'm
59:12
like, oh OK, we got a cod piece going on.
59:15
I did not notice that. Literally everyone has cod
59:17
pieces going on. Right, just one is a little bit
59:21
more prominent than the others. Yeah.
59:26
Such a great scene. You get to see the emperor's
59:29
court come together with the Fremen and of course the Sadhu
59:32
car all come together in one. You see some jump ropes in the
59:36
background. Oh God comes together.
59:43
And then we have this final moment.
59:44
It's. A weird final moment.
59:46
Where Paul next to his sister who looks so cute next to him
59:52
and Paul is gifted this his new emperor robe, which I thought
59:57
was interesting. It has like this like acid, kind
1:00:00
of like burnout print on the side of it.
1:00:04
It looks like someone tried making kimono fabric, yeah.
1:00:09
Yeah, and. They were like, this is my first
1:00:12
try, I will. I do like the embroidery around
1:00:17
the edge of it. I'll say I think this is more
1:00:21
about the story than the Cape itself.
1:00:23
I didn't understand what was happening at this point because
1:00:26
he wasn't. They weren't.
1:00:28
It wasn't as clear as it was in the new films or in the book
1:00:33
that like he is now becoming emperor.
1:00:36
It felt more like he was like we have a racket, you all need to
1:00:39
fuck off and leave us alone. I was slightly confused too.
1:00:43
I mean, we know what's happened because we're do nerds, but I
1:00:47
can imagine in 1984 I've been like, did he just win a Cape?
1:00:51
Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:54
I because I was like, is he? No one's saying he's emperor
1:00:58
like Princess of ruling isn't like walking up to be like OK,
1:01:02
I'll be your wife. Yeah, did they even say he got
1:01:05
married or I don't? Know.
1:01:06
Yeah, OK. I don't know, cuz.
1:01:09
Well, I think part of it is also cuz he they're like, oh, he's so
1:01:12
in love with Cheney, which is true.
1:01:15
And like in the book, it's a little weird cuz he's like, OK,
1:01:19
I'll marry you, Princess or rulin.
1:01:21
So Cheney thinks like he's just going to like leave her.
1:01:23
Yeah. And then the mom's like, Nah,
1:01:25
don't worry about it. You'll be his mistress and have
1:01:27
all of his kids. Oh, good fun.
1:01:32
Well, and I believe that brings us to the end of Dune in 1994.
1:01:38
I got to admit with all this like issues, while I do think
1:01:42
it's good fun, if I were to watch this in the 80s, in 1984,
1:01:46
if I was like a teenager who went to the theaters, I think I
1:01:49
still would like this film. I think I would have liked it
1:01:53
too. I think I would have been like,
1:01:56
why is this so long? But also like, we're a sci-fi
1:02:00
fantasy nerd kids. So I think it would have more
1:02:03
just been like, Oh my gosh, look, something for us.
1:02:06
Yeah. Then like being overly critical
1:02:09
of it. And then also as a teenager,
1:02:12
you're not like as critical of stuff.
1:02:14
Yeah, except this would have been post some of the Star Wars
1:02:18
films though. Yeah, so.
1:02:20
But still, there was not an overwhelming amount of sci-fi
1:02:24
fantasy. Totally.
1:02:25
So I don't know, I still feel like, I mean I do actually do
1:02:31
this is like a OK mid film. So I don't know what's that.
1:02:36
Let's give our Stitch ratings. Spencer, what's your stitch?
1:02:40
Rating it's a 2. Same.
1:02:47
It's got a stitch for costumes and a stitch stitch for set
1:02:52
design, and that's about it. Yeah, Yeah.
1:03:01
Love that we just came together. On that one.
1:03:04
But what we can play is 1 costume to rule them all.
1:03:08
Let's hit it. The one costume to rule them
1:03:13
all. All right, Elizabeth, what is
1:03:18
your one costume to rule them all?
1:03:21
Spencer my one costume to rule them all was very, very early on
1:03:25
in the film. Doesn't get a lot of screen
1:03:28
time, but it was one of the first things I saw where I was
1:03:31
like, oh, this film might be pretty good.
1:03:35
And it is the very first costume we see Princess of Ruling in the
1:03:40
off the shoulder. OK.
1:03:42
Baroque beauty of a costume. It's like silvery black Gray.
1:03:48
Nice. She's just like stunning to have
1:03:52
to like get away before these freaks from the navigation Guild
1:03:57
or whatever walk in here and she's like OK father and she's
1:04:03
got this great Cape and I was just like, girl, get it?
1:04:09
And honestly, since watching it, I just think about that costume
1:04:13
sometimes. Yeah, it's a good one.
1:04:16
I'm. Just like.
1:04:16
It's a solid costume. Thank you.
1:04:18
Yeah, that's a good one. So.
1:04:20
Sir, what's your one costume to rule them all?
1:04:22
Oh, my costume. I mean, honestly, a few people
1:04:25
kind of wear the same costume, but mine was worn by the
1:04:28
Reverend Mother Mother Supreme of the Bened Jesuit Order.
1:04:33
I was just obsessed with the headpiece and the hood and the
1:04:37
robe. This is a badass costume.
1:04:40
It is. I just, I was like, what am I
1:04:42
looking at? This is so camp.
1:04:44
This is just badass. And it was just so sci-fi.
1:04:48
Like I was like, this is just like definition science fiction
1:04:51
fantasy weirdo stuff that I just love.
1:04:55
You know, I just, I don't know, I just people are like so
1:04:59
weirded out by this film and it's costumes and to me I'm just
1:05:02
like, this is this is what I live for is weird costumes like
1:05:06
live. I'm like, this is definition
1:05:08
sci-fi. This is like I like honestly, I
1:05:14
think people want more of this, but they don't know it.
1:05:18
Yeah, because especially like in the last like 1520 years, sci-fi
1:05:23
became like very mainstream in its look in terms of like
1:05:30
everything being pared down, being like very simple.
1:05:34
Cuz like, it's the future. You don't need frills in the
1:05:37
future. Sci-fi has become very dystopian
1:05:39
in a lot of. Films.
1:05:41
Yeah. And, and even in like even in
1:05:45
not dystopian ones, even in Star Trek, like the clean lines are
1:05:48
endless. Yeah.
1:05:50
And it's like, it's nice to see some sci-fi without clean lines.
1:05:55
Yeah, this is when they threw everything at it.
1:05:56
Yeah. And I kind of miss that
1:05:59
sometimes. This is when they were like,
1:06:01
let's just do. Everything threw everything and
1:06:04
the body bag at. The film.
1:06:08
Oh my gosh. Honorable mention to the body
1:06:09
bag costumes. Honestly don't even bring it up
1:06:12
because I might change my mind. That's so cool.
1:06:17
Of course that would be your. Favorite part of the film is
1:06:19
that they. Use the body bag.
1:06:20
Oh. Gosh, that's that's a good one.
1:06:24
Also, honorable mention to Sting's jockstrap underwear one
1:06:30
with that, that is the end of our Dune episode.
1:06:32
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1:06:35
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1:06:51
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1:06:55
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1:06:58
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1:07:01
We want to hear it all. But our David Lynch series
1:07:05
continues because Next up we're going to be talking about Blue
1:07:08
Velvet, which I am so excited because we started with Dune
1:07:12
because even though it is so conflicting, it gives a lot of
1:07:16
people different feelings from Dune spawned Blue Velvet, which
1:07:22
is when they're really like David literally hit a stride
1:07:26
and. He locked in.
1:07:27
He locked in and he got to be himself.
1:07:31
And it's it gave us Isabella Rossellini, one of her like
1:07:35
greatest performances. He gave us one of Laura Dern's
1:07:38
greatest performances. Well, I don't know if one for
1:07:40
greatest, but I love Laura Dern in it and kind of love his
1:07:44
greatest performances. So many great mute, so much
1:07:47
great music. It's just such a great film and
1:07:50
it's it's so celebrated and he was like happy doing this film.
1:07:55
So because of Dune, we got Blue Velvet, which is why we did it
1:07:59
in this order. So I'm so excited for that
1:08:02
episode. Elizabeth's never seen Blue
1:08:05
Velvet before, no. I'm excited.
1:08:07
It's it's wild, it's interesting, it's weird.
1:08:10
I know, I've seen some pictures, I've seen some clips, and I'm
1:08:13
here for it. I'm not as weird as Dune though,
1:08:16
I mean. Oh, OK.
1:08:17
I mean, Dune's pretty weird. Yeah.
1:08:20
I mean, I guess you've seen Dune before, but you're not going to
1:08:23
see any like, floating heads in the tank talking about spice.
1:08:27
Yeah. But you'll see some weird stuff.
1:08:29
Yeah, sure. That's the David Lynch, so
1:08:33
that's not. Surprising.
1:08:38
Yeah, with that, I'm so excited we'll see you guys next episode
1:08:41
in the David Lynch series have. A good week.