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Miami Vice · Crosstabs

• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: I did have someone come up to me at church and say,
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just happened across an old photo of you when you first got married
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: and you really upgraded.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's what getting married does to you.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Starts to look less like a dork.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then they change you, Reagan.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's changing you.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what is it?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Stubbs?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Tubbs?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Tubbs and who's Miami Vice?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was Tubbs.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, gosh.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: But you got a little bit of the – you look more like Tubbs than Don Johnson.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: I am wearing my – we'll call it – I don't know what this color would be.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Linen dress jacket for those of us on our audio – on the audio side who won't be able to see.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Linen has a time frame.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: No white after Labor Day.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I know.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I got to get it in.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: You have till Monday, right?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's really a rule.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's not a rule anymore.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't follow that stuff.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm wearing white too, but it's a free country insurance financial t-shirt.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I've really upgraded my style, Reagan.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm now into free t-shirts.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know,
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: the closer Vicky and I get to retirement,
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: the more, you know, we got to save our nickels, you know.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: I do need to upgrade.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: I need to buy some more stuff for long session because you can't,
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: if you wear the same suit jackets like every year,
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know, it does it the same two or three that hang on the wall.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it's pretty crazy.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: So we have an official ruling on Lennon.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: Are you ready?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, ready.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: It is outdated to think that it is only worn between Memorial Day and Labor Day.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: But there are some different considerations.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so we have what they call the practical version,
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: which is during the warm months,
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  SPEAKER_02: light colored, loose linen, shirts, dresses, trousers, leans, breezy and casual.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cooler months,
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  SPEAKER_02: darker or richer toned linen,
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  SPEAKER_02: charcoal, olive, breast,
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  SPEAKER_02: navy, often layered under a sweater or blazer or blended with wool for structure.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: So they'll expect you did here to be a new version.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it still, but it didn't say, but it does say the word darker colors in the winter.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: In the cooler months.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: In the cooler months.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: It gives me something.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's addressing linen not just as a color, but also as a type of fabric.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think linen is used as both, I think.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Linen is actually a type of fabric.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, see, the color, then whatever this is, creamish.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: One of the 1,000 shades of white that are out there.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: But now I have something to shop for at Nordstrom Rack in Salem
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: before session starts,
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: which is where folks like me, Senator Mark Meek, we get all of our good stuff.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, throw Meek underneath the table.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that he'll be offended by that.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's upclassed himself with the Senator.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we're obviously joined by Representative Vicki Brice Iverson.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: I told her she was coming on the podcast today, so...
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: You told me?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I told you.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: We need to have a conversation about that.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: I told you.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I said we were missing some star quality and we needed you on the pod.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was being asked, but whatever.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't even check with scheduling.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, no.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I did.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: I checked with you like 10 minutes before.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: She said she's joining and I'm like, okay, I guess.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's always great to have you, boss.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, on our last pod, I got a lot of comments.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: I got some texts from people.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: That said about, remember we were talking about coffee, how I'm a reheat guy.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: I reheat the yesterday's coffee.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Did you get shamed by many people?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I had people tell me like, I'm a reheat guy too.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I did get a few people told me that that was gross.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like reheat coffee.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Disgusting.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I commandeered the dishwasher because nobody else is here at the Capitol except for Dawson.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Dawson in Ripshar's office.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm running all the mugs through to get them ready for ledge day.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll be able to pop those out and they'll be good to go.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent call.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: I want to clarify.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: I want to back up for a second.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: Did Reagan actually say that he's not a repeat guy?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: I will reheat the same day.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: I will not pick up coffee from the next day and reheat it.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: So to be clear,
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: when I find coffee in the microwave in the morning before you get there,
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: you throw that cup out, you don't actually drink that cup.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: That goes out, yes, 100%.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: That does not get drank.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I'll bring it to Bryan's office and he'll drink it, but I'm not
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: drunk.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's funny, I'm going to find old cups of coffee I bet now left on my desk.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: So Bryan, totally random, but I was in the car on my way up.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: My wife has same in office day.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I came to the Capitol today.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: But we're talking about this payroll transition that's going to happen in July
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  SPEAKER_00: of next year,
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  SPEAKER_00: where all state employees are going to go from being paid once a month
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: to every other week.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And we're talking about that.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that came through negotiation,
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: but it was something that management,
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: that DAS wanted back,
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: when Barry Leslie was in charge of DAS,
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  SPEAKER_00: because I guess of all the workday problems,
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: they thought that this switch on payroll was Was going
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: to be improve how they'd be able to pay people on workday.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to say I'm super duper skeptical because the one thing I know.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got a couple of family members that have worked in payroll.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you, every payroll cycle creates work.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: It creates work for you.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you got to do the withholdings.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have people that are having garnishments done.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do, you know, you have all of your stuff.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone you've onboarded that you're doing their health care and all that stuff.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine for the state of Oregon that taking the number of payroll cycles,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I understand we have some hourly employees and some other fringe stuff,
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: but I think most people are paid once a month if they're not hourly.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to double your number of payrolls.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, you're going to increase it from like 12 to 26, I think, 26 payments.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine that that isn't going to result in Das going,
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: oh my gosh, there's so much more payroll work now.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: We need more people.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me how this is saving money.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can't see how it's going to be helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's going to screw up everybody's bills because
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: if you don't have your bills already split this way,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you have everything come out on the first,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're going to be screwed if you don't have a lot of margin in your monthly budget
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: when you're only getting paid half your paycheck at the beginning of the month now.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Bryan, remember when we were young and we paid our bills with checks and we put them in
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  SPEAKER_02: the mail with a stamp?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had to budget a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_00: New strategy.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's no way this rollout goes smoothly and there's no way it saves the state money.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: How about we'll put that down for a Paul Evans marker because there's just no way.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I understand that unions probably want it for employees.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: I get the people that live paycheck to paycheck.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And there's probably more of a reason for them to want that.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I get that.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably fair.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the reality to want to just say that and just say,
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: you know, we're trying to just pay employees a little bit more often.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: But there's no way you're going to save money and just say it's more employee benefits.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just be honest,
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: but to come out and try to say you're going to save money is just ridiculous.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's just creating inefficiency.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe it's just that my parents taught me how to do finances,
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: and then I learned some stuff on my own.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm very in the monthly bill thing.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think based on what I'm seeing in the marketplace,
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: there are a lot of people that bring their paycheck forward
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: and they live their financial life very differently than beginning of the month,
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: sit down and pay all your bills.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's much more flowy, I guess we'll say, and fluid.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe this every two weeks.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Works out better for those people, I don't know.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: But it'll be interesting to see.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's going to be a lot of people who are longtime state employees
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: that are going to be very grumpy about this.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Me probably being one of them.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well,
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: anybody,
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: you fall into,
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: especially being a longtime state employee,
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you've got to be the youngest tenured state employee.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to be close, right?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: I probably am.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're 18.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: I've been off and on.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: I spent some time in the,
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: we'll call it the private sector, doing campaigns mostly or working for
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: nonprofits.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: There was some time.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: But it does feel like I've been here a long time.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: When you're one of the longest serving Republican staff,
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: that's not usually a good sign when you're 31.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of...
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: When you have the most years.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: That is true.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're like second most years.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Dawson might be giving you a run for your money, but he's back now.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: He took some time off.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dawson took some time off.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: He gave me a chance to catch up.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a few others that have been here that are kind of the lifers in the capital.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: And those are all super important because you've got to have those stable forces
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: to tell you,
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: hey, you know, we've seen this before and everything's going to be okay.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: we've been at lower numbers before and
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: we'll bounce back,
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: you know, whatever it is, whatever the situation is.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Jacob's on that list.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's a few other ones on that list.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Justin Breck, he's on that list.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Bryan, what are we talking about today?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we brought the representative on to talk wildfire.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so we thought, why better to talk wildfire in a day when it's raining back in Oregon?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: So thank gosh.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: So the rain is welcome relief for wildfire season.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like you and I were texting, you know, it's been a really dry summer.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: The entire state has really been dry and the wildfires have ravaged our state.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And there was, you know, Mark Owens had an article in Willamette Week that he talked about it.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it really comes down to, you know, mitigation, right?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: What are we going to do going forward?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to spend $300 million on fighting wildfires this season when we budgeted 80.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: What did, you know, what did we do?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: $350 million?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: It might be even more than that, yeah.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: it's just ridiculous what we're doing for the dollars we're going to have to find in
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: a budget that we don't have.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it's going to be pretty hard to rectify that.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think Oregonians are ready for us to not have the fires.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Gross costs are approaching.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: We can dedicate a little on the front end.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Gross costs are approaching 315,
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: according to our latest update, 315 million from the governor's office.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're doing a weekly briefing.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, and I think the mitigation side can also generate revenue.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: On that info from the governor's briefing,
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: does it say how many fires we still have on the landscape currently in Oregon?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Currently across the state of Oregon,
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: there has been response to 1,690 fires, approximately 2.5 million acres burned.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And there's currently 12 active large fires.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And a large fire is either 100 acres in timber,
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: or if it's grass, it'd have to be 300 acres to qualify as a large fire.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: So 12 still going.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's a huge chunk of our state that's burning on top of what burned last year.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the year before, and the year before that.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: But we keep increasing the amount of acres burned each year.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: And what we really need to do is we need to figure out how to not burn them.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, between the sheer number of,
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: if we look at the domino effect of what a forest fire does,
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody's aware of the air quality today.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, it's just horrible.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's been hard for over a month, almost across the state.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Even Portland was complaining about it.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which was great because it got us a little attention in the fact that we need
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: to deal with this.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: But you start looking at the damage effect of all of that and these acres burned.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the amount of manpower to get livestock out of the hills so
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: that they don't burn like we watched last year.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: We've had a better effort on that this year.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we've lost as much livestock as we did last year in the fires.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: But the fences, the ones that actually did get rebuilt, they burned again.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: This domino effect of what we do and redo is, it's just gross.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oregon can do so much better.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we did when we had bloggers out there, we did do better.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we know how to do better.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: We know how to not burn all the acres and we need to refocus and get back to that.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I think if Oregon does that,
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: if private property owners and the state can get a unified voice and agree
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: on some some factors,
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: some mitigating factors so we don't burn as many acres,
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think we can get the attention of the federal government, too.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there are people forget.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was just going to say the federal government's trying to do that with this road,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the redoing the roadless stuff.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a step in the right direction.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: But of course,
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: that's being,
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: anything with the name Trump on it is going to be fought like tooth and nail
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: by Democrats.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm getting emails already from people like,
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: I can't believe we're, you know, allowing roads back into our forest.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: But how do we expect to fight fires without roads?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so that's one step.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I just think It can't be one thing.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just say we need to manage our forests and that solves
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: the wildfire problem because not everything happens in the forest, right?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just a multi-prong,
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: multi-faceted attack that goes from,
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: like I think Vicky said,
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: private landowners to the counties doing stuff in their managed lands to the state
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: that doesn't really have much managed lands.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what do they got, 5%?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: But they have a lot of protected lands that they cover on the private space.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we need to talk about what that means for us.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, the biggest problem is the federal lands, right?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's 50% of our state.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: So how do we force them into an engagement or get them At the table to actually want
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: to manage them.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought Owen's article was interesting because it said in there
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: that he was talking to people where there's still a thought
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: that these big mega fires are actually good for the land,
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: which I just I can't imagine that to be the case, you know.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think burning is fine because you need to burn it,
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: but it needs to be controlled because if you have super-duper intense burns,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: it's not good for the landscape and stuff.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: If you're trying to protect habitat, that's horrible for it.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Prescribed burnings and thinning burnings and things like that are great
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: because you're controlling the intensity of the burn.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know if we'll get serious about it.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll talk about that for a minute because there's a lot of people
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: that don't understand what it means for the intensity of the burn.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: When you have these megafires and they're fueled by a little bit of wind and
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: then they're in these draws and these canyons that then create Such a force,
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: it creates its own wind.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: It creates its own thunder and lightning storm, if you will.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: They're crazy.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: And the heat and the intensity for which those burn,
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Bryan, what you're talking about is it just scorches the earth.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: And when you have a scorched earth effect, you can't grow anything for a while.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: And the first things that do come back are the cheatgrass and the...
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: The weed fuels that burn fast again, they dry out quick, they burn fast.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it creates that second fire within the first four years that burns stupidly fast
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: and hot as well.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we just have this rinse and repeat cycle going on.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of managing the land using what you call the thinning or
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: the prescribed burns,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: which are Intended to help clean up the floor of the forest and not burn the trees.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I think a lot of people don't really think about
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: when we think about fire.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: But there is such a difference.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that kind of burn actually can help us manage what is happening in the forest.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Great conversation that we're going to have during ledge days.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: I've got a constituent coming in that's going to we're going to show video where one
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: of those megafires died on his property because of his efforts to manage his land.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't just it was a it was a two generational conversation.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: His dad taught him how to do it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: He continued the process.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And we had one of these big hot megafires burning,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: literally burned across the fence and died 100 yards out.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: On his property.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the thing that people need to they need to see it and understand what
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: that looks like so they can understand what this conversation really is.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because a healthy forest is actually pretty well spaced out between the trees
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: and you can have fire go through that doesn't destroy all the timber that is good
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: for the landscape.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: But we have really dense federal forests and then even some of the private
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: and state land is still on a higher density than you want to have
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: to have healthy forests.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's all anyone's talking about.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: We have much more...
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Modern and better logging practices, too,
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: that are not going to be as damaging to any of the landscape
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: as people might think it would be.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not going to create the levels of pollution that it may have in the 70s and 80s, right?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so people on,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: both sides have failed to recognize where we're at is not the same as where we were
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: during those timber wars.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that the whole state's going to burn up both the forested and unforested parts
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: without collaboration between the two sides to make it work and to recognize
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: the current state that we're in.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Just the same as where we're at with land use,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: where the pressures and the situation's not the same.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Same place where we're at with transportation,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: where we're not in the same spot that we were 30, 40 years ago.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: But those 30 or 40 or 50 year old fights are what's dictating what happens now.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that doesn't work.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the boomer hippies keep getting involved.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, that's just because they're the ones that are fighting the fight, right?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're pushing.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think there's a lot of Democrats that reached out to Vicky
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: and probably Owens and stuff,
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure, and just said, hey, you know, what do you need?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so they're in Portland,
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: and I think they want to have these conversations because they're not coming from
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: that 30, 40-year historical fight, right?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: They're actually coming at it.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: A new and improved mechanism of it's just managing.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not, if you believe in climate change, how can you be for catastrophic wildfire?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: The two cannot exist in the same conversation.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to be for managing our forest.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be for cutting juniper trees and getting rid of noxious weeds
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: and doing grazing, intense grazing in some of those noxious weeds area.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: We found like intense grazing from sheep, cattle, goats, you name it.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Will really, they'll, if forced to, animals will eat what's available to them, right?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you can do some intense grazing work to really knock down some of those areas and
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: then that's going to allow for some things.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: I even love the idea of possibly,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think Tom Norton's going to talk about,
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: maybe doing away with fences and now that the GPS system for the cattle callers.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is kind of a real thing now.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think, right.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't we have a constituent that it wasn't Tom,
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: it was another constituent,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: but they,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: they gave me their story of how they,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: they were able to, with those collars, they were able to move the cows.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Away from where the fire was burning in intensity and into areas where they,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: where there wasn't fire as they move them down the draw.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Into a space where they could and it took like four days of moving the cows around
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: to get them to save them and get them into a place where they could then get go up
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: and drive them out.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was it's a pretty incredible story.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it you know,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: when we talk about replacing those fences and then watching them burn again,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: we're spending this we're spending additional dollars to do the same thing where
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: the investment for some of these cattle collars is is, you know, a little bit.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: A little bit heavier on the front end,
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: and it sounds like a big lift,
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: but they run off a satellite,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: so they can run in these areas where we have a lack of other, quote, Wi-Fi options.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And just because we want to make sure that they work,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I will let everyone here know that I did request that Representative Owens go ahead
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: and try one out for us to see how they work.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: In the capital, we can know where he's at.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I'm sure leadership would put him on a couple of members.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like if they try to leave.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Buzz.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Where's Greg Smith?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Why is he absent?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Where's Greg Smith?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: We can do it.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Where's Owens?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Weekly little poll of who gets to color this week.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then virtual fencing.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now we don't have a corner crossing issue anymore.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Boom.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Solve that.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just fixing stuff left and right here.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fencing is super labor intensive.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's really not good for the environment, if you really look at it from that standpoint.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if you really did,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: if you did the math on a million head of cattle or whatever we got in the state
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: of Oregon,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: especially for the large ranches,
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: where you could probably break that down,
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: where you could look at that cost per mile of doing fencing versus The cost of,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: you know, giving them grants to do some of the caller stuff.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it would probably end up being cheaper at the end of the day.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, sadly, these callers, these data centers, though.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say, the reality is, is it's not a perfected system yet.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's getting better.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: And that,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: but us embracing the ability to use it and,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: and being real about the conversation of where some of our Our dollars,
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: because we get grants to replace things like fences.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if we use those grant dollars to do the colors and we can move that around,
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: then it could have a better return for us.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I will say that I don't think that the colors work like on the bulls yet.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: So we got to figure out,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: there's a few pieces in there that we still have to get kind of dialed in.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Bulls.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: 1.2 million cattle, Bryan, according to the Oregon Cattlemen Association.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's always around a million.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pretty crazy.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we'll see.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we'll see what the discussions bring.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: A wildfire just to kind of wrap this one up.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that this year you have to get after it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then we got to look at like $350 million in cost when you budgeted 80.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're looking at a gap of 270.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how much could you spend on some prevention?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, mitigation stuff that would have lasting effects to save us money.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we talk about this in health care all the time, right?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Prevention versus medication, all that sort of stuff.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is in the same vein.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: It just requires some leadership.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we have some people at the table.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know, you know, there's enough Democrats that live in Central Oregon now.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure Rep Levy and Senator Robin that have experienced some of the pain.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because before it was always just an Eastern Oregon problem, right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Or a Southern Oregon problem.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's mostly not Democrats.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: But now you have Rep. Marsh.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a few other people.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Golden's gone.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that should be helpful.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then you kind of move on.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: We should be able to move on.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, the fact that we got our smoke into Portland this year, it was,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: as much as I hate that much smoke on the landscape,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: it's helpful to get the Portland Democrats to have this conversation with us
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: as well.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that is where we're starting a conversation during lunch days in
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: the Emergency Management Committee for the House.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Reagan,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just had one last thing I wanted Vicki to weigh in on is I saw a couple
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: of articles in OPB,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: which I thought was kind of cool on your guys' farm stand bill or farm store bill.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Farm stores.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Where small towns that are quote unquote grocery deserts Now have,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know, farm stands, stores popping up.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, farm stores popping up to kind of provide,
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: produce and And other, you know, local, local food, but also easy to get to food.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they're not driving far away.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll put the link for the two articles from OPB in the show notes here.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I just thought that was kind of cool.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to give you a little shout out on that.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was kind of neat that to start seeing some of that stuff happen in practice.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's pretty, pretty cool to see where it's filling a little bit of a gap.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're not going to get everything you can't get.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that one lady said, we just need a mini Walmart in Culver.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, I don't know if we're going to get a mini Walmart.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: But they do deserve the ability to,
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: and where we have more people that are,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: especially as the housing, I mean,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: we can wrap this whole conversation around everything I work on,
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: but the housing is,
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: they can't afford to live in the more urban areas that are looking at some
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: of these smaller communities.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: And frankly,
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: the folks that I see in the Culver district They like it because
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: the Culver District has an amazing school system and there are families that want
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: to raise their kids there.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that is a rural community,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: rural lifestyle,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: but they've grown just enough that now they want to have a grocery store and
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: the Safeways of the world aren't going to move into Culver,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: but by golly,
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: think about the optimum opportunity for local producers to be able
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: to sell their product straight to the consumer and the consumer not Not having to go
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: to five farms to get all the pieces, but get it all at one spot.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then they don't have to go 15 minutes north or 25 minutes south if they're going
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: to Madras or they're going to Redmond too.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, that's,
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is even the fact that it's more convenient is a huge convenience,
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think is key for that and giving people the ability to not just have a stand on
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: the side of the road, but actually, you know, the weather isn't great 24 seven.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so allowing them to have an enclosed building and,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously some of that basic safety and everything I think is going to be huge.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hoping that – and I wasn't necessarily even thinking
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: of this particular use case when I was thinking about it because we're thinking more
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: of the agritourism and just kind of the like things that people do on the weekends
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: and vacation.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: But this is literally day in and day out value for people – And connecting them
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: to their local foods.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: So there's nothing, there's no downside, really.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why anyone would think there's a downside.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: There isn't any.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Win, win, win.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's just part of a natural ecosystem of a community.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really what you're getting at is if you can create,
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: and then hopefully things will happen, right?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like co-ops and some of that sort of stuff where You know,
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: the different farmers and ranchers doing different things within
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: a certain community.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: if they can come together creating a farm store,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: at a specific location where they're,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: you know, selling each other's goods or something.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just, that's what you want.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's,
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: if you're truly, yeah,
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: if you truly want to help people,
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: with their food and the whole farm to table thing,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is literally what this is, so.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: But we'll see.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe the gasoline stations will come with it and stuff.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll get a Buc-ee's in Culver or something.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Then we don't have to worry about it because they sell everything.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to go to Buc-ee's while we're down.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine Buc-ee's being allowed in Oregon.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred bays of fuel gas stops.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't imagine that any in our land use system is going to be like, yeah, let's allow that.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to get appealed for years.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think that they would get a chance to.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe we can fix those problems.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I love Buc-ee's.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: I wish we need Buc-ee's for sure.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: But please come to Oregon if you can.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Some of those areas on I-5 would be awesome.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Be awesome.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he said he won't go to Blue States, the CEO.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's just not worth it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not worth the headache of trying.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: They said going where we are wanted.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't feel wanted in those states.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a bummer.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll let – anything else you want to say on FarmStand?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, I appreciate the shout out.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was a great bill.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I, I again, thank my partners for helping me get it across the finish line.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Cause that was a,
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: that was a all out bipartisan,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: bicameral effort to get that, that across and, look at the good it's doing.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you guys.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sure was.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll let you go.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Great work.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or whatever else you do.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go support my website.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they talk about all that.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Just like the farmers.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, I became a realtor and my mom before me became a realtor to support the ranch.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: And now I've just got it.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: Now that besides ranching,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm now doing this legislative thing and neither of them can I live off.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: And all those, all those still support the ranch today.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because our motto is how to lose less on the old Brees Iverson Ranch.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, though,
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think that applies, Bryan,
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: and it still reminds me of a thing I read,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: and I'll see if I can find it,
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: but years ago in the New York Times when anybody remembers
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: when Stacey Abrams was still cool on the Democratic side
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: before she lost every race she ran,
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: she was the House leader in Georgia,
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: and her goal to make them more competitive at their legislature was to learn how
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: to lose better.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I may have mentioned this before,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: but that totally applies in the political sphere where after a few years of losing,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: you have to decide you want to lose better before you win.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that happens in the legislative process, too.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: You might have a bill that you debut.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't even get out of committee.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then it gets out of committee and dies in ways and means.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then it dies on the house floor and then all that stuff.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so you learn how to lose better each time you go and eventually you win.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's true.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's probably just a general life principle.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: But the only thing I know about in life is politics and policy.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's the only place I can apply it.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: On a ranch.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like you, you know, farms and ranches.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's part of the problem is.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can carry over losses in a corporation or something if you're not.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you are a corporation.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: But carrying over profits is hard too.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: So let's,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: we have to,
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: now that Vicky's gone because she probably didn't want to talk about the fun stuff.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: The Democrats like the tax dragon.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then apparently they like to leak them to reporters.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about this because I was looking at the news and I didn't see anything.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So you got to tell me about this.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Carlos wrote this for Oregon Live and it says group chat underscores divisions
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: among Oregon Democrats after activists confronted a state senator.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: So basically what happened was is,
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Solomon holds the town hall, which I'm not sure why she's holding the town hall.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: She lost, but I guess she's just a she's an activist herself.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: So she holds the town hall.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: And some crazy DSA member shows up and basically assaults her, for lack of whatever, right?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Rips her glasses off or something.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: But physically, you know, and was very, very loud and abrasive.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at a minimum, you know, lacks any sort of decorum.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and everybody, right?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Leadership, everybody comes out and just says, this is horrible.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Bowman, Jama, all of them, right?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: We all agree that that's just,
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: you should be able to hold town hall and not have to worry about people,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: you know, physically attacking you.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: People can be angry and they are angry in today's politics,
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: but the idea of doing anything is pretty nuts.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the Munoz sisters, of course, don't really prescribe to that sort of...
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thinking, I think.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: They basically were texting back and forth about stuff.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody was going to be signing on to this letter.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then pretty much,
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Rep Munoz backed out of that and said, she doesn't have enough information.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really want to do this yet.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: And was basically doing what most,
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: DSA people do is protecting criminals over And that's really kind of where it came
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: to.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then the rift of all of that,
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: which I think is pretty interesting,
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: is the rift of how that's going to play out amongst the caucus on
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: the Democrat side is going to be very entertaining and interesting,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm going to go with entertaining.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: So reading through this,
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: you have a statement that was issued and props to and I don't remember
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: if we did this back when it happened,
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: but props to Democratic leadership,
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: obviously, for condemning the political violence.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hate I hate to think that that's like a thing people need to be committed for.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: But in this day and age,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: literally, it is like we're really bad in both sides on policing our own party.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So whenever it even remotely comes close to happening, it needs to be encouraged.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Majority Leader Bowman was the first to respond
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: to FAM saying completely agree political violence is no place.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Public forums should be a place where everyone can feel, can speak and feel safe in a democracy.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Rep Leslie Munoz,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: whose sister Myrna Munoz defeated Solman,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: took a different stance saying,
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: quote, I think people should have all the facts before putting out any statements.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would not sign on to a statement about this.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, duh, she wouldn't.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was somebody who was a supporter of her sister.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, like duh.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: But like, that's not the point.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: The point isn't whether or not she should sign the statement.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: The point is whether or not political violence is wrong or it isn't.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I have...
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's always somebody that's out there saying we need to have all the facts.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is a lot of times they say that when
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: the facts are already pretty well known and they just want to delay things.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that that is – I'm not going to give her credit for saying we need
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: to have all the facts because I think it was pretty clear what the facts were
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: at this point.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And –
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Whether he pleads guilty or not,
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: you can see what happens on video,
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: you can see how people are interacting, and it's clearly not working.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's clearly not.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think at the end of the day...
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: We have to decide if we're going to be pro or anti political violence.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think pro political violence presents a lot of problems for the future
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: of our country and our communities and is really going
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: to only incentivize hanging out with people who share your ideology as the only way
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: to prevent violence.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that just can't be the case.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: We're a big state with a lot of different viewpoints,
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: even amongst the two major political parties, amongst independents.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: We have to have a culture of
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I know I'm basically an old person at this point,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: but I went to see The Brink of War,
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: that movie that came out from Angel Studios
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: where I think it's Jeff Daniels plays Ronald Reagan,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: and he's got Gorbachev there, and it's just about their summits.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was in Denmark and there might have been Sweden.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: at the end of it,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff Daniels comes on and he says,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: that one of the reasons we made this movie was to so people could figure out how
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: to disagree better.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you have a you have the USSR, you have a communist country.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't they do that,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: that AI, there was like an, they had AI like run wartime, you know, scenarios.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: And every time AI got to nuclear war, like faster than humans would.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: So because the escalation theory of war will always mean more, right?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: You just do worse and worse and worse.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the escalation theory is...
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is true.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that that's the same and political violence as well,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: because I mean,
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: because even like this whole idea,
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: like the spin with the BIPOC, they're going to spin it and then blame ICE.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, really,
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: because,
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: you know, because of ICE activity is it's an underlying context for this person.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, again, Not blaming criminals for their own actions.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're finding excuses for why they're acting a certain way.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think that that was kind of horseshit.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I did the one, and we can move on from this story, because I think you're right.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I did find it funny.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see more of the screenshot,
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: because I like that Rep Gomberg,
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: right at the bottom of the thing,
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: he goes, suspicion of second degree disorderly conduct?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: We need a stronger law.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: We can call it Janine's law.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Grab my glasses and your glasses.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Grab my glasses and we'll gel your, and I can't figure, I can't make out that last word.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like ass, but I think it's, I was like.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Way to go.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I need to, I need more.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is why I do,
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I guess that's why I brought it up because I do enjoy the juicy social context
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: of stuff.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of funny.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: You'll love to see it.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Also, Bryan,
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: while you were talking,
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: every time you bring up the boomer hippies,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it increases the percentage chance that there's going to be a bill
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: to add the boomer hippies as a protected class for hate crimes so
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: that you can't attack them anymore.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see if that happens, but...
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, the last thing,
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: and we'll let people go for Labor Day,
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: plus I got to get on another call, but I have to talk about it.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know my love of public transportation.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the mayor wants free TriMet passes for the public employees
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: while they're doing some work, right?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, five weeks of work on I-5.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, two things I love about it.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: One, if it's work on I-5, you're assuming all of your workers live in Washington.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's my one assumption, or somewhere up there, right?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, they could park and then ride a tri-med from wherever.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's funny.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, you're saying there's so much that come from I-5.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then…
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing I think it's just so hilarious about it
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: because they don't actually like the people who love public transportation,
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: they don't actually care about the writers.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about the writers.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about because writership has been, you know, going down for like 30 years.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can look at writership just like one single path and that's down.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cause part of it is people, it's just not inconvenient anymore.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the world's a kind of like, people don't go to one spot and work and then go home.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's part of it, but it's all the other things too, right?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's trash.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's homeless people, it's drugs.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's all the other things that, you know, people just don't want on there.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Plus I think maybe cars are getting a little easier to zoom around in that sort of stuff.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: But, uh,
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think their hate of cars is why I think their love of TriMed continues
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: to push them forward.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not that they love public transportation.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just don't want people in cars.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think that's what it always boils down to.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: And any chance they can to get you out of your car, they'll do it.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: They could give away free.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: They should just make TriMed free now anyways,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: because I would imagine that it probably costs them more money Or cost them a lot
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: of money to process the revenue they actually make off of fares than the reality
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: of charging people.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you just operated buses and light rail that just goes up and down
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: and you just didn't worry about any of the fares stuff,
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: you got rid of all the fares and all the people associated with fares,
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: you could probably run a more efficient system from a dollar per dollar standpoint
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: if you were to do that.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think it just doesn't make any sense.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: to do this sort of stuff,
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: free trimet passes for, I mean,
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to be,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I bet we're going to hear it soon that somebody's going to call for free trimet
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: for everybody.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it doesn't matter.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what they want.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, because people still won't write it.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: They probably have already.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's true because I think the car and I think one of the things you kind
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: of have to acknowledge that's different about America is one big country.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: We're one of the bigger countries.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so for most people, it just doesn't make sense to do transportation.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you can't just hop in a car.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: You just can't hop in a bus and get to Idaho in any reasonable amount of time.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: You can't get across the country.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can't go to other states and stuff like that.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: It just doesn't work, which I just did this weekend.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're not in control of your own destiny.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: And cars are are directly connected with America,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: not just because we're big, but because of individual freedom.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that is the thing that when liberals come in and they go,
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: but this would be more efficient and this would save its climate and this would
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: and this would.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're discounting the fact that who we are as a country and who we are as a nation,
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of our identity is actually connected to the automobile in the sense
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: of what it provides for individual freedom.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's different than a lot of these other countries who are also older
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: than we are,
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: who are also They also have much smaller roads than we do,
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: who also have all these other things, all these other factors.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not going to make up for,
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: in 20 years,
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: the infrastructure and the build-outs that these countries have had
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: for literally hundreds of years in the way that they were pre-car in the way
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: that they would commute or do whatever, right?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: And America has just been such a commute And and drive automobile focused country
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: for such a long time that you're not going to successfully change that.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I think it's actually just tied to who we are as Americans at this point.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: And until something better in transportation comes along,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: that's a new innovation like the automobile was to horses because horses were
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: the automobiles before.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: What automobiles were, right?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: You had a horse and you use the horse to get from one area to another.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: And we moved on wagon trains.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's just who we are as Americans in terms of going out into whatever
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: the world is around us and going further and going farther and going faster and all
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: of that.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so until you have something that fits that need,
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: and I think that's why Tesla has found a lot
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: of success is they are making – they're taking driving,
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: but they're making the experience more enjoyable from the sense that I don't have
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: to do an oil change.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to do this.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're trying to improve it, not kill it.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: And what the environmentalists are trying to do is kill it because
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: the environmentalists don't even like – Teslas and electric cars,
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: they think that they generate too much CO2 at other parts of the supply chain.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's not about the gas.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the mode of transportation they hate.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And go walk if you want to.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not for turning the world upside down to make walking the primary method to get to work.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because guess what?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: If I didn't have a tunnel,
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be walking between my car and this here capital in the rain.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: So not interested.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Waymo vouchers is what I say to go.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I got to go.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: I got to jump to that meeting.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: See you later, Bryan.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: You like the Waymo vouchers.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're a big fan.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Legalize Waymo, baby.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good Labor Day.