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TOT-MOM CASEY ANTHONY: “MAGGOTS & DEATH SMELL” TO NEW “MEMOIR” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Tot Mom Casey Anthony goes from maggots in her car
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  Speaker 1: and the smell of death in the trunk to writing
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  Speaker 1: a brand new memoir. I've got a pretty good idea
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  Speaker 1: of some chapter she's gonna leave out about when her
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  Speaker 1: daughter was murdered. Good evening. I mean, is he grace?
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  Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter has been rising for the last thirty one day.
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  Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony. She acted cool as a.
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  Speaker 3: Cucomer, definitely not a person who is quote missing a child.
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  Speaker 3: She acted like there was nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: A brand new memoir. What who's gonna buy Top Mom
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  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony's memoir? OJ Simpson Ted Bundy, Bill's a bub Lucifer.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know, but it's happening. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen the front cover. This week marks the death
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  Speaker 1: many years ago of two year old Kelly Anthony. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: just start with the nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my daughter finally admitted the baby. Turn say I
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  Speaker 2: need to find her. Your daughter admitted that the baby
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  Speaker 2: is where you kind of took her a month ago.
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  Speaker 2: That that my daughter's been looking for. I told you
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  Speaker 2: my daughter was listen for a month. I just found
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  Speaker 2: her today that I can't find my granddaughter. She just
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  Speaker 2: admitted to me, but she's been trying to find her herself.
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  Speaker 2: There's something wrong. I found my daughter's cart today and
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  Speaker 2: it's not like theirs been a dead battery in the car. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what is the three year old's name? Kayley c A
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  Speaker 2: Y L. E. E. Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to a very esteemed guest joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The judge that presided over the Top Mine Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: murder trial, Belvin Perry Junior, former Chief Judge, author of
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  Speaker 1: the Velvet Hammer. Nice title, judge, Judge, Please, how could
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  Speaker 1: you sit on the bench and keep a straight face?
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  Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony? For thirty days searches for Kelly?
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  Speaker 1: Can we see where she was conducting the search? Please?
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  Speaker 1: Control room? There you go, honest tripper pole dancing throughout
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  Speaker 1: the thirty one days she quote search there you go?
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah. I think she was looking up that
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  Speaker 1: girl's hotpants for Kelly. I don't know how you kept
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  Speaker 1: a straight face. I watched the trial, Judge. I looked
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  Speaker 1: at you over and over, and I could swear yep,
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  Speaker 1: there's a ventage shop. I could swear you looked at
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  Speaker 1: me in the eyes. Several times. I moved all over
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom trying to get you to look at me
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  Speaker 1: to see if you would crack a smile anything. You didn't.
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  Speaker 1: You were stowing, So you listen. Thirty plus days, she
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  Speaker 1: looked for Kelly up that girl's hotpants in every bar
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  Speaker 1: in town. That was the hot body contest. Staying over
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  Speaker 1: with her boyfriend what was his name, Tony Lazarro and
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  Speaker 1: all of his roommates. That's romantic. She wasn't with her
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  Speaker 1: Grandma Cindy or Grandpa George. So where was she? The
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  Speaker 1: car had maggots in the trunk. Multiple people said it
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  Speaker 1: smell like a dead body. And she made up a
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  Speaker 1: babysitter and said the babysitter, Zenaida Gozalez, made it all up,
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  Speaker 1: stole Kelly. I don't know what the jury was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: How did you keep a straight face?
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  Speaker 4: One of my colleagues years ago made the phrase when
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  Speaker 4: witnesses were sworn in, let the lion begin, And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: in a number of our courtrooms that happens. And you
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  Speaker 4: have to appear to be neutral and impartial, and you
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  Speaker 4: don't want jurors to read anything off of your facial expressions.
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  Speaker 4: Thus the stoic look, the stone face look. But inside
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  Speaker 4: you're wondering what in the world is going on? This
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  Speaker 4: is a bunch of croc.
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  Speaker 1: Judge, you have tried, you presided over enough murder cases
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  Speaker 1: to know exactly what was going on. My question to you,
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  Speaker 1: were you surprised Todd mom Casey Anthony did not take
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  Speaker 1: the stand in her own defense.
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  Speaker 4: No, I wasn't so prize. The prosecution would have had
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  Speaker 4: a field day with her with the various stories. The
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  Speaker 4: imagine as you are flipping through these pages. Now they
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  Speaker 4: could go through each page and say, did you find her?
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  Speaker 5: There?
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  Speaker 4: Were you looking for there? She would have been totally
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  Speaker 4: destroyed on cross examination. That's right, you take the stand.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Judge, here's a little trick how you used
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  Speaker 1: when I was prosecuting, and I've lost track. Seriously at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning my first case, tell any shoplifting. I got
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  Speaker 1: a conviction on attempted shoplifting. I used to keep a record, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I tried this case on this day. This was a
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  Speaker 1: defendants name, This is the indictment number, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the verdict. After I got to around one hundred, I
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  Speaker 1: was so slammed. I couldn't barely keep up with all
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  Speaker 1: the cases. To be trick, you know, Inner City Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I lost track. And this is something
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  Speaker 1: I would do when I would first start the case.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever I would have something, oh, that's for closing argument,
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  Speaker 1: I'd make a note. I had a completely separate notepad
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  Speaker 1: for closing argument and a completely separate notepad for cross examination.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'll get all those together, all those notes, and
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  Speaker 1: have a big file on top of my desk, on
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  Speaker 1: top of the table, council table, and I put it
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  Speaker 1: over so the defendant could see it, and it will
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  Speaker 1: say defendants cross examination. And i'd pat it sometimes during
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  Speaker 1: the trial and look over. Very rarely did they take
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  Speaker 1: the stand because they knew what was going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: that big fat file defendants cross examination. I'm ready for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's why she didn't take the stand. But now she's
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  Speaker 1: writing a memoir, a memoir where nobody can cross examine her,
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  Speaker 1: bs Judge Nancy.
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  Speaker 4: She's trying to recast a reframe herself as a victim
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  Speaker 4: and a seeker of the truth. And nothing can be
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  Speaker 4: followed from the truth. She's not a victim in the case.
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  Speaker 1: Judge, we are not in your courtroom. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: a bail off to protect you tonight. Did you just
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  Speaker 1: say Casey Anthony is positioning herself to be the seeker
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  Speaker 1: of the truth. Did you say that? I want to
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  Speaker 1: show your face when you say that.
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  Speaker 4: She that's what she's trying to do. But it's not
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  Speaker 4: gonna work. She's gonna retell that story. You look at
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  Speaker 4: what she said in her introduction to her book. She
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  Speaker 4: wants to find the answers about what happened to her
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  Speaker 4: child that was taken away from her. Well, guess what
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  Speaker 4: she knows the answers. That's why I said she's trying
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  Speaker 4: to cast herself as a seeker of the truth, when
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  Speaker 4: in fact, the truth in her are strangers, the ships
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  Speaker 4: passing in the night jide.
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  Speaker 1: The title of the book is who is she really?
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  Speaker 1: She broke her family apart, destroyed her and I got
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  Speaker 1: a list right here of all the men she's been through.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a felony. I'd be mad if you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: But everyone results in a broken marriage, a broken relationship,
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  Speaker 1: of broken something. I just can't believe she's got ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand people reading or substack. You know they must be ghules.
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  Speaker 4: Nat'sa as Pt. Bonham once said, there's a sucker born
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  Speaker 4: every minute, and that's what she has. A lot of suckers,
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  Speaker 4: people who are following their instincts for curiosity, wanting to
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  Speaker 4: know what the next story is, what the next lie is.
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  Speaker 4: They're fascinated by that.
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  Speaker 1: George, were you surprised when the NNG came down?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you always know there's a possibility, but
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  Speaker 4: the state had a pretty powerful case, and you can
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  Speaker 4: always go back and look at something they could have
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  Speaker 4: done differently. But yes, I was surprised. I read it twice.
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  Speaker 1: You read it twice.
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  Speaker 4: I had to read it twice to make sure my
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  Speaker 4: eyes were not paying tricks of me.
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  Speaker 1: In my jurisdiction where I tried cases, the prosecutor would
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  Speaker 1: read the verdict. I think probably by that time the
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  Speaker 1: judges were so tired they went, yeah, you read it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I always looked at it two or three
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  Speaker 1: times to make sure that it was a guilty verdict,
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  Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be, you know, surprised if I misread it.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to read it twice and make sure
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  Speaker 1: it said not guilty. Yeah, I remember the look on
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  Speaker 1: top Mane Casey Anthony's face and that not guilty came down.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, what it worked? Advice for top Mond Casey Anthony, Tonight, judge.
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  Speaker 4: Tell the truth. But she'd never do it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the world wants to know what happened. We know the babysitter.
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  Speaker 1: You know what happened.
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  Speaker 4: We know that the babysitter was Xanax, Zanni and Nanny.
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  Speaker 4: And when the xanax stopped working, then you had the chloroform.
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  Speaker 4: The child just didn't jump in the trump by herself.
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  Speaker 4: You can't have you look at the various things she
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  Speaker 4: has said, the baby was last seen alive, that with
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  Speaker 4: Zanny and Nanny. She doesn't know what happened. Did all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden the child drown Did all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden George, who loved that child immensely took her and
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  Speaker 4: dumped her like a piece of trash. And the swamp
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  Speaker 4: near their home. All of that is just totally incredible,
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  Speaker 4: But it's consistent with her personality. She wants to be
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  Speaker 4: the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.
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  Speaker 4: She wants to be the center of attention, full stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally stealing that She wants to be the bride
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  Speaker 1: at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. I'm
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  Speaker 1: totally taking that. In fact, according to me, you stole
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  Speaker 1: that from me. You're so right, you are so right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she could stand that Kelly was the star.
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  Speaker 1: I accept my children, John, David and Lucy. They're the stars.
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  Speaker 1: They are the stars and I love watching them. I
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  Speaker 1: think you just hit the nail on the head. When
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  Speaker 1: you get tired of being a judge emeritus and a
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  Speaker 1: distinguished lawyer, maybe you should be a psychologist or a therapist,
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  Speaker 1: because you just hit the nail on the head. She
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be the bride at every wedding. Okay, Judge,
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  Speaker 1: this year for Christmas, I'm going to give you who
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  Speaker 1: is she really? For Christmas. I hope you enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Judge, Thank you Mansy toime mom. Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: goes from maggots in her car trunk and the smell
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  Speaker 1: of death to writing a memoir straight out to special
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  Speaker 1: Guests joining us. Randy Kessler vetermin trial lawyer who covered
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  Speaker 1: the case with me when it happened. He is an
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  Speaker 1: Emory Law School professor, former chair of the ab A
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  Speaker 1: American Bar Association Family Law Section author of divorce, protect yourself,
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  Speaker 1: your kids in your future, Castler, what I don't understand it?
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  Speaker 1: She's writing him in more that says who is she really? Now?
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  Speaker 1: It says over five thousand subscribers. Correction, she's got sixty
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  Speaker 1: one thousand followers on TikTok and thirty five thousand on
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  Speaker 1: her substack. Ouch, who are they?
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  Speaker 6: You know what's surprising to me, Nancy, is that you're
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  Speaker 6: surprised by this. You know, you and I went. I
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  Speaker 6: had it a bunch of times about how she was
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  Speaker 6: going to have some supporters and maybe somebody on the
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  Speaker 6: jury would have some sympathy. And it turns out, in hindsight,
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  Speaker 6: somebody on the jury did have some sympathy, and that's
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  Speaker 6: the person times ten times one thousand that's out there
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  Speaker 6: buying her book. She recognized that despite all this horrible
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  Speaker 6: evidence against her, this persuasive evidence, this beyond a reasonable
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  Speaker 6: doubt evidence, in our opinion, and she still was acquitted.
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  Speaker 6: That means that somebody felt for her, somebody bonded with
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  Speaker 6: or somebody understood her, or somebody wanted to believe her.
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  Speaker 6: She's capitalizing on that and the fact that we or you,
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  Speaker 6: or any of us are surprised that she hasn't changed,
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  Speaker 6: that she's still playing on or praying on those people
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  Speaker 6: who might find sympathy or might understand her, or might
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  Speaker 6: buy her story. It's not surprising to me. What else
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  Speaker 6: is she to do to say, oh, I wasn't convicted,
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't put to jail, but now I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 7: I did it.
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  Speaker 6: No way in a million years is that going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: This is the natural consequence and the natural, you know,
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  Speaker 6: progression of her life. And I think any of us
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  Speaker 6: could have predicted it if we just thought about who
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  Speaker 6: she was and what she gonna do next. She's going
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  Speaker 6: to wait for the dust to settle. She's going to
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  Speaker 6: persist in the I didn't do it, poor me, turn
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  Speaker 6: the focus on me in love with the judges, you know,
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  Speaker 6: talking about that. You know, she supposed to be the
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  Speaker 6: center of everything. And guess what it's profitable for her.
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  Speaker 6: Not sure what else she would do to make money.
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  Speaker 8: I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for
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  Speaker 8: my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Then reopen the case.
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  Speaker 9: Reopen it, casey, Anthony, Let's find out the truth. Who
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  Speaker 9: really caused this incident of your child. You think you
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  Speaker 9: forgot who you are after twenty years. Your daughters should
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  Speaker 9: have been twenty years old, but instead, guess what you do?
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  Speaker 9: You come on TikTok, we're lying through your teeth when
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  Speaker 9: you say that you have Oh, I've been in the
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  Speaker 9: legal field since twenty eleven. You mean when you were
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  Speaker 9: on trial, get off of social media. You were dangerous
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  Speaker 9: to the public. And you're a psychopath, liar, and I
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  Speaker 9: hope you rot in hell. There's a special place for you.
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  Speaker 1: That is Selena Vantez on TikTok. And boy, she's telling
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  Speaker 1: it like it is. Okay, here's my question to Rob Dick. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in case you don't know who Rob Dick is. He's
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  Speaker 1: a private investigator. He's a former bounty hunter. He observed
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  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony behind bars and he was her bodyguard immediately
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  Speaker 1: following her release on bail. Remember, Rob, she was first
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  Speaker 1: charged with some minor offense and let us on bail.
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  Speaker 1: That was before the murder charge. You were with her too,
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  Speaker 1: I think ensure that she came back to court when
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  Speaker 1: she called a murder charge. You saw her throughout. Can
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  Speaker 1: you believe she is writing a mem noir called who
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  Speaker 1: is she really how did we get here? I think
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  Speaker 1: we all know the answer to that. But are you surprised?
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  Speaker 5: Not?
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  Speaker 10: Really.
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  Speaker 3: She always has to play the victim. She always has
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  Speaker 3: to be the center of attention. You know, we all
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  Speaker 3: see it. You know that's exactly the way she was
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  Speaker 3: in the beginning, I mean the very beginning, when her
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  Speaker 3: child is supposedly missing, all she cared about is how
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  Speaker 3: many cameras were out. There was the focus on her,
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  Speaker 3: Poor me, poor me, even all the way back before
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  Speaker 3: we got her out in the jail. You know her
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  Speaker 3: videos that showed from the jail visits where she's just saying,
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  Speaker 3: but what about me? I'm in here?
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  Speaker 2: What about me?
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  Speaker 3: It's always what about her? So she's just going to
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  Speaker 3: spend and this would be probably her sixth version of
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  Speaker 3: what supposedly happened.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Dick, you have a very unique view. Oh there
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  Speaker 1: she goes. I'm going to play that for you just
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  Speaker 1: a moment so you can hear it, Rob Dick. But
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  Speaker 1: you have a very unique perspective because you were with
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  Speaker 1: her when she got out on that minor charge and
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  Speaker 1: was waiting for the murder charge to drop, and you
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  Speaker 1: observed her behavior. What if anything, did you observe.
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  Speaker 3: That again, it's just always got to be about her.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when Cindy showed baby pictures of
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  Speaker 3: Kayley of you know, this is my granddaughter that the
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  Speaker 3: world is looking for. Casey had to come over and
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  Speaker 3: put her baby pictures on top. But look at me,
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  Speaker 3: look at it. Wasn't I aq baby? It's always about her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you've never told me that story. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: that story.
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  Speaker 3: Cindy was showing us pictures of Kaylee as a baby,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, this is my wonderful granddaughter that again
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  Speaker 3: we're all thinking, is missing. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: Casey goes and gets her baby pictures and puts them
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  Speaker 3: on top of Kelly's. But look at me, wasn't I
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  Speaker 3: acute baby? It's always about her.
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  Speaker 1: I have never heard that story. I would never dream
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  Speaker 1: of putting my childhood pictures what there are of them,
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  Speaker 1: on top of the twins pictures. Rob, you have to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story about what she said. She gets out
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  Speaker 1: of jail, she comes home, walks in the house, and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't say, what have you done to find Kelly?
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  Speaker 1: Where is she? What do you know? Help me? Let's go,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. That's not the first thing she
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  Speaker 1: said when she walked in.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's a very emotional moment. Sydney's crying, George's rushing
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  Speaker 3: over there, grabbing her, hugging her, and all she could
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  Speaker 3: care about was what's for dinner?
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  Speaker 1: That is what she said, Okay, I need a shrink.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz is joining US forensic psychologists specializing in
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  Speaker 1: capital mitigation in cases just like this. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: Rob Dick, is that the human Hunters dot com. The
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  Speaker 1: human Hunters dot com Doctor Sherry Schwartz is a panthermitigation
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz. I've never heard of a
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  Speaker 1: mom inserting her own baby pictures on top of the
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  Speaker 1: baby pictures of her child. That's the first I've heard
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  Speaker 1: that story. Aren't iqebaby too? Everybody? Look at me? What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? Nancy?
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  Speaker 11: That is something that really signals what one of the
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  Speaker 11: guests previously said about narcissism. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 11: a narcissist's entire existence is about them. Look at me,
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  Speaker 11: Aren't I the best? You should pay attention to me?
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  Speaker 11: And that is just one of the most disturbing things
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  Speaker 11: that I've heard in this whole case, and there's so
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  Speaker 11: many disturbing things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, unlike the jury in the top one Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: murder trial. Many people are not fooled by her latest
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  Speaker 1: attempt at grabbing attention.
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  Speaker 12: We're swet to Okay, okay, I'm sweating, yeah girl, you
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  Speaker 12: should be sweating like a in church.
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  Speaker 13: Freaking Casey Anthony is trying to peddle her memoir. She
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  Speaker 13: posted a preview of it on substack on me first,
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  Speaker 13: No one wants to buy your memoir. Nobody cares about
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  Speaker 13: what you have to say.
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  Speaker 1: Go away.
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  Speaker 13: Stop trying to make Casey Anthony. Stop trying to make
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  Speaker 13: yourself happen. You're not gonna happen.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: The first person was Caitlin Desmond on TikTok and I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: gonna have to play that again. The second moment is
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: balin VVN DHP. You know what, let's hear those two again.
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: Okay, okay, I'm sweating, yeah girl, you should be sweating
• 20:07
  Speaker 12: like a in church.
• 20:09
  Speaker 13: Freaking Casey Anthony is trying to peddle her memoir. She
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: posted a preview of it on substack on me first,
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: No one wants to buy your memoir. Nobody cares about
• 20:22
  Speaker 13: what you have to say go away. Stop trying to
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: make Casey Anthony, stop trying to make yourself happen. You're
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: not gonna happen again.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: That's Caitlin Desmond on TikTok. That was the first woman
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that was fanning herself like Tom Mom, Casey Anthony was.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And the second woman who's saying please go away and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: she goes by Bilyn vvn DHP There at TikTok, Doctor
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns is joining me. Doctor Crowns is the chief
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: medical Examiner out of Terran County, that's Fort Worth, Texas.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Never a lack of business there in the Morgue. He
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: at TCU, and he is the star of a hit podcast,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Mayhem and the Morgue. You know what I like about
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Mayhem and the More, Doctor Kendall Crowns, You weave in
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: an actual story about a case that you investigated, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: you conducted the autopsy with your dry wit. It's awesome. So,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns, your podcast made him in the mor aside.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Can we have a little reality check about how this
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: child two years old? You've got children two years old
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: look at her. By the time her remains were found,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: her two hundred and fifty plus bones were scattered all
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: across swampy area, which when I saw it was covered
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in trash, old tires, beer bottles, liquor bottles, trash. That's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: where Kelly's remains were found. Okay, what happened to Kiyai?
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: What happened to Kaylee is after she was more likely
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: than not killed because she has duct tape wrapped around
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: her head. She was placed in the back of a
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: trunk where her body was decomposing. After a few days,
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: it probably started smelling, which there is someone saying that
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: they smell death in her car. Also, they found maggots,
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: so flies laid eggs. She's decomposing. Four days she starts
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: turning green and bloating. They then probably dumped her body
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: because they didn't want to have the smell. Continued on
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: in the hopes to get rid of it, dumping her
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: body where she was found in the swampy area where
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: her body continued to decompose, was being eaten by maggots
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: and flies, and then scavengers start coming like raccoons, possums, coyotes,
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: anything in the area. Mice still start coming too, as
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: well as other insects, ants and beetles, and they'll consume
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: the body and after several days, all that's left is
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: kind of a husk of a body, no no internal organs,
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: and then that gets completely skeletonized over times, and it
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: just depends on the scavengers and the timeframe that skeletonization
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: can take days to weeks to months. It's all dependent
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: on scavengers how hot it is outside.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And they never even found all of her bombs scattered
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: from one end of that dump side to the next.
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: That's usually what happens is the smaller bones get consumed
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: by animals and they're just taken away, so that's why
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: you don't see all of them. Interesting thing about her
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: is the fact that she still had duct tape stuck
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: to her that was wrapped three loops wrapped around her face,
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: covering her nose and mouth. So that to me means
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: you know, she was suffocated because you can't breathe through
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: the duct tape, So depending on how tight that duct
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: tape was, that could have easily killed her. And if
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: you're saying that they use chloroform or diphenhydromene or benadryl.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: They could have knocked her into a state of semi consciousness,
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: loop dufft tape around her and threw her in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: trunk until and then found her dead later. That's pretty
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: much how suffocations go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Or Doctor Kendall Crowns, an interesting note, you accurately described
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the duct tape wrapped around her head, across the mouth,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: all around and on the mouth, Doctor Kendall Crowns, was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a heart sticker right there. Now, what unrelated cold blooded
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: stranger killer would have thought to put a heart sticker
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on her face on top of the duct tape, wrap
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: her in her favorite blanket out of her nursery at
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: her grandparents' home, and put her in a trash bag
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: from the Anthony home.
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the bizarre part. They do some odd things.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: They take things from the scene, They put stickers on them,
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: the that the child used to play with. It's that
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: is something to ask as psychiatrists. I've never understood why
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: they basically are marking them with things that link them
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: back to the scene, especially like using their blanket too.
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: It's like they're almost feeling like they the child is
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: needs their blanket because they might get cold.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: If you are considering buying top one Casey Anthony's new memoir.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Who is She Really? It's going to be a pat
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of lies, because when you don't know a horse, look
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: at her track record.
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: Everything you've told me so far has been a lie.
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: I can tell you with a certainty. And let me
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: explain why. Since I left you this morning, I've gone
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: to every address that you've told me. I thought of
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: every name. I thought to every person that you want
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: me to talk to or try to. I've reached out.
• 25:50
  Speaker 14: I talked to your exployer friend. I thought to Amy,
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: I talked to Tony.
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: I came over here.
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: I've already talked to all the employees. I found out
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: all these names that you're giving me, or people that
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: you that never worked here or been tired here for a.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Long time ago.
• 26:02
  Speaker 14: Okay, So where we are right now is in a
• 26:05
  Speaker 14: position that doesn't look very good for you.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: This is the honesty us truth of everything that I've said.
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: I do not know where she is. The last person
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: that I saw her with is Denia. She's the last
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: person that I've seen my daughter with.
• 26:18
  Speaker 14: See here here's the problem.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I think Argian started off.
• 26:21
  Speaker 14: Trying to get to this is that we know that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: not the truth.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: We know that that's not true.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: That can't be the truth, because.
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: If that were the truth, everything you would have told
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: us would have been on the money.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: It absolutely is the truth, Okay, Rob Dick. You hear
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: her lying. You hear her lying, because there was no
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: DENI that that was proven at trial she finally admitted
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: there is no such thing, no such person as is
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: not a Gonzalez the babysitter. She is saying that is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the absolute truth. What do you observe of her demeanor,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Rob Dick? Did her parents really believe it or do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: they just want to believe it?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the problem with her is I think you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: George and Cindy raised her. She's been that way most
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of her life. And what I think is interesting is
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: she always throws in just a teeny bit of truth
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: to anchor her lies. And you can see it in
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: every one of them.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: They don't want to go.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Can someone let me come on, Casey, I don't know
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: what's going on. My entire life has been taken from me.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Everything has been taken from me. You don't You guys
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: are not understanding my side on this, And I'm sorry,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: do you understand how I feel. I mean, do you
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: really understand how I feel?
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: In this?
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I literally have nothing right now?
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: Wow?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Nothing I me, I me, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, I, of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: course am not a shrink. I'm a child lawyer. But
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: isn't that a narcissistic personality? By her story, Kelly is missing,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: someone has kidnapped her. She doesn't know whether Kelly is
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: dead or alive. Then we find out she knew all along.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: There was no babysitter, Kelly missing, Kelly dead, and all
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: she talks about is me, And I explain.
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: That's absolutely a prominent feature of narcissism.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Me me, me, I, I I poor me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: It's so bad for me. And not once in that
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: clip and many others over the years, especially when you
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: were covering this. I watched it every single night, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: never once does she say where is my daughter? Don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: come and visit me, go out there and look for
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: my daughter. We have to find my daughter. People need
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: to remember that she did not call nine one one.
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: It was her mother, and she took that baby from
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: her mother there after an argument she had with her mother.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: So this is.
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: Somebody who engages in chaos and destruction and has no
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: care or concern for anybody but herself.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So if you're getting all set and you got your
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: credit card hot in your hand to buy who is
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: she really? Well, I'm going to show you who she is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And if you want to pay for a pack of lies,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that's on you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 14: You remember the.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Phone call you were telling us about, Is that true?
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: Did you actually talk? What day was it you talked
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: to her yesterday?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: You worked on today around nude?
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: It was from a private number. And would she tell you?
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: What would your daughter say to you?
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: Hi?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Mommy?
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: That's it? And she started to telling me a story,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: talking to me about her shoes.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And look, if I wanted to really just get.
• 29:44
  Speaker 15: Rid of her, I would have left.
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: Her with my parents and I would have left.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I would have moved out.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: I would have given my mom custody.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: I would not have let anything happened to.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: My daughter, except I made the mistake of trusting another
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: person with her.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 14: No, No, no, you've known shot.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You made shot.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: You've made a lot more mistakes for that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: Because everything that you've told us, every single thing from
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: the point that you opened your mouth to the police
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: officer this morning to right now, everything has been a lot,
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: she's with.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Someone that I absolutely do not trust.
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: And then I'm absolutely scared that you don't trust yet?
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: Was baby sitting in your daughter for you?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't trust her now because of what happened?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: What point did you stop trusting her?
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: The moment that her phone was cut off and I
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: couldn't get.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: In contact with my daughter?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So you thought then then something right?
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: Things wrong?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And when you started thinking.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: That something was wrong, I wanted which police states did
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you call first?
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: Outs for the city police, or who did you call first?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Who did you go for help first and.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Helped try to find her?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: No?
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: One?
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: No?
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: Okay, all right, okay, Well I'm glad we got that
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: straightened out.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Her mother, Sandy Anthony right or Wrong, was prepared to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: go to jail on perjury charges to save her daughter
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: regarding damning computer searches about how to make homemade chloroform,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: searching on computer for self defense household weapons, and the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: mom Sandy Anthony Kelly's grandmother is ready to fall on
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: her sword.
• 31:25
  Speaker 16: Were you home on March seventeenth between one forty three
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: and one fifty five pm?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: If those computer entries were made, then I made.
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: Them, So it's your testimony today that it's possible that
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: you were home on that day, even though your work
• 31:42
  Speaker 16: records reflect something differently. It's possible were you or weren't you?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Randy Kessler your specialty, Well, you have so many specialties that,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: by the way, is from ABC is family law. That's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: certainly euphemistic for devorce, bitter custody, battles, domestic violence. Do
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: these names mean anything to you, Jesse Grund, Tony lazarro,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Ricardo Morales, Tyson Rhodes, or Ben Bauschemon those names ring
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: any bell to you at all.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just a web of deception, right everybody she
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: misled lie to heat it on, you know, didn't tell
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: you know him that he was not the father. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: mean it's just lies. I mean the whole case was
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: built on her lies.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And so you do recognize them, yes, Jesse Grund, this
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is a string of broken families and broken relationships. Jesse
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Grund was Top Moam's ex fiancee. They were engaged, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Top Mom led him to believe for a long time
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: he was Keeley's bio dad until a DNA test proved otherwise.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Tony Lazzarro was her primary boyfriend and It's certainly not
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a felony to be dating many men at once. Her
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: primary boyfriend at the time of her daughter's disappearance. She
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: lived with him and his roommates thirty one days when
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Kelly was missing, going to nightclubs, cooking dinner, just hanging
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: out with the bros. Never mentioned that her daughter was missing. Okay.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Ricardo Morales, they dated a few months before Kelly went missing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: He testified in court that Top Mom and Kelly often
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: stated his apartment. Ricardo Morales testifies just one day before
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Top Mom is arrested, she showed no signs of distress
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: or grief about Kelly missing. Then there's Tyson Rhodes. He
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: was married with two children, an aerospace engineer. Top Mom
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: began dating him, broke up his marriage. That ended pretty quickly. Man,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he drank the kool aid and an aerospace engineer. Now
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: there's Ben b Shemen. He owns a business Wicked Weaponry.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: He immediately had friction with his family when photos of
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: him Bo Shemon and Top Mom leaked. He disabled his
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Facebook account and cut off communications with his relatives. She
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: is certainly a charmer. How does that work? Randy Kessler?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: How do all these men fall for top mom Casey Anthony.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Oh what a wicked web we weave. You don't know
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: how many repeat customers. We have people that get divorced
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: and then everyone knows their history and there's still somebody
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: that's attracted to them. You know, they're just the universe
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: is incredible to me. The stories we hear as divorce laws,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: as family lawyers that people come in And I asked myself,
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: I scratched myself my head, and think about the you
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: know the judge, you know who handles case, who you
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: know is on the show today, you know what he
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: was thinking. I look at this same way. I'm not
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: shocked anymore. After thirty or forty years of seeing family
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: disputes and people doing the craziest things, and every day
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I think, well I've seen it all, and then something
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: new walks in the door. Just unbelievable.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt She may haven a tangled web, but she's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: making a whole bunch of money, is she not?
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: She is Nancy She Casey Anthony has been able to
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: reinvent herself since all of this, since the acquittal. You know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: there were a couple of years in there where she
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: was working for her attorney. That's how she claims to
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: be a legal expert. But now she is promoting herself,
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: her thoughts, her life using TikTok and sub stack. Those
• 35:52
  Speaker 15: are the two basic platforms that she is using, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 15: that is where she's promoting this upcoming memoir of who
• 36:01
  Speaker 15: is She Really? Thousands Nancy, thousands of people are logging
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: on to read and listen to what she has to say.
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: It goes beyond anything you could ever imagine when you
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: start looking at eleven thousand people who are actually wanting
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: to hear what she has to allow. But that's what
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: she's doing right now, using social media to promote herself
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: as a personality, positioning herself as a legal advocate and researcher.
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: And I don't know what else at this point. Chief liar.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Joining us now p R Guru out of New York,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. He is host of n A but Nice podcast,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but he is also author of a brand new book
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that is climbing the charts on Amazon. It started with
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a whisper, there you go, Shooter. I know you're very
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: busy writing your next book, but can I ask you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a very simple p R question? How do you go
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: from their words? Not mine, maggots and the smell of death,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: maggots in her car trunk, the smell of death. You
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just heard the nine one one call where her mother,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony, who was prepared and did commit perjury to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: save top mom's skin. That the cars smell like a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: dead body. There were maggots in her trunk. It smell
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: like a dead body. And Killy's hair from her head
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was in the car trunk. How do you make a comeback?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Who is going to buy her memoir?
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: Good question answer, It's going to be really, really difficult.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: So a lot of people in the public eye try
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: to reinvent themselves. Most of them fail. I hope that
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: Casey Anthony fails here. However, I should warn everybody, portion
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: everybody that there have been instances where people were celebrities,
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: where famous folks have made a comeback. So she was
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: acquitted by the legal system. However, the court of public
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: opinion never did acquit her, and that's what she's going
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: to have to try and overcome. It's going to be
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: a real challenge. I am doubtful. I am hopeful that
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: she doesn't do it, but she might pull this off.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: When you say other people have sunk low and made
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a comeback like who don't just pull without any support?
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Who give you examples? Give you examples. O. J. Simpson,
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: he found a fan base after he was found not
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: guilty did He is in jail right now, and he's
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: somebody too that has a fan base waiting for him.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: Roman Polanski, the director who was charged with child rape,
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: is still making movies. And so there are examples, Nancy
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: big examples. OHJ is probably the best where you don't
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: need millions of people to support you. You just need
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: a few who are willing to buy your products, buy
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: your books, buy your substacks, and you can make a
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: living out of it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Oh are you talking about OJ Simpson's book If I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Did It? Okay to you? Rob Shooter? He wrote a book,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: people actually bought it. I don't get it. Who's buying
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: these books?
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  Speaker 7: There's a really ghoulish fascination with crime in America. Are
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: really around the world. There are people that are writing
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: love letters to convicted criminals in jail right now. It
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: is a sociological aspect that I'm not qualified to talk about,
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: but I know that this exists, and I also know too,
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: and I am qualified to talk about this celebrity changes stuff.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: There are awful, awful celebrities out there who still manage
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: to keep a fan base. They very rarely get totally celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: She's writing a barstool at every bar she drives by
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and buy out TJ Max. Okay, are you okay? Thank
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you for that vintage shot? That what celebrity is that?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I would call that Anthony.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: It is Nancy, But the rules the game has changed
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: so much with reality TV, with different stars out there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: Now gone are the days when it's just Julia Roberts
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: and the big stars who are celebrities. We are intrigued
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: by influencers, by people on TikTok, by people on substack.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: The whole world is celebrity has changed Nancy, and she's
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: going to capitalize on that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to todd Mom Casey Anthony, who
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: is set to come out with her new memoir. Listen.
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  Speaker 8: My goal is to continue to help give a voice
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: to people, to give people tools and resources that they
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: can utilize so they actually know where they can turn to.
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: There are people close to me who have been targeted
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: and attacked recently. They're also people close to me who
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: have had some recent things occur, and one necessary people
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: needed to step up myself included.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: How can she get that out of her mouth, Rob Shooter,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: people that need a voice. What about her daughter? You know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: her daughter's bones were found about ten houses down from
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the Anthony home, and she didn't take the stand at trial,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: But then she went on to do a softball mockumentary
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: where she blames her father. Blames her father. Listen, I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: remember the first time he put his hands someway.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: A few times.
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  Speaker 9: I do remember trying to fight back.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I was never able to push him off of me.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Pillow goes over my face. He smothered me several times.
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: Smothered you so you would pass out several times.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: That's a tiny snippet from Peacock. She said that when
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: she couldn't be cross examined, throwing her father under the bus.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: If that were true, Rob Shooter, don't you believe she
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: would never have trusted her father, George Anthony with her
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: daughter with a childhoodster.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: No way, no way, no way, Nancy, we're totally agreeing
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: on this. That and this is what's going to be
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: her problem, hopefully, is that every post, every video, every
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: interview she does is going to be filtered through the
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: same question, which is what happened to Kaylee. Let's remember
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Kaylee here. So the question isn't whether or not Casey
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: Anthony can get followers. She can, she can get attention,
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: she can get people talking about it. The question is
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: are people ready to forgive her? Are they ready to
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: give her a second chance? Here I heard that answers. No.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: She wants to be an activist now, but America is
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: going to always know her as Casey Anthony. This is
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: going to be an uphill battle, rightfully, So.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Speaking of being an activist, listen to this.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: As a proponent for the LGBTQ community, for legal community,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: women's rates, I feel that it's important that I use
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: this platform that was thrust upon me and now look
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: at as a blessing as opposed to the curse that
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: it has been since two thousand and eight.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the LGBTQ community is what would be the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: right word stun the time, I'm Casey Anthony is going
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to be their spokesperson. Thought we don't want to.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: So what she's trying to do here is she's trying
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: to move beyond this base, but the public hopefully she's.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Trying to glom onto you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: She is a.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: She's hooked into one man after the next to live off.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like a tick, like a parasite. Now she's glooming
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: onto the LGBTQ community and women's rights. Women's rights objection,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: my rear end. Okay, that never actually worked in court.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But women do not need an accuse child killer as
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: their advocate, right, How can you shake her off?
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: You can't, You can't. Well, one you can do is
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: stop giving her the attention, the oxygen that she desperately craves.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Not only potentially has done horrific things, but also to
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: a complete narcissist who wants us to be talking about
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: her constantly. She's trying to move beyond this case. She's
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: trying now to find a new identity for herself, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: if she has to use the gay community women's rights
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: to do that, she's shameless. She will do that. But
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: I hope the public refuses to move beyond Piley what
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: happened to her. No matter how polished she's trying to
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: be Nancy, people still see that headline, people still remember,
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: and so this is going to be very challenging.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a headline sheeter it's not just a story.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It happened a two year old little girl and she
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: was wrapped in her favorite blanket and thrown into a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: swappy trash area down from the home. That's what happened
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to Kelly. So not just a headline, it's not just
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a story. Let me ask you something. You've You've got
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a substack and it's doing really well.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: She has somehow amassed at least ten thousand subscribers to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: her substack. According to report, she's raking in one hundred
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: grand a year. How how is this happening?
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let me explain it. So with on substack, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: have about ten thousand subscribers too. On average, you get
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: about if you have ten thousand subscribers, about one thousand
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: a pay in. They pay eight dollars a month, So
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: do the math. It's one hundred thousand dollars a year
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: that she's earning here. If people want to pay to
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: listen to what she has to say, they will, They'll
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: do so. And substack is a platform for better or
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: worse that allows people to have a voice, and I'm
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: grateful for it. I imagine she is too. But there's
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: no control over the content that you can provide on
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: this medium. You can sit down, you can write essays,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: you can write stories, and people will pay to follow you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: And that's what's happening in her case.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Well, all I know is this. She may have a substack,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: she may get one hundred thousand dollars a year, she
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: may have ten thousand idgits that are paying to read
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: her substack, and she may write a memoir. But at
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, when it's all said and done,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Rob sheeter that night she will be having supper with Satan.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: You've summed it up. At the end of the day,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: she knows what happens. I think a lot of us
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: suspect we know too. And no a man of pr
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: and no a man of substat no amount of interviews,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: no man of novels memoirs will change the truth. And
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: we have to remember that. We have to keep reminding
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: people what happened here, that this little girl has gone forever.
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: And I think that nobody is doing that better than you.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Who is she really? This is a tiny bit of
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: chapter one. Imagine waking up one morning thinking it's like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: every other and by the middle of the day life
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: changed irreparably forever. Imagine spending three years of your life
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: sequestered fighting for answers about the child that was taken
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: from you. The child was not taken from you, Todd Mom,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony, and now you're making money off her dead body.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Not my money, Killy Anthony, little girl rest in peace. Tonight.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: We remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Logan UT, Carold County
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Virginia, thirty one, shot in the line of duty,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: leaving behind his grieving wife, Caitlin, and two children, Silas
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and Bertie. American hero Deputy Sheriff Logan UT. Thank you
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to our guests, but especially to you for being with
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend.
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  Speaker 6: M m hmm.