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What Trauma Bonding Really Looks Like: Azadeh’s Story · Wake Up with Marci

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wake Up with Marcy, a deep dive into
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  Speaker 1: self discovery. I'm your host, Marcy Hopkins, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the space where we get real about life, transformation and
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  Speaker 1: finding our true selves. Welcome back to Wake Up with Marcy,
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  Speaker 1: where real conversations spark real transformation. I'm your host, Marcy Hopkins,
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  Speaker 1: and this show is a deep dive into self discovery
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  Speaker 1: because healing begins when.
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  Speaker 2: We wake up to the truth of who we really are.
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  Speaker 2: And today's episode is raw, honest, and so important. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about what happens when trauma goes unhealed, how it
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  Speaker 2: can lead to negative coping like addiction, codependency, or emotional isolation,
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  Speaker 2: and what it's like to lose yourself in a narcissistic relationship.
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  Speaker 2: If you've ever felt unseen, unheard, manipulated, or like you're
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  Speaker 2: constantly walking on eggshells, this conversation is for you. My guest.
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  Speaker 2: Azeta Atsberger is a three time best selling author, trauma survivor,
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  Speaker 2: addiction recovery expert, and the creator of the Twelve Steps
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  Speaker 2: for Narcissistic Abuse Recovery. She's lived this journey and now
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  Speaker 2: helps others break free from toxic cycles and reclaim their voice.
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  Speaker 2: If you're searching for clarity, healing, or way out, then
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  Speaker 2: stay with us. It's time to dive in. Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show, Azeida.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much Marcy for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, it's amazing to have you so you have
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  Speaker 2: lived through so much and now you're giving back. But
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  Speaker 2: tell us what didn addiction look like in your life
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  Speaker 2: and what was the breaking point for you that changed everything?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Marcy.
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  Speaker 4: I I'm gonna go back to the last drink and
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  Speaker 4: drug addicted to four to five substances meth pills, alcohol,
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  Speaker 4: marijuana with a narcissistic boyfriend. It eventually hit the end
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  Speaker 4: of that discycle when he broke a beer bottle in
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  Speaker 4: my face. Oh god, and like windshield wipers wiping off
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  Speaker 4: the blood off my face. I thought, how did I
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  Speaker 4: get here on the streets, in and out of jail,
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  Speaker 4: hotel rooms with this abusive man addicted to him and
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  Speaker 4: the drugs.
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  Speaker 3: It was too much. I couldn't even think about what
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  Speaker 3: to undo.
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  Speaker 4: First, everything was glaring, everything was uprooted, the internal pain
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  Speaker 4: and remember just getting a glimpse of my inner pain
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  Speaker 4: and saying, I don't even know where to start.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what to do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you do?
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  Speaker 4: I God led me to a place called Casa del Sero,
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  Speaker 4: which was twenty three years ago, which back then insurances
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  Speaker 4: did not categorize alcoholism and addiction as a diagnosis that
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  Speaker 4: insurance would pay. So I found a free place and
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  Speaker 4: I got away from family, streets him and lived there
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  Speaker 4: for ninety days with other addicts, trying to get sober.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that time, it's just crazy. We've come
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  Speaker 2: so far when it comes to mental health and addiction
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  Speaker 2: and the help that's available, Thank God. But did you
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of abuse or trauma growing up?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up. I'm a Persian woman.
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  Speaker 4: I was born in Iran to two Persian parents, and
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  Speaker 4: I was born into the revolution. I was born into
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  Speaker 4: a war zone, literally outside Marci. I could hear the
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  Speaker 4: riots and the screaming and the yelling.
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  Speaker 2: I could hear it.
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  Speaker 4: And my mom was like, it's a party, just relaxed,
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  Speaker 4: but she was trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Not have me. You know, I was only like five
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  Speaker 3: years old.
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  Speaker 2: Just yes, absolutely, she was protecting you. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And raised by a narcissistic father and culture. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: was this was my familiar, this was my relational template.
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  Speaker 4: This is what I was attracted to, This is what
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  Speaker 4: I went to.
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  Speaker 2: Now you went obviously, I I get that. As far
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  Speaker 2: as like going into difficult, bad relationships not knowing how
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  Speaker 2: to be treated in a way that you should be treated,
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  Speaker 2: I too did the same. I had a difficult upbringing
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  Speaker 2: and I had a lot of difficulty in relationships and
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  Speaker 2: knowing what good behavior was like For me, it was
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  Speaker 2: just like, as long as someone was validating me and
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  Speaker 2: loved me or I thought love me, I somehow was validated. Really, right,
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  Speaker 2: So and you're not really being loved, you're being used
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  Speaker 2: and being harmed. But it was better than nothing. It
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  Speaker 2: was better than being alone because I didn't know how
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  Speaker 2: to be alone. So when did you start with the
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  Speaker 2: negative coping? And there was also other abuse that you
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  Speaker 2: endured growing up? Yeah, so like I had sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 2: I had abandonment, right, And so here here we are
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  Speaker 2: these young girls and and and I feel like like
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  Speaker 2: I lost that little girl. I just became like a
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  Speaker 2: shell of a person just surviving, right, would you say
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  Speaker 2: you were doing the same. And then and that's when
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  Speaker 2: I found alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely same, Absolutely I resonate and relate to your story.
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  Speaker 4: That is still the thing, Marcy that I have to
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  Speaker 4: really work on is validating myself because I was groomed
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  Speaker 4: for others focused not yet focused, Yeah, others focused. If
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  Speaker 4: you like me, and if you approve of me, then
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  Speaker 4: I must be doing something right.
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  Speaker 3: But then when you walk away.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, you're like a chameleon, like whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: me to be, like, just whatever you like. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what I like.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, just all, I must be doing it right.
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  Speaker 4: But then, because follow me, and I hope your listeners
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  Speaker 4: hear this. This is so it still rings in my ear.
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  Speaker 4: And I heard this just last week. When I build
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  Speaker 4: my home and someone else and they walk away, they
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  Speaker 4: leave me homeless.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's powerful.
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  Speaker 4: I just did this on a podcast last week and
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  Speaker 4: I can't stop thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: That really hits home. That's like, that's a great analogy
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  Speaker 2: of that, right, absolutely. Yeah, So let's talk about when
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  Speaker 2: you started escaping, right, Like, so we're not facing the
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  Speaker 2: real problem, right, we don't even know. We just start coping.
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  Speaker 2: So when did you start really escaping yourself with drugs
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  Speaker 2: and alcohol?
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  Speaker 3: High school?
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  Speaker 4: I was drinking whiskey before eight am English class, before
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  Speaker 4: my English teachers, my English class, I was drinking whiskey,
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  Speaker 4: and if I couldn't get whiskey, I was getting cough
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  Speaker 4: medicine Robott.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and are you in the United States at that time?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we moved when I was about six and
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  Speaker 4: a half years old. So okay, yes, I started. I
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  Speaker 4: was being bullied in high school by a girl big time,
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  Speaker 4: and I was drinking and I was, oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever had this experience, but
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  Speaker 4: we were also doing huffing. Huffing where you are inhaling
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  Speaker 4: paint or liquid paper.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard about that, absolutely, I've heard about it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was I may have heard it by
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  Speaker 2: a different name, but yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we were doing. That's what I was doing
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  Speaker 3: in high school.
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  Speaker 4: I was being bullied and hit on by my English
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  Speaker 4: teacher and so and so and so drinking, and then
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  Speaker 4: I found meth with a bunch of girls in high school,
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  Speaker 4: and then it was off, off and.
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  Speaker 2: Writing right one hundred percent. Now, tell us you were
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  Speaker 2: in high school, and it sounds when did you find
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  Speaker 2: this narcissistic boyfriend and end up on the streets.
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  Speaker 4: This was after high school he was after high school
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  Speaker 4: and I was already addicted to drugs and alcohol and
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  Speaker 4: I found him. He was a drug dealer and I
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  Speaker 4: found him through drug addict in those homes where we
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  Speaker 4: all go and die. Yeah, that's how I found him.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, Marci, this is not my kind
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  Speaker 4: of guy. This is not something I'm attracted to. I
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  Speaker 4: don't I think he's repulsive. Actually right, Yeah, roomed me in, Marcie.
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  Speaker 4: He groomed me in. From that moment that he was
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  Speaker 4: able to jump from the guitar to the piano to singing,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, and because everybody else wanted, everybody else
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  Speaker 4: was in awe of him, so he must be the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was the prize, right, Like that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the things Like if I could, that's like a
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  Speaker 2: way I had control, Like I would entice a man
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  Speaker 2: that I thought or a boy that I thought others wanted,
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  Speaker 2: and if I ended up winning the boy, I won
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  Speaker 2: the prize. Yeah, and when it was that person was
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  Speaker 2: never really the prize. So I totally I can totally
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  Speaker 2: relate to that. Really, So once you got out of
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  Speaker 2: this program, what was it like for you to remain
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  Speaker 2: did you remain sober?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 4: I've been sober since I was thirty years old and
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  Speaker 4: I'm fifty three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible. So what has helped you to sustain that sobriety?
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  Speaker 4: Support, God, the twelve Steps, recovery circles.
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  Speaker 3: And just I'm not gonna lose.
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  Speaker 4: There's a fight in me. There's a fighter in me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna pick up. I'm not gonna give my
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  Speaker 4: power away. I rather be on the ground, like in
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  Speaker 4: a fetal position, crying my guts out than pick up.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not giving myself.
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  Speaker 3: We learned to.
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  Speaker 2: Live in the disease and feel the emotions. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that we talked we touched on was
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  Speaker 2: that that self love, right, So that is what I
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  Speaker 2: have found through my healing is reconnecting to that little girl,
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  Speaker 2: finding the love for myself and who I am, prioritizing myself,
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  Speaker 2: finding confidence, setting my boundaries, finding my voice right, and
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  Speaker 2: living in gratitude and for me, God too, is a
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  Speaker 2: huge part of remaining sober.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like I was sharing with you, I'm almost
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  Speaker 2: ten years sober. So let's talk about the women that
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  Speaker 2: are listening, right, Maybe they're still numbing and maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: not even drugs, but it's wine, it's work, it's people
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  Speaker 2: pleasing food, you know, just staying on that hamster will
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  Speaker 2: just to never face anything. What would you say to them.
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  Speaker 4: You think what you're doing is helping, You think numbing
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  Speaker 4: is supporting. But if you could see the other side
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  Speaker 4: of the rainbow of your true self, you would not
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  Speaker 4: touch any of those things. But you've got to give
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  Speaker 4: yourself the time and that wake up call.
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  Speaker 3: Wake up with Marcy.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to give yourself that wake up call, because
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  Speaker 4: here's what we don't know is that there is a
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  Speaker 4: rainbow on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: It is more delicious.
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  Speaker 3: It is more delicious on the other side, it is fulfilling,
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  Speaker 3: it is rewarding.
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  Speaker 4: It is what we're looking for in all of these
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  Speaker 4: false powers, these false gods. Yeah, but you're gonna sit
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  Speaker 4: with the pain. There's gonna be pain of letting go
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  Speaker 4: and grieving what you use.
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  Speaker 3: As a crutch.
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  Speaker 4: But if you sit, and if you sit and go
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  Speaker 4: through the pain, you'll get to the other side of
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  Speaker 4: this human being that God created that's magnificent and brilliant
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  Speaker 4: and has greatness.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's greatness. You created the twelve Steps for Narcissistic
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  Speaker 2: Abuse Recovery, and I know you have other books. Also,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about a narcissistic relationship because it's very confusing,
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  Speaker 2: extremely damp the jane. So what are some of the
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  Speaker 2: early signs someone may even be in one.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody that literally it's stages. So the early stages is
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  Speaker 4: this person is gonna show up in your life, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's a girlfriend, somebody on social media, a parent, romantic.
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  Speaker 4: I work with a lot of women in romantic but
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  Speaker 4: a lot with girlfriends too.
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  Speaker 2: It can be any anybody.
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  Speaker 3: They could be anybody.
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  Speaker 4: It could be a little lady in the in the
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  Speaker 4: grocery store. But they they somehow can smell maybe for
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  Speaker 4: like you and I talked about, are wound of not
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  Speaker 4: being of needing that validation. They're gonna smell that wound,
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  Speaker 4: and they're gonna go love it. They're gonna oint it.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna love it, and so you're gonna think, this
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  Speaker 4: is the person that has the answer for me, or
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  Speaker 4: this is my soulmate. So they show up super fast,
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  Speaker 4: super intense, and very intoxicating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it feels magical because it's like.
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  Speaker 2: In the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: In the beginning, those things that they loved about you.
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  Speaker 4: Slowly they turn on you. Those things that they loved
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  Speaker 4: about you. Now they can't stand and that confusion and
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  Speaker 4: that cognitive dissonance is going to make you work harder
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  Speaker 4: and overfunction and overdo to go back to that original stage.
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  Speaker 3: So early stages, Oh, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Now. They always make you feel wrong, right, they make
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  Speaker 2: you feel exactly something, they turn it back on you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, And that's the emotional abuse, the emotional manipulation that
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  Speaker 4: they make you feel like you did something wrong.
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  Speaker 3: It's your fault. It's always your fault.
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  Speaker 4: And so you're always because you're in emotional pain. You
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  Speaker 4: want to go back, you want to fix it, you
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  Speaker 4: want to go back. Let's what do I need to do?
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  Speaker 3: What do I?
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  Speaker 4: And so you were function and your overfunction.
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  Speaker 3: Now they have they have you all of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you love me so much? Why don't
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  Speaker 2: you love me anymore? What did I do?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 2: Why is it so hard to leave or even recognize
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  Speaker 2: that this is abuse?
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  Speaker 4: Because the thing called trauma bond A trauma bond is
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  Speaker 4: is the addiction to a human being, and they create
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  Speaker 4: that create addiction because in the beginning, there's just like
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  Speaker 4: a drug there they feel so good and loving and
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  Speaker 4: soft and safe and beautiful and magical, and then when
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  Speaker 4: it turns on you, when they turn on you, then
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  Speaker 4: you are now becoming addicted to them, and now everything
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  Speaker 4: in you that you needed for yourself is in their
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  Speaker 4: hands and in their power, and you can't leave.
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  Speaker 3: You just can't leave.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, you do, you completely lose yourself? Really, you do?
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  Speaker 2: You do? Would you say that addiction and narcissism, Like
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  Speaker 2: maybe you didn't even have a problem, but then you
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  Speaker 2: start self medicating when you're in a relationship like this.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I work with women that come to me after nine, ten,
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  Speaker 4: twelve years of sobriety relapse because of the relationship, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what's so undiagnosed. There's a huge link that I'm
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  Speaker 4: starting to do more work and research on. There's a
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  Speaker 4: huge link between relapse and relational trauma. And so they
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  Speaker 4: either pick up or they relapse. Why because the mental
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  Speaker 4: anguish and the emotional dependency and pain. They're in constant
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  Speaker 4: pain and don't understand because they've been groomed to think
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  Speaker 4: it's their fault. So they need something to numb out,
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  Speaker 4: They need something to come back to life needs it,
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  Speaker 4: but they don't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: They don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you leave a narcissist?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, strategically, strategic.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they wouldn't let you leave.
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  Speaker 4: No, they wouldn't, and in fact, in fact, they escalate
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  Speaker 4: their abuse when they find out that you're leaving.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to do it strategically. You take a
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  Speaker 3: step back.
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  Speaker 4: This is I'm gonna say it in a super fast way.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much more in depth.
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  Speaker 4: But you start to work with someone that you that
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  Speaker 4: teaches you and guides you to strategically plan a life
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  Speaker 4: on the side, whether it's like give cards, money, something
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  Speaker 4: where they can't trace. Now I'm talking right now, only romantic.
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  Speaker 4: There's other approaches with other like boss girlfriends, tribes that
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  Speaker 4: are all you know. So you strategically leave, build a
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  Speaker 4: life on the side. This is for the romantic one.
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  Speaker 4: You build a life on the side. So when you leave,
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  Speaker 4: its smooth. You get the support, you get the money,
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  Speaker 4: you get the strength. But by leaving out of anger
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  Speaker 4: and rage, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Going to go back.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't work. You have to do it strategically and
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  Speaker 4: know what you're facing.
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  Speaker 2: Have a plan, have a plan. Yeah, yeah, and like
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, like have those money cards on the
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  Speaker 2: side and instead of putting money to the side, so
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  Speaker 2: they don't know and you have money and you're not
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  Speaker 2: just leaving like you're saying in anger. So like for you,
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  Speaker 2: your life looks so different now, right, and you know
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  Speaker 2: you're helping others. You've gotten out of it, you've lived it,
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  Speaker 2: you're now like helping others. So what's possible for others
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of addiction and trauma? Like someone
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  Speaker 2: that's listening that feels like they're never going to get out.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, get the support, get the friends that
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  Speaker 4: will validate your truth. Don't go to therapists or counselors
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  Speaker 4: or anybody that's not versed in these dynamics because they
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  Speaker 4: will gaslight you into staying. And because you've lost yourself
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  Speaker 4: so much that you're going to think you should believe
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  Speaker 4: a therapist or a doctor when they don't even know
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  Speaker 4: what these dynamics are, right, So find the support that
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  Speaker 4: is versed in these dynamics. And you're right, you can't
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  Speaker 4: leave unless you have the support and the language and
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  Speaker 4: the validation from someone that's walked out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes complete sense. Like you, so can you
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  Speaker 2: tell us more about your book and how you're helping
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  Speaker 2: through the twelve Steps of Recovery from narcissistic abuse.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that book.
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  Speaker 4: Is literally a navigation of my own internal healing, internal wounds, internal,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's all me.
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  Speaker 3: There's no AI in it. Yeah, it's all me.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, and being in a circle of twelve step
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  Speaker 4: recovery myself in multiple ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with God.
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  Speaker 4: I literally sat down and created it for people that
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  Speaker 4: cannot get out, can't afford therapists, can't afford whatever they
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  Speaker 4: can at home, take themselves through this workbook and awaken
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  Speaker 4: to whatever they're meant to awaken to. I mean literally,
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  Speaker 4: this is therapy in a work book as best as
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  Speaker 4: it can come because it does guide.
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  Speaker 3: It guides you from the beginning to the end.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So I do give you.
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  Speaker 2: That blueprint that you need to help yourself to get
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  Speaker 2: through this and know it's possible. And I just want
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to thank you so much for sharing your story, your
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  Speaker 2: message of hope and for anyone out there, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you can do this. You can do this, and thank
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  Speaker 2: you for sharing your heart and your truth. And all
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: of your information is going to be listed to below,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: But just tell us what's the one place you spend
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  Speaker 2: most time. Where should people go?
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  Speaker 3: You could go to Instagram or YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: I'm starting to really grow on YouTube, putting a lot
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  Speaker 4: of content out there, so break free, underscore, rise and rebuild.
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  Speaker 4: So literally, it's for your addiction narcissistic abuse you can
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  Speaker 4: break for and my YouTube is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, fantastic. So to everyone out there listen, if
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  Speaker 2: you've been struggling guilt, shame, trauma, or self doubt, I
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  Speaker 2: want you to hear this that you're not alone, your
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  Speaker 2: past does not defined you, and it's never too late
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  Speaker 2: to start again. And Isaeta you are living proof of that.
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  Speaker 3: I am thank you, Thank you, Marcy, thank you so.
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  Speaker 2: Much, been beautiful. And to everyone out there, if this
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: episode moved you, please take a moment to like, comment, share,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: or leave a review, because that's how these messages get spread.
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  Speaker 2: This life changing message for others that need to hear it,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And if you want to go deeper in your healing journey,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you can always connect with me at Wakeupwithmarcy dot com.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And thank you all again for tuning in, listening, watching,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and we'll see you next time week. Have a great one.
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  Speaker 2: Bye mm hmm