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Bob Nightengale on Padres signing Lucas Giolito + Cubs streak good, Phillies & Mets streak ugly · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: So I was going to mention how we have our
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  Speaker 1: resident second base from Jason Kipness for the day here
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  Speaker 1: for a couple hours. He's also our resident restaurant tour
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  Speaker 1: and I was going to tell you how I think
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  Speaker 1: you probably should have invested in this other industry called
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: baseball teams. I was curious to just get your quick
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  Speaker 1: hit or thought, as you are a businessman and entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 1: what about the padres selling for three point nine billion dollars,
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  Speaker 1: which smashes the record two point four to two for
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  Speaker 1: the I can't win a game Mets, But the Forbes
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  Speaker 1: report had them at three point one bill, which was
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine percent above the year before. So basically stock
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  Speaker 1: soared right and in twenty twelve they bought him for
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like eight hundred mil. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to butcher the number, but it was nothing close to
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  Speaker 1: what it is now. So just wanted to get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on how that all went down, as I did
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time last night going through their
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  Speaker 1: books for some reason. I was on a flight for
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  Speaker 1: a while and just looked and I was like, wait
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  Speaker 1: a second. A lot of people that are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they just got bought for much higher price because they're
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  Speaker 1: in California. Are forgetting that. Places like Forbes don't like
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  Speaker 1: up the value BA. They just are up to upping
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  Speaker 1: the value based on what is their reported public revenue.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you can't see all the books behind,
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  Speaker 1: but you can see a lot in terms of attendance
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  Speaker 1: and TV money. Their local TV money is almost nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, long story short, if I bought the team KIP,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh damn, twenty twenty nine, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: suddenly get like two hundred million in local media money
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  Speaker 1: when they package it all together.
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  Speaker 2: Side story, before I even answer that I once I retired,
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  Speaker 2: I actually did try to become a part owner in
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  Speaker 2: a team. I will not mention there was. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's a big money, big market game. There are
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  Speaker 2: multiple commas that are needed to get in it. It
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  Speaker 2: is people with a lot more money than I have
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  Speaker 2: or made in my career. These are big boy checks
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  Speaker 2: being written by a lot of guys who just are
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  Speaker 2: throwing around money. It is a about as safe of
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  Speaker 2: a owner's If you're not, they're not losing money. I'll
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  Speaker 2: put it that way. Just by owning the team inflation. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: TV deals, everything that goes into it, everybody who may
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  Speaker 2: puts money into a ownership, they're gonna they're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: coming out with a profit, uh ten, fifteen, twenty years, however,
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  Speaker 2: however long they they keep it, so in forty years
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. If you have this, if this show is
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  Speaker 2: still going, you're gonna have the same conversation about whoever
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  Speaker 2: buys the Padres and that number is gonna be double
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is right now.
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  Speaker 1: Right, We're gonna be like all the Padres are worth
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  Speaker 1: nine billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That's just how it's gonna be going. It's it's they're there,
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  Speaker 2: it's big, it's big money people doing big money stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Or it's just these are these are conversations. Yeah, we're not.
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  Speaker 2: We're not privy to too many of these conversations. And
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  Speaker 2: I was a very small, small fraction that I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to get in on. But uh no, every every
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  Speaker 2: team is just gonna be going up and up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're wrong, Kip. There's no way they're making any money.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way they're making any money because they need
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  Speaker 3: a salary cap. They need to be able to keep
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  Speaker 3: key player salaries to a minimum, like they're just they
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  Speaker 3: don't make any money, and it's unfair when teams make money,
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  Speaker 3: so we definitely have a salary cap. Unfair, let's be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still curious about Kip being in on an ownership group.
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  Speaker 1: I know we're not going to get the team. That's fine,
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  Speaker 1: but I.
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  Speaker 3: Know you don't Long Island.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the commat section from us. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: no one. No one has said the right team yet.
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  Speaker 2: So Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs, I would I would consult
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  Speaker 2: you first before I ever went near that team. That
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  Speaker 2: is your leg Yeah, most I know.
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  Speaker 3: More of the International League than than the other leagues.
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  Speaker 3: But Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs going there on Friday, I
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  Speaker 3: think they're the most profitable minor league team.
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  Speaker 2: I think is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah? There are either one or two. It bounces
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  Speaker 3: toward them.
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  Speaker 2: And they always do very well that they they run
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  Speaker 2: a good tip over there, they run a good production.
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  Speaker 2: I do my memories.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do not call or do not avoid Crats if
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  Speaker 1: you're looking into any minor league teams, he should be
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  Speaker 1: one of your first phone calls to consult.
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  Speaker 2: He'll give you the tour of every home locker room
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  Speaker 2: that you need.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly visiting locker rooms.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: Mostly to warn you, right, the water fountain in the
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  Speaker 1: upper left quadrant of the visiting clubhouse is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit leaky, so you might want to be careful. In
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  Speaker 1: doc ten thousand dollars from your.
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  Speaker 3: Big We're never going to get to the show. We're
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  Speaker 3: never going to get to the show. But there was
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  Speaker 3: two two minor league clubhouses that I helped uninstall and
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  Speaker 3: install brand new shower heads so that the boys, so
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  Speaker 3: the boys could enjoy good showers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are in the bushes a couple minor league
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  Speaker 2: places where I helped uninstall glass windows and wooden batholders.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a sink, and I got a window
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  Speaker 3: in Louisville walking back to the clubhouse, got a window.
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  Speaker 2: Louisville is one of my places. I uh so, it's
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  Speaker 2: a long ramp going up towards the dugout or is
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  Speaker 2: the locker room. Yeah, yep, through sore where we're If
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  Speaker 2: anybody didn't catch on, we're in a slump and we
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  Speaker 2: smashed some stuff with a bat. I threw my bat
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  Speaker 2: and that's yes, and I ricocheted all the way up
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  Speaker 2: and spider web the glass window raped like this is
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  Speaker 2: like a thirty yard ramp. Never thought I would make
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  Speaker 2: it all the way up, and it like like grind
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  Speaker 2: railed the railing all the way up to it. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like still in the fall through and I just
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  Speaker 2: see a spider web with like a dart in there,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, huh, it's just make you pay
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  Speaker 2: for it. It's yeah, and immediately snaps you out of
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  Speaker 2: it and you're like, hmm, I shouldn't have done that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have to pay for it. And mine was
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  Speaker 3: a baseball because I never went into slumps. Okay, how
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  Speaker 3: about that kip.
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  Speaker 2: You have to hit to go in slumps? You have
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  Speaker 2: to have a Zachary. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: While you guys were step brothering, things have happened, right,
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  Speaker 1: So let's get to it. No, it's okay, it's actually
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  Speaker 1: worked out. For one minute. Vamp that I just got
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  Speaker 1: here actually worked out perfectly. Oh wait, sorry, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: it might need one more second.
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  Speaker 3: We do have one more story.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can keep fighting if you have one, I'll
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  Speaker 1: take thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 3: You actually stop what you're doing when you break something,
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  Speaker 3: when you're or you hurt somebody, when you're having a
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  Speaker 3: roid rage, and it like makes you it makes you
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  Speaker 3: just think like I'm such an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: A well, I still have like a conversation while I
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  Speaker 2: was freaking out, well and I could still I still
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  Speaker 2: have a sense of humor. So I'll be like someone
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  Speaker 2: will be telling a joke, and like my team was
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  Speaker 2: so used used to Cleveland was like Chisenhaul would come
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  Speaker 2: down there and he'll just seem I'll be like bashing
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  Speaker 2: these cabinets and I'd be like, you a little out
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  Speaker 2: in front, and I'll be like, yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 2: curve ball got me a little bit, and then I'll
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  Speaker 2: just go right back to it. But obviously like those
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  Speaker 2: they they know you so well and they know how
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  Speaker 2: to break you so fast out of it as your
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  Speaker 2: your teammates and brothers there that it's like I was
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  Speaker 2: still able to tell a joke. Uh, they were able
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  Speaker 2: to tell jokes to me. I think I picked up Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: I picked up Ryan Rayburn's bat one time and it
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  Speaker 2: was just like it looked like someone had already bashed
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  Speaker 2: something with it, like it was splintering. It was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: And he like calls me out and he's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: next time you pick up a bat, He's like, how
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  Speaker 2: about you not use my gamer? And I'm like in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of like a hulk rage and I was like, ew,
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  Speaker 2: this is your gamer. Like we all just started laughing,
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  Speaker 2: all the people down there, and so it's good to
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  Speaker 2: have a sense of humor. It's bad to touch anybody else's.
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  Speaker 2: So if anybody is watching and you're playing, only use
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  Speaker 2: your stuff and make sure you're not by anybody. You
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  Speaker 2: can't hurt anybody, and you don't hurt yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Lonnie Chisel Chest.
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  Speaker 2: Going with him to uh Scotland in June to play
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  Speaker 2: Saint Andrews.
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  Speaker 3: Last and don't steal anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's an odd superd and we don't have time for
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  Speaker 1: that story because we have.
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  Speaker 2: Said that that wasn't it wasn't important to me. Just
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  Speaker 2: got why he said that, Okay, got it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Free agency continues the USA. Today's Bob Nightingale joining us
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  Speaker 1: right now, and you just saw him tweet out how
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  Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres have linked up with Lucas Giolito,
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  Speaker 1: the last big starting free agent, starting pitching free agent
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  Speaker 1: on the market. Bob, great to have you on. What
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  Speaker 1: can you tell us.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they've been talks for a while and uh I
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  Speaker 4: think kind of waved for the price to drop down.
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  Speaker 4: And then you know, I think the new ownership helps
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  Speaker 4: your new ownerships probably can say, you know what, we
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  Speaker 4: got some money to spend a trade, am I, and
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  Speaker 4: let's spend it now? And uh what the potteries at
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  Speaker 4: one eleven last twelve, I mean, tied with the dog
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  Speaker 4: is right now, and he's just gonna boost that team up.
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  Speaker 4: And I think they needed some depth there. If they
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  Speaker 4: didn't have that depth, I think they might have made
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  Speaker 4: away this this nice boost for him. Now we'll see
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  Speaker 4: how long it'll take Giliano and get ready, it certainly
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  Speaker 4: didn't take Patrick Corbulong.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a great fit for him, not only
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  Speaker 3: because he's in he would be in the big leagues,
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  Speaker 3: but the fact that the bullpen shortens games. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: need to go to a place where he needs to
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  Speaker 3: throw six or seven innings. He can throw four or
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  Speaker 3: five or even is there plans to maybe drop him
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  Speaker 3: into more of like a three or four inning roll
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  Speaker 3: and get him back a week or two earlier or
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: is it just still brand new news.
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  Speaker 4: I still think it needed to have him go on
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: to rehab assignment, you know, in a at least for
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: a few starts. Now, you know, Corban Baga, Corbman came
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  Speaker 4: back after one after missing all the spring training, and
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  Speaker 4: he's looked great for the Blue Jays, going along four
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  Speaker 4: or five innings. But you know, at least he's a
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  Speaker 4: nice example. But we've also seen the other way too,
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  Speaker 4: where guys Partokul, the pitchers who miss all spring training struggle.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens. But it's a nice depth
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  Speaker 4: at the back end there for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Bob, let's tie this into the new ownership group
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be coming in. You know, sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: see ownership groups kind of take their time get adjusted.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even official yet as far as we know.
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  Speaker 1: They have to get approved by the rest of the owners.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, how do you think this group can
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  Speaker 1: impact San Diego. It's a Padre's fan base that is
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: used to this kind of activity. When we had the
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  Speaker 1: late great Peter Sidler running the franchise, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm under siler. I mean, they spent money wildly and
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  Speaker 4: they had the third biggest payroll in baseball and it
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  Speaker 4: paid off. The last two years they watched their budget,
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  Speaker 4: and they had a cut payroll just to add some
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  Speaker 4: guys on, signing guys to mildly contracts, cheap contracts like
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  Speaker 4: Marquez at Basquez and going from there. And uh, at
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  Speaker 4: least now you've got to proven commoditie and uh, they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna give the Dodgers everything they can handle. Uh. You
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  Speaker 4: know a year ago, you thought, Okay, at some point
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna have to trade for Nano Tatis because this
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  Speaker 4: contract is movable all but sun and it's like, forget that,
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  Speaker 4: keep building on and you know, white white, can't this
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  Speaker 4: be the year someone knocks out the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a thing that the Padres could say they're
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  Speaker 3: just too tough to knock off and just ride it
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  Speaker 3: out to the playoffs, Not that anybody can just ride
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  Speaker 3: it out, but is there a focus where the Padres
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  Speaker 3: could potentially make another move And I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 3: like Lucas Giolito is not a small small move, but
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  Speaker 3: a smaller move where they could still move a Tatis
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  Speaker 3: for that big piece that would solidify them pushing all
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  Speaker 3: in for this year and the next few years.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think Tatis is there now, particularly new ownership.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if they even listened to many calls
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  Speaker 4: in the winter. He's certainly not going anywhere. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the big thing is, Okay, do they make some more
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  Speaker 4: moves and and get better outfielder? Uh, you know for
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  Speaker 4: the stretch run. So I mean, people are in San
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  Speaker 4: Diego excited, uh, you know, and the Dodgers are just
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  Speaker 4: running away with this scene. Two weeks ago, all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden, the Dogs are hit by injuries, massive injury
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  Speaker 4: to Edwin Diaz, and this thing is wide opened. And
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  Speaker 4: the bullpen, you know, even though you know, besides Mason
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  Speaker 4: Miller has been lights out, but now you get this
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  Speaker 4: kind of pitching depth now helping them go a little
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  Speaker 4: deeper in games and save that bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the rest of the world forgets that, Bob?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, last year, the Padres gave the Dodgers a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good run late into the season, and the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: didn't even end up with one of the buys, one
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  Speaker 1: of the top two seeds in the National League. You
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  Speaker 1: just think back, and as history gets murkier, people just
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  Speaker 1: think they ran through the league for two years.
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  Speaker 4: No, You're absolutely right. They could have got easily got
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  Speaker 4: beat by the Phillies that first round on Basil rookie
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  Speaker 4: has a throwing year or also going to have Game
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  Speaker 4: five in Philadelphia, should have got beat by the potteris
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  Speaker 4: two years ago. Pottery has had him down two to
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  Speaker 4: one Game four at Pecko with the Dodgers having a
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  Speaker 4: bullpen game and no Freddie Freeman, so they could have
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  Speaker 4: been beat a couple of times. So I think the
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  Speaker 4: potter's think, Okay, here here's our chance, you know, more
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  Speaker 4: than an older team with the Dodgers, uh, you know
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  Speaker 4: they're starting to get up in age two. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: what happens. But I think, uh, I think it'd be
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  Speaker 4: a huge series in May. I know it's only May,
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  Speaker 4: but when the Dodgers visit the Potres, I think those
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: fans will go ballistic waiting for it to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Bob, you hinted down a little bit. What are the
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  Speaker 2: realistic expectations for Gilito a little bit? How high of
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  Speaker 2: an expectation can you have for someone who he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: signed in the offseason, and so if no team's really
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  Speaker 2: signed him or believed in him, then he really have
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  Speaker 2: such a high for him when you sign him later
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  Speaker 2: in the year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, actually right, Jason. I mean a lot of teams
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  Speaker 4: could have used them. I mean Atlanta thought he couldn't
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  Speaker 4: help them. They never even got to the point of negotiations. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Chicago could use their starter, you know, they didn't,
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  Speaker 4: you know, pull the trigger on them. So I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if he can pitch four or five, maybe
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  Speaker 4: six innings towards the end, you know, by second half
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  Speaker 4: of the year, I think that's good for them. I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how long can marquezki pitching like this? They've
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: had the lights out performances and now, you know it
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: give us more time to to Joe Mushgrove to get
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: him right. Obviously, Darbus should be out all year, so
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  Speaker 4: I think it's much needed. And if he can return
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  Speaker 4: to being the guy he wasn't second half, he'd be
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  Speaker 4: great to have for the stretch run and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: give them a realistic chance to go deep in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: a cover rules run.
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  Speaker 3: Like you said, it was the Padres and the Cubs.
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  Speaker 3: What we originally heard maybe the Braves, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of help throw that in there. But since we
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  Speaker 3: heard about the Padres for a while, here was this
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  Speaker 3: ownership change delaying them, making this move was there like
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  Speaker 3: a I mean it's April, so there's not much of
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: a freeze. I mean, not many moves rarely made, But
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: was there kind of a freeze like, Hey, let's make
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: sure we get this new group in before we make
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: any kind of sweeping decisions on this.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I mean they were in on guys, but had to
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: be their price. Remember they were in Merrill Kelly. It
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: was all big deferred money. They running Zach Gallon was
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: differring a ton of money. They shouldn't have the present
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: day money to do it, but you got to think
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: there's some kind of correlation with the new ownership group
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: kind of given the nod like, Okay, we can add
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: onto the payroll in twenty twenty six. Let's not worry about,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: you know, the deferred payments. We can do it now.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: So I think just this gives them the stamp of
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: approval that, hey, go ahead and do this thing, and
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: let's be honest, if they can have a nice run
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: and get to the role series, that ownership is going
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: to make a whole lot of money. Wrap the bat.
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  Speaker 1: we're Charger. We're talking about the Cubs. They've won seven
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  Speaker 1: games in a row, Kip, what are you seeing it?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It seems kind of quiet nationwide that the Cubs are
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: going on this run. I think part of it has
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to do with some of the other big money, big
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: market teams looking so damn bad. I mean, some have
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: been fine, some have been terrible. We've talked almost every
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: day right now about you know, the Mets and the Phillies,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and a little bit about a slow start for the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays. Astro is not looking good. Cubs look really
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: good right now, and they're missing quite a bit of pitching.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: They are missing quite a bit of pitching with Kate
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Horn going down and some of these other guys. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: think Boyd's coming back here shortly. So I do obviously
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: marquee with them a couple times right before this win streak.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Their problems were they were not hitting with runners on
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: scoring position. They were one for thirty I think for
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a series. So that was the problem. The silver lining
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: through it all was is that they were still creating opportunities.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: They were still getting guys on base, they just were
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: not cashing it in. Now, to combine with that, good
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: pitching a little bit, you're starting to see this offense
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: cash them all in and that's how this win streaks
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: kind of come out to be. Starting pitching's been there.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think with these this Cubs lineup. Some of these
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: big market teams where you might have a Judge or
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: a Harper and schwarbur in the middle of these lineups,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: it's like there's no huge names on the starting rotation
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: or in this lineup, but this is one of the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: deepest lineups in the league where it's a one through nine.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: These guys create opportunities. They get on base, they all
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: can hit doubles in the gap, and they could all
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: run a little bit that they can attack you from
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: different ways. So this Cubs team is a good team,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and I think as they get going and start to
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: get better with runners in scoring position, you're going to
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: see some long streaks like this happen.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I think one of the things that this team has done,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and you see it in all of their long term extensions,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they've paid for defense, and somebody will be like, Wow,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: you could have had Kyle Tucker. You know, he's he
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's bad on defense, but they elected
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: not to spend that extra money on offense, and they
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: locked up Nico Horner, they locked up PCA even before
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: these guys. They came and gave Jason Hayward a ton
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: of money. They win a World Series with that, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that was a defensive move. The model for the Cubs
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: is to play good defense. And if you watch just
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: this Phillies, this Phillies series, I mean Bregman's making a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: few good plays at third. Matt Shaw played third last night.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: He made a couple good plays. They you build up
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: your pitching staff when guys make plays behind you. I
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: know that sounds I know that sounds very elementary. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: when you have golden left, you have golden center, you
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: have gold at second. I'm not sure if Dansby has
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a gold glove or not, but I know Bregman has
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: a goal glove at third. So you sit there and
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you go, yes, this pitching staff doesn't have the big names.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Even though Matthew Boyd started out hot striking a lot
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: of guys out. It's so much easier for pitchers to
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: allow the other team to hit the ball and put
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: it in play, especially in April in Chicago when the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: win's not blown out. But it's easier to pitch and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to be effective. If you can let guys put the
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: ball in play here, hit it, we'll make the out.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: If you don't, that's okay, you'll hit the next one,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: we'll get two outs on the next play, or we'll
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: like that's and it seems to me that's how the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Cubs are pitching right now, and that gives you more confidence,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: which ultimately puts hitters in bad counts, which ultimately help
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you get more strikeouts. So it's like they're playing a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: very good team style, but it's the team that they built.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: They built this with intention, and it's working out for
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: him right now.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I did the research too while you were talking. Danzysponson
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: does not have one goal glove.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He has two.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: He does. I think early on, I think even with
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: teams that have the same rosters returning, it takes there's
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a different storyline to each year, and there's a different
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: way to find your mo of that year and your identity.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I think the Cubs early on, right now, I think
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: they're one of the first teams to find their identity
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and to find what they're good at and how they
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: do it. Because they've already had injuries, so they've had
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: guys and a next man up kind of mentality already.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: But I think Shoda and Cabrera at the top of
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the rotation have done great. Boyd coming back now he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: been mister consistent. Colin Ray doesn't get enough love, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: think on the national news just because he's not flashy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: But if you go look at last year and this
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: year so far, the guy's numbers are about as consistently
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: as you want, and he's probably only considered he'd be
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: considered number five starter on most teams, and he's been
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: pitching like a three year better for a while. Now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: They're just solid. They really are solid, and especially like
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Kratz said, when you have a defense behind him that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they do, just throw strikes, don't be scared to put
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the ball in play or have it put in play.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Don't don't shoot yourself in the foot by walking guys
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and getting them on base and giving these big Indians
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: when you've got that defense behind you.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the case with the Cubs. I mean,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you tell me Kip that there's definitely some swing and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: miss that's going to be missing from this team right
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: now with Palencia out, they lost Porter Hodge for the year.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Like those are their big swing and miss guys. I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: sure I'm missing some, you know, bullpen wise, Hunter Harvey
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: can get some swing and miss with his stuff. He's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: been out too, so they're missing a lot of their
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: strikeout punch. But yet you can just rely on the defense.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Last night was a really good example of that. I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: think the league miscalculated on show to him Naga. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: think you know, Imanaga kind of looked and said, hey,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think there's going to be
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: enough out there. And he took the qualifying offer and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that's great. I mean, that's a very good number, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: usually that means the agent called around and said, hey,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to get more than this
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: from the league, so we should take it. And Monaga
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: is awesome. The first year. Last year it seemed like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: he might have been hurt a little bit and went
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: through threw some ups and downs. But I mean he
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: looks like, you know, a very good starter again for
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this team, and it's been swinging miss up until yester.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I think he had one punch out in the seven
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: innings that he put together and just was getting more
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: weak contact. But he's been awesome.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the start before that, he went like six innings,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: no hits, a nine K. So it's like he again.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: They don't have these huge superstar in names that you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: would probably attached to a Cubs roster or to a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: big city market like that, but they have a bunch
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of solid players and PCA hasn't even gotten going yet.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: That's the fun part too. For the offensive side, he's
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he's kind of in a little bit of a struggle
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: gaining his feet under him this year. But I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: if he gets going again anywhere remotely close to what
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: he did last year, you already know what you got.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: With the base running, the defense, he's arguably the best
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: defensive center fielder in the game right now. With how
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: much ground he covers, he he he has ways to
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: contribute to games even if he does doesn't hit. So
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I love the way he plays the game, but they
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: would they will see a huge boost if they can
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: get his back going as well.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Is the offense good enough you watch the Cubs.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I just really do like the depth of it. It's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: one of those ones where it's like you can watch
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a Yankees game, you can watch some of these other
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: teams and you know they're top heavy. You know what
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: do they say? You know you can go to the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: bathroom on certain Indians where it's like, oh, I'm not
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: missing these at bats. I just really like the Cubs
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: lineup with how deep it is one through nine, where
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: it's like you got guys in seven, eight, nine holes
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: who are are hitting for high average or have high
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: end basins and turn the lineup over to Nico at
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the top, who's been unreal this year so far. But
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: it's just the every single one through the order can
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: is contributing. And I think that makes when you don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: give that starting pitcher a break at all, when he
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't when he's on the mount, he's like, now this
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: guy's up. Now this guy's like I'm like where is
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: my like automatic out, like it's not coming. Then that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: just a that's a hard lineup. So I wouldn't. I
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: would always like the Cubs, and especially because I think
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the been smart with the way they've spent their money
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to I think they're missing pieces then now maybe save
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: your money and go get some pitching maybe, But other
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: than that, they're they're going to be as competitive as
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: you want Uh, they're just they're not You're not scared
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: of anybody, but you're definitely not excited to play them either.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And cue the jokes in the chad. Right now, people
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: are like, well, they're not playing anyone, They're playing the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Mets and the Phillies.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a weird sent to say right now, But
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: that's it's weird say they're good enough to beat those
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: teams and they're not going to be the team when
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: when good teams like Mets and Phillies are down, it
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: is very smart and you have to be good enough
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to not let them up. Do not be the team
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that wakes them up, and do not be the team
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that kind of gets those big big boys going again.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And and so they took care of business. You're supposed
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to be the guys who aren't playing well, and they did.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: You can't blame them for that. Play the game in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: front of you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And we'll see if that continues. So a couple of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: minutes here on the other side with the Phillies, crats,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: what's the word from Philadelphia? Can you hear the through
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the radios and the booing from the ballpark and the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: whole deal?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Right now, the best thing that's happening, which hasn't happened
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: for the last like ten years. Here. The Flyers are winning,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the Flyers are playing well, and the Sixers are actually
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Nobody thinks they're going to do well,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: and it really has sheltered them a little bit. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: also the expectation here in Philly, and I heard it
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: all last year, was I don't really care what they
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: do in the regular season. I don't really care because
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: if this team doesn't know how to make an adjustment
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: in the postseason there, I don't even want to watch
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the entire season. So now all those people are kind
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: of mum like, oh, it was kind of nice when
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: they were winning last year in the regular season, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: so they're they're They're not the first ones on the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: talk rate on talk radio to to be to jump
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: in and be like, oh man, they're cooked, because they're
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the same people who are saying they were cooked last
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: year and they had an eight game lead in the division.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Oh they'll make the playoffs. Well, now they stayed there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: They're the worst. Now they're all like, oh crap, this
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: team actually is not doing well. And it's I said
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: it yesterday, I'll say it again because I watched part
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: of the game last night. It was I mean, I
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: get it. Harper hit a hit a dinger late in
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the game, and they had a chance with Trey Turner
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: up with second and third, down by three, but had
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: a chance for what like a three run homer Like
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: those don't come around often. It just is something that
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: most of the lineup is isn't out, and unfortunately it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: like a quick out for the Phillies. I think the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: average is like one hundred and sixty three pitches a game,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and I think the Phillies are seeing like one hundred
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: and forty pitches a game. Like it's it's like take
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: strike one, swing it the next pitch and put it
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: in play weekly. So it's something that this offense needs
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to figure out. I get the pitchings eer isn't great,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: but this is an offensive thing and they need to
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: They need to turn it around quick. It's it's getting
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: laid early.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna asked the same thing I've been asking you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for years. Are they still should they have done something
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: more drastic?
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: No? No, no, I mean, oh, they should have gotten
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: more of commedy. They should they should have gotten Boba
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Schett they should have pushed harder. Wait what, No, Like
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: they didn't know all the stuff was gonna happen with
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Alec Boum. I mean, if you go around the league,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: if you go around this, around the horn, every position,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: you would go, Okay, who's better than Alec Bohm For
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the price they're paying Alec Bohm, he's a really good
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: third baseman. Are they gonna Are they gonna replace him
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: with a free agent? Should they have gotten Bregman? Yeah?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I honestly thought two years ago, I thought they should
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: have gotten rid of Costianus when he had value and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: locked in Kyle Tucker when he was on the market,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: and from what I heard it was close. Instead of
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: the Astros getting Esta parades, they would have gotten Alec Boom.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: But it's hard to get rid of Alec Boom too
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: when he has had back to back seasons of ninety
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: seven RBIs. Nobody saw the entire team struggling like this
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: this early, and now today they gotta face Matthew Boyd.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I get he's off the il, but it's another lefty
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: that's had success when he's been out on the mound
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: this year.
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  Speaker 1: We learned about that yesterday. It didn't get to it,
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  Speaker 1: for a day. He was unavailable on Saturday because Walt
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  Speaker 1: to April twentieth. He did go to Atlanta for an
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: MRI no structural damage, so they hope that it's going
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to be a short stint for him. They debated at
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: resting him for four or five days. Is coming from
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Mark Bowman, who covers the team, but they didn't want
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to go short in the bullpen, so they decided to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: just sit him down. Good news is Kratz. They have
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty good backup closer because he's a closer. His
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: name is Robert Suarez. But I don't I don't want
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to lose this part. Have you seen these situations pop
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: up where you sleep on something funny and all of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a sudden, the dude really hurts himself.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. I mean, he probably slept on it
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: funny and it was hurting, but it was because his
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: shoulder is Yeah, Kip, you hurt yourself. You pulled your
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: hamstring trying to untuck the covers.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: No, I was at the so backout from a sneeze.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying this is welcome, welcome to older age. This
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: is unfortunately the beginning. You mean, no, yes, it is.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: You're getting You're not sleeping on it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: The question was you're not sleeping on it and hurting it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: He didn't sleep on it?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Wrong?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: And go, oh no, that John was that John was
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: hanging all ready. You don't sleep on some correct? Correct?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, correct, Well I missed a game or two because
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I woke up with a bad neck where it's like
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even face the picture from sleeping. I understand
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it might have stemmed from something soft, dude, I believe me.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you get older, that body stops, stops
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: work and stops responding the same way, and stops doing
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of things the same way. So I don't
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: like hearing that it does happen. And if you're gonna
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: rest him for four days, how are you gonna rest him?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: You know, how's he gonna? Is he sleeping? Be careful, like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: what is he gonna get hurt? More?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Sleeping for a week?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Sitting up? He's thirty sick. I'm just saying that's like,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: guys get older, you start hurting yourselves in weird ways.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The only one like I believe that because I've done
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it with my neck. It's the ones like it's the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: tripping over dogs at home that always I'm always like, eh,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that means something else to me. But sleeping, just because
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I've done it, I'm like, hey, that happens, actually bad, pillow.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I need us.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a side sleeper. I need the support of my neck.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So I've had it happen before. And like I'm gonna say,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you get older, it's all I'm all gonna say.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna there'll be a podcast crowd that's listening to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the car later like his crat's whispering, Yes, he's whispering soft, just.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Like just like Kobe said, just like the just like
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the gift that I send from Kobe where he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: but you didn't go into ie L because your neck
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: was stiff. You missed two games. I get that part
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: of it, but it's not the original question.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Was I understand the shoulder And it's not a yes,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: but I'm just and I'm I'm saying, yes, it is
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: already hurting, but you can't hurt yourself sleeping, you can
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: make it worse. I pinched nerves when I slept, like
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: if I didn't have the right thing, like I would
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: wake up in my arms and be completely dead to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the world, like a Spento when he shot with the darts,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: like just I could not move. And it's there's I'm saying,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: stuff can happen. That's all I'm trying to say.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Kip, next time you fall asleep and both your arms
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: are asleep, or one of your arms is asleep, shake
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: your other hand, shake your hand that's asleep, and you'll
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: know what it feels like to actually shake your own hand.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Proud of that one. That's Is that what you do?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, nice to meet me.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fall asleep like this and then you wake up
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh crap, can't get my alarm.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Well you'll you'll know what it's like to shake your
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: own hand if your hand was dead. So I guess
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: there's that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: One more thing. On the Braves, they're playing really well
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and they're watching these other two teams at the same
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: time just self destruct and they're loving it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: It's a long, long season, but it doesn't hurt to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: get a hot start going while the other two teams
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: are looking terrible.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, I listen again, there's you can't win the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: division in April in May, but you can certainly lose it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I think the teams that figure out themselves, like I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: said about the Cubs earlier, they figure out their identity
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: early on and figure out how to win ball games
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: early on, certainly set themselves up. And if the other
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: teams in your division want to shoot themselves in the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: foot earlier and spin their tires or can't get out
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of the mud, that's, hey, all the more power to them.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: This is when you really need to put emphasis. Then,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: if you're the Braves or any teams like that, where
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you see these other teams, you're like, hey, because we
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: know baseball's a game of averages, it's going to even
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: itself out. There's going to be a losing streak down
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the road for the Braves, and there's gonna be some
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: winning streaks for Phillies and stuff like that. Take advantage
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: of this now when they're not playing well and you're
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: playing well. You try to win every game already, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: really put the emphasis on on the each day.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Isn't it crazy? How exactly started exactly opposite. Last year,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Phillies were off the hot start Braves or Brutes mcgoots,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: except the Braves played the Dodgers. The Braves came out
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the shoot and I think they were oh and seven
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: or one in seven. I'm not sure Scott would remember,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: but it was a tough start and they were just
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: behind the April. It is exactly flipped. So Philly's got
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of work to do. I think the Mets
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: are cooked because the Mets just they don't have Yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Nolan McLain and Freddy Peralta and that is it right now.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: And it was oh and seven last year. And also
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: when I said the other two teams, I'm talking about
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the Phillies and the Mets. I know there are two
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: other teams in the division. Sorry, I'm not putting my
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: money on the Nationals doing a lot of damage throughout
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the entire season. It's been a cute start and then
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Marlins might hang around, but I don't see them as
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a playoff team. I think the expectations were decently high
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: for the Mets and the Phillies. So just rounding up
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the division here and then let's move to the Ale
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: East We're going to talk to Aaron Boone, Yankees manager soon,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: but before we get to him, let's talk Orioles for
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a moment. We had the three guys crats that went
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: down with the Hamlet injuries at the same time, Corbyn Carroll,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday, and Francisco Lindor. Lindor off to a super
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: super slow start. I know, he Homer last night. Oh Kip,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you've had one too.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, there's a scar there.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Then we're going to go to you first. Jackson Holiday
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is still out. You know, he struggled at one point.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You know, his dad, Matt went on our Cardinal Territory show,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: which he is a co host of, and talked about
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: how he felt like he might be overcompensating with the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: other hand. So talk us through what young Jackson is
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: going through. You know, a much younger player, not too
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: much younger than Corbyn Carroll, much younger than Francisco Lindor.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to get yourself going with a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: full season of baseball. And he had to leave the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: game after this swing yesterday.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: So I still remember when I did it. It was actually
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: my last at bat ever in a Cleveland uniform. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: was still going through some changes. I used to hold it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to raise it here, so I used to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: hold it right there. I was trying to I don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: know whether just to make changes so I could get better.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I wasn't hitting for high enough average, and I dropped
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: my pinky down here a little bit or to like even,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and that started to put pressure on the handmaid that
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: was not used to it. Like my hands were formed
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: for my regular swing and now I'd switched to that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And if anybody doesn't know, if it looks at us scan,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the handmaid's almost like a hook and rate where this
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: line is the knuckle, that's where it cracks, and they
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: basically just saw it straight off. You don't really need it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So that's what happens for the surgery, and it takes
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a little time to get back power, takes a little
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: time to get back comfort, and it's just annoying. It's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: not a painful process after the surgery's done by any means.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: It's just rhythm and kind of re strengthening the muscles
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: in your hand to kind of go back to where
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: they were because you're not allowed to use it for
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a while when it's in a cast or anything like that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: But he's so young that I don't think it's going
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to be It's just gonna be a blip in the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: raidar because I still think he's a good player, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I still think he will to make his way back
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: up and be a good major leaguer. But I think
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: it's just frustrating because he was already struggling a little bit.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: He was already going through where I was called up
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and I had this big title and I want to
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: be in the big leagues, and now I'm back down struggling,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and then I get hurt too, And like you see
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of the screen, where injuries just suck,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: they really do.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Everybody's injury is different. I get three guys at it,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: but Lindor's wasn't actually broken. He had an issue and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: they went in and just took it out. So his
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: healing is going to be different than Corbyn Carroll, who
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: may hold the bat a little bit different. They're all
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit different. But he's clearly in pain in
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: that video, and he was dealing with it for the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: last few weeks, but I think he was trying to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: play through it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And luckily for the Orioles, I mean, they're seeing
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: some success from some other players. First of all, Jeremiah
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Jackson looks ridiculous for them so far this year, in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the first month the site season, that's been a great find.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So you know, they've had some other players stepping up
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in Jackson's absence. But of course there's a guy who
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was at one point a number one overall prospect and baseball.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: He's still super super young. You just want to see
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: him on the field. And yeah, the hand issue for
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: him right now, you know, after leaving now twice during
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: games on his rehab assignment, is certainly a little bit concerning.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Where do we start. We have been talking a lot
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: of Mets lately, but this has gotten historic and I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: actually wearing this shirt for them today. Maybe this will
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: turn it around, or maybe Mets fans just need a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: hug the Mets up shirt. So I know our Mets
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Up hosts need a hug and maybe more.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: So.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, just in last night's game alone, the twelfth loss, Kip,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you have Nolan McClain rolling three to nothing lead for
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the team, and then you know, Ron Darling points out
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: how he felt as if he gave away a pitch
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that Byron Buxton ends up hitting over the wall. You
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: have Devin Williams imploding in the ninth inning and not
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: being able to throw strikes when needed. You have the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Twins admin rolling the team after the game talking about
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: things you can get in dozens, and there are many
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: more storylines, but let's start there, as it's not just losing.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It is like grind it in losing.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't like to make things easy over there,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: do they. But first let's tip the cap to the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Twins admin. That was a a plus chirp a plus
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: tweet of was it things you can get in a dozen?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Was it roses, eggs and Mets losses? Or yeah, that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that's good. I'm all right, that's good. Like we want
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: to talk about the whole Schlitler thing and like the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: social media is just the new era. By the way,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: just nailed his last name twice. This is part of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the game and it's fun and I like it. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that's again I said earlier that they are a good
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: team or could be a good team. It's because you
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: see their payroll and you see some of their big
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: names and on the team, and you're you're you're assuming
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that they should be good and it's just it's like
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: it's the Murphy's Lots, Like anything that can go wrong
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: will go wrong right now for them. So it's they
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: can't get out of their own way a little bit.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And it is a long season. But like I said,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you can't win the division in April and May, but
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you certainly can lose it. And they are they gotta
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: they gotta mix it up, You gotta try something different,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: like they're just it's like the same stuff over and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: over with them.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: No, I mean it feels like it. I mean, it
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: feels like it's since like May fifteenth, twentieth last year.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: But you said, you have to assume because they have
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a high payroll that they're gonna be good like And
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: you know what assuming does makes an ass out of
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: you and me. And right now they're making an ass
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: out of the fact that this roster is not playing
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: well together. Who constructed the roster one of the guys
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that I respect in the game. I feel what he
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: has done, what he did with the Brewers, right now,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: something is missing for it to be successful with the
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Mets and Mets Twitter hated the Twins about three weeks ago.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Last year, Mets Twitter hated me, so I feel you
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: with all that stuff, but really the ire of the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Mets fans needs to be on the players on the field.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And if you think Wan Soto going zero for two
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: tonight with two walks is going to be a bad night,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: because you're gonna boo him when he when he gets
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: out the second time, probably a rocket to the right fielder. Like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: that's not the answer. The answer is this team has
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: a roster issue that is not comfortable, and the story
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: hasn't changed. The story hasn't changed from last year when
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: we questioned the different signings that now they're not even
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you know, some of those guys aren't even playing. The
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: roster issue that the fact that they left a spot
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: open for Carson Bench who had that nice home run early.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: It's time to make a change with guys who aren't
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: doing well. The issue is most of the lineup's not
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: doing well. So are the Mets able to reverse course?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Not slowly change direction? They have to reverse course, they
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: have to go in a different direction. They're supposed to
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: be an athletic team, but you have guys and Kip
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you changed positions. I was fortunate I played one position
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: my whole career. You changed positions. To me, when so
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: many guys on the offensive side are changing positions, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: it's it leaks into your offense because I don't think
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: those guys are necessarily hurting them one hundred percent on defense,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: but it just leaks into your offense and guys are
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: just questioning. From Juan Soto being in left field, it
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: hasn't affected him. He was hurt, but he was a
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: right fielder for the last few years. Then you have
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Boba Shed at third base. Then you have Francisco Lindoor
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: learning a new third baseman, a new second baseman, Marcus Simeon,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I get it, gold Glover, but he's not hitting. So
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you have Mark Vientos who came up as a third baseman,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: even if for the last few years you've said, oh,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: we're going to transition him to first base. That's why
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: we're not resigning Pete. We're not giving Pete all that money.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: He's still learning a new position. And you have a
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: third baseman on your roster in Brent Bady, who's been
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: taking balls in right field because you're a right fielder.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Young prospect hasn't hit very well once he came up
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: to the big leagues and that's okay, that happens, but
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: they need to reverse course if they want to save
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: this season.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: They do it does so when you speak about leaking
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: into your hitting, it's because a lot of times when
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you're learning new position. When I'm speaking off of my
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: personal experience, I went from infield to out for like
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: twenty five games to finish off the season, you're your
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: pregame routine is thrown off because your pregame routine now
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: is spent taking extra reps at the new position to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: get you ready for the game. And you might have
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: normally been in the cage hitting during that time, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: so you're not trading on the offensive side. But at
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: some point, these guys are professionals, and they're good enough,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: they have big names, then they should be good enough
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to figure it out to at some point put the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: foot down and just be like, hey, it is what
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: it is. Let's go out with what we have to say,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and let's go win a damn ball game. I mean,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you have to play some winning baseball. You might not
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: be able to make every play. You can't. Guys have
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: won games with airs like I've Teams have won games
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: before with making a couple of airs. That's okay. It
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be the reason you lose the game. It doesn't help,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean you can't win the game because
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you have some people out of position who might not
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: have made a play that's normally made. What else are
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: you doing to win the ballgame? If you got to
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: play winning baseball? I mean, there is part of me
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: it's like playing in Cleveland all my years. Part of
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: me like seeing a big market with the biggest payroll
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: team not win just because I was like, okay, good,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: can't you can't just buy wins? See, it does take
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: winning baseball. So I do like that part. But at
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: some point, it's like, you want to see these guys
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: who are better than this that are just underperforming. But
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it's just because, like you said, they're not playing as
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a team and they're not playing winning baseball, clearly because
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they're not winning games, but it's are you when stuff's
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: going wrong? Are you taking care of the little things?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem like they are.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So Kratz, let me ask you about some of the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: little things. I think part of what gets so much
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: respect for the broadcast team for the Mets for years
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: is that they kind of relate to the fan that's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: watching the game. They're not going to sugarcoat as much
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: when it's bad. They're going to point out what's bad
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and make you sound smarter for saying how bad it looks.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: They're not just going to be like, oh, it's okay,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you know there's more minor league prospects coming whatever. Like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: when they stink, they crush them, and when they're great,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: they praise them. So let's go over two examples, go
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: whichever direction you want to go. Darling pointed to and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: at bat from Semion when it was two oh, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: it goes to the bigger discussion of them chasing pitches
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and saying, sometimes you got to just take the pitches
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: outside the zone, try not to be a hero. That
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: sounds like more of your classic line. The one I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: got about mclan I thought was fascinating. Mclan is certainly
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: not the problem. He's one of the only pluses right
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: now for the team. But he's gotten hit as he's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: gotten deeper into his outings. Okay, that happens with most
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: starters as you get to the third or fourth time
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: through in order. What did you think specifically about the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Buyron Buxton at bat. Did you feel like he went
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: inside and then apologize. Some people online were saying, no,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: he was saying that to the catcher. I'm like, why
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: would he Why would he say that to the catcher
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: who gives a shit?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Some people, oh no, just saying, oh, my bat on
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the pitch missing. I'm like, no, I look like he
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: told Buckston my bat. I'm not trying to buzz.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: You, Okay, I mean I'm going to assume that he
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: was saying that to Buxton. And my view as a catcher,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I don't Knowolan McClain from Adam, but my view as
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: a catcher was always if I had a pitcher that
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: would miss, you know, misfire a pitch, whether it was
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: at the guy or it was high and we were
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: trying to go low and he go, ah, show any
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: kind of emotion, I would be like, look, the hitter
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: has no idea what your intent was. I'm not saying
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you have to be a jerk. I'm not saying you
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: have to like stare at Byron Buckston and be like yeah,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm talking about. But I think Ron Darling
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: was spot on. But I also know that Noel mcclan
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: i don't know Nolan mclan that might not be his temperament.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: He might be totally fine, Like he's going back to
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: back or two outings this year. He hasn't given up.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: He's been perfect through five. So he's elite and dominant,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and maybe he doesn't need to have that like bulldog mentality.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make everybody into some type of
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: eighties and early nineties pitcher. Like Ron Darling said it
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: the way that I would have agreed that you don't
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: give You don't give the you don't give the hitter
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: any advantage. Ever, I don't care if it's the first
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: pitch of the game or it's your ninetieth pitch of
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: the game. You don't give him an advantage. And you
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: definitely don't be like, hey, I wasn't trying to hit
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: you right there. Maybe after you hit him you say
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: it like that's your personal personality, but in that moment,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you like as a hitter, you're like, Okay, that was
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: kind of uncomfortable seeing ninety seven up at my up
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: in my grill, but he said sorry, so I'm back
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm leaning out over the plate. I don't know
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: any hitters that are like, I'm actually better when I'm
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: pulling off the ball and thinking everything's in. No, like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: hitters are better when you can stay out over the plate,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: especially on Nolan McClain, who's going to throw that slider
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and I think he threw a cutter next pitch and
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you know it wasn't It didn't moving him back, didn't
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: do what you would think it would be based on
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: what happened on the next pitch that kind of stayed
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: flat on the outer half and Buxton clipped him.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna echo what Crash said on that a
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: little bit. Do not give the hitter anything. And if
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my bad, I miss the hitter has
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: no idea you missed. That could have been exactly what
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: you were trying to do. So I think that's I
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: didn't want any picture of like of mine that I'm
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: playing defense.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Mind.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, don't say you're sorry while they're still
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: in the box. Don't tell him you missed, because they
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: don't know if you came up and tight on them
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: and something and you walked them or they got a hit.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Once he got the first base, got the ball back,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh you hit them, You'd be like,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: oh my bad one. They're going down the line. If
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: they're still in that box, they're still doing everything they
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: can to get a hit off you. They don't know
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: you missed. Do not tell him that you missed, don't
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: tell him you're sorry. You are then not locked in.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It shows me that you're more worried about like the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: guy's feelings instead of getting him out. You don't have
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: to be a dick about it, but just your main
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: focus to be getting him out. So I think Ron
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Darling was spot on it. Actually I applauded that one.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I like that a lot.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron's really good, really smart at pointing things out
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: like that, Let's get to the bullpen. So it was
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: charged to McClean. But Brazabon lets up the tying run
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and then later on Devin Williams just completely unravels, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: then of course you have the uproar that he can't
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: handle New York City. John Harper, who covers the teams
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: on SNY all the time, said, Devin Williams looks exactly
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: like he did early last season in the Bronx, like
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the stage is too big for him. Upon signing him,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: David Stearns tried to say, if you looked at the numbers,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Williams was unlucky last year. If you watched, you knew
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it was more than that. Sokrats, I'm curious. I mean
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: he had I think it was five, yeah, five scoreless outings,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and now he's had three messy outings. Now the first
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: five outings. I mean I've watched every appearance for him.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe one was clean, Yeah, I'm seeing one that looks clean.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: The rest of them, you know, wawk hit whatever right,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: so that they're not clean. There's not many relievers who
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: do that right. It's not like you're watching Mason Miller
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: just one two, three strikeout, looking just dominate like that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: So that's okay, But then you run into a rut
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: at the same time as the team going through in
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: aally terrible time. This is the one part I will
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: give John Harper, you know, credit for, because I've seen
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: this too last year. At times you're looking at Devin
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Williams when he was struggling early in the season, You're like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: his stuff looks fine. So when his stuff looks okay,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: then it becomes more of a location question. Whether he's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: losing the zone or the command is a fastball laid
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: up over the center of the play. Whatever it is,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: That to me is when you do start to question
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: if there is a big city, big market pressure feeling.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: He admitted to that recently from last year. When you
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: say that it's great, we want to hear it from you,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: but that to me means that it might pop up
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: in your head again.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: See, I have a tough time when people talk about
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: the big market like, because I just don't. I don't.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I've seen New York when it's packed and you're playing
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the Red Sox down the stretch. I've seen New York
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: during COVID and there ain't nobody there. I didn't feel
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: any different pressure in those games, and I did with
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: tons of in the stands and zero fans in the
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: stands Like that's you, I know. And that's so that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: where I have a tough time. Yes, I remember what
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Devin Williams said that it got fast for him early,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that it was something he had adjust to. Maybe that's
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: just more of the like coming to him from the ballpark.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: It's tough to get to Yankee Stadium for a day
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: game through traffic, It's tough to find a place to
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: live like it's a do you want a guy to
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: settle in? Yes, I promise fans, if you keep booing
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Devin Williams, he's not going to become a better player.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: It might make you feel better, but he's not going
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: to become a better player. And if and if people say, well,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: every time I watch him, he's you know, he's always
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: walking a ton of guys. He's always running a tightrope.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I would say, that's what your memory is. And the
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: fact that he throws that bugs bunny change up that. Yes,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be his game relies on that chase. But
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: you look at his career and he's got just above
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: a one whip. So he's gonna let one runner on
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: because he only pitches one inning. So he's gonna get
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: one runner on, and he's going to to me. I
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: think one of his biggest issues is as a closer.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: You want your guy to be able to go two
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: days in a row. You want your guy to I
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: guess nobody goes three days in a row. But now
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: under this contract, I'm gonna need you too, because the
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Mets need all the wins they can. I think his
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: pitch efficiency, well, it may not show up in a
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: stat book like last night's outing where he didn't get
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: any outs, but his pitch efficiency just doesn't seem like
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: it's Even when I watched him with the Brewers, it
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, you're having a twenty six twenty
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: seven pitch outing. Now we can throw you tomorrow, but
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: no shot you can throw a third day. So I
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: think there's I think there's some of that that I
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: think gets in the way of fans of the Mets,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: gotten away of fans of the Brewers, gotten away of
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Yankee fans last year view of what Devin Williams is.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: But his whip is right there with a lot of
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: other guys. He's not Mayron Navera, and he's not Mason
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Miller from the first month of the year, Like, let's
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: pump your brakes, make sure you're comparing apples to apples.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Here, Okay, we'll see what happens. So you expect him
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: to rebound.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I expect him to be closer to his normal numbers.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: So that means he's about to get hot. I think
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Francisco Lindoor what like, he's about to get hot. I
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: think there's and it's a cop out because I'm never
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: gonna be the one that's gonna say, I definitely see
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: this dude having a terrible year. Devin Williams is gonna
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: become unless he's hurt, unless he's throwing through something, he
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: is going to figure it out. He's gonna have a
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: better season than obviously he's having right now. And Mets
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: fans will say, well, can't get any worse than last night. Ever,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: say that in baseball, you guys just burned like a
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: massive sage blunt out in front of the stadium on
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Nolan McLean day and it didn't work out for you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: So yes, it can totally get worse.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, because they burned it on the wrong day.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: You can't do that on four twenty one. You missed
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the opportunity there late.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: No, they did it right. They did it just like
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: every every manager has a meeting when the ace is going.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Nolan McClain was going. Now when Freddy pe goes, get
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: that big sage blunt out again and smoke it, send
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: it out, put it in the trees, burn grimace if
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you got to do something, because something's got to happen,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and something's got to happen yesterday, not quick yesterday.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard grimace tastes like chicken if you're grilling. No,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, do you got it? It's chaos.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: It is chaos right now. Let's slap at the end here.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: What's the do you remember the longest losing streak you've
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: been a part of. I don't know, So I'm just
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: asking if you have any of those epic you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: double digit ones.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: If I did, it would have been probably my first
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: year up where we like twenty eleven. I think we
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: probably lost to oh close to one hundred games, so
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming it was during that year. But once, once
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: we turned the corner, I don't think we ever got
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: too bad more than like six or seven Yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because you know, it just gets to a
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: point where it is like consuming that the storyline is,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: it's kind of wild and just like it gets crazy
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: when a team's winning thirteen fourteen in a row. I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: mean the same thing.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I've found that point too, where I've got my one
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: twenty plus where it's like you start to get it,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: starts getting these roles where you're like you start to
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: expect to win, and it's an amazing feeling. It's the
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: it's a peak of a team where you're like showing up,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Like even if you go down early, you're like, oh,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: we're going to come back. We know we are. We
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: always do it. That's what we do right now. And
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: it's the opposite when you're losing. You're like, even when
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: you get a lead, you're like you're waiting for the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: comeback from the other team, and it's just not a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: fun place to.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Be well, and every night kind of feels like almost
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: like playoff vibes in terms of pressure right now for
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the team. And yes, we wanted to make sure we
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: didn't sleep on how bad the Phillies have been to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and a few other stragglers. We did hit the Cubs
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: at the top. If you're just catching us now and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: want to hear about a team that's thriving, Kip good
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: stuff today and let's see we Oh, we didn't get
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: to Drew Gilbert. It sounded like he had some type
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: of Wi Fi issue, So he's already been rebooked. Don't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: worry if you were here for him. The Menace will
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: be with us on Friday. That show will have Ken
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Grayson Rodriguez. We've got Polar with us tomorrow.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Ross strippling on Friday and we'll see Kip sometime soon.
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