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CODY ASH: Touring with Jelly Roll, Playing with Eminem & This Drummer Life · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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  Podcast. My guest this week is Cody Ash.
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  He is a drummer that came up like yours truly in metal core
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  bands, in the heavy music scene, and now he plays for the
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  phenomenal sensation Jelly Roll moved into more of a country
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  gig. He still gets to let loose on
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  some of his metal chops. Unbelievable drama.
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  It's a great story. We basically just told his whole
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  life story, which ends in him joining Jelly Roll with a bunch
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  of little tangents that we went off on.
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  It was really interesting. Great chat.
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  He's a lovely, lovely guy. He's one of the people that just
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  randomly FaceTime you sat outside a club and we just sit
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  and talk for ages. So it's great to actually get
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  The code is downbeat. It's Kodi Ash on the Downbeat
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  podcast. Kodi Ash.
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  Craig, my boy. Only I had to do the clap.
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  But thank you Simon. You got 2 claps there to sync
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  up. Hello.
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  Hello dude, I'm so happy to fucking be here.
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  Finally it's Can I cuss on this? Yeah, of course you can.
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  Yes, you can't say the C word, but Americans don't like to
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  anyway. There's a is the next letter AU?
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  It is, yeah. Don't you say that a lot?
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  Yeah, I do, but I'm not allowed to say on here it gets
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  demonetised for hate speech against women.
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  Wow. And the crazy thing is, none of
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  my actual hate speech about women gets demonetised, Just
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  that word. Just that word, yeah, it's
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  crazy. There's not like a special thing
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  for people from the UK. No, there should be.
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  There should be. Do you know what as far as the
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  language really fucking funny is I spent like 10 minutes getting
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  you set up. Is this, how are you going to
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  talk? Are you comfortable and all this
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  shit? And then I start rolling.
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  You go, yeah, So what? So.
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  No, it's fine. It's fine.
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  Madison, does it look OK when he's grabbing the mic?
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  Am I in the third? Third.
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  You're in the third? Third, bro.
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  Oh, it's in the third quarter anyway.
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  Why was that so good? Why was that so good?
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  We can. We can come back without my
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  American accents getting better. It's really good.
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  Thanks bro, that was the spot. You sounded like you went to a
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  college. College football.
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  Dude, that's. How do you feel?
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  Like I'm fucking sweating? Is it just setting up the
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  podcast? Are you sweating?
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  No, I feel pretty good. It must have been me, yeah.
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  You've been working, though. You've been?
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  Yeah. I mean, you've been putting in
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  work. He's been these cameras.
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  Nice. I fucked up the camera twice.
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  You did, but we're here now. We've got it looks like he's
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  working. I imagine if everyone's still
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  here and it's it's running. Thanks for coming on the
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  podcast. Well, thank you for having me.
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  I'm so, so stoked to be here. You have no idea.
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  Madison's so stoked she had someone to smoke with before the
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  podcast. I do enjoy a good smoke I.
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  Can't do it. It's it's OK.
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  It took me a long time, to be honest.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  But I wanted to like, I stopped vaping and that's when I like.
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  Well, I've seen you here. Hold on, hold on.
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  I stopped vaping for two years and then I like that's when I
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  started smoking more weed and then I just started picking up
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  these little things back in February.
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  I. Can't do I just get anxious.
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  I just can't do. It I used to bro when I was in
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  Siler because they like in Siler, they smoked so much weed
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  and I like really didn't smoke back then and I would just like
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  take one hit and fall asleep and then like I would try to keep up
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  with them and I couldn't at that time.
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  And it was like one time I tried to and I like almost passed out
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  and I was like, dude, I was so anxious.
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  It was terrible. And they smoked for.
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  A second morning, that's me having like one hit.
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  Yeah, but then when I when I when I stopped vaping for like 2
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  years, then I started smoking a lot and now it's now I can like
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  wake up smoke and. You smoke before you play.
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  By the way, this is THCA, which is legal in the state of
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  Nashville. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You smoke before you play.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Before playing in an arena, you'll smoke.
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  Yeah. We.
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  I would fucking blow my brains. I'd be like there's fucking
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  20,000 people and Nope. Dude, the first time, the first
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  time I did it was in 2013. I was in Canada.
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  I was like 19 years old and I hated every second of it.
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  It was, I was filling in for this band called Beyond the
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  Shore, and it was, oh, I hated it.
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  And then, yeah, then there were times that we would all smoke
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  with Jelly, like when I first joined with him.
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  And like that, that kind of condition be into like being
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  more comfortable with it. Is it a prerequisite?
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  That no, no, no, no, no, not necessarily.
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  We were just like we were just all used to when we all used to
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  like hang out all the time back in like when I first joined in
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  like 2021 when it was like smaller, he would just be
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  smoking and we'd just all be kicking it and then he'd pass it
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  around and we'd just smoke and then get high before the set.
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  And then I just kind of conditioned into it.
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  Carried on. Yeah, You played Princeton Arena
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  high. You'll be high.
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  How high, though? How high have you?
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  Talked about. I mean probably smoke about 3
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  joints throughout the day beforehand and normally someone
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  has something lit up in the green room.
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  Do you know Benny that plays for Tsunami?
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  No, but I love I like Tsunami a lot.
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  Like I just. Like started listening to him.
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  You know, fucking ripping the drum in his Instagram.
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  Yeah. No, I haven't.
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  Seen Oh bro, he's the best. He's got machine gun Benny.
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  It's like he's just just EAD audio but he's fully ripping I.
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  Like that EAD audio though, it's sick.
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  And you can tell that someone's fucking real.
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  But like, I hung out with him. We were like friends online.
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  I helped him get a couple of endorsement type things and then
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  we hung out at Jara this year. Guy smokes all day.
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  I've never seen anything like it.
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  He like chain smokes joints, jeez, like all day and then
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  plays a set and he's like you know, I'm fine.
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  And then he's drinking on top of it.
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  I'm like fuck, you're a fucking legend.
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  I wish I was you. That sounds like my kind of guy
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  and we're trying to fucking. Sort it out.
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  Do you remember when we first met?
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  Back in 2017, Slam dunk fest. Oh, I absolutely remember dude.
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  Backstage. Yeah, some bit.
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  Were you playing for Silent? Yeah, yeah, dude, I don't know
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  if I ever told you I had anxiety about when I met you that day.
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  I dude, I thought I like, pissed you off, I thought.
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  People say this all the time. Well, and I like due to a point
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  where like I went to Kevin with knocked and when I when I saw
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  that you and him were really tight and I was like, yo, does
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  Craig fuck with me? I was like, I don't know if he
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  fucks with me and this is what I'm.
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  Saying every time I meet someone I'm like, was I really fucking
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  rude? No, no, no, I just, I caught
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  you. Like I think I caught you either
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  right as you were about to go on or like right when you were
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  coming off and I was like, bro, I was so green back then.
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  Like I was just so like I knew who you were.
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  So I love Stray and like those early records and shit.
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  Like I, you know, I listen to those and you know, I always
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  always admired you like as a drummer.
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  So like I met you that that time and I was like so green and
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  probably like really overly excited and I.
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  Don't I remember being a nice interaction?
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  It was a nice interaction. It was but I like I've overthink
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  everything and I was like bro, did I just like come off of him
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  like to whatever and then. We the opposite.
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  Yeah, and then we like didn't talk for a little bit.
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  And I was like, that's why I like just got in my head about.
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  I was like, damn, dude. I was like just crack the fuck
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  with me. And Kevin was like, no do.
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  The weed bro. And that's fucking weird.
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  And so then we, then me and you started chatting, got on that
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  FaceTime and I was like, oh, we're fucking boys.
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  Like off the roof. So I was, I was stoked because
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  I, I remember I didn't, I didn't take a bad, it wasn't a bad
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  interaction by any means, but I was like.
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  It could have been no 2017. I got divorced in 2019 for, you
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  know, life shocked. So maybe I was like.
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  Dude, I feel that. No, you weren't bro.
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  You, you, you were kind. I just like I I didn't.
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  I thought I was just overbearing at that time, you know what I'm
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  saying? So I didn't like and we had just
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  met. So I was like, dude, like you're
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  like, so sick and this drum fill and I was like.
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  I would, I guarantee you I would have loved it.
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  But like, I have a habit. I'm not even a habit.
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  Our people will later on be like, I don't think that guy
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  likes me. No, no, it was like I said it
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  was. I caught you pre show when you
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  were either warming up or I caught you post show when you
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  were like trying to come down. You know what I'm saying?
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  So it was like it was just like one of those weird times and it
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  wasn't like nothing there. Like I said, it wasn't a bad
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  interaction by any means, but I was just like man, I hope I
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  didn't like overstep like just meeting this dude for the first
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  time. The only time that anyone's ever
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  pissed me off from another band like Actually post show was I'm
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  not going to say who it is. Oh, you can.
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  Let's get it. No, because I like him.
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  In fact we had beef later on and then we squashed the beef.
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  So maybe actually anyway, I never told him it pissed me off,
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  but like he like helped me pack down my drums one day at a show,
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  which is really nice of him. Like did the whole fucking thing
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  like a drum tech real fucking as I said, these guys are fucking
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  legend. Got to the show next day, every
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  single stand packed down to like it's in the box saying and I had
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  to reset up my old drum kit but like it didn't piss me off that
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  much. Of course, no one can really
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  piss me off, but I think I've just got an energy which is like
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  grumpy old man. No, no, no, I've like I said,
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  I've, I was so new and like so green into like that whole world
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  and like I was still learning how to like I was still just
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  like a fan. Was that your first proper band?
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I was in a local
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  band in Kentucky and we toured and stuff, but it wasn't like I
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  booked our tours. So it was, it wasn't like
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  anything of we didn't get anywhere.
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  Where do you live now? I live down here in Gallatin, TN
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  but I grew up in Mount Washington, KY so that's like
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  how I know all the knock dudes and stuff.
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  So you didn't travel that far today?
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  No, no, no, I've travelled like 35 minutes.
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  I love it. Everyone's fucking here.
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  It's great. Did you hang out with Pack from
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  fucking Kevin Kane? Pacsun called Pacsun because he
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  worked at Pacsun when he joined. Not least.
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  Did you hang out with him yesterday?
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  No, I didn't get to. He was fucking Facetiming me all
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  night. Yeah, and I just didn't pick up.
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  Yeah, I don't bro. I forgot what I what I did
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  yesterday, but he called me. He called me at like 11:30 and I
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  was, I was in bed. So I had a, a meeting at BMI
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  this morning and no, no, no. And that.
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  Was a fucking face. Come on, you're.
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  Not no, no, it wasn't for me. It was for it was for the bands.
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  I managed sake, so it was for them.
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  But that was like really cool. But I had, I had an early,
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  sorry, I guess I couldn't have said I had an early meeting this
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  morning. No, I like the flakes.
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  I like the. Flakes and Kevin was like, yo
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  dude, you want to come kick? It he was drunk last night, was
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  he? Yeah.
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  Because he like I did a podcast last night with Aaron Gillespie
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  finished and he was like, he definitely wanted me to deliver
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  him a vape. He sent me a text and it was
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  like, I'm going to read the exchange on fucking on camera
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  right now. Check this out.
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  But he goes, hey, bro, insane question.
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  Can you get vapes delivered in Nashville?
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  And I said, where are you? And he said, I'm in a hotel
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  room, not very mobile. I don't know if he's injured
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  himself or he can't be asked to leave.
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  I was going to try and like DoorDash and don't know if
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  that's the thing. And I was like, what hotel?
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  If I'm close enough, I can do it for you.
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  And then he tells me a hotel and it's like fucking 15 miles away.
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  And he's like, I was like, why didn't you tell me you're here?
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  We could have done a podcast. He's like, I'm a little loose
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  right now. Could have been, could have been
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  fun. And then he proceeds to like
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  FaceTime me like 6 times while I was playing Marvel Rivals.
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  So I just didn't pick. Up, dude, I'm normally like
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  anytime I'm normally like if I'm home and not do anything I and I
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  don't have anything to do the next morning I'll I'll normally
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  get up and go out. But like, yeah, I had that
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  meeting. So he called me at like 11:30.
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  He was like, hey, I'm in Nashville and I was like, how
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  long you been here? He's like, oh, we had like a
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  rehearsal today. I was like, dude, why didn't you
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  tell me He's. Tell me.
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  He was like, man, he was like, I completely forgot.
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  Just like that I was here and. Like, well, I was here.
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  He's like, I forgot I was here. And then he was like, then I was
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  thinking, man who lives here? And I was like, dude, you know,
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  I live like everyone. Like, you know, I've been living
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  here. And he was like, no, I know, I
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  know. He's like, come have a drink.
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  And I was like, bro, you know, every other time I would I was
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  like, but I actually have to go to.
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  Sleep give me 24 hours notice, like maybe even give me 12
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  hours. Notice I don't mind the last
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  minute notice that's like that's fine with me, but like, but
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  normally any other time if I don't have something to do the
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  next day. But dude, I'm so fucking stoked
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  to be Doug. You have no idea.
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  Why are you so stoked? Bro, because this you don't
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  understand what you're doing for the drum community like you, I
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  don't maybe you do, but I don't know if you see it from my
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  perspective because this is so sick like and also like I said,
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  well, I've I'm we're friends yeah, but I'm I'm a fan too.
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  I. Appreciate that.
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  I mean, I barely have drummers on anymore, so thanks for coming
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  on. Yeah, because when leaving the
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  Patreon. And also just trying to fucking
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  love and respect the hell out of you, so same.
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  Well, you got a good story as well, so it's like, and let's
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  start there, Yeah, let's go straight into the podcast.
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  Everyone's like these motherfuckers just been sucking
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  each other's Dicks. Yeah, we're friends.
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  So Siler, yeah, How are we using Siler?
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  Man, I joined Siler, I think I was 23.
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  And how long did you stay in that?
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  I mean 4 touring years but we tried to do stuff during COVID
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  but it's like didn't happen so I I don't really count.
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  So it like fell off during COVID.
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  Yeah, it was like it was kind of falling off.
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  We did this Europe run with Attila and Villa Maya and or it
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  dude, it was it was just really, it was a really bad time.
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  And I and I can only imagine like what those guys were going
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  through too, because we'd like, you know, Sylar had been around
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  for a a minute at that point. And you know, I came in in 2016
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  and and things were we like there was like a high from the,
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  you know, the assume record, the help record doing so good and
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  like assume and soul addiction doing well.
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  And we had like really cool tours.
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  We were doing warp tour and finally going overseas and stuff
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  And and then we went and did the seasons album.
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  And I don't I just don't think that it was like, I think the
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  record is phenomenal. I just don't think that it was
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  what the fans were kind of like wanting or anticipating.
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  And I don't think that hopeless really knew what to do with it.
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  And they also also there's, you know, just some other business
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  stuff, internal stuff for like shit.
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  Well, with the band, well, with more so like with the label
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  where they like, dude, I mean that the record was sitting at
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  like top top 20 or something like that.
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  And like they were topped. Yeah, Hard Rock.
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  Yeah, Hard Rock and. Still fucking good.
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  Yeah, still. It was still sick, but it was.
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  But it was like on a media base, like number sitting like #34 or
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  something. And like they just stopped.
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  They just stopped. It was like this thing was
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  turning and they just stopped like.
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  Wait, the band just stopped? No, no, no lately.
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  Like they stopped putting money into the so you know what I'm
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  saying? To like, get it up to #1 to
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  where it would like. That would have kind of done
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  something, but. What year is this?
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  This is 2018, Yeah. And then but it was cool 'cause
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  like it started off start, it start off good.
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  We had, we got like the All or Nothing song on Monday Night
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  Football and everything was cool.
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  But it's just the album just ended up not really doing well
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  and there was like a Co headliner tour that we're
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  supposed to do that fell through that kind of ruined the first
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  headliner and. And then all of this building
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  out to coy made was just. Yeah.
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  And we go over to Europe and like right before we went to
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  Europe, like the label decided not to pick up the second
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  option. And then like, it just, it was,
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  it just wasn't high spirits going into Europe, Europe.
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  Was with a teller and Vale. Vale and on top of that.
• 16:34
  So already low spirits. Then you got a tour with a
• 16:36
  teller. I love the util voice though.
• 16:39
  Man, you're. Not a fan.
• 16:40
  I don't know of any of them. Oh yeah.
• 16:42
  But I in fact, actually, I've hung out with one of them.
• 16:44
  Like maybe the guitarist or somebody who's a really nice
• 16:46
  guy. Yeah.
• 16:46
  Yeah, I'll tell you, bro, those are like the most out of my
• 16:50
  whole touring career. Those are the dudes that have
• 16:52
  kept in contact with me. Those have been the real, like
• 16:54
  the real dudes. And I've always like help, even
• 16:56
  like help me and. Shift double down.
• 16:58
  I'm only fucking with you. Oh.
• 16:59
  No, no, no, I know. I'm just saying like they get
• 17:00
  they, not that you thought this by any means, but they do have
• 17:03
  a, you know, they'd have a bad rap, but they've been.
• 17:06
  I think it's the lyrics anyway. Moving on.
• 17:10
  Oh yeah, no. No, so, so, so sorry.
• 17:12
  We, we go, we go to this Europe tour and spirits are already
• 17:15
  kind of down. And then there was just like,
• 17:18
  you know, Attila and Vella Maya, we're both going through things
• 17:20
  internally as well. And then like we were all
• 17:23
  sharing a bus where all the bands were just like going
• 17:25
  through something. And then like, I don't know,
• 17:28
  it's I, I can't handle like negativity really well.
• 17:31
  So I kind of like reclused on that tour and it was just like I
• 17:34
  went to stage and as soon as I got off stage and showered, I'd
• 17:36
  like go to my bed or like I'd go explore the town kind of.
• 17:38
  So did you quit? I didn't quit like really
• 17:41
  officially I never we actually we like never really clear, just
• 17:44
  kind of like faded. I feel like we played a fest
• 17:47
  with Sila, like I want to say 20, 19 and you didn't play it.
• 17:54
  No, I was there 2019. Why didn't I see you there?
• 17:57
  Yeah, there was no, no point that you weren't in the band
• 18:00
  around that time. Yeah, I I did everything with
• 18:03
  them from 2016 to 2020. It was Nova Rock.
• 18:07
  I remember it. It was, it was a little outdoor
• 18:10
  stage and it was you guys played touché played on our little
• 18:15
  stage. Oh, I don't.
• 18:17
  I might be making this up. I don't remember.
• 18:20
  This Madison, can you Google look at that strawberry dream?
• 18:25
  Can that match in you that match up?
• 18:28
  Oh damn. Just look into that camera and
• 18:30
  say drink Monster Energy. Drink Monster Energy.
• 18:34
  Look at that matches the hat matches there, you're the whole
• 18:37
  guy. Look at that drinks.
• 18:39
  Is anything coming up or am I talking shit?
• 18:40
  What? Was the last word that you
• 18:42
  wanted. Me Nova rock.
• 18:43
  Sorry, Nova rock rock. Like the genre and what we're
• 18:48
  doing? Dude, I can't get over your
• 18:50
  American accent. Rock Nova Rock Nova Rock Nova
• 18:54
  Rock Festival. Dude, you sound like an American
• 18:58
  radio personnel. It's fucking serious.
• 19:00
  I'm fucking coming for you, Sirius FM.
• 19:03
  Oh my God, it's, Oh my God. Siler on Sirius Octane.
• 19:10
  I want that fucking job. Yeah, now that's you I'm telling
• 19:14
  Job. That's you bro, that's you all
• 19:15
  day. He's.
• 19:16
  The guy let me steal that. Job You're going to be the Rock
• 19:17
  Channel out of Nashville, You're going to be the new Rock.
• 19:20
  You know what I'd love to? You can.
• 19:22
  I'd have to enjoy music more than I do, but I'll pretend.
• 19:26
  I'll fucking pretend. I'll sneak in some black metal
• 19:29
  on there. Is there anything coming up or
• 19:30
  am IA Fucking idiot? I'm an idiot.
• 19:32
  The fuck me. It's not you, it's me.
• 19:33
  No, it's not darling. It's not you.
• 19:35
  It's. Were we on work?
• 19:36
  We weren't on work tour together.
• 19:37
  No, I never did. I'm doing my first warp tour
• 19:39
  next week. By warp tour, I mean warp day,
• 19:42
  yeah. You never did work tour.
• 19:44
  I joined they the last one they did was 2015.
• 19:46
  I joined November 2015. So they they fucking missed it
• 19:50
  out anyway. So how did Jelly Roll happen?
• 19:53
  Yeah, yeah. So about like 2018, I kind of
• 19:55
  start noticing, like I kind of start having this epiphany.
• 19:59
  I think I'm like 27 at the time and I'm like dude, I'm not
• 20:02
  making. Any you even do it.
• 20:04
  It was like, I'm not making money.
• 20:07
  I am working for jobs like just so I can like have food on tour
• 20:13
  and like be able to like live and experience things.
• 20:15
  And, and so I was just kind of having this like I don't know
• 20:18
  what to do. Like how do I make money from?
• 20:20
  Doing spending too much money on tour.
• 20:23
  No, no. It was just like I I worked a
• 20:25
  bartending job and I worked security and it was like, then I
• 20:28
  would go on tour and Siler wouldn't make money.
• 20:30
  Yeah, that's what I mean, so. It was like I would like I would
• 20:32
  use the meals that I'd make or I'd use the money I make at home
• 20:36
  for like meals on the road. Because, you know, we only.
• 20:38
  Get like 5 to $10 buyouts. It was like I was working to pay
• 20:41
  to go on the road. People don't realize that is
• 20:43
  like the reality until we used to have 1000 tickets.
• 20:46
  Yeah. And so it was like, you know,
• 20:49
  did that just for 10 years, basically my from touring with
• 20:53
  local bands all the way into Siler in 2018.
• 20:56
  I just kind of hit that revelation of like, I got to, I
• 20:58
  have to figure something out. Like I, I can't do this all the
• 21:02
  way into my 30s, like and not make money.
• 21:04
  Like I, I want to have a house. I want to, or, you know, at
• 21:07
  least be able to rent a house, you know, something, you know,
• 21:09
  where I can do on my own and shit.
• 21:10
  And so I started like listening to like a lot more country music
• 21:14
  and I remembered that like country music was getting like a
• 21:17
  little bit heavy. And I was like, damn, I need to
• 21:19
  like dive into this and really like see what's happening down
• 21:22
  in Nashville because it was only like a 2 hour drive for me, 2
• 21:24
  1/2 hour drive and from my hometown.
• 21:26
  And so I then noticed that a bunch of country drummers for
• 21:32
  like big artists were like already following me.
• 21:35
  And I was like, oh, that's cool. So then I like followed them all
• 21:38
  back and I was like, yo, I'd sorry, I didn't see you follow.
• 21:41
  I was like, it's I love what you're doing.
• 21:43
  Like would love to get lunch or something.
• 21:44
  And so Jake Summers from Luke Combs, Miles, Yeah, dude, these
• 21:50
  are all. Good motherfuckers following me.
• 21:53
  I need a. Job.
• 21:53
  You should bro. I'll tell you one that probably
• 21:55
  does right now. Milestone.
• 21:57
  Miles. Milestone, I think his.
• 21:59
  Stone. On his Instagram I found his
• 22:02
  Instagram. He plays drums for Cody Johnson,
• 22:03
  who's my favorite country artist.
• 22:05
  You say all these names and I mean nothing to me.
• 22:07
  That's OK. No, like it annoys me.
• 22:10
  That means nothing to me. I.
• 22:12
  Don't have service. What's Milestone MD's drums?
• 22:17
  Yes, yes. Follow back.
• 22:19
  Yeah, that's the. Boom, who else we got?
• 22:22
  Got Jake Summers. Already following him drama for
• 22:25
  Luke Combs. I know Luke Combs is 7.3 million
• 22:29
  followers. Of course I do.
• 22:30
  I'm already following Emmys already, Mark.
• 22:32
  OK. Mark Taco drums.
• 22:35
  Mark Taco drums. I would say Taco Mark.
• 22:39
  Let's do that even when he. Goes by Taco.
• 22:43
  He doesn't follow me. Drama special MD for Morgan
• 22:46
  Wallin. Yeah, that's a you know what I
• 22:47
  never do? Ready for this?
• 22:51
  That's a big one. That's a good one, Mark.
• 22:52
  Without a follow back. See how that goes.
• 22:55
  We'll see if that comes through. Stay tuned on the part to see if
• 22:59
  I'm. Going to do this, I'm going to
• 23:00
  do this last one. I'm going to punch you with one
• 23:02
  last one. You got to.
• 23:02
  Follow this guy. Who's this?
• 23:03
  He used to play drums for Ernest, but he wrote like
• 23:06
  Broadway Girls and all this stuff.
• 23:07
  He's the hands down the the nastiest country drummer.
• 23:10
  Grady Block, nastiest drummer. Is that his real name?
• 23:14
  Yeah, Keep all these in because I want people to follow these
• 23:17
  people. Dirty 615, that's where we are.
• 23:21
  Brother, he's see how I can do that.
• 23:23
  That dude make. I've never seen a that a guy
• 23:27
  like I've never seen someone make a drum set just so musical.
• 23:31
  Like for country. He's, he's one of my favorite
• 23:33
  drummers out of Nashville, like one of my favorite country
• 23:35
  drummers. Sick, OK, right.
• 23:37
  So, so you basically just took the initiative to start
• 23:40
  following all these guys because they followed you already.
• 23:43
  Yeah, So I, like, followed them and just was like, yo, let's get
• 23:46
  lunch, Like, let's hang out, whatever.
• 23:47
  So I ended up like coming down here and hanging out with Jake
• 23:50
  Summers. And there was a drummer named
• 23:52
  Kenny Dixon who used to play for Kane Brown and.
• 23:56
  On out of that one. He Kenny sadly passed away but
• 24:00
  fuck yeah. I think it was in like 2019, but
• 24:04
  he actually was like, I see he was one of the ones that I
• 24:07
  noticed followed me and he, I like started hanging out with
• 24:10
  him and he actually was one of the first ones to bring me like
• 24:13
  backstage to like a country show where I like.
• 24:15
  That's when I saw like Rich Redmond who plays for Jason
• 24:17
  Aldean and like, you know, just like had my first like
• 24:21
  interaction in that world. And so I just started coming to
• 24:24
  Nashville all the time, and that's when I started managing
• 24:27
  one of the bands that I have called Devil's Cut, and I had
• 24:30
  one. What are the What are the
• 24:31
  devil's cuts sound like? They're like country metal.
• 24:34
  Yeah. So like.
• 24:35
  Big thing right now, isn't it? Yeah, well, they they were doing
• 24:38
  it back in like 2019, like they were coming out when like
• 24:41
  before, Hardy was putting breakdowns in his stuff too.
• 24:43
  So it's like them and Lakeview were kind of coming up at the
• 24:45
  same time, but. Lakeview is the one that I Yeah.
• 24:47
  Yeah, Lakeview kind of is in the more country route and Devil's
• 24:51
  Cuts kind of more in like the metal core cool, but with
• 24:53
  country accents over it. I like some of that, like I'll
• 24:56
  check them out, 'cause I like some of that Lakeview shit.
• 24:58
  I'm like, that's kind of sick, yeah.
• 25:00
  Yeah, they it's pretty cool. They got some cool riffs.
• 25:02
  But so the producer they were working with ended up getting
• 25:06
  hired out of Jelly Rolls Studio. I don't know how that happened,
• 25:09
  that he was down here one night and they met her and, you know,
• 25:12
  he moved him down here, so he started working out of his
• 25:15
  studio. So we started coming to
• 25:16
  Nashville to record and then through that just met a lot of
• 25:18
  other people and started putting them in rooms like, which is
• 25:22
  like country writers and just anybody else that we would kind
• 25:25
  of meet down here that was in the country world.
• 25:26
  So taking rock and metal songs to country and so I was in Jelly
• 25:30
  Studio all the time. And then through that I just
• 25:33
  started coming down here on my own outside of coming down here
• 25:36
  to write with them. And just they started letting me
• 25:39
  like sleep at the studio and I like became friends with like
• 25:42
  his managers and security. Not even like meaning to.
• 25:45
  They were just like, they just just put me up.
• 25:47
  And weed. They just put me up and knew
• 25:50
  that, you know, knew they could trust me and whatever.
• 25:52
  And then I guess some of them had seen my drum videos just
• 25:55
  from like Andrew Bayless talking about it and who was sorry, who
• 26:01
  was the producer that Devil's Cup was working with?
• 26:02
  And I actually was the second call.
• 26:05
  So what I was like. You know who the first was?
• 26:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This dude named Jay Ham, he, he
• 26:11
  plays. Does he know?
• 26:12
  Yeah, yeah, we're we're boys. We're boys.
• 26:14
  He apparently he just wasn't wanting the tour to I guess the
• 26:19
  extent that Jelly was wanting to or something is that that's how
• 26:23
  I understand it at least. That's it, you know, but and
• 26:27
  then I got the second call and I just drove to Nashville
• 26:30
  immediately. I was like at work at the vape
• 26:32
  shop and fucking locked. I called my buddy, locked the
• 26:35
  door and I was like, Yo, I need you to cover the store.
• 26:37
  And I went and packed drums and went down here and then learned.
• 26:40
  Did you? Did you?
• 26:40
  Learn a song or did you? Yeah.
• 26:43
  I got handed 18 songs that we might play on the drive down to
• 26:47
  rehearsal. That worries me.
• 26:50
  So I hear that a lot about these country gigs.
• 26:53
  It's like you might play one of these.
• 26:54
  It's like, I'm sorry, what? I don't think I've ever learned
• 26:56
  18 fucking songs in my life. So so got got the 18 songs that
• 27:02
  we might learn, made a playlist. Just listen to him on the drive
• 27:05
  down here thinking I'm going into rehearsal to go into these
• 27:08
  songs because we have a show in two days and I get down here and
• 27:11
  they're like, oh, we're not going to rehearse.
• 27:12
  Jelly wants to go to a steakhouse.
• 27:15
  I mean fucking sick. So respect.
• 27:18
  So we go, we fuck off rehearsal. Wait, you have the gig bodies
• 27:23
  point? But now this is this is the this
• 27:25
  is my first introduction to Jelly.
• 27:27
  But then you said you have a show in two days.
• 27:29
  Yeah. So you're they've hired you for
• 27:31
  this show? Yeah, they hired me like.
• 27:33
  Based on for the shows on Instagram.
• 27:35
  Yeah, based, yeah, based on. And they're people like he had
• 27:38
  like eight people coming to him be like, yo, get this kid, get
• 27:40
  this kid, get this just because I was like around his camp.
• 27:43
  And so then I'm like, yo, we got to like rehearse, man.
• 27:46
  I just got handed 18. So it was crazy.
• 27:49
  We ended up going to the steakhouse and I'd like never
• 27:52
  had they. We went to Jeff Ruby's and I'd
• 27:54
  never had a spotlight. I couldn't afford a place like
• 27:57
  that. And then like so I'd never
• 27:58
  experienced valet or like done any shit.
• 28:00
  Like how big is Jenny Roll at this point?
• 28:02
  At this point, he was Save Me had come out and he hadn't
• 28:06
  played a show since Save Me had came out.
• 28:08
  So they didn't. There wasn't really a scale of
• 28:11
  what was like about to happen. Yeah, but his shows before that
• 28:14
  were anywhere between like 700 to 1500 cap rooms.
• 28:17
  So he's like on the up. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:19
  And then Save Me came out during COVID and that's when it like,
• 28:22
  exploded. But so then we go to Jeff
• 28:26
  Ruby's. I'm sitting next to Jelly.
• 28:28
  He noticed that I'm like nervous because I'm like tripping out
• 28:30
  over 18 songs, of course, because it's my first time ever
• 28:33
  having to do that. And he's like, man, you just
• 28:37
  need to take some shots. I was just about to say you're
• 28:39
  about to tell me he did what I would do in this situation.
• 28:43
  So we started taking shots and then it ended up just turning to
• 28:46
  a party night and then it's 4:00 AM when we get a text that says
• 28:49
  rehearsals at 9:00 in the morning.
• 28:51
  And I was like, sick, I'm going to be hungover as shit.
• 28:55
  And then end up making it there at 9:00.
• 28:57
  No one else made it there till 11.
• 28:59
  And so I sat in there and like window.
• 29:01
  That's a good luck. It was a good look.
• 29:03
  So I I walked in, had the drum set up and I started like
• 29:05
  playing through the stuff and I was like dude, I feel sick.
• 29:07
  So I like went and laid down. Then everybody else showed up.
• 29:10
  We rehearsed for like 5 hours and did not have it like
• 29:16
  perfect, but we had it well enough to where like Casey the
• 29:20
  the guitar player was like what you know, I'll just like nod
• 29:22
  when you need to like stop. He's like just, you know, be
• 29:24
  behind the groove, like make sure whatever.
• 29:25
  And I was like, all right, cool. He's like, I know this is like a
• 29:27
  lot to intake. And and then because they they
• 29:30
  had had they had been starting rehearsals throughout that week,
• 29:33
  but like they, it was only Jelly Casey and his brother, but they
• 29:38
  were going to play this like big outdoor festival and had their
• 29:42
  management was like, yo, you need another guitar player.
• 29:44
  And then like the drummer showed up and.
• 29:46
  Oh, they had a different drummer.
• 29:47
  Yeah, yeah. They had a drummer that was with
• 29:49
  them, but when he showed up, apparently there was still like,
• 29:52
  cobwebs on the kit and he didn't remember the material.
• 29:56
  They ended up having to let him go and then they flew Jack in
• 30:01
  that day, the day that the drummer.
• 30:04
  Was Jack the other guitar? Yeah, the other guitarist, yeah,
• 30:06
  which he was in Sleeping With Sirens.
• 30:09
  Oh, OK. Hey, I know the guy.
• 30:10
  Yeah, so he he know he comes from that world too, but or the
• 30:14
  Warp tour world. But yeah.
• 30:16
  So they flew him in that day because Jack had wrote on some
• 30:19
  Jelly Records when Jack lived here.
• 30:21
  And then the day that Jack got there was the night that I got
• 30:24
  the call. And then the next morning I got
• 30:26
  the official call and then drove down.
• 30:27
  And then we had the first rehearsal as a band, as me, Jack
• 30:30
  and Casey on Friday afternoon for like 4 or five hours and.
• 30:35
  Then when's the show? Saturday.
• 30:36
  Saturday and so after that rehearsal, we they packed up the
• 30:39
  trailer and it was my first time on a bus, so that was like
• 30:43
  really cool and. Really.
• 30:44
  You hadn't done a bus before? Not not my only criteria for
• 30:47
  doing a new because obviously I'm that in the band now.
• 30:50
  I'm like, all I give a fuck about is literally everything
• 30:53
  you just touched on when you were just like, fuck, I need to
• 30:55
  make this work. It's like, I just want to be
• 30:57
  paid like, like a job. Yeah, I want to be paid like a
• 31:01
  job. I want to fucking sleep in like
• 31:04
  non human rights violating scenario, like a bus.
• 31:08
  That's it. That's all they fucking want.
• 31:10
  I could do that for the rest of my fucking life.
• 31:11
  That's the last straight tour that we just did.
• 31:14
  We had like a baller bus because we we started it on one of those
• 31:18
  little mini sleeper things and we're splitting up anyway.
• 31:20
  About four days in, everyone individually had come to me and
• 31:23
  gone. I think I'm going to go home.
• 31:25
  And then I was like, I think I'm going to go home.
• 31:27
  And then we had a chat and we were like, should we just make
• 31:28
  less money and get a bus? We've got this sick fucking bus.
• 31:31
  Hell yeah. And then I was like, I could not
• 31:34
  split up. If we were just doing this for
• 31:36
  the last fucking four years, I could just not split up.
• 31:40
  That's all. I fucking need dream.
• 31:42
  Damn, I had. I didn't know you had split up.
• 31:46
  You did not. I didn't know that.
• 31:47
  Yeah, we're splitting up. Oh.
• 31:48
  That breaks my heart, yeah. Damn, yeah, good for me.
• 31:50
  Now I need a gig, bro. Let's go to lunch.
• 31:52
  All right, yeah, we're going to lunch, dude, I'm telling you,
• 31:55
  I'm. I'm keeping ears to the fucking
• 31:56
  floor because. That's my dream.
• 31:58
  All I want I want to play it in. This is specifically like you in
• 32:01
  my we're going to carry on about that that show in a minute, but
• 32:05
  like what you have specifically not them coming for.
• 32:08
  You. No, no, I know like.
• 32:09
  Is dream gig for me. It's like someone else's songs.
• 32:14
  There are sections where you get to let loose, but for the most
• 32:19
  part like you're not designing other than the fucking pork chop
• 32:22
  shit, which we'll get to. You're not like designing Jerry
• 32:24
  rolls merch. No, you're not like Stray is
• 32:27
  like, what tour are we doing next?
• 32:29
  Who are the supports on it? What's the merch, bread, all of
• 32:32
  this shit plus not enough money, and then it's just like dream
• 32:37
  dream gig. Let.
• 32:39
  Me play the fucking drums. When I started to play the
• 32:41
  drums, that's what I thought the job was going to be just play
• 32:43
  the fucking drums right right, right.
• 32:45
  Just want to sleep, want to play the drums, ideally with someone
• 32:48
  who will say something like, we've got a rehearsal tomorrow,
• 32:51
  you should do fucking four shots.
• 32:53
  And I got to absolutely fucking lutely I should.
• 32:55
  That's my dream. Fucking yeah you got it bro.
• 32:57
  I can't believe that. That's crazy to me because
• 32:59
  normally, like, I feel like bands pray for a drummer that
• 33:03
  wants to just like sit back and chill and not have to do
• 33:07
  anything because that's like what normally a lot of drummers.
• 33:10
  Before I joined, Tom was doing it all.
• 33:12
  And then I try. I mean, obviously Dragon Neck
• 33:14
  does all the fucking music videos, so it's like not, you
• 33:17
  know, he has no capacity left. You know he does chip in, but
• 33:20
  it's like he's doing enough fucking.
• 33:22
  Of course. But like when I joined and Tom
• 33:24
  was like this, this lessons the load and then the downbeat stuff
• 33:28
  popped off. You complimented this T-shirt
• 33:29
  earlier. Yeah, that T-shirts.
• 33:31
  Obviously why are we then not? Thank you mate.
• 33:33
  Obviously, why are we then not going to use me to do some merch
• 33:35
  designs, but then it's like it becomes like now I'm doing far
• 33:40
  more for the same amount of money.
• 33:43
  And it's not that I'm being paid badly by the band, it's the band
• 33:45
  doesn't make enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:47
  My dream. Put me on a fucking bus with
• 33:50
  some boys and let me just play the fucking drums.
• 33:52
  That's coming. That is money.
• 33:54
  That's the thing bro. I mean, dude, I, I didn't even
• 33:57
  like I said dude, I I so, well, I guess I can say it after I
• 34:00
  finish that story because it will just transition into it.
• 34:03
  But yeah, so then we got on the bus and went to this Mud Park
• 34:07
  show and I was. Going to say what was the?
• 34:08
  Show yeah so we like pull up in this first show I play with him
• 34:11
  is this fucking mud park bro never had I'm.
• 34:13
  From England. What the fuck is a mud?
• 34:15
  Dude, imagine every imagine rednecks with fucking money like
• 34:19
  rich motherfucking rednecks that have big ass truck like we're
• 34:23
  talking jackdaw trucks, razors, 4 by fours, 4 Wheelers, dirt
• 34:27
  bikes, everything in this massive mud park.
• 34:30
  And then we got. Like wait I still don't want a
• 34:31
  mud park. A mud park is like this.
• 34:33
  Made a mud huge. Huge, huge field with trails to
• 34:35
  take your razors and. And I bought some razor.
• 34:37
  Bro razors like a like this. I'll never get in that country.
• 34:40
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 34:41
  They're fucking. You don't know, you don't have
• 34:43
  to. It's like a it's like just like
• 34:44
  a little vehicle with like 4, it's like 4 tires, just like
• 34:48
  this little vehicle that has two.
• 34:50
  It can have two seats, it can have four seats, a golf cart.
• 34:53
  Yeah, but it's enclosed and it goes really fast, see.
• 34:56
  And so you can RIP it through the woods and dude, it's
• 34:58
  awesome. They have like this really long,
• 35:00
  like 20 to 30 foot 20 to 40 foot long.
• 35:03
  Like now that maybe I'm just kidding.
• 35:06
  That was so stupid. It's like a 40 yard long, like a
• 35:11
  40 yard long mud pit. Big difference. 40 yard long mud
• 35:14
  pit. And it just, you just see these
• 35:16
  like 4 Wheelers sitting 15 feet in the air just going through
• 35:20
  this mud pit getting stuck. And then like everybody, dude,
• 35:23
  it's so in. My head Did you ever watch by
• 35:26
  Come Ice from Mars? The cartoon?
• 35:29
  No. Hold on.
• 35:29
  Madison, do you know what by come ice from Mars?
• 35:31
  They don't. No one knows what this cartoon
• 35:33
  is. Oh, it's basically a bunch of
• 35:36
  biker mice from Mars. They biker mice biker mice from
• 35:40
  Mars. But anyway, I feel like they
• 35:42
  hung out in mud parks quite a lot.
• 35:44
  That's not a biker mice. Look at the size of the wheels
• 35:46
  on that. And we're stuck.
• 35:48
  Wait, is that the show? Yeah, this was this was before
• 35:51
  the show. OK, hang on.
• 35:53
  Whoa, whoa, whoa. OK, so you got stuck on the way
• 35:55
  to the show. No, no, no, no.
• 35:56
  We're we're at the show. But we went off on the trails.
• 35:59
  OK. So it's like all part of when
• 36:00
  they have like a stage set up and then they like then that's
• 36:04
  where like the concert is. And then they'll have like, like
• 36:06
  multiple different trails and big old like mud pits for people
• 36:10
  to go through and you can get out.
• 36:11
  You went. And get it.
• 36:12
  And then you got. Started hell yeah I was going
• 36:14
  button yeah the people that we got people we were with got
• 36:16
  stuck and so we. How long before the show did you
• 36:18
  get stuck? Send me out photos so I can have
• 36:20
  it overlaid. Can you send me that videos?
• 36:23
  That's OK. That.
• 36:24
  No, you've set the scene. Oh yeah, the first show.
• 36:27
  You know this. Yeah, just because I like,
• 36:30
  didn't know the songs. Fuck.
• 36:31
  I'm trying to find this other photo from like this first gig.
• 36:35
  Look at this truck. OK, it's a monster truck.
• 36:40
  Yeah, it's like monster trucks and like.
• 36:42
  Is that the wrong word, monster? No, no, no, I mean, that's
• 36:44
  that's a monster truck. Yes, but the other one I showed
• 36:47
  you wasn't they just had their, they just had like big 40s on
• 36:49
  it. Oh, I know a monster truck.
• 36:52
  Monster trucks from Mars. Anyway, I was just showing the
• 36:55
  river. That was it.
• 36:56
  Stop. Going for Yeah, No, the story's
• 36:58
  not done. Oh, yeah, no.
• 36:59
  So. So no, no.
• 37:00
  So yeah, we like my bad. Yeah, I was just.
• 37:03
  I was obsessed with showing you the mud park Dude we have to
• 37:05
  take. Me, all the photos and I'll have
• 37:07
  them, they'll be overlaid while we told the story, so the show's
• 37:11
  that night. So shows, yes, shows that night
• 37:14
  and man, I'm I mean, I'm just nervous because it's like, I
• 37:18
  don't want to fuck up this dude's set.
• 37:19
  And also in my head like, yeah, headlining.
• 37:22
  And also this is like my introduction in Nashville.
• 37:25
  And I'm like, you know, I want to keep this gig and not knowing
• 37:28
  what it was going to turn into. I was just like, this is going
• 37:30
  to be he this guy's from here. He knows whatever.
• 37:32
  And and we step out and there's 7000 people out there.
• 37:37
  And I was like, that was the biggest show I'd ever played.
• 37:40
  Like before that they even we Siler played Rock on the range
• 37:44
  and I think our crowd was 5000. So it was like I'd never had I'd
• 37:48
  a never headlined B never seen that many people for someone I
• 37:51
  was playing with and like C never been on a bus And it was
• 37:54
  like it was, you know, it's just a shock.
• 37:56
  And then we just had a fucking blast.
• 37:58
  And it was like he and Kurt, like we were like, we could
• 38:02
  drink and have fun and and like, dude, it was, it was just a
• 38:06
  whole new world that I had just like never seen.
• 38:08
  And I was like, this is incredible.
• 38:09
  When you say we could drink and have fun, do you mean on stage?
• 38:13
  Yeah, yeah. Like I have beer on stage.
• 38:14
  Like I could have beers before the stage like.
• 38:16
  Yeah, I, I took a couple of tours off drinking before stage,
• 38:21
  including the one that we just did.
• 38:22
  And towards the end of the tour I really wanted to go home.
• 38:25
  So I started having like just a couple before and in fact on the
• 38:28
  last show I was like, let me see if I can break my beer record.
• 38:31
  And I made my drum tech because then first night I got a new
• 38:35
  drum tech on the last tour and the first day because I I was on
• 38:39
  sorry, I was on this tour, I was having 2 beers while we're
• 38:42
  playing like over the hour sale ship on 2 beers.
• 38:45
  And while we're talking about it before I was telling Logan my
• 38:48
  new tech. I was like, if I do this it
• 38:51
  means go get me a beer because I want it to be cold.
• 38:55
  And Tom just as a joke, he's just like no, he's not allowed
• 38:58
  beer, just as a joke. Then the show happens and I
• 39:01
  asked Logan for a beer. Doesn't fucking get me one,
• 39:04
  Didn't get me one for the whole show because he took Tom's
• 39:06
  authority over mine. So I had to like suitably punish
• 39:09
  him and I was like waiting to do what can I do to punish him.
• 39:12
  And it was like one of the last shows, Festival Green Room's
• 39:15
  really fucking far away by this point.
• 39:17
  He knows he's allowed to give me a beer.
• 39:20
  I made him go and get me 9 beers and by only, only in like 2 beer
• 39:25
  settings, like he'd give me two and I'd drink them and I'd be
• 39:28
  like two more beers and he'd be like, what?
• 39:30
  And you'd have to go walk all the way, run all the way to the
• 39:33
  green room because come back quickly in case run, get me the
• 39:37
  2 beers, come back. But I'll tell you this, fuck, I
• 39:40
  love playing drums with a couple of obviously responsibly.
• 39:45
  I love playing drums, which is little little birds.
• 39:48
  Yeah, the little. Birds.
• 39:49
  Yeah, I feel that. I like, I like to, I prefer to
• 39:53
  smoke. Like I said, I like to smoke
• 39:55
  before the set. Drinking for the set makes my, I
• 39:57
  feel like fool when I drink, but I like to drink a lot after the
• 40:00
  set for sure responsibly. Responsibly.
• 40:02
  Drink responsibly. Yeah, ideally.
• 40:04
  Drink Monster Energy. Drink Monster Energy on Octane.
• 40:09
  I can do the fucking voice. Sign me the fuck up.
• 40:14
  Madison hates my fucking American accent, she says.
• 40:16
  It's bad. He sounds good.
• 40:18
  She's a hater, you hear? American.
• 40:19
  Accents good. Come on, there's just times that
• 40:23
  you say words. Not.
• 40:25
  Correctly. What do you mean in my English
• 40:27
  one or my American? One in your American one.
• 40:29
  Yeah, like what? Hold on, what words do you does
• 40:31
  he not say correctly? I'll probably just say him in
• 40:34
  the way an English person. You say it super exaggerated and
• 40:39
  it's an American accent. It's not.
• 40:40
  Like. It's not like a natural American
• 40:42
  accent. It's.
• 40:43
  Like in the mirror. Yo that sounds like some women
• 40:47
  I've heard. I've I feel like I've heard
• 40:51
  that. Why don't you go take a look in
• 40:53
  the orange mirror? Orange, OK.
• 40:55
  Orange orange orange is the one that bothers her.
• 40:58
  Orange, Orange, I think it's good.
• 41:00
  I mean, I, I'm fucking orange. Orange.
• 41:02
  I can't do, I can't do your accent.
• 41:04
  Me trying to do that accent, it's just a.
• 41:06
  Let me go, let me go say bottle of water.
• 41:09
  Get a bottle of water that's. Pretty good you.
• 41:12
  Get a bottle of water. Yeah, it's pretty good.
• 41:13
  You just got a mumble. Bottle of water.
• 41:18
  The one that is the the most hard to understand in my accent
• 41:22
  is OK say this word POOL. POOL.
• 41:27
  Yeah, Paul. OK, say this word, Paul.
• 41:31
  Paul. Say this word PULL.
• 41:35
  Pull. Pull, pull, pull.
• 41:41
  Yeah, I never put that together actually.
• 41:42
  My mate Paul pulled at the pool. At the pub.
• 41:48
  At the pub. No, at the pub, at the Pope, at
• 41:50
  the Pope Pol pull and then pull Paul anyway.
• 41:54
  He played this fucking show. Well, you have an actual friend
• 41:58
  named Paul that played the show, No?
• 41:59
  Oh, OK. That's the weird talking, bro.
• 42:02
  Come on. No, I was just saying I forgot
• 42:04
  to say a sentence that my friend Paul, Yeah, played the pool at
• 42:09
  the pool, I would say. Oh no, my mate Paul pulled at
• 42:12
  the pool. Yeah, no, no.
• 42:13
  And then I said at the pub. At the pub, yeah, but pubs,
• 42:16
  fine. Bow and Ball.
• 42:18
  Bow and Ball is pretty similar. Pop pub.
• 42:20
  OK yeah. Pope, me and Paul pulled at the
• 42:24
  pool and then we went to the pub.
• 42:29
  It's like that. There's an SNL skit and it's
• 42:31
  like Bill Hader and Fred Armisen, and it's when you watch
• 42:36
  in English, it's like when you watch the English show without
• 42:39
  the subtitles on it. It's like you're that fucking.
• 42:45
  Yo, are you enjoying Tennessee? Is it been an adjusting out
• 42:48
  here? Were you in?
• 42:48
  Did you go to, did you live in LA?
• 42:51
  OK, You went from UK to here? Yeah.
• 42:53
  How's that? I love it.
• 42:54
  You love it. I thought, we're going to come
• 42:56
  back. This is like the whole podcast
• 42:58
  is your story. I like these little segways.
• 43:01
  This is good. We'll do this bit.
• 43:02
  I just like come back and it's going to keep people watch all
• 43:04
  those fucking ads. Watch those ads because you want
• 43:07
  to hear what's coming next on Serious Octane.
• 43:10
  Sorry, I just. Serious, Octane.
• 43:13
  I fucking love it. It's the best like, and
• 43:17
  everyone's like, why didn't you go to LA?
• 43:19
  Why didn't you go to New York? And here's the thing, if I was
• 43:22
  fucking rich as fuck, I probably would have went to New York
• 43:25
  because Brooklyn's are my favorite place on fucking earth.
• 43:27
  Oh really? Like, I love it.
• 43:28
  But in terms of the podcast, I had three places in my mind in
• 43:34
  general. So the whole move was basically
• 43:36
  aside from love was for business.
• 43:38
  I've always wanted to do it for business and then love sort of
• 43:42
  speed speed it up a little bit. So like I was always LA,
• 43:49
  Nashville or New York. And in 2023 I did like travelled
• 43:54
  here to do some podcasts in Nashville and I had seven days
• 43:59
  and I had 10 guests in the seven days and I had like 10 more that
• 44:05
  scheduling. Couldn't do scheduling.
• 44:07
  Sorry. There's another word I say
• 44:09
  differently. Wait, what do you guys say?
• 44:13
  You say schedule or schedule? Schedule.
• 44:15
  Oh yeah, I say schedule. Yeah, fuck that Might that might
• 44:18
  even just be me. It might not even be the UK.
• 44:21
  Anyone. Say schedule's a new one.
• 44:23
  So like it completely, like I was just like, wow, this is just
• 44:26
  the place to do the podcast. And then when it came down to
• 44:28
  it, I was like, I'd rather live in Brooklyn.
• 44:32
  But then I like looked at rent and property and then rent on a
• 44:35
  drum room and rent on a podcast place and all that stuff.
• 44:38
  I just can't do it. Lai don't like, yeah.
• 44:42
  And then I was like, well, I've already got a drum kit in
• 44:44
  Nashville. I really hadn't been to that
• 44:46
  many places in Nashville, but I was like, I already have a drum
• 44:49
  kit here. I've got a lot of friends here.
• 44:51
  We're good for business and we just do it.
• 44:53
  And then like, we moved here. I've hit Madison up and I was
• 44:56
  just like, and we we were just like just dating by that point.
• 45:01
  And I did the whole fucking Pisces thing where I was just
• 45:03
  like, you're Pisces too. When's your birthday?
• 45:07
  February 21st. March 19th.
• 45:10
  Let's go. Do you like crying?
• 45:13
  You like emotions? You like dreamers?
• 45:16
  Exactly, though. But like, I was like, I'm going
• 45:19
  to move to Nashville. You want to come?
• 45:20
  And she's went, Yeah. And that was it.
• 45:22
  So I love it, love being here. It's been great for the podcast,
• 45:26
  great for everything. But like I low key just like the
• 45:29
  people are so much nicer here than they are in New York or LA.
• 45:35
  I agree. New York's a bit closer to
• 45:37
  British in terms of like bluntness, but like, in essence,
• 45:41
  everyone's just being really patronizing to me.
• 45:43
  What are you frowning at? I.
• 45:45
  Was laughing. Oh, I thought you were just
• 45:46
  disagreeing and like in terms of in essence, everyone's just
• 45:49
  being. After talking about bluntness.
• 45:53
  That was awesome dude, what a good timing.
• 45:55
  Sorry, sorry, sorry. I don't that was fine.
• 45:58
  She's got she's got her favorite music, the ACS on.
• 46:02
  Please don't smash the window. No, But like, dogs.
• 46:09
  And there's anyone. Everyone has just been
• 46:11
  patronizing to me. Everyone's so friendly.
• 46:13
  And you know what I also love? I love being British here
• 46:15
  because everyone's just like, so excited.
• 46:18
  Yeah, so excited. I love that.
• 46:19
  What are you doing here? Oh, it must be music.
• 46:23
  And I'm like, yeah, it is. And then we just have a little.
• 46:25
  Fucking chat. Oh bro, people love accents
• 46:28
  here. I've got no intention of going
• 46:30
  back to the UK, I've got no respect.
• 46:32
  That am I going to bring you to Kentucky?
• 46:34
  We got to go to Kevin's bar. Hey, there's a there's a Ren
• 46:37
  fair in Kentucky. What's that?
• 46:40
  That we want to go a Renaissance fair?
• 46:42
  Oh, I've never been to 1:00 but they look fun.
• 46:45
  There's one in Kentucky. There's one in Kentucky.
• 46:47
  I don't know, maybe Louisville. Yeah, then that's the spot.
• 46:52
  Let's go. Let's dress up.
• 46:53
  We went to one. I'll put the photo here.
• 46:55
  We went to undressed up. Oh.
• 46:56
  Dude, I would look hell yeah. I went, what did I even go as?
• 47:00
  Like a black metal night, kind of.
• 47:02
  I bought a flail. Did you get a real life?
• 47:05
  Did you have like the chain armour?
• 47:08
  No, I had like straps. And then she did my makeup.
• 47:12
  What else did I have? I like armband things.
• 47:15
  I look like I was in a black metal band.
• 47:16
  She went as a a kitsune, like a mythical.
• 47:21
  What's the definition of a kitsune?
• 47:23
  It's a. Fox Demon.
• 47:24
  Like a fox demon. I'll tell you what, we had some
• 47:26
  crazy sex when we got hurt, dude.
• 47:28
  Hell. Yeah, all dressed up.
• 47:31
  It was fucking nuts. It's like, is it OK?
• 47:33
  I'm technically fucked? You're.
• 47:35
  Kind of fucking up fucked right now.
• 47:39
  Like babe, was this cool? We're like borderline,
• 47:42
  borderline. It's close.
• 47:45
  I was. Going to say furry.
• 47:46
  It's close borderline hitting the fire yeah, it's more furry
• 47:49
  actually. Damn, that's fun.
• 47:50
  Bowl of milk and everything. It's great dude.
• 47:53
  I'm I like that you love in Tennessee.
• 47:55
  Honestly, not that my opinion matters on what your move, but I
• 48:00
  think that you being here is like one of the greatest things
• 48:04
  that you could have done, like just for yourself and especially
• 48:07
  like hearing where you're like wanting to be, you know what I'm
• 48:11
  saying? Because so many, so many
• 48:12
  countries, like so many like artists out here are like, want
• 48:16
  you to be here. And then also like rehearsals
• 48:18
  happen out here too. And it's just like so, so, so
• 48:21
  it's an easy place to like network with everyone.
• 48:23
  And then like LL everybody from LA is already coming out here to
• 48:26
  record and write and do all that stuff anyway.
• 48:28
  So it's like, yeah, I think Nashville.
• 48:30
  Yeah. I think Nashville is like a
• 48:31
  really like good spot to me. I think, I think I know you like
• 48:35
  New York, but I think it's like so busy and like over saturated,
• 48:37
  at least the the music and. And you just.
• 48:40
  And also also some gospel dudes kind of got those gigs locked
• 48:42
  down. And you can't really like I
• 48:45
  don't know what I'm looking for. I don't think I'm looking for
• 48:48
  hired gun shit really, unless it's touring.
• 48:51
  Like I don't particularly. I'd like to get a call when it's
• 48:53
  just like, hey, come track these drums and I'll go do it.
• 48:56
  But like I want what happened with you?
• 48:59
  Admittedly, you did a little bit more networking, but like people
• 49:02
  saw your Instagram was like, and they pretty much made-up their
• 49:05
  mind and then you hung out and then you did the rehearsal and
• 49:07
  then that's it. I want that.
• 49:09
  Like, I ain't got the time because of the podcast.
• 49:11
  I ain't got the time to like, go to a country bar and meet people
• 49:14
  and be like, hey, I play the drums, brother.
• 49:16
  Well, that's what that's what you got the boys for, because
• 49:19
  it'll be I'm dude, I'm telling you I'm it's I I get hit up.
• 49:24
  Well, it was more when I was like.
• 49:26
  Well, you've hit me up a couple of times actually for things,
• 49:28
  but I didn't live here, right? Right.
• 49:29
  I mean much easier. Yeah, like it that they people
• 49:32
  reach out to me like all the time for like last minute stuff.
• 49:34
  So it's like if I you are. I can't wear a cowboy hat.
• 49:39
  I could. I'll do my serious octane voice.
• 49:42
  I don't, I mean, dude, you're, you're an incredible human.
• 49:46
  So I don't. There's no one that deserves to
• 49:48
  get where they want. What a fuck.
• 49:50
  You know what I'm saying? For real, and I'm sorry.
• 49:52
  You. I'm happy for you.
• 49:53
  Let's continue with your story because it will be fucking.
• 49:55
  It is such a great story. Yeah.
• 49:57
  So you play the show. Do you make any mistakes?
• 50:00
  Yeah, I definitely did not stop on some parts that meant to be
• 50:06
  stopped on, but like. Wow, that's a big one.
• 50:08
  Yeah. And like so like you were
• 50:10
  supposed to bring out a crash. Or just you would be like back
• 50:16
  end kind of thing. And I would try to because he
• 50:18
  was the guitar player was like trying to pull me down with it.
• 50:22
  And. And it wasn't even like things
• 50:23
  that were that was like crazy that the crowd, yeah, like the
• 50:26
  crowd wouldn't have noticed, you know what I'm saying?
• 50:28
  But like Jelly, I mean, Jelly came off stage and was like, I
• 50:30
  was awesome. And I was like, really like, you
• 50:32
  think so? And I was like, I think I could
• 50:34
  have been probably better. He's like, he's like, dude, He's
• 50:36
  like, dude, this is he's like first show bro.
• 50:39
  This is this is when I like found out who he was as a
• 50:43
  person. I played one of the worst shows
• 50:46
  that I had ever played in Columbus.
• 50:47
  OH, we, we had all. Fucking Madison, OH.
• 50:51
  We had all been drinking before this was this was in 2021, I
• 50:53
  think, and we'd all been drinking before I had actually
• 50:57
  honest, to be real with you, I actually fell off the stage that
• 51:00
  day and hit my head that drop that no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 51:03
  I I didn't know how the this is before I started drinking.
• 51:06
  I like didn't know the depth of the stage when I was setting up
• 51:09
  and I just got my new Mapex kit and so I was like walking back
• 51:12
  to just admire it. And it was at the venue in
• 51:17
  whatever ones in Columbus. Not stage AE, not the.
• 51:20
  One that. No, no.
• 51:22
  No, no, it's, it's like a, it's like a A5000 cap, like outside
• 51:26
  venue. Oh yeah, something live,
• 51:29
  whatever, doesn't matter. But just walked off and didn't
• 51:32
  know where I was and just fell off to say it was like a three
• 51:35
  foot drop but or three or 4 foot drop.
• 51:36
  It was like. You're in sound check.
• 51:38
  Before sound check, yeah, I like just set drums up and but no one
• 51:42
  saw it. Like no one saw that happen.
• 51:44
  And so I was like already pissed off about that.
• 51:45
  So I kind of just like started drinking about it.
• 51:47
  And by the time we went on stage, I was, I wasn't drunk,
• 51:50
  but I was like a little tipsy. But I went out and I just, I
• 51:53
  mean, not, not that the crowd would notice, you know what I'm
• 51:56
  saying? I was just frustrated with
• 51:57
  myself that I could have played better.
• 51:58
  So when I came off stage, I was visibly frustrated and just mad
• 52:01
  that I made the decision and whatever.
• 52:04
  And Jelly came in the green room and he was like, he's like, man,
• 52:08
  that was a great show. And I was like, I was like,
• 52:10
  dude, I played like shit. He was like, he's like, did you
• 52:13
  play like shit? And I was like, I thought so.
• 52:14
  And he goes, I didn't hear anything.
• 52:16
  He said, did you have fun? And I said, well, yeah.
• 52:18
  And he goes, then that's all that matters, and he walks out
• 52:22
  any. Dream boss, give me that.
• 52:24
  Boss, he said. Take a shot and let's go.
• 52:25
  And I was like. Oh, I love him.
• 52:27
  I don't even know him. I love him.
• 52:28
  Dude, it was in that moment I was like, man, this guy like is
• 52:33
  genuinely here like to he wants us to have a good time.
• 52:36
  Like he cares about us having a good time.
• 52:37
  So it was like. I see him on interviews and
• 52:40
  every time I'm like this guy fucking.
• 52:42
  Rocks it's awesome and so you know, obviously this was like at
• 52:45
  a point this was at a very different point in like his
• 52:47
  life, you know, because now he he doesn't drink or do anything
• 52:51
  and he's on his health journey and it's he's in a really.
• 52:54
  Really good place in that. Oh dude, he's lost over £200
• 52:56
  like he's Oh yeah, like all natural. £200.
• 53:00
  Yeah, he was. How big was he?
• 53:02
  He was high fours, low fives. Really.
• 53:05
  Fuck. And yeah, he's, he's down to
• 53:09
  like, I think a little bit over. I don't know the exact, I don't
• 53:13
  know the exact way. I just know that he's lost 200
• 53:15
  lbs. Jesus Christ.
• 53:16
  More than I weigh. Yeah, and he's, I think, I think
• 53:21
  he's in his twos now, to be honest.
• 53:22
  I think he's in two hundreds. But anyways, yeah.
• 53:25
  So he you know, he he hasn't drank or done anything and he
• 53:28
  smokes weed. No, God, no, no, I don't know
• 53:31
  that's anything to do with that. Fucking terrible joke.
• 53:34
  Slim Slim Jelly, Slim roll. Slim game.
• 53:37
  Slim Jim Slim roll slim, we call it.
• 53:39
  Rebrands Slim Jim. Now deal with it.
• 53:43
  Yeah, no. So it was like, you know,
• 53:45
  different time. But yeah, it was that's just
• 53:48
  kind of when I saw that, like, I don't know, I always like felt
• 53:53
  that like this was the gig that I belonged in just from my
• 53:56
  background with drumming and from like loving, you know,
• 53:58
  growing up in small town America to falling in love with metal
• 54:02
  and then touring with metal and, you know, then becoming obsessed
• 54:06
  with gospel drummers and then kind.
• 54:08
  Of is it? Is it less stress to not?
• 54:10
  I don't. I assume you don't play much
• 54:12
  double kick unless it's like a solo?
• 54:15
  Yeah, I don't like have to play double kick.
• 54:17
  Any double kick that I put in there is just like sheerly out
• 54:20
  of choice or dream. And I also I'm like cleaner with
• 54:24
  double kick than I am with single as far as like with like
• 54:27
  stutter stuff or like. Yeah, me too.
• 54:29
  Stuff so I like I can space it out more just because I did it
• 54:33
  more on double kick growing up learning drums, and I did.
• 54:36
  I I do that as well. And there's a lot of people
• 54:39
  online are like, oh, you're cheating by two foot in this.
• 54:42
  It's like my brother, if you're not playing with triggers, like
• 54:46
  you want me to hit the drum as hard as I can or you want me to
• 54:49
  just go like, and then the game, especially on a country gig,
• 54:52
  they must have those drums so cleanly gated, right?
• 54:55
  Those two hits are not coming through.
• 54:57
  Well, they have, they have to do they have to trigger the drums
• 55:00
  and they triggered they have to for whatever gate gating
• 55:03
  purposes. Oh, it's got the gate there, the
• 55:04
  gate trigger on it. That's kind of cool.
• 55:07
  Anyway, tell me about Take Me Back to this show.
• 55:09
  You do the show, couple of fuck ups.
• 55:12
  What happens immediately afterwards?
• 55:13
  Nothing. We all partied.
• 55:15
  Yeah, it was. Did you knew if you got the gig
• 55:17
  or did you already know? Oh.
• 55:18
  No, that I just there was never, it wasn't like a you never got
• 55:22
  the gig. It was.
• 55:23
  There wasn't. Been there ever since.
• 55:24
  Yeah, he just. I just.
• 55:25
  I was. Either there was it, there was
• 55:27
  no conversation ever. No, he's never said.
• 55:29
  Do you want to join my band? No, it was just like, I thought
• 55:32
  we weren't together until I fucking asked her.
• 55:35
  Like, well, you never asked me. I was like, I thought it was
• 55:37
  fucking inside. I just, I was like, man, like.
• 55:40
  So you're not in that band, according to her.
• 55:44
  Well, he he told me. He came up to me and told me I
• 55:46
  was this drummer, but not like after that show, you know what
• 55:49
  I'm saying? But like it was like he I just
• 55:52
  always kept. They were just like, Hey, we
• 55:54
  have show this day. Hey, we have show this day.
• 55:55
  And then it was like we're his band and saying we've kept us
• 56:01
  around ever since. So it's like it's been really
• 56:03
  cool, you know, I'm saying it's. Now you're playing like
• 56:06
  legitimate fucking insane shows. But we need to, we need to.
• 56:11
  They got, I got 222 segues. Yeah, number one, I've just got
• 56:16
  to get it out of the way. But you played the drums when
• 56:19
  Eminem was on stage. Dude, the single craziest thing
• 56:33
  any one of my friends has ever done.
• 56:35
  Dude, I can't. I literally can't believe that
• 56:37
  that is a sentence. I know I get.
• 56:39
  To say it is fucking in his hometown at Ford Stadium.
• 56:44
  It's. Crazy.
• 56:45
  I've never heard a crowd in my life go so insane.
• 56:49
  When did you know it was going to happen?
• 56:50
  Right before we went on stage. No way.
• 56:53
  We got we got the text the night before that said, hey, learn,
• 56:57
  lose yourself, you Eminem might come.
• 57:01
  And then the next day they were like, hey, you guys, we weren't
• 57:06
  supposed to have a sound check. And they were like, hey,
• 57:09
  immediate sound check. EMS team is coming to make sure
• 57:11
  that you guys to fill. EMS team is coming to film you
• 57:15
  guys sound checking the song to get approval for Eminem to show
• 57:19
  up and so. Respect to him because that's
• 57:22
  just the the the best way to do. It so his dad, security TM and
• 57:27
  some other people on this team show up to our I'm.
• 57:29
  Sorry, what was the first word you said?
• 57:30
  His dad his. Dad, his dad, his security, his.
• 57:34
  Why his dad? I don't know, but his dad's the
• 57:36
  one that filmed it. Eminem's dad's got you on his
• 57:39
  phone. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:40
  Rehearse it. He's Dad, his dad, dude.
• 57:43
  So it was we rehearsed it and then his his team went out to
• 57:47
  the front of the catwalk and filmed us playing the whole
• 57:50
  song. And then even after that we
• 57:53
  didn't hear anything. They just his team and family
• 57:56
  came out to us like dude, this is incredible.
• 57:57
  Like you guys sound great. So we were like, all right,
• 57:59
  cool, and but we didn't know what was going to happen.
• 58:01
  And as we walk on stage, I see on the set list that lose
• 58:03
  yourself on there. So we were like, Oh shit, it was
• 58:06
  coming out. And then right before Jelly goes
• 58:09
  like the song before he came out, Jelly went into the
• 58:14
  Talkback bike and was like, hey, is him over there?
• 58:16
  And they were like, yeah, we got him.
• 58:17
  And I was like. And your asshole went.
• 58:20
  I was like, oh shit, yeah. I was like, yeah.
• 58:24
  I mean, I was just ecstatic. I was like, I can't believe this
• 58:27
  is happening. Like I can't, dude.
• 58:29
  How much of the song did you play?
• 58:32
  The whole thing. Yeah, if.
• 58:33
  You were one of those real lame people and they do exist.
• 58:36
  You could put on your bio. You can put that in your bio.
• 58:41
  Like drums with Jelly Roll. You don't.
• 58:44
  Post Malone. You ever done a song with Jelly
• 58:46
  Roll? Yeah.
• 58:48
  On stage, Yeah. Were you playing drums?
• 58:49
  Yeah. In the bio.
• 58:51
  Post Malone. That's my fucking dream gig.
• 58:54
  Fucking. Gig dude Phil.
• 58:56
  Phil is awesome. Who's Phil?
• 58:57
  Phil. Phil.
• 59:01
  Phil plays drums for Post Country Project.
• 59:04
  Oh yeah, no, I want the fucking. I want the old one.
• 59:07
  No, I don't like the new one, but I know.
• 59:08
  Oh yeah, the the hip hop stuff, they did some really cool stuff
• 59:11
  on that tour with with his hip hop songs.
• 59:13
  It was it was actually really cool to see I.
• 59:14
  I like his country stuff, but I I want my where am I going with
• 59:19
  this? Because I want the job.
• 59:20
  So don't shoot yourself in the foot if he ever wants to go
• 59:24
  back. Because I know that guy likes
• 59:26
  Stray. I know that guy likes fucking.
• 59:28
  For sure he's a metal court. Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for that
• 59:31
  metal Courier I post my own. I'm ready to go.
• 59:34
  All right, bruv. Hey, we've met before.
• 59:37
  Give me the fucking gig. He goes into his metal shit.
• 59:40
  Oh dude every second from posted a metal record.
• 59:42
  I can't believe he hasn't yet. He.
• 59:43
  Should and I should play the fucking drums on it.
• 59:45
  There it is, he fucking. He heard him.
• 59:47
  He fucking said. But you can put all those in
• 59:49
  your bio. You can don't, please don't.
• 59:51
  Absolutely people do that. But playing with Eminem has to
• 59:54
  be it's, I think it's, it's not the coolest thing anyone that I
• 59:59
  know has ever done. You want to know the coolest
• 1:00:01
  part about and and believe me or not, but.
• 1:00:05
  If I'm taking away his dad. No, no, that like that.
• 1:00:11
  Getting to do that was insane. But believe or not when I say
• 1:00:15
  the coolest part of that night for me personally was our
• 1:00:18
  keyboard player, Matt Ferrante. He is from listen to how crazy
• 1:00:25
  this is for this is for him. He's from Flint, MI.
• 1:00:31
  It was his birthday. Nice.
• 1:00:34
  Played Ford Field Stadium, sold out and had and performed Lose
• 1:00:39
  Yourself with Eminem in Detroit on his birthday.
• 1:00:42
  On his birthday. What?
• 1:00:44
  What birthday was it? You know, did it start with a 0?
• 1:00:48
  Because if it did, then there's some, I mean, he's going to
• 1:00:50
  remember it forever. But imagine that was like your
• 1:00:52
  40th birthday. Would you do for your 40th?
• 1:00:54
  I'll play with em then. Yeah, I dude, I think he's 40
• 1:00:57
  now. Actually, I think he's 39 at 40.
• 1:00:59
  If he's 4I mean it doesn't matter, but imagine like people
• 1:01:02
  just kind of like, that's what I was saying.
• 1:01:04
  What'd you do? All I could play with Eminem in
• 1:01:06
  the stadium. All I could think about was just
• 1:01:08
  like what that moment was like for him.
• 1:01:10
  And I was just like, dude, I mean this, you know, I was like
• 1:01:12
  obviously enjoying the moment for myself too, but I'll just
• 1:01:14
  look over and I'm. Just did you lose yourself in
• 1:01:16
  the mind? Yeah, that was nice.
• 1:01:21
  That was an 8 that. Was a good one been.
• 1:01:26
  Watching Been watching Mormon Secret Lives of the Mormon
• 1:01:30
  Wives. You've been watching that.
• 1:01:34
  No, but do they? Do they show?
• 1:01:36
  Do they do what? What?
• 1:01:40
  Are you talking about they do 80 eights?
• 1:01:43
  Let me. Tell you we're.
• 1:01:44
  Watching this dog shit program called Secret Lives of the
• 1:01:48
  Mormon wise. It's called soaking.
• 1:01:49
  What's soaking? What am I doing I don't know if
• 1:01:52
  this is something that someone just what's soaking.
• 1:01:54
  Do you know what soaking is? OK So what I heard before you
• 1:01:58
  say the definition I heard soaking.
• 1:02:00
  I was told and Mormon community that just correct me if I'm
• 1:02:04
  wrong. I was told this soaking is when
• 1:02:08
  it's because Mormons like, don't have sex, right?
• 1:02:10
  They're not supposed to have sex.
• 1:02:11
  No matter, apparently. Well it's when they of male lays
• 1:02:18
  down and a female goes on top and their friends jump on the
• 1:02:25
  bed. So they're not actually the ones
• 1:02:28
  physically doing things. So they that's one of their ways
• 1:02:31
  around sex. But the penis?
• 1:02:34
  But they're not doing it. The people are jumping on the
• 1:02:36
  bed making the motion but. Surely putting the penis in is
• 1:02:40
  the star of sex. It is, but soaking also is there
• 1:02:45
  will be penetration and there will be just no movement.
• 1:02:47
  So they could just lay there like that and that's not
• 1:02:50
  considered. It's considered.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, sex. Sex isn't until.
• 1:02:53
  Marriage. Sorry to any Mormons listening
• 1:02:55
  but I have a history of looking at your fucking religion and
• 1:02:59
  it's absolutely bonkers. Like you just make shit up.
• 1:03:03
  The whole thing with the guy got cheating on it caught cheating
• 1:03:06
  on his wife and he was like I was in the woods and someone
• 1:03:09
  told me I was supposed to have more wives and they went oh OK
• 1:03:12
  soaking Are you fucking for real?
• 1:03:14
  Dude, I'm telling you, I think it's, I think it's a real thing.
• 1:03:17
  Surely the penetration is the act of sex.
• 1:03:21
  I think it's, is it not? I don't know.
• 1:03:23
  I think the definition of success.
• 1:03:25
  Pull up. Pull up the definition of.
• 1:03:27
  Sex to have movement, I think. Of what?
• 1:03:29
  Sex just straight up sex SSEX. Sexual activity, including
• 1:03:36
  specifically sexual intercourse. Yes.
• 1:03:39
  That is the definition. I mean, the definition of sexual
• 1:03:42
  intercourse, this is going to be, it's not going to tell us
• 1:03:45
  movement, it's not going to say. It might not.
• 1:03:47
  Penis has to go up and down. Sexual contact between
• 1:03:52
  individuals involving penetration, especially the
• 1:03:55
  insertion of a man's erect penis into a woman's vagina.
• 1:03:58
  Nothing about nothing about the movement soaking.
• 1:04:01
  Debunked soaking is debunked and you guys are you guys are.
• 1:04:04
  Having going to hell. You're having sex and you're
• 1:04:07
  going to fucking hell. Let me tell you anyway, soak me.
• 1:04:11
  Soak me, daddy. Where were we, right?
• 1:04:14
  We did Eminem. We did so anyway, where the
• 1:04:16
  moment housewives thing, the only thing we're watching it is
• 1:04:19
  dog shit TV shows, Kardashians, Mormon people.
• 1:04:21
  It's quite entertaining. They do have many, many
• 1:04:24
  loopholes for the sex, which is what the whole show is about.
• 1:04:27
  But when anything happens on the show, there's like a cliffhanger
• 1:04:32
  moment. The audio literally goes like an
• 1:04:36
  8 or 8 every time and I every time I have to do it again.
• 1:04:40
  It's that intense. It's like a tick, Yeah, it fully
• 1:04:42
  just goes. It's like, Oh my God, they've
• 1:04:47
  been soaking. Mormons gone wild.
• 1:04:54
  It's. Literally Mormons gone wild.
• 1:04:55
  Anyway, do you? I mean, I haven't drummed in
• 1:04:58
  fucking ages. This morning I didn't.
• 1:05:01
  I'm supposed to drum. Yesterday I didn't.
• 1:05:03
  I haven't so bad. I haven't got to practice in
• 1:05:06
  years. I like legitimately have not got
• 1:05:08
  to sit down by myself and. Yeah, I like to hear that
• 1:05:11
  though, because I'm currently like in a stage when I need a
• 1:05:14
  band, but I'm not. I mean, obviously we're still
• 1:05:18
  playing shows or I'll play shows next week, but I'm not.
• 1:05:20
  I can't bring myself. I talked about on the Iron
• 1:05:22
  podcast, Hopefully these don't come out next to each other.
• 1:05:24
  People will be fucking bored. But like, I can't bring myself
• 1:05:28
  to go and practice songs for a band that's splitting up.
• 1:05:30
  Like I know I owe it to the fans to be good and I will do it, but
• 1:05:33
  I'll it's just like a pain. Yeah, because it's like this is
• 1:05:37
  a I'm closing this chapter, but I still have to go to two hours.
• 1:05:41
  Especially like I mentioned earlier, double kick.
• 1:05:43
  Like double like practicing double kick.
• 1:05:44
  I don't want to fucking do that anymore.
• 1:05:45
  I'm not doing it. Next band, minimal double kick
• 1:05:48
  because I don't have to practice.
• 1:05:49
  Nothing over 150. I'll do flurries.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, over 150. But you're not having me doing
• 1:05:57
  straight sixteenths over 150 ever again.
• 1:05:59
  It's not happening. But you dude, you also do some
• 1:06:02
  crazy shit. You'll be adding so many splits
• 1:06:05
  between kick and snare and. Yeah, because I'm lazy.
• 1:06:07
  That's one thing. What do you mean?
• 1:06:09
  That's one thing per arm. Everyone's like, everyone's
• 1:06:12
  like, Oh my God, that's so fucking fast.
• 1:06:13
  It's like, no, actually what I've done is I've, I've
• 1:06:16
  optimised laziness. I go like this and then like
• 1:06:19
  this and then like this and then like this, and then I speed it
• 1:06:21
  up and everyone's like, Oh my God, it's really fast.
• 1:06:25
  But no, it's really slow out of time, really slow by 1B.
• 1:06:31
  It's so nice to like be able to do those splits though to
• 1:06:35
  because it can. If you can do it cleanly, it can
• 1:06:38
  make your life easier and be able.
• 1:06:41
  To do I want it, I wanted to put it on.
• 1:06:43
  I've been trying to put it on the last three records and every
• 1:06:45
  time I guess mixed by someone, they're like, no, I don't want
• 1:06:48
  that film. And I'm like, why?
• 1:06:49
  You know, Like it's too crazy. I'm like, that's the whole
• 1:06:51
  point. Yeah, you let me make
• 1:06:53
  Guillotine. Let me do the crazy fucking.
• 1:06:55
  Film. Jellyroll would let me.
• 1:06:58
  Post Malone would let me. Eminem's dad would let me.
• 1:07:01
  The one time I was told that I was, I had like a whole growth
• 1:07:07
  as a drummer, like the past like 2, like year or two.
• 1:07:10
  I'm not surprised. Really fucking massive.
• 1:07:13
  Well, just like in, in understanding where to place
• 1:07:16
  things how so like we played this festival or we played, we
• 1:07:19
  played this award show and we had I think it was the CMT
• 1:07:24
  awards and we were playing need a favour.
• 1:07:28
  And there was this like break that we had put in the song for
• 1:07:33
  this huge gospel part. And I wrote the such a fucking
• 1:07:38
  sick drum like for that part that fits so well.
• 1:07:40
  And it was so I was really stoked on it.
• 1:07:43
  So I was doing it in rehearsal, but they had all the gospel, the
• 1:07:46
  gospel choir there and management.
• 1:07:48
  Everybody was there too. And management came over to me
• 1:07:50
  and was like, hey, you're playing over a very important
• 1:07:54
  vocal part, please stop. And I was like.
• 1:07:57
  Classic. I was like, fuck, I was like, I
• 1:07:59
  didn't even like realize. I was like the part just fits so
• 1:08:02
  well. Like I thought it added and so
• 1:08:04
  then I didn't do it and heard the vocal part and I was like,
• 1:08:07
  oh, OK, yeah. So then like that kind of just
• 1:08:09
  like changed my approach and then like management.
• 1:08:12
  So on that tour I like laid back a lot just to like make sure I
• 1:08:15
  wasn't overdoing like it a vocal parts and he management came up
• 1:08:18
  to me. He's like, Hey, you know, you
• 1:08:19
  can like spice up and like put some shit.
• 1:08:23
  I was like the last time I tried to do that, he was like, just
• 1:08:25
  don't do it over vocal parts. And I was like, oh, and so then
• 1:08:28
  I like really. And at the time we'd like got
• 1:08:31
  this new member in the band that came from like pop and he was he
• 1:08:35
  we got this new MD and he was kind of helping arrange our
• 1:08:38
  songs and we were, we were just like approaching and cutting
• 1:08:41
  things differently than I'd been used to.
• 1:08:44
  But it taught me so much on like like we like symbol swell stuff,
• 1:08:48
  like I wear like cutting out on like words opposed to like
• 1:08:52
  swelling into the one. And it would like accent
• 1:08:55
  different parts of like words in the course, Like we do this one.
• 1:08:57
  And I'm not OK that it like swells into like the and or
• 1:09:01
  something like that or the E and it's just following the lyrics
• 1:09:04
  and and then just like thinking like, instead of doing like a
• 1:09:07
  bunch of like cool little things or like a lot of ghost note
• 1:09:09
  stuff like because in the arenas and the stadiums, they're not
• 1:09:12
  going to like here. I really like understand what's
• 1:09:15
  happening. So it was like approaching it
• 1:09:18
  with like a bigger, like a bigger mind of like bigger drums
• 1:09:22
  or like big drum sounds and like things that are more
• 1:09:25
  understandable and then putting the the cool things in not over
• 1:09:28
  vocal stuff, but where they can help grow the song opposed, help
• 1:09:32
  grow the song opposed to overshadowing any important
• 1:09:36
  part. It's cool that you got to learn
• 1:09:38
  that on the road instead of getting fucking fired.
• 1:09:40
  Yeah. Because I imagine that sort of
• 1:09:42
  industry is probably quite cutthroat.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah. And stuff like that.
• 1:09:44
  And like even like circling back to that split field thing that
• 1:09:48
  we're talking about. I learnt a lot of that by the
• 1:09:50
  way that we record with Will is like we write all the music
• 1:09:53
  first to program drums and then we do the vocals and then I come
• 1:09:57
  back and track the real drums. So like there's a lot of times
• 1:10:01
  where exactly what you're saying where I've gone like this bit so
• 1:10:04
  fucking sick. And they've been like, you can't
• 1:10:05
  hear the main line and I've gone like, here you can.
• 1:10:10
  And it's like, no, you fucking can't.
• 1:10:12
  And you just have to. And that was a learning curve
• 1:10:14
  for me over the last five records where I'm just like, no,
• 1:10:17
  they're right. And I'm like, yeah, but the film
• 1:10:19
  has to do this. And I'm like, no, because
• 1:10:20
  there's a word there. You need to be stopped on that
• 1:10:22
  word. And I'm like, OK, yeah, rewrite
• 1:10:25
  it, I guess. But I love like I've never
• 1:10:30
  worked with an, I've worked with an MD once for like a live show
• 1:10:34
  thing. But like, I love that stuff.
• 1:10:37
  I love when the songs get changed, particularly for like
• 1:10:41
  award ceremonies and stuff when an MD will come in and like be
• 1:10:43
  like, here's an extended section.
• 1:10:45
  Did you ever see? And I know like everyone dunked
• 1:10:49
  on it because he stole it from plenty, but did you ever see the
• 1:10:55
  Dojo cat say so at the VMA's? They made it metal and like the
• 1:11:02
  the the MD who is a fucking legend.
• 1:11:07
  He like admittedly it's like very, very plagiarized from the
• 1:11:11
  plenty song really. And but it fits so well.
• 1:11:16
  It's like the most it's the coolest shit ever.
• 1:11:18
  Like I wish there was a studio recording of that Yeah that he
• 1:11:22
  did, because it's incredible. Like it's way better than the
• 1:11:23
  song in my opinion. Like in the original song which
• 1:11:26
  is also. Like the Dojo?
• 1:11:28
  The original Dojo cat song? Yeah.
• 1:11:29
  The original Dojo Cat song, now the Plenty song, but it's like
• 1:11:32
  it's very, very close and I think there was a lot of
• 1:11:35
  discourse at the time where. Did the MD know that it was from
• 1:11:38
  plenty? Yeah, I think he came out and he
• 1:11:40
  was like, who hasn't spent the last year listening to that
• 1:11:43
  record? Like, forgive me for
• 1:11:44
  plagiarizing. And it's like, of course, yeah,
• 1:11:47
  respect. And I think plenty was like,
• 1:11:50
  people were batting for plenty. Going like, this is outrageous.
• 1:11:54
  Like nerdy little fart sniffing fucking prog kids.
• 1:11:57
  No offence, by the way. This episode is sponsored by
• 1:11:59
  Neural DSP. They make amazing plugins for
• 1:12:01
  your guitar if you're one of those nerds.
• 1:12:03
  I just fucking told off. It really is.
• 1:12:06
  They're great. You just use them.
• 1:12:08
  I'm joking. But like plenty himself came out
• 1:12:12
  and was like, this is fucking sick.
• 1:12:14
  Just wish that I'd been asked. I'd love to play the VMA's,
• 1:12:17
  which I thought was perfect response from him.
• 1:12:19
  Perfect response from the guy that was just like, forgive me,
• 1:12:21
  like I'm sorry. I listened to that record all
• 1:12:23
  throughout lockdown. I'm sorry.
• 1:12:24
  I think I'm not listening to this record.
• 1:12:26
  It's like PLINI pleni. You never heard pleni?
• 1:12:29
  I mean, I know the name, but I've never listened except for
• 1:12:32
  whatever my guitar player has put on in our drunk state on the
• 1:12:36
  bus. But I'm not paying attention.
• 1:12:38
  Like, you know how like, Animals As Leaders is heavy?
• 1:12:41
  Yeah. It's like if Animals As Leaders
• 1:12:44
  wasn't heavy. Are they more like Chon esque?
• 1:12:47
  Yeah, it's. More in the charm realm, yeah,
• 1:12:50
  but he's fucking amazing. The Australian guy.
• 1:12:52
  The drummer's fucking incredible as well.
• 1:12:54
  Like, in fact, the drummer is like.
• 1:12:56
  What? Troy Wright played on one on the
• 1:12:58
  Records. That's what I thought it was.
• 1:13:00
  Troy Wright. Troy Wright played on I think 2
• 1:13:02
  of the albums and then Chris played on the other ones.
• 1:13:06
  Insane Like a whole song in quintuplets.
• 1:13:10
  Like not in not not a song in 5-4 but the whole song is
• 1:13:14
  12345123451234512345. But then it flows like
• 1:13:19
  beautifully. Do you ever listen to The
• 1:13:20
  Contortionist? Yes.
• 1:13:22
  Same. Take the heaviness out of the
• 1:13:25
  contortion. OK, Very similar.
• 1:13:27
  I love that band. I was thinking about that band
• 1:13:28
  yesterday. I only listened to that one
• 1:13:30
  record, but which one? I think it was the second one.
• 1:13:38
  The green record. I'm sure no, no.
• 1:13:40
  No reimagine. The human.
• 1:13:41
  The human. Is it a dark cover?
• 1:13:45
  It has like, I want to say it has like, yeah, it's a darker
• 1:13:47
  cover, but it has like pink and or some kind of blue or
• 1:13:50
  something not. Yeah, I think you're talking
• 1:13:52
  about the one that's green. You just love saying pink.
• 1:13:55
  I do like saying pink. I think it's I.
• 1:13:58
  Think it's fucking pink anyway, Neural DSP.
• 1:14:00
  The code is downbeat because if you want to sound like plenty,
• 1:14:04
  use Plenty X. In Oh no, the first time
• 1:14:07
  intrinsic. Oh wait, you never went past
• 1:14:09
  that. No, bro, that's when it gets
• 1:14:12
  really good. Oh dude, I thought that record
• 1:14:14
  was perfect. I toured.
• 1:14:15
  I toured with them on that record.
• 1:14:16
  Oh bro, it gets it gets better. Oh.
• 1:14:20
  I don't know where they disappeared though.
• 1:14:22
  I don't know where the fuck they've gone her.
• 1:14:24
  Drummer Joey Baca is a yeah fucking master freak.
• 1:14:27
  He's so good. Freak Similar Similar drum vibes
• 1:14:30
  on Plenty yeah. I don't know where the fuck
• 1:14:34
  they've gone. Maybe they got caught soaking,
• 1:14:35
  yeah. All all that, Yeah, you need,
• 1:14:37
  you need to get. Some plenty in your life, you
• 1:14:43
  need to get some plenty. You got beatboxing and you got
• 1:14:45
  bars I. Know dude that just that drum
• 1:14:48
  part it's crazy. Goes between like a stack.
• 1:14:51
  Yeah, same, same, same difference.
• 1:14:52
  All right, Where are we on this? I fuck.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, I love plenty. Where's pork chop come from?
• 1:14:59
  Dude, one day I was his. Nickname is Pork Chop, by the
• 1:15:02
  way. One day we were on tour and I
• 1:15:06
  was, I had a tied one on. I tied one on the night before.
• 1:15:11
  I just I just sent it stayed up till like 9:00 in the morning
• 1:15:16
  just. Show the next day.
• 1:15:17
  Show the next. Day not fired for it.
• 1:15:19
  No. God, I want your gig.
• 1:15:21
  Well, I mean, I, I didn't, I've been very blessed to where I can
• 1:15:25
  do that and then sleep and then wake up and play.
• 1:15:28
  I like, I like I dude, I dude, I wake up and play all the time.
• 1:15:32
  I play so good when I've just woke up.
• 1:15:34
  So literally I take a nap every normally every day at between
• 1:15:38
  6:00 and 7:00 I take a nap and then I wake up right before the
• 1:15:41
  set, walk the stage like from. Matt Gaskar does that.
• 1:15:44
  It's the best. I can't do that because I can't
• 1:15:46
  nap. But what I when I practice at
• 1:15:48
  home, when I can be bothered, I will.
• 1:15:50
  Like, I'll wake up. Yeah.
• 1:15:52
  Have a coffee, take some supplements, maybe a protein
• 1:15:57
  bar. I go straight to the drums and
• 1:15:58
  then I'll RIP. But if I wait like 6 hours and
• 1:16:00
  play the drums I'm nowhere near as good.
• 1:16:02
  And it like feels, I don't know why What what I don't know if
• 1:16:05
  there's a science behind it, it probably not it probably just
• 1:16:08
  dumb, but like it it I don't feel as sore when I play from
• 1:16:11
  waking up like I I get through an hour set and I I feel.
• 1:16:15
  The science is probably that you're, I actually know the
• 1:16:21
  science is going to, it's going to sound like I don't know the
• 1:16:23
  science, but your glycogen levels from all the
• 1:16:27
  carbohydrates that you had the night before and the day before,
• 1:16:30
  particularly night, your muscles in the morning, provided you ate
• 1:16:34
  enough at night, are fully absorbed with glycogen so they
• 1:16:38
  can perform at their best. People think, oh, I'm really
• 1:16:42
  tired, let me take some carbs before I go to the gym or before
• 1:16:46
  I go to, you know, play the drums or any of that stuff.
• 1:16:48
  But you need them like 8 hours before.
• 1:16:51
  It's not like you can't just have a banana and go play the
• 1:16:53
  drums and expect to be fully fulfilled with the glycogen
• 1:16:57
  anyway. That's the science.
• 1:16:58
  Well, OK. Carry on.
• 1:17:00
  Yeah. Yeah, so Todd went on.
• 1:17:04
  I was very responsibly intoxicated on a bus and.
• 1:17:10
  Doesn't sound like it. Continue.
• 1:17:13
  And I went to bed because we weren't doing so.
• 1:17:16
  We hadn't sound checked that whole damn time.
• 1:17:19
  Keep telling me, I know your life is bro.
• 1:17:23
  Well so this day they decided to sound check, for what reason I
• 1:17:28
  have no fucking idea. And so I wake up and Jack wakes
• 1:17:34
  me up actually because I, I didn't set an alarm.
• 1:17:37
  So Jack wakes me up and I, I always put my phone on do not
• 1:17:40
  necessarily when I go to bed. So just whatever, not expecting
• 1:17:43
  to have fucking sound check this day.
• 1:17:44
  And Jack comes, wakes me up. He's like, hey, buddy, we got a
• 1:17:47
  sound check. And I was like, are you fucking
• 1:17:49
  kidding me? I was like.
• 1:17:50
  What time is? This this is like 2:30 or three.
• 1:17:53
  And I was like, dude, I like just fell asleep.
• 1:17:56
  Like what is what? Why are we sound checking today?
• 1:17:58
  Like we haven't sound checked this in two months, Like what's
• 1:18:00
  happening? And, and he was like, I don't
• 1:18:03
  know, we're, we're sound checking.
• 1:18:04
  I was like, all right, so. Eminem's dad's.
• 1:18:06
  Coming No, this is this is last. This is last year, last summer.
• 1:18:11
  And so we I get I get out of the bed and I'm visibly still, you
• 1:18:20
  know, a little drunk. I'd gained a lot of weight at
• 1:18:23
  this point and like I was just having like that heats that
• 1:18:28
  gross like hangover heat sweat and like dude, I mean.
• 1:18:33
  Dinky booze. Just gross, dude, gross.
• 1:18:36
  And I don't I don't think that I had got a shower the night
• 1:18:39
  before, just, you know, whatever.
• 1:18:40
  And I. And show to drink in no shower,
• 1:18:45
  straight to bed, hangover fucking you're.
• 1:18:48
  Gross, Just gross. Just very gross in this.
• 1:18:51
  Gross guy shit. In this moment, and I mean dude,
• 1:18:53
  like I shower like 3 * a day, you know what I'm saying, but I
• 1:18:56
  some. Listen, we're.
• 1:18:58
  All allowed, you need for grace. Yeah, that.
• 1:19:00
  But this, whatever this day was, I just, I said fuck it.
• 1:19:03
  So anyway, so I walk, I look in the mirror and I'm like, bro, I
• 1:19:06
  look like shit. Hair isn't messy.
• 1:19:08
  I'm dripping sweat, no shirt on, just fucking looking gross.
• 1:19:15
  And I looked, I told I was like, dude, you look like a piece of
• 1:19:18
  ham. And I told myself I just looked
• 1:19:20
  like ham. And I was like, man, that's a
• 1:19:21
  pretty funny nickname. I was like, I'm going to call
• 1:19:23
  myself ham. And, you know, not that you're
• 1:19:26
  supposed to give yourself nicknames.
• 1:19:27
  When I went out to, they were drunk.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah, yeah. I went out to Jack and I was
• 1:19:31
  like, dude, I look like a piece of ham.
• 1:19:33
  And I was like, just fucking call me ham.
• 1:19:35
  And he loved it. He was losing his mind.
• 1:19:37
  And so he like went and told everybody's like order to start
• 1:19:39
  calling Cody Ham. And so I guess he goes to tell
• 1:19:42
  Jelly. Well, apparently from how I
• 1:19:45
  understand it is him and his manager, whatever they were
• 1:19:49
  flying into that show that day. And so they like fly in and Jack
• 1:19:54
  goes and tells Jelly like immediately he was like, Yo,
• 1:19:56
  we're Cody was hungover. You know, whatever he's you
• 1:19:59
  know, we're going to call him ham.
• 1:20:01
  And he goes, Oh, that's funny. He's like, we were actually
• 1:20:03
  thinking of a nickname for Cody on the way here and we came up
• 1:20:06
  with Pork Chop and I was like. So he comes up and he's like,
• 1:20:09
  what's up? Pork chop?
• 1:20:10
  And I was like, that's what we're doing now.
• 1:20:11
  He's like, yeah, we're doing pork chop set.
• 1:20:13
  And I was like, all right, so like normally like that will
• 1:20:17
  stay like that'll happen. And then they would like, you
• 1:20:19
  know, try to introduce it and see how it sticks around.
• 1:20:21
  And then we like created this set and it had the drum break in
• 1:20:28
  it that I've been posting on Instagram and and one day during
• 1:20:32
  like the build up, we were playing one of the Morgan Wall
• 1:20:35
  and shows and I think we're in Tampa and we're not Tampa.
• 1:20:40
  That show got cancelled. Vegas, maybe it was Vegas, I'm
• 1:20:44
  not sure. But we we were playing and Jelly
• 1:20:47
  just go during the the build up. Jelly goes, go pork chop, go
• 1:20:50
  pork chop go. And then like put the thing out
• 1:20:52
  and like the whole stadium like did it back and we kind of like
• 1:20:57
  looked at each other while I'm like playing and he's dying
• 1:21:00
  laughing and like keeps doing it.
• 1:21:02
  And then it just like now there's there's much now it's
• 1:21:07
  like there's much I dropped, I dropped a shirt and a collab
• 1:21:10
  jersey with Holy Sinner. And hopefully I kind of I want
• 1:21:13
  to do more like coming out, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:15
  But I don't know how I want to approach it or, you know, if I
• 1:21:18
  just want it to be like special releases every now and then
• 1:21:21
  because I do, I do want to do a clothing line one day, but but I
• 1:21:26
  don't know if it's going to be a pork chop line.
• 1:21:28
  Like I'll probably do a pork chop line just like in itself
• 1:21:30
  and just drop pork chop shirts every now and then.
• 1:21:32
  But I would like to actually do like an actual curling brand
• 1:21:34
  but. Here's my advice from someone
• 1:21:37
  who has a clothing brand and from someone who's given this
• 1:21:40
  advice to other people who have wanted to start a clothing line
• 1:21:44
  and have ignored my advice and that clothing line has failed
• 1:21:48
  and then they've gone. We don't understand how you sell
• 1:21:50
  so much much. Do the pork chop stuff like
• 1:21:54
  separate because you're going to soak up the Jelly roll fan base
• 1:21:59
  that want a shirt there. As long as he's cool with that.
• 1:22:02
  But your clothing line do not make it.
• 1:22:03
  No, do your fucking name. That's that's everyone asked me.
• 1:22:07
  I don't want to do a clothing line and then like my boys and
• 1:22:09
  I'm like, I'm here, like I'm open, Like I'll give you all the
• 1:22:12
  advice you want. And then like I'm thinking about
• 1:22:15
  doing this and it's like their name and I'm.
• 1:22:17
  I don't want to attach. Nothing, my brother in soaking
• 1:22:20
  like you don't no one wants like your name on a T-shirt like
• 1:22:26
  they're like they're work like it either work for you or like
• 1:22:32
  like they're at a job and that's their name tag.
• 1:22:35
  Like it just doesn't work. I don't know why people think
• 1:22:39
  they have to. I don't know.
• 1:22:41
  I think they think, well, people are going to buy it because
• 1:22:43
  they've like they like my drumming or whatever is mostly
• 1:22:46
  drummers that ask me. But like you were then setting
• 1:22:50
  the ceiling to people that like you're drumming enough to wear
• 1:22:52
  AT shirt with your name. Whereas if you just make a cool
• 1:22:55
  brand like the amount of people that don't know the downbeat is
• 1:22:57
  a podcast because they just wear the.
• 1:22:58
  Clothes. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a
• 1:23:00
  genius. I would suggest don't do a
• 1:23:03
  podcast with the same name as a clothing line because it's
• 1:23:06
  fucking confusing and like it's really hard to separate it too
• 1:23:09
  because some people don't know about the podcast and some
• 1:23:11
  people don't know about the clothes.
• 1:23:12
  But yeah, any advice you need for that?
• 1:23:14
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  No, that's that's why I was like because I, I, I did 4 designs
• 1:23:21
  like just to like test to see like what I wanted to like do
• 1:23:24
  just kind of see where, what I wanted to get out of it.
• 1:23:27
  And they had, they had my name on it.
• 1:23:30
  And when I got the test prints back, I was like, I don't like
• 1:23:33
  this. I was like, this seems like
• 1:23:34
  egotistical. Why do I want people like I
• 1:23:36
  don't, I was like, I don't like this at all.
• 1:23:37
  So I never dropped those shirts and like I never did anything
• 1:23:40
  with them. I just did.
• 1:23:42
  It was Cody. This was before pork chop
• 1:23:44
  happened. And so and that you know, I
• 1:23:46
  didn't know. And so when I got like I said,
• 1:23:48
  when I got like the four test prints of the four designs and
• 1:23:51
  it like had the IT had the company name on it that, that
• 1:23:55
  I'd made-up and then it had like my name on it.
• 1:23:58
  So I was like, oh mate, same idea.
• 1:24:00
  Maybe people won't buy it if it if they just see the company.
• 1:24:03
  And then like I said, I got the shirts back and I felt like an
• 1:24:05
  egotistical fucking loser. And I was like, I'm not going to
• 1:24:08
  do this. But the pork chop thing that's,
• 1:24:11
  you know, that's a little bit more catered to like like, you
• 1:24:14
  know, that's very yeah, it's like it's not a name and it's
• 1:24:17
  like it's a brand and it's like a little like a pig and it's
• 1:24:20
  like it's own home little thing. And so like that's why I I like
• 1:24:23
  doing that. But I would I wouldn't make that
• 1:24:26
  like a clothing line brand like that would be just like special
• 1:24:30
  drops for like, you know, people that support me and support
• 1:24:33
  Jelly Roll and like that that whole thing.
• 1:24:35
  But I want to do, like you said, an actual brand that's
• 1:24:38
  completely separate from anything to do with me where I'm
• 1:24:40
  not even attached to it. It's just something that where I
• 1:24:43
  I would would hopefully want to get.
• 1:24:45
  Possible investors. And there might be people that
• 1:24:47
  don't fuck with you. Yeah, in fact.
• 1:24:49
  And like, they're still wet. It's the same with my ride.
• 1:24:52
  There's definitely people that don't fuck with me to play with
• 1:24:53
  my ride. Yeah, because it's fucking sick.
• 1:24:56
  Yeah, it's fucking sick, but like.
• 1:24:58
  The thank you for talking about way more you play my ride in
• 1:25:03
  front of more people than you and Andy Hurley play my ride in
• 1:25:08
  front of more people than anyone else.
• 1:25:10
  I. Live by that fucking ride.
• 1:25:11
  I love that you I live by. Have you got the new one yet?
• 1:25:14
  You still got the just. The concept still rocking the
• 1:25:16
  concept. Get the one with the K on it.
• 1:25:17
  It looks nicer the K. Well, it's AK now.
• 1:25:20
  I did not know that. It's and now it's in the K,
• 1:25:23
  Yeah. Yeah, they they so when I so
• 1:25:25
  when I got the symbol, I was actually at Zildjian and Eric
• 1:25:29
  was telling me about how they were going to like it was doing.
• 1:25:32
  It did so good that they put it into their actual series.
• 1:25:35
  It's a Congrats on that. That's crazy.
• 1:25:38
  It's the K projection ride which is the same.
• 1:25:41
  This goes back to the same thing business wise, right as I'm not
• 1:25:45
  doing a merch company with your name on it.
• 1:25:47
  Like it's just the K projection ride.
• 1:25:49
  People that don't know who I am, who don't like me or don't know
• 1:25:51
  that you didn't even know that it was in there.
• 1:25:53
  We'll go into a store and go, that's cool and play it and then
• 1:25:56
  go, that's sick. I'm going to buy it.
• 1:25:57
  And then they'll find out who makes it and be like, that guy's
• 1:26:00
  an idiot, but it's right sick. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:26:03
  But like the same thing. Like I like to separate myself,
• 1:26:06
  especially with like stage flight as well.
• 1:26:08
  Like I separate myself from these things.
• 1:26:12
  I think the feeling is so low, especially with drumming.
• 1:26:15
  Like if you try and just I want to market this to drummers and
• 1:26:18
  then. It's, I mean, Travis Barker did
• 1:26:20
  the same thing, you know, I'm saying it, but the only thing
• 1:26:22
  that he included himself on in with with Famous was just him
• 1:26:25
  modelling the shit. And the old collab that says his
• 1:26:29
  name on it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:30
  But I mean, but for the most part, the famous shirts that you
• 1:26:32
  were seeing in zoomies and you know, Pacsun or whatever, like
• 1:26:36
  none of them were attached to it.
• 1:26:37
  So if you were just a, a normal dude that didn't listen to pop
• 1:26:40
  punk, you see a I mean, dude, there was like hip hop dudes
• 1:26:42
  wearing famous shirts before they knew that Travis Barker.
• 1:26:45
  Exists. So my biggest regret is not
• 1:26:48
  doing a different name for the clothing line.
• 1:26:50
  But then I don't know if it would have popped up the thing.
• 1:26:53
  And you know what actually the thing I regret the most?
• 1:26:56
  The the downbeat. Why do you regret that?
• 1:26:59
  There's only one other clothing line that I can think of with a
• 1:27:04
  the in the clothing line, and that's where the confusion is,
• 1:27:07
  which is the hundreds, which is that's where the confusion is
• 1:27:11
  where people like I think it's just a podcast or whatever.
• 1:27:13
  So I if you look most of the downbeat merch just.
• 1:27:16
  Just as downbeat, yeah. So like in my head, it's two
• 1:27:19
  separate things. The Downbeat is the podcast.
• 1:27:22
  Downbeat is the Climbing is the climbing.
• 1:27:24
  Yeah, it's kind of fucking. Weird, I can see we I don't I
• 1:27:27
  don't know if it would cause much like it does, but I can
• 1:27:30
  understand what you're. Saying with design it does.
• 1:27:32
  You think, Oh yeah, if you're putting the yeah, it's.
• 1:27:35
  So fucking annoying. Yeah, stick burn.
• 1:27:38
  So I'll take it out most. On your web?
• 1:27:40
  On your web, do you you have a downbeat like only website,
• 1:27:43
  right? Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  Is the URL the the? The downbeat E dot AT So it
• 1:27:49
  spells downbeat. Yeah, that's the whole thing.
• 1:27:52
  And you click there and it's like US store, UK store,
• 1:27:54
  podcast. So it is separate.
• 1:27:56
  And I think over the last two years I have managed to make it
• 1:28:01
  apparent that it is a brand that has a podcast, not podcast
• 1:28:06
  merge. Do you want to know how well I
• 1:28:08
  think you did with it is I saw this, these these designs.
• 1:28:14
  I saw people wearing these didn't know that it was the
• 1:28:17
  podcast, didn't know that you were even affiliated with that.
• 1:28:20
  I did. I had no idea that it that that
• 1:28:22
  was you because I, I think I remember seeing before, I think
• 1:28:26
  it was before I knew about the podcast or I, I can't remember
• 1:28:30
  the, the time period of it, but I remember seeing this and being
• 1:28:33
  like, damn, dude, I need to get some of those.
• 1:28:34
  Sure, that shit's fucking fire. And but not knowing that it was
• 1:28:37
  you or any kind of affiliation with it's me baby, it's, it's
• 1:28:41
  pretty damn right. That was the plan was to just
• 1:28:44
  like the same as you want to make a cloven line.
• 1:28:46
  I want to make a cloven line because I want, it's like I want
• 1:28:48
  to wear a shirt that looks like this and you're an artist.
• 1:28:51
  Now I can, yeah, Now I can make it.
• 1:28:53
  And it's like it has ruined buying other clothes for me
• 1:28:56
  because I'll go into a store and I'll see something that's like
• 1:28:59
  200 bucks and I really like it. And I'm like, look at it.
• 1:29:03
  I look at the hem, I look at the scene, I look at and I'm like,
• 1:29:06
  that's an LA Apparel G18-O one that's going to cost me 18 bucks
• 1:29:14
  plus the screen print. We're talking maybe 21 bucks.
• 1:29:16
  Like why is this 200 bucks? And then if I like to design
• 1:29:18
  enough, I'll just go home and I'll be like, can't fucking rip
• 1:29:22
  that off. Just fucking pop it out there.
• 1:29:24
  No one fucking knows. But yeah, don't use your name.
• 1:29:27
  Names are exclusively for high fashion.
• 1:29:30
  Yeah, high fashion. Cole Buxton, Ralph Lauren Like
• 1:29:35
  Ralph Lauren. Laugh.
• 1:29:36
  Lauren Ralph Lauren Orange y'all wearing that Ralph?
• 1:29:42
  Lauren, he got y'all in there, y'all in there, y'all in
• 1:29:47
  Tennessee sitting there now. Thanks mate, we need to do your
• 1:29:50
  two truths and a liar as we're going to be here all fucking
• 1:29:52
  day. Dude, I'll be here all day.
• 1:29:53
  Did. You do it.
• 1:29:54
  We can't. We can't because not enough
• 1:29:55
  people. I did.
• 1:29:56
  I did. 3 Truths and a lie. Is have you definitely give me a
• 1:30:00
  lie in there though. Yeah, thank God because everyone
• 1:30:02
  always gives me 3 and it is funny, but they're always all
• 1:30:06
  true. No, I got, I got one.
• 1:30:08
  That's a lie. You need to pee or anything
• 1:30:10
  before I do this. You sure this is your pee hours?
• 1:30:13
  Guess about 1-1 hour for Ian. She starts soaking.
• 1:30:19
  Leave it like, leave it in. We got to get out, we got to go
• 1:30:21
  leave it in so quick. 33 Truths and a lie.
• 1:30:25
  Yeah, OK. All right.
• 1:30:27
  You're going to reel them all off and then we're going to come
• 1:30:29
  back. I'm going to come back and pick
• 1:30:30
  them. Up Yeah, yeah, I reel them all
• 1:30:31
  off all right I was kicked out and banned from Resorts World
• 1:30:35
  Casino in Las Vegas while I live in Kentucky on his come up on my
• 1:30:40
  like when I was younger but before he was anything I'd I'd
• 1:30:42
  actually played drums for Jack Holler for a little bit and then
• 1:30:46
  when he went to Atlanta was when I started touring with my local
• 1:30:49
  band. So I stopped playing with him
• 1:30:52
  and then my first ever band was a hair metal band that we wore
• 1:30:57
  makeup and zebra pants. Did the whole 9 yards Rd.
• 1:30:59
  originals on my first tour ever. I went to my first strip club
• 1:31:05
  and I got a lap dance and was taken advantage of without
• 1:31:12
  knowing that I was getting taken advantage.
• 1:31:15
  But like not in like a bad way. Obviously I was, I wanted it.
• 1:31:18
  This was very consensual, I just didn't know about the payment
• 1:31:22
  after. OK, wow, I feel like I want to
• 1:31:28
  start with that one. How old are you?
• 1:31:31
  Like 18 or. 1918 or 19? What?
• 1:31:34
  What city? New Orleans.
• 1:31:36
  Wow, what a club. Do you remember the name of the
• 1:31:39
  club? Oh dude, I think it's called
• 1:31:41
  stilettos. It doesn't.
• 1:31:43
  It doesn't exist anymore. Yeah.
• 1:31:46
  It doesn't exist anymore. I used to go pay homage to it
• 1:31:48
  when I passed through New Orleans, OK, It was so
• 1:31:51
  legendary, man. This, this.
• 1:31:53
  Obviously, this one is true. OK, so now if you.
• 1:31:57
  Say you were taken advantage of. It went further than a dance.
• 1:32:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like it was my first time
• 1:32:04
  ever at a strip club and me and one of the I didn't, I didn't
• 1:32:09
  know anything about strip clubs my first time.
• 1:32:10
  I was like night. I was a teenager.
• 1:32:11
  I was on my first tour. I was excited.
• 1:32:13
  It was a brothel. No, no, no, no.
• 1:32:14
  I thought it was a strip club. I didn't know that it was going
• 1:32:18
  to turn it. You didn't know it was an
• 1:32:20
  illegal strip? Club And so I go to get this
• 1:32:24
  woman and I was she's on stage and she keeps staring at me and
• 1:32:26
  so I was like. That's what they do, bro.
• 1:32:28
  Yeah. No, I didn't know, man.
• 1:32:29
  I was like Dean. I was.
• 1:32:30
  Kidding. I think she likes me.
• 1:32:31
  So so I got. Really.
• 1:32:33
  Madison's fucking claws. And she was older.
• 1:32:36
  She was older. And so I go over there and we
• 1:32:38
  start talking. She's like, what are you doing
• 1:32:40
  here? I was like, oh, like this, You
• 1:32:41
  know, I'm on my first tour. It's my first time in a strip
• 1:32:43
  club I bought. She was like.
• 1:32:44
  Give me her accent. She was like, oh, I don't even
• 1:32:47
  remember her accent. She was like, oh, honey, that's
• 1:32:50
  so cute. You're on tour.
• 1:32:51
  Oh, my God, you're on tour. Yeah.
• 1:32:53
  And I was like, I mean, I was like, yeah.
• 1:32:55
  I mean, not like, I was like, I booked it.
• 1:32:56
  I was like, it's nothing crazy. Like.
• 1:32:58
  And she was like, oh, that's so cool.
• 1:33:00
  So you're like in a band. And I was like, yes.
• 1:33:02
  Fuck that, I'm getting bricked. Keep going, keep going, and.
• 1:33:06
  She was like, she was like, well, let me give you lap dance.
• 1:33:08
  And I was like, I, I was like, Yo, I don't have any more money.
• 1:33:11
  I was like, I spent it on beer and whatever.
• 1:33:13
  I was like, I, I have money in the ATM.
• 1:33:16
  I was like, but I'd have to go get it.
• 1:33:17
  She was like, well, I'll just, I'll give you lap dance on on
• 1:33:19
  the House. And I was like, OK.
• 1:33:20
  And so I was like, on the House. I was like, for free.
• 1:33:23
  And she was like, yeah. And I was like, all right, cool.
• 1:33:25
  Are you sure? And she went and talked to her
• 1:33:27
  manager about it. And granted, I wasn't in that
• 1:33:30
  conversation. Lovely laughs.
• 1:33:31
  So some other conversation happened, apparently.
• 1:33:34
  And so we get back there. Obviously, I'm 19.
• 1:33:37
  I'm fucking bricked up. Yeah, right, man.
• 1:33:41
  And and standing to attention in a respectful way, you know, And
• 1:33:45
  like you know, I was. No, you're allowed to be bricked
• 1:33:47
  up then. That's the whole point.
• 1:33:49
  And she offered, she was like, do you want to do more?
• 1:33:54
  And I was like, well, yeah. And so, OK, continue.
• 1:33:58
  Well, you know, he pulls it out. You boink though.
• 1:34:02
  Yep, full boink. Full boink.
• 1:34:04
  And little 19 year old Cody just just getting.
• 1:34:09
  Not even like a hand job, just. Straight to it.
• 1:34:12
  Nothing. Curtain closed.
• 1:34:13
  Curtain. Curtain was already closed.
• 1:34:15
  It was. It was legend.
• 1:34:16
  It was legendary. Did you wear protection?
• 1:34:18
  No. Oh my.
• 1:34:20
  God, yeah, it was a very crazy. Flew very close to the sun.
• 1:34:27
  It was, it was, like I said, it's a story.
• 1:34:30
  It's a story. It's actually the first time
• 1:34:31
  I've ever talked about it publicly too so.
• 1:34:33
  It's not bad. I mean, I've talked about it
• 1:34:36
  with my friends because it's just really funny looking back.
• 1:34:39
  OK, how long until you knotted? Oh, dude, like 30 seconds, 3040
• 1:34:44
  seconds. I was like, what is happening?
• 1:34:46
  Yeah, the worst part was that she did it on my pants, so I had
• 1:34:52
  to walk out of the room with. She did it.
• 1:34:54
  She she was like, let me know when you're about to and I was.
• 1:34:57
  Like, all right, so at least you pulled out.
• 1:34:59
  Yeah. So.
• 1:35:00
  Yeah. So she.
• 1:35:01
  Got up and fucking put it on my fucking jeans dude and I had to
• 1:35:04
  walk back out in the strip club with shit on my.
• 1:35:06
  Jeans, I don't think you're in the room.
• 1:35:08
  I don't think she's in the wrong way, I think that's a huge
• 1:35:12
  problem. So it might be, it might be so
• 1:35:14
  you know, I'll take, you know, I'll take the hell on it.
• 1:35:15
  Anyway, she finished me and I went on to my jeans from her
• 1:35:19
  directional. Yeah.
• 1:35:21
  Anyway, sorry, but after we were finished I was like, oh shit.
• 1:35:24
  And she goes, she's like, that'll be $30.
• 1:35:29
  Fucking cheat though, to be fair.
• 1:35:31
  And I was, she was like, can you go to the ATM?
• 1:35:32
  And I was like. What that's like, that's like.
• 1:35:36
  Dog, I wish I cannot I cannot make this up bro I'm not making
• 1:35:40
  there's two whole bands that witness that can fucking 30
• 1:35:44
  bucks 30 bucks and so I why did I say like you?
• 1:35:48
  I said thirty 3030 bucks, 30 bucks in our fucking.
• 1:35:53
  She turned security guard and walked outside.
• 1:35:55
  I ran across the street to ATM, got 30 bucks out, came back
• 1:35:58
  candid to her and got the band and I was getting a phone call
• 1:36:01
  that our van was getting towed and dude it was madness.
• 1:36:05
  The fact it was $30 is like. Legendary.
• 1:36:10
  Worrying. It was very worrying.
• 1:36:12
  I got tested. Immediately, I was going to say.
• 1:36:14
  Oh, immediately when I got. Home how many 30 bucks fucking
• 1:36:18
  full sex is is she doing? I don't know, but at the end of
• 1:36:22
  the day I was dude. First tour, first strip club.
• 1:36:27
  What a story. Madison.
• 1:36:31
  And I was clean. I was clean.
• 1:36:32
  That's the only thing that makes the story cool, is that I went
• 1:36:34
  home, I got tested and I was clean.
• 1:36:35
  Madison Are you allowed to do that in a strip club?
• 1:36:37
  No. No, not at all.
• 1:36:40
  Does it? Does it happen behind closed
• 1:36:43
  doors? Yes, all the time, Yes.
• 1:36:45
  Madison's got experience here. Yes, all I've worked at a strip
• 1:36:49
  club. Look.
• 1:36:50
  At YouTube. You have experience?
• 1:36:52
  Yeah, it does. You have to be like one of the
• 1:36:55
  bouncers of the like the owner's favourites so they can get like
• 1:36:58
  the room without the cameras. But it does happen.
• 1:37:01
  Wow, there's. A lot of clubs that know about
• 1:37:03
  it. Are they all 30 bucks?
• 1:37:07
  That's fucking crazy. OK, there's well, I think we've
• 1:37:10
  just stabbed. That one's true.
• 1:37:11
  Yeah, that one's, yeah. OK, so I couldn't stop laughing
• 1:37:15
  when I was getting that one out. I almost didn't tell it because
• 1:37:18
  I knew I wasn't going to be able to.
• 1:37:19
  OK, but you had two other ones? Did you say Jack Harlow?
• 1:37:22
  Yeah. You grew up.
• 1:37:23
  I didn't grow up with him, but he was coming up in the
• 1:37:25
  Louisville scene when I was in my local band, so.
• 1:37:28
  I don't know where he's from. He's from Louisville.
• 1:37:30
  So you played for him? Yeah, I just played like he used
• 1:37:33
  to play like down in Spinelli's a little bit and I went and
• 1:37:36
  played like a couple of shows when he would do some rap gigs.
• 1:37:39
  You played the drums while he. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:41
  So it would be like me, him and the DJ or well, he, well, you
• 1:37:44
  know what? However, he would play his
• 1:37:46
  tracks. What year was this?
• 1:37:47
  This was like 09 to 2000. I played a couple of shows with
• 1:37:53
  him between 09 and 2011. When did it stop?
• 1:37:57
  Stopped in 2011, 2000. Why did it stop?
• 1:38:00
  Oh, just because my local band started touring, my metal band
• 1:38:03
  started touring, and he moved to Atlanta.
• 1:38:06
  And Jack Harlow's a nobody at this point.
• 1:38:07
  Yeah, he's, he's like still super small.
• 1:38:09
  He released like a couple, He released like one or two albums
• 1:38:13
  and then he ended up going to Atlanta to start writing and he
• 1:38:17
  lived down there for a little bit and that's when he got
• 1:38:19
  noticed and came back to Little One.
• 1:38:21
  Fucking popped off. And did he have a different
• 1:38:23
  drama by that point? No, I don't think he was just
• 1:38:26
  using tracks. I don't think he was using a
• 1:38:28
  drummer down in Atlanta. You never got the cold.
• 1:38:30
  No, no, he ended up using this dude named Jordan who's.
• 1:38:35
  Fucking nuts. Did he have a nickname for you?
• 1:38:37
  No, it was just Cody. Nothing crazy, nothing crazy.
• 1:38:41
  No, and like I say, it was like this is like back in the day.
• 1:38:43
  So we weren't like, we were like, shit, I'm.
• 1:38:45
  Going to come back to this one. Yeah.
• 1:38:46
  Banned from where? In Las Vegas.
• 1:38:49
  The Resorts Casino Hotel. OK, what happened?
• 1:38:54
  I got caught doing some things in the club.
• 1:38:57
  Fucking sex workers or in the club.
• 1:39:01
  In the club. Did you hurt your nose?
• 1:39:03
  You. Tried to.
• 1:39:05
  You tried to hurt your nose. Someone, someone caught you
• 1:39:08
  hurting your nose. Yeah, we got caught and.
• 1:39:10
  Then what they banned? How do they enforce the ban
• 1:39:13
  like? 18 security guards came up to me
• 1:39:16
  and dragged us out to get arrested.
• 1:39:18
  Were you staying there or just hanging out?
• 1:39:20
  I was staying there. Did you have to get a different
• 1:39:21
  hotel? Yeah.
• 1:39:22
  What hotel did you get? Treasure Island.
• 1:39:25
  Treasure Island. Straight to treasure.
• 1:39:26
  Island so quick that I know this one's true, right?
• 1:39:31
  And we go. Whoa, whoa, I'm coming back.
• 1:39:35
  What year was that? This was.
• 1:39:37
  Last year. Last year.
• 1:39:39
  Last last I think it was between spring and summer.
• 1:39:44
  How did they catch you? We did it in the middle of the
• 1:39:47
  club. All right, OK.
• 1:39:49
  Just. You can bleep out that what it
• 1:39:51
  was. Everyone knows what it was.
• 1:39:54
  It hurt your nose. You had an American Express
• 1:39:57
  involved somewhere, and what was the other?
• 1:40:02
  What was the third? My brains only capable of
• 1:40:04
  remembering 3. What was the 3rd truth or a lie?
• 1:40:07
  That my first band was a hair metal bands.
• 1:40:09
  Oh yeah? What were you called?
• 1:40:12
  A bullet. Bullet.
• 1:40:13
  Yeah, after the county that we raised in.
• 1:40:15
  Boom. Out of that county we raised in
• 1:40:19
  the mud part, Bullet. The mud part.
• 1:40:23
  I'm wearing zebra pants. Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  I wasn't. You were wearing zebra pants.
• 1:40:27
  What was the makeup? It was like eyeliner, eyeshadow,
• 1:40:33
  blush, concealer. Hand metal, but like 20 years
• 1:40:37
  too late. 30 years too late. Way too late.
• 1:40:39
  I was like in 8th grade. Yeah, the hand that was still
• 1:40:42
  lives ten. I can see it.
• 1:40:45
  What was Bullets biggest song called?
• 1:40:47
  Oh, we'd never recorded anything.
• 1:40:48
  You never recorded. The one, the one that everyone
• 1:40:51
  knew in our town was sex, drugs and Rock'n'roll.
• 1:40:55
  Wow, this is bad. Sex, Drugs and Rock'n'roll by
• 1:40:59
  bullet from 2 separate stories later on.
• 1:41:04
  So maybe I'm I'm going to say Jack Harlow is the lie.
• 1:41:09
  Jack Harlow is the lie. Hell yeah, everything else is
• 1:41:11
  true. I thought I had No, there was a
• 1:41:14
  few. Tales.
• 1:41:16
  Waited too long. For a response.
• 1:41:17
  Yeah, there was a few. Tales, but then also I know you
• 1:41:20
  so the other three I was. Just yeah, obviously that
• 1:41:22
  happened. Damn.
• 1:41:24
  It. That's fucking sick.
• 1:41:26
  Good for you. What was the What was the
• 1:41:29
  stripper called? I think her name was Rain, Rain.
• 1:41:32
  Rain or Rainbow Is one of those rainbow.
• 1:41:35
  I just, I remember she was 44. And she had a.
• 1:41:37
  Damn, 44 I knew and what? I was. 19 Make of that what you
• 1:41:42
  will. That's crazy.
• 1:41:44
  It was consensual. Everyone.
• 1:41:46
  I mean, yeah. Obviously 44, I just didn't.
• 1:41:49
  Know I was going to have to pay for it.
• 1:41:51
  I mean, you barely paid for it. I know that's less.
• 1:41:54
  Than a phone but at that time. Like 30 bucks is a lot man.
• 1:41:56
  I was like 2 meals of Taco Bell. Yeah, but how much I mean?
• 1:41:59
  How much? Were you fucking back then?
• 1:42:01
  Not at all. Girls never wanted so.
• 1:42:03
  You would have you would have done 30 bucks.
• 1:42:06
  Yeah, if she was set 30 bucks off the.
• 1:42:08
  Cuff, I would have been like, yeah, go to ATM right now Yeah
• 1:42:11
  for. Sure, absolutely.
• 1:42:12
  You got you got misses now. No, no, she left in February.
• 1:42:17
  Oh. I'm sorry.
• 1:42:19
  Cut that out. Oh, no, it's funny.
• 1:42:20
  You leave it in there. Whatever.
• 1:42:21
  OK. It's it's real.
• 1:42:23
  That's what happened. What are you doing now, man?
• 1:42:25
  Just smashing. No man, I'm just.
• 1:42:27
  I mean you still want this, not I mean.
• 1:42:32
  Yeah, I mean, I'm just. This is the first time I've been
• 1:42:34
  single one, you know, nine years.
• 1:42:36
  I had like 2-4 year relationships and then me and my
• 1:42:38
  ex were together for a year and a half and yes.
• 1:42:42
  And, and now this is the first time that I've just ever, I've
• 1:42:46
  been to myself and been able to like, do you know the things I
• 1:42:49
  want without having to think about, you know, someone else's,
• 1:42:56
  you know, communication needs or like being on the road and
• 1:43:00
  stuff. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:43:01
  Like having to make sure that I'm like on my phone.
• 1:43:03
  Like keeping up with. And letting people know.
• 1:43:06
  Where I'm going and, and, and it's the first time that I've
• 1:43:09
  just like been able to be like, oh, I want to do this.
• 1:43:12
  Like I don't have to ask for permission to do this.
• 1:43:14
  You know, like if I want to say I want to go to a club, like I
• 1:43:17
  don't have to let someone know I'm going to sell back to the
• 1:43:20
  New Orleans club 30 bucks. You do it once a month.
• 1:43:24
  That's still less than a phone bill if depending on your plan.
• 1:43:30
  Yeah, once a week. Honestly, get yourself to the
• 1:43:32
  get yourself to a club. Grab one of those.
• 1:43:34
  Why I did fucking awesome. Dude, I I.
• 1:43:38
  Working at the strip club dude, The thing is is like I I like
• 1:43:40
  love just the. Environments of strip clubs,
• 1:43:43
  like, yeah, they're awesome. The aesthetic of like, like,
• 1:43:48
  because hair metal was my favorite.
• 1:43:49
  I was going to say bullet, bro. Yeah, he came up in Bullet.
• 1:43:53
  In fact, hair metal is my favorite genre.
• 1:43:55
  Of music at all. Of all.
• 1:43:56
  Time and like I. Just really loved the whole
• 1:43:58
  like. Rockstar and like strip club,
• 1:44:01
  like aesthetic and like, you know, Mötley Crüe girls, girls,
• 1:44:04
  girls music video. I don't know, I just I just
• 1:44:06
  always like that and I'm sorry to meet a burp, but so I like
• 1:44:10
  strip, you know, then I worked in a strip club and so it's like
• 1:44:12
  I'm just completely unfazed by I mean this in the least, like the
• 1:44:18
  only in case anyone hasn't noticed there is.
• 1:44:20
  A stripper in the room, but like the elephant in the room, the
• 1:44:23
  stripper in the room. Like I mean this in the nicest
• 1:44:29
  least derogatory way but like I just fuck with strippers.
• 1:44:33
  Like not like that, but just the musician stripper dynamic even
• 1:44:40
  not like relationship wise in terms of like how you view the
• 1:44:44
  world, late fucking nights dealing with people you don't
• 1:44:48
  want to deal with being fucking tired, party atmosphere, like
• 1:44:52
  it's very, very similar. Although there are loads and
• 1:44:55
  loads of women in heavy music and music in general or
• 1:44:58
  whatever. But like it's almost like the
• 1:45:02
  girl stripper is like the boy rocker, you know what I mean?
• 1:45:08
  Obviously girls can be rockers and there are many of them in
• 1:45:12
  terms of like, I know it's an easy hangout.
• 1:45:15
  I know, yeah, the, I mean, it's a, it's a similar atmosphere and
• 1:45:18
  similar lifestyle, you know, 9. Times out of 10 if they if they
• 1:45:22
  weren't, no offence to you, but like if they.
• 1:45:26
  Weren't like some clubs are really, really hustlery and I
• 1:45:30
  fucking hate that because I I like you.
• 1:45:32
  I like the aesthetic. I like the bar.
• 1:45:34
  Oh, it's fucking open. Real fucking late.
• 1:45:36
  I want to go and get drinks. Yeah, in a lot of clubs, yeah.
• 1:45:40
  It's not going to happen. You're just going to get hustled
• 1:45:42
  continuously because you're going to say like, hey, I'm just
• 1:45:45
  here hanging out. Admittedly, why I'm in your
• 1:45:47
  fucking club if I'm just hanging out, but it's the only place
• 1:45:49
  fucking open, especially in America.
• 1:45:51
  Like, you want to get a drink at 3:00 AM, your choice is a
• 1:45:54
  fucking strip club. That's it for me personally.
• 1:45:56
  Like if I do something like that, like I I'll, I'll let it
• 1:46:00
  be known, like I'll. I'll go to the club and, and if
• 1:46:02
  a girl come, like approaches me to like sit down and talk, I'll
• 1:46:05
  be like, hey, I just want to let you know, like I am here just to
• 1:46:09
  have drinks, just to kick it. I'd love to sit and chat with
• 1:46:11
  you. And if like someone like if they
• 1:46:13
  like sit and just kick it, like roll out, I'll pull out money.
• 1:46:16
  Like I won't go to the tip rail and pull out money.
• 1:46:18
  Like I'll, I'll pull out money and like go put it on the stage
• 1:46:22
  or like give it to someone and just be like, I'm like, yo, you
• 1:46:25
  don't have to take, you don't have to do anything.
• 1:46:26
  Like just I'm just here to drink and chill.
• 1:46:28
  You know what I'm saying? Madison's laughing because it's
• 1:46:31
  literally how we met. Yeah, like, you know what?
• 1:46:34
  I'm saying my boys going fucking crazy, you seem.
• 1:46:37
  Cool, like if you want to. Just have an easy night, sit
• 1:46:41
  here, hang out with me, have a couple of drinks.
• 1:46:43
  And then I like skipped, like she was doing shit.
• 1:46:45
  Exactly. But I didn't get her to do any
• 1:46:46
  shit. No, Yeah, You just like, it's
• 1:46:48
  like, that's just for the time. That's like, you go to a strip
• 1:46:50
  club. Like you got a strip club.
• 1:46:51
  You. You.
• 1:46:52
  Go in there, understand that mother fuckers are working,
• 1:46:54
  yeah? Like.
• 1:46:55
  You can't just walk in there and like, Oh yeah, I'm not walking
• 1:46:57
  in with no, no, not you. But like, like mother fuckers do
• 1:47:00
  like people do that and. If I'm being a strip club, I'm
• 1:47:03
  tipping but. Like I'm not getting a fucking
• 1:47:04
  dance. It's like I'm I'm trying to hang
• 1:47:06
  out with people, but. I'm not getting a fucking
• 1:47:07
  dollar. I mean I don't mind getting a
• 1:47:09
  dance every now and then but I I personally hate it like the
• 1:47:12
  majority. Majority of the time I'm I'm if
• 1:47:15
  I go. It's like I'm just like,
• 1:47:17
  chilling. Like I don't really go for any
• 1:47:19
  other reason. I don't ever go for a dance
• 1:47:21
  though. Like I have to like be kicking
• 1:47:23
  it with someone and like really vibe with someone and be like,
• 1:47:25
  hey, you know what, let's yeah, we'll go do it.
• 1:47:27
  The song or two, you know, I feel like I just, I don't know,
• 1:47:32
  just. And get bricked up.
• 1:47:34
  And it's like now what? I'm not in New Orleans.
• 1:47:37
  I haven't got 30 bucks. I'm not in New Orleans.
• 1:47:39
  Do you know what I mean? I'm not bricked up.
• 1:47:40
  Now what? I'd rather get bricked.
• 1:47:42
  Up and be like do. You want to move to Nashville?
• 1:47:47
  That's what we know. Oh, we're going to run out of
• 1:47:49
  camera time, so we're done. I'm sorry.
• 1:47:50
  I love you. This has been fucking great.
• 1:47:52
  Let's be. We're fucking neighbors now.
• 1:47:53
  Here we are. Yeah, I I'll be.
• 1:47:57
  Dude I'll be home for like 3 weeks after the 20. 6th Just
• 1:48:00
  when I leave. SO how long are you going?
• 1:48:02
  You're 26th of this month. Yeah.
• 1:48:05
  Yeah, I am. On the West.
• 1:48:07
  Coast doing stray stuff, come back, we go to Cancun for a week
• 1:48:14
  and then come back then I'll go to Australia.
• 1:48:18
  So I'm back like end of August. Oh OK And then are you out
• 1:48:22
  again? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:23
  We. How many shows did you play a
• 1:48:25
  year with? With dude last year was a.
• 1:48:28
  Lot gelatin rolls. Gelatin, I want to say last year
• 1:48:31
  was like a. 170 or like 200 something.
• 1:48:38
  It was a lot this year. I have the exact number on a
• 1:48:41
  poster at home, but this year I don't know how many it was this
• 1:48:46
  year. The Post Malone tour was like 3
• 1:48:49
  months long, but it was like all the shows that were so spaced
• 1:48:52
  out, but we had so many in between.
• 1:48:54
  Shit in between shows. Yeah, I spoke to you a couple of
• 1:48:57
  fucking flying. Where are you?
• 1:48:58
  And you're like, buy a pool somewhere as I go.
• 1:49:00
  I've got to. Do ATV thing tomorrow and we.
• 1:49:02
  Got a show on the. Weekend yeah sounds sick though
• 1:49:06
  it's no it's I mean it's a it's a blessing I I couldn't be more
• 1:49:09
  grateful just some of the. Some of the travelling is
• 1:49:11
  exhausting, but obviously like it's just a part of it and
• 1:49:13
  that's just what it comes with it.
• 1:49:15
  On a bus at least. No, probably.
• 1:49:17
  We're like, dude, there was yo, there was by the plane, no.
• 1:49:20
  No. Well.
• 1:49:21
  Technically, but it's like a 60 seater private like bro that we
• 1:49:26
  can get off after this but we. The first fucking.
• 1:49:30
  To start this tour, we flew to we flew to Los Angeles and then
• 1:49:36
  I wouldn't. Then we I went and played Summer
• 1:49:38
  Slam or some WWE thing with Jelly in Vegas.
• 1:49:41
  So we flew to LA. Me and two of the other members
• 1:49:45
  flew with Jelly to Vegas and then we flew back to LA.
• 1:49:47
  Had a week of rehearsals for Stagecoach, Played Stagecoach
• 1:49:51
  flew to Vegas or no sorry, played Stagecoach flew to Utah,
• 1:49:56
  played. The first show of the tour, the
• 1:49:59
  post tour in Utah. Flew from soaking, did some
• 1:50:02
  soaking, flew from Utah to Miami, played.
• 1:50:05
  Played. A private event.
• 1:50:07
  For F1 at 12:00 in the morning and then or for Carbone at 12:00
• 1:50:11
  in the morning and then 12 in the morning is not a time dude.
• 1:50:15
  Or midnight. 12 Midnight played. Wow.
• 1:50:18
  OK, yeah, because I didn't know what you meant.
• 1:50:19
  Played this private. Private.
• 1:50:21
  Party for Carbone for the F1. Races and then.
• 1:50:24
  Flew from Miami to Vegas, played the show in Vegas and off on
• 1:50:30
  like 3 hours of sleep. Yeah, it's straight straight.
• 1:50:32
  So from from from Utah to Miami to Vegas, these are all.
• 1:50:36
  Straight in a row. So I went from Utah.
• 1:50:38
  Miami. Vegas.
• 1:50:40
  Vegas. After we got off stage of Vegas,
• 1:50:42
  we got back on the charter, flew to Tampa, got there at like 9 or
• 1:50:48
  like we got there like ten, 10:30 in the morning, then we
• 1:50:50
  had to go run a 5. K with.
• 1:50:52
  Jelly 'cause he to you know, we were supporting him, doing his
• 1:50:55
  on his this thing. So we all went and ran the 5K on
• 1:50:58
  like 2 hours of sleep and then went and slept for an hour and
• 1:51:00
  then went and headlined the festival, got off stage, got to
• 1:51:05
  sleep in the hotel room that night.
• 1:51:06
  But then that night found out that we had to learn 20 songs
• 1:51:09
  for what was supposed to be an off day the next day but ended
• 1:51:12
  up being a 9:00 PM rehearsal. 20 Yes, we got handed 20 songs to
• 1:51:16
  learn by rehearsals the next day at. 9:00 PM.
• 1:51:19
  Where were these songs? Coming from because we were
• 1:51:20
  doing catalog no. So these were this was.
• 1:51:24
  Every year for. The Cmas Jelly is doing well
• 1:51:31
  from what I understand he's doing Jelly and friends at Billy
• 1:51:33
  Bob's Down in Texas, which is like a really famous country
• 1:51:37
  music venue in Texas. Like Super.
• 1:51:39
  It's like a legendary place. Take that whole sentence out of
• 1:51:42
  context, it sounds like a joke. Jelly and friends at.
• 1:51:46
  Billy Bob's, Yeah, literally. So like what it is is like all
• 1:51:50
  these artists that are in town for the.
• 1:51:52
  Cmas come through and like we do one or two of their songs and
• 1:51:56
  but we didn't know that any other artists were coming until
• 1:52:00
  that night that we got off stage in Tampa, got handed 20 songs
• 1:52:03
  and we were supposed to have the off day in Dallas, but then they
• 1:52:06
  scheduled a rehearsal at Billy Bob's for Dallas.
• 1:52:09
  So then we fly the next morning to Dallas, get into the hotel,
• 1:52:13
  get like 2 hours of rest, go to rehearse from 9:00 to 2:00 AM,
• 1:52:17
  wake up at 9:00 AM the next morning to drive an hour to ACM
• 1:52:22
  rehearsals in another part of Texas.
• 1:52:24
  Drive back to rehearsals from six or from 3:00 to 6:00 and
• 1:52:29
  then the show started at Billy Bob.
• 1:52:31
  So had to had those songs learned by that night.
• 1:52:34
  Played the show of Billy Bob's. Woke up the next morning, went
• 1:52:36
  to San Antonio, I'm tired for you, Went to San Antonio, played
• 1:52:40
  the post tour and then went from there.
• 1:52:43
  To Frisco, TX to do. The ACM Awards and then we had
• 1:52:45
  an off day that was just one of the like one of the weeks and
• 1:52:49
  then we had another one that it was like a five day stretch like
• 1:52:51
  that with all that traveling as someone that's on a salary and
• 1:52:55
  not per show. Does that make it harder to do?
• 1:53:00
  Because it's not like this is the grind?
• 1:53:02
  Because sometimes I imagine because you're on a salary a
• 1:53:05
  month is fucking easy. Like does it, does that burn you
• 1:53:09
  out doing all that stuff? No, I mean I've, I mean it
• 1:53:13
  obviously like there's the, IT will, it can be burning.
• 1:53:17
  It can't burn you out. Like I'm not going to lie, I was
• 1:53:19
  exhausted like we all were. We all shot after that like 9
• 1:53:22
  days like adventure or whatever that was.
• 1:53:24
  But you know, it was. But at the same time, we also
• 1:53:28
  know that that's like going to be part of it and like something
• 1:53:31
  like comes with it. So it's like there's there's
• 1:53:33
  days like those days where like salary is is kind of like damn,
• 1:53:38
  like it doesn't seem like, you know, because if it was like a
• 1:53:42
  day rate, like I'm getting paid every day for like half is that,
• 1:53:45
  yeah, my reason for saying it is just like we have Australia
• 1:53:48
  coming up and it's very similar travel.
• 1:53:49
  And all that stuff but I know how much money we're getting
• 1:53:51
  paid so I'm like we are fucking going to make bank and that will
• 1:53:56
  make the hell worth it. I was just wondering if if your
• 1:53:59
  money is spread out through the year, if it weighs on you.
• 1:54:04
  Sometimes when the work seems like a lot, it can.
• 1:54:07
  And then I have to remember that, like when I'm not touring,
• 1:54:10
  I have that benefit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:54:12
  Like I have that benefit and it's like, so it's like, wow,
• 1:54:15
  that'll seem like a lot's happening.
• 1:54:17
  And it's like I, I, I don't want to say not for nothing, but it,
• 1:54:20
  it like it, it seems like all these things are happening and
• 1:54:23
  like, you know, there's the same pay, but then there's like times
• 1:54:25
  where we're not doing anything. Yeah, you do 3 shows in a month
• 1:54:28
  and you're going to get the same thing.
• 1:54:29
  So it's like it's, it's beneficial in both ways.
• 1:54:31
  And I think it's also beneficial.
• 1:54:32
  To like the company because. You know they can save money.
• 1:54:36
  Yeah, doing salary. And you know what I'm saying?
• 1:54:38
  Sick. Good for you.
• 1:54:39
  We need to go because the cameras are going to run out if
• 1:54:42
  you want episodes that are longer than this.
• 1:54:44
  Subscribe to the Patreon because the episodes aren't longer on
• 1:54:47
  the Patreon, but I need to buy the cards for the cameras and
• 1:54:52
  they cost 300 bucks each. Yeah, only four of them.
• 1:54:55
  So more people on the Patreon, We don't have to cut these
• 1:54:57
  short. Thank you.
• 1:54:59
  Thank you so much. Love you.
• 1:55:00
  Love you, bro. Thank you for having me.
• 1:55:01
  Thank you guys for having me.