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Unlocking Worlds by Making Language Learning Fun with Carolina Bongers | Ep. 134 · Women Disrupting Tech

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  Welcome to Women Disrupting Tech.
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  My name is dear Kanupkas, and on this podcast, I give the women
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  who work in tech the platform they need to inspire and empower
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  each other. Join me on a journey into the
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  world of entrepreneurship, funding biases, and role models
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  to discover the strategies for success in the tech industry.
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  In other words, how women can disrupt tech.
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  Are you ready to listen? Hey, welcome back to women
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  disrupting tech. I wish you an awesome 2026 and
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  thank you for tuning in to episode 134.
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  For today's conversation, I'm joined by Carolina Boners.
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  Carolina is the Co founder of Jungle the Bungle, a language
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  app that helps young children learn new languages.
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  Carolina's ambition goes beyond teaching words though.
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  She wants to unlock worlds that would otherwise remain invisible
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  to them. In this episode of Women
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  Disrupting Tech, Carolina and I talk about her journey as a
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  founder and thinking behind products.
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  We explore why learning needs to be fun, how she validated her
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  idea by writing a children's book before building an app, and
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  what happened when her first paying customers turned out to
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  be very different from what she expected.
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  We also dive into how her background at Disney shaped the
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  way she designed and tested her characters, and how to Jungle
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  the Bungle app is just the first step in building a language
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  learning ecosystem. So when you're ready to listen
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  and learn how Jungle the Bungle is unlocking worlds by making
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  language learning fun, please Welcome to women Disrupting Tech
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  Carolina borsh. Carolina Borsh, good to have
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  you. Welcome to women Disrupting
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  tech. Let's start with some
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  background. How did you get to where you are
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  right now with Jungle the Bungle?
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  Thanks for having me and it's a nice story.
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  Good to know is that I was raised bilingual myself and that
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  has been one of the greatest gifts of my life.
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  So when my children were young, I also wanted to teach them a
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  second language and that's the moment that I found out that
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  there were not really fun methods to do so.
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  So I started to develop my own franchise.
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  I worked for Disney and I really believe in the power of
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  storytelling and the magic of characters.
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  And I launched 2 multilingual children books and I sold sold
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  more than 2000 copies. So for me that was the proof
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  that Jingle the Bungle had a big potential.
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  I found a great Co founder in Amber Stumm and we took it from
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  there together. So we raised funding to build
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  the app and it's in a market for 18 months now.
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  OK, so how how did you do if you meet?
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  We knew each other from the Climedia, we worked there
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  together. I think actually it was her
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  first job and I was working there on a freelance basis as a
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  campaign manager and I immediately knew that she was
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  really good, really good employee and you know, you have
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  some high potentials and she was one of them.
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  So I recognise that in a second and it was a lot of years later
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  that we really started working together, I think maybe five
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  years after we first met. So you were raised bilingual and
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  you called it one of the greatest gifts you had.
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  How did that influence your journey to building jungle the
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  Bungle? And not many people know, but if
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  you are raised bilingual then your brain changes in a positive
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  way. So I am really optimistic.
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  I will always find a way to do stuff.
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  So the words, it's not possible, they don't exist in my
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  dictionary. And I think that that's really
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  because of my bilingual education.
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  And besides that, learning multiple languages is of course
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  at the heart of our company. So both Amber and I have been
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  really lucky where we in the country we were born and with
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  the family we were born. And unfortunately not every
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  child has this luck. So with Jungled Bungle we offer
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  the possibility to learn multiple languages from a very
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  young age and we hope to give as many children as possible a
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  great head start. We also say we are not only
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  teaching words, we are unlocking worlds.
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  Oh, that's, that's really powerful.
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  So, so you're targeting, I think, children from in the age
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  of 2 to 8 years old, right. So you said you try to teach
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  your own children and a second language as well.
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  And you found that there wasn't really a lot of apps around or
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  not the apps that you liked. So can you describe what was
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  missing then? Yes, I think a lot of
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  educational products are a bit boring and are not fun.
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  And that's where, yeah, where it goes wrong.
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  So I think if children have fun and they love doing things that
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  they learn, yeah, without any effort and they enjoy it a lot,
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  so they are motivated to keep on doing it.
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  And a lot of products I see from educational publishers are ugly
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  and boring. So yeah, that's the gap I saw.
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  And the other the big players are targeting adults or children
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  that already can read and write. OK so you with jungle the bungle
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  you don't need to be able to read and write.
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  No, you only play games or you sing songs or your parents read
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  a book to you. So you, you, yeah, you don't
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  need to read yourself. So it's also passive and active,
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  if I hear you correctly. So the the passive part being
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  read a book and active parties, playing games, singing a song.
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  OK, so you worked for Disney. How did you how did you use that
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  experience in developing the app?
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  It was really at the heart of the developing of the franchise
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  because of course, I saw at Disney what's the magic of
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  characters do with children. So when I I asked somebody to
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  draw the the characters, it was very exciting because in my head
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  I knew what I wanted more or less, but I didn't know how it
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  would look like. So there was a strange, a
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  strange face, but it all the characters are adorable.
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  The briefing was a child should see the character and fall in
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  love with it so and I think the Disney characters also have that
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  power and the jungle bundle characters as well.
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  OK, so you actually took the, the, the Disney playbook on how
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  to, let's say, develop the characters and apply that to
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  Jingle the Bungle. So you're targeting children
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  from 2:00 to 8:00. What kind of resistance and
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  challenges are you running into? The biggest resistance comes
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  from persons, I would say not even parents, but they get
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  really mad that we developed an app.
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  So they call us mad because we use smartphones and tablets for
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  such a young children, but we prefer looking at it from
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  another point of perspective. Yeah.
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  Because we all know that our children spend too much time on
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  screens. So we think if your child is
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  using a screen, please give them responsible content.
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  So one what I'm hearing you say is one of the the objections is
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  screen time, which I do recognize from my own
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  environment. I don't have children myself,
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  but I hear that a lot from young parents.
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  Like I don't want my children to have screen time or limited
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  amount. I even remember a discussion I
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  had with my sister-in-law about a child in the class of her
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  daughter who was using a smartphone for Ken with Kenva to
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  do part of the homework where I was like, oh OK, yeah, of course
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  you can use Kenva on the smartphone as well, so why not?
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  But my sister-in-law was quite opposed.
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  To it of course we stimulate not to use too many screen time, so
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  we think you should use it responsible.
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  But if your child is using tablets or smartphones then
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  please give them an app which which he or she can learn
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  something from it instead of the crappy content.
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  So instead of going to to Instagram or YouTube, just yeah.
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  The YouTube ports, yeah, give them a responsible app with
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  which they can learn a new language.
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  OK so so just out of curiosity, how do you define you, let's say
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  sensible use of of that screen time using a language is 1, but
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  are there other ways to do it? I think there are some apps that
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  are responsible, yes, but a lot of parents don't don't look and
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  I leave their children alone. And then you, you don't, yeah,
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  on YouTube, you don't know what you're the algorithm is working
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  and before you knowing they're seeing stuff that it's not
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  really appropriate for them. Oh yeah, that that I don't have
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  experience with. But then sounds like YouTube has
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  some some work to do. But what I found interesting is
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  you get the screen time remark and the fact that you develop an
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  app not necessarily from parents.
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  So do you get it from teachers? Who do you get it from?
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  Yeah, it's it's merely on social media if we have a AD running or
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  content that that people comment on, oh, you're really crazy.
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  Children must play outside. Children already need to do so
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  many things. Why teach them a second
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  language? But yeah, the brain of children
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  is so receptive to learn a second language up to 8 years
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  so. Yeah, I was about to say, I
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  think until 7 or 8, the brain is like, well, a total sponge.
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  So you actually, it's if there is an ideal time to teach a
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  child a second language or anything for that matter, it's
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  actually that age. Yeah, it's especially languages.
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  It's up to 8 and then until 15 it's still a little bit less
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  active but still active. And from 15 years on then it
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  it's just as difficult As for an adult.
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  So you should really use the young this young period to teach
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  them new languages. Yeah, OK, so we talked about the
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  passive and active part of it. How do you make it fun for
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  children? And you're because you also
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  indicated that you've put a lot of attention into how to develop
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  the characters. What else do you do to make it
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  fun for children so that they actually do use it and do learn
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  from it? Yeah.
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  Well, I think the most important thing is that the app is fun,
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  because if it's not fun, then as you say, the children wouldn't
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  want to play and then you can't learn a new language.
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  So for us, fun is leading, but of course the methods we use are
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  also good. So we developed the app with
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  Early Bird and that's an evidence based learning method
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  for young children. And we continuously team up with
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  didactic experts and teachers. So the app is not only fun but
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  also effective to learn a new language.
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  OK. So you also put in, you have an
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  Advisory Board of or something like that with people with
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  education background to make sure that it's actually a it's,
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  it's because I was wondering how you make sure that it also works
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  for this young age group. Yeah, we have.
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  We we developed together with early bird.
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  So there is a list with all the words children have to learn
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  until the age of 7. So we put them all in a
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  different difficulty levels and there's an algorithm on the
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  back. So if you have enough good
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  answers, then you go up and if you make too many mistakes, you
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  go back again in the level. So as a child it's always fun.
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  It's never so it's not like a wrong answer.
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  So it's always, you're always motivated to go on.
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  You don't know by yourself on which level you you are playing.
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  OK, because that is really interesting that you take, let's
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  say, the test element out of it or at least the response of it
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  that OK, this is the wrong answer.
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  So now you go down a level that you've actually taken it out
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  that was on purpose. Yes, yeah, because we think
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  children should be motivated, simulated, and we want to focus
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  on the good and not on the bad. So if you give a wrong answer,
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  then you just don't continue. You have to keep on trying until
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  you have the good answer. OK.
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  And so you and then in depth way you also learn.
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  Yes, yeah. Worst case, it takes four tries.
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  Yeah. But then it takes four tries.
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  Yeah, but everybody, everybody can make the levels.
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  And so that's, that's a nice, nice thing of the app.
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  OK, cool. So you started to journey
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  writing books or writing a book? Two books.
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  So how? How did that help you?
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  That's question #1. Yeah, well, I started with books
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  because I didn't want to go begging for money, so I started
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  with the part. Yeah, it's an Omni channel
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  franchise and I started with the part that I could fund myself.
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  So with the books I validated if the children like the characters
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  and if parents would be open to teach their children a second
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  language. So that's why why I started with
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  the books. OK.
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  And and how does it help you in how did it help you on your
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  journey in developing an app? Because at some point you decide
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  to build an app. What what triggered that?
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  Yes, I imagined the Omni channel franchise and then I knew that
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  the next step had to be online. So for me, this was to validate
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  if the children liked the characters and because if they
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  wouldn't like the characters and I could have quitted, but
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  luckily they did like them. So, so that's basically the
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  franchise I tested. And then, yeah, I wanted to
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  continue developing digital and that's why I started with the
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  app. And, and the most important
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  thing that I learned from the book, and it's happening again
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  with the app, is the enthusiasm from schools and teachers and
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  libraries. So I, I originally launched for
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  parents, but from the educational sector there, there
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  came the, the interest and it's happening again with the app.
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  So we launched again for parents because we thought, well, in
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  order to go to schools, there must be added much more content.
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  It's, it's not ready yet to go to schools, but but it is, it
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  is. So schools come to us, they
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  reach out to us. So could we please use this app
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  in the classroom? So we adapted the proposition a
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  bit because for a subscription that you take as a parent, you
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  can have three children playing, you make a profile, three
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  different profiles. But with a classroom, a teacher
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  needs to have 30 profiles. So we we needed adaptation in
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  the back end, but now we are offering the method to school,
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  so that's really cool. OK.
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  So what are the the results so far?
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  Do you see, do they see an improvement in in learning
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  capacity for children? Yes.
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  Well, in Holland there are a lot of children that don't speak
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  very well Dutch, but I have to, yeah, I have to fit in a system.
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  And they go to a regular class. And so teachers struggle a bit
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  and they they can't give only attention to the children that
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  don't speak Dutch. So it's a way for them, they can
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  practice on a in a fun way and use the Dutch language and they
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  can do it individually. So the teacher doesn't need to
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  be next to them on the table. Yes, and and they can do it at
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  their own time. At their own time, at their own
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  level, at their own pace. Yeah, yes.
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  And, and we also offer schools if because we, as I told you
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  before, we want as many children as possible to, to give the
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  possibility to learn. So if a school takes a license,
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  then we offer the children to also be able to play at home.
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  So in the weekends and in the holidays, they can continue
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  practicing their language. Well, that is cool.
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  What I heard so far is that it's really difficult to get into
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  schools. So companies first put out
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  content for parents so they get a bit of a base level and then
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  go to to schools. Was that also what happened with
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  you or did you sort of really early on after like the first
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  few parents you did you get contacted by schools?
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  Yes, I think after three or four months, so we, we started for
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  parents, but then we yeah, we realise OK, this the schools
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  really need this language app. So I think after six months we
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  made it available for schools as well.
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  At first only on tablets, but yeah, two months later we also
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  launched the web version. So initially we launched for
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  parents, but because the need is so high at schools, we we
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  pivoted to schools. OK, well, that's yeah.
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  And also the yeah, the need, but also the demands.
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  Yes, is it? Is it now sort of bootstrapped
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  the business or are you still getting funded externally?
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  What do you exactly mean? Well, do you bootstrap?
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  So do you? Do you use proceeds from the
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  from from the app to to reinvest in?
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  Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. We raised funding last year and
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  but we still were bootstrapped. So do you want to do fundraising
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  later? Yes, yes we will.
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  We will do fundraising. Yeah.
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  We just applied for a big grant, so we hope we we are getting it.
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  If we are getting it, then we can postpone the fundraising a
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  bit. If we don't get it, we will
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  fundraise by the end of this year.
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  OK, cool. How do you, how do you see this
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  moving forward? So, so you've built an app that
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  is in use in schools in Holland and by pupils in Holland, So by
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  children who who live in Holland.
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  How do you see this moving ahead, let's say a couple of
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  next couple of years? Well, it's not only Holland
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  because we get a lot of demand also from Belgium and even a
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  school in Portugal and Curacao. So we already have international
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  customers on the school board. And 1st the, the, the upcoming
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  years we want to build a firm base in the Netherlands, yeah,
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  maybe Belgium. And then we are looking for
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  local lab like countries like Scandinavian country, maybe
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  Germany. And then if we have some
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  countries already in Europe, then we want to head to to the
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  US, but step by step. But in the end, we want to have
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  world's domination, so. So what?
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  What's the end goal? How many children do you want to
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  educate? Really.
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  Millions, millions of children? Yeah, because it's easy,
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  scalable. We have now we offer Dutch,
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  Spanish and English, but we can easily add a new language.
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  And so, yeah, we can easily add French, German, Portuguese if we
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  want to go to the, if we go to the US, we want to have 8 to 10
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  languages in the app. So that's English, Spanish.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  And then then from there, the world is your oyster, as they
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  say. OK, so just going back for for a
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  minute to to the fundraising bit.
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  You did fundraise before, right? What was that alone or a fund?
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  And now it was crowdfunding, I think.
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  Yes, we started with the crowdfunding.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  How was that? I liked it.
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  In the beginning. You're a bit shy because you
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  have to ask people, you know, you have to ask them for money.
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  So that's a bit awkward maybe, but once you start doing it,
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  then you lose all the shame and then you just go and ask
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  everybody for money. And you know, I, I also look at
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  it differently because I'm not only going and ask for money
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  because I really believe we are going to make a big success out
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  of jungle, the bungalow. So I actually offer them a
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  possibility to invest their money wisely, and if you look at
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  it that way, then it's less difficult to sell.
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  Yeah, and it's also a way to do something good in the world and
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  help children who would not have otherwise been given a chance to
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  to learn a language well. Yeah, true.
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  And it's a, it's a brand, it's a, it's a likable brand.
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  And we have now more than 100 crowdfunders.
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  So those are our ambassadors and they also talk about our brand
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  and they keep on supporting us. So I I really liked it for our
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  company to start with the crowdfunding.
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  Yeah, How do you keep them engaged?
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  We send mailings in the beginning more often than now to
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  see, OK, how far are we with developing the app?
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  Since we launched the app, the frequency has gone down a bit
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  because we have other priorities.
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  But once every four or five months we sent them an update.
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  Every time something big happens, we we mail them.
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  We sent them an e-mail and they really like it.
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  OK. Well, that's that's good.
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  Yeah, we have huge opening rates.
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  From the emails. From the emails it's like 80%
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  and it's really nice. Yeah, that's, that's pretty high
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  because I don't, I don't know what regular opening rates are
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  these days, but 80% is, is really on the on the higher end
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  of of things. So you've you've been building
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  an app that covers free languages right now, Dutch,
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  English and Spanish. What is the biggest mistake
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  you've made on the way? Yes.
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  And what is the lesson you took from?
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  Yeah. Well, I, I, I wouldn't call a
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  mistake a mistake. But of course, looking back, we
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  would have done things differently.
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  And my biggest lesson is that not everything has to be
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  perfect. So I worked for really big
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  brands like L'Oreal and Disney. So my standards are quite high.
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  But start working in a start up is really different and you have
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  to make mistakes or you have to do things wrong, but in order to
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  learn from it, so, so yeah. And then you, it's just the two
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  of us. So it's it's yeah, you can't do
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  everything perfect. You don't have the time and the
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  capacity to do so. So yeah, that's what I learned
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  that it doesn't have to be perfect.
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  Also, the app version you are launching, yeah, it's it's
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  logical that it's it needs continuous improvement and
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  developing and it will never be ready the app.
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  No, if only because you keep adding languages of.
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  Course yeah, true. Yeah.
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  And content and new songs, new characters may be so it will
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  never be ready totally finished so.
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  So how do you how do you deal with that?
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  Because you have these high standards and you want to bring
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  something to the world that is like that represents you as
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  well. So also we've got your
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  standards. And if you have high standards
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  like you and me, to be honest, then it's sort of difficult to,
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  I can imagine, at least for myself, speak for myself.
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  I find it really difficult to put out something that is, let's
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  say, not at least seven a half out of 10.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you How do you do?
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  It is difficult. I had to learn it.
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  But what the app it's yeah, it's so expensive to finish it
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  totally. So you, you we are building
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  traction now and we'd learn from the input from customers.
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  So we also say to the teachers and to the schools, please, if
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  we have tips for us of if something is missing, let us
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  know so we can improve the product with your help.
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  And then it depends if we send an e-mail, it must be for
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  perfect. I, I do, I don't want any
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  spelling mistakes or wrong links of or so you, you, yeah, you
• 29:23
  pick your bettles on which things you will still be perfect
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  and on what things it's OK to be at 70 or 80%.
• 29:32
  Yeah. So, so double clicking on that,
• 29:34
  how do you determine what is 78% then how do you do that you sort
• 29:39
  of have have an end goal and then.
• 29:42
  That's a difficult question there, John.
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  I, I think maybe not a 7080%, but then you know, OK, it's not
• 29:49
  perfect. It's not perfect because it's
• 29:52
  not possible in this phase to have it perfect.
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  So then you just go, you just put it in in the market and then
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  you see what happens. Because we don't have an
• 30:04
  audience like L'Oreal or Disney. So if if something goes wrong
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  then OK, it's. Is that also the benefit of
• 30:13
  having, let's say, a smaller audience that you don't have to
• 30:17
  be perfect? Maybe for me personally, yes.
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  But yeah, I remember when was it a couple of months ago that
• 30:25
  everything went down, every screen went out.
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  So even the big companies and, and tech companies, and yeah,
• 30:34
  it's, it's still if, if it's technical, then things can go
• 30:40
  wrong. So I think even the big
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  companies have to deal with it. But for me personally, yes it's
• 30:47
  more easy since we don't have thousands of users yet.
• 30:53
  Cool. And what has been your biggest
• 30:56
  or yeah, biggest success or what are you most proud of?
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  The most proud I'm the way Amber and I managed to come where we
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  are right now. That was not always easy, but we
• 31:09
  always kept positive and constructive towards each other.
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  Yeah, sometimes I'm really feeling like, is this a dream?
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  Is it You really built this great app that has been used on
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  more than 100 schools right now and with so much potential and
• 31:31
  just the two of us, of course, with our great app developer
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  Hulam, and we hire professionals along the way.
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  But yeah, still, it's just the two of us.
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  So that's what I'm really proud of.
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  Yes, I can imagine. So that's supposed jungle to
• 31:54
  bungle, becomes wealthy, successful in the next 10 years.
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  What does it look like then? You've added languages, you've
• 32:04
  entered markets. Yes, we've entered markets.
• 32:08
  We did some brand extensions. We will be there will be a movie
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  in the cinema, there will be a theme park, we will have events
• 32:19
  where children can come and sing in different languages and it's
• 32:24
  much bigger than than you can imagine right now.
• 32:28
  Well, you just imagined it. Yes, and I worked for Disney.
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  So if you can dream and you can do it.
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  So that's my that's my big motto.
• 32:38
  Yeah, yeah. And and it's helpful in that
• 32:42
  sense, I guess. Yeah, true.
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  OK, so I have a question for you.
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  So I'm with women, this working tech.
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  I'm building a tool that connects female founders to
• 32:54
  investors, bridging the funding gap using AI.
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  From your perspective as a founder, what is the most
• 33:06
  important ingredient I need to make that work to make that app,
• 33:14
  let's call it that work? Well, that it works well since
• 33:20
  your standards are high and I wouldn't doubt that.
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  And that it's intuitive so that you know as a founder in this
• 33:30
  startup you don't have so much headspace.
• 33:33
  So it's if it's too complicated, then yeah, then it wouldn't work
• 33:40
  for me. And also if it doesn't deliver
• 33:43
  what I need, then it wouldn't be helpful.
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  But if I know, OK, this is what I will get out of it, that's
• 33:51
  helpful to me and it's easy to do with, then it would be great.
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  To what extent would it help me to look at users as be a
• 34:03
  children between the ages of two and eight?
• 34:07
  Yes, I think that would be great.
• 34:10
  Yeah, I because it's need, it needs to be intuitive, so not
• 34:15
  too complicated. So 2 to 8 years, that's a great
• 34:18
  age. Cool, then I'll use that advice.
• 34:23
  So thank you very much for the conversation, really enjoyed it.
• 34:28
  If people want to learn more about you or about Jungle the
• 34:33
  Bungle, or if they want to download it and try it out or
• 34:38
  use it in their schools, where would you like to send?
• 34:41
  Yes, you can go to our website, junglethebungle.com.
• 34:46
  You can find us on the socials, LinkedIn, Facebook and
• 34:51
  Instagram. And if you can, try it one week
• 34:54
  for free, and we're available in the App Store and the Google
• 34:59
  Play Store. Cool.
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  And we'll include those links in the show notes.
• 35:03
  That would be great. Yes.
• 35:06
  I also enjoyed the conversation. Cool.
• 35:08
  Well, that's that's nice to hear.
• 35:10
  Well, Carolina Bonars, thank you very much for this interview.
• 35:13
  Really enjoyed it. Listeners, thank you very much
• 35:16
  for listening. And until the next episode, keep
• 35:20
  being awesome. Well, that's it.
• 35:26
  Thank you for listening to episode 134 of Women Disrupting
• 35:30
  Tech, titled Unlocking Worlds by Making Language Learning Fun
• 35:34
  with Carolina Bowers. If you've ever wondered about
• 35:38
  the benefits of teaching young children a second language, I
• 35:42
  hope this episode shows you how much it can shape the way
• 35:45
  children learn and explore the world.
• 35:48
  If you want to connect with Carolina directly or learn more
• 35:52
  about Jungle the Bungle, please find all the relevant links in
• 35:55
  the show notes at Women Disrupting Tech Talk blog.
• 35:59
  Just click the link in the caption.
• 36:01
  One of my favorite moments in the conversation was when
• 36:04
  Carolina explained how leaving right and wrong answers implicit
• 36:09
  creates much better learning experience.
• 36:12
  What was your favorite moment in the conversation?
• 36:15
  Was it the idea of validating by writing a book?
• 36:19
  Unexpected pull from schools or the way Carolina reframed
• 36:24
  fundraising as community building?
• 36:27
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• 36:46
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• 36:48
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