Latest / Morning Medical with Dr. Chow / Mpox Outbreak, Drug Pricing Debates, and Obesity-Related Healthcare Costs
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- 0:00Good morning and welcome to Morning Medical with Dr.
- 0:02Chow, your daily update on the latest medical and health news from around the world.
- 0:06I am your host, Dr.
- 0:08Chi-Ming Chow.
- 0:09Today, we have a very important topic to discuss: Is mpox the next COVID-19?
- 0:15With the recent declaration of mpox as a global public health emergency, there is growing
- 0:20concern about its potential to become a pandemic.
- 0:23Let's dive into the details.
- 0:29The World Health Organization officially declared the mpox outbreak a 'public health
- 0:34emergency of international concern' on August 14.
- 0:38This decision was based on a surge of cases in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and
- 0:44multiple other African countries.
- 0:46As of August 17, there have been 545 reported cases of mpox since the outbreak was declared,
- 0:53with 474 of those cases confirmed.
- 0:58Symptoms of mpox include a sometimes painful rash on various parts of the body, fever,
- 1:03chills, exhaustion, muscle aches, headache, swollen lymph nodes, and respiratory symptoms.
- 1:10According to the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are two
- 1:14types of mpox: Clade 1 and Clade 2.
- 1:19The World Health Organization noted that Clade 2 was responsible for the 2022 global outbreak
- 1:25and has survival rates of more than 99.9 percent.
- 1:30On the other hand, Clade 1, which is causing the current outbreak in the Democratic Republic
- 1:35of the Congo and Africa, results in more severe illness and higher mortality rates.
- 1:41Some outbreaks of Clade 1 have killed up to 10 percent of those infected, although more recent
- 1:46outbreaks have had lower death rates.
- 1:49World Health Organization Director-General Dr.
- 1:52Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus emphasized the urgency of the situation, stating, 'The
- 1:57emergence of a new clade of mpox, its rapid spread in eastern Democratic Republic of the
- 2:02Congo, and the reporting of cases in several neighboring countries are very worrying.'
- 2:09Dr.
- 2:10Ghebreyesus continued, 'People are not going to catch mpox by being on the same bus or running
- 2:15into someone at the grocery store.
- 2:17On top of outbreaks of other mpox clades in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and other
- 2:22countries in Africa, it is clear that a coordinated international response is needed to
- 2:27stop these outbreaks and save lives.'
- 2:31So, is mpox the next COVID-19?
- 2:35While health officials are concerned about the spread of this new strain, the consensus is
- 2:40that mpox is not likely to become a pandemic like COVID-19.
- 2:45One of the main reasons is that mpox does not spread in the same way.
- 2:51Dr.
- 2:51Daniel Kuritzkes, chief of infectious diseases at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston,
- 2:56explained, 'Certainly not.
- 2:58What made COVID-19 so contagious is that it is a respiratory virus spread by aerosols, so that
- 3:04even casual contact—being in the same room with someone for a reasonable period of time—meant
- 3:09you could catch the virus.'
- 3:12Another difference is that COVID-19 is contagious starting from a day or so before
- 3:17someone develops symptoms.
- 3:19By contrast, mpox requires close contact, usually skin-to-skin, for transmission in the
- 3:25vast majority of cases.
- 3:28Rarely, heavily contaminated material such as bedding can be infectious, but people are not
- 3:34going to catch mpox by being on the same bus or running into someone at the grocery store.
- 3:39While mpox is far less contagious than COVID-19, it could potentially cause a widely
- 3:45distributed epidemic through sexual contact, according to Dr.
- 3:49Kuritzkes.
- 3:50He compared it to HIV, which is pandemic but not transmitted by casual contact.
- 3:56The same is true for mpox.
- 3:59To prevent transmission of mpox, the United States Centers for Disease Control and
- 4:03Prevention recommends vaccination for men who are gay, bisexual, or have sex with men, are
- 4:10age 18 or older, and have other specific risks.
- 4:15These risks include new diagnoses of sexually transmitted diseases and a recent history of
- 4:19multiple sex partners, among others.
- 4:22Dr.
- 4:23Marc Siegel, senior medical analyst for Fox News and clinical professor of medicine at New
- 4:28York University Langone Medical Center, echoed that mpox is 'not the new COVID.' He emphasized
- 4:34that mpox spreads via direct contact, sexual contact, and very close respiratory droplets,
- 4:40but not over longer distances by respiratory spread.
- 4:44Dr.
- 4:44Brad Perkins, chief medical officer at Karius, a California-based life sciences company,
- 4:49reiterated that mpox is 'considerably less infectious' for person-to-person spread than
- 4:55COVID-19.
- 4:56He noted that while mpox can affect anyone, data has shown that men who have sex with men
- 5:02are disproportionately impacted, with a notable disease burden among Black and Hispanic men.
- 5:07This highlights the importance of early recognition, diagnosis, and targeted
- 5:12vaccination for those at highest risk.
- 5:15As with other viral infections, those who are immunocompromised or very young are at the
- 5:21greatest risk of severe infection.
- 5:24For mpox, the main concern is for people with HIV who are not currently receiving effective
- 5:31antiretroviral therapy.
- 5:34Even after the infection has cleared, survivors can face long-term effects and complications,
- 5:39such as vision impairment, encephalitis, and scarring.
- 5:44The United States Agency for International Development has sent 50,000 doses of the
- 5:49JYNNEOS mpox vaccine to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, but there is still a worldwide
- 5:54shortage of this vaccine.
- 5:57This shortage will prove crucial to stop the spread, especially if the outbreak widens.
- 6:03In addition to the current vaccines and antiviral treatments available, Dr.
- 6:08Perkins stressed the need for new innovations in mpox diagnostics, therapeutics, and
- 6:14preventive measures.
- 6:15'We need deeper research into characterizing and addressing these long-term sequelae,' he
- 6:21said.
- 6:22The CEO of Novo Nordisk defended the high cost of Ozempic and Wegovy in the United States,
- 6:29saying the blockbuster drugs are ultimately saving taxpayers money on obesity-related
- 6:34costs.
- 6:36Lars Fruergaard Jørgensen stated in an interview on NBC Nightly News, 'If you look at
- 6:42just the cost of obesity in the United States, it is a disease that costs Americans more than
- 6:48four hundred billion dollars a year.
- 6:50And we are actually providing products that are actually helping take that cost burden off.'
- 6:56Jørgensen, who spoke to NBC News before the company's 'quiet period' ahead of its last
- 7:01earnings report, called accusations that the company is operating as a drug cartel
- 7:06'unfounded.' He is scheduled to testify about the United States pricing of the drugmaker’s
- 7:12hugely popular diabetes and weight loss drugs at a highly anticipated Senate committee
- 7:18hearing next month.
- 7:20Senator Bernie Sanders, chair of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, told
- 7:26NBC News in June that he plans to ask Jørgensen why Novo Nordisk charges up to ten to fifteen
- 7:33times more for Ozempic and Wegovy in the United States than it does in other countries.
- 7:40According to a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee report, Novo Nordisk charges
- 7:45around one thousand three hundred dollars a month for Wegovy in the United States, while
- 7:50the drug can be purchased for one hundred eighty-six dollars a month in Denmark, one
- 7:56hundred thirty-seven dollars in Germany, and ninety-two dollars in the United Kingdom.
- 8:02Senator Sanders said, 'It is clear that Novo Nordisk is ripping off the American people.'
- 8:08The cost of obesity-related care in the United States is substantial.
- 8:13A report published last year from KFF, a nonprofit group that researches health policy
- 8:18issues, found that in 2021, people with employer-based health insurance who were
- 8:24overweight or had obesity had an average of twelve thousand five hundred eighty-eight
- 8:29dollars in total annual health costs.
- 8:32This is more than double the four thousand six hundred ninety-nine dollars in health spending
- 8:38for those who were not overweight or did not have obesity.
- 8:43People who are overweight or have obesity also face higher out-of-pocket costs: an average of
- 8:48one thousand four hundred eighty-seven dollars, compared with six hundred ninety-eight dollars
- 8:52for those without those conditions.
- 8:54Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee,
- 9:01said that at Ozempic’s and Wegovy’s current prices, the savings that could be gained from
- 9:06reducing the burden of obesity-related care are not enough to make up for the large increase in
- 9:11spending on the drugs.
- 9:12Dusetzina explained, 'For many people, these drugs might be a very good option for improving
- 9:18their health, but it is unlikely that they will reduce total spending.
- 9:23In general, the price of these drugs would need to come down a lot in order to have a chance
- 9:28for them to produce overall savings in health care spending.'
- 9:33Jørgensen said he 'volunteered' to speak with the committee about the cost of Ozempic and
- 9:38Wegovy at the hearing next month.
- 9:41His announcement to do so came three days after Senator Sanders threatened to hold a vote to
- 9:46subpoena Novo Nordisk’s president, Doug Langa.
- 9:51Jørgensen said he plans to talk about the 'complexities of the United States health care
- 9:56system, which is a system we take part in but we cannot change.'
- 10:01He pointed out that it takes policy change to address these issues, blaming insurance
- 10:06companies and pharmacy benefit managers, or PBMs, for the high out-of-pocket costs patients
- 10:12pay for the drugs.
- 10:14Pharmacy benefit managers work with insurers to negotiate rebates, or discounted prices, from
- 10:20the drug companies in exchange for including the drugs in their coverage.
- 10:24However, as pharmacy benefit managers consolidate and hold more influence over what
- 10:29drugs are covered, experts say they may be inflating drug costs.
- 10:34In July, the Federal Trade Commission published an interim report about how pharmacy benefit
- 10:41managers are driving up costs for patients.
- 10:44Jørgensen acknowledged, 'I do acknowledge that some patients have poor insurance.
- 10:48And if you have poor insurance, it can be difficult to afford your medicines.
- 10:53And for those, we have patient support programs where we try to help them out.'
- 10:58Jørgensen also said the United States needs to have a 'discussion around what is the value of
- 11:02these medicines' for patients.
- 11:04Cynthia Cox, a vice president at KFF and the director of its program on the Affordable Care
- 11:10Act, said that while the drugs can prevent and reduce a number of obesity-related diseases,
- 11:15they remain expensive and it is unclear how long people will need to stay on them to
- 11:20maintain weight loss and improved health.
- 11:23'The widespread use of these drugs for weight loss is still relatively new, so I am not sure
- 11:28there is enough long-term data to fully weigh the costs and benefits,' Cox said.