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Sharri | 18 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thank you, good evening and it's a big show tonight.
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Speaker 1: The shock news that Alan Jones has been charged with
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Speaker 1: twenty four offenses after an investigation into alleged indecent assault
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Speaker 1: and sexual touching spanning two decades.
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Speaker 2: More details on that in a moment.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, how Australians could be jailed for misinformation under
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Speaker 1: the Albanese governments or Wellian laws. Prominent journalist Michael Schellenberger
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Speaker 1: is on the show tonight for an exclusive interview.
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Speaker 2: He says Albanese's laws are the worst in the world.
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Speaker 1: Plus selfish pro Palestinian protesters want to counsel Christmas for
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Speaker 1: Ozzie kids. Why are police so powerless to stop them?
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Speaker 1: My thoughts on this in a minute. But before we
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Speaker 1: get into all of that, let's go to the breaking
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Speaker 1: news now here was Alan Jones leaving the police station
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Speaker 1: after getting bail late this afternoon, charged with twenty four offenses,
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Speaker 1: including aggravated in decent assault and sexual touching relating to
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Speaker 1: eight individuals. Jones was surrounded by a pack of media.
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Speaker 1: He looked shaken and distraught.
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Speaker 3: Anything anything even came You don't insisted your innocent stays.
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Speaker 4: The charge is coming to.
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Speaker 5: Shock to you.
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Speaker 2: What about you people with a keep going and what
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Speaker 2: have I got.
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Speaker 5: To say to all of your listeners, the people that
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Speaker 5: support you anything at all.
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Speaker 1: This is a major for from grace for the broadcaster
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Speaker 1: who put the fear of God into politicians on a
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Speaker 1: daily basis.
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Speaker 2: That shock.
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Speaker 1: News of his arrest at home in Sydney breaking just
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Speaker 1: this morning. Ray Hadley said he became aware of the
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Speaker 1: allegations in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 5: I first became aware of the allegations in twenty nineteen. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: given there is likely to be a series of charges
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Speaker 5: laid and announced by police sometime this morning, and given
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Speaker 5: there's a search warrant being executed at this moment inside
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Speaker 5: of premises, that's circular key, you'd understand. I have to
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Speaker 5: be careful of what I say and what I do
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Speaker 5: actually know. My main concern at the moment is for
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Speaker 5: the alleged victims who are obviously seeking justice in relation
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Speaker 5: to these matters.
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Speaker 1: Now Jones denies the allegations, and of course he's innocent
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Speaker 1: until proven guilty. This is now all in the hands
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Speaker 1: of police and the Cots will come back to this
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Speaker 1: with a report from Caroline Marcus from the police station
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Speaker 1: a bit later, but now the Coalition is warning that
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Speaker 1: Australians could be jailed under Anthony Albanize's new misinformation laws,
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Speaker 1: laws that have already passed the House of Representatives and
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Speaker 1: they're set to go to a vote in the Senate
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Speaker 1: next week. These are dangerous Wellian style laws that were
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Speaker 1: not only curb free speech, but provide the sort of
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Speaker 1: censorship that's commonplace in totalitarian dictatorships like China and Russia.
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Speaker 1: We've already seen disturbing censorship of public interest investigations in
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Speaker 1: the name of misinformation, my COVID origins, reporting the Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden laptop story, those who campaigned against the Voice, and
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Speaker 1: also concerns about COVID era mandates.
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Speaker 2: And that was all before these laws.
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Speaker 1: Legal experts and the Coalition are now concerned that individuals
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Speaker 1: linked to digital platforms like podcasts could be imprisoned for
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Speaker 1: a year if they don't cooperate with public hearings and
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Speaker 1: investigations into misinformation.
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Speaker 2: There are also other penalties.
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Speaker 1: People could be fined thousands of dollars and tech giants
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Speaker 1: millions simply for posting content the government bureaucrats claim is misinformation.
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Speaker 1: Now the Communications Minister trying to weave away out of
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Speaker 1: this in an interview with Ben Fordham.
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Speaker 6: Okay, we've heard about potential jail sentences. Under what circumstances
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Speaker 6: would someone go to jail? Well, this isn't about individuals
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Speaker 6: going to jail, then that is just false.
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Speaker 7: So who would go to jail?
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Speaker 8: Well, your users aren't going to jail under this.
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Speaker 2: This is purely goes to.
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Speaker 8: The conduct of the platforms and their systems and processes.
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Speaker 6: Okay, I understand my listeners won't go to jail.
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Speaker 9: Who might go to jail?
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Speaker 10: Well, none of your listeners are going to going to
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Speaker 10: jail here, Ben, But there is a graduated enforcements enforcement
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Speaker 10: scheme that's under the Act that has penalties in it.
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Speaker 1: A graduated enforcement scheme that has penalties in it.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you heard.
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Speaker 1: Ultimately, she couldn't deny the fact that jail was a penalty,
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Speaker 1: with the Daily Telegraph reporting that section two h two,
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Speaker 1: if someone refuses to appear and misinformation inquiries or refuses
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Speaker 1: to cooperate without a reasonable excuse.
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Speaker 2: They can be jailed up to a year.
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Speaker 1: Now, the legislation defines misinformation to mean anything that's reasonably
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Speaker 1: verifiable as false, misleading, or deceptive.
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Speaker 2: But who decides this. Who's the arbiter of this bureaucrats?
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Speaker 1: One lawyer Justin Quyle points out, once they deem something
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Speaker 1: false or misleading, it opens up a Pandora's box of powers,
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Speaker 1: including the right to question people in investigations and if
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Speaker 1: someone doesn't cooperate, potentially jail them. Well, what's especially terrifying
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Speaker 1: and orwellian is that the Communications Minister can personally order
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Speaker 1: public show trials herself. We've already seen the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: and senior cabinet ministers throw around accusation of misinformation, often
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Speaker 1: in parliament. Well, there'd been nothing stopping the Minister under
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Speaker 1: the law ordering a public hearing accusing X and Elon
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Speaker 1: Musk of misinformation if she felt it was running more
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Speaker 1: conservative views or misinformation during.
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Speaker 2: An election period.
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Speaker 1: And here's how the Prime Minister, Anthony Albanesi, remember has
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Speaker 1: already spoken about Elon Musk.
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Speaker 11: We'll do what's necessary to take on this arrogant billionaire
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Speaker 11: who thinks he is above the law. Social media has
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Speaker 11: a social responsibility. If mister Musk doesn't understand that that
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Speaker 11: says more about him than it does about my government.
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Speaker 1: And now this woken grotesquely out of touch. Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: wants to be able to find people for so called misinformation.
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Speaker 1: It's an insult to the intelligence of Australians. It's taking
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Speaker 1: critical thinking out of our hands. And this isn't all
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Speaker 1: as far fetched as it sounds, because in the UK
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Speaker 1: we're already seeing innocent people being arrested for what they've
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Speaker 1: said on social media.
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Speaker 2: Now. I've been campaigning on this issue for a long time.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I was the.
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Speaker 1: First journalist to report on concerns about this misinformation bill.
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Speaker 1: This was before the Coalition had even decided to oppose
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Speaker 1: the laws, and I encouraged them to do so publicly
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Speaker 1: in June last year. High profile journalist Michael Schellenberger has
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Speaker 1: been fighting back against similar misinformation laws internationally. His advocacy
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Speaker 1: has been incredible, and he's on my show tonight. He
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Speaker 1: says what we're seeing now in Australia is the worst
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Speaker 1: censorship we've seen anywhere in the world.
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Speaker 8: I think the Albanize government is treating its particular brand
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Speaker 8: of woke politics.
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Speaker 9: As a religion.
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Speaker 2: Is right.
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Speaker 1: The Albanese government is doing a lot of damage to
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Speaker 1: our country. Its lack of action on social cohesion and antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: Is right up there.
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Speaker 1: But in terms of legislation, this is the single most
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Speaker 1: concerning law the government is introducing. No government of any
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Speaker 1: political persuasion should be the arbiter of the truth should
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Speaker 1: be given the power to determine what's factual and what's misinformation.
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Speaker 1: Because free speech is part of what distinguishes us from dictatorships.
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Speaker 1: We need to fight for our values and our democracy
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Speaker 1: and stop the Albaneze government from finding and even maybe
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Speaker 1: jailing people who refuse to puppet their woke ideology. The
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Speaker 1: pursuit of causes that may be unfashionable or unpopular at
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Speaker 1: a single point in time is fundamental for the growth
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Speaker 1: of Western civilization and as I said, I'll come back
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Speaker 1: to that with Michael Schallenberger a bit later, but I
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Speaker 1: also want to quickly speak about the pro Hamas activists
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Speaker 1: who are trying to deprive Australian children of the chance
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Speaker 1: to celebrate Christmas. Christmas is a magical time for kids
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Speaker 1: all over the world. Joy, sparkle, hope, and yes presence.
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Speaker 1: Well over the weekend there were ugly scenes in Melbourne
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Speaker 1: where pro Palestinian protesters hijacked the opening day of the
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Speaker 1: Maya Christmas Windows, even though the official event.
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Speaker 2: Had to be canceled.
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be a day we
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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with this every single weekend? And
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Speaker 1: now the pro Palestinian extremists are saying that children in
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Speaker 1: Australia can't be happy because children.
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Speaker 2: In Gaza are suffering.
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Speaker 12: Oh my god, my windows unveiling has been canceled. You
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Speaker 12: know what else has been canceled tens of thousands of Palestinians.
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Speaker 12: If you care more about the windows than Palestinian kids,
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Speaker 12: then that says something about you, not protesters.
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Speaker 1: Another activist, Sara Sailor said, and I quote, oh, you
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Speaker 1: want to celebrate Christmas, but ignore the massacres happening in
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Speaker 1: the lands where Jesus was from. Well, this demand that
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Speaker 1: Australian children be deprived of joy because of a war
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Speaker 1: thousands of kilometers away is disgraceful. As activists Drew Pavlo responded,
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Speaker 1: they would never ever demand Muslims not observe important religious holidays.
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Speaker 1: They never demand the Anma suspend eed celebrations over the
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Speaker 1: imprisonment of one million week Muslims. They only attack Christian
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Speaker 1: and Jewish religious holidays. If these activists truly cared about
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Speaker 1: Palestinian children. Then on October eighth, twenty twenty three, they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have celebrated the massacre in Israel. Instead, they would
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Speaker 1: have demanded that her must release our innocent hostages. They
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Speaker 1: would have demanded that her must release the hostages, lay
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Speaker 1: down arms, and stop attacking Israel. This would have not
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Speaker 1: only been the right thing to do, but it also
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Speaker 1: would have avoided further Palestinian suffering.
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Speaker 2: But they didn't demand this.
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Speaker 1: In my view, they don't truly care about the Palestinian
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Speaker 1: cause because they don't say a word when footage emerges
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Speaker 1: of her Musk mistreatment and torturing of Palestinians, or when
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Speaker 1: the Channel twelve Israeli journalists went into Gaza and interviewed
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Speaker 1: dozens of Palacestinians who spoke of how Hermas had ruined
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Speaker 1: their lives, taken away their sons and destroyed their families.
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Speaker 2: Here's that footage fifty he mother log in bather.
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Speaker 1: Havas extraordinary reporting. Then I had the journalist on my
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Speaker 1: show on Thursday who went into Gaza and interviewed those Palestinians,
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Speaker 1: But not a word from any of the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: activists about Hamas is truly ruining the lives of Palestinians,
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Speaker 1: and it has been doing so for over four hundred days.
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Speaker 2: Well then actually seventeen years before that too.
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Speaker 1: These activists only protest because it's against Israel, against Jews,
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Speaker 1: and now they want to ruin the joy of Christmas
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Speaker 1: for Australian children. Now, many families have an annual tradition
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Speaker 1: of visiting department stores to see the beautiful Christmas display.
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Speaker 2: In the window.
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Speaker 1: These are memories they'll have for a lifetime, traditions they'll
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Speaker 1: continue with their own children and grandchildren. Families catch the
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Speaker 1: train to go into the city and have a beautiful
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Speaker 1: day out. But now this was canceled thanks to that
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Speaker 1: angry mob of Israel haters. Will Ray Hadley performed an
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Speaker 1: epic spray against Albanezi over all of this on Friday morning.
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Speaker 1: I was cheering in my car while listening, and here's
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Speaker 1: some of his strongest comments anything the.
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Speaker 5: Alb I didn't think you'd be as low as the
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Speaker 5: snake's billy, but I think you're pretty low at the moment.
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Speaker 5: And Penny Wong's right behind you. He is the worst
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Speaker 5: Prime minister We've ever had, the worst. Throw all of
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Speaker 5: them in marc On Fraser GoF Whitlam, go through the
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Speaker 5: list whoever you like. He's the worst prime minister we
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Speaker 5: have had by this length of the Strait, and.
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Speaker 1: The Australian public can see very clearly what's happening here,
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Speaker 1: how a rabbid mob is trying to destroy the joy
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Speaker 1: of Christmas here in Australia, and how Alban Easy is
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Speaker 1: too weak to stand up to any of them because
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Speaker 1: he's putting politics over the right of kids.
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Speaker 2: To enjoy Christmas in peace.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring in now Sky News contributed Joe hilde
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Speaker 1: Brand and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to you both,
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Speaker 1: and now Joe. Victorian premiergist Into Alan was very strong
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Speaker 1: in her comments about this.
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Speaker 2: But yet police seemed in the face of these protesters.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, the problem is.
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Speaker 13: You don't seem to need any permit to protest in Victoria,
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Speaker 13: even though of course if you're there to protest against
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Speaker 13: COVID restrictions you get locked up pretty quickly. And the
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Speaker 13: difference between that and New South Wales where we have
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Speaker 13: a much more moderate, sensible, right wing labor government as
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Speaker 13: opposed to left wing labor government. That's the sort of
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Speaker 13: empty sort of husk of the legacy of Dan Andrews
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Speaker 13: in Victoria. For one thing, There's two things here. I
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Speaker 13: think you can say whatever you want, you can call
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Speaker 13: it the protesters morons or whatever. But if you have
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Speaker 13: fostered a culture that basically rewards extreme leftist behavior and
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Speaker 13: basically sort of you know, politicizes almost the entire state,
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Speaker 13: which is what's happened under three terms of socialist left
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Speaker 13: labor in Victoria, then you are going to get those things.
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Speaker 13: I don't see why you can't have a permit system
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Speaker 13: to protest in Victoria. We have the exact same thing
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Speaker 13: in New South Wales, and yet still we have these
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Speaker 13: doesn't interfere with freedom of speech. They still have their
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Speaker 13: bloody protests every single week. But when it comes to
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Speaker 13: things like, you know, protesting, you know, in support of
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Speaker 13: October seventh, or saying that you know, and this is
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Speaker 13: these are people who sympathize with the people who launched
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Speaker 13: the October seven terrorist tacks. Yeah, having their protests there,
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Speaker 13: which would have been right outside the Great Synagogue in Sydney,
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Speaker 13: for example, meant that police had the power to say,
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Speaker 13: oh no, you don't, you have to move it somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just not good enough, Holly, that these
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Speaker 1: protesters effectively are bullying everyone and they get away with
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Speaker 1: ruining what should have been just a simple joy, the
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Speaker 1: annual tradition that so many families have of going to
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Speaker 1: see the Christmas displays.
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Speaker 14: And but it just shows their idiocy watching some of
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Speaker 14: the tweets you just put up that this is the land.
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Speaker 2: That Jesus was from.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, not absolutely, that is where Jesus the Jew was from.
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Speaker 14: And so they actually destroy their own argument. And for
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Speaker 14: any of us that have been to Israel and know
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Speaker 14: that Bethlehem is actually run by the Palestinians, I've been
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Speaker 14: to the church, the Nativity where Jesus was born, what
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Speaker 14: Christmas is all about, and I actually brought a Bible
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Speaker 14: there and a few other things and brought them from Palestinians.
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Speaker 14: So these are people who are completely ignorant to everything
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Speaker 14: about what is going on. They have no comprehension the
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Speaker 14: fact that so many Palestinians actually blame Hamas for the
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Speaker 14: troubles and the hardships that they've endured, the treatment of women,
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Speaker 14: the treatment of gays, all of those things that Harmas
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Speaker 14: has been responsible for yet these so called you know, look,
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Speaker 14: they're just they're morons. And sorry, Joe, I know you
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Speaker 14: said you can say that they're completely but they are
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Speaker 14: just they are idiotic, They are stupid.
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Speaker 2: They don't understand history.
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Speaker 14: You know, they refer to colonization when you know Alasco
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Speaker 14: is on the top of Temple Mount.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're colonizing.
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Speaker 14: Somewhere you don't build underneath the temple, like, come on,
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Speaker 14: and it's the Second Temple. I mean, you know, they
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Speaker 14: don't understand the basics of the history. They don't understand
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Speaker 14: the basics of the actual geography of the region. And
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Speaker 14: to now say, well, you can't celebrate Christmas, well, I
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Speaker 14: can tell you whether you celebrate Christmas from a religious
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Speaker 14: perspective or whether you're more focused on Santa and the
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Speaker 14: presence under the tree. There aren't many Australian kids who
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Speaker 14: are going to be thankful to you if those presents
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Speaker 14: aren't under the tree from Santa.
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Speaker 2: And you know, maybe this is the hope.
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Speaker 14: Maybe you know, all those kids that have been indoctrinated
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Speaker 14: at university, hopefully the kids in the generation after them
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Speaker 14: are like, well, hang on, you try to ruin Christmas.
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Speaker 14: We're not going to side with you anymore, and we
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Speaker 14: might have hope for future generations because it seems like
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Speaker 14: some of this one is lost.
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Speaker 13: Also worth noting that the Jerusalem that Jesus was living
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Speaker 13: under was also colonized by the Romans, and Jesus absolutely refused,
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Speaker 13: point blank all the exhortations from those around him to
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Speaker 13: ever use violence as a political solution to that colonization.
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Speaker 13: So again, you know, I'm pretty well read on old JC.
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Speaker 13: And for the protest is to invoke his message or
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Speaker 13: his name in their crazyness, that just shows the house
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Speaker 13: they are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does.
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Speaker 1: Stupid and selfish and of course just adding to the
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Speaker 1: history lesson well, Jews were of course indigenous to the
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Speaker 1: land of Israel there for more than four thousand years.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's turn to the Prime Minister now, because
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Speaker 1: now China is holding Albanesi up as the role model
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Speaker 1: for Western leaders. This should be an embarrassment, Joe, because
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Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing that Albanize potentially struggling to forge
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Speaker 1: ties in Washington, but yet he's been praised by the
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Speaker 1: communist dictatorship of China.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, obviously this is not the sort of
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Speaker 13: praise that you want to hear. But this is not
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Speaker 13: of Albanese's doing. This is something that this is something
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Speaker 13: that China is trying to use to try to paint
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Speaker 13: Albanesi and the Australian government as something that they are
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Speaker 13: not in an effort to make other countries fall into
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Speaker 13: line and behave simily. And the fact that it is
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Speaker 13: so fall into line.
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Speaker 2: And behave similarly, that's exactly the point.
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Speaker 13: Yes, you're falling forward the Chinese propaganda. This is what
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Speaker 13: the Chinese are trying to do and the reason they
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Speaker 13: are doing it, and this is what so many people
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Speaker 13: are missing is because they are clearly and genuinely rattled
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Speaker 13: by the election of Donald Trump, and that is a
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Speaker 13: good thing. They are desperate and they say, oh my god,
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Speaker 13: it looks like, you know, America is now this unknown quantity.
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Speaker 13: We don't know how it's going to behave and then says, oh,
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Speaker 13: look we're going to you know, present this picture of Australia,
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Speaker 13: which they know is America's greatest ally in the region,
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Speaker 13: paint them as being supplicant in the hope that America
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Speaker 13: will say, oh, well, Australia is doing we'll do it too.
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Speaker 13: It is hopelessly naive and stupid and shamelessly transparent. But
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Speaker 13: it does show how worried China is.
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Speaker 9: And that is a good thing.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Holly, I mean, it's the worst
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Speaker 1: thing in the world, isn't it getting praise from dictators
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Speaker 1: when everyone can see that Albinezy government's petrified about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's election.
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Speaker 14: It's like paint by numbers, Joe, if they're painting a picture.
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Speaker 14: Because let me tell you, when they want to present
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Speaker 14: our easy as supplicate, it's because he is, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, the handsome boy.
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Speaker 14: This isn't the first time they've hate praise on him.
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Speaker 14: And if you spend a minute to listen to Comrade
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Speaker 14: Albinisi and his colleagues, they will all tell you how
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Speaker 14: wonderful they have been at their relationship with China, which
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Speaker 14: is basically just being will do what you want us
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Speaker 14: to do. They are absolutely fawning at China. We know
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Speaker 14: that it is absolutely frightening for Australians to think that
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Speaker 14: our Prime minister is more comfortable cozying up to left
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Speaker 14: wing communist dictatorships than he is with having relationships with
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Speaker 14: capitalist Western values leaders around the world. And I wouldn't
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Speaker 14: be saying this is something that should.
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Speaker 2: Be shirked at.
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Speaker 14: And if China is worried, let me tell you every
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Speaker 14: Australian elector out there, if they're worried about the election
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Speaker 14: of Trump, let's give them Peter Darton as well to
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Speaker 14: make sure that they do have a couple of strong men,
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Speaker 14: not one strong man and week supplicant there standing out
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Speaker 14: for Australia.
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Speaker 1: Very good points the fact that Albinize is more comfortable
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Speaker 1: criticizing our ally in Israel than he is China says
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Speaker 1: a lot. All right, Holly Hughes, Johud Brand, great to
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Speaker 1: see both of you. Well, let's return to the misinformation laws,
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Speaker 1: which have already passed the House of Representatives. They'll go
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Speaker 1: to a vote in the Senate next week. No doubt
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Speaker 1: the government will be offering the cross bench all sorts
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Speaker 1: of deals and sweeteners to try and get their support
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Speaker 1: this week, and the Coalition, as I spoke about, has
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Speaker 1: won that Australians could even be jailed under these new
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Speaker 1: laws were Prominent journalist and author Michael Shellenberger is sounding
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Speaker 1: the alarm. He's seriously concerned about these laws and their
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Speaker 1: impact on free speech. Here's my exclusive interview with him.
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Speaker 1: Michael Shellenberger, Thank you so much for your time. The
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Speaker 1: Australian government is introducing an o'wellian Misinformation Bill, where individuals
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Speaker 1: could be fined thousands of dollars if they don't take
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Speaker 1: down what bureaucrats determine is misinformation.
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Speaker 2: How dangerous do you think this would be for democracy?
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Speaker 9: Well, thanks for asking.
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Speaker 8: I mean I think it's a huge threat to democracy,
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Speaker 8: not just in Australia, but potentially around the world. The
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Speaker 8: authors of the legislation have made clear that they think
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Speaker 8: it should apply both internally and externally. We saw the
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Speaker 8: E Safety Commissioner earlier this year attempt to ban a
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Speaker 8: video from x formerly Twitter, not just in Australia but
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Speaker 8: around the world.
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Speaker 9: If you don't have free speech, you don't have democracy.
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Speaker 8: Democracy depends on people being able to speak their mind,
23:37
Speaker 8: and so what's happening in Australia it's really one of
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Speaker 8: the worst censorship efforts that we've seen anywhere over the
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Speaker 8: last several years.
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Speaker 1: In the policy documentation, the Albanezy government accuses Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: the President elect, of being a source of misinformation, claiming
23:53
Speaker 1: he told people to ingest Bleach, which he never did,
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Speaker 1: but in doing so, this is disinformation, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: And doesn't this pose two problems?
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Speaker 1: First, it's false accusations against the incoming president, but also
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Speaker 1: it shows how the truth can be so easily distorted
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Speaker 1: and labeled misinformation.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's exactly right. The case you're referring to, of course,
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Speaker 8: is the Ministry of the Ministry of Communications had falsely
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Speaker 8: suggested that Trump suggested that Bill should drink bleach or
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Speaker 8: inject bleach. That's been widely debunked, and yet they're citing
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Speaker 8: that as reason why they need these new censorship powers.
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Speaker 8: I think it points to something very important here, which
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Speaker 8: is that almost always the demands for censorship are of
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Speaker 8: accurate information, and almost always they are involved spreading misinformation.
24:44
Speaker 8: So you see a very funny sort of projection by
24:47
Speaker 8: the people that want censorship accusing other people of misinformation
24:50
Speaker 8: while they themselves are spreading misinformation. The reason that that
24:54
Speaker 8: happens is because the people that want censorship are really
24:57
Speaker 8: blind to their own foibles. They are are very arrogant,
25:01
Speaker 8: they don't have very much self awareness, and so in
25:05
Speaker 8: fact that researchers have studied this, it's a form of
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Speaker 8: narcissism known as the first person effect, where people can't
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Speaker 8: perceive that they themselves are guilty of the thing they're
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Speaker 8: accusing others. So it's really this is the basis of deutulitarianism,
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Speaker 8: that you're going to be ruled over by people that
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Speaker 8: are really imagine themselves to be pure and perfect and
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Speaker 8: always right, and seeking to censor people that they disagree with.
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Speaker 8: I'm often on the basis of false information.
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Speaker 1: The United States is moving towards a total free speech model,
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Speaker 1: particularly since Elon Musk bought x and yet the Albanesi
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Speaker 1: government with its censorship bill, is moving in precisely the
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Speaker 1: opposite or Wellian direction. What are the risks here with
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Speaker 1: the Labor government's approach.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's pretty shocking that the Albanesi government is proposing
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Speaker 8: this sweeping censorship bill. They have not made made no
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Speaker 8: secret of the fact that they want to censor Trump,
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Speaker 8: that they want to censor Elon Musk. That strikes me
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Speaker 8: as a very unwise and counterproductive act of aggression against
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Speaker 8: the incoming Trump administration.
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Speaker 9: You know, we Americans have.
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Speaker 8: Always valued our relationship with Australia. We look, you know,
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Speaker 8: very kindly on all of our English speaking allies around
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Speaker 8: the world.
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Speaker 9: This is just a very strange act.
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Speaker 8: Of hostility by the Albanizi government against Donald Trump and
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Speaker 8: one of his main supporters, who also happens to run
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Speaker 8: the largest free speech platform in the world. You Know,
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Speaker 8: the funny thing is people say that Elon Musk has
26:36
Speaker 8: you know, a strong free speech standard. You know, Musk
26:39
Speaker 8: actually censors a significant amount of content that is legally
26:43
Speaker 8: allowed under our constitution, mostly under pressure from various groups
26:47
Speaker 8: that want to see a lot of censorship. So what's
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Speaker 8: being proposed in Australia is downright to talitarian. I mean,
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Speaker 8: you're having the government demand that Musk censor things that
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Speaker 8: are true that are in to the Albanesi government.
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Speaker 9: But I just can't understand.
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Speaker 8: I don't think the people of Australia really understand just
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Speaker 8: how big of a fight the Australian government is picking
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Speaker 8: with the incoming Trump administration. I can't see that as
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Speaker 8: being in the interests of the people of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Michael, this has barely been reported at all, but actually
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Speaker 1: religious leaders across many different faiths are condemning this bill
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Speaker 1: because it would give bureaucrats the ability to determine whether
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Speaker 1: the content of a religious belief is misinformation or not.
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Speaker 1: This is highly concerning because people should be able to
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Speaker 1: believe whatever they like according to their religion. I mean,
27:39
Speaker 1: how can you have bureaucrats determining whether religious beliefs are misinformation.
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Speaker 2: It's just absurd.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's terrifying. I mean, this is something that we've had.
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Speaker 8: We've had protections of religious freedom for hundreds of years
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Speaker 8: in the West, starting in Europe in the you know,
27:55
Speaker 8: as early as the sixteen seventeenth centuries. What you're really
27:59
Speaker 8: seeing here is a mentality of the Inquisition. You know,
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Speaker 8: one of the characteristics of totalitarianism is the penetration by
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Speaker 8: politics of all realms of life. And so I think
28:11
Speaker 8: the Albaniza government is treating its particular brand of woke
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Speaker 8: politics as a religion, and so they're out on a
28:18
Speaker 8: hunt for heretics. This is a very familiar pattern of
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Speaker 8: all titalitarian systems, whether it's the Inquisition or fascism or communism.
28:27
Speaker 8: The fact that this is dressing itself up as protecting
28:30
Speaker 8: people is actually precisely what or Well worried about when
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Speaker 8: he wrote nineteen eighty four. So it's scary to look at.
28:38
Speaker 8: It's like a black mirror episode to see Australia demanding
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Speaker 8: censorship in the name of free speech and defending censorship
28:48
Speaker 8: in the name of protecting people. In fact, they're going
28:50
Speaker 8: to they're making very clear that they intend to use
28:53
Speaker 8: it as a tool to persecute people who have other
28:56
Speaker 8: religions than the official state religion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so dangerous, and you articulate the risks
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Speaker 1: very very well, Michael. Donald Trump has committed to transparency
29:09
Speaker 1: around information on a range of topics that are currently
29:12
Speaker 1: top secret or highly classified. You've done a lot of
29:16
Speaker 1: reporting in this space. What do you think needs to
29:19
Speaker 1: be released under Trump's administration.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's so much secrecy that has piled up over
29:26
Speaker 9: the years.
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Speaker 8: Exactly fifty years from when Trump takes office, the Senate
29:32
Speaker 8: of the United States held very big investigation. It was
29:34
Speaker 8: called the Church Committee hearings. We need that again, it's
29:38
Speaker 8: fifty years of secrets have accumulated. Boy, there's so many
29:41
Speaker 8: different things that the government is hiding that need to
29:44
Speaker 8: come out.
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Speaker 9: I would say at the top of the list is
29:47
Speaker 9: the origin of COVID.
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Speaker 8: We need to know, you know, what the government what
29:50
Speaker 8: the US government knows that it hasn't made public yet.
29:54
Speaker 8: Americans still don't have all the files around the investigation
29:59
Speaker 8: into the fascination of President John F. Kennedy over sixty
30:04
Speaker 8: years ago. We also there's been a big debate in
30:07
Speaker 8: the United States over what used to be called UFOs
30:10
Speaker 8: that are now called unidentified anomalist phenomena. I, like many others,
30:14
Speaker 8: do not claim to know what they are, but the
30:17
Speaker 8: military has taken them seriously, but it continues to refuse
30:20
Speaker 8: to release what we know are many films and videos
30:23
Speaker 8: about UAPs, something actually that is a big That's been
30:27
Speaker 8: an issue as well in Australia, where if you don't
30:30
Speaker 8: care what they do, if you think their weather balloons
30:33
Speaker 8: or Chinese spice satellites or birds or some sort of
30:37
Speaker 8: optical illusion, these are things that, like all these things
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Speaker 8: are best out in the open where we can have
30:42
Speaker 8: an open discussion of scientific based discussion.
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Speaker 9: So I think the key here is transparency.
30:47
Speaker 8: Donald Trump has promised to release all that information, plus
30:51
Speaker 8: certainly the information around the corruption of the and the
30:54
Speaker 8: weaponization of federal agencies to target him and falsely claim
30:59
Speaker 8: that he was compromised by the Russian government that was disproved,
31:04
Speaker 8: But we still haven't gotten to the bottom of the weaponization,
31:08
Speaker 8: including the weaponization of the FBI and CIA, not just
31:11
Speaker 8: in twenty sixteen, but again in twenty twenty as it
31:15
Speaker 8: related to running a disinformation operation. This has now proven
31:18
Speaker 8: this is not a theory disinformation operation around the Hunter
31:22
Speaker 8: Biden laptop.
31:23
Speaker 9: The laptop that shows showed that the.
31:25
Speaker 8: Biden family is involved in it was involved in a
31:28
Speaker 8: vast influence pedling scheme involving the Ukrainians, the Chinese, and
31:32
Speaker 8: many other governments. So really it's time to come clean.
31:35
Speaker 8: I think that the goal should be truth in reconciliation,
31:38
Speaker 8: not revenge. But we can't have truth and reconciliation until
31:41
Speaker 8: we have the proper disclosure and transparency of what's been
31:45
Speaker 8: kept secret from us for so long.
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Speaker 1: Michael, You're reporting has been extraordinary across so many different issues.
31:52
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. I really appreciate
31:55
Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 9: Thank you so much.
31:57
Speaker 8: Hereon back at you, I really appreciate your reporting on
31:59
Speaker 8: the issues as well.
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Speaker 1: And I also asked Michael Schellenberger a bit more about
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Speaker 1: his recent reporting on UFOs or UAPs as he said
32:08
Speaker 1: they're now called. And that'll be online at sky news
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Speaker 1: dot com dot au tonight if you'd like to watch
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Speaker 1: that and Michael's on route to Australia as we speak
32:17
Speaker 1: to continue this fight on the misinformation laws, and Paul
32:20
Speaker 1: Maury's going to tell you how you can help, So
32:23
Speaker 1: watch his show tonight at nine o'clock. Still to come
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Speaker 1: on my program more details on the shock arrest of
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Speaker 1: radio legend Alan Jones. I'll bring you Caroline Marcus's report
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Speaker 1: from the police station that's right after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well, a political polster will join me here in a
32:43
Speaker 1: minute to talk about how quickly alban Easy is losing
32:47
Speaker 1: the trust of voters. But let's return to today's biggest
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Speaker 1: story now, the arrest of shock jock Alan Jones just
32:54
Speaker 1: before eight o'clock this morning. Once the most feared man
32:57
Speaker 1: in broadcasting, now he's the center of a media, police
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Speaker 1: and legal storm. Detectives executed a search warranted his iconic
33:06
Speaker 1: toaster apartment in Circular Key before arresting him over allegations
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Speaker 1: he indecently assaulted young men during his radio career. We
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Speaker 1: learned today he's been the subject of a highly secretive
33:17
Speaker 1: investigation by the State Crime Commands Child Abuse Squad. Here's
33:22
Speaker 1: more from Caroline Marcus.
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Speaker 15: Police allege Alan Jones's eight victims ranged from a seventeen
33:29
Speaker 15: year old to.
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Speaker 2: A man aged in his fifties.
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Speaker 15: They say the alleged offenses took place between two thousand
33:37
Speaker 15: and one and twenty nineteen and involved both people who
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Speaker 15: had worked for him, as well as people he'd allegedly
33:44
Speaker 15: assaulted upon first meeting. The eighty three year old has
33:48
Speaker 15: been charged with a total of twenty four offenses, including
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Speaker 15: eleven counts of aggravated and decent assault where a victim
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Speaker 15: has been under his authority, nine counts of assault with
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Speaker 15: act of indecency, two counts of sexually touching another person
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Speaker 15: without consent, and two counts of common assault.
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Speaker 1: And as I said before, Alan Jones has denied the allegations.
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Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty and he'll face caught. On
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Speaker 1: December eighteen, we're now in the wake of the US election.
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Speaker 1: A new Freshwater Strategy poll has found that nearly half
34:22
Speaker 1: of voters believe Peter Dutton would be better than Albin
34:25
Speaker 1: Easy at engaging with Donald Trump. The pole also found
34:29
Speaker 1: that Albo had all but lost his lead in the
34:31
Speaker 1: preferred prime minister survey. And I'm now joined by Director
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Speaker 1: of Freshwater Strategy Leo Shanahan Leo, thanks for your time. Look,
34:40
Speaker 1: this is concerning that Albin Easy can manage China, but
34:44
Speaker 1: voters believe he's going to have a problem with the
34:46
Speaker 1: new president of the US.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is an interesting one, Cherry. I think that
34:50
Speaker 6: just juxtaposition you point to is kind of telling in
34:55
Speaker 6: that he has been on stage recently with Chinese leaders
35:00
Speaker 6: trying to, you know, as you should men the Australia
35:03
Speaker 6: Chinese relationship. But people aren't fools, and when they see
35:07
Speaker 6: someone like Donald Trump elected, they understand that the side
35:11
Speaker 6: of politics that the Albanezi comes from is not going
35:14
Speaker 6: to work as well with the type and side of
35:17
Speaker 6: politics that Donald Trump stands for. And I think that
35:20
Speaker 6: leads into this overall issue of management of the Trump
35:24
Speaker 6: administration by a labor government. And it doesn't really help
35:28
Speaker 6: that a former labor Prime minister in Kevin Rudd, is
35:32
Speaker 6: the ambassador there, and it's obviously on record making numerous
35:36
Speaker 6: disparaging remarks about the next president of the United States.
35:40
Speaker 6: So I don't think anyone is fooled by the fact
35:43
Speaker 6: that by the obvious alliance that Donald Trump would have
35:49
Speaker 6: more in common. I think believe with Peter Dutton as well,
35:53
Speaker 6: as it goes to personality to some degree, I think
35:56
Speaker 6: there's a recognition that Donald Trump is more of a
36:00
Speaker 6: wrong man and has sympathies for other strong leaders, and
36:04
Speaker 6: I think Peter Dutton is viewed very much in that category.
36:08
Speaker 1: Well, looking at how Dutt and versus Albanezi would handle
36:11
Speaker 1: some of the issues that are dominating voters concerns ahead
36:16
Speaker 1: of the next election, well, can you run us through
36:18
Speaker 1: some of those key issues?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I think you know, once again, the cost and standard
36:23
Speaker 6: of living by far is that key issue for people,
36:26
Speaker 6: seventy seven percent of people nominating that issue, and that's
36:31
Speaker 6: rolled up in a kind of super issue, as I've said,
36:34
Speaker 6: with housing and accommodation forty two percent people nominating that.
36:38
Speaker 6: Management and the economy once again, health and crime and
36:42
Speaker 6: social order, And among those top five the Coalition is
36:46
Speaker 6: leading on all counts on all five, sorry I should
36:49
Speaker 6: say on health and social care they're still but they're
36:51
Speaker 6: only marginally behind. And for a coalition opposition to be
36:55
Speaker 6: marginally behind a labor government on health and social care
36:58
Speaker 6: is a concern.
36:59
Speaker 2: And what about immigration?
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Speaker 6: Immigration is an interesting one show because I think you
37:03
Speaker 6: know it didn't track as a major issue immigration and
37:08
Speaker 6: asylum for a few years, and it has really grown
37:12
Speaker 6: in people's consciousness as sixteen percent. Now, that might not
37:16
Speaker 6: sound that high, but compared to something like the environment
37:18
Speaker 6: and climate change, which we were told with such dominant
37:21
Speaker 6: issues for so many years, that's only at nineteen percent.
37:25
Speaker 6: So the almost a parity in terms of issues of importance,
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Speaker 6: and the Coalition very much leading on that issue of.
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Speaker 9: Asylum and immigration.
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Speaker 2: All right, Leah Shanahan, thank you very much for joining
37:38
Speaker 2: us to explain that. Thanks Ery.
37:41
Speaker 1: Now coming up after the break, it's a war of words.
37:43
Speaker 1: Ray Hadley sprays alban Easy while Jim Charmers flies off
37:47
Speaker 1: the handle about Peter Dutton. I'll talk about those moments
37:51
Speaker 1: with my political panel next.
37:54
Speaker 2: And move on.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in our Monday Night political panel former chief
38:03
Speaker 1: of staff to Bill Shotton, Cameron Milner and former Howard
38:06
Speaker 1: advisor David Gazzard.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both as always.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: I want to return to this.
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Speaker 1: Epic spray that Ray Hadley had about Anthony Alberanizi on
38:15
Speaker 1: Friday morning because it was so spot on.
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Speaker 2: Let's recap It's just infuriating.
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Speaker 5: It's infuriating, it makes you just dead set angry to
38:26
Speaker 5: even contemplate that we are led by a pack of cowards,
38:29
Speaker 5: a pack of cowards. Anthony Albanesi. I thought he might
38:33
Speaker 5: make a Galbert. He is the worst prime minister we've
38:36
Speaker 5: ever had, the worst.
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Speaker 2: Quite the spray, Cameron, what do you reckon? Do you agree?
38:43
Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 7: It was the spray, wasn't it? And Ray Hadley's reflecting
38:46
Speaker 7: what his own viewers and what we're seeing in polling Shari.
38:49
Speaker 7: He's seen as weak, fundamentally weak in tough times when
38:52
Speaker 7: he's strong leaders and Albanize is giving us complete weakness.
38:56
Speaker 7: But he's also wounded, which is why people are after him.
38:58
Speaker 7: White people at the attack is being placed on Albanie.
39:01
Speaker 7: So Albaniz is like a wilderbeast in the savannah. Further
39:04
Speaker 7: further back in the pack aging, stumbling from cliff top
39:07
Speaker 7: mansion to quite as upgrade. He's wounded and he's weak,
39:10
Speaker 7: and there's certainly the scent of blood about him in
39:13
Speaker 7: terms of where people are going after him. And no
39:14
Speaker 7: wonder Bray Hadley gave him the spray.
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Speaker 1: He said he was lower than a snake's belly. David Gazart,
39:21
Speaker 1: I mean this perception of Albansi accurate perception, I would say,
39:25
Speaker 1: is starting to cut through with voters.
39:30
Speaker 3: We haven't seen a prime minister sort of in the
39:33
Speaker 3: same position really for quite some time without a sign
39:39
Speaker 3: that he's going to be able to recover, and his
39:41
Speaker 3: numbers have been steadily sliding now for a year. He's
39:46
Speaker 3: faced with a number of intractable problems and you just
39:49
Speaker 3: don't know how Anthony Alberanezi will turn the corner. Now,
39:53
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley, he's been around for a while, He's seen
39:56
Speaker 3: a lot of pms. He is leaving to GB very influential,
40:01
Speaker 3: so he can sort of speak his mind without any recriminations,
40:05
Speaker 3: I would imagine. But he's certainly let fly there, hasn't he.
40:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I think all of us can speak our
40:10
Speaker 1: mind and we hope that there would be no recriminations
40:13
Speaker 1: at all. But you know, he is coming up to
40:15
Speaker 1: the end of his time in radio, Ray Hadley, and
40:17
Speaker 1: this is what he thinks of Alvin easy Camerra Milner,
40:21
Speaker 1: You've written a column tonight in The Nightly where you
40:24
Speaker 1: don't hold back either. You talk about the Prime Minister
40:27
Speaker 1: going on many overseas trips and just not paying enough
40:32
Speaker 1: attention to the issues.
40:33
Speaker 2: That matter here. In Australia. Can you expand on that
40:36
Speaker 2: for us?
40:38
Speaker 7: Well, he knew the present US presidential election was going
40:40
Speaker 7: to be on and so that was a known thing.
40:42
Speaker 7: He knew where APEC was on you and G twenty
40:44
Speaker 7: was on, but he scheduled Pilam at the same time
40:45
Speaker 7: so he didn't have to turn up to work. Shari,
40:47
Speaker 7: this spoke's half a world away, you know, getting backslaps
40:51
Speaker 7: and hugs from Trudeau and others and being told about
40:53
Speaker 7: how he's made in China by President Z. Well, no,
40:57
Speaker 7: he should be back here doing his job. He should
40:59
Speaker 7: be back here taking questions in Parliament. I mean, this
41:01
Speaker 7: spoke is a guy who's absent from work, absent from
41:04
Speaker 7: work half a world away, and people and Australians are
41:06
Speaker 7: going to see that, are going to vote for it.
41:09
Speaker 7: They're not going to tolerate someone who's not on a
41:11
Speaker 7: job twenty four to seven fighting the cost of living.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's extraordinary just how much of Parliament he is missing.
41:17
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, the Treasurer Jim Chalmers has attacked Peter Dutton
41:21
Speaker 1: on air this morning after that poll that I was
41:23
Speaker 1: just speaking about before, showing Dutton would be more effective
41:27
Speaker 1: at handling Trump have a look.
41:29
Speaker 16: I think when it comes to Peter Dutton, I think
41:31
Speaker 16: he has a kind of a reckless arrogance which doesn't
41:34
Speaker 16: lend itself to foreign policy and maintaining and managing some
41:37
Speaker 16: of these complex relationships. I think he would be a
41:41
Speaker 16: risk to our economy. I think that kind of reckless
41:44
Speaker 16: arrogance doesn't lend itself to managing these relationships.
41:48
Speaker 1: David Gazarde, I think this is the key point. Labour's
41:51
Speaker 1: entire pre election strategy was on playing the man with
41:55
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, but it's not going to work.
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Speaker 3: I look, they've tried this before with Scott Morrison and
42:04
Speaker 3: were successful. From my position, they effectively Assessin's character. So
42:09
Speaker 3: I mean what you do when you've got an unpopular
42:11
Speaker 3: leader is you can't reverse the fortunes and make people
42:16
Speaker 3: like him. So what you do is you drag the
42:19
Speaker 3: other bloke down to a point these blow within him,
42:22
Speaker 3: and that's what they managed to do. I mean Scott
42:24
Speaker 3: Morrison was seeking a fourth term, which is always difficult,
42:28
Speaker 3: and you can do that from opposition. It's a lot
42:31
Speaker 3: more difficult to do that from government. People expect you
42:35
Speaker 3: to govern, people expect you to take responsibility for where
42:39
Speaker 3: things are at. And I think you know, this has
42:42
Speaker 3: been six months of.
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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton and Peter Dutton and Peter Dutt and Peter
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Speaker 4: dunn Peter Duddon's the fault of all the problems in society,
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Speaker 4: Peter Dunnan's missed the economy. You just kind of want
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Speaker 4: to shake them and say you've got to govern now,
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Speaker 4: this is your job to govern. So I think we're
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Speaker 4: in the same template now as we were before the
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Speaker 4: last election. They want to drag Peter Dutton back and
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Speaker 4: you're going to see a mother of scarecmp mother of
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Speaker 4: all scare campaigns between now and the election whenever that
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Speaker 4: may be.
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Speaker 2: Look, and it's the.
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Speaker 1: Same strategy that the Democrats played against Trump and the US.
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Speaker 1: They made it all about him personally, But the reality
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Speaker 1: is that there are some serious issues that people are
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Speaker 1: worried about globally, cost of living, the economy, and social cohesion,
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Speaker 1: and people are voting on those issues, not on personality.
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Speaker 1: Karon Milner, David Gazard, thank you both very much for
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Speaker 1: your time.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you next Monday. Thank you, and don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 1: We turned to the US, where Donald Trump and his
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Speaker 1: new inner circle of Elon Mascarfk and Vivek Rameswami are
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Speaker 1: the new squad taking over the Internet. Plus our look
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Speaker 1: at Trump's cabinet shaping up to be a young but
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Speaker 1: powerful one. All of that with Koshergada after this quick break.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Taylor swear her girl gang with the coolest
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Speaker 1: squad in town. Well now they've been overtaken by Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, Vivak Ramaswami, RFK, Tossy Gabbard and Mike Johnson.
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Speaker 1: They went to the UFC together. A bunch of them
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Speaker 1: have posed for pictures on private jets eating McDonald's and
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Speaker 1: Moore and I was actually surprised to see RFK eating
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Speaker 1: macas they're given. He has declared a war against junk food.
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Speaker 1: All right, Sky News contributor Koshagada joins me. Now, Kocha,
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Speaker 1: this is the new core group in politics. You know,
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Speaker 1: the fans on the internet are going crazy. But Trump
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Speaker 1: and Elon Musk in particular basically joined at their hip
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Speaker 1: and they're promising to shake things up.
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Speaker 2: They sure are.
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Speaker 10: They have not left each other aside as you see,
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Speaker 10: and they look like they're having the time of their
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Speaker 10: lives in this past week, in Mari Lago and elsewhere.
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Speaker 10: You know, there's this famous saying that says politics is
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Speaker 10: downstream from culture. I think what Trump and Musk and
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Speaker 10: this whole group are proving, at least in this instance,
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Speaker 10: it's in the reverse, and culture is downstream from politics.
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Speaker 10: Everything from his dance move to these photos that they're
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Speaker 10: releasing and they're having fun at the UFC and flying
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Speaker 10: on jets and all of that. It's interesting because on
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Speaker 10: top it's layering and packaging something about how that cool
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Speaker 10: factors are saying and how this team is going to
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Speaker 10: work together, this group of outsiders, on top of the
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Speaker 10: actual policy picks that have been making a lot of
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Speaker 10: news right now. And I think it's all deliberate with
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Speaker 10: Trump that he's trying to signal this cohesive team that
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Speaker 10: shares the same vision and having a lot of fun
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Speaker 10: at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've been talking about Trump's cabinet appointees in recent days.
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Speaker 1: One of his latest is the new Press Secretary, the
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Speaker 1: youngest ever at the White House, Carolyn Levitt, also a
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Speaker 1: Now the controversial pick has been rfk Junior to head
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Speaker 1: the Department of Health and Human Services. What's the reaction
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Speaker 1: Kosher been like to these two appointments.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the reaction to these two, as with
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Speaker 10: all the others, is really like a tale of two cities,
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Speaker 10: tale of two realities. And there's the side the losers
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Speaker 10: who lost in this election, Democrats and their allies are
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Speaker 10: not happy with any of these picks because they are
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Speaker 10: these outsiders, brawlers, come from a different point of view
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Speaker 10: often than the traditional type. And then on the other side,
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Speaker 10: the people that gave Trump the mandate are actually thrilled
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Speaker 10: with these types of picks. For these two in particular,
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Speaker 10: Caroline Love at very young twenty seven years old, she
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Speaker 10: was a pretty fierce, fire breathing spokesperson for him during
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Speaker 10: the campaign, and she would go in and do battle
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Speaker 10: with CNN and MSNBC on a regular basis.
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Speaker 2: So I think she's got her.
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Speaker 10: Own fandom, and I think the press briefings are going
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Speaker 10: to be spicier this time around because of that. And
46:37
Speaker 10: then RFK of course is interesting in terms of his
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Speaker 10: policy positions and what he wants to look at in
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Speaker 10: terms of the food supply and the vaccine complex and
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Speaker 10: all of that. But I also think on that symbolic level,
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Speaker 10: the fact that he is this iconic democrat that supported
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Speaker 10: Trump and now has earned a position in the cabinet.
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Speaker 10: Is really interesting when people have spent the better part
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Speaker 10: of the last decade framing Trump is a divisive figure.
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Speaker 10: It's just interesting that one of the most iconic democrat
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Speaker 10: US history is actually in his cabinet now potentially.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating, Kosher.
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Speaker 1: I just want to shift to Russia because Russia has
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Speaker 1: targeted Ukraine in a major drone in missile attack, and
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Speaker 1: this comes kind of shortly after Joe Biden greenlit Ukraine's
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Speaker 1: use of long range missiles against Russia.
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Speaker 2: Do you think these two things are linked. It would
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Speaker 2: appear so.
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Speaker 10: And it is interesting that the Biden administration made this
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Speaker 10: move at the eleventh hour, which is two months left
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Speaker 10: in his presidency. And some would say that it's sort
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Speaker 10: of he's pushing in or packing in a little bit
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Speaker 10: of an escalatory move while he has that time left,
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Speaker 10: because the Trump administration has made no secret of the
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Speaker 10: fact that they're going to go a different way, probably
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Speaker 10: towards a peace settlement of some sort. And I do
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Speaker 10: think that the two things are linked, and that's probably
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Speaker 10: the most logical conclusion we can draw from what's happened
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Speaker 10: in the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, that Russia attack overnight in Ukraine has been
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Speaker 1: a highly concerning and it has been reported that it
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Speaker 1: targeted some critical site. So look, we have to hope
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Speaker 1: that that aggression from Russia doesn't escalate as well in
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Speaker 1: the next two months. I mean, Trump has said he's
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Speaker 1: going to sort this out. We're yet to hear the
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Speaker 1: proper detail of that.
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Speaker 2: His remarks.
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Speaker 1: As you said during his election campaign about Zelenski, We're
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Speaker 1: very concerning. You know, let's hope he doesn't go down
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Speaker 1: any weak national security path because we do need a
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Speaker 1: strong US leadership on this front and not to side
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Speaker 1: with Russia. All Right, Koshagada, thank you very much for
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Speaker 1: your time. I won't be here tomorrow night. I'm at
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Speaker 1: the Walkley Journalism Awards. I'll be back on Wednesday at
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Speaker 1: eight o'clock. But right now he's Paul Murray and he
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Speaker 1: is going to fire up about those misinformation laws.
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Speaker 2: Here. He is