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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Nooman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: Gold Zone is talking about the NFC North. For today's
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  Speaker 1: third installment in our annual NFL Division Preview series, we
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  Speaker 1: discuss the NFC North and we are joined by a
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  Speaker 1: very special guest. He's a longtime ESPN insider, NFL expert,
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  Speaker 3: Good afternoon, gentlemen, our guests, good morning, depending on what
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  Speaker 3: day somebody out there. I feel a ton of pressure
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  Speaker 3: because I too am addicted to the Gold Zone, and
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  Speaker 3: I too must stand for both Scott Hansen and Andrew Siciliano,
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, people are thinking about those
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  Speaker 1: The way you set that up just now, how people
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  Speaker 1: That's how Simon usually sets things up when he is
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  Speaker 1: So nice job.
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  Speaker 1: Of the way exactly, Although if we're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: NFC North, that might get ugly because there's going to
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  Speaker 2: All right, I want to do a really quick field story. Field.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an og Fantasy Focus fan, So if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know the show Field Yates is an amazing show with
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  Speaker 2: our guy dop Over at ESPN. They crushed it every
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  Speaker 2: week talking fantacy football. And when he came on, I
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  Speaker 2: mean this is years ago. There was a guy named
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  Speaker 2: Nate rap who's a weasel, and it was Matthew Berry.
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  Speaker 2: And again I wasn't the biggest fantasy football guy back
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  Speaker 2: in the day. I was all about baseball and we
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe this Matthew Berry. That's what his specialty used
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  Speaker 2: to be. Like, he was a down to miss Rodi.
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  Speaker 2: He was amazing at baseball. And the worst days of
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  Speaker 2: my life was when Field Yates came on and had
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  Speaker 2: replaced Nate Rabbits a little. Did I know I'd eventually
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  Speaker 2: loved this field yet it's just because he came. I
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  Speaker 2: think me and Fielder around the same age. And just
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  Speaker 2: like Vanning Fantasy Focused fan, I was just like they
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  Speaker 2: took away my weasel. They took away my weasel for
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  Speaker 2: this handsome man with an amazing smile named Field Yates.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you when I finally broke and really
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  Speaker 2: started really liking you, Fields, Eastpin did a weird thing
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  Speaker 2: where they hypnotized all you guys. Do you remember this
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  Speaker 2: when they hypnotized you?
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  Speaker 3: Of course I do, Yeah, of course, dude.
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  Speaker 2: That was my favorite experience of my life when they
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  Speaker 2: hypnotized you. And not like that you were a robot
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  Speaker 2: when he hypnotized you, but it was it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: You were so into it that you were literally full
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  Speaker 2: on hypnotize. And I would love to hear your experience
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  Speaker 2: on what happened when you got hypnotized. You remember that
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  Speaker 2: and you come out and people are like, dude, what
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  Speaker 2: just happened to you on TV?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So, so a couple of things here. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: Nate has nobody to blame but himself. Nate Rabbits is
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  Speaker 3: just he keeps promoting himself, right, Nate, Who's like he's
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  Speaker 3: a weasel influential figure. Yes, he's just he's a big boss. Now,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't I aim to, you know, waste an hour
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  Speaker 3: of his day talking about fantasy football with peons like
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  Speaker 3: myself and Daniel Lops, Fina mel and Mike Clay as well.
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  Speaker 3: He's now this big wig. Like, I send Nate an
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  Speaker 3: email and I'm fortunate if he writes me back. He's
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  Speaker 3: got so many more important people in his life.
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  Speaker 2: That's a joke.
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  Speaker 3: Nate is very responsive. But yeah, I mean it was
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  Speaker 3: actually like a little daunting stepping into that seed at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh were you were you like twenty five, twenty six?
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  Speaker 3: It was probably yeah, because this is probably like eight
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  Speaker 3: or nine, maybe ten seasons. Now, I would have been nervous.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's also just like they have this. Here's what
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  Speaker 3: I told people is that that first season, I said,
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  Speaker 3: if the show does anything other than grow, it's my fault, right,
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  Speaker 3: because it's nothing had changed for me, right, So I
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  Speaker 3: remember thinking, I actually, at the time ESPN, I was
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  Speaker 3: living in Massachusetts, and the ESPN said, you don't actually
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  Speaker 3: have to come down here and to the show, like,
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  Speaker 3: we're totally comfortable with you doing it remote. And I
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  Speaker 3: said to them, you know what, I don't feel comfortable
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  Speaker 3: doing it remote with this is pre pandemic. We're like
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  Speaker 3: doing something remote. It was like a far different experience
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  Speaker 3: than where it is now. I went and moved in
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  Speaker 3: how about this for a life experience. I went and
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  Speaker 3: moved in with a friends friends of mine who were
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  Speaker 3: engaged and going through the wedding planning process. This was
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  Speaker 3: well before I was dating my now wife or anywhere
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  Speaker 3: close to being engaged myself. So like, I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 3: consulting on like, you know, table settings and you know,
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  Speaker 3: first dance songs, like all kinds of stuff that I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be bothered with again for like a decade. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that first season was a little bit daunting in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: And then to sort of just fast forward I think
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  Speaker 3: it was probably three or four years later to that
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  Speaker 3: hypnotist scene. Not seeing that experience. We did the Fantasy
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  Speaker 3: Football Marathon every year. We've got one coming around the
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  Speaker 3: corner here August nineteenth and twentieth on ESPN. And a
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  Speaker 3: producer who was doing one of the shows, because the marathon,
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  Speaker 3: obviously being twenty four plus hours, is going to require
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  Speaker 3: lots of different hands on deck, He's like, Hey, my
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  Speaker 3: cousin is a hypnotist down in like southern Connecticut. Who
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  Speaker 3: would anybody here be gained to do it? And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you know, first of all, I was at
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  Speaker 3: the point of my career, which I don't ever want
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  Speaker 3: to leave entirely, but everything they threw my way, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: so I agreed to do it, of course. And then
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  Speaker 3: I would say this, it's not just that it's somebody
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  Speaker 3: who I haven't met before, but also somebody who haven't
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  Speaker 3: met before that it's related to a friend of mine
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  Speaker 3: and a colleague of mind. I wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that I bought into the experience. I wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: bot in of the yayah you got to buy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And so there are probably some things that I would
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  Speaker 3: prime value, like being hypnotized for again in a future life,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Like I've heard of friends that have snapped
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  Speaker 3: bad habits by being hypnotized. If so, I have yet
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  Speaker 3: to try that, but if I do encounter one, or
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  Speaker 3: if I persist with one, that I currently have a
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  Speaker 3: hypnotist available for hire, please reach out to me, because
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  Speaker 3: I might be the right clients review.
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  Speaker 1: So it's funny, Simon, you don't even know this. You
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned Daniel Dopp, who obviously is a regular on
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  Speaker 1: the show and has gone on to a great career
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  Speaker 1: at ESPN and is on air. Daniel Dopp was the
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  Speaker 1: original producer of my gambling podcast on ESPN. How about
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  Speaker 1: that when I left ESPN and he would come on
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  Speaker 1: the show. When I left ESPN to start Action Network,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel I offered Daniel Dopp the job to be lead
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  Speaker 1: audio producer at the Action Network. Matt Matcheell is not
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  Speaker 1: a part of the conversation dat I didn't even He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like he had He was still in school, he
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  Speaker 1: was getting his graduate degree. Dopp was going to come
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  Speaker 1: ESPN offered a new deal to be on air and
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  Speaker 1: do some of the producing that he was doing and
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  Speaker 1: eventually transitioned to being on air full time. And so
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  Speaker 1: that was too good of a deal for him. He
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  Speaker 1: took it. I love Top you stay in touch. He's amazing,
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  Speaker 1: He's got a great career going.
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  Speaker 2: He's awesome, and he was just at the time, he
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  Speaker 2: was different than what was in the fantasy space. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: that's why I was like, sure, he was a smart,
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  Speaker 2: smart move by you spent putting him in that spot.
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  Speaker 1: Totally smart. Number one, number two, I know you guys
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  Speaker 1: are shitting on Nate. And he played a great role
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I Love Nate.
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  Speaker 1: Also also a good friend. He was just a good friend.
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  Speaker 1: Of mine and people should know, like he's actually a
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  Speaker 1: good guy in real life, he's the best. But he
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  Speaker 1: had a great role on the show. It would not
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  Speaker 1: surprise me at all if he big timed Field.
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  Speaker 3: Just the irony of all irony is that Nate was
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  Speaker 3: one of the very first people. And I'm gonna use
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  Speaker 3: I guess an somewhat odd term invested me. Like when
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  Speaker 3: I got to ESPN, I was doing just basically I
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  Speaker 3: was doing. I was freelancing for that Massa Chusets. I
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  Speaker 3: was helping them with some Patriots content, and Nate, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this really successful person who has gone on to even
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  Speaker 3: more success, was like, I think there might be something
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  Speaker 3: for you, but candidly, we need you to do stuff
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  Speaker 3: beyond like Mike Grace, who still covers the Patriots at
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  Speaker 3: the highest of levels for ESPN. Was like, Mike's good
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  Speaker 3: on his own right, Like, we don't need you in
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  Speaker 3: that capacity, we need you elsewhere. So he was one
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  Speaker 3: of the he was the early adopter of of of me.
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  Speaker 3: So I have you know, I love Nate. We get
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  Speaker 3: along great. We see each other often on campus. And
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  Speaker 3: if he hears this, hopefully you know he continues to
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  Speaker 3: further rise up the ranks and feel further and further
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  Speaker 3: away from the fantasy focused university and all the people
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  Speaker 3: that still yearn for the days of date rabbits.
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  Speaker 1: The weasel, we'll keep, we'll keep the stuff about. We
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  Speaker 1: are one hundred percent cutting this stuff. He deserves no flowers.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here's how we're going to do this. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to preview the NFC North today. For those listening, reminder,
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  Speaker 1: I will focus on three very specific stats or components
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  Speaker 1: of each team, because you should know that when betters
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  Speaker 1: think about these things and think about these teams, they
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  Speaker 1: are oftentimes looking at success at the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line. So to me, the most important
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  Speaker 1: stats to think about the rankings for these two teams,
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  Speaker 1: because that is the heartbeat and the foundation of how
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  Speaker 1: these teams are going to succeed or not succeed this year,
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  Speaker 1: which led to a lot of different conclusions than I
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  Speaker 1: think I would have otherwise had if I was eyeballing
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  Speaker 1: this first team up. And a reminder, every single year,
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  Speaker 1: for nineteen of the past twenty one years, ninety one
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  Speaker 1: percent of the years an NFL team has gone from
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  Speaker 1: worst to first in its division. In the NFC North.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, the Lions won the division last place. Doub
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  Speaker 1: Bears be do Bears. Lions use Lions right now. They're
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  Speaker 1: oz to win the Super Bowl twelve to one, win
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  Speaker 1: the division plus one fifty. Their season win total is
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  Speaker 1: at ten and a half. Their strength of schedule field
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  Speaker 1: that'll come to you after this twelfth artist. Their O
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  Speaker 1: line ranking number one by a mile. This is according
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  Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus. Pinney Sewell number one rated offensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman overall. Frank ragnow number one rated center. They lost
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  Speaker 1: Jonah Jackson, but actually improved by signing the guy.
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  Speaker 3: From the Ravens, Hevin Zeitler.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hevin Zeler, right, So they got better on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, and their D line ranking is fourth because
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  Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson is Elite grated out a top six pass rusher.
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  Speaker 1: His one hundred and one QB pressures second to Mike
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  Speaker 1: ca Parsons. Last year they added DJ Reader, who was
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  Speaker 1: a bull for the Bengals. To me, and we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this last year. Simon Alim McNeil, who now was
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  Speaker 1: in the news because he got in that fight with
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones at practice this week. Seventh best interior defender
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  Speaker 1: and he was a problem. Like when they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: him last year, they were not the same team. I
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to bet on the Lions regressing. I got
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  Speaker 1: back to basis, looked at their offensive defensive line and thought,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not Field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like you over there. But it's going to
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  Speaker 3: sound incongruent to some of the thoughts that I have
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  Speaker 3: about the division as a whole. Part of what impressed
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  Speaker 3: me for the Lions last season is that very quickly
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  Speaker 3: after Week one, specifically, remember that they go to Kansas
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  Speaker 3: City beat the Chiefs. There's no Travis Kelce in that game,
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  Speaker 3: but it was still a convincing win by the Lions
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  Speaker 3: on the road against the defending champs, and they quickly
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  Speaker 3: went from being the hunter to the hunted, right like
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  Speaker 3: that stamped them as a legitimate contender after one week.
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  Speaker 3: They ended up losing Week two in this crazy overtime
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  Speaker 3: game to the Seahawks, and then they go on and
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  Speaker 3: have this great season. This team, I don't think is
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  Speaker 3: concerned by expectations, which is something that there are other
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  Speaker 3: teams that quickly risen up the ranks and I think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to have to deal with And there are
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  Speaker 3: some that I'm very confident in like the Houston Texans,
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  Speaker 3: will see how they handle all the pressure. I think
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  Speaker 3: it'll go pretty well. But there are also cases of
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  Speaker 3: teams who all of a sudden, you have a different
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  Speaker 3: level of expectation and it ends up manifesting itself in
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  Speaker 3: more losses than it does more dom whinant wins. But
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  Speaker 3: the Lions so good offensively. What's amazing about Detroit offensively
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  Speaker 3: is that after Amana Saint Brown, is there a wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver that scares you on this offense, at least based
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  Speaker 3: off what he has accomplished at this point in his career,
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  Speaker 3: I would argue not really. Jamis and Williams could certainly
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  Speaker 3: get there. He was the twelfth pick in the draft
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  Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago, but between scambling, suspension,
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  Speaker 3: being hurt coming into the NFL, and just a relatively
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  Speaker 3: modest role, has not yet established himself in that way.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like the Lions have like lost something
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  Speaker 3: this offseason that's going to be really difficult for them
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  Speaker 3: to replace. I think they probably top to bottom are
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  Speaker 3: a better ross. The division I think is better as
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  Speaker 3: well this year compared to where it was last year.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm still optimistic. An alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Hello Detroit you die, then, yeah, I'm right there with you.
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  Speaker 2: Both of you guys. It feels like we like to
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  Speaker 2: be different, but this is not the time to be
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  Speaker 2: different here. This is boring. And we talked about it
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  Speaker 2: months ago that I had them as my third highest
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  Speaker 2: graded team on my system. So people really don't understand why.
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  Speaker 2: I think Chad has broke it down pretty simple there.
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  Speaker 2: They have one of the best offensive lines in all football,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best defensive lines of football, and then
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  Speaker 2: throw it in the fact they're bringing back Ben Jons.
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  Speaker 2: Why I think is one of the best minds in
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  Speaker 2: all football. It's just it's all there. The conmunity on offense,
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  Speaker 2: it's so important where so many teams are switching coordinators constantly,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: where it's like no golf is. This is more comfortable
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: than golf has ever been in his career. It's more
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: comfortib they ever was. With McVeigh, he believes himself, he's
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: confident himself, he's making checks the offensive line, and you
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: go through and break down their film last year. The
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: thing I love so much about their offense cordinator is
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the fact that he can see what we all see,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: which is you know, all on st Brown's one of
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: their best players, so they're going to force feed him
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: when they need to. He quickly adjusted when he realized
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Sam Laporta is just as important, and he designed so
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: many plays, and if you go through and break it down,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of the places he stole was from Kansas City,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and it's like he's not trying to reevent the wheel.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: He just realized, Oh, we have a unicorn here, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I can just take these plays that have worked for
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: years with Travis Kelcey and you know, kind of fit
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the end of our offenser and it really did work.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing with this team. It's like Field
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: just said it the over ten and a half, I'll
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: take it like it's minus one thirty. So it's got
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit of juice to it. But I have
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: no mind paying that them as their favorite in this division.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They should be like them. The fact they're not minus
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: one ten, to me, that means there's value there. Plus
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: they're plus one fifty. I'll take that value just because
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: people do believe in a team. We're gonna talk about
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit of green Bay, so I am getting
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a plus number just because green Bay is the anchor
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in this division. Right now, they're the new sexy fun team.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: So to me, I'm getting a free free points here, free,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a free you know, nice bed here on this Lion's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: team that should be closer to eleven and a half,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and I think they've adjusted too much. Were Green Bay.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: They actually played the lines really well last year, Like
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: if you go back and watch that Thanksgiving game, that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: what I think, you know, Barnwell talked about this Lion's
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: team as great as they perceived last year. Barmeo said
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: it they had won a lot of coin flip games,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like they had games where, you know, if it wasn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: going right, they could get blown out. I think they
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: made those fixes to their defense. Chat they really did
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: try to attack the secondary just like the Eagles did. Right,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: they couldn't stop anyone thrown in the middle of the field,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: just like the Eagles couldn't last year. I think Detroit
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: knew that and that's the position that tried to attack.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get benefit of the dovalt to a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: team that kept all their coaches and their offense is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: only get better because the two rookies they drafted last
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: year and Gibbs and Laporta, they're only going to be
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: better this year. So to me, all arrows points up
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to this Detroit team that this is the year. If
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: they don't win it this year, Ben Johnson is going
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to be there next year. I really do believe they'll
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: move on. This has got to be the year for
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Detroit finally finally break through at least to make it
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship Game and then maybe a Super Bowl.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was surprised when I was doing
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the research here how much I ended up liking the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Lions because, Simon, we've been talking about the Packers and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to them next. We've been talking
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: about the Packers as the team that we thought there
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: might be more value on. And then I see how
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: dominant the Lions are in the places that matter the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: most offensively and defensively in the line of scrimmage. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the Lions are at plus one fifty. Are you fucking
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: kidding me? Yeah, Like, of course we're going to bit
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the Lions at plus one fifty. They should be closer
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to plus one hundred minus one ten, like you said.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So that's number one. Number two, Jared Goff, don't forget
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and feel I want your take on golf as a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: quarterback and where you sort of see him within the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: entire context of the NFL, because you are thinking about
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: this NonStop from a QB perspective. But Jared Goff is
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: just straight baller against the spread. The most profitable quarterback
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: against the spread in Week one over the past twenty years,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff seven to zero against the spread. In openers,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff indoors thirty five and seventeen against the spread,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: twenty five and nine the past two season, past three
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: seasons thirty six, thirty five and two against the spread outdoors.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: For what it's worth, the Lions have thirteen indoor games
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this year, plus a game in Dallas in which, depending
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: on the weather in the fall, could be indoors field.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to talk about Jordan Love, but give
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: me a Jared Goff take. Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And by the way, those outdoor games include an early
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: November game in Green Bay. It could be cold, but
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be most likely frigid, and then
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: a late December game in San Francisco, which, while they
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: play on grass, December and San Francisco, as you guys know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: could be a fairly moderate climate Goff is so exceptional
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: within the confines of what Detroit has asked him to do.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Jared Goff, I don't lose too much sleep over like
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: debating which quarterback is two or three or four or five.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I tend to look at quarterbacks in tiers buckets. There's
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the very elite tier, maybe it's a one man tier
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: with Patrick Maholmes, and then that second tier of elite
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: signal callers. There is an eventual tier, whether it's Tier two, three, four,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: somewhere in that range that I would say represents players
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that are above the quarterback Mendoza line. I think Jared
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Goff is appropriately above that quarterback Mendoza ligne, which is
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: that I don't think Jared Goff is going to be
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the player that's going to single handedly lean carry a
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: team towards a deep playoff run. But I do think
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Jared Goff, with the right pieces around him, can highly
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: can operate a system at a high level. And that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: exactly what Detroit has done with the pieces they have
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: placed around him. That great offensive line that Chad referenced
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and this pretty intriguing offensive system run by Ben Johnson.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: So the contract this offseason was no surprise to me.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I think it was a totally reasonable measure for Detroit
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to take, and I am a general pro Jared Goff guy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: The Lions the past three years the best ATS record
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: since the Patriots in two thousand and sixteen. In fact,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they are one, two three, top seven in the past
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: twenty years. Patriots in two thousand and three to two
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: thousand and five seventy one percent, Chargers two thousand and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: four to two thousand and six sixty nine percent, Patriots
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: sixty nine percent sixteen to eighteen, Minnesota sixty nine percent,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: sixty seven, sixty nine percent twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Carolina
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: sixty seven percent, ninety four to ninety six, and then
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. So a really good team the past
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: three years. And if I would say, bet regression at
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: your own peril, because they are good enough in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: areas that you need to be good to continue to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: maintain success. They are not just an edge talent player team.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Green Bay nineteen to one to win the Super Bowl
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: plus two ten to win the Division over nine and
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a half. Fourteenth, hardest schedule, offensive line ranking also middle
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of the road fourteenth, defensive line ranking eleventh. I do
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think there's potential with this defensive line, Like Rashaan Garry
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is great, had his injuries, this use issues, so we
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: don't know that could be a higher number based on
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: one dominant player Devonte Wyatt, you know, Carl Brooks have potential. Honestly,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest difference for their this defense, Simon
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: is Jeff Haffley, who quit as the head coach at
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Boston College College Sports was going said, I am out
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of here changing the defense from three four hundred Joe
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Berry the past three seasons to a four to three.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: This will be a much better defense. I don't know
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that the preseason rankings reflect the potential of this defense.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same old tune though, Chad. We've been
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: hearing this since bred farvdays. I mean every year you
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: hear that, you know, like all the ones and twos
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: they have on defense, all the first round, second round
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: picks they have on their defense, and every year they go, well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it must be the coordinator. We'll bringing a new guy
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years, and it's just never really
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: panned out, right, I Mean, I still can't believe they
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: only have one ring to show for those Aaron Rodger years.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it really is mind blowing when you think
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of the talent level.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I blame McCarthy. I think it's make I honestly, I think.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: It's Brady and Mahomes and I'll explain that in a second.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But it's also right. It's also it's also Aaron Rodgers,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like he might have been too arrogant to acquiesce to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: some of the things that needed to be done. I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to go into tangent. I want to talk
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: about this team. Nine and a half is a win
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: total plus two ten as the division.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But you know there was just criminate to it like that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: One of our stupidest bets we've ever won in our
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: lives chat was we had the forty nine ers and a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: plus number against Aaron Rodgers and we won it on
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a block punt in like the fourth quarter, in which
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a game that Green Bay's defense dominated the fort y
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Aras offense. Fast forward to I think it was two
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: years later, the Fortyniners ran for like three hundred yards
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: against that greens Bay's defense right in the playoffs. It's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: like it just never synced up with that Green Bay
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: team when their offense had it their defense and advice versas.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But the most interesting conversation about this team this year
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: is the fact that professionals are so split, Like I'm
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: talking guys that are betting down you know, six figures
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: big money right now on this Green Bay team because
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: they do believe in Jordan Love and what they saw.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm just having a really hard time getting there, Chad,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: because I want to believe because the film is unbelievable,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: but it is the smallest of small samples, and it
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was so perfect. I mean, he was flawless, pressure in
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: his face, he moved without even thinking about it outside
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the pocket, throwing fifty yard bombs right down the scene
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to guys right in stride. It was like, who is
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: this man? Like, I mean again, we had an offensive
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: tackle who played with him and pra this for years,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and he said, we never saw that in practice. He
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: came in our podcast talked about it, and it's just like, okay,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: if that's there is saying you never saw that in practice.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: They didn't know right that they had to restructure his
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: deal for that feature option, because even the team was like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: we really don't know what Jordan Love is. They quickly
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: realized this dude's a gamer, and I think Lafloor realized
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that as well, because he really opened up the playbook
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the second half of the year and that's when it
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all started working out. So that's why I want to
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: be hard on here, being like, you have to fade
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: this team regression and regression regression, which I think most
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: common people think that way, But the tools are all there.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: They have this incredible young group wide receivers that we
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: all just love, especially in the fantasy football community. It's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like you could debate for hours who you think is
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: going to be the number one receiver on this team,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like everyone has throwing an opinion at the end of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the day. I said it last year. I took a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: lot of shit from Green Bay fans about it. Jordan
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: loved for them to make the playoffs. I said it,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he had to be a Pro Bowler, and I said,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I just I couldn't bet on him being a Pro bowler.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Little did I know he was going to be a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl and they were going to sneak in that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: last seed. And it's like he had to play perfect again.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Eighteen touchdowns, win interception the end of the season, like
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you just we had never seen anything like that. With
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a guy who making his first four year as a starter,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: so I get where people are at on this. My
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: position has not changed though. Chat as much as I
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: want to talk myself into take on their over, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: just can't do it. I've taken their under, especially now
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it's at plus one fifty plus one forty and a
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: lot of books the under a minus nine and a half.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I think they're right there. Nine wins in this division. Again,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the Bears are not going to be a walk over.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Two to zero win for this Green Bay team. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: think they split it, and I do have the lines
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: as well, giving them a better game than they did
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: in Thanksgiving. So my view of it is just Green Bay.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: They had a really benefit of the schedule down the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: stretch last year. This year we already talked about it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Their schedule is much harder. I just I can't go
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to the public care. I can't take this over. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I see why people are doing it, just because it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: all there, like the piece is the coaching, it's all
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: there for them to be great this year. It's just
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I need to see it more from Jordan Love and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: then I'll put my money behind it. Before Right now,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to be the contrarion here and take their
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: under field.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come to you in a sec. I just
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: wanted to put some context here because I am shocked, Simon.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: There were three of the Packers and the Lions, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: we are aligned that the Packers, or that the Lions
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: over ten and a half and the Lions plus one
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: fifty are the better values in this division, and that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we have more confidence in those bets than we do
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in the Packers at plus two to ten and the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Packers over nine and a half. Because if before I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: started doing the research, if you had send to me
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago we were gonna go this way, I
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: would have been like, no way, Like there's too much regression,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: too much hype for the Lions. I do have some
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: stats that after field goes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, barbol did scare the shitt me when he
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: gave us allose stats about the Troy I'm not gonna lie.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I do want to give some stats about Matt Lafleur
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and his success, because he'd be an amazing is amazing field.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Jordan love Mendoza line quarterback, even though he's even though
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he's getting you know, Lebron James money.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Way above the Mendoza line way way above, and I'll
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: say this, Simon was smart and mentioning the fantas love
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: for the Packers wide receivers. It's almost like but it's
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: hard because they all could be values. But there's no
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: way that all four of their top receivers end up
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: being values. Like inevitably, one or two will rise and
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: one or two will fade. But what I will say
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: is that every time I think about, like which Packers
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: receiver do I like the most, which Packers tight end
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: do I like the most? Or how confident am I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: in this reshaped and very very good offensive line, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: keep coming back and saying to myself, rather than worrying
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: about which Packers receiver I like the most or which
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Packers tight ut I like the most, maybe I focus
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: on the possibility. And Chad, you can remove your headphones
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: for a second if you'd like the Jordan Love was
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: a dark horse MVP candidate this year. Oh my place
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: for this player to potentially be an NFL MVP not
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: my pick, but a dark horse MVP candidate, Jordan Love.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Here are some stats about Matt Lafleur. Okay that I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: didn't realize. Okay, it was Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and Matt Flora looks brilliant because Aaron Rodgers was brilliant.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And then I think in Aaron Rodgers' last couple of years,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: he did things that Matt Lafleur told him to do,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and he played better than he had in sort of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: earlier years, right because he was on a downward trend.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Last year was the first year in which we were
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Matt Lafleoor was proving what a good coach he is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: no matter who's on the field, and we were blown
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: away by what he did with Jordan Love. Since getting
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the job, he's fifty three and thirty seven against the spread,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: second most profitable coach against the spread behind just Dan
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Campbell of the Lions. He is an underdog in the Packers'
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: first game in Brazil. Matt Lafleur's Packers had been underdogs
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: thirty two times. He's covered twenty two of those by
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: an average of four points a game. In the first
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: three weeks of the regular season, before anyone is able
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to make adjustments, Matt Lafloor thirteen and two against against
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the spread. So we do like Matt Lafleur and also
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: think about this after they opened against the Eagles in Brazil,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Colts at home, Titans on the road, Vikings at home,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Cardinals at home. This team like is going to get
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: off to a very hot start, which makes me think, Simon,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: if the Lions falter a little bit, it's going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: be time to buy back into the Lions even more.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: H There you go, all right, guys, Chicago Bears, we're
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: still live.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Just as for for those out there watching us live,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: we just wanted to acknowledge you and thank you for yes,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: thank you through that very clumsy thank you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: We're doing We're doing video in the digital video era.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: This is what's going to happen.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't know we're alive either. Thank god I didn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: make a bad joke that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Thought it, which means all that stuff about Nate Ravits
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ends up staying in.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: It for Unfortunately.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears thirty five to one to win the Super
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Bowl plus two sixty five to win the division. Season
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: win total is eight and a half. Strength of schedule. Again,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: strength of schedule is based on projections of season win
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: totals by odds makers Chicago in the upcoming season, Chicago
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: has the third easiest schedule, third easiest schedule, which is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: going to make their collapse all the more painful for
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears fans. O Lion rank according to Pro Football Focus,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: eleventh Tevin Jenkins at guard has become an anchor on
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: this offensive line. I would not have expected that after
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he had a very slow start to his career. Top
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: five guard in the latter half of the season. This
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: team generally was great. Darnell Wright first round pick. Everyone
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: was like, what last year? He turned out great. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: think he's headed in the right direction. They're blocking efficiency
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in the last half of the year was top ten
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, top half of the NFL. I mean
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the problem is the defensive line. Montest Sweat their twenty
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: seventh ranked Montest Wett was great when he joined midway
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: through the year. Completely changed the defense, made them much
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: better front to back. The Bears had to get better
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in so many spots. They needed an edge rudger, they
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: needed to help the offensive line. They needed to get
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. They needed to get the quarterback and receiver.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: They did the right things to me by improving the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: offensive line. Drafting Roma Dunze, you got to give him
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: what he needs because the window is so short that
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: d line is going to be a problem. And then
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: there's history, which we're going to talk about. But first field,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: where'st my bubble on the Bears?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I so I think there are ways that we can
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: maybe speak out of both sides of them mouth as
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: it pertains to the Chicago Bears. This team's going to improve,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I think like quite a bit. And while Kayla Williams
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: is getting a ton of hype, I think sometimes we
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are even ignoring, like what the potential extreme is here
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: for KILEB Williams, which is to b c J. Stroud
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: and be a quarterback that butts into the top five, six,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: seven in the entire NFL right away. Strouded that last year.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Obviously that's possible for KILEB Williams, extremely bullish on the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: player coming out of USC. To me, the clear cut
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: number one quarterback prospect, number one overall prospects in this
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: past two year's draft was Caleb Williams. I also am
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: going to be hesitant in just making the positive case
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: for all four teams in division, and I've already done
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: so with two teams, which means that you can't totally
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: be all in on four, So I think the Bears
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: take some steps forward. I also think that this is
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: a team that might come up just the hairshy of
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, which in the NFC I think could be
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a little easier than the AFC to get to. But
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I think I stepped forward for the Bear to like
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: eight or nine wins is very much in play without
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: it also including a trip to the postseason. And that's
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: where I'm at. Is that reasonable or no? Are you
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: mad at me?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: We okay, no, No, It's totally reasonable. And look there's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like already game planning my Thursday night on August,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know, this Thursday when the Bears Hard Knocks premiere
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: at night Thursday.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Thursday night.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm planning a freaking party. But I'm looking
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: down at I'm looking down at my phone right now
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: because I want to find the latest odds for MVP
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and look for Kayleb Williams, who right now is fifty
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to one to an MVP. Okay, these would be the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: shortest odds for any rookie in the last fifteen years.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Let me give you some of the names on this list,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and you will say to yourself, oh my God, this
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: guy is screwed right. Trey Lance was one hundred and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: one twenty one, Joe Burrow one hundred to one, Okay
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to one hundred to one, Herbert one hundred to one.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: It's gonna get ugly after this. Leonard Fournette one hundred
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to one. Kyler Murray was eighty to one, Mac Jones
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: was eighty to one. Melvin Gordon in twenty fifteen seventy
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: five to one. The Bears are minus one ten to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. In the last fifteen years, Chicago has
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: had minus oided to make the playoffs three times and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: missed all three times. Simon, I could go on, pay Simon,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I could go on, But we got to walk away
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: from this Bears team.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm the grim Reaper in comes to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: this Bears team. In the hype, we had on a
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: guy from Chicago, a radio host, and he was Danny Perkins. Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: he's my favorite classic Chicago guy where he's just blind
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: to the truth. I like, I feel like I stabbed
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the horror. I told him the joke of Chicago's that's
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: where qbs go to die and he was just like, oh,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that's not true. And in the weather and it's like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the weather excuse doesn't work when in Green Bay,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Cleveland and Buffalo of all had guys that threw over
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: four thousand yards. It's just they've never had a guy
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like Williams. And Williams's the breaker of all these streaks
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: they've had, Like he is the guy that we expect
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that will change the history books for Chicago. It's if
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: he would have came out after his freshman year of Oklahoma,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: he would have been the number one pick. Like this
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: kid has just been waiting for that day to be
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the number one pick his whole life. I mean you
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: talk about in high school, his dad was prepping him
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to be the number one pick, prepping him with media training.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It's like it's just next level. We can't even fathom
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: because it's just such a different world than we have
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: every even experienced. So Williams has so much pressure on him.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that. In a football it's all
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: about the guys who don't see coming that work out right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It's the rock parties, the Ben Roethlisberger's right, the Stroud CJ.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: We thought he'd be all right, and I think this
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kid was going to throw whatever it was twenty three
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: touchdown the five picks. No, my brain can't wrap my head.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I can't wrap my head around it. It's like we
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: never seen a rookie so small with the ball. That's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: what Williams has to be. Like, if Kim Williams wants
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: to go over nine and a half wins, it's up
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to nine and a half wins. Chad like that, that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to me is insane at this point, Like we we
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: talked to them getting drafted, it was seven and a half.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It has now been pushed up to nine and a half.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Chad just said they're Super Bowl odds are thirty five
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to one. That is the dumbest bet you could ever
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: make in your life betting them to make it to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It's lower than they were simon last year when we
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: love them with Justin Fields, you know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But they are They're a way better team this year.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: That's why I understand why we're so upset that Fields
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: didn't get this chance. And it's like that's not how
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: football works, right, It's like they're the team who's doing
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the best they can trying to build. I mean, Poles
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: has done an incredible job setting all this up, so
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I already told you my bet for Chicago. If you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: want to have fun, my bet is Williams overpassing yards.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I think that is something attainable. I think when we
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: talked about it was that three thousand, five hundred. It
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: might be up to three thoy six hundred seven hundred
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: now just because the hype is just boiling so high now,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: it's just it's crazy. So to me, I have to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: bet the under nine and a half. But they're not
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: my favorite under team and it's kind of like Green Bay, right,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just throwing a little bit on their under stame
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: with Green Bay the fourth team we're gonna talk about here,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that's that's the team I love for an under. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: this division has just gone from you know, we didn't
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: really know what they were last year, right, it was
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins Division. Jared Goff is kind of shocked. We
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: didn't really know we had Jordan of Love and really
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: know no waving justin fields. To now this is a position,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: this this division in a year or two could be
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: this the juggernaut in football. Right if Golf stays what
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: he's doing and Jordan Love keeps us sending and Caleb
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Williams works out and JJ works out. Wow, Like this
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: is a really tough division with some great coach and
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: again we talked about it, even through is the worst
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: coach in this division, and it's not really close. Right,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: we have the most doubts of him compared to the Vikings,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Green Bay and Detroit. So it's just the hype is
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: too high at this point, right, You just can't do it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: It's just not logical to bet this number, especially they're
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: over win total, even though it's at a number, it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: at one fifty forty five right now, the under nine
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and a half for an under for this team at
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that price, I'm only eat the fig and the juice
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: on that just because again it opened at seven and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: a half and it's gone up two games just on hype.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So I just have to take that position.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Chad Field Caleb Williams passing yardage that's a fantasy gold mine.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: When you think about Caleb Williams as a fantasy quarterback,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't match up with a yardage Hall that would go
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: as high as Simon is projecting.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: So I have this quarterback thirteen right now. That's where
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I have KILEB Williams in my quarterback rankings, and it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: right outside kind of a tier which ends with Jaden Daniels,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the number two pick in the draft.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: But this is.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Fantasy football, this is not real life football, where I
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: don't know about the future of Caleb Williams.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: At least.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Out of the gates is how much rushing do we
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: see from Kileb Williams into design nature. They've got so
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: many players around Kileb Williams, so the Bears may say,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: why bother risking our quarterback in any way, shape or
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: form when we can just hand the ball off to
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: backfill now led to by DeAndre Swift or throw to
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: what is immediately in competition for the best receiving trio
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. So yeah, the passing total is probably
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: the gateway for Killer Williams to have a massive fantasy season,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: So I could I think I'm buying with sion is
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Simon is selling right now?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: The Bears win total at nine and a half, that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: would be the third team to have a win total
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: of nine or more after selecting a QB in the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: top five of the NFL draft. The other teams twenty
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: twenty one San Francisco forty nine ers with Trey Lance
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: at ten and a half nineteen ninety two. Neither of
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you fuckers were born yet New York Giants ninety two.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I was born. Yeah, it was a couple of years.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: New York Giants, David Brown.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big cuts right there.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Up.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Here's another reason, another reason to fade the Chicago Bears.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: It's the highest team over under for a drafted for
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a quarter for a team that's drafted quarterback first overall
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in the wild Card Era since nineteen eighty one, Team
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. That's it. After that again, the Giants and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Dave Brown, Bryce Young and the Panthers, I think they're
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you too early because we know we love the Panthers
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: this year. And then the Rams and Jared got so
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: everything that is that Caleb Williams is tied to Caleb
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Williams right now is unprecedented when it comes to team expectations.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It's impossible to look up to It's it truly is impossible.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You know. It's this is so Chad is just setting
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: himself up. You are just emotionally preparing yourself. Is what
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: you're doing here. I see it, I see it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: By the way you nailed it. I am just so
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: getting ready so I can be in case it's a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: little bit of an emotional hedge.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, it goes great if he does get the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: ten wins, Chad, you can go. You can do a
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: whole episode just going off how great he is. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: support it because that, to me would be him going
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: ten and seven in that division. That would be truly
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: an incredible feat when.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: He goes to ten, When he goes to ten and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: seven throws for four thousand yards and twenty five touchdowns.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: We're just turning this into the Chicago Bears podcast. God,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that a podcast. It won't be
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in the near future. Minnesota Vikings podcast. This team is
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: eighty to one plus one thousand to win the division,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: six and a half of the win total. I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that's being generous because their strength to schedule is fifth hardest.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Their O line rank is thirteenth. Obviously, Christian Derishad just
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: signed a huge contract. Third best pass block and tackle
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: per PFF in twenty twenty three. The rest of the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: line is mediocre, and the d LI rank if the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Bears were like and oh at twenty seventh, the Vikings
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: are in oh crap at thirtieth, Daniel Hunter gone to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the Tecans. Texans their best player now Andrew Van Ginkel,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: who at twenty nine just had a career year for
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins and did smart thing. Got a bag off
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of that one year, but he's generally battled injuries through
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: his career. We don't know who the quarterback is yet.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Whoever it will be is playing behind an average offensive
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: line in a brutal opening schedule. So Field, gimme, gimme
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: something to hang on to for the Vikings if you can.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: All right, So, Kevin O'Connell's a really really good head coach.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Who is going to be Kevin O'Connell tutor? Yep, left,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell's going to be awesome for whoever is the
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: starting quarterback sounds more and more like it's going to
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: be Sam Darnold the beginning of the season, but it
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: won't last long, as I think eventually JJ McCarthy is
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: going to take over this job as a rookie. I'm
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: not going to sit here and go full Mike Golick
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: junior on you with offensive line talk, but I want
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: to put a little bit more respect on our guy.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Brian O'Neill, their right tackle I think is a good
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: player as well. And maybe if you're looking for something
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: to hang your hat on, it's that this team last
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: year when Kirk Cousins was outstayed frisky. I'm generally less
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: optimistic here. Somebody is going to have to finish fourth
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: in this division. If I had to cast my die
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: on one team as of right now, it's Minnesota. I
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: think the coaches on both sides of the ball are
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: very good. I do think there are some enough question
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: marks at key roster spots that I am just a
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: touch concern about this team.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Where else do you have question marks? Because to me,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you don't have question marks on
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: this team? Oh?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I mean the wide receiver room really really good. Justin
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Jefferson by himself makes the wide receiver room good. But
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Jordan Attison, a first round pick last year. We'll see
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: whether he finished faces punishment or not for a recent
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: incidents that frankly, I can't imagine how he put himself
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: in that that of a spot once again. Second so
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I think it was was it speeding less or not?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: We don't have to sit here and go through it all.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: But yes, two separate incidents that were not good defensively.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: You know, they kind of like they punched above their
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: weight last year. Because Brian Flores is really good, they
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: found an undrafted gym and I have in pace linebacker
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Dallas Turner plus Andrew Van Ginkel plus Jonathan Gernard forms
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: a pretty decent pass rushing trio if you ask me.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: The secondary is thin, but maybe because of the chaotic
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: scheme that Brian Flores employees, you don't need to be
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: quite as loaded at cornerback. I've talked to many, many,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: many defensive coaches over many years who have told me
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: time and again it is much easier to cover up
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: for deficient cornerback room with a great rush than it
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: is the inverse, especially with the way that the NFL
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: is officiated these days and how restrictive the rules are
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: for defensive backs. So, yeah, that will be my case
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: for them to be a competitive team this year. More
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: competitive than you might think based off their roster. But
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I do think this team is four out of four
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: in this division.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just stay off the top. This is one
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: of the teams I'm taking my larger positions on to
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: be one of the worst teams on football, and it
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: stinks because I do love they're coaching so much. But
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Chad just nailed it. If you're if you're not driving,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: open up your phone real quick and go and look
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: at their schedule. Their first their first game against the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Giants is definitely winnable, but the next eight are brutal.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Like there, it's a brutal opening slate for them with
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the let.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Me read it, everybody right, They got the Giants and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: look we like, we liked the Giants.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I love the Giants, Simon.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You and I have bet the Giants already. It's going
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to be one of the five picks that we love.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Then they have the Niners, Texans, Packers, Jets, Lions, Rams.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: If you listen to the Action Network podcast with Stucky
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and Raybon, they did their AFC NFC previews in May.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Stucky had a great bet. Is there a team that
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: might be better to bet on to be the last
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: winless team than the Minnesota Vikings? Like they could be?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: They could be and eight.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: And the only reason I haven't made that better is
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: just because I have so much invested in that Week
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: one that if can't I can't take double l's on
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that if they beat the Giants, that would kill me.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But you nailed a Chad where it's just even if
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they somehow improve a little bit on defense, last year
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: was so far above it and it's just I just
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: can't see they don't have the pieces. To me, it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: a it's a team that's in a total rebuild. And again,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: we we talk all the time about this where it's
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: like coaching can really steal you a couple of wins.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, Brian Gable won a couple of games with
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: his third string quarterback against you know, pretty good teams
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: last year. It's like these these coaches even here, you
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: know they have that they had the past or not
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: winning games for them a couple of games. We know
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: these things can happen. So again, I wouldn't be shocked
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: if they do. Someone I get the four wins six
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: and a half. Six and a half wins is what
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: the books are hanging it out right now. So this
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: is it under I've just been hitting heavy and I
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: know selfish, I didn't want to talk about too much
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: cause I wanted to keep getting a ton of value
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: on it so I could bet it all summer. I'm
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: tapped out. I don't need to put any more into this.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: It's like, I am so fat on betting this game's
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: under It's like I can't, I can't bet anymore. So
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: if you want to go out and bet them worst
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: records still plus, you know, I think it was twelve
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to one or thirteen to one. In most books, it's
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: come down to eleven to one a couple so shop around.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But and again I don't want to bring up to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: sports book. There is one sports book that don't bet
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: any NFL futures on them because they're going to tax
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: you extra after January. So make sure you're with a
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: book that's not going to crush your futures after January,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: because again, the season runs until after January. Now, people,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that's that's how long the season is. So this Vikings team,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to me, it's just it's a classic case of they
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: knew what they're going to be and they let Kirk walk, right,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: They could have brought Kirk back to do another nine
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and eight, ten and seven kind of season, right. That's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: that this, like Field said, they have some of the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: best receivers on football, Like, they have the pieces here
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to make it all work. You know, even TJ is
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: coming back off a big injury. I still think he'll
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: be a solid play for them.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Defensive wise, Oh, they're gonna be terrible. And now you
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: bring in the fact that I just talked about Jordan
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Lovey in The Ultimate Gamer. Sam Donald is whatever the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: opposite of that is. This is the guy who, in
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: practice he is number three overall, can't miss throwing dimes
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: in corner pocket Sam Donald. Once the game starts, Ghosts
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Ghost Ghost Ghosts, and we talked about it, he's now
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: he might be starting his first game back into that
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: stadium that you know he has PTSD, going back to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: met Life, like that's where it all went wrong for him.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: So to me, they're in a spot where it's like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know why they wouldn't just start jj E.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And if he's gonna be rough out the gate, who cares? Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: who cares? If it's rough out the gate? You're you're
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: literally just trying to get this guy reps and get
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: him experienced because he didn't have the reps in college,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Like he just was not passing as much as you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: needed him to throw. So to me, he's my most
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: most exciting prospect. Me and you talked about before during
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: the draft chat. This is a kid that won in
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: high school and then he won in college, and he
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: was always the guy right. He was always number one ranked,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: number two ranked kid coming out of high school, always
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: was a big known player at Michigan. He lived up
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to all those expectations. So to me, Minnesota, I'm taking
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a giant dump on your chest right now, and I'm
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: so sorry about it. I'm just shitting on you guys,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and I hate your team this year. The future is
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: so bright if he does stay with this coaching staff
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and they do keep putting the pieces around him. But man,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: is this season gonna suck? Like you guys? I just
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: said it. You could easily be zero to nine, and
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it's like you wouldn't be shocked. That's a juggernaut start
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: to the season for either Sam Darnold or JJ. It's
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: just brutal how the schedule makers laid it out. So
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm Minnesota, but they got to be one
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: of my favorite unders the season.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Check now you're.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Allowed back in the Twin Cities again.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Field. You talk to a lot of guys and you
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: mentioned Kevin O'Connell, and I love Kevin O'Connell. I agree
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: with him. I love him. I think he's a great coach.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: And I felt like, you know, Brian Daball and him
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: started the same time, and I felt like Brian Daball
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: got too much credit for being a great coach that
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: first year with the Giants, and I don't think Kevin
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: O'Connell got enough credit last year.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Well, he did beat him on the row with Daniel j.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying Brian David didn't deserve
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the credit and that Kevin O'Connell didn't deserve the blame
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: for those games. I'm saying last year, Brian, what Kevin
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: O'Connell did, after Kirk Cousins went out, after Justin Jefferson
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: went out with a really poorous defense that Brian Flores
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: was doing as good as he could could with. He
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: still put that team in a lot of great spots
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: where they had a path to the playoffs, starting guys
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: like off the street. When you look at Kevin O'Connell,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you mentioned he's a good coach. What do you like
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: about him, What do you like about what he does
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: with quarterbacks? What do you hear from other people you
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: talk to in the league.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Kevin O'Connell is an excellent making the quarterback
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: decisions easy coach for him. Right, I'm not saying that
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: there aren't complex nuances to the offense. There certainly are,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: but he allows things to slow down for quarterbacks. He
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: also allows them to not have to worry about factors
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: that are out of their control. If they have poorous
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: offensive line play, if the receivers are hurt, he can
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: find ways to help make the scheme easier. His demeanor
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: is really good as well. I think we are more
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: and more in a generation or an era, whatever you
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: want to call it, of tough love coaching not being
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: the norm anymore. Right in part, I think you can
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: trace that to the roots of college football, where these
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: guys are now getting paid, and if you have a coach,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: it's dropping the hammer on a kid. He can say,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take my millions upon millions of dollars from
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: nil money and go somewhere else because I have an
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: opportunity to go somewhere where they might tribute, like Worldy,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: even if I'm in a bit of a funk. So
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell is a very high relatability level. Maybe it's
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: because he played in the NFL as a quarterback, even
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: if it was briefly really smart guy, somebody who seems
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: to have the capacity to ride the wave a little
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: bit as well. Things haven't always been easy for the Vikings.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: We saw that last year when Kirk Cousins was hurt.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: They still found a way to kind of keep that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: outlook and they ended up like proving it right, like
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: they were hanging tougher than many of us expected down
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: the stretch last season, which not only excluded Kirk Cousins,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: but of course did not include Justin Jefferson for a
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: huge stretch of games.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: A couple weeks ago, I think it was last week, actually,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Simon was in Connecticut and he came by my house
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and we had lunch together in the kitchen with my wife.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: He met my younger son, and when he and I
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: were having lunch with my wife, he was talking about betting,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, she was surprised to learn that I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: had a podcast and that somebody else to me, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: we were talking about betting and the way he talked
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: about betting with the confidence he talked about it. That night,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Stacey looked at me and she says, how are we
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: not giving this guy all of our money. I feel
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like no matter what we give him, we would come
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: out better in the end.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: The jillionaires, Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Jillionaires, we'd have. So she was so taken and enamored
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: by his confidence and his story and his humanity, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: he's so personable. She loved it. So I think all
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of us we should just pull our money and just
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: give it to Simon.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Tell her six and a half check.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm gonna say. What we're gonna do
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: with that money to recap, We're gonna put it all
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  Speaker 1: in the Lions plus one fifty. We're going to put
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• 55:25
  Speaker 1: are going to go to town. This is the strongest take
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: you've had of the previous we've done so far at
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the AFC and NFC South and now the NFC North
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Vikings under six and a half. Simon loves it. I
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: love it. I feel I don't want to put words
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: in your mouth. Do you have an opinion on Vikings
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: under six six and a half? I do you know.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I continue to feel as though this is a team
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: that might be four of four years. So I think
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: we largely agree on our assessment of where things are
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: going to shake out. I feel even stronger about how
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I view the vikings after and I didn't realize previously
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: how difficult their schedule is out of the shoots. That
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: is very tough pre buy and even those three weeks
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: after the buye as well.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Would you still take Justin Jefferson the first round knowing
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: all what you know now? Or would you? Yeah, you
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: wouldn't bump him down a little bit.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: No, he's fine by me. He's you know, generational in
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: terms of talent, are close to it. And you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: quarterback play didn't really defy him last year, right, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: mean he came back and was playing with Jaron Pall
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: and Nick Mullins and drive a schm morgas sport of
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks and absolutely bald out when he was healthy after
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: that hamstring strain for whatever it was eight or nine
• 56:34
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