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Ep. 17 - When AI Becomes the Teacher: Classroom Tool or Replacement? · 4DAFAM

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What up, what up, what up? What's going on? Same old same. I'm Six Mill,
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keeping it true. It's your boy KG.
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Welcome to episode 17 for the FAM Podcast. Yes, sir.
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What's up with you, brother? How you been? You all right? Yeah, man, I can't complain.
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You know, I've been fighting off a cold all week, but I think I was successful, knock on wood.
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Cool, cool, cool. Man, it's so crazy, man. You know that old saying,
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what a difference a day makes.
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Oh, man. I mean, we didn't record last week.
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So in these two weeks, the news, the headlines, everything has been just crazy,
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which is why we say we're not going to try and chase headlines.
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I mean, it's just too much to keep up with. Yeah.
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Just nuts, man. But with all of that being said, what are we going to get into today?
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So today we want to talk about AI and education. So basically the impact,
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overall impact on on teaching and and learning for the children.
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OK, cool. Cool. Sounds good. You want me to start? You want to start? Take it away, brother.
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All right, cool. Let me let me just start by saying that we are not anti-AI.
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We are not anti-technology.
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We are, I guess, coming at this from.
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From the perspective of AI being used as a tool and not as replacement.
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So as we journey through this conversation, through this topic,
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keep in mind, we're always looking at AI to be used as a tool.
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And if you use a tool properly, it can be very useful, very helpful.
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And if you use it erroneously, you know, bad things can happen.
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So so that's that's sort of how we want to approach this conversation.
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And I guess I'm going to start by by giving a few pros as to what AI can can, I guess, be useful.
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And I guess I'm coming at this as a replacement for a teacher, not the tool aspect.
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Like I said, we have no issue with the tool aspect of it.
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So I'm coming at this from a form of replacement.
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And if you think that that's far-fetched, if you think that AI would not replace
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teachers, maybe not in classrooms, that threat may not be imminent.
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But what about for online courses?
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I mean, how easy would it be for AI to run an online course?
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So, I mean, when you look at it like that, it doesn't seem that far fetched or that far off.
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In fact, someone is probably already trying to use it. Right.
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So so so so anyway, I'm doing I'm doing rambling a few a few pros as far as A.I., I think.
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It would be very efficient as far as like creating a syllabus or a lesson plan for a six-week course.
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I think that would be, you know, something where the efficiency of it would be excellent.
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I think the ability to detect when a student is struggling.
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But also on the flip side of that, everyone doesn't learn at the same rate.
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So I think while that could be an advantage, it could also be a disadvantage
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because I think a teacher would be able to pick up on, hey, this kid isn't dumb.
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Maybe I just need to explain it a different way where AI would just stick to
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here's the explanation, here's the rules and let's get with it.
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One of the things I heard from a teacher was that kids between kindergarten
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and eighth grade don't understand. They're not always media literate,
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so they don't always understand that AI.
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You and I have had this conversation when you first started with Gemini,
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how confidently wrong AI can be.
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So if you're a teacher, you're at home with your family and this child is at
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home trying to stay a day ahead with homework or research. and they don't understand
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that what they might be writing down is completely wrong.
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But that's also one of the pros, while you just stated, while that could be
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a con, that can also be one of the pros is the 24-7 access.
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You know, they don't have a life.
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Yeah, somebody from, you know, and I hate to say small town,
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but we know there's a lot of small towns in Indiana.
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Small town Indiana has access to the same knowledge. And I know that we've always
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had access with the internet.
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But if you have a specific topic that you want to research, you just ask AI
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and it just reads it out to you.
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Also, I think where where AI would excel in the classroom is grading papers
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and all of that kind of stuff. I mean, it would probably run through.
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Not just like lessons, but term papers and everything. It'd just be burning through them quickly.
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Copy, paste. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are some advantages for AI being in classrooms.
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Now let's give a few cons. And we've both already given a few,
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but let's get into some more cons.
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I got one, a good one. Okay, cool.
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Cognitive atrophy. Oh, for sure. I was about to say the exact same thing, bro.
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It is something where, and you've mentioned this not with AI,
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but with other things that you and I have talked about. Correct.
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If they're doing all the thinking for you, you're not getting that workout upstairs.
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Nope. You become reliant on AI to solve every issue for you.
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That's absolutely one of the cons.
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Another kind of, which I guess, let me go back and say,
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the classes where I think, or the subjects where I think AI would be beneficial.
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Math, science, English, as far as grammar, I think it would be useful if you're
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learning a foreign language.
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I think AI would be great for that.
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Where I think it would struggle is like you were saying with the cognitive portion of it.
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And like if you're teaching something like history that that requires context,
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I think AI would struggle with with anything where you have to do some type of critical thinking.
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If you're doing an ethics class, follow up questions, if you don't ask the follow
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up question, it won't dig deeper into that specific time. Right.
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Right. And because it's based on a system where everything is basically black
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and white, I think where and we know life is lived in the gray for the most part.
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I think it would struggle tremendously.
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Algorithmic bias. Exactly. Exactly.
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I also think it would create a learning gap for schools that were more affluent
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or got more funding versus schools that didn't get the funding because they
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would get better computers or
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have access to more computers composed to schools who don't get funding.
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So, I mean, you can't you can't utilize it if you don't have it,
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especially without kind of adding to that.
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You know, it's 1999 to get full scope of most AI to be Chad GPT or Gemini.
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Those affluent schools may pay for it.
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Like you said, some of the inner city schools might not have the finances to
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pay for. So you're getting the full scope. Correct.
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You know, hey, can you create this this picture for me? Here's what I'm thinking.
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Just a basic, you know, seven day trial. You're not getting the option. Correct. Correct.
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Which is why we're going to do a part two to this.
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And we're going to get into the cost of education.
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That'll be the next podcast. And we're going to touch on how basically everyone
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is not getting the same education that, you know,
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they claim is required for success. But I digress.
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So, yeah, those are a few of the pros and cons that I have. Thank you.
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Anything you want to add to this, bro? Let me see. I think I had a couple of
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more. Oh, Jesus. A couple of more. It's all good.
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A few more. So pros, like workforce readiness, learning how to use AI.
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Sure. You know, for going forward.
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Creative inspiration. You know, breaking the ice. And like if you have writer's
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block, for example. Hey, this is what I've written so far.
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I need your help progressing to the next step.
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What should I talk about? You know, whatever the case may be. I think I have one more.
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Tutoring, 24-7 tutoring. Correct. So if the kid can't stay behind the school
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because the parents, you know, can't pick them up at a certain time, there's no more excuse.
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Correct. Excuses. You can sit in front of there and, you know,
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the teacher or the parent can put together a bunch of questions.
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You enter those questions into whatever AI platform you use and it helps you.
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The foreign language. Yeah, you could drive down the road and do the live in
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Gemini and just have a conversation.
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There was another with Khan.
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Nah, I already brought that one up. Basically, the digital divide. Sure, sure.
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And I also think and we sort of, you know, glossed over this one,
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but I do think it's important. So I'm going to revisit it.
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The cognitive decline. I think it would be way too easy to just have AI write
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your term paper or write you a thesis and you don't do any real research.
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You just say, hey, I'm doing a paper on XYZ topic and it spits you out something. And I think.
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A person, a human would be able to tell you didn't write this paper versus AI
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would just go, oh, yeah, this is great. I, yeah, A plus.
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I agree with everything you said. Well, yeah, because basically you wrote it.
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No. So I think that would also be, you know,
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one of the cons is I don't know if AI would be
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able to differentiate between an
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AI written paper and someone actually doing research
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like we had to go to the library and check
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out books and give sources and actually
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learn how to do research the dewey
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decimal system which i know all that stuff is obviously not man i'm dating myself
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damn index cards yep sitting at the library downtown yeah index card yep yep
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yep but it again it taught us how to think it taught us how to do research it
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did that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And as and I think those are tools that we still apply in our everyday life,
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even to this day. I agree.
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Where, like you were saying, they become relying on it and they don't know how
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to think or go do real research.
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And I guess it's kind of the issue we have now with everyone just getting their
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information off the Internet with so much misinformation out there is why so much just bad.
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I don't know how it would. False. I don't even know what to call it. Wrong.
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Things are things are out there in the atmosphere. Well, it's like you said,
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with context, you know, if you don't you don't ask follow up questions,
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it's just going to spit out an answer.
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You're going to be like, see, I told you you were wrong. And it's like, OK, well, ask it this.
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And it digs deeper for sure and realize that you only know half of the story for sure.
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And and and you are I agree. It does 100 percent rely on the questions being
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asked the right way. The right way. Right.
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Because if you just tell, hey, whatever, do this for me, they'll do it.
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And then you'll read it and go, well, no, I need you to change this.
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No, I need you to change this again.
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That's why you just ask it what you want it to do.
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You know, specifically. That's it. That's the word right there.
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The more specific, the better response you're going to get.
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And that's something that I guess you just learn from trial and error. Right.
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I don't know bro anything else you want to talk about
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with this you know there was I had
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my notes y'all forgive me I was trying to find
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the breakdown I think I mentioned it
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to you the other day generations how they had one generation was was this then
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you know basically our parents generation then our siblings generation because
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you have older siblings that's do as do I and I I can't find it on my notes,
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but it was basically breaking down.
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How our parents were taught to, they were prepared for the real world.
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And then our siblings, that was the first time that calculator was introduced into the classroom.
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And there was this whole cheating panic across the country. Well,
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people are going to cheat because they have calculators. You remember we.
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Oh, no, we weren't allowed to use. Hell no.
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And if you got caught with one, it was almost like you got into a fight with
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somebody and were ready to suspend you.
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Yeah, for real. And then with us, when we had the computers,
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Oregon Trail, so on and so forth, I remember they were like,
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well, that's going to be too much time in front of a computer.
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That's going to rock their brains. Right. And now AI has replaced all of those things.
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Right. But I think that using the wrong way, this can be extremely dangerous.
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That's the key. Playing Oregon Trail was just playing Oregon Trail, being on a computer.
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They limited our time. And most homes didn't have a computer.
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I didn't grow up with a computer in the house.
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I think the first time I had a computer in the house consistently,
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I was already in my 20s. So was I.
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So I didn't grow up with it where it was taking all of my time every single day.
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So, but with AI, everybody has a phone.
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Everybody has access to it. Correct. Because it doesn't matter your poor kids
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have phone. Correct. It doesn't matter.
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So it can be a hindrance if you don't use it properly. Yeah,
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and since we're on the hindrance, the other thing I think we did not mention
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is the data privacy risk.
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All of your information, all of your educational history would be out there
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for someone with bad intentions to steal.
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And maybe even go in and manipulate grades if they got the password,
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if they got the firewall and go in and manipulate grades, whatever, whatever,
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where I think a teacher would be able to go, hey, this isn't my grading book.
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This person didn't have an A, where AI would just, oh, now you get an A,
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without any recollection of what had happened before a data breach, so to speak.
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So, sleeper topic with AI that I think is the most dangerous or could be.
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They say every AI conversation is the equivalent to one of these. The water usage.
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So a bottle of water, one conversation.
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Think about how many people across this world, not this country, across this world.
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It would have to be a data center damn near next to the school.
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Having a conversation, like right now as we talk, there's millions and millions
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of people having conversations with AI or using it in some way, shape, or form. Mm hmm.
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So that's that's another reason why, you know, like those data centers here,
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especially over there by where I live, when all those people came together. No, no, thanks.
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No, which we talked about in an earlier episode, which I think they're going
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to end up putting that one in Shelbyville, by the way. Yeah.
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So to give it a daily breakdown.
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Global AI industry could be responsible for withdrawing 4.2 to 6.6 billion cubic
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meters of water annually.
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11 to 18 million cubic meters per day.
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That is enough to fill thousands of Olympic-sized swimming pools. Wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. And again, we'll get into the cost aspect of education in the next,
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episode, the next podcast.
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But yeah, I mean, just think about what that would do for the cost.
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I mean, we had book rental to pay.
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Imagine with this. I mean, if every kid had to have a computer to take home
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or whatever, whatever, how expensive now would school be?
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But we'll get into that on the next episode.
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Anything else you want to add to this, brother? No, I think I think we pretty
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much cover what we wanted to today.
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All right, cool, cool, cool. All right, with that being said,
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y'all, we're going to run right into our next segment, which is current events.
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There are so many, so, so, so many things that has happened since we last recorded.
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But I want to briefly touch on Venezuela.
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Now that Maduro has been captured.
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Now that the smoke kidnapped. Now that the smoke is cleared.
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Do we still think that this was about drugs? Do we still think that those fishermen
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who were getting killed in the ocean were transporting drugs?
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This is about oil.
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It's always been about oil. I think just yesterday,
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he had a meeting in the White House with the top oil execs discussing how they
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were going to divvy up Venezuela.
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We've been duped. We've been had.
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We've been bamboozled, run amok, let us stray.
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Hood winked. Hood winked. It was never about drugs. And the reason why I know
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that is because he pardoned the Honduras.
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He pardoned the Honduras leader who was convicted by the Biden administration. He pardoned him.
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Maduro has not been convicted of anything.
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I'm just saying, y'all, once a colonizer, always a colonizer.
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And in my opinion, that's all that's happening here is we're about to colonize Venezuela.
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And just to add something to the end of that, we both think that Maduro is a piece of shit. Correct.
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So we don't want y'all to think that we're defending it. No, no, no.
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And speaking of colonization, let's talk about Graylin. Yeah.
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So, I feel like the Trump administration is playing a game of monopoly.
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It seems like it. Global monopoly is what we're playing.
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Now, this isn't new. We've been trying to take Greenland for 160 years. The difference is that,
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I forget the guys, and his last name was Seward way back in 1867.
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President Taft in 1910 tried to
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do a proposal for the Philippines and Greenland, you know, doing a trade.
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Truman offered 100 million bucks
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for it. Trump said, well, we're going to take it one way or the other.
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Well, there's also a rumor, rumor, rumor. I want to emphasize that this is a
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rumor that the people of Greenland could possibly get $100,000 each.
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Yeah, I saw them posting that as a bride. As a bride, yeah.
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Trying to bribe. Yeah, yeah. So the difference between all of these previous
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attempts is I'm not saying that the people of Greenland weren't worried because
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we've been a superpower for a long time.
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But I think that now it is a situation where you hear someone say,
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well, military options are on the table.
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You imagine how terrifying that is. Not to mention, if we go after Greenland, NATO's done.
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NATO will probably attack us. I don't think so.
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I think they'll all lay down and fold, with the exception of maybe one or two
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countries who won't. But what's the point of NATO if we take over Greenland? There is no point.
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So I don't really have much more to add to that other than I think I told you
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on the phone the other day. I'm tired.
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Yes. It's a lot.
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And you can't avoid it in this world. No. I mean, you turn the TV on if you
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watch, you know, YouTube or if you're on social media.
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You're going to get some whiff of it. you're going to get something.
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And when I pulled up here,
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There was a report that he has in the last hour enacted a national emergency
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to sell off the oil that we've seized.
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So he's declaring. Yeah. Yeah. He's declaring an emergency under I forget which act it was.
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Yeah. But it's it's still raw.
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It's it's it hasn't been refined. It hasn't been I mean, it's useless until
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you do something. Well, I won't say useless, but.
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Here's what's what's irritating. These these executives said at that office
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yesterday and smiled, knowing damn well that they're not going back to Venezuela. Why would they? Right.
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They've they've state claims in other places. Why would they?
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Anything involving Venezuela is a long term thing. Correct.
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Nothing. These executives probably
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left there going, man, I'm so tired of this idiot because it won't.
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It'll it'll take years before that oil can be used as gasoline year.
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And I don't mean like 2028.
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It will take years before we see any type of decrease in gasoline.
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So, yeah, all of it is I won't say far fetched, but it is not imminent.
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No. Yeah. Like you said, we're talking. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I don't even understand why trying to sell the oil.
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Right now is like for what?
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Wine is not yours to sell, but for what?
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It's just crazy to me how they take control of their oil fields,
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kick everybody out. I forget the exact year.
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And that's why we're back. Because remember, he said, well, we're going to go
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back and take what they took from us. Which is not our oil.
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It's not our oil. Yeah, it's not our oil. We told them, all right.
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I mean, Venezuela told us, all right, y'all can get out. We're going to start
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making our money off of off of our old. Yeah.
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And he doesn't like that. Correct. Oh, I'm sorry. Because he had no idea about
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that. So whoever's putting the information into his head.
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Steven. Yeah, that dude. Which, by the way, did you see that video of him when
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he was in high school? No. And I don't want to.
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So he did a, he got uncovered, I think yesterday, the day before,
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you know, he got the beard, He got the hair, real scrawny, complaining that
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they can't just throw their trash on the ground because that's what we pay the janitors to do.
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Why do we have to throw away our own trash?
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You can't be serious. In high school. I think it was one of his family members
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that posted it. That was his argument. Yeah.
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Lord have mercy. That got to be the most privileged mess I've ever heard.
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Wow. So someone should just walk behind you and just pick up behind you all
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day, every day, you know.
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Whatever what whatever what whatever that's
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what i did i saw the video i was like man whatever and i just closed yeah yeah
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what whatever that's just so ridiculous on his face that's that's all i got
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for a current event bro everybody stay stay tuned i mean just stay tuned all
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right something happen by the time we finish yes stay tuned and as hard as it
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may be don't get discouraged,
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we just got to keep fighting i think
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flooding the zone with all of this nonsense is
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a tactic to get people to feel discouraged and give up and then feel like there's
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nothing that we can do so we got to stay in the fight we got to be hopeful that
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eventually things are going to turn The tide is going to turn.
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And then what they do is when you have this situation like you have now,
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then they'll give you, they'll feed you something that gives you hope.
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You're like, oh, okay, well, cool. We're doing that now.
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All right. That's what's up. So it makes you feel like they're solving problems.
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But the problem is you created the problem.
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All the time. You can't create the problem. All the time. And then solve it.
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All the time. That's what he did with TikTok.
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Right. You created the thing. Yeah. I'm going to ban TikTok And then you want
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to praise for saying I'm not going to ban TikTok now I'm going to give you 30 more days Yeah.
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I mean talk about people falling for the okie-dok Bro It's just nuts It's 100% nuts But,
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Again, we got to stay in the fight, y'all. That's why we do this podcast so we can inform people.
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You know what I'm saying? All hope is not lost. There are many other podcasts out here.
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Pay attention. That's all I can ask is just pay attention. All right.
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There are a lot of people who are exposing the fallacies and the foolishness
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and all of the illegalities of this administration.
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Pay attention y'all we in this fight and
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it is a fight believe you me it's a
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fight you got it you got a current event bro or we
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gonna we gonna move on to our work i did agree oh okay
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my bad my bad i thought i thought that was all part of the same conversation
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no i did i did kind of just yeah yeah yeah okay okay okay cool i mean hey no
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that's that's great that's how we wanted to flow just like a conversation all
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right you know we're gonna move into our uh our work y'all or a rant about a random topic,
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everybody's favorite segment, including mine. You got it right, bro?
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Man, I got a bunch, but...
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One that really irritates me, and it involves Minnesota as well. Oh, yeah. Go for it.
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So, which another thing, too, I got to stop saying so, so damn much. So?
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Hey, somebody listening just said, yeah, you do.
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Because when I listen back to them, I go, man, I said that like 12 times?
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No, it's all good. I want to talk about the freezing of the funds in Minnesota.
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So $130 million, it's a USDA freeze, basically what they call it.
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It targets funding for SNAP and other USDA things that they take care of in Minnesota.
29:36
The reasoning behind it is supposedly to stop fraud. Apparently,
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there's fraud in Minnesota, which it's funny how he just randomly attacks. First, it was Somalia.
29:48
Then it's something else. Then it's something else. So it's going to be something new.
29:52
So the impact of it, it doesn't necessarily stop EBT cards from working immediately.
29:57
So if you have money on the card, it'll still work. The difference is people seeking renewals.
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They don't have the funding for new applicants at all if they cut it off.
30:08
So then they would have to use state
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funding, which would take away from infrastructure and everything else.
30:14
So you start to see collapses.
30:17
And it's all planned out.
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This is all part of Project 2025.
30:22
It's all planned out. Now, I'm sure that they can do...
30:26
They can go to court, which I'm sure a federal judge will definitely stop it.
30:31
It's just the constant bullshit.
30:36
You know that I can go to court and get this stopped, but you just want to put me through it.
30:43
Distractions. You just want to put with him, though. I don't even think it's
30:47
a distraction. It's more or less like I don't like you and I'm going to inconvenience you.
30:52
I see that. I see that. One, it is definitely going to get challenged in court
30:58
because the largest fraud happening right now is in Mississippi.
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But you have only targeted the Democrat states. Five of them. Five. Correct.
31:12
Which, again, shows that this is all political and partisan based.
31:19
But here's here's my issue with all of it. Right.
31:24
So you're going to punish everyone in all five of those states.
31:31
You're going to punish all of those people who depend on that money.
31:36
They depend on that help.
31:38
The actions of a few this this this
31:42
isn't about the minnesota somali
31:45
daycare fraud that's irrelevant first of
31:48
all that case is old that hell
31:51
yeah yeah 92 people have already been convicted that case really doesn't even
31:58
matter and and to be quite honest that dude who made the video trying to go
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to the daycare he should have been in jail i was waiting on somebody to just
32:08
show up and knock his ass out.
32:09
He should have gotten knocked out, but he should be in jail.
32:12
And it's funny when they did the when the news people were out there and they
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were talking to him and the lady from the local broadcast he said, so it's business hours.
32:21
And the lady said so what?
32:24
Every daycare door is locked. Every. He said, well where's the receptionist?
32:28
And the lady says, this is a privately owned.
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Maybe they don't have the money for a receptionist. Right. You can't just walk into a daycare.
32:37
Small kids. man get get real
32:40
get real such an idiot such an
32:43
idiot but you know what'll happen going back
32:46
to what you and i talk about all the time somebody will write him a check he'll
32:50
have the number three podcast in the country by next week for sure he'll be
32:54
loaded for sure all day every day 100 but yeah it's just i i i i just like you can't.
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Validate any of this you can't say it's not
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political yeah when it's when
33:12
it like i said it's five democratic states that
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you're freezing the funding on but also
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the fact that how many innocent people who don't have anything to do with fraud
33:24
don't even pay attention to politics right is getting caught up in the fray
33:28
that's my problem with these broad general punishments is target your attack, bro.
33:36
If you really want to solve a problem, an issue, target it towards that.
33:44
Don't do these broad general claims because too many people are going to get
33:50
hurt. And people are going to get hurt.
33:53
And believe you me, when people don't have enough to eat, they're going to start
33:59
stealing is just inevitable because
34:03
I would, or even worse, resorting to violence. Resorting to violence.
34:08
So, yeah, again, creating a problem and then we're probably trying, hey, look, I fixed it.
34:17
No, it's your fault to begin with, asshole.
34:21
I don't know, man. You good on your work, bro? Yeah.
34:25
Alright, I'm gonna lighten things up, y'all. I mean, because like I said,
34:29
in these last two weeks, it's just been so much thrown at us that,
34:35
just need a moment of laughter. So I'm going to try and provide that right now.
34:41
So I was flipping through the channels one day because it hasn't been much on.
34:46
And I just happened to stop on Celebrity Jeopardy because I seen Neil deGrasse Tyson.
34:53
For those of you who don't know, Neil deGrasse Tyson is a world renowned astrophysicist
35:01
and regularly regarded,
35:03
I mean, regarded as one of
35:05
the smartest people or most intelligent people on
35:08
the planet so i'm like
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oh i'm gonna watch this because he's gonna like wipe the floor with everyone
35:18
and i'm watching and you know he's running down the category and i'm like all
35:22
right neil i see you and then something strange happened neil started getting a lot of answers wrong.
35:34
And I'm like hey hey what's happening
35:38
here so now I'm watching like the entire I never watched Jeopardy I'm watching
35:43
the entire episode spoiler alert y'all Neil lost not to another scientist he lost to an actress,
35:56
and I'm just like looking at Neil kind of sussing now because I'm like hey hey
36:02
hey what what's going on bro are you only an expert when it comes to astrophysics and.
36:10
We should strip your title with being one of the smartest people in the world
36:14
because maybe it just relates to your particular field.
36:19
Now, every category was about astrophysics. He'd probably wipe the floor with
36:23
them. Well, they don't pay attention to a lot of the other things. Yeah.
36:26
Yeah. So I was like shocked that I'm like, we just got his ass kicked on celebrity television.
36:34
This is totally not what I was expecting. Yeah. It was just kind of shocking to me, bro.
36:41
Yeah it's uh i know mina kimes from
36:44
espn she talked about when she was on there and how because i
36:47
mean she's obviously she's intelligent as hell too and there
36:51
were things that she missed and the pod you know i was listening to a podcast
36:54
and they were all laughing and making fun of her about it and she goes it's
36:58
different when you i bet it is though i bet i bet that that pressure gets on
37:03
you and you probably just have kind of like and she's she's an ivy league grad yeah yeah Yeah,
37:08
brain, a brain freeze and all of that kind of stuff. So, yeah.
37:12
Yeah, I bet. Like, just like the what's the what's the family feud when they
37:15
do it at the end of the show, whatever they call it, fast money or whatever.
37:19
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Some of those questions are very easy. But you see some people
37:23
sometimes sit there and they get froze and they go blank and it just like you
37:29
didn't know that. And you sitting at home screaming at the TV.
37:32
Exactly. Exactly. And I'm like, yeah, I bet, you know, when you're standing up there is different.
37:37
And as soon as he Sing you back to your family You go man I can't believe I
37:42
got that answer wrong The second person Is the one where Give me an animal With three letters,
37:51
Everybody's going to say cat immediately And then you forget Dog Yeah.
37:58
I feel you I just thought that was funny That Neil lost on Celebrity Jeopardy
38:03
And like I said maybe that was just my own bias and expectations,
38:07
but yeah, that was just, you know, ironic.
38:11
Something I definitely did not expect.
38:15
Everybody likes him, too. That's one thing about him. You don't hear many people
38:19
say anything bad about him. No, no, no.
38:21
And I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not taking shots at Neil.
38:25
I'm saying this for a laugh.
38:28
I know Neil is crazy intelligent. And I've seen him speak on topics outside of astrophysics.
38:36
We're just like, this dude is mega smart.
38:40
You're asking about football, though. He'll probably be like, uh, I have no idea.
38:46
Yeah, he'd probably start telling you why a helmet, you know,
38:49
functions the way it does.
38:51
Yeah, I can't tell you about Walter Payton, but I can tell you about the helmet
38:53
he used to wear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:56
Yeah, all right, cool, cool, cool. So, now, and I just said so twice,
39:01
we're going to move on to our next segment, Five on the Blackhand Side, and we got an O.D.,
39:11
just leave it at that we got an od today that we're gonna
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we're gonna talk about and we're gonna talk about a movie called the last dragon
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no no let me let me let me stop there barry gordy's the last dragon take it
39:28
away my brother so damn it i just said so again.
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The last dragon was released 85 85
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we were nine years old when this movie was released michael schultz directed
39:43
it yep barry gordy yep the executive producer yeah was a producer here's what's
39:50
crazy so the genre that it's listed under what would you list it i would call it a.
39:59
Kung Fu flick? It is a martial arts action comedy musical.
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That's a lot. Yeah. Wow. And the musical part, we'll talk about that. Yes.
40:11
Which all these years later, although we love Elder Barge, just made no damn sense.
40:16
Yeah. And let's have an impromptu video. Yeah. The whole goddamn song. Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah.
40:21
In the middle of the movie. In the middle of the damn movie.
40:24
Yeah. And let's stop for a concert. Yeah. Yeah.
40:27
Yeah. Because most people don't understand. And of course, I mean,
40:30
at that time, the barge was.
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They were big. They were the replacements for the Jackson, for the Jackson. Correct.
40:39
Wait, and this this isn't like Purple Rain, Purple Rain.
40:44
Yes, there were a lot of like music videos in Purple Rain, but that's because
40:50
it was sort of a documentary, so to speak. But I don't think this movie knew
40:55
if it wanted to be The Karate Kid or Purple Rain. Correct.
40:59
That is correct. It was almost like Barry Gordy was just watching it on two
41:03
different TVs going, let's just make this.
41:06
One movie. We're going to turn Karate Kid and Purple Rain into one movie.
41:12
I don't know what the hell Barry Gordy was thinking. I'm going to just be honest, bro.
41:17
This is a way for me to promote my artist.
41:21
Okay. Which he did. Yes. I'm going to produce it.
41:25
I'm going to find a 19-year-old non-trained actor to play the starring role of the movie.
41:34
I'm going to put him in a movie theater, watching a Bruce Lee flick.
41:38
And as you mentioned the other day that I completely forgot about eating popcorn with chopsticks.
41:46
Some damn chopsticks. Then I'm going to send a dude in by 6263 into a movie theater.
42:01
And I'm going to have him beat everybody up because Bruce Leroy ignored yes.
42:08
Now, at nine, this was the best movie ever. Correct. We loved it. The glow. The glow.
42:15
And it had vanity in it. Correct. That right there was enough for me.
42:20
Yes. But when you get older and you realize that Shonuf was walking around Harlem in the 80s.
42:26
I don't even know how to describe his gear, bro. He was dressed like Shredder.
42:33
Yeah. Without the helmet. Yeah. And a different color. What is that,
42:36
like a 1940s Japanese samurai type did-up or something?
42:42
I would even give it 1940s. I would say 1840s.
42:45
Oh, yeah. It was crazy.
42:49
But yeah, then having the full-length concert with DeBarge in the middle of the movie.
42:56
I'm even sure DeBarge and the crew were like, you want us to do what?
43:00
Yeah, yeah, this is a way for us to promote you. It's basically a concert.
43:06
So this was like a musical. I know you don't like musicals, but it was kind of like a musical.
43:15
With some iconic lines by the way that's true that's true I don't so,
43:23
I don't even know I don't like I said I don't know what Barry Gordy was thinking
43:28
when he made this movie bro I don't,
43:32
it's just so.
43:35
Mismatched but I guess we should give some plot so I did kind of get off yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah.
43:45
Bruce Leroy, who is the star, the main character, is a martial artist who is
43:56
looking to reach peak level,
44:00
peak level being the glow.
44:03
And Bruce Lee is his idol and
44:07
and he tells this story about how Bruce Lee
44:10
when he was in top form his body would
44:13
get this magical glow and it
44:16
almost meant that he was invincible and this is what Bruce Leroy is chasing
44:23
the entire movie so he's one of the toughest guys in Harlem when it comes to
44:31
Kung Fu and his nemesis is Shonuf,
44:35
who had the worst skills ever.
44:39
So the entire movie is Shonuf trying to pick a fight.
44:47
This guy and Bruce Leroy keeps running.
44:52
Not running in a punk way, just like I'm a peaceful man and I don't want to fight you.
45:01
Sure enough was more like a pest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:05
So that's one plot because again, let's get to the musical aspect of it, right?
45:12
So we got the villain, Eddie Arcadia. Eddie Arcadia. Thank you.
45:19
Who he wants Vanity, who's the top video jock like VJ, like he used to have. Yeah.
45:28
He wants Vanity to play his girlfriend's single video, whatever, on her show.
45:37
And Vanity's like no it kind
45:40
of sucks so I'm not playing that on
45:42
my show so he tries
45:46
to kidnap Vanity or he does kidnap Vanity basically
45:49
and try and force her to play
45:53
the lady's music where Bruce Leroy saves
45:56
Vanity so now he's mad at Bruce
45:59
Leroy so now he enlists
46:03
show enough to deal with Bruce Leroy to get rid of Bruce Leroy so he can kidnap
46:10
Vanity again to make her put the video on the show yes it doesn't make sense
46:18
we completely understand.
46:22
Bro listen to you explain that.
46:26
Hearing you explain it that way I'm sitting there thinking what? yes what happened?
46:32
Yes it's so crazy and it's,
46:39
so like we were saying show enough is dressed in like this old Japanese samurai
46:45
get up for the entire movie this is how he walks around all day Bruce Leroy
46:51
walks around dressed like Bruce Lee,
46:56
Here's how ridiculous it is when they go to the Asian guys.
47:02
Even the Asian guys are like, why are you dressed like that,
47:06
dude? They like get the hell out of here.
47:10
Oh, man. I mean, just. So anyway, to get to the finale.
47:16
Well, hold up. I had to bring up something. OK.
47:20
We got to bring up his father's slogan. just directed your pizza to Daddy Green's Pizza.
47:30
Director D-I-R-E-C-T-A. Yeah. Director. Yeah.
47:36
Which sure enough and his buddies go in and like totally vandalize and harass
47:42
his family trying to pick a fight with Bruce Leroy. Nobody calls the police.
47:47
You know what I'm saying? They just let this dude bust the windows and break
47:51
all kind of the counters and all kind of stuff.
47:54
Yeah, nobody thought to call the police and the little brother who I wanted to smack.
48:01
He was always messing with him. You're a coward.
48:05
You kissed his feet and everything.
48:09
Oh, man. Just. Now, before you get to the final scene, we want y'all to remember,
48:16
all Shonuf did was belittle Bruce Leroy through the whole movie.
48:20
The entire movie about focusing on his art yeah and trying to become better
48:25
yeah and achieve that glow and what happens brother at the end so they finally
48:32
meet up where they have to fight it's unavoidable.
48:38
Starts to fight Shonuf and Shonuf got the glow, the red glow. His hands are glowing.
48:47
Which means he's been practicing his craft. He's been practicing his craft.
48:53
And he's beating up Bruce Leroy. He's dunking his head in the water.
48:59
Who is the master?
49:02
With the worst uppercuts.
49:06
I can't hear you Leroy he should
49:11
have drowned but anyway so while
49:15
all of this dunking his head in the water and trying to drown him eventually
49:20
Leroy gets the confidence he stopped being scared and realizes what I've been
49:28
searching for the entire movie I've had all along.
49:35
So finally he goes, I am.
49:38
And Shodanuf tries to still on him, but Leroy catches his hand.
49:43
I'm the master. And he starts this whole glow when his arms are moving super
49:50
fast, and now his whole body is glowing.
49:53
He beats up Shodanuf. He gets the, uh, saves Vanity, and then Eddie Arcadian
50:01
comes up with probably like the realest line in the whole movie.
50:08
You know where to stop all that kung fu shit? A .45 bullet.
50:14
Until you realize that the glow apparently gives you strong teeth. Not strong teeth, bro.
50:22
Not strong teeth. Teflon teeth. Ha ha ha ha ha.
50:29
So he tries to shoot Bruce Leroy in the face and Bruce Leroy catches the bullet with his teeth.
50:42
I also think it needs to be stated that Roger Ebert, out of all the nonsense
50:48
that we talked about in this movie, Eddie Arcadian was the only thing about
50:52
this movie he absolutely hated.
50:55
Not give this a high rating no no no no no no oh okay but
50:58
he was talking about how if anything in
51:01
the movie where he felt was like yo what was eddie arcadia yeah yeah the the
51:08
the and and like you said we were we were young we were kids we love this and
51:13
and and listen i think this might still have like a cult following.
51:19
Oh yeah. But not because it's good.
51:23
It's actually terrible. We haven't even mentioned the name of the fortune cookie factory yet.
51:30
Go ahead bro. Some dumb guy.
51:36
How offensive that shit is?
51:40
Oh man. I mean like this whole.
51:44
Like Barry Goyt didn't have nobody Asian on the squad saying,
51:48
hey, Barry, you probably nah, that's offensive.
51:53
Just the whole cultural appropriation of
51:57
it with show enough and Bruce Leroy like you were saying on the phone running
52:04
around Harlem dressed like they came straight out of an old Samurai Sunday Kung
52:09
Fu flick and it's just like they go Harlem in the 80s as we know it. Right.
52:15
Man, that sure enough would have lasted one day. Right. He would have got killed. Right. Beat up.
52:21
And it's just like to me it's like you don't need to dress like that to be a kung fu master. No.
52:32
Even get like the purpose and and they're like the only
52:35
two in the movie that are dressed like that no one else
52:38
and even show enough homies didn't dress like that yeah they would dress like
52:42
typical 80s army fatigues basically yeah and oh man yeah it is this movie is
52:50
is is is just not good y'all here here's i and and i guess i don't know for sure but.
52:59
Why didn't old boy blow up after this time
53:02
act i mean because this was the height
53:05
of the kung fu movies so why didn't
53:08
he blow up like billy blanks would you know got to got to go be in a lot of
53:13
kung fu movies what's my man steve james got to do some kung fu flicks if y'all
53:21
don't know who steve james is that's well what was his name i'm gonna get you
53:24
sucker kung fu joe oh yeah yeah
53:27
yeah yeah yeah yeah why wasn't
53:30
he and i'm gonna get you suck it right i
53:34
don't i don't know if michael jai white was around back then but i mean i know
53:39
he was in a lot of kung fu flicks yeah he would have been a teenager during
53:43
that time yeah so i'm just like why why why didn't this guy career like but
53:49
the thing is with him is he was a true martial artist so he was like,
53:54
trained so maybe he didn't want to do it yeah maybe it was kind of like well
53:59
shoot being a movie with Barry Gordy and of course Vanity I mean who didn't love Vanity back there,
54:04
maybe he just went back to training yeah it may and I meant to look up like
54:09
his resume and see if like he got some actual championships.
54:13
Behind his name or whatever I mean because I know Don the Dragon Wilson was
54:17
also like a a pro fighter but he still did his movies in between,
54:23
his uh kickboxing championships and whatnot so
54:26
while you were talking i pulled it up so he was actually janet jackson's love
54:31
interest and let's wait a while the video and then while i'm thinking about
54:35
it it sure that sure in hell was him i didn't pay attention to that bro um and
54:39
he was a martial arts choreographer for madonna in her 2001 tour.
54:45
Was working more behind the scenes yeah and i know he
54:48
had like a little cameo appearance on a different world
54:51
beverly hills 90210 and third watch oh so he had he had cameo appearances okay
54:58
so he got a little bit more work than i realize or recognize but yeah it says
55:03
that he in the early days of ufc he was a referee and an official for preliminary bouts
55:10
and he did a lot of fitness culture okay all right that that makes sense and
55:15
i'm not saying stay working stay yeah yeah yeah and i'm not i'm not saying like
55:18
the guy was a great actor or anything like that he was pretty bad no he was
55:22
he was bad i'm just saying you know you would think that he would just show
55:25
up in some of those martial arts movies where,
55:28
you're not here to act you're here to fight you know so with bolo right right right right right.
55:35
Bro and i mean we we did have i guess this was our first introduction to ernie
55:40
reyes yeah yeah and i mean that was that was that was cool looking back at it i would say if we were,
55:48
judging this movie at age nine this would be like fives all the way around yeah
55:55
but looking back at like if we're looking at it for nostalgia i'd watch it again
56:00
for nostalgia reasons and critique the hell out of it just because I don't know.
56:06
And as we get older, we critique things a little more than we used to,
56:08
but it's a pretty awful movie. It is an awful movie, bro.
56:12
And I'm sorry, but I mentioned vanity was in it. You didn't need to.
56:19
Also some terrible acting from her. It's like everybody just phoned.
56:25
It almost felt like the director was just like, man, let's just get through this.
56:31
I know Barry is my friend, but I'm not just Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:35
Let's just let's just get through it.
56:37
I can't. I just can't do it. Let's just let's just hurry up,
56:42
guys. Cut. Great. That's a tape. It's a wrap.
56:45
No, no type of direction. No. Give me give me some more emotion.
56:49
Just yeah, just just just just terrible. But I will say this.
56:54
Not I guess a little to do with Last Dragon you know sure enough was Murphy
57:00
Brown's boyfriend for like a season or two.
57:05
Mm-hmm. Yep. I used to like that show. Hey, that show was hilarious,
57:09
man. Yeah, I like it. That show was low-key hilarious.
57:11
Yeah, I think for like a season or two, he was Murphy Brown's boyfriend.
57:16
Really? Yep. Yep. And I just happened to be watching some old episodes,
57:20
and I was like, hey, that's show enough.
57:23
It's just so hard for me to picture him without that curl and stupid glasses that look like blinds.
57:30
Yeah. I had a pair, though.
57:32
Dude, they didn't keep the sun out of your eyes. I used to wear them things
57:35
all the time. Yeah, the breakdancing glasses. Yeah, they were horrible.
57:39
They were horrible. So I guess we let the cat out of the bag that we don't like this movie.
57:44
So what, we're going to give this zero high fives on the black hand side?
57:47
It doesn't even deserve half of a high five.
57:50
Yeah. Not now. Not now.
57:54
Back in the day, we would have been all over it. For sure.
57:59
For sure. But there's a lot of movies that when we were kids, we loved.
58:04
And if we go back and watch them now, we'd be like. But there was some that
58:08
we look at and they, although they might not be as great, we still love them. Like the Golden Child.
58:15
Golden Child is hilarious, though. Yeah. Yeah. That movie is hilarious.
58:20
Eddie is so inappropriate, but the movie is hilarious. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.
58:25
All right, y'all. So we're going to leave it there. We cannot.
58:28
Okay, listen, if you want to laugh, watch it. Watch it. Yeah. Yeah, watch it.
58:36
Just know, going into it, that it's bad. Yeah. Okay?
58:42
That's what we'll say about Barry Gordy's The Last Dragon. If you're out of
58:48
NyQuil and you need to go to sleep.
58:50
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
58:55
Oh, man. All right. Cool. Well, this week, y'all, we're going to do something
59:01
a little different with our closing monologue.
59:04
Instead of my brother, I'm actually going to do the closing monologue.
59:09
And this is this is some will say that I'm probably off base,
59:15
but I think that this is 100 percent on point. So with that being said,
59:22
I'm going to jump right into it.
59:24
And I want to start by stating for the record that I am unapologetically black
59:33
is one of the few labels that I will not reject.
59:39
With that being said, this is not intended to trigger or offend or anger anyone.
59:48
And if it does, that says more about you than it does about me.
59:55
This is a call for unity to black people and more specifically, black Americans.
1:00:04
I have spoken about this extensively and I just want to say that this is a call to action,
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a request, a demand if I have the cachet to make one, which I don't.
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But we need to hold every office seeking politician accountable.
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I know what you're saying. We already do that. Thank you.
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Not when it comes to this issue. And that issue is reparations.
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I don't care if they have an R or a D next to their name.
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I don't care if they are black, white, Asian or Hispanic or anything in between.
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If reparations is not part of their agenda, then you cannot have our vote.
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The wealth gap that exists between black and white families can be directly traced back to slavery.
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Other mechanisms, such as redlining, biozoning laws, have reduced the property
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value of black neighborhoods, which can be attributed to generational wealth.
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There are many other systemic injustices that have occurred which negatively
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impacted our financial stability.
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To make a long story short, this isn't about a handout.
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This is about rectifying an unforgivable offense that no other community has faced in this country.
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Don't tell us now isn't the time when the government seems to have funds for
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Argentina and Ukraine and Israel and possibly Venezuela and possibly Greenland.
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Don't ask us where would the U.S.
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Get the funds because that question is never asked except when reparations is the topic.
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Online services have been rendered and the bill is way past due.
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Going forward, no politician should receive our support unless they are willing to support.
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It's time to get on cold. Period.
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Well said. Cool. All right.
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We gonna leave it there for now.
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We want to thank y'all for tuning in to episode 17 of For The Fan Podcast.
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Again, y'all, we are on every major platform where you get your other podcasts.
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So look us up. Give us a listen.
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Give us a like. Share.
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Tell a friend. Drop a comment. All the things that y'all already know how to do.
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All right. We're going to keep saying it. And we're going to keep saying it
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and we're going to keep saying it.
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So, again, get on cold.
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Download, listen, share, tell somebody. All of that.
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All of that. All right, y'all. Well, we got to hit the road because we're going to watch the Bears game.
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So we just want to say bear down.
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And like I said, thank you all for tuning in to another episode.
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And we'll holler at y'all next time. Peace.