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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Amnesia Plague (9/20/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. All of Jeffrey Epstein's ex-homies want you to
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Speaker 1: forget some of the richest, most powerful people on earth,
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Speaker 1: the men and women, who built empires on networking, memory,
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Speaker 1: and meticulous calculation, all suddenly pretending they can't remember the
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Speaker 1: name Jeffrey Epstein. Presidents, princes, billionaires, bankers, professors, tech titans,
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Speaker 1: media darlings, People whose lives revolve around knowing exactly who's
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Speaker 1: in the room. And yet, when Epstein's house of cards collapsed,
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Speaker 1: every single one of them reached for the same damn excuse.
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Speaker 2: Amnesia.
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Speaker 1: And it reads like a bad sitcom gag. Like we're
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Speaker 1: supposed to swallow that they just happened to forget the
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Speaker 1: private jets, the island trips, the endless photographs, the money,
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Speaker 1: the dinners, and the introductions. But we all know the deal.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about forgetting here. We're talking about survival.
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Speaker 1: It was a coordinated effort by a class of elites
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Speaker 1: who realized Epstein's downfall wasn't just about him, it was
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Speaker 1: about them. Their proximity, their complicity, their silence. And so
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Speaker 1: they tried to vanish him from their history with the
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Speaker 1: flick of a line in a press statement. I barely
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Speaker 1: knew him. Ah, we crossed paths. Yo, I regret that association.
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Speaker 1: A set of lines so uniform, so rehearsed. It might
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Speaker 1: as well have been written in a crisis manual and
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Speaker 1: faxed out to every corner office and palace chamber. And
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Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, that's where the real story lives,
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Speaker 1: not Epstein himself. We know what his bitch ass was,
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Speaker 1: what he did, what he built. The real story is
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Speaker 1: the people who surrounded him, legitimized him, benefited from him,
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Speaker 1: and then tried to erase him. The Amnesia Act is
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Speaker 1: a confession. The lie is the tell. And once you
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Speaker 1: see it, you realize the whole system wasn't on the
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Speaker 1: cover up. These people all play the same trick, didn't they?
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Speaker 1: The minute Epstein's empire of rot finally collapsed under its
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Speaker 1: own stench, the people who once basked in his orbit
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Speaker 1: suddenly developed a case of convenient amnesia. And we're not
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Speaker 1: talking about small players. We're talking about titans, politicians, CEOs, academics, princes.
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Speaker 1: People whose lives are built on remembering names, cultivating connections,
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Speaker 1: and cashing in on favors. Yet when the heat came,
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Speaker 1: they clutched their pearls and swore they barely knew him.
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Speaker 1: as though he didn't have the photographs, the flight logs,
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Speaker 1: and the endless receipts proving otherwise. The lie was almost
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Speaker 1: more insulting than the crime, because it depended on the
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Speaker 1: public being gullible enough to let them get away with it.
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Speaker 1: And the hypocrisy ran thick. These were people who made
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Speaker 1: careers off being calculating and shrewd, who never made a
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Speaker 1: mistake in their associations because their reputations were too valuable
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Speaker 1: to risk. They don't eat a meal without vetting the table.
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Speaker 1: They don't share air without knowing what it can buy them.
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Speaker 1: But suddenly, when the monster was cornered, they wanted us
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Speaker 1: to believe they stumbled into his orbit by accident. A
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Speaker 1: few dinners, a few plane rides, a few meetings, nothing serious.
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Speaker 1: And then poof, memory erased. If you or I tried
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Speaker 1: to pull that in a courtroom, we'd be laughed out
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Speaker 1: of the building and slapped with perjury charges. And for me,
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Speaker 1: what makes it even worse is the sheer arrogance of
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Speaker 1: their denial. They're not just distancing themselves. They're betting on
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Speaker 1: the fact that the media, the institutions, and the very
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Speaker 1: public they scorned for years would help bury the connections.
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Speaker 1: And for the most part, that gamble has worked. The
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Speaker 1: denials were reported straight. The spin was repeated. The polite
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Speaker 1: excuses were taken at face value. I barely knew him.
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Speaker 1: I regret the association. Yo, I had no knowledge of
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Speaker 1: his crimes. And the statements were treated as if they
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Speaker 1: closed the book. instead of what they really were, desperate
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Speaker 1: attempts to keep the book from ever being opened. And
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Speaker 1: the act was always the same. Epstein was just a
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Speaker 1: name that passed through the lives of background characters at
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Speaker 1: some event, a nuisance who somehow appeared in the same room.
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Speaker 1: They never explained why they appeared in the same room
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Speaker 1: so often, or why the rooms in question were private jets, mansions,
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Speaker 1: and secluded islands. They never explained why their names appeared
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Speaker 1: in logs again and again, why they had their phone numbers,
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Speaker 1: why he funneled the money, or why they sought his
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Speaker 1: company even after his 2008 conviction. No, the script was simpler. Deny, regret,
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Speaker 1: and move on. And move on they did. In fact,
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Speaker 1: that's what the entire class of elites counted on. The
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Speaker 1: churn of the news cycle, the short attention span of
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Speaker 1: the public, the carefully staged distractions, bread and circuses. They
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Speaker 1: thought if they offered a soundbite of amnesia, they could
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Speaker 1: walk away clean while the survivors were left to live
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Speaker 1: with the memories no amount of money could ever erase.
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Speaker 1: It was the ultimate insult to pretend forgetting was an
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Speaker 1: option when others had been branded by trauma forever. But
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Speaker 1: forgetting was never the point. It was about self-preservation. These
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Speaker 1: people didn't want to untangle just how closely they were
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Speaker 1: associated with Epstein. Because it wasn't just about proximity. It
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Speaker 1: was about complicity. They legitimized him. They cashed his checks.
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Speaker 1: They absorbed his influence into their institutions. His money bought
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Speaker 1: them prestige. His names bought them cover. And when the
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Speaker 1: mask fell, both sides tried to burn the receipts. They
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Speaker 1: couldn't erase the history, so they rewrote their own role
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Speaker 1: in it. The culture of amnesia was certainly contagious. It
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Speaker 1: spread faster than any scandal Epstein himself could create. The
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Speaker 1: denials weren't individual. They seemed coordinated, patterned, and rehearsed. You
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Speaker 1: could line them up side by side and see the
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Speaker 1: uniformity in them. Like a legal memo passed around to
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Speaker 1: anyone who might get caught in the fire, minimize, sanitize, deny,
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Speaker 1: say as little as possible, claim regret, but never accountability.
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Speaker 1: And it worked because the institutions were complicit too. Universities
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Speaker 1: that took his money with a smile suddenly insisted they
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Speaker 1: had no idea who he really was. Banks that moved
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Speaker 1: his millions pretended their compliance departments had all been on vacation.
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Speaker 1: Media outlets that sent reporters to his dinner parties looked
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Speaker 1: the other way for years, and then acted shocked when
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Speaker 1: the story finally exploded. The amnesia wasn't just personal, it
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Speaker 1: was systemic. Entire sectors of society wanted to forget because
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Speaker 1: remembering meant admitting that they enabled them. And real talk,
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Speaker 1: they didn't even hide it well. The excuses were flimsy,
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Speaker 1: the timelines didn't add up, the contradictions were glaring. But
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Speaker 1: they understood power better than anyone. They knew that accountability
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Speaker 1: only applies to those without it. They knew the system
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Speaker 1: wasn't designed to hold them to their own standards. So
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Speaker 1: they said the words, they played the role, and they
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Speaker 1: walked away. Untouched, unscathed, still clutching their titles and their fortunes.
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Speaker 1: And there's something almost theatrical about it. The world's most
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Speaker 1: powerful people pretending they were extras in someone else's tragedy?
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Speaker 1: Epstein was cast as the villain, the fall guy, the
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Speaker 1: disposable character. They, meanwhile, were just innocent bystanders passing through.
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Speaker 1: But the evidence tells a different story. They weren't extras.
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Speaker 1: They were co-stars. They were the ones who kept him
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Speaker 1: in the script so long after he should have been
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Speaker 1: written out. And when they fanged amnesia, it wasn't just cowardice.
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Speaker 2: It was contempt.
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Speaker 1: Contempt for the survivors who told their stories. Contempt for
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Speaker 1: the public who could see the evidence. Contempt for the
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Speaker 1: very idea of accountability. They were afraid of being caught
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Speaker 1: in a lie. They were so confident no one would
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Speaker 1: call it what it was. They believed they could gaslight
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Speaker 1: the world into silence. And for a while they did.
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Speaker 1: The survivors were drowned out. The headlines softened. The denials recycled.
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Speaker 1: The lie calcified into a kind of truth. Not because
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Speaker 1: it was real. but because it was repeated enough times
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Speaker 1: by people powerful enough to enforce it. Amnesia became the shield,
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Speaker 1: and the shield became the narrative. The irony there, of course,
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Speaker 1: is that Epstein himself was obsessed with memory. He kept records, files, receipts.
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Speaker 1: He collected names like currency. He understood the value of information,
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Speaker 1: the power of holding onto details others wanted forgotten. His
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Speaker 1: entire empire was built on memory as leverage. And yet
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Speaker 1: the people who orbited him tried to survive by pretending
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Speaker 1: they remembered nothing. Now the survivors, they never had that choice.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't forget, no matter how much they wanted to,
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Speaker 1: their scars were permanent, their testimony unwavering. Every time another
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Speaker 1: elite denied knowing Epstein, it wasn't just a dodge. It
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Speaker 1: was a slap in the face to those who had
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Speaker 1: been silenced for years. It said your truth doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: as long as ours is cleaner. What this mass amnesia
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Speaker 1: revealed was not innocence but guilt. You don't run from
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Speaker 1: a stranger. You don't lie about a random acquaintance. You
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Speaker 1: don't erase someone from your past unless their presence is damning.
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Speaker 1: And as we all know, exposure is the one thing
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Speaker 1: that they can't afford. The names on the logs, the
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Speaker 1: faces on the photographs, the signatures on the checks. Those
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Speaker 1: are the ghosts that can't be exercised with denial.
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Speaker 2: They linger. They haunt.
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Speaker 1: They remind us that forgetting is a privilege of the
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Speaker 1: powerful and not the reality of the powerless. And yo,
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Speaker 1: history is not going to be as forgiving to the media.
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Speaker 1: The survivors won't let the narrative vanish. The receipts are
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Speaker 1: out there, the names are etched in. No amount of
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Speaker 1: I barely knew them can wash away decades of association.
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Speaker 1: The stench of it lingers, and every denial only makes
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Speaker 1: it more pungent. In the end, the amnesia was never convincing.
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Speaker 1: It was a performance staged for the cameras, scripted for survival,
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Speaker 1: But the audience isn't full forever. The curtain always falls.
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Speaker 1: And when it does, the actors are revealed for what
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Speaker 1: they are. Not forgetful, but complicit. Because the truth is
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Speaker 1: brutal and unflinching. They remembered everything. They just gambled that
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Speaker 1: the rest of us wouldn't. And that more than anything
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Speaker 1: is the story of Epstein's shadow. A legacy, not of
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Speaker 1: one man's crimes, but of an entire class willing to
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Speaker 1: lie about memory itself to save their own skins. And
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Speaker 1: the strangest part of this collective amnesia act is that
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even subtle. It was clumsy, half-hearted, and insulting
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Speaker 1: to anyone with the ability to connect the dots. They
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Speaker 1: all spoke as if Epstein existed in a vacuum. Just
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Speaker 1: some oddball financier who floated through parties like smoke, leaving
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Speaker 1: behind no impact, no shared dealings, no friendships. But the
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Speaker 1: record shows otherwise. Their ties weren't incidental, they were embedded.
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Speaker 1: His Rolodex wasn't a guest list. It was an ecosystem
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Speaker 1: of power. And when he fell, they all scrambled to
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Speaker 1: detach themselves from the very system they had willingly joined.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for episode one.
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Speaker 1: In the next episode, we're going to pick up where
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Speaker 1: we left off. All of the information that goes with
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Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box.
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Speaker 2: What's up, everyone?
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Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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Speaker 1: this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's friends, and their memory problems. Now, what people
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Speaker 1: underestimate is how much of that forgetting was rehearsed long
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Speaker 1: before the scandal exploded. These people live in crisis mode.
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Speaker 1: They know how to pivot when scandal hits, how to
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Speaker 1: lay down a script that could withstand scrutiny. The line
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Speaker 1: between truth and a lie already been blurred in their lives.
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Speaker 1: Epstein was just another variable in the game. And when
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Speaker 1: the game turned against them, they did what they always do,
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Speaker 1: edited themselves out of the story. But editing doesn't erase it.
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Speaker 1: Every photograph, every flight record, every witness is a nail
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Speaker 1: in the coffin of their credibility. You cannot sit on
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Speaker 1: a private jet half a dozen times and then say
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Speaker 1: you never knew the pilot. You don't take money funneled
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Speaker 1: into your institution and then swear you didn't know where
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Speaker 1: it came from. And the more they insisted on forgetting,
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Speaker 1: the more obvious it became that remembering would have just
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Speaker 1: been too damning. And there's certainly a cruelty in that
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Speaker 1: forgetting too. Because it wasn't just an attempt to save themselves,
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Speaker 1: it was a willingness to erase the reality of the survivors.
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Speaker 1: If they could forget, then the survivors must be exaggerating,
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Speaker 1: must be mistaken, they must be inventing things. That was
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Speaker 1: the quiet subtext in their denials. Memory is unreliable unless
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Speaker 1: it's theirs. It turned the most powerful into both judge
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Speaker 1: and jury of their own innocence. And yet, the truth
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Speaker 1: is stubborn. People talk, staffers gossip, records leak. Connections emerge.
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Speaker 1: No matter how thick the fog of denial, the bones
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Speaker 1: of the story stick out. Epstein didn't just surround himself
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Speaker 1: with nobodies. He sought the validation of somebodies. People who
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Speaker 1: could insulate him, grant him legitimacy. And he got it.
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Speaker 1: From politicians, royals, academics, bankers, and others. You don't buy
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Speaker 1: that kind of access with reciprocity. They gave him cover.
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Speaker 1: He gave them introductions. Everybody got something out of it
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Speaker 1: until the music stopped. The calculated amnesia also revealed just
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Speaker 1: how performative their morality really is. These same people will
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Speaker 1: get on stage and lecture the world about ethics, philanthropy,
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Speaker 1: or justice. They'll pen op-eds about accountability. They'll start foundations
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Speaker 1: that preach transparency. And yet when Epstein's name came up,
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Speaker 1: they clammed up like mobsters taking the fifth. And that
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Speaker 1: disconnect is straight up gross. The louder they preach, the
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Speaker 1: faster they run when reality catches up. And it's not
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Speaker 1: just that they were naive. Being naive is a luxury
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Speaker 1: reserved for the powerless. These are individuals who have entire
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Speaker 1: staffs dedicated to vetting their company who spend fortunes ensuring
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Speaker 1: no one near them poses reputational risk. They knew exactly
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Speaker 1: who Epstein was. His 2008 conviction was not some secret
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Speaker 1: file hidden in the archives. It was a public record
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Speaker 1: splashed across newspapers. To pretend otherwise is a lie that
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Speaker 1: insults every thinking person alive. And one of the most
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Speaker 1: damning parts of this amnesia is that it wasn't universal.
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Speaker 1: Behind closed doors, oh, they remember perfectly well. You don't
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Speaker 1: erase a man like Epstein from your memory when you've
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Speaker 1: shared planes, properties, and money. The forgetting only happened in
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Speaker 1: front of cameras when microphones were hot. Off the record,
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Speaker 1: the truth remained intact. Everyone remembered and everyone knew, which
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Speaker 1: means their public denials weren't just cowardly. They were deliberate
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Speaker 1: acts of deception. And that's why this isn't about just
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Speaker 1: one man. Epstein's death didn't end the story. It revealed
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Speaker 1: how wide the rot had spread. The amnesia proved that
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Speaker 1: he wasn't some lone predator operating in the shadows. He
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Speaker 1: was embraced, legitimized, and rewarded by the very elites who
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Speaker 1: later swore they had no memory of him. And now,
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Speaker 1: the cover-up isn't about hiding what he did. It's about
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Speaker 1: hiding what they allowed. And the media, well, they played
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Speaker 1: their role perfectly. Instead of hammering the inconsistencies, many outlets
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Speaker 1: simply printed the excuses, fed them through the news cycle,
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Speaker 1: and moved on. The failure wasn't just in halls of power,
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Speaker 1: but in the watchdogs who barked quietly and then went
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Speaker 1: back to sleep. That's how the amnesia became the reality,
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Speaker 1: not because it's convincing, but because it went unchallenged. The
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Speaker 1: collective forgetting also exposed how fragile the reputations of the
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Speaker 1: powerful really are. If they were confident in their innocence,
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Speaker 1: they'd confront the truth head-on. Instead, they ducked, dodged, and dissembled.
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Speaker 1: That flinching tells you everything. They knew there was no
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Speaker 1: way to explain their proximity without admitting the obvious. That
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Speaker 1: they saw the red flags and chose to look away.
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Speaker 1: And isn't that the heart of it? Forgetting wasn't about
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Speaker 1: memory at all. It was about choice. They chose to forget.
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Speaker 1: They chose to rewrite their history. They chose to erase
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Speaker 1: Epstein from their narratives because they knew leaving him in
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Speaker 1: would implicate them. The forgetting was selective, targeted, weaponized. Even worse,
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Speaker 1: it normalized the cowardice. Once the first denials hit the press,
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Speaker 1: everyone else followed suit. No one wanted to be the
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Speaker 1: outlier who admitted too much. No one wanted to risk
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Speaker 1: being the one who remembered when everyone else forgot. The
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Speaker 1: herd mentality took over and the lie became the standard.
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Speaker 1: Forgetting became the price of survival. But survival at what cost?
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Speaker 1: The survivors of Epstein's abuse, they don't forget, they don't
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Speaker 1: get to. Every denial, every distancing statement is a reminder
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Speaker 1: that their pain can be minimized, their truth can be dismissed,
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Speaker 1: their reality can be overwritten by those with more power.
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Speaker 1: And that amnesia is not just selfish, it's cruel, because
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Speaker 1: it reopens wounds under the guise of moving on. One
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Speaker 1: thing that they didn't count on was the permanence of
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Speaker 1: the evidence. This is in the 50s, when rumors could
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Speaker 1: be buried in private clubs. We live in an era
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Speaker 1: of archives, screenshots, and databases. Flight logs don't vanish. Photographs
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Speaker 1: don't evaporate. Digital records don't conveniently lose themselves. The Amnesia
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Speaker 1: Act might work in headlines, but history has a longer
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Speaker 1: memory than any of them. And knowing Epstein... He probably
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Speaker 1: anticipated this kind of betrayal. He kept files, tapes, and
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Speaker 1: names because he knew the same people who toasted him
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Speaker 1: would one day claim they never knew him. His memory
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Speaker 1: was insurance policy. He trusted no one's loyalty and the
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Speaker 1: amnesia of his so-called friends after his death proved him right.
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Speaker 1: But that betrayal cuts both ways. These elites spent years
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Speaker 1: siphoning whatever they could from Epstein, his money, his access,
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Speaker 1: his introductions, and then discarded him like garbage the moment
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Speaker 1: he became radioactive. It shows you how transactional their relationships
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Speaker 1: truly are. Epstein was never a friend. In their world,
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Speaker 1: nobody is. Everybody's just a tool, and when the tool breaks,
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Speaker 1: you throw it away. But the stain remains, and the
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Speaker 1: amnesia can't bleach it out. The act of forgetting, in
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Speaker 1: the end, was never really about Epstein at all. It
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Speaker 1: was about the architecture of power that surrounded him, his friends,
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Speaker 1: his enablers, his beneficiaries, what they all feared was an
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Speaker 1: exposure of what he did, but what they allowed. To
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Speaker 1: acknowledge their closeness would be to admit they gave cover
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Speaker 1: to a predator, knowingly or otherwise, and that admission would
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Speaker 1: shatter the image they've built for decades. So they reached
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Speaker 1: for amnesia, the safest card in a rigged deck, and
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Speaker 1: played it with robotic precision. But that amnesia is fragile.
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Speaker 1: It only works if everyone agrees to respect the lie.
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Speaker 1: The survivors don't, the public certainly doesn't, and the records don't.
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Speaker 1: Every time a new document leaks, every time a photograph emerges,
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Speaker 1: every time testimony is read onto the record, the cracks
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Speaker 1: in the wall of denial grow wider. And what we
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Speaker 1: see through those cracks isn't just Epstein's shadow, it's the
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Speaker 1: outline of the people who stood beside him, smiling, laughing, benefiting.
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Speaker 1: Their faces are etched into the story, whether they like
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Speaker 1: it or not. And the refusal to remember tells us
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Speaker 1: something crucial. It reveals cowardice at the very top. These
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Speaker 1: are the people who pride themselves on their leadership, their courage,
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Speaker 1: their vision. But when it mattered most, when the world
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Speaker 1: asked them to speak up and speak plainly about their
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Speaker 1: roles in this sordid tale, they choked. They retreated into evasions,
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Speaker 1: crafted statements, hollow regrets. They showed us that when accountability knocks...
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Speaker 1: Their instinct is not to face it, but to hide
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Speaker 1: behind silence. And what they were really hoping for was time.
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Speaker 1: If they could feign forgetfulness long enough, they could outlast
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Speaker 1: the story. The headlines would fade. The outrage would subside.
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Speaker 1: The public would move on to the next scandal. It
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Speaker 1: was a bet on fatigue that people tire of remembering
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Speaker 1: and therefore the powerful can erase by simply waiting us out.
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Speaker 1: And for too long, that strategy seemed to work. But
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Speaker 1: history has a way of resurfacing what power wants to bury.
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Speaker 1: The receipts outlive the actors. The victims outlive the denials.
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Speaker 1: The stain outlives the public relations strategy. That's the nature
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Speaker 1: of truth.
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Speaker 2: It's patient. It waits.
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Speaker 1: It corrodes the facade until what remains is undeniable. Forgetting
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Speaker 1: is temporary. Memory, when written into the record, is eternal.
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Speaker 1: And in trying to distance themselves, they've tethered themselves to
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Speaker 1: Epstein even more tightly. The louder the denial, the more
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Speaker 1: attention it draws. The sharper the amnesia, the more people
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Speaker 1: look for what's missing. In erasing him from their memories,
20:51
Speaker 1: they've burned his silhouette into their own reputations. Epstein is
20:55
Speaker 1: now the negative space around their names, the ghost that
20:58
Speaker 1: appears whenever their legacy is mentioned. And that ghost will
21:02
Speaker 1: not fade. It follows President's Billionaires, royals, professors, bankers, haunting
21:08
Speaker 1: their memoirs, their foundations, their awards. It whispers every time
21:13
Speaker 1: they step onto a stage, every time they're asked about morality, justice,
21:17
Speaker 1: or accountability. No matter how they frame their achievements, the
21:20
Speaker 1: shadow lingers. Forgetting was supposed to cleanse them. Instead, it
21:25
Speaker 1: branded them. And the survivors' voices are the antidote to
21:29
Speaker 1: their amnesia. They remember, in painful, unflinching detail, and by
21:34
Speaker 1: speaking they force the world to remember too. Their testimony
21:38
Speaker 1: strips away the luxury of forgetting. It reminds us that
21:42
Speaker 1: while powerful people were busy rewriting history, others were living
21:45
Speaker 1: with scars that can't be erased. The contrast between selective
21:50
Speaker 1: forgetting and involuntary remembering goes directly to the heart of
21:54
Speaker 1: the moral bankruptcy of the Amnesia Act. And look, we
21:58
Speaker 1: have to call it what it is, a cover-up by omission.
22:02
Speaker 1: A coordinated, class-wide erasure designed not to clarify but to muddy.
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Speaker 1: And once you recognize the pattern, you see it everywhere.
22:10
Speaker 1: The same people who forgot Epstein are the same ones
22:12
Speaker 1: who forget every scandal that threatens them. Memory is weaponized
22:17
Speaker 1: when it serves them, discarded when it doesn't. And so
22:21
Speaker 1: for me, the question isn't whether they remembered Epstein. Of
22:24
Speaker 1: course they did. The question is what it says about
22:27
Speaker 1: them that they choose not to.
22:30
Speaker 2: What does it reveal about their character, their priorities, their values?
22:34
Speaker 1: And the answer is clear. Power, reputation, and self-preservation matter
22:39
Speaker 1: more than truth, more than justice, and certainly more than
22:42
Speaker 1: the dignity of the survivors. Their silence and denials also
22:48
Speaker 1: speaks to a deeper sickness, the inability of institutions to
22:51
Speaker 1: hold the powerful to account. We saw banks settle lawsuits
22:54
Speaker 1: without admitting wrongdoing. We saw universities return tainted donations quietly.
22:59
Speaker 1: hoping the gesture would erase the shame. We saw government
23:03
Speaker 1: shrug at obvious conflicts because digging deeper would mean implicating themselves.
23:08
Speaker 1: The amnesia wasn't just personal, it was policy. And yet
23:13
Speaker 1: that very refusal has become testimony of its own. The
23:17
Speaker 1: erasures are evidence, the denials are confessions. When you line
23:22
Speaker 1: up the evasion side by side, the picture that emerges
23:25
Speaker 1: is sharper than any photograph. A class of people bound
23:28
Speaker 1: not by innocence, but by complicity. They weren't all abusers,
23:32
Speaker 1: but they were all protectors, willing or unwilling of the
23:36
Speaker 1: system that shielded Epstein. And this is why the story
23:40
Speaker 1: never really ends. Every few months another name surfaces, another
23:44
Speaker 1: file is unsealed, another lawsuit exposes connections long buried. And
23:49
Speaker 1: each time the same tired script is replayed. Regret, denial, forgetting.
23:54
Speaker 1: It's as predictable as it is hollow, but predictability doesn't
23:58
Speaker 1: make it convincing, it makes it transparent. By now, no
24:02
Speaker 1: one believes the amnesia act, it's too obvious, too contrived.
24:06
Speaker 1: The more they insist, the more they look guilty, and
24:09
Speaker 1: in that sense their strategy has backfired. They avoided accountability
24:13
Speaker 1: in the short term, but they've permanently branded themselves as liars,
24:16
Speaker 1: and history is far less forgiving than any press release.
24:21
Speaker 1: The truth is, Stripped of all the spin is that
24:23
Speaker 1: Epstein's shadow revealed the character of those around him. Some
24:27
Speaker 1: remembered and spoke, others remembered and lied, and those lies
24:31
Speaker 1: will define them far more than any achievement they try
24:34
Speaker 1: to salvage. Legacy isn't built on forgetting, it's built on
24:38
Speaker 1: what you refuse to ignore. So when we talk about Epstein,
24:42
Speaker 1: we're not just talking about one man's crimes, we're talking
24:45
Speaker 1: about an entire class that tried to pretend it never happened.
24:48
Speaker 1: That their dinners, their flights, their donations, their laughters were
24:52
Speaker 1: figments of imagination. We're talking about the arrogance of thinking
24:57
Speaker 1: memory itself can be controlled. In the end, the forgetting
25:01
Speaker 1: has become its own indictment. It's proof of the rot.
25:04
Speaker 1: It's proof of the cowardice. It's proof of the culture
25:07
Speaker 1: that allowed a predator to thrive and then tried to
25:09
Speaker 1: vanish him from the collective memory once his usefulness was over.
25:13
Speaker 1: That forgetting doesn't absolve them. It fucking convicts them. and
25:17
Speaker 1: the verdict is clear. They remembered all along. They just
25:21
Speaker 1: gambled that we wouldn't. That gamble may have bought them time,
25:25
Speaker 1: but it cost them everything else. Their credibility, their reputations,
25:29
Speaker 1: their legacies. Because history will not forget what they chose
25:33
Speaker 1: to erase. Not just the abuse, not just the enablers,
25:37
Speaker 1: but the orchestrated amnesia that followed. A lie so bold,
25:42
Speaker 1: so transparent, it turned survival into confession. A denial so hollow,
25:47
Speaker 1: It became the truest thing that they ever said. All
25:51
Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
25:54
Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome
25:58
Speaker 1: back to the program. So Jamie Dimon, in his deposition,
26:03
Speaker 1: had the audacity to say that he had no idea
26:07
Speaker 1: who Jeffrey Epstein was before his arrest. And we're not
26:10
Speaker 1: talking about the first arrest. We're talking about the second arrest.
26:15
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything as ludicrous as that in the last, oh,
26:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, 14 centuries? And he was asked these
26:22
Speaker 1: questions while he was under oath. And now, Jess Daly,
26:26
Speaker 1: he's going to sit down for a deposition on June 10th,
26:29
Speaker 1: and he's going to be asked the same questions. So
26:32
Speaker 1: somebody has to be lying, right? And if they lie
26:35
Speaker 1: under oath, isn't that a criminal penalty? Shouldn't one of
26:38
Speaker 1: them get charged with perjury if they're caught lying? Now,
26:42
Speaker 1: I doubt they will, but boy, wouldn't it be nice
26:45
Speaker 1: for some equal justice that they always talk about? You know,
26:49
Speaker 1: whenever they're running their fat yaps about the protection of this,
26:53
Speaker 1: the protection of that, and equal justice for all. Well,
26:56
Speaker 1: how about some equal justice for those at the very
27:00
Speaker 1: top of the levers of power.
27:02
Speaker 2: Because if you.
27:03
Speaker 1: Or I even lie to an FBI agent, we can
27:06
Speaker 1: get in big trouble for that. But these guys can
27:08
Speaker 1: sit down for depositions, tell absolutely different stories, and nobody's
27:14
Speaker 1: going to end up in any kind of criminal jeopardy.
27:17
Speaker 1: Because under normal circumstances, that's the penalty for telling lies
27:21
Speaker 1: when you sit down for a deposition. And in this episode,
27:24
Speaker 1: that's what we're going to talk about a little bit more.
27:27
Speaker 1: The Jamie Dimon deposition. and some of the things that
27:30
Speaker 1: he said during that deposition. This article was published by
27:35
Speaker 1: The Guardian. Headline, JP Morgan, CEO Jamie Dimon, says that
27:41
Speaker 1: he never heard of Epstein before the arrest. Oh yeah,
27:45
Speaker 1: nobody ever heard of him before the arrest, Jamie Dimon.
27:48
Speaker 2: Mr.
27:49
Speaker 1: I never watched the news, huh? The head of the
27:51
Speaker 1: biggest bank in the United States of America, one of
27:54
Speaker 1: the richest, most powerful men in the country, had no
27:57
Speaker 1: idea that about one of the biggest clients at your bank,
28:01
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was a sexual predator. That's
28:04
Speaker 1: what you want us to believe. And just like everybody
28:07
Speaker 1: else before him, he makes pretend he has amnesia whenever
28:11
Speaker 1: this topic is brought up. Oh, I don't recall. I'm
28:14
Speaker 1: not too sure. I don't remember that conversation. You know,
28:18
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Never anything definitive, right? Very sly
28:23
Speaker 1: with his words, and a man that was prepared to
28:26
Speaker 1: sit for this deposition. I'm sure he sat down with
28:28
Speaker 1: the JPMorgan Chase lawyers way in advance of this and
28:32
Speaker 1: had a preparation session where they peppered him with all
28:35
Speaker 1: kinds of questions in preparation for this. So Jamie Dimon
28:40
Speaker 1: certainly had his narrative tightened up and ready to go.
28:43
Speaker 1: And if it was only Jamie Dimon giving this deposition,
28:46
Speaker 1: then I'd say that he's home free. But. There's a
28:50
Speaker 1: little wrinkle here, and that wrinkle is just daily giving
28:53
Speaker 1: us a completely different story about not only what J.P.
28:57
Speaker 1: Morgan was to Jeffrey Epstein, but the fact that Jamie
29:01
Speaker 1: Dimon also knew about Jeffrey Epstein and Epstein's behavior. So
29:05
Speaker 1: both narratives can't be true, and that means one of
29:08
Speaker 1: them is going to be lying under oath. This article
29:12
Speaker 1: was authored by Edward Hellmore. JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon
29:18
Speaker 1: has said in a court deposition that he did not
29:21
Speaker 1: recall ever hearing about convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein or
29:26
Speaker 1: his sexual abuse crimes against teenage girls until the financier
29:30
Speaker 1: pedophile was arrested in 2019, countering claims that the bank
29:36
Speaker 1: ignored signs of malfeasance, including Epstein's larceny. monthly cash withdrawals.
29:42
Speaker 1: So how do you account for the emails? How does
29:45
Speaker 1: Jamie Dimon account for all of those emails that were
29:48
Speaker 1: getting fired back and forth between the executives? Oh, everybody
29:52
Speaker 1: knew but you, huh? The whole entire company went rogue.
29:56
Speaker 1: This guy's an absolute joke. And the more I hear
29:59
Speaker 1: from Jamie Dimon, the more I dislike him. Just another
30:02
Speaker 1: smug scumbag that never takes self-responsibility for anything. In transcripts
30:08
Speaker 1: of the deposition obtained by the Guardian, Diamond was asked
30:12
Speaker 1: if he had ever heard the name Jeffrey Epstein before
30:15
Speaker 1: the arrest. Diamond responded, not that I recall. Listen to
30:19
Speaker 1: the words he uses. Not that I recall. How do
30:22
Speaker 1: you challenge that? He's being evasive, but you can't prove
30:25
Speaker 1: that he's lying one way or the other unless you
30:28
Speaker 1: have the receipts to back it up. And so far,
30:32
Speaker 1: we haven't seen any emails with Jamie Dimon's direct name
30:36
Speaker 1: on them, but we do have the direct account from
30:39
Speaker 1: Jess Daly. And I'm guessing there are other people that
30:42
Speaker 1: were working for the company at the time that have
30:45
Speaker 1: some knowledge of what was going down. So hopefully the
30:48
Speaker 1: investigators are talking to them as well. He said the
30:52
Speaker 1: first time that he heard about Epstein was when the
30:55
Speaker 1: story blew wide open. He was arrested and all the
30:58
Speaker 1: stories came out about all the people he knows. And
31:02
Speaker 1: the reason I remember that is I was surprised that
31:05
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it before. So let me get
31:07
Speaker 1: this straight. The head of the biggest bank in America
31:10
Speaker 1: who was doing business with this man, who was under
31:13
Speaker 1: all kinds of investigation, went to jail, went to prison,
31:17
Speaker 1: got out, and was notorious for what he did. You
31:22
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that that guy, Jamie Dimon, had
31:25
Speaker 1: no idea what was going on?
31:28
Speaker 2: Where does he live?
31:30
Speaker 1: In a cave in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban?
31:34
Speaker 1: And the frustrating part is, how do you prove that wrong? Again,
31:37
Speaker 1: unless you have the receipts or eyewitnesses coming forward and
31:41
Speaker 1: saying they were having conversations with him about Jeffrey Epstein,
31:45
Speaker 1: then it's very difficult to prove what somebody remembers or
31:48
Speaker 1: they don't remember. The testimony given during a deposition recorded
31:53
Speaker 1: last week in New York as part of the claim
31:56
Speaker 1: by Epstein victims and by the U.S. Virgin Islands that J.P.
32:00
Speaker 1: Morgan is financially liable for Epstein's abuse of girls and
32:05
Speaker 1: women because it continued to do business with him for
32:08
Speaker 1: at least six years after he was first charged with
32:11
Speaker 1: sex crimes in Florida. And not just that, it wasn't
32:14
Speaker 1: that they were just his bank, you know, his local branch.
32:17
Speaker 1: They were intimately involved with the guy. Going to his house,
32:21
Speaker 1: dunking their nuts in his jacuzzi, having some quote-unquote sex
32:25
Speaker 1: white wine, you know, all of that. And these fools
32:29
Speaker 1: over at J.P. Morgan might be using some revisionist history,
32:33
Speaker 1: but let's not forget who Jess Daly was working for
32:36
Speaker 1: when all of this was happening. If you go and
32:39
Speaker 1: do something stupid while you're working for a company, you're
32:42
Speaker 1: going to know about it. But Jess Daly, well, he
32:44
Speaker 1: can go have sleepovers at a sex offender's house, and
32:47
Speaker 1: his boss, Jamie Dimon, has no idea what's going on.
32:51
Speaker 2: J.P.
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Speaker 1: Morgan denies these claims, and has sued Jess Daly, a
32:55
Speaker 1: former senior executive at the bank and later Barclays CEO,
32:59
Speaker 1: saying he hid Epstein's crimes to keep Epstein as a client.
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Speaker 1: JP Morgan has also filed a counterclaim against the U.S.
33:07
Speaker 1: Virgin Islands government, claiming that the sex trafficker maintained a
33:11
Speaker 1: quid pro quo relationship with some of the territory's highest
33:15
Speaker 1: officials over two decades.
33:18
Speaker 2: Those aren't claims. That's fact. That's all documented fact. And
33:22
Speaker 2: the U.S.
33:23
Speaker 1: Virgin Islands has done un gots about it. But somehow,
33:27
Speaker 1: they're packing away $ 105 million. You know how much money
33:31
Speaker 1: that is? How many lives could have that changed amongst
33:35
Speaker 1: these survivors? How about that money going to people who
33:39
Speaker 1: were actually abused by Jeffrey Epstein? I know, novel idea,
33:43
Speaker 1: but wouldn't that be nice? So when you add up
33:46
Speaker 1: the fact that the U.S. government already took the lion's
33:49
Speaker 1: share of the fund because of, you know, taxes. And
33:53
Speaker 1: then you add on top of it the little bit
33:56
Speaker 1: of sprinkle action here that the U.S. Virgin Islands government
33:59
Speaker 1: got on top of it. And like usual, guess who's
34:02
Speaker 1: walking away with a fat ass pocket?
34:05
Speaker 2: That's right, folks.
34:06
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam. And the grossest part about that for me
34:09
Speaker 1: is not only the government of the U.S. Virgin Islands,
34:12
Speaker 1: but the negligence shown by the U.S. government itself. So
34:17
Speaker 1: that money that they took in taxes, enjoy it while
34:19
Speaker 1: it lasts, because I'm guessing that eventually there's going to
34:22
Speaker 1: be a lawsuit against the FBI the same way there
34:25
Speaker 1: was with Larry Nassar. And once that happens, we're looking
34:29
Speaker 1: at another easy $ 500 million payout. So that's another thing
34:34
Speaker 1: that the American taxpayer is going to be on the
34:36
Speaker 1: hook for because of the incompetence that we see in
34:39
Speaker 1: these agencies. Those claims center on Cecile de Jong, wife
34:44
Speaker 1: of former U.S. Virgin Islands Governor John de Jong, who J.P.
34:48
Speaker 1: Morgan says facilitated Epstein's abuse of women and girls by
34:53
Speaker 1: helping him influence local politicians, dodge the territory's sex offender law,
34:58
Speaker 1: and obtain work and visas for his victims. Imagine that.
35:03
Speaker 1: Must be nice to be the man, huh? Show up
35:06
Speaker 1: down there in the U.S. Virgin Islands, throwing your money around,
35:10
Speaker 1: Even though you're a sex predator, no big deal, as
35:13
Speaker 1: long as you're going to stuff someone's pocket with a
35:15
Speaker 1: few bucks. In the 416-page deposition, Diamond said that an
35:20
Speaker 1: email from Epstein's office that suggested he was scheduled to
35:24
Speaker 1: meet with Epstein and Staley at Epstein's townhouse was inaccurate.
35:29
Speaker 1: I have never had an appointment with Jeff Epstein. I've
35:33
Speaker 1: never met Jeff Epstein. I never knew Jeff Epstein. I
35:37
Speaker 1: never went to Epstein's house. I never had a meal
35:40
Speaker 1: with him. I have no idea what they're referring to here,
35:43
Speaker 1: Diamond said. I don't think Jeff ever arranged for me
35:46
Speaker 1: to meet with anybody, to my knowledge, he added. I
35:49
Speaker 1: don't think, to my knowledge. Always giving himself away to
35:52
Speaker 1: weasel out. And this is what happens when you're coached
35:55
Speaker 1: up and your lawyers sit down with you and they
35:58
Speaker 1: start earning that $ 2, 000 an hour that JPMorgan Chase is
36:02
Speaker 1: paying them. But Diamond said he regretted that the bank,
36:06
Speaker 1: now the world's largest in terms of assets, had continued
36:09
Speaker 1: to do business with Epstein. After he pleaded guilty to
36:12
Speaker 1: the crime, he pleaded guilty to, he, we, unfortunately, continued
36:17
Speaker 1: to bank with him. Yes, Diamond said, according to the deposition.
36:21
Speaker 1: Diamond painted a picture in which senior executives at the
36:24
Speaker 1: bank had not discussed one of the bank's most problematic
36:28
Speaker 1: clients and suggested that responsibility was For exiting Epstein lay
36:33
Speaker 1: with the bank's general counsel, Steve Cutler. Cutler had warned
36:37
Speaker 1: in a 2011 email that Epstein is not an honorable
36:41
Speaker 1: person in any way. He should not be a client.
36:45
Speaker 1: JP Morgan's asset management chief, Mary Erdos, said in an
36:49
Speaker 1: earlier deposition that she had only met Epstein twice. The
36:53
Speaker 1: second of those was to dismiss him after Staley had
36:56
Speaker 1: left the bank. Diamond also said he thought Cutler was
37:00
Speaker 1: And Erdos were trying to do the right thing. Oh yeah,
37:03
Speaker 1: of course they were. Everyone was doing the right thing
37:06
Speaker 1: but Jeff Staley. He was the one bad apple in
37:09
Speaker 1: the bunch. The rest of us over here at J.P. Morgan, well,
37:12
Speaker 1: you know, we're all great people. And we'd never ever
37:15
Speaker 1: do business with undesirable pieces of shit. I mean, the
37:18
Speaker 1: financial sector historically has never done that, right?
37:21
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
37:24
Speaker 1: Staley's deposition has not been taken by plaintiffs in the case,
37:28
Speaker 1: but could come as soon as next week. He has
37:31
Speaker 1: claimed in legal papers that he spoke with Diamond about
37:34
Speaker 1: keeping Epstein as a client. So this is where it's
37:37
Speaker 1: going to get messy for all these parties involved. They're
37:41
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out who's lying here. Is
37:44
Speaker 1: Jeff Staley telling the truth? Is Jamie Diamond fabricating history
37:49
Speaker 1: so that JP Morgan comes out of this looking bad,
37:52
Speaker 1: but not absolutely terrible? Probably a little bit of both,
37:56
Speaker 1: but I have a hard time believing that Jeff Staley
37:59
Speaker 1: and Jamie Dimon never sat down for a conversation about
38:03
Speaker 1: one of their biggest clients and a guy with a
38:05
Speaker 1: checkered past. You would think that that would be something
38:08
Speaker 1: that Dimon would be interested in. Dimon was asked that
38:12
Speaker 1: if he had known in 2010 that Epstein was a
38:15
Speaker 1: sex trafficker and client of the bank, withdrawing large amounts
38:18
Speaker 1: of cash each month, Between 1998 and 2013, would he
38:24
Speaker 1: and General Counsel have acted to drop Epstein? I think
38:27
Speaker 1: everyone involved, had they known then what is known today,
38:31
Speaker 1: including me, would have taken that position, he said. Well,
38:35
Speaker 1: Jeff Staley knew. And who else knew? How many of
38:38
Speaker 1: these other bankers thought it was funny? What, they never
38:41
Speaker 1: sat around and talked about what they did over at
38:43
Speaker 1: Jeffy's house? Give me a break already. In one exchange,
38:48
Speaker 1: Diamond was asked if he knew about a transfer of
38:50
Speaker 1: funds from Epstein's account to Ghislaine Maxwell, who also banked
38:55
Speaker 1: with JP Morgan, and those funds were used to purchase
38:58
Speaker 1: a helicopter to transport girls to his private island. Diamond responded,
39:03
Speaker 1: I didn't know then, and I don't really know now.
39:06
Speaker 2: Of course you don't.
39:06
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. Richest man in the world, most
39:09
Speaker 1: powerful man in banking, but he doesn't know shit. In
39:13
Speaker 1: response to Diamond's deposition, Brad Edwards, lawyer for the unnamed
39:17
Speaker 1: victim or Jane Doe in the USVI suit, said it
39:21
Speaker 1: had become clear that Epstein could not have run his
39:24
Speaker 1: sex trafficking operation without the help of J.P.
39:27
Speaker 2: Morgan.
39:28
Speaker 1: Conveniently, each banker points a finger at the other, claiming
39:32
Speaker 1: the hot potato was someone else's fault. Regardless how unbelievable
39:36
Speaker 1: the finger-pointing or purported lack of knowledge is, responsibility rests
39:41
Speaker 1: with the bank, 100%. At the end of the day,
39:44
Speaker 1: all of these people were employed by the bank. So
39:47
Speaker 1: the bank holds responsibility for what went on. Doesn't seem
39:51
Speaker 1: like it's that difficult. But when you're dealing with people
39:54
Speaker 1: like JP Morgan, Jamie Dimon, Jess Daly, and the bags
39:58
Speaker 1: of money that they're throwing around, everything becomes difficult. All
40:02
Speaker 1: the waters get muddy. So all you can do is
40:06
Speaker 1: continue to swim through those muddy waters looking for clarity.
40:10
Speaker 1: And that's what we'll continue to do each and every
40:13
Speaker 1: day here on the podcast. All right, folks, that's going
40:16
Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
40:18
Speaker 1: that goes with the episode can be found in the
40:21
Speaker 1: description box.
40:22
Speaker 2: You're doing business in an app-driven... Everyone.
40:25
Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Les Wexner, since
40:31
Speaker 1: the very beginning of Jeffrey Epstein being outed, has done
40:36
Speaker 1: nothing but try and distance himself from Jeffrey Epstein. Well,
40:40
Speaker 1: that's a little difficult... When you are as tied to
40:43
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein as Les Wexner is. And it's pretty funny
40:47
Speaker 1: that he has never really had to answer any real
40:50
Speaker 1: questions about this relationship. At least not from law enforcement.
40:54
Speaker 1: Oh sure, some journalists have asked some questions. Some people
40:57
Speaker 1: have asked some questions. But he hasn't really had to
41:02
Speaker 1: face the brunt of a real investigation, has he? The
41:06
Speaker 1: way you or I would have anyway. Imagine somebody had
41:09
Speaker 1: the allegations against you. that Wexner has against him. Do
41:15
Speaker 1: you really think the police and the local authorities would
41:19
Speaker 1: just be sitting around on their hands? Or do you
41:21
Speaker 1: think that they'd be pursuing those charges attempting to convict you?
41:29
Speaker 1: It's the two-tier justice system right there in front of
41:32
Speaker 1: your face. I don't care how much money you have.
41:36
Speaker 1: I don't care how much power or influence you have.
41:39
Speaker 1: If you're accused of heinous crimes such as these, like
41:43
Speaker 1: Les Wexner is accused of, let's remember, okay? He's not
41:47
Speaker 1: just accused of enabling Jeffrey Epstein, or financially backstopping him.
41:54
Speaker 1: He's accused of partaking in the abuse himself. And while
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Speaker 1: I find everybody involved with Epstein to be absolutely disgusting,
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Speaker 1: there are certainly levels to this shit. And if you're
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Speaker 1: actually partaking in the abuse.
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Speaker 2: You were a part of the worst of the worst.
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Speaker 1: And according to Virginia's testimony, Les Wexner certainly was part
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Speaker 1: of that group. So today we have an article from
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Speaker 1: The Observer. And this article was originally posted on 7-19
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Speaker 1: of 2019. So July 19th, 2019. Headline, Les Wexner denies
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Speaker 1: knowledge of Epstein sex trafficking, but no one believes him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the understatement of the year. Who the hell would
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Speaker 1: believe this guy?
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be very clear here.
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Speaker 1: He hasn't given us anything that would make us say
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Speaker 1: to ourselves, you know what? Maybe he's being wrongly accused here.
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Speaker 1: Maybe things aren't what they seem. I am more than
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Speaker 1: willing to consider the evidence from all sides here, because
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all I care about
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Speaker 1: is getting to the truth. But when we talk about
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Speaker 1: guys like Les Wexner and Glenn Dubin and Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: and the rest of the rogues gallery that was hanging
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Speaker 1: out with Jeffrey Epstein. Amid alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's notoriously
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Speaker 1: opaque business dealings, Les Wexner, the CEO of L Brands,
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Speaker 1: the parent company of Victoria's Secret, is his only known
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Speaker 1: client and seemingly a close friend. Now, I think if
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Speaker 1: we look back in hindsight, I think we're safe to
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Speaker 1: say that not only was Les Wexner a client, but
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Speaker 1: Leon Black was a client as well. What other reason
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Speaker 1: would we have for Leon Black giving Jeffrey Epstein $ 158 million?
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Speaker 1: So we always hear about Wexner being his only client,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's really the case. Now,
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Speaker 1: maybe the only client that he had on paper, right,
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Speaker 1: where like the SEC could refer back to that and
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Speaker 1: say this is where Jeffrey Epstein's making his money. You know,
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Speaker 1: like a mafia guy has a no-show job so that
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Speaker 1: it shows come tax time that he's making some money somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Same thing with Epstein here, right? Epstein was the sole
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Speaker 1: manager of Wexner's multi-billion dollar fortune for years. Wexner is
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Speaker 1: also the former owner of Epstein's now-seized New York City mansion.
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Speaker 1: And yet, the fashion billionaire asserts that he had absolutely
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Speaker 1: no knowledge of Epstein's sex trafficking scheme until the police
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Speaker 1: found out.
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Speaker 2: You know, this is so ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just be straight up and on the record,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe a word that Les Wexner is saying.
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Speaker 2: Not a word.
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Speaker 1: I believe the whole entire account from Maria Farmer about
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Speaker 1: what happened down there in New Albany. I believe the
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Speaker 1: Ohio State wrestlers about what happened on the Ohio State campus.
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Speaker 1: And I certainly believe that Wexner's name should be taken
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Speaker 1: off all of those buildings. This is a man who
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Speaker 1: was rolling around with Epstein while Epstein was in his prime,
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Speaker 1: if you will. A man that has allegations hanging over
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Speaker 1: his own head. And how is he going to have
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Speaker 1: the audacity to tell anybody he has no idea about
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Speaker 1: what happened here? or about who Jeffrey Epstein was. On Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: after weeks of silence following Epstein's arrest, earlier this month,
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Speaker 1: Wexner wrote in an email to his employees, When Mr.
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Speaker 1: Epstein was my personal money manager, he was involved in
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Speaker 1: many aspects of my financial life. But let me assure
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Speaker 1: you that I was never aware of the illegal activity
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Speaker 1: charged in the indictment. So, because you're not aware, and
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Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes here, you're not guilty? I wonder
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Speaker 1: how that would stand up in a court of law.
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Speaker 1: Ignorance of the law means you're not guilty of breaking it? Hmm.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that that defense is going to work out
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Speaker 2: well for you.
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Speaker 1: He added that he had cut ties with Epstein over
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Speaker 1: a decade ago after his underground sex trafficking web was
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Speaker 1: exposed the first time. I would not have continued to
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Speaker 1: work with any individual capable of such egregious, sickening behavior
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Speaker 1: as has been reported about him. Well, what about Ed
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Speaker 1: Razek at your own company? What about all of the
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Speaker 1: allegations about the toxic work environment that was built from
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Speaker 1: the top up at Victoria's Secret, at Abercrombie & Fitch,
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Speaker 1: at every single company you ran? And then, to act
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Speaker 1: like you have no idea what was going on when
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Speaker 1: you give this dude the keys to the castle, it's
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Speaker 1: on you to know what kind of serpent that you're
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Speaker 1: getting in bed with. You're supposed to be one of
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Speaker 1: the smartest men in the world, right? Isn't that what
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Speaker 1: you always tell us? Oh, I'm so rich, I'm so powerful,
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Speaker 1: I'm so smart. Well, not so smart after all, are you, Mr. Wexner?
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Speaker 1: Perhaps under a PR strategist's savvy guidance, Wexner avoided any
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Speaker 1: explicit mention of what Epstein's crimes actually are, so as
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Speaker 1: to distance himself from any suspicion. It's always a calculated comment, right,
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Speaker 1: from these people. They never give you a visceral comment.
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Speaker 1: It's always something that's prepackaged. you know, some PR company
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Speaker 1: comes up with it for them, and then they wonder
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Speaker 1: why people are looking at them sideways and having all
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Speaker 1: kinds of questions about their disgusting depraved behavior. Epstein has
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Speaker 1: been charged with one count of sex trafficking and one
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Speaker 1: count of conspiracy. However, investigations into Epstein's dark history increasingly
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Speaker 1: reveals that his ties with Wexner go far beyond money
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Speaker 1: managing and real estate dealing. And just from the money
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Speaker 1: angle of it, let's just talk about that for a minute.
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Speaker 1: Let's say that in a different universe, that Wexner is
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Speaker 1: not guilty of anything else but money crimes with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: That should be enough to sink him.
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Speaker 2: How is it that all of these.
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Speaker 1: Uber rich people, these ultra rich people, are able to
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Speaker 1: commit these financial crimes on a regular basis, but if
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Speaker 1: you don't report all of your Etsy earnings to the IRS,
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Speaker 1: you're going to be in big trouble.
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Speaker 2: You don't find a problem with that, folks?
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Speaker 1: I do, and that's why we're here every day talking
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Speaker 1: about how it's not equitable. How there's a two-tier justice
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Speaker 1: system that looks at these people one way, and then
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Speaker 1: they look at us like we're disposable. And I have
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Speaker 1: news for the men of always, okay? And this is
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Speaker 1: a message from all of us, the children of never.
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Speaker 1: We are not disposable. And the rules that are put
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Speaker 1: into place, we all have to follow them. And if not,
48:41
Speaker 1: eventually society breaks down. Just ask the French nobility how
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Speaker 1: things worked out for them when they pushed too far.
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Speaker 1: On Sunday, an Italian model who said she was once
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Speaker 1: almost attacked by Epstein told the New York Post about
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Speaker 1: an audition inside Epstein's New York mansion in 2004. in
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Speaker 1: which the then 51-year-old financier, pedophile, claimed that he could
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Speaker 1: get her a modeling gig at Victoria's Secret if she
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Speaker 1: would perform a massage on his naked body. And we've
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Speaker 1: heard this story how many times? This was his go-to move.
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Speaker 1: You know, like in the show Seinfeld, George Costanza dad
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Speaker 1: had his go-to move in the car where he would
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Speaker 1: stop short and put his arm out so the woman would,
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Speaker 1: you know, fall into his arm. Yeah, this was Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein's go-to move. Oh, come over and give me a massage.
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Speaker 1: And then from there it would progress. He'd dangle the carrot,
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a job, I'll give you more money,
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Speaker 1: whatever it might be. But this was always the scheme
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Speaker 1: in the plot to get these women on property so
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Speaker 1: that he could molest them. Epstein portrayed himself as the
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Speaker 1: backdoor to get a girl into Victoria's Secret. Some of
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Speaker 1: those girls got in. A former New York-based model agent
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Speaker 1: told the Post, Not all the girls sent to him
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Speaker 1: got jobs, but a lot of them did. Look, all
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Speaker 1: it takes is one phone call from Epstein, right? Well, hey,
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Speaker 1: lessee boy, I'm going to need you to hire so-and-so, huh?
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Speaker 1: Why don't you make it happen? Wexner has his assistant
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Speaker 1: do whatever he has him do or have her do.
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Speaker 1: And that's how it all works, right? Nepotism.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it grand?
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Speaker 1: Although Epstein could only promise appearances in Victoria's Secret product
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Speaker 1: catalogs and ad campaigns, not its annual big fashion show,
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Speaker 1: the agent said the offer was attractive enough for new
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Speaker 1: models to take the plunge. And this is how it
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Speaker 1: works in that world, unfortunately. Whenever I see men involved
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Speaker 1: in the modeling world, I just shake my head. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of gross to me, honestly.
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Speaker 2: What are you doing, bro?
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Speaker 1: Why are you trying to be around all these little
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Speaker 1: young girls? And the same goes for people, men, who
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Speaker 1: run these Miss Universe pageants or any sort of pageant
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Speaker 1: in general. You don't have anything better to do with
50:53
Speaker 1: your time? 75 years old billionaire out here oogling at 12, 13,
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Speaker 1: 14 year olds? The Italian model ran away and eventually
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Speaker 1: returned to Italy. But she said the experience changed her
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Speaker 1: life forever. I thought I lived in a hateful world.
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Speaker 1: It was shocking to realize that if I wanted to
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Speaker 1: be a model in America, I was expected to work
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Speaker 1: as a prostitute. And that's how Epstein and his pal
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Speaker 1: Jean-Luc Brunel ran MC Squared. We know about the building
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Speaker 1: over on 66th, had all of the apartments in it,
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Speaker 1: and they'd bring the traffic girls here, telling them they
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Speaker 1: were going to get modeling jobs, and then they'd run them.
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Speaker 2: Out of this building.
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Speaker 1: Epstein's close confidant, you mean co-conspirator, fellow all-around scuzzbag, you know,
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Speaker 1: fellow child abuser, And bipedal serpent? That's what you mean, right?
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly recruited women to the New York House
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Speaker 1: for these auditions. She was also a constant fixture at
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Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret shows, introducing new models to rich men in
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Speaker 1: the audience, according to another agent. Oh, I'm sure she was.
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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have that business moving, right? Gotta
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Speaker 1: bring product to market. And that's the way Maxwell and Epstein, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: looked at human beings. As chattel, as product to bring
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Speaker 1: to market. Elsewhere, Epstein was also a major helping hand
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Speaker 1: in building up Victoria's Secret's model town in New Albany, Ohio,
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Speaker 1: in the 1990s. Earlier reports have found that the town
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Speaker 1: was near L Brand's headquarters in Columbus, Ohio, but it's
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Speaker 1: all a coincidence. All of this that we talk about
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Speaker 1: every day, all of this stuff, just chalk it up
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Speaker 1: as a coincidence. I would never have guessed that a
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Speaker 1: person I employed more than a decade ago could have
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Speaker 1: caused so much pain to so many people. Wexner wrote
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Speaker 1: in his Tuesday letter, my heart goes out to each
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Speaker 1: and every person who has been hurt. Yep, you've done
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Speaker 1: so much for them in the aftermath, right? Les Wexner,
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Speaker 1: the man of bazillions of dollars, what have you done
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Speaker 1: in the aftermath? You've done nothing, all right? You've had
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Speaker 1: your mouth sewn shut, basically. Been forced out of your companies.
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Speaker 1: And you're lucky, honestly, that you're not under criminal investigation.
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Speaker 1: So it's no wonder that Les Wexner has kept his
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Speaker 1: mouth shut and is hiding in the shadows like the
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Speaker 1: coward he is. Because it's my opinion that he was
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Speaker 1: a very, very important part of what Epstein had going on.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not the day-to-day operations, but certainly when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the financials and when it comes to helping Epstein
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